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"There is no common European home": Belarus will face the fate of Ukraine and Georgia

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"There is no common European home": Belarus will face the fate of Ukraine and Georgia

The massive protests that began in Belarus against the results of the past presidential elections made Western countries think. Against the backdrop of a new conflict between the West and Russia, Europe can seize the opportunity and support the opposition, at the same time Russia will oppose. Harald Neuber writes about this for the German edition of Heise.


The author recalls that the West has already supported two color revolutions in Ukraine and Georgia, inviting them to the "common European home". What awaits Belarus in the event of a regime change and the arrival of European values.

The collective West supported the Maidan in Ukraine and the Ukrainians entered the European home, but in which room did they live? The author emphasizes that six years after the events in Kiev, Ukraine remains the poorest and most corrupt country in Europe, which also has an ongoing military conflict in the east of the country.

Ukraine has never been able to move closer to the EU either economically or politically, having lost economic ties with Russia.

Ukraine now has only one export "commodity": labor for the EU. In addition, many Ukrainian women become surrogate mothers for childless couples in the West. (...) According to UNICEF forecasts, poverty there may soon exceed 50 percent

- notes Neuber.

The same can be said for Georgia, the second country to "turn west." The country was unable to achieve rapid growth in prosperity and economic recovery. Today the poverty rate is still about 14%, and about 19% of the population (especially in rural areas) live in extreme poverty. Georgia's economy is largely based on tourism, and recent events related to the coronavirus have shown how vulnerable it is.

In Europe, they have not been able to build a "common European home", which Mikhail Gorbachev discussed in the Council of Europe back in 1989, the author sums up. However, he adds, despite the fact that Belarus also risks falling victim to a new Cold War between Russia and NATO countries, it has a chance for a common European perspective.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 23 August 2020 10: 50
    12
    Alas, in this "common European house" everything is already occupied, the Belarusians will not even be allowed to the "toilet", everything there is already occupied by Poles and Ukrainians, but there are still places on the "personal plot" ...
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 23 August 2020 10: 55
      +4
      The collective West supported the Maidan in Ukraine and the Ukrainians entered the European home, but in which room did they live?

      What room could it be? An ordinary latrine! And Belarus also has a corner there. The whole question is whether the Belarusian people want to be a sewer in the West? yes
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 23 August 2020 11: 52
        -2
        Quote: SRC P-15
        The whole question is whether the Belarusian people want to be a sewer in the West? yes
        Here I disagree with you!

        Of course, they cannot cope on their own, but we will help. wink
        1. snake
          snake 23 August 2020 15: 43
          +1
          Vyacheslav, good day! And that Pasha the Master is not visible? For once he had a chance to write something sensible in the commentary. I would like to hear his vision of the events in Belarus. Isn't he from the same place? So to speak firsthand.
      2. Lelek
        Lelek 23 August 2020 17: 26
        -2
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        The whole question is whether the Belarusian people want to be a sewer in the West?

        hi , Alexander.
        I cite the results of the last survey of the population in the Republic of Belarus in relation to integration with the Russian Federation (draw your own conclusion):
        1. Campanella
          Campanella 24 August 2020 12: 41
          +1
          Almost 75 percent of the population lives in illusion.
          It is not clear what they mean by independence? Nonsense!
          All life is tied to addictions, and here damn independence!
          First the wording, and then the conclusions.
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 23 August 2020 11: 00
      12
      Quote: svp67
      Alas, in this "common European house" everything is already occupied, the Belarusians will not even be allowed to the "toilet", everything there is already occupied by Poles and Ukrainians, but there are still places on the "personal plot" ...

      No one in Europe cares about the "common European home". They just need to buy up the Belarusian assets at a cheaper price, as was the case with Georgia and Ukraine. The imperialists, however.
      1. Deck
        Deck 23 August 2020 11: 12
        -25 qualifying.
        They just need to buy up Belarusian assets at a cheaper price


        Horrible! They may not go to the Russian oligarchs! Rooting for ours?
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 23 August 2020 11: 18
          -3
          Quote: Deck
          Rooting for ours?

          Who are you rooting for? For a toad or a viper? Not an easy choice, is it?
        2. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 23 August 2020 11: 29
          +8
          Quote: Deck
          They just need to buy up Belarusian assets at a cheaper price


          Horrible! They may not go to the Russian oligarchs! Rooting for ours?

          Who is yours?
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 23 August 2020 11: 52
            -1
            Quote: Lara Croft

            Who is yours?

            Yes leash byuy blurt out
            I'm surprised there are no guys Belarusians
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 23 August 2020 11: 56
              -2
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Quote: Lara Croft

              Who is yours?

              Yes leash byuy blurt out
              I'm surprised there are no guys Belarusians

              They think with horror and hope that the liberoids in their country will not win ...
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 23 August 2020 12: 13
                -5
                Quote: Lara Croft
                Quote: Lipchanin
                Quote: Lara Croft

                Who is yours?

                Yes leash byuy blurt out
                I'm surprised there are no guys Belarusians

                They think with horror and hope that the liberoids in their country will not win ...

                And you were zamieusali)))))
                1. BMP-2
                  BMP-2 23 August 2020 13: 23
                  +2
                  Well, they probably minus because Muraev is also "our" :))
            2. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 23 August 2020 17: 54
              -1
              Quote: Lipchanin
              I'm surprised there are no guys Belarusians

              They are tired of listening to their "smart guy", and they also need to listen to the local people, read what heresy they write here. For many, the genes of serfdom, wordless submission to the master did not dissipate.
              1. Motorist
                Motorist 23 August 2020 23: 31
                -2
                Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                Many still have serfdom genes

                Do you (in the sense - you and your associates) have tags and theses? I see ... Do not forget to put the hashtag:
                # serfdom
          2. Arlen
            Arlen 23 August 2020 11: 58
            11
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Quote: Deck
            They just need to buy up Belarusian assets at a cheaper price


            Horrible! They may not go to the Russian oligarchs! Rooting for ours?

