"Belt light machine gun": Kalashnikov showed RPL-20

Concern Kalashnikov on the eve of the international forum "Army-2020" showed a new RPL-20 light machine gun, which is being developed by order of the Ministry of Defense.

As stated in the concern itself, the new machine gun was created on the basis of the RPK-16 light machine gun with the introduction of certain changes based on the results of experimental military operation. At the moment, only a prototype machine gun has been created, which is being factory tested.

During military tests of an experimental batch of RPK-16 machine guns - including their combat use - the Ministry of Defense was able to clarify the requirements for this type weapons... Work on the RPK-16 was carried out on an initiative basis, but now we are engaged in the creation of a light machine gun already within the framework of the state defense order

- said earlier the head of the concern Dmitry Tarasov.

Kalashnikov's specialists reported that the RPL-20 was created for the 5,45X39 mm cartridge, the machine gun was powered by a belt, the belt was also developed by the concern. Cartridge box for 100 rounds. There is a possibility of changing the barrel, a double-sided fuse, a folding stock with an adjustable cheek. Weight depending on the length of the barrel: with a short barrel - 5,2 kg, with a long barrel - 5,5 kg. The machine gun is equipped with a Picatinny rail for attaching sights and other devices. All types of optical and collimator sights are installed on the machine gun.

The new machine gun will be officially presented at the Army-2020 international military-technical forum.

Comments

[senima56]

"The machine gun is created on the basis of the RPK-16 light machine gun" - in my opinion, the new machine gun (thank God!) Has nothing from the RPK-16!
This is a brand new machine gun and good luck to the designers!

[fiberboard]

And why is the RPK-16 bad?

[Insurgent]

"Belt light machine gun": Kalashnikov showed RPL-20

Quote: fiberboard

And why is the RPK-16 bad?

An obvious and expected question "not a machine gunner"(a person who has not actually encountered the PKK and PK (M)).

Nothing worse or better. He's just different. With a different power system. With its own advantages and disadvantages.

Personally, I will "keep my fists" so that the 5,45 caliber machine gun will finally appear in the RF Armed Forces. The urgency of this is.
There are also developments, such as "Kord 5,45" with universal store-and-tape power supply, and so the RPL -20 ...

[senima56]

I also like "Kord 5.45"! But only I do not hear about his "state tests" or that he will be presented at "Army 2020"!
It's a shame, but it seems that "at the top" someone once and finally decided: "Kalashnikov" for all time! "
I am not against Kalashnikov, but the competition must be fair and healthy! And if "Kord 5.45" turns out to be better, then we must honestly admit it and take it into service!

[Boris Chernikov]

no better .. the topic Turner and Turner-2, due to the military's requirement for "universal" loading, made the machine gun too complicated, expensive and heavy ... By the way, I would not be surprised if the Kovrovites trick their ears and put up a self-made Turner with only tape power

[fiberboard]

You are a little mistaken, I worked with PKM in the mountains for a year. In addition, I also communicated with the PKK. These are completely different machine guns for different purposes. I think the RPK-16 as a squad gun is good. PKM machine gun is heavier, group weapon and less maneuverable. And I think it is inappropriate to replace the PKK with it. The new machine gun has boxes with ribbons, they must be dragged across the battlefield. Somewhere to replenish ammunition. This is hemorrhoids. It is a hybrid between PKM and PKK.

[aglet]

"The new machine gun has boxes of ribbons, they have to be dragged around the battlefield. Somewhere to replenish ammunition. It's hemorrhoids."
Ash tree stump, the RPK has self-propelled stores, even, sometimes, they carry a machine gunner, and there is no need to replenish ammunition, he does not run out of ammunition. but in an amicable way, both the store and the tape have their advantages. therefore, both those and those are needed. for different conditions

[Ingenegr]

He's not good. Certainly not as good as QC marketers imagine it to be.
And this is not an "opinion from the couch", but a picture obtained for six months of torment with this "miracle machine gun".

[panov_panov]

If you had a chance to work with him, what exactly are his shortcomings? What didn't you like?

[Ingenegr]

Quote: panov_panov

If you had a chance to work with him, what exactly are his shortcomings? What didn't you like?

