TsNIITOCHMASH showed the PSS-2 silent pistol

The PSS-2 special forces pistol, which has a minimum noise level, was first presented to the general public during the Army-2020 international military-technical forum. This was stated by a representative of the developer of the TsNIITOCHMASH pistol.

As the representative of the enterprise explained, the PSS-2 pistol was developed on the basis of the PSS-1 pistol, which was put into service in 1984, and differs from the base model by the bolt carrier and the firing mechanism. The pistol uses a special silent cartridge SP-16 with a cut-off of powder gases inside the 7.62x43mm case, which was put into service in 2011. This cartridge has an increased penetrating effect, allowing to penetrate body armor of the second protection class at a distance of up to 25 meters.

The PSS-2 differs from the PSS-1 pistol, which was put into service in 1984, in the bolt carrier and the firing mechanism, in which elements of the modernized Serdyukov SR.1M self-loading pistol are used.

- TASS quotes the words of a TsNIITOCHMASH specialist.

The design of the PSS-2 silent pistol is based on a free breech automatics. The trigger mechanism is self-cocking, trigger-type, made on the basis of the USM design of the 9-mm SR-1M pistol. There are no manually controlled flag fuses in the design of the PSS-2 pistol. Safety in handling weapons provide an automatic grip safety and an automatic safety catch on the trigger.

On the frame there is a Picatinny rail for attaching accessories. The pistol uses magazines for 6 cartridges with a single row arrangement.

General performance characteristics: caliber - 7.62x43 cartridge SP-16, weapon length - 195 mm, weight without cartridges - 1000 grams, magazine capacity - 6 cartridges, effective firing range - 50 meters.

The pistol, along with the cartridge, was adopted by the FSB of the Russian Federation in 2011 and is mass-produced.

Comments

[Titsen]

Adopted 9 years ago ...

And the weight is quite heavy ...

But handsome!

[uav80]

It's just that the author of the article is bored with idleness and at least decided to write something, and then he came across a PSS-2, well, at least not an AK-12 ...

[Dim61]

So the cartridge is not small 7,62x43.

[aszzz888]

Titsen (IG Titsen)
Today, 07: 28
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Adopted 9 years ago ...

And the weight is quite heavy ...

But handsome!

So yes, the weight is serious. All the same, a whole killo!

[newcomer]

Well, you can give a kumpal, a kilogram ... And if honestly, I think the weapon is for the secret and noiseless shooting of the Chekists, which was shown only now.

[cost]

Silent pistol PSS-2

[Same lech]

Basayev bragged about it ... I was shocked when I saw it.
https://rg.ru/2007/08/25/basaev.html

[cost]

Thank you, Alexey for the link. Very interesting stuff.

[venik]

Quote: Titsen

But handsome!

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Compared to "Vul" (PSS-1)

- that's just a handsome man!
And the sighting range is TWICE more (50 m versus 25 m)! Like PM!
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Quote: Titsen

And the weight is quite heavy ...

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So it seems and not really! A "Makarych" with a "Glushak" (PB) - 200 grams more, and in terms of dimensions - and even more - a "pipe"!
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Quote: Titsen

Adopted 9 years ago ...

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Well, "spetsura" is in no hurry to "shine" its weapon !!! The stump is clear !!! Well at least they showed it now, after 9 years!

[PSih2097]

Quote: venik

Like PM!

PM is actually a Militia Pistol ... Of all that is, the very thing is GSh, in the sense of GSh-18, and not GSh 1/2 x23 or 6 x23 ...

[snake]

Quote: Titsen

But handsome!

As if from a solid blank on a lathe. Judging by the weight - it was so. Only six rounds - and such a fool per kilogram. Not a single Glock lay nearby. Our nanorobots are the largest nanorobots in the world!

[Piramidon]

Quote: serpent

Only six rounds - and such a fool per kilogram

And the fact that there are more cartridges than the AK do not take into account?

[snake]

Quote: Piramidon

And the fact that there are more cartridges than the AK do not take into account?