            Who is yours?

            They are for those who are against the Slavs, who are for the "European master".
            1. Deck
              Deck 23 August 2020 21: 30
              -2
              For the Slavs - it's cool! And who are your friends? Poles, Czechs, Croats, Bosnians, Macedonians, Slovenes, Montenegrins?
          3. Deck
            Deck 23 August 2020 12: 03
            -7
            Ours are the native Russian oligarchs, the beauty and pride of the country, order bearers and friends of the president! Rotenbergs, Kovalchuk, Michelson, Abramovich. Who are yours?
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 23 August 2020 12: 18
              -4
              Quote: Deck
              Rotenbergs,

              Which except to beat the keyboard. YOU BUILD A BRIDGE IN CRIMEA ?????? Or divvan warmed ????
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 23 August 2020 13: 02
                12
                Quote: Lipchanin
                Which except to beat the keyboard. YOU BUILD A BRIDGE IN CRIMEA ?????? Or divvan warmed ????


                Vanya (in the coachman armory). Dad! who built this road?
                Dad (in a coat on a red lining). Count Peter Andreevich Kleinmichel, darling!
                Conversation in the car
                This is the epigraph to the work of N.A. Nekrasov "Railway". You haven't taken it in school yet? Read informatively.
            2. Arthur73
              Arthur73 23 August 2020 14: 31
              -5
              Yours, DEK, these are representatives of the seven-bankers of the ebn era, but the bulk end companies! In a word, pro-Western "olways"!
        3. Arlen
          Arlen 23 August 2020 11: 55
          22
          Quote: Deck
          Rooting for ours?

          Do you support the "Europeans"? Do you want the Belarusian people to have lords? We are not sick, we are worried about our brotherly people.
          1. Deck
            Deck 23 August 2020 12: 00
            -12 qualifying.
            Do you want the Belarusian people to have lords?


            Are they the same as in Russia? Don't like our country?
            1. Arlen
              Arlen 23 August 2020 12: 04
              19
              Quote: Deck
              Are they the same as in Russia?

              I have no pan and never will. You already have? And who do you belong to?
              Quote: Deck
              Don't like our country?

              Judging by your commentary, you simply will not see Russia. Or do you say "our country" mean the EU? Then yes, I do not just hate the EU, I despise the EU.
          2. Dr. Frankenstucker
            Dr. Frankenstucker 23 August 2020 12: 27
            -5
            ... we are worried about our brotherly people.

            It is, of course, so. It's just that, as well-known events have shown, there is nothing more fickle than the status of a 'brotherly people'.
          3. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 23 August 2020 12: 51
            +9
            Quote: Arlen
            Do you support the "Europeans"? Do you want the Belarusian people to have lords? We are not sick, we are worried about our brotherly people.

            Hello Kamrad. I am sincerely convinced that Lukashenko is much better for Russia and Belarus than Tikhanovskaya, Babariko and "others like them." As for the lords, what difference does it make if they are their own, or are they newcomers? How does our Potanin, for example, differ from some Henry Phips? Only the amount of money, and they shit the same way, if there is such an opportunity. Who will force our home-grown Potanin to eliminate all the consequences of the ecological catastrophe he caused?
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 23 August 2020 16: 04
              -2
              You are so convinced, but the Belarusians are convinced of the opposite. And their choice must be respected, and not imposed on their choice. I have long been surprised that many people in Russia know better than anyone what rulers should rule in neighboring countries.
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 23 August 2020 16: 41
                +7
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                You are so convinced, but the Belarusians are convinced of the opposite.

                Are you speaking on behalf of the whole of Belarus?
              2. The comment was deleted.
          4. Arthur73
            Arthur73 23 August 2020 14: 34
            -2
            Liberators always need a master, a master. Holop thinking and an eternal enthusiastic attitude towards the masters from the West. Cierz Evropa :)))
        4. sleeve
          sleeve 23 August 2020 12: 36
          +4
          Do the oligarchs have a homeland?
        5. vavilon
          vavilon 23 August 2020 13: 09
          +2
          Assets should not go to anyone, they should belong to Belarus
        6. Pavel57
          Pavel57 23 August 2020 19: 52
          0
          Capitalism is everywhere, the socialist island will not survive for long. The question is where he will turn. If in the direction of Russia, then there is a chance to preserve the population and agriculture.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 23 August 2020 20: 55
            +8
            Quote: Pavel57
            Capitalism is everywhere, the socialist island will not survive for long. The question is where he will turn. If in the direction of Russia, then there is a chance to preserve the population and agriculture.

            Calling Belarus a "socialist island" is somehow wrong, it is not socialism at all.
        7. Campanella
          Campanella 24 August 2020 12: 42
          0
          Can you see the western fall? Do you think they are more civilized?)))
      2. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 23 August 2020 11: 19
        +7
        Belarus will face the fate of Ukraine and Georgia
        I don't know exactly about Ukraine, but I can tell you about Georgian poverty.
        1. Lumpen
          Lumpen 23 August 2020 11: 21
          -7
          Cut the truth to the womb!
      3. VyacheSeymour
        VyacheSeymour 23 August 2020 15: 29
        -2
        No one in Europe cares about the "common European home". They just need to buy up the Belarusian assets at a cheaper price, as was the case with Georgia and Ukraine.