In short, the disadvantages of the RPK-16 boil down to an inconvenient and non-rigid bipod, an extremely unreliable drum magazine, a method for installing an OOEP, and a barrel attachment point.

[Maz]

Quote: senima56

"The machine gun is created on the basis of the RPK-16 light machine gun" - in my opinion, the new machine gun (thank God!) Has nothing from the RPK-16!
This is a brand new machine gun and good luck to the designers!

I just looked and immediately remembered the Belgian light machine gun, almost one-on-one in appearance. And this bag, in my opinion on Israeli machine guns, is about the same?
FN Minimi - 5,56 × 45 mm light machine gun manufactured by FN Herstal (Belgium), serial production began in the 1980s. The development of this weapon was given to the promising designer Ernest Vervier, the creator of the FN MAG machine gun.

[Stas1973]

I wanted to write on the previous answers - take it by the minimum and rework it. And do not fuss to fence a vegetable garden.

[MORDVIN13rus]

And that its developed counterparts chtol were not? Immediately appeal to the most offended nation.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Maz

I just looked and immediately remembered the Belgian light machine gun, almost one-on-one in appearance. And this bag, in my opinion on Israeli machine guns, is about the same?

Maz, here's a picture of the Negev. I will help.

[Maz]

Quote: Maki Avellevich

Quote: Maz

I just looked and immediately remembered the Belgian light machine gun, almost one-on-one in appearance. And this bag, in my opinion on Israeli machine guns, is about the same?

Maz, here's a picture of the Negev. I will help.

one two and three please note

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Maz

one two and three please note

FN MAG. of all times and peoples.
for me anyway.

[Boris Chernikov]

there is a lot in common) the scheme itself, barrels and everything else .. just the machine gun is made taking into account the theme a la AK-12 mod. 2020.well, and tape ammunition more)

[Coconut]

Awesome contraption ... I would have one in '88 at the shooting range ... and then the standard PC twisted my shoulder ... (they shot the remaining zinc after the combined arms exercises)

[phair]

Yes on the shooting range and Lewis nothing (with ammunition). And with this colander crawled out of the swamp, I would try. At the shooting range :)

[mat-vey]

Quote: Coco

Awesome contraption ... I would have one in '88 at the shooting range ... but then a standard PC twisted my whole shoulder

I certainly apologize for the tediousness ..... And how would he help? PC - cartridges 7,62x54 here 5,45x39 ... how?

[Ded_Mazay]

Facepalm ... A man's shoulder would not be ironed like a pkm! What the hell is not clear here !?

[mat-vey]

Naturally, I would not "iron out" - 7,62x54 into the barrel under 5,45x39 you cannot insert it ... even with a hammer ... and attention - there will be no recoil and the shoulder will remain intact - the same option ... only hand over the rest of the cartridges given ....

[The leader of the Redskins]

It looks slightly "delicate", but not repulsive.
How to understand:
the tape is also developed in the concern.
Is that the old one does not fit? Then it's bad.

[Kolin]

There was no serial belt for 5,45 at all, as well as a serial machine belt gun.

[Sahalinets]

So there are no machines for stuffing tapes with 5,45 cartridges. Do they offer to manually equip the tape?

[aglet]

for the amount that is, you can manually. and then they don't think

[Boris Chernikov]

while they are silent, but I think they will come up with something ... but more complicated than a meat grinder

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

the tape is also developed in the concern.
Is that the old one does not fit? Then it's bad.

Was it chambered for the 5,45x39 cartridge?

[The leader of the Redskins]

Yeah ... Then I see. I only shot PKT once, so I don't know. Thank you enlightened.

[hagen]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I only shot PKT once,

Share your experience, how did you "shoot" him?

[The leader of the Redskins]

Paired in a tank. Only it was almost thirty years ago. The device was inserted into the barrel. One looks, the other in the tower adjusts the mount with the keys. When the "cross" coincided with the target, the device was removed, a tape for ten rounds was charged, and a burst was made. At the end, a parsing near the target. Everything is described in the instructions for firing.

[hagen]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

The device was inserted into the barrel. One looks, the other in the tower adjusts the mount with keys

I thought so. I did this on the BMP. Also thirty years ago. This, more correctly, is the alignment of the PKT and the sight on the KVM (control and alignment target) ...