Anyway, in the 21st century more plastic and less cast iron are needed. This is not a Desert Eagle for show-off, but a pistol for special operations. The same Glock 21 for 13 rounds .45АСР (also a decent cartridge) - 745 grams in total.

[Simargl]

Quote: serpent

The same Glock 21 for 13 rounds .45АСР (also a decent cartridge) - 745 grams in total.

Fine. Now it remains to find a Glock model for a similar 7,62x43 cartridge and weigh it.

[sgapich]

Quote: serpent

... The same Glock 21 for 13 rounds .45АСР (also a decent cartridge) - 745 grams in total ...

For some reason, the official website of Glock GmbH indicates different numbers.

[snake]

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock

[sgapich]

Is Wikipedia a more reliable source than the manufacturer's official website?

[snake]

https://eu.glock.com/en/products/pistols/g21-gen4

[sgapich]

The weight no shop - yes, indeed 745 grams. But what's the point in a gun no shop? Therefore, since the article gives the weight of a pistol with an empty magazine, then for Glock it is necessary to indicate a similar parameter - 830 grams.

[snake]

It's easier anyway.

[aszzz888]

A little more detail on the cartridge - oh

The design of the 7.62x43mm SP-16 cartridge is similar to the 7.62x40mm SP-4 cartridge, but the SP-16 sleeve has a bottle shape with an increased volume and a more powerful powder charge, due to which the bullet speed has increased to 300 m / s. The steel cylindrical bullet of the new SP-16 cartridge is made with a separate leading belt located in its front part, and the nose part has the shape of a chisel.

[uav80]

The main difference between the PSS-2 and the PSS is the SP16 cartridge ...

[Mountain shooter]

Really silent unit. But why is it so heavy? Or was there no “convenience of hidden wearing” task?
Clear. The power of the cartridge has increased, the heavy bullet and the recoil momentum are significant. There are no powder gases, therefore, the compensator will not work. So they increased the weight.

[aszzz888]

Mountain shooter (Eugene)
Today, 07: 53
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Really silent unit. But why is it so heavy? Or was there no “convenience of hidden wearing” task?
Clear. Cartridge power increased, heavy bullet and the recoil momentum is substantial. There are no powder gases, therefore, the compensator will not work. So they increased the weight.

I didn't shoot, but I guess the weight compensates for the recoil of the weapon. At least this law of physics is valid when shooting from heavy weapons.

[beeper]

Quote: aszzz888

Mountain shooter (Eugene)
Today, 07: 53
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Really silent unit. But why is it so heavy? Or was there no “convenience of hidden wearing” task?
Clear. Cartridge power increased, heavy bullet and the recoil momentum is substantial. There are no powder gases, therefore, the compensator will not work. So they increased the weight.

I didn't shoot, but I guess the weight compensates for the recoil of the weapon. At least this law of physics is valid when shooting from heavy weapons.