        Sorry, but I dare to ask you modestly which assets
        imperialists managed to buy cheaper in Ukraine and Georgia?
        Interesting, honestly.
      4. snake
        snake 23 August 2020 16: 01
        +2
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        No one in Europe cares about the "common European home".

        In Europe in general - Sodom and Gomorrah. Wild capitalism, human exploitation and terrible gay pride parades. But who would explain to me why the hell are all our artists, singers, politicians and propagandists, as soon as there is an opportunity to dump there themselves or shake off their children there, they do so without hesitation, not wanting to associate their future with a highly spiritual and superpowerful Russia? How does this "decaying" Europe interrupt all the advantages of a "prosperous" Russia?
        1. vladimirvn
          vladimirvn 23 August 2020 18: 42
          0
          And this lousy intelligentsia dumps there, only when they are here on the dough. Then yes, there are more opportunities to spend them beautifully, indeed.
          1. snake
            snake 23 August 2020 19: 40
            +1
            Quote: vladimirvn
            there are more opportunities to spend them beautifully, indeed.

            For example? What is there that we don't have? Only confidence in the future. And so is nature and architecture - any whim for your money.
        2. Campanella
          Campanella 24 August 2020 12: 47
          0
          No merit. This is a property of the human essence, ambition is the desire to rise above the gray people, to show their superiority. Why do these people like pretentious things? Because they give them public weight and create a sense of dominance.
          And what about all the blessings of civilization, if you can't shake in front of your friend the possession of something from this set?
      5. Andryukha G
        Andryukha G 23 August 2020 17: 08
        +3
        they cannot buy, but ruin and raze all industrial enterprises (more than half of which work for the Russian defense industry). only frostbitten protesters will not understand this, and the majority does not want to understand it (demanding ephemeral freedom and happiness), not thinking that after this "holiday of freedom" many Belarusians will be left without work and means of subsistence. by the way, infant mortality in Belarus is the lowest not only in Europe but also in the world (well, this is a lyrical digression)
    3. dgonni
      dgonni 23 August 2020 11: 25
      -8
      If you look at the statistics on the number of Belarusians working in Europe. Then you will be very surprised. And as a percentage (in relation to the population of the country), then Ukraine may be far from the first places!
      And since life determines consciousness, the tilt of Belarus towards the EU will only increase. Especially considering the departure of the main electorate but father and the growth of a new generation that can compare the quality and standard of living both in the east and in the west.
      1. svp67
        svp67 23 August 2020 11: 39
        10
        Quote: dgonni
        If you look at the statistics on the number of Belarusians working in Europe. Then you will be very surprised.

        Well, let's be surprised together ....
        As of the end of 2017, the number of labor migrants from Belarus in the EU was about 100 thousand people. These are those who left for the EU countries in order to earn money and with a high degree of probability will return to Belarus, excluding those who changed their citizenship or permanent residence to European.
        Is it a lot or a little? This slightly more than 1% of the total number of Belarusians and 1,8% of the working-age population. For comparison, in Moldova the number of such migrant workers is, according to researchers, 300 thousand people (8,5% of the total population and 13% of all able-bodied people), And in Ukraine - 1 million 400 thousand people (3,3% and 5,4%, respectively).

        I don’t think that something has changed much by the end of 2019.
        1. dgonni
          dgonni 23 August 2020 11: 56
          -9
          This is the statistics for Belarus! It was similar in Ukraine before the introduction of visa-free travel. Although the real figures there were several times higher.
          And 1.4 million Ukrainians working in Europe are very official statistics. There are many more seasonists who ride without a visa. Belarusians travel mostly illegally. Then after a year or two, having acquired connections and having determined, they make normal documents. These are the ones who are displayed in this official statistics.
          1. svp67
            svp67 23 August 2020 12: 01
            +6
            Quote: dgonni
            And 1.4 million Ukrainians working in Europe are very official statistics.

            Yes, it is official and it is. But there is one big difference in accounting for able-bodied citizens in Ukraine and in Belarus, in the latter, everything is strict with this and they know their losses for sure
            1. dgonni
              dgonni 23 August 2020 12: 24
              -9
              Illusion! To understand, you just need to come to the Brest or Grodno region and talk to people. Although the east of Belarus is also catching up. A type of statistics and know everything? The same rake as in Ukraine until 2014.
      2. Victorio
        Victorio 23 August 2020 11: 48
        +4
        Quote: dgonni
        And since life determines consciousness, the tilt of Belarus towards the EU will only increase.

        ===
        life everywhere and firmly already determines consciousness, that's why the Young Europeans have long been working in old Europe, but there are still thirsty and destitute people from Africa and the Middle East, who also need to be improved somehow, i.e. there should be no problem with labor. and therefore the purpose of all these perturbations with Georgia, with Ukraine and with Belarus is to interfere and interfere with the Russian Federation. however, the best experience is always on our own bumps, so Belarus will have a hard time, unfortunately.
      3. Campanella
        Campanella 24 August 2020 12: 50
        -1
        What kind of independence can we talk about in such a scenario? She simply will not be from the word ...
    4. Arlen
      Arlen 23 August 2020 11: 52
      15
      Quote: svp67
      everything there is already occupied by Poles and Ukrainians, but there are still places on the "personal plot" ...

      I think that the majority of Belarusians do not want to be part of the "common European home" where the fate of a servant awaits them. And the minority may even now leave for Europe to work on the "personal plot".
      1. svp67
        svp67 23 August 2020 11: 55
        +2
        Quote: Arlen
        And the minority may even now leave for Europe to work on the "personal plot".