[Nehist]

Was! Under the new machine gun PU-21 "Poplin" TSNIITOCHMASH was made in the 70s. They considered it difficult to manufacture both the machine gun itself and the belt

[svp67]

Quote: Nehist

Was! Under the new machine gun PU-21 "Poplin"

Do you think that they will take her from that project? I doubt it. They can take it as a basis, but they will bring something of their own, so as not to share glory

[Nehist]

From him and took A. M. Kalashnikov was also involved in this project. At the same time, they developed everything that the Belgians applied in their minimi, but later. By the way, an original PU (feeder) was developed, which could, as an option, be hooked to any automatic shooter and use a tape feed. So the USSR used nothing new again.

[MORDVIN13rus]

This SPU was developed within the framework of the "Poplin" theme

[Insurgent]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

the tape is also developed in the concern.
Is that the old one does not fit? Then it's bad.

And what is "old" in your opinion?
What kind of belt-fed weapon chambered for 5,45x39 in service?

[The leader of the Redskins]

You ask belatedly. I have already received the answer to the question, and I also provided explanations for the lack of education.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

You ask belatedly. I have already received the answer to the question, and I also provided explanations for the lack of education.

Alas, I did not notice. Thanks for the answer.

But it is obvious that the point is not "ignorance", but the fact that you simply did not carefully read the material: Kalashnikov's specialists reported that the RPL-20 was created for the 5,45X39 mm cartridge, the machine gun was powered by a belt, the belt was also developed in the concern , hurried to ask a question without bothering to match that PKT that you "shot"has a tape chambered for 7,62x54R ...

[swzero]

From RPD, what tape will not work with? The casings are kind of the same for 5.45 and 7.62x39 as is the length of the cartridge.

[Insurgent]

Quote: swzero

From RPD-46, why won't the tape fit? The sleeves are kind of the same for 5.45 and 7.62x39

The cartridges are different, the casings are different, and the tape, accordingly, will not work.

Purely visually noticeable, even without specifying dimensions.

[Asad]

I am not an expert in small arms from the word ,, at all ,, The question is, is this machine gun a breakthrough compared to eg MG42 or just evolution?

[svp67]

Quote: ASAD

The question is, is this machine gun a breakthrough compared to the MG42, for example, or is it just evolution?

This machine gun of a different concept, MG42 must be compared with the "Pecheneg"

[Asad]

Thank! I speak far from the shooter!

[Catfish]

This machine gun of a different concept, MG42 must be compared with the "Pecheneg"

Absolutely.

[John22]

These are machine guns of different calibers - how to compare them?

[Zufei]

Does the PK / PKM have a replaceable barrel?

[Valtimchenko]

> Does the PK / PKM have a replaceable barrel?
Yes, why?

[Zufei]

Is the replacement of the barrel at the PC provided for overheating? Right in the field, in 3 seconds?

[Insurgent]

Quote: Zufei

Is the replacement of the barrel at the PC provided for overheating? Right in the field, in 3 seconds?

Yes, there is a quick barrel change for the PC (M). Three, not three seconds, but quickly

[Zufei]

Only no trunk

[Insurgent]

Quote: Zufei

Only no trunk

Like this Even in NM, consider the militia, there are spare barrels ...
Another question is that we do not have a second number in our staff to carry all the goods (additional BC and barrel), but in the conditions of trench warfare as such, this is not critical ...

[Catfish]

Nikolai, good afternoon!
I already wrote there below about MG, SG and PC in a short comment to Sleep. As for the new Kalashnikov model, this is most likely their belated response to the famous Belgian Minimi machine gun, which was the first in this line with a dual power system chambered for 5,56 × 45 mm cartridge manufactured by FN Herstal since 1981.
Belgian with store food:

American licensed M249 Para (parachutists and marines - folding stock) with belt feed:

After that, the Belgian, many countries woke up and began to produce light machine guns of this class: South Africa, Israel, China ... only we still itch.

[svp67]

Quote: Sea Cat

As for the new Kalashnikov model, this is most likely their belated response to the famous Belgian Minimi machine gun, which was the first in this line with a dual power system chambered for 5,56 × 45 mm cartridge manufactured by FN Herstal since 1981.