The PSS-2 automation system remains the same as that of the PSS-locking the barrel by the inertia of the bolt, and the recoil momentum of the new SP16 cartridge is much higher than that of the previous SP4! And the transverse dimensions of the new cartridge have almost doubled!
So the designers had to reluctantly, according to all the laws of physics, to increase the dimensions of the pistol, the diameter and mass of the bolt, as well as the mass of the movable chamber.
I see in the photo that, for reliable operation and the possibility of a manual "manual", the designers even added long guide "wings" with notches under the fingers to the chamber ?!
This makes me think that, at last, the creators of the PSS-2 were, probably, there is also a mode of silent single shooting, followed by a quiet manual reloading after a shot, without the indispensable loud clang of the steel bolt and the operation of parts in self-loading mode (at low noise at night, at normal firing distances, which nullifies all the "noiselessness"!)
Although, for "spy" tasks the PSS-2 has become too big and heavy.
With the transverse dimensions of the new cartridge, it is clear why, with its unchanged length (and, accordingly, the unchanged length of the pistol barrel) - the "improved model" of the pistol significantly exceeded the original length of its prototype ??!
So why then "fence the garden" on the old scheme of automation, if it is much simpler, cheaper in production, more reliable and more compact it would have turned out with automation based on a short stroke of the barrel (on its variations of this scheme with axial movement of the barrel!) ?!
About the "fashionable" Picatinny rail is, for example, for 100% unmasking flashlight and laser control center for purely "secretive in application" military (not commercial, or is it, nevertheless, some commercial version of the "armor-piercing" pistol "for export" -American and other policemen will allow this ???, but, "hanging noodles" on the parquet generals, made by the factory workers at the expense of the defense budget ?? !) a silent pistol with a magazine for only 6 pieces of expensive (and not available to "civilian" buyers) special cartridges - it's not funny, but sad!
About the awkward and unreliable "automatic fuses of the" clumsy Serdyukovsky "conditionally self-cocking (possible only with the preliminary setting of the trigger to an intermediate" safety platoon ")" pistol trigger, I don't even want to speak.
It was not destiny to use the old, Makarov, reliable trigger (the PM has already been discontinued and the competence has been lost?) ??!
And the task to design and bring to mind a reliably functioning full-fledged self-cocking USM with a double-sided flag non-automatic safety device was not set or there was not enough competence ?!
The final impression of the current large-sized PSS-2, I was bewildered, because even a 6-round revolver chambered for SP16 cartridges would have turned out to be much more compact, quieter, lighter and more reliable, and, I am sure, much cheaper and easier to manufacture, debug, purchase and operation, including everyday (??? ) wear and maintainability!
Honestly, whoever read it, do not hesitate to "like" as a sign of agreement or disagreement with the expressed opinion, I have a positive attitude to both the pluses and the minuses, after all, this is evidence that the reader himself became thoughtful and the seeds of "considerations" sown by me fell on a fertile soil and, at a certain moment, crystallize-germinate!

[PSih2097]

Quote: pishchak

Although, for "spy" tasks the PSS-2 has become too big and heavy.

for "espionage tasks" there is a bunch of western guns no worse than "Wool 2", especially since no one takes home guns for the task ...

[beeper]

Quote: PSih2097

Quote: pishchak

Although, for "spy" tasks the PSS-2 has become too big and heavy.

for "espionage tasks" there is a bunch of western guns no worse than "Wool 2", especially since no one takes home guns for the task ...

I meant that for those rare secluded tasks that the PSS performed, his PSS-2 replacer was too large and massive - it was clearly burdensome to wear.
And so yes, silent special pistols, double-shot "deringers" for similar special ammunition, such as "Thunderstorms" and others, for espionage tasks (1-2 shots maximum) are better suited in all respects! And at the same time, spent cartridges are not scattered.

[Note]

And about the spent cartridges remaining in place is hardly worth worrying about, since the bullets characteristic of this ammunition remain a sufficient marker to determine the type of weapon or cartridge.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Note

And about the spent cartridges remaining in place is hardly worth worrying about, since the bullets characteristic of this ammunition remain a sufficient marker to determine the type of weapon or cartridge.

After the collapse of the USSR, so many barrels left from the same Ukraine (including GBshnyhs with BC in an incomparable quantity), so what I wrote about below has the right to life 3-4 cars with arrows with AC / BCC / CP- 3M / VSK, but better still with KSV (and any and any manufacturer) and from a kilometer ...

[Bad_gr]

Quote: pishchak

without the indispensable loud clang of the steel shutter and the operation of parts in self-loading mode (at low noise at night, at normal firing distances, nullifying all the "noiselessness"!).

A special Stechkin revolver OTs-38, no breech clang, and you take all the spent cartridges with you.
Weight, kg 0,82 (without laser control center), 0,88 (with laser control center) [1]

[beeper]

This is about him I mentioned yesterday here in the thread. I consider the most optimal silent personal weapon chambered for SP4!
It's a pity, the OTs38 revolver is the last design work of Igor Yakovlevich Stechkin, he knew a lot about this!

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Bad_gr

Stechkin special revolver OTs-38

I wonder if they are planning a version of this revolver chambered for SP16?