        And they are leaving. It was found that:
        Most often these are relatively young people up to 35 years old, employed mainly in the service sector, construction, households, less often - highly qualified specialists (information technology, engineering, etc.).
      2. dgonni
        dgonni 23 August 2020 12: 09
        -7
        Who told you that? Soloviev? We just open net and look towards Doyches about the recognition of diplomas! Yes, there you need to finish some disciplines and know the language. But in terms of acceptance, no questions asked! So doctors and engineers, if there is a desire, calmly get a job there in their specialty. By the way, Belarusian universities are quoted very well.
        So the young growth simply compares the prospects in their homeland and there in the foreign country. And those who do not want to run away but after seeing and comparing are the engine that pounds Belarus. And the further the more such people will be. So my father's prospects are sad.
        The problem is that Russia has not created a coherent alternative that could be a counterbalance. Therefore, no options.
        1. Arlen
          Arlen 23 August 2020 12: 14
          16
          Quote: dgonni
          Just open nat watch

          Young man, there is a lot of things on the Internet, and not all is true what is shown and written in it. I am amazed ... It turns out there are still people who believe in a "beautiful" life in the West and in their emigrants' opportunities for self-realization ...
          1. dgonni
            dgonni 23 August 2020 12: 36
            -5
            Thank you for the young;). And for employment from the experience of friends and former colleagues. Nine problems. Those who have the desire and persistence for a couple of years annoy and get a job in their specialty, becoming decent burghers. At the same time, thinking about the features and quality of cooking sausages for beer in different lands of Germany.
            The question is that our education system is structured differently than in Europe. They study there themselves and in fact all their lives, but we got a diploma and that's all.
            P.S. in terms of life and work, Germany is a good option, but psychologically difficult for our mentality. Under order so to speak.
            Ideal Norway Finns and Swedes. But there it is tough on the documents and overlooking the work. Spain is a bit worse in terms of the level of earnings. But it is psychologically very comfortable there.
            Italy is a mess like ours.
            20 years ago, our gangsters still rode our de Niva with our numbers, sending everyone to. Shcha settled down, drink Chianti and grappa and remember the past. But those who did not sit down and not in the sea with a pebble around their necks. A mess in general.
            1. Liam
              Liam 23 August 2020 12: 39
              +2
              Quote: dgonni
              Italy is a mess like ours.
              20 years ago, our gangsters still rode our de Niva with our numbers, sending everyone to. Shcha settled down, drink Chianti and grappa and remember the past. But those who did not sit down and not in the sea with a pebble around their necks. A mess in general.

              How interesting ... tell us more about this mess
              1. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 23 August 2020 18: 01
                +5
                People, you would be worried about Russia, and you about the neighbors. We ourselves have what's going on - "A study conducted in October 2019 by the Levada Center showed that 53% of people aged 18 to 24 want to leave the country."
                The number of highly qualified specialists emigrating from Russia increased from 20 thousand in 2013 to 44 thousand in 2016. Nikolai Dolgushkin, Chief Scientific Secretary of the Presidium of the Russian Academy of Sciences, told about this at the general meeting of the Russian Academy of Sciences, RBC reports. That is, in just three years, the flow of brains out of the country has become twice as powerful.
                Here are the talkers, worried about the Belarusians when they flee from Russia to the West, as if from leprosy.
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 23 August 2020 13: 07
          +4
          Quote: dgonni
          And here are those who does not want to leave but seeing and comparing and are the engine that pounds Belarus.

          And leave the "young growth" have-and it's 100%.

          For there will be no work, no euro wages there after the victory of opps, even when the "growth" becomes gray.

          And yes, this "overgrowth", as a rule, is deeply working in the homeland - they are citizens of the world and live well throughout Europe, for this they tear ..

          The victory of the Maidan in Moldova has already taken place like 11 years old: the then victorious Euroweed has already grown old and settled down, but, in its mass .... ABROAD: up to 1 million there (out of 3,5) and, as is clear, basically, these are young people. The remnants of it today are issuing a passport and looking for a place in the same place and run, run !.

          Empty, boarded up depopulated villages (especially in the north) or without youth and children, living only in the capitals, on loans from the EU, the WNB, the EBRD, poor salaries, there are no prospects.
          "Success story", yes ...

          So Belarus has prospects, if it takes into account the path already extended by others.

          PS By the way, the communists-socialists, who lost 11 years ago to the "Europeans", managed to win back in the presidential elections 4 years ago: the "successes" of the "Europeans" are too obvious ...
        3. Campanella
          Campanella 24 August 2020 12: 54
          -1
          That's all bullshit! Those who want to break the father, break Belarus and then they will definitely start looking for happiness on the side.
          Objectively, apart from fatigue, there are no other serious indications for a change of power! Opps have no strategy and tactics either.
          Tell me, what will they do specifically after receiving power, not a marketplace, but a specific plan of transformation?
      3. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 23 August 2020 12: 38
        -2
        ... the majority of Belarusians do not want to be part of the "common European home" where the fate of servants awaits them