Well, the USSR also had its own machine gun with a dual mode of power supply, though under a powerful "welted" cartridge, RP-46

[Catfish]

Sergei, wasn’t it just a rework for tape? Or there, the cover changed and you could shove the disc. Well, in battle, it's not serious.

[svp67]

Quote: Sea Cat

Or there, the cover changed and you could shove the disc.

Yes, disk from DP-27

Quote: Sea Cat

Well, in battle, it's not serious.

So in battle and no one will definitely do this, but there are different situations, somewhere it would be necessary to use old disks from DP-27

[Catfish]

... somewhere it would be necessary to use old disks from DP-27

Here! This is the whole point - they stamped so many of them, in vain or something. It's like our overcoats have been issued for thirty years, but don't throw them away.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Good afternoon, the tape recorder from the RP-46 was filmed no more difficult than the usual disk magazine (it was put instead of it ), and disks from DP-27 were used when firing blank cartridges.

[sanek45744]

hmm, the tape feed mechanism changes to disk in just 10 seconds.

[sen]

The British Army is going to abandon the use of the FN Para Minimi machine gun or L110A2 / A3 /. This was announced at the Future Soldier Technology 2018 conference, which took place in London from March 12-14.
It seems that in this way the question of which is better - high-precision fire or suppressive heavy fire was resolved.
As conceived by the British troops, soldiers armed with an L85A3, equipped with an L123A3 (Heckler & Koch AG-36) grenade launcher, are better able to provide suppression than an L110 machine gun at a distance of 300-400 m.
The rejection of light machine guns with belt weapons reflects the process that took place in the US Marine Corps in 2010. Then the decision was made to switch from the M249, the Minimi's own version, to the automatic M27 for the infantry.
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/gun/velikobritaniia-otkazyvaetsia-ot-pulemetov-pochemu-5ad99def482677e486f3a43e
https://40cdo-rm.ru/news/britanskaya-armiya-namerena-otkazatsya-ot-ispolzovaniya-pulemetov-l110a2a3/
https://topwar.ru/145451-britanskaja-armija-nachinaet-perevooruzhenie-pehoty.html
https://topwar.ru/130605-amerikanskaya-armiya-ischet-zamenu-pulemetu-m249.html

[armored cat]

Good old DP under the tape, a good machine, we gave a couple of these from ...... radishes. They left themselves very helpful.

[Asad]

Thanks for the detailed answer!

[Catfish]

Always happy if you have something to answer.

[psiho117]

Quote: Sea Cat

as for the new Kalashnikov model, this is most likely their belated response to the famous Belgian machine gun "Minimi"

Not. The Minimi is a machine gun designed as a machine gun - machine gun weight, belt, open bolt firing.
Here we just see how tape feed was cut into the RPK-16.
Automation remains the same.
What kind of tape is there, whether it can be equipped in the field, whether it is possible to supply ammunition from standard magazines is not yet clear.
We are waiting for a wide screening.

[MORDVIN13rus]

YES, here are not the first Belgians who were in the creation of a light parking brake under an intermediate cartridge, and even with a double power supply, namely, the USSR was ahead of the Belgians.

[Catfish]

If it's not difficult to give a link, otherwise it all turns out somehow frivolous.

[MORDVIN13rus]

https://topwar.ru/76867-eksperimentalnye-ruchnye-pulemety-semeystva-pu.html В рамках этого проекта был сконструирован уникальный лентопротяжный механизм, позволявший его монтаж как на рпк 74 и всего семейства 74 калашей. Так что РПЛ это лишь модернизация сего проекта.

[Catfish]

Thanks, Eugene.
I didn't know anything about this development, now, thanks to you, I found it right away. It is strange that we did not accept this PU-1 into service, we are again lagging behind the entire planet, although we could have been ahead in this regard for a long time.
With disc magazine.

Belt-fed.

[MORDVIN13rus]

And here is a photo of this pribluda.

[Catfish]

Funnily enough, the ribbon is fed using the reload handle. Not very reliable, isn't it?

[MORDVIN13rus]

On DShK and RP-46 there were no problems with this.

