Synopsis of events in Syria: investigation into the death of a Russian general continues

The Syrian Arab army is pulling in reinforcements in the western part of Dar'a province.

According to a military source Federal news agency (FAN) Ahmad Marzuk, this is being done in preparation for a military operation to clean up the "sleeping cells" of militants. Its need is due to the increased incidence of attacks on military personnel and government officials in the region.

According to the Syrian state agency SANA, four civilians were killed in a mine explosion near the city of Khan Sheikhoun in Idlib province. At that moment they were harvesting in the field. Near the village of Al-Fatira, two civilians were also injured by the explosion of a high-explosive shell left by the radicals.

Calling themselves "human rights activists", White Helmets report that they have evacuated the bodies of three more civilians killed in Idlib, who were blown up by a mine during agricultural work near the village of Kansafra in the south of the province.

In the province of Raqqa, near the village of Ain Issa, an attempt was made on the life of the head of the municipality of the autonomous administration subordinate to the Syrian Democratic Forces. This was reported by the Alkhabour edition. The attack was carried out by unknown persons hiding on a motorcycle. It is assumed that these were representatives of the "sleeping cell" of the terrorist "Islamic State" banned in Russia.

Against this background, the investigation of the tragic incident, which resulted in the death of the Russian general, continues. Recall that the explosion thundered when the general of the Russian Armed Forces moved on foot, accompanied by the Syrian and Russian military, along the convoy of military equipment. Events unfolded in the province of Deir ez-Zor. The question of the type of explosive device is being studied - an IED or a mine placed on the side of the road. The question is also being investigated as to whether a Russian general with an escort happened to be at the site where the explosive device was planted.

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[cniza]

The question is also being investigated as to whether a Russian general with an escort happened to be at the site where the explosive device was planted.

There should be no such accidents, and not only for generals, but for any Russian servicemen.

[Doliva63]

Quote: cniza

The question is also being investigated as to whether a Russian general with an escort happened to be at the site where the explosive device was planted.

There should be no such accidents, and not only for generals, but for any Russian servicemen.

Since when have regular violations of the BUSV requirement on the constant and continuous conduct of all types of reconnaissance, incl. engineering, become an accident?

[steelmaker]

They investigate for a long time. The one who blew up the general is already "on the Canadian border." It was necessary to beat immediately all the terrorists where they were found. He who is not with us is against us.

[forty-eighth]

Calling themselves "human rights defenders" "White Helmets"

they call themselves "peacemakers" and not "human rights defenders".

[Wolf]

Definitely it was ATENTAT. Intelligence failed.

[LiSiCyn]

Too many factors should have formed.
1) There will be a general.
2) Comes out of the protected area and move on foot.
3) Radio undermining is excluded, tk. there are "jammers" in the column.
What remains is a detonation "by wire" and a mine. By wires, judging by the video, we stopped in an open area, thereby the length of the wire increases to not decent values. A mine remains on the sidelines. And this is most likely.

[Doliva63]

Quote: LiSiCyn

Too many factors should have formed.
1) There will be a general.
2) Comes out of the protected area and move on foot.
3) Radio undermining is excluded, tk. there are "jammers" in the column.
What remains is a detonation "by wire" and a mine. By wires, judging by the video, we stopped in an open area, thereby the length of the wire increases to not decent values. A mine remains on the sidelines. And this is most likely.

And if the sappers had driven along the road in advance, all factors would be reduced to zero. But not destiny, you see.

[AndreyS]

Quote: Doliva63

And if the sappers had driven along the road in advance, all factors would be reduced to zero. But not destiny, you see.

I hope you understand in engineering intelligence dear! It seems to me that the mine was anti-personnel and lay there a long time ago. Although the video showed a powerful burst (most likely anti-personnel and something more powerful under it). The roadside and the road are solid sand, if even for three hours to dig in, no one will see anything, not one sapper. Well, and the gross violation of all instructions (about walking on roadsides). By the way, the mine was there where people usually jump from the armored personnel carrier.
The only option was a tank roadside roller to roll.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: AndreyS

It seems to me that the mine was anti-personnel and lay there a long time ago. Although the video showed a powerful burst (most likely antipersonnel and something more powerful under it). The roadside and the road are solid sand, if even for three hours to dig in, no one will see anything, not one sapper.

Totally agree with you!

Quote: AndreyS

Well, and the gross violation of all instructions (about walking on roadsides).