        How do you know the preferences of Belarusians?
      4. Kisa
        Kisa 23 August 2020 17: 05
        +3
        if in Samara a ticket cost as much as from Riga to London 20 euros by low-cost without customs barriers, the whole city would have fled the next day to work with all the violent patriots
    5. Thrifty
      Thrifty 23 August 2020 12: 09
      0
      Uk-homeland is in this "common European house" in the hallway, on the rug, the owners do not let them go beyond the toilet, so the Belarusians will not be given a good place there. ...
  2. Invoce
    Invoce 23 August 2020 10: 54
    10
    Europe is a trash heap! For tourists, Europe is architecture, shops, beaches, hotels, vous food, but no one talks about how much they earn in Europe, about the labor market, about the cost and availability of honey. services, housing and communal services, etc.
    Nobody talks about the crime rate in Europe, about the millions of migrants.
    Liberal Belarusians don't appreciate what they have ...
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 23 August 2020 11: 26
      +4
      They fell for a beautiful candy wrapper.
      And what's inside ... hope that the inner content matches the wrapper. Naive, no strength.
    2. dgonni
      dgonni 23 August 2020 12: 54
      +1
      How much do they earn? So I'll tell you.
      Poland, unskilled labor type packing at the plant picking strawberries and apples. From a piece of euros clean. This minus food and lodging. Construction from 1500. Working day 10 hours. If you want to earn more, please. Weekends and nights are paid twice. If really a specialist like a machine operator, a welder starts from the same 1500 euros but for an eight-hour working day. Again, eat to plow 10-12, then 2.2-2.5 is not a fantasy.
      In Germany and the rest of the foreign country, we multiply all this by 1.5. But again, you will not cook or sharpen the Doychev without passing exams and tests.
      Neighing for medicine. The neotlodka is free to milk everyone! Then bish if you are critically ill then you will be rescued. But for treatment, insurance is already needed. Which is not a problem for the worker. The teeth are really expensive. You can't argue here.
      Utilities? Yes, I beg you, however, as well as food and dressing, no more than 5-10% in the family budget. Home loan? Nine problems. After 5-6 years of living in the country, a loan for 20-25 years at a terrible 3%. Since the risks are not a citizen. Citizens at 0.5-1.5%.
      1. Invoce
        Invoce 23 August 2020 16: 56
        -1
        But you don't need to lie! I must say how much is left after only at the end of the month ... Food, housing, transport ... An acquaintance of mine worked in Poland for 1000 Euro ... at the end of the month there were 300 left, for the last 2 months they didn't pay - they threw it .. And more , why pay 1000 Euro, when there are crowds of unemployed migrants from Ukraine, Afghanistan, Syria on the street ... Turkey ... Now they collect strawberries for food. And in order to go to the plant and work "white", then the approach is different. Prove that you deserve to be refugees, in short, complete crap !!!
        1. dgonni
          dgonni 23 August 2020 17: 17
          +1
          What you wrote is just not true! Working hands are sorely lacking. For work for food just neighing like a horse
          Not if your comrade was drinking there wet, what are the questions?
          Almost everyone is drawn in white. With different nuances, of course, but ALL! According to biometrics, one procedure, and if there is a work visa, then a completely different calico. In Ukraine, getting a work visa to the crown was easier than a steamed turnip.
          That is the situation with the Czechs. It is more difficult for the Doychevs by an order of magnitude, but those who have already worked there use suitcases and are waiting for calls and passes to Germany.
      2. Campanella
        Campanella 24 August 2020 12: 57
        -1
        What is the problem? Is the old man holding? Blow and live in joy!
        Why shit at home?
  3. Channels
    Channels 23 August 2020 10: 55
    +4
    Ukraine now has only one export "commodity": labor for the EU. In addition, many Ukrainian women become surrogate mothers for childless couples in the West. (...) According to UNICEF forecasts, poverty there may soon exceed 50 percent.
    Here he is an EXAMPLE for Belarus and Russia! What they want to turn us into Is it really not clear to anyone else what "freedom and democracy" is according to Western patterns ..?
    You need to clean up and hard all this liberda and other mindless rag-tag
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 23 August 2020 18: 53
      0
      Quote: Kanalya
      Ukraine now has only one export "commodity": labor for the EU. In addition, many Ukrainian women become surrogate mothers for childless couples in the West. (...) According to UNICEF forecasts, poverty there may soon exceed 50 percent.
      Here he is an EXAMPLE for Belarus and Russia! What they want to turn us into Is it really not clear to anyone else what "freedom and democracy" is according to Western patterns ..?
      You need to clean up and hard all this liberda and other mindless rag-tag

      As soon as the Eltsin Center is demolished, then I will believe that someone will "clean up" something. In the meantime, we have a liberal president, this is still far away. And, by the way, a non-liberal in the current Russian Federation will never be president. So what are you going to clean up here? laughing
  4. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 23 August 2020 10: 56
    0
    Potatoes will be grown, why do Mazy and MTZ in Europe.
    1. matross
      matross 23 August 2020 11: 02
      +9
      And not exactly about kartocha. Bulgarians have already been banned from exporting bell peppers ... They will cut their woods. All.
    2. My doctor
      My doctor 23 August 2020 11: 53
      +1
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Potatoes will be grown, why do Mazy and MTZ in Europe.