[Aag]

"I didn't shoot, but I guess the weight compensates for the recoil of the weapon. At least this law of physics applies when firing a heavy weapon."
Only not "weight", but mass ...
And it does not compensate, but reduces ...
And not only recoil, but also toss (which is more important for short-barrels).
This "law of physics" (the law of conservation of momentum), however, like all the others, is valid when firing from ANY small arms, not just "heavy" ones.
Sorry, dull mood ...

[cost]

The design of the PSS-2 silent pistol, based on a free-breech automatics, differs only slightly from the PSS pistol. The PSS-2 firing mechanism is self-cocking, trigger type, made on the basis of the USM design of the 9-mm SR-1M pistol. There are no manually operated flag fuses in the design of the PSS-2 pistol. Safety in handling the weapon is ensured by an automatic handle safety lock and an automatic safety lock on the trigger.

[Keldysh Mstislav]

This is a conditionally silent weapon. Nobody canceled the shutter clutch. Quite a loud sound of collision of glands.

[Captain45]

Here's a hell of a silent pistol, which in fact is used at a distance of no more than 7-12 meters Picatinny rail. Sight, LTSU, hang a flashlight? And then the special will miss? The pistol itself is designed for covert, inconspicuous use, and then suddenly on-those - the lantern shines from under the barrel, so that it would be easier to remove the sentry at night? We have lately, just to add something more modern, and whether it is necessary or not, nobody cares. Either "Calibers" are shoved into everything that can and cannot be shoved, then the Picatinny rail is molded to everything that shoots.

[fa2998]

You understand a lot! There is suspended a mini special grenade launcher throwing poisoned arrows.

[sen]

LTSU in the infrared range paired with a night vision device.

[Petrik66]

Probably for the bayonet mount. That would be sure if he missed.

[Alexfly]

When will it be on sale?

[Uncle lee]

Quote: AlexFly

on sale?

When all the gangsters arm themselves, only then ...

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Uncle Lee

Quote: AlexFly

on sale?

When all the gangsters arm themselves, only then ...

It is necessary to adopt a law according to which only ordinary citizens are allowed to arm themselves, and the bandits are prohibited.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Bad_gr

and ban the bandits.

And one, like law-abiding citizens, went to hand over their bagels!

[PSih2097]

Quote: AlexFly

When will it be on sale?

when the State Duma together with the president and the government say - "I'm tired, I'm leaving" ...

[Mikhail3]

Quiet, but with a flashlight! Of course, the light in complete darkness does not reveal the arrow at all. Of course, the Picatinny bar, which is nowadays everywhere, is an urgently needed thing. For example, attach a grenade launcher ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Mikhail3

For example, attach a grenade launcher ...

Night sight. And no flashlight needed.

[Mikhail3]

Aim. Night. For weapons with a barrel about ten centimeters long. It is also necessary to equip it with a support and tracks for ease of movement. And wings! Ugh...

[Note]

The pistol has certainly become more comfortable, the shape is more ergonomic, the hold is more stable, and the shooting accuracy has increased. Increased weight, payment for improvements. As for the strap, in principle, it does not interfere too much, it can in some cases be useful, for example, when installing the front. With it, guidance from positions awkward for shooting is faster. That, in principle, for this sample is one of the main tasks. And of course the ingenious ammunition scheme, which has undergone some changes for the better for this type of weapon. I think this special sample is successful.

[Note]

And a little more about the specifics of its use (application). As an example, an operative in civilian clothes carries this pistol located in a flat bag, such as a purse, hanging on the shoulder. He enters a room in which one or several targets are located, the hand is already inside the bag with the girth of the weapon, the cartridge is in the chamber, the face is turned on. In this situation, there is no need for an additional flag fuse. As well as with many other specific use cases.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Note

enters a room in which one or several targets are located, the hand is already inside the bag with the girth of the weapon, the cartridge is in the chamber, the face is turned on.

As for me, it's easier to put everyone in several barrels from the VSS / AC / CP-3M from the car.