There was such a crowd. Only personalities, about 15 people. Syrians, not very disciplined, + show-off in front of the Russian general. "And I tell you, honestly, those Syrians who accompany the columns, and those at the front, there are two big differences." (From a heart-to-heart conversation with a man, with two business trips in 18-19)

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Doliva63

if the sappers had driven along the road in advance

This is practically uncontrolled territory. Sappers must move with great security. Thus, attracting unnecessary attention. Well, you understand ... Besides, how long before the passage of the column, they had to check?
Again, as comrade wrote below,

Quote: AndreyS

The side of the road and the road is solid sand, if even for three hours no one can see anything, not one sapper

[Doliva63]

Engineering reconnaissance can go directly in front of the column, this does not affect security in any way. And I didn't mean a sapper wandering alone by the side of the road A UAZ took a ride, spotted suspicious places, the sappers quickly checked, and off we go. "Comrade below", apparently not aware of the forces and means of engineering reconnaissance. I, too, did not graduate from an engineering school, but: a) everyone studies engineering intelligence (well, maybe they did not study it in financial schools); b) in the troops, everyone encountered her.

[AndreyS]

Quote: Doliva63

A UAZ took a ride, spotted suspicious places, the sappers quickly checked, and off we go. "Comrade below", apparently not aware of the forces and means of engineering reconnaissance. I, too, did not graduate from an engineering school, but: a) everyone studies engineering intelligence (well, maybe they did not study it in financial schools); b) in the troops, everyone encountered her.

Comrad below is just in the course of engineering intelligence as well as in matters of mining, and if you dear read my post more closely, then you would not write this post. A UAZ rolled in front of the column's passage - these are one hundred percent corpses - easy prey for small arms and snipers, even from a long distance. And I doubt that Ing. there was no intelligence.
If you have watched the video dear, then with your army experience you should have paid attention to the road surface (solid sand), which does not make it possible to see "...suspicious places... ", especially since even if you dig a hole under the PMN and the ammunition under it (30 cm in depth) in a couple of hours (or even faster), then what was dug could not be found since the sand is dry, even the soil cannot be attributed you need to scatter a thin layer and that's it.
And about the forces and means of engineering reconnaissance, I think that in those places we all do not know.

[Doliva63]

Quote: AndreyS

Quote: Doliva63

A UAZ took a ride, spotted suspicious places, the sappers quickly checked, and off we go. "Comrade below", apparently not aware of the forces and means of engineering reconnaissance. I, too, did not graduate from an engineering school, but: a) everyone studies engineering intelligence (well, maybe they did not study it in financial schools); b) in the troops, everyone encountered her.

Comrad below is just in the course of engineering intelligence as well as in matters of mining, and if you dear read my post more closely, then you would not write this post. A UAZ rolled in front of the column's passage - these are one hundred percent corpses - easy prey for small arms and snipers, even from a long distance. And I doubt that Ing. there was no intelligence.
If you have watched the video dear, then with your army experience you should have paid attention to the road surface (solid sand), which does not make it possible to see "...suspicious places... ", especially since even if you dig a hole under the PMN and the ammunition under it (30 cm in depth) in a couple of hours (or even faster), then what was dug could not be found since the sand is dry, even the soil cannot be attributed you need to scatter a thin layer and that's it.
And about the forces and means of engineering reconnaissance, I think that in those places we all do not know.

I don't know what they have in front of the convoy - the GPZ or just security, but in any case, there is some kind of protection, which means that the sappers can work (and they simply must, if there was a decision of the senior chief). Or, in your opinion, let the general explode, but the sappers must survive? Cool. I'm not a sapper, I forgot the name of the equipment on that UAZ (it seems to have been installed on the BRDM-2) - something related to induction - are you talking about it too? He will mark the places of the probable location of the explosive device - what is the problem with destroying them with an overhead charge? Sand does not play any role here. Or is it completely different in RA as it was in SA?

[AndreyS]

Quote: Doliva63

I'm not a sapper, I forgot the name of the equipment on that UAZ (it seems to have been installed on the BRDM-2) - something related to induction - are you talking about it too? He will mark the places of the probable location of the explosive device - what is the problem with destroying them with an overhead charge? Sand does not play any role here. Or is it completely different in RA as it was in SA?

You still need to find these places, then see what lies there, determine the power of the charge for destruction (I’ll tell you secretly to destroy a hand grenade, a charge of 200 grams of TNT is used) and detonate. And since all the equipment is designed for steel, where there is a war going on, there will be radiation everywhere. And I am afraid that a simple anti-personnel mine of the PMN type will be difficult to detect because it is made of plastic. Do you know what the PMN (PMN-2) consists of?
"...Description: Mine body, plastic, has cavities for placing a charge and a long-range cocking mechanism, one vertical and two horizontal channels for placing fuse mechanisms. The top of the case is closed with a lid. The charge (TG-40) has an additional detonator (Tetryl (trinitrophenylmethylnitroamine)) weighing 4,5 grams. The push-on sensor consists of a spring-loaded rod, placed in the vertical channel of the body, and a cross resting on it, closed with a rubber cap, fixed on top of the body with a union nut... "The equipment does not detect it, since there is a minimum of iron, and visually the road is not asphalt, so only the pens are respected, that is, with a probe like the grandfathers did. In such cases, only Uranium-6 will help, continuous clearance. 100 m of the road you will get stuck for at least 3 hours (not an acceptable result).