      This is not the main question. main question. Why Mazy and Tractors in Russia? The whole problem is that in Russia they refused from Belarusian goods, the workers of the MZKT were the first to feel this. The same MAZ exists only due to state subsidies and republican orders.
      1. Invoce
        Invoce 23 August 2020 17: 00
        0
        they gave up not MAZs, but chassis for tractors! Nobody in Belarus wanted to give guarantees that the money invested by Russia in the MZKT with 100% probability will become tractors. This is a matter of the State Order and its execution. Consequence - contract failure
        1. My doctor
          My doctor 23 August 2020 19: 40
          0
          Quote: Invoce
          they gave up not MAZs, but chassis for tractors! Nobody in Belarus wanted to give guarantees that the money invested by Russia in the MZKT with 100% probability will become tractors. This is a matter of the State Order and its execution. Consequence - contract failure

          In any case, it is beneficial for Russia to create jobs for itself. And besides, the new industries will pay taxes to the budget of their country. Not to mention import substitution in the military-industrial complex.
          As it was said earlier "with each year of independence of Belarus, Russia is less and less interested in it". And it is natural that economic ties are weakening.
  5. faterdom
    faterdom 23 August 2020 10: 58
    +9
    Even the kennels are occupied in this house (Poland and the Baltic states). And the titular "owners" are crowded by cockroaches and bugs.
    1. denplot
      denplot 23 August 2020 11: 56
      -1
      Bravo, + from me
  6. Livonetc
    Livonetc 23 August 2020 11: 09
    +1
    Forgotten Moldova.
    The Baltic countries.
    They also turned to Russia not at all face.
    The result is similar.
    Complete loss of industry.
    The status of exporters of labor.
    At the same time, dependence on Russia remained to a significant extent.
    Although the connections are more and more broken.
    To be aware, they must drink the last drop of the western elixir.
    Let's wish them to reach the end of this path.
    1. mikhailovich22
      mikhailovich22 23 August 2020 11: 44
      -2
      Quote: Livonetc
      The Baltic countries.

      Especially poor Estonia is suffering.
      Estonia in 2020 is considered to be the leading country in terms of the number of new company openings per population, since the state authorities have created a simplified system of private business. This has become practically the only opportunity for the Russian-speaking population to stay in Estonia, since they are hired for civil service only with knowledge of the national language and a passport.
      Source: https://visasam.ru/emigration/europe-emigration/uroven-zhizni-v-estonii.html
  7. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 23 August 2020 11: 09
    0
    Belarus also risks falling victim to a new cold war between Russia and the NATO countries, it has a chance for a common European perspective.
    "Mouse, go ahead! Here's a European garnish cheese. And a mousetrap is garbage, once - and that's it, it doesn't hurt." crying And the mouse will go and cry when instead of cheese it will eat a cactus, but there will be no place to go.
  8. Sklendarka
    Sklendarka 23 August 2020 11: 10
    -8
    11 / 05 23 / 08.2020.
    Thank you bourgeois for your support, for your kind words, thank you for everything ...
    ,, ... goodbye unwashed Russia ... ''
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    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 23 August 2020 11: 56
      -1
      Have you seen yours for a long time?
    3. Quadro
      Quadro 23 August 2020 13: 12
      -1
      Quote: Skalendarka
      11 / 05 23 / 08.2020.
      Thank you bourgeois for your support, for your kind words, thank you for everything ...
      ,, ... goodbye unwashed Russia ... ''

      We will not miss you, we will not miss you, the road is like a tablecloth.
  9. Adam Khomich
    Adam Khomich 23 August 2020 11: 10
    +2
    The West, having supported the muydan, started the former Ukrainian SSR, which at the time of the collapse of the USSR had the sixth economy of Europe, to the world porch, actually stripping it to the skin and forcing it to give up the last resource, the land. their entrepreneurial spirit vanished. Belarus was able to preserve, modernize and multiply the "scoop legacy", which could not but irritate the West against the background of failed "reforms" in Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine etz. Now we are seeing an attempt by the West to equalize them all in poverty, so that there was no reason to complain to them about the lack of assistance. So far unlucky, we will see.
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 23 August 2020 23: 42
      0
      Quote: adam khomich
      The West, having supported the muydan, started the former Ukrainian SSR, which at the time of the collapse of the USSR had the sixth economy of Europe, to the world porch, actually stripping it to the skin and forcing it to give up the last resource - land

      Duc to the porch led not to the Maidan but to him, including when they were guided by both the Russian Federation and the EU. And the connection was strong with the Russian Federation. So the connection with the Russian Federation from the porch does not save.
      6 The economy was part of the USSR ...
      The USSR was itself the second economy. But it is common. It is wrong to think that separating one republic will be like in the USSR. All communications are broken and customers and everything. Everything collapses at once.
      So the entire economy had to be rebuilt. And that was very bad.
  10. Lionnvrsk
    Lionnvrsk 23 August 2020 11: 14
    0
    "common European home"

    It's funny. My home is my fortress, this is the common European home.
    Well, or at least my hut on the edge of the border I don't know anything.
  11. APASUS
    APASUS 23 August 2020 11: 16
    0
    What common house are we talking about? The EU and the US need markets and they master them perfectly. The fact that this is akin to neo-colonialism does not bother anyone. For example, China has become an economic power, and it is no longer important to steal technology or buy it.
    1. Adam Khomich
      Adam Khomich 23 August 2020 11: 42
      +1
      "What kind of common home are we talking about? The EU and the US need markets and they master them well. The fact that this is akin to neo-colonialism does not bother anyone."
      The West, having bribed the so-called elites, is successfully exchanging glass beads (cut paper) and the promise of a happy life for human and material resources. Reducing the population of the neo-colonies controlled by the West is one of the ways of bloodless seizure of territories. Empty promises of Western politicians do not bear any obligations.
  12. Elysium
    Elysium 23 August 2020 11: 17
    0
    about which Mikhail Gorbachev discussed in the Council of Europe back in 1989

    Also ... this was remembered. Here's the authority to follow stop
  13. Ros 56
    Ros 56 23 August 2020 11: 22
    +1
    The EU even divides its members into grades, and even more so, new candidates will be rejected as blacks used to be.
  14. Free wind
    Free wind 23 August 2020 11: 32
    +2
    Interestingly, the team of developers of the "world of tanks", is it for whom? So they can buy and finance any opposition, and the Lukashenka too.
    1. Barnabas
      Barnabas 23 August 2020 11: 47
      +1
      WoT developers for money. Like any other game development, especially if they have a large company with big profits.
      And they, I think, will not go into politics, the gambling business feeds them well, and politics is a changeable business, you can lose a lot at once.
      1. Quadro
        Quadro 23 August 2020 13: 15
        0
        Quote: Barnabas
        WoT developers for money. Like any other game development, especially if they have a large company with big profits.
        And they, I think, will not go into politics, the gambling business feeds them well, and politics is a changeable business, you can lose a lot at once.