[Alexfly]

Gosh, sorry for the familiarity, of course, but what have you already managed to "poyuzat" this successful subject of communication of the employee of the invisible front?

[Note]

As for the use of sp-4 or sp-16 cartridges in revolver-type weapons, there are several design features of this ammunition that exclude this possibility. Even if the drum chamber is made in the form of a cone for the cartridge stop and additional fixation of the piston after the bullet leaves the sleeve, by wedging it in the sleeve with an emphasis on the chamber cone and without partial exit from it, then the problem of reloading this drum remains, since even knocking out with a ramrod does not guarantee the removal of the spent cartridge case from the chamber due to its deformation both from the piston and from the trapped powder gases.

[Aag]

Quote: Note

As for the use of sp-4 or sp-16 cartridges in revolver-type weapons, there are several design features of this ammunition that exclude this possibility. Even if the drum chamber is made in the form of a cone for the cartridge stop and additional fixation of the piston after the bullet leaves the sleeve, by wedging it in the sleeve with an emphasis on the chamber cone and without partial exit from it, then the problem of reloading this drum remains, since even knocking out with a ramrod does not guarantee the removal of the spent cartridge case from the chamber due to its deformation both from the piston and from the trapped powder gases.

A plus.
But, the deformation from the piston can probably be reduced (removed) by changing the taper angle inside the liner, up to a straight, ledge? .. But this is a different BP ...

[beeper]

This "wedging" feature of the SP4 spent ammunition did not prevent us from making a reliably working self-loading pistol PSS (a design feature is a free shutter coupled with a movable barrel chamber) and a special revolver (I am too lazy to look for the designation, "Gnome" seems to have been developed by the notorious Igor Yakovlevich Stechkin opposite the lower chamber of the drum, like the "Rhino").
In addition, I do not know how in SP16 (the capsule sleeve is already mounted from the inside and the cone of the pallet looks more solid, then it adjoins closer to the muzzle narrowing of the sleeve, since the maximum pressure developed is much higher), but in SP4 there is no complete sealing of heated powder gases - they podravlivayutsya, gradually come out of the spent cartridge case to the outside.
In the drum, the chamber-chambers of the silent revolver are cut in the shape of the sleeve so that there is an emphasis for the "shoulders" in its muzzle narrowing, and from the side of the bottom is the breech (either movable, as in the Nagant 1895 system, or fixed, integrally with the frame, as in most revolvers) the revolver supports the sleeve.
Shot casings, after cooling, normally knock out of the drum - the walls of the SP4 casings are quite thick and retain their diameter well!
A revolver is a revolver, which, due to a relatively light closed frame, can withstand a lot of pressure from the most powerful cartridges, and a self-loading pistol for an equally powerful cartridge (and with the same number of cartridges in the store) is much heavier than a revolver!
6 rounds in the drum is enough for special tasks, as well as 6 rounds in a pistol.
It was only in 1980, in pre-Olympic Moscow, when stray dogs were shot from the PSS, maybe you had to shoot with a change of store ?!

[Note]

Revolver oc 38. Chambered for cn 4, it is a rather complex design, somewhat inconvenient in operation. And most importantly, even with the cn 4 cartridge, which does not have the taper of the walls, it has the same irreparable flaw associated with the extraction of spent cartridges. Although, of course, this model of weapon has a number of excellent design solutions. As I. Ya. Stechkin, and other developers of his design bureau.

[Irina-Kyge]

Handsome! But what about the accuracy?

[Disant]

a sleek handsome pss-1, which can be taken out even from his pants, even from any pouch without problems, against the ruff pss-2:
- weight 700g versus 1000g. difference in weight - you can take with you an additional pack of cartridges for the 5.45mm machine gun
- length 17cm versus 19.5cm
- bullet speed 200m / s versus 300 m / s. payback for increased penetration and power will be the increased time before the second aimed shot

[certero]

Quote: PSih2097

PM is actually a Police Pistol ...

You just came up with a new word for decryption. And we thought it was a Makarov pistol