[Doliva63]

Quote: AndreyS

Quote: Doliva63

I'm not a sapper, I forgot the name of the equipment on that UAZ (it seems to have been installed on the BRDM-2) - something related to induction - are you talking about it too? He will mark the places of the probable location of the explosive device - what is the problem with destroying them with an overhead charge? Sand does not play any role here. Or is it completely different in RA as it was in SA?

You still need to find these places, then see what lies there, determine the power of the charge for destruction (I’ll tell you secretly to destroy a hand grenade, a charge of 200 grams of TNT is used) and detonate. And since all the equipment is designed for steel, where there is a war going on, there will be radiation everywhere. And I am afraid that a simple anti-personnel mine of the PMN type will be difficult to detect because it is made of plastic. Do you know what the PMN (PMN-2) consists of?
"...Description: Mine body, plastic, has cavities for placing a charge and a long-range cocking mechanism, one vertical and two horizontal channels for placing fuse mechanisms. The top of the case is closed with a lid. The charge (TG-40) has an additional detonator (Tetryl (trinitrophenylmethylnitroamine)) weighing 4,5 grams. The push-on sensor consists of a spring-loaded rod, placed in the vertical channel of the body, and a cross resting on it, closed with a rubber cap, fixed on top of the body with a union nut... "The equipment does not detect it, since there is a minimum of iron, and visually the road is not asphalt, so only the pens are respected, that is, with a probe like the grandfathers did. In such cases, only Uranium-6 will help, continuous clearance. 100 m of the road you will get stuck for at least 3 hours (not an acceptable result).

What is PMN-2, I know. I don't understand why you are pushing her? It must be stepped on, however. There was nothing like that in the video. What do you say to that? Remote firing? If the seismic sensor had stood, it would have worked earlier. And if, after all, they blew up on the radio, then also a "jamb" of sappers - why not jammed? And at the same time, after all, you still have to see who is there at the mine - here, in general, everyone has jambs.

[AndreyS]

Quote: Doliva63

There was nothing like that in the video. And if, after all, they blew up on the radio, then also a "jamb" of sappers - why not jammed?

I think they must have jammed, this is now the norm, especially when the leaders are in the convoy. Watch the video carefully, you can clearly see that there was anti-personnel. Because he alone died, all the others are wounded. If there was a bookmark, there would be at least a 150 mm shell and would have blown it up when the convoy stopped and everyone just got out of the cars (there is a very high risk that wires will be found). And in the video, the column is standing and they are returning. And the explosion is somehow ridiculous and not small and not large. Therefore, I think that I was stupidly PMN and not at the general, but at random.

[Doliva63]

Quote: AndreyS

Quote: Doliva63

There was nothing like that in the video. And if, after all, they blew up on the radio, then also a "jamb" of sappers - why not jammed?

I think they must have jammed, this is now the norm, especially when the leaders are in the convoy. Watch the video carefully, you can clearly see that there was anti-personnel. Because he alone died, all the others are wounded. If there was a bookmark, there would be at least a 150 mm shell and would have blown it up when the convoy stopped and everyone just got out of the cars (there is a very high risk that wires will be found). And in the video, the column is standing and they are returning. And the explosion is somehow ridiculous and not small and not large. Therefore, I think that I was stupidly PMN and not at the general, but at random.

But he did not step on it! He walked a meter away from her. The PMN is designed exclusively to tear off whatever gets on it. And then, the explosion, as I saw it, was vertical, that is, the explosive device was deep enough. And if a general died from shrapnel, then this is all the more not PMN. In general, we do not know the details, there is no point in arguing

[Dzafdet]

Most likely the s and the Israelis were in advance. Someone leaked information about the general's trip. We must give them a reply and quickly ...

[Kapkan]

I don’t know if it’s possible or not.

[Santa Fe]

Such an "investigation" is an insult to the memory of a fallen warrior

This is war, there can be no civil concepts here

The award is posthumous - to the general. And an air strike on the enemy!

[Warrior2015]

Sorry, but some kind of nonsense - the province of Deraa is one of the quietest, there is no and there was no powerful movement of jihadism, but this region has always been opposed to Damascus, and apparently nothing else but to offer to suppress this region, pacified by the Russians, from the "Sadykovites" comes out.

Idlib, on the other hand, is a giant gadyushnik, which remains and will apparently remain uncleared. Who placed the mines there and against whom is simply impossible to understand.