        They are increasingly leaving the business market, and games are like an appendage.
    2. Elysium
      Elysium 23 August 2020 11: 51
      +1
      Quote: Free Wind
      the development team of the "world of tanks", who is it for?

      At the beginning of the year, there was something about creating a party to participate in Russian elections 2020-2021.
    3. Quadro
      Quadro 23 August 2020 13: 16
      +1
      Quote: Free Wind
      Interestingly, the team of developers of the "world of tanks", is it for whom? So they can buy and finance any opposition, and the Lukashenka too.

      The key line-up has already been in Cyprus for a long time and they are registered there.
    4. dgonni
      dgonni 23 August 2020 23: 33
      0
      Regular programmers against but father. Well, Sour and his companions are deeply violet. They warm themselves in Cyprus;)
  15. jovanni
    jovanni 23 August 2020 11: 37
    0
    They are seen there as a rug at the entrance, on which they wipe their feet ...
  16. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 23 August 2020 11: 39
    -2
    As Putin said: "You need to rejoice."
    Whether it will be bad there means that the load on the west will increase.
    Will it be good there - our government will start spinning stronger, and not to write out bonuses to itself, like Gazprom.
  17. Barnabas
    Barnabas 23 August 2020 11: 40
    -1
    Hahah, in other words, "yes, in our common European home you will be treated like a servant and a living place, yes, there are no more places for you in a common European home, and there never were, but you can still try to move in with us! Welcome!" "
    Fun)
  18. Prisoner
    Prisoner 23 August 2020 11: 40
    0
    An article for Belarusians. They say Ukrainians, Georgians, and Moldovans are one thing, and you guys are completely different. You are lucky, don't go to the fortuneteller. However, I already repeat myself.
  19. apro
    apro 23 August 2020 11: 40
    +1
    Belarus Ukraine Russia one people, one state.
    Reading the comments on the vo.prihodish to the conclusion ..... so there is no all-Russian house either .. screeching around. And our master is better. We feed everyone ... we move further and further ... and there is nothing to oppose to this.
  20. Unknown
    Unknown 23 August 2020 11: 48
    +2
    a common European home exists, it includes strictly defined countries, the founders of E.S. the rest of the countries were admitted to the EU, primarily due to political expediency, and then only economic. for example, Poland always shouted that it paid a great price for the right to be in a united Europe, and when it was one of the first to be accepted, it began to look down on the same Balts, as if to say, but where are you, first suffer like us, and then ask. the Balts, in turn, also look down on all those who ask for the EU. that is, the EU is a carrot on a rope, in front of the nose of a donkey, which is standing in a carrot field and running after it. fuel other countries in the EU, and their decisions have priority. and in general, it’s strange to see Georgia in the EU with a Caucasian mentality, and other mountain quirks. The author went over it. They don’t take Turkey wherever Georgians go.
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 23 August 2020 13: 01
      +2
      laughing Hazing, green trees!
  21. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 23 August 2020 11: 49
    +2
    Doesn't wait. This is all nonsense. The current status quo will remain.
    1. cniza
      cniza 23 August 2020 12: 37
      +3
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Doesn't wait. This is all nonsense. The current status quo will remain.



      God grant that it would not happen again, as in Ukraine ...
  22. fn34440
    fn34440 23 August 2020 12: 07
    +3
    Poland is increasing the US military presence on its territory. Warsaw through the head of the EU directly strengthens political, military, economic ties with America. It seems that the gentleman appointed Poland as his “beloved wife”, the defender of the interests of America, “looking out” for Eastern Europe.


    This situation is quite consistent with Poland's new imperial ambitions. The Poles in their history have experienced the humiliation of the partitions of Poland, the loss of independence, military defeats, occupation, but now they have recovered and are being reborn as a powerful, decisive nation, inclined towards expansion. Warsaw does not yet claim hegemony in the entire EU, but it clearly intends to become the leading regional power in the region of Eastern and North-Eastern Europe, excluding Scandinavia: that is, dominate over Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states.
    Belarus, of course, was given by America and the American-led "world community" under the "mandate" of Poland. Protests in Minsk and other cities of Belarus are directly inspired, directed and organized from the territory of Poland with the open support of the Polish state. It would have been enough that the main information resource of the opposition is the Telegram channel operating from Poland.
    It is easy to influence Belarus from Poland, because the citizens of Belarus traditionally have strong ties with the Poles: many have Polish roots, others have relatives, friends, business partners living in Poland. Belarus is naturally oriented not only towards Russia, but also towards Poland, this must be understood. If the Russian language is removed from the public space of Belarus, and the Belarusian language is slightly "finalized" towards polonization (as was done with the Ukrainian language), then the Polish influence will probably outweigh.
    Disintegration of Belarus with Russia is extremely disadvantageous for Poland economically, but Warsaw can do it purely because of the political ambitions of leadership in the region (and in the hope that the "lost income" will be compensated from the USA). - THIS IS WHERE the dog (psya krev) rummaged.
  23. Lesorub
    Lesorub 23 August 2020 12: 11
    +3
    Ukraine has never been able to move closer to the EU either economically or politically, having lost economic ties with Russia.

    In Europe, neither Ukraine nor Belarus is needed (with their enterprises, and with Ukraine, as a bonus, by uncontrollable oligarchs) - what is happening is the further dismemberment and withdrawal of the once fraternal republics from the influence of Russia. PS Poland has recently racked up millions of guest workers from Ukraine for a "penny"!
    1. cniza
      cniza 23 August 2020 12: 36
      +3
      Quote: Lesorub
      PS Poland has recently racked up millions of guest workers from Ukraine for a "penny"!


      There is a hope that the Belarusians will not go this way ...
  24. cniza
    cniza 23 August 2020 12: 35
    +2
    However, he adds, despite the fact that Belarus also risks falling victim to a new Cold War between Russia and NATO countries, it has a chance for a common European perspective.


    Uh-huh, apparently not only did they do with Ukraine ...
  25. iouris
    iouris 23 August 2020 12: 39
    0
    It all depends on Moscow. If Moscow surrenders Belarus, then the Russian Federation will very soon follow.
  26. Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 23 August 2020 13: 16
    +1
    Are these reasonable thoughts out loud of a Western journalist? What's the catch? As it is even unusual ...
  27. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 23 August 2020 13: 50
    +1
    Belarus knows how to design and manufacture electronics. Including, according to military standards. Devices. They write software (World of tanks - their software).
    Mechanical engineering needs to be upgraded, of course.
    They have good chances of breaking through.
    Let's put it this way: higher than that of Lithuania or Ukraine.
  28. strelokmira
    strelokmira 23 August 2020 14: 13
    0
    They want to live badly, let them live. But after the Maidan, residents of the Republic of Belarus should not be allowed into the Russian Federation as refugees, since they cannot go to the anti-Maidan, let them sit at home
    Otherwise, they will again flee in droves from the Natsiks, but for now these Natsiks were staging a saddle on the ass exactly
  29. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 23 August 2020 16: 16
    0
    The old man just changes the vector again. Two weeks ago, his eastern neighbor wanted to attack, and now his western one. It’s easy for limitrophes. Not foreign policy, but jumping around the members.  laughing
  30. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 23 August 2020 16: 17
    0
    Two weeks ago, Wagner attacked Butcher. Now his Polish and regional agents are excited. Let me remind you that in Ukraine, they did without the Poles. On their own. And the Natsiks were not brought up with a definziva with a Sigurana, but their own SBU.  laughing laughing
  31. NF68
    NF68 23 August 2020 16: 21
    0
    It is a pity that the strikers in Belarus have not yet understood this.
  32. 1536
    1536 23 August 2020 23: 16
    0
    These people are in the photo, who are they? The wives of those who went to work in Poland, Germany, Britain, or somewhere else? What is the social composition of those who advocate refusal to cooperate with Russia, from the "union state", from such structures as the CSTO, etc.?
    If those in Belarus have become the majority in recent decades, comrade Lukashenka still better understand that it is futile to play against the whole people, even together with army units. For example, General Pinochet in Chile, suppressing in the most brutal, bloodiest way the left-wing radical and socialist sentiments in the country, then gave people a perspective, despite the monstrous repression and restriction of civil liberties. The Americans began to invest money in Chile, in the 2000s China joined this, the industry began to work, however, mainly mining. However, by 2013, GDP per capita was one of the highest in Latin America. Pinochet did not evade responsibility for what he had done, but Chile remained on the world map.
    Alas, Belarus is unlikely to expect any investments. NATO bases, recreational and service component, using the country's geography, and the outflow of an already small population and more or less skilled labor.
    People themselves, with their own hands, ruin their future, the future of their children and old people. And it hurts to look at it, at the photos of intoxicated people.
  33. Cristall
    Cristall 23 August 2020 23: 19
    +1
    what nonsense with quoting a report
    Poverty there may soon surpass 50%, UNICEF predicts

    Did the author check the report himself?
    Due to the COVID-19 pandemic in Ukraine, the number of poor people will increase by 6,3 million at best, and by 9 million at worst. This forecast was published by UNICEF.
    "In a less threatening scenario, the number of people living in poverty will increase by 6,3 million, including 1,4 million children, while in a more threatening scenario, this figure will increase by 9 million, including 1,8 million children," report.

    although the figure sounds.
    The actual cost of living in March per person was 3795 UAH (including the amount of mandatory payments - 4352 UAH), for children under 6 years old - 3549 UAH, for children from 6 to 18 years old - 4358 UAH, for able-bodied persons - 3931 UAH (from taking into account the amount of obligatory payments - UAH 4884), for persons who have lost the ability to work - UAH 3217. This was reported in the Ministry of Social Policy.

    Such forecasts were relevant when a complete quarantine and everything was closed.
    Ours decided to get sick better but to work and not to jam the economy.
    So the predictions did not come true. But there is a fall. Like everyone else.
  34. abc_alex
    abc_alex 24 August 2020 02: 38
    0
    chance for ... prospects

    It even sounds like cheating.
  35. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 24 August 2020 04: 15
    0
    What a gay European house !? They "united" against the background of "Russian aggression", but in fact themselves, like spiders in a bank.
  36. Clueless
    Clueless 24 August 2020 08: 15
    +1
    And what is the fate of Ukraine and Georgia? Seemingly they live normally, they are not full of course, so they did not live like that before.
    The only thing is that in the first, that in the second country there are military conflicts, well, the other authorities are to blame for this. The other is their former rulers, and ours from Russia, because we need hot spots there so that they cannot join NATO.