[Catfish]

I had nothing to do with the RP-46, but the DShKM in our "half-fours" stood as anti-aircraft. I had a chance to shoot at the TST and there were no problems. But there is iron of what thickness, you cannot flatten it with a sledgehammer. And in PU-1 I meant a seemingly "flimsy" design of the entire supply system.

[MORDVIN13rus]

Well, as practice shows, if our gunsmiths make something, it works.

[Professor]

Wow. Canvas shop. At last.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Come on! I saw in the pictures that the PKM has one.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Here you go, Mr. Minusator.

[501 Legion]

looks good, if in the framework of the state defense order, then there is no doubt that they will bring to mind, it's like Kalashnikov

[Doliva63]

Quote: 501Legion

looks good, if in the framework of the state defense order, then there is no doubt that they will bring to mind, it's like Kalashnikov

Kalashnikov would have brought it, but this is not Kalashnikov, but businessmen, the main thing for them is to sell. Well, they will sell, I have no doubt

[Wwk7260]

The agony of the small arms design bureau of the Kalashnikov concern continues, it is a pity that Kovrov's successful developments are being pushed in to please the courtier design bureau.

[Quadro]

Agony is unlikely, but the AK-12 pulled the campaign for kickbacks. The A-545 already won immediately, but they began to pull the rubber with repeated tests, giving it the KK to modify their miracle Yudo, which, in terms of reliability, lost to the even more complex A-545. And even then, in the end, we got a filed ak-74, and how they pondered before that with a double-sided shutter and an interpreter, and even a store reset button.

[D16]

And even then, in the end, we got a sawed-off ak-74

What they paid for, they got it. The role of the mass shooters is not so great today that you would spend a lot of money on it. Therefore, we went along the path of getting rid of not very necessary tweaks.

[We are for our]

The role of the mass shooters is not so great today that you would spend a lot of money on it.

but it is not so small that it can be completely neglected, to re-equip all combat units with a modern assault rifle at a price comparable to the cost of 10 tanks or one aircraft.

[D16]

but not so small as to be completely neglected

Precisely that is small. Look at the statistics of even the current semi-guerrilla wars. He drives collective weapons. For those who really use a machine gun, they are already producing an expensive A-545 at the price of 10 tanks or an aircraft. The overwhelming majority of the features of the early AK-12 are completely unnecessary, and the store reset button is simply harmful. As a result, we got a machine with good characteristics at a price half the initial price. And Krivoruchko voiced her in the 14th year. 1000 $.

[Boris Chernikov]

not to mention the fact that we have winter, the same translator and the reset button can freeze altogether

[bar]

They are a monument ...

[Mountain shooter]

Whoa! Necessary thing! The squad's firepower will increase dramatically.

[svp67]

Look what a "miracle Yudo" .. it looks like with a short piston stroke, and this is a new machine ...

[D16]

And most likely shoots from an open bolt. It is a pity that they did not begin to do ejector cooling as in Pecheneg, but hit the removable barrels of different lengths. IMHO stupidity. Whoever will carry them with him will be of different lengths for all occasions.

[Boris Chernikov]

1) when firing with an automatic caliber, the weapon, oddly enough, will fail faster and then you will need to either send the weapon for repair or write it off, and replacing the barrel is much easier

[Vadim237]

Concern Kalashnikov showed something else - cooler than a machine gun
Within the framework of the Army-2020 International Military-Technical Forum, the Kalashnikov Group of Companies presented an innovative invention, the IZH H600 hybrid machine - the first hybrid machining center produced in Russia that combines additive technologies and machining in one machine. Work on its creation was carried out jointly with the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation and the Industry Development Fund.

*** - Hybrid machine from Kalashnikov IZH H600:

* Allows to reduce the time of putting products into production up to 10 times and to multiply the productivity of the enterprise, which is extremely in demand both in the military and civilian spheres.

* Allows you to quickly make new items or prototypes without the need to equip the production with special tools and special equipment.

* Combines a combination of the technology of laser cladding of metal powder and 5-axis milling, allowing the production of parts and assembly units of complex geometric shapes weighing up to 300 kg and dimensions of 600 × 500 × 500 mm.

[L-39NG]

I don't want to underestimate anyone and, God forbid, humiliate anyone, but I have already seen a similar machine somewhere, and it was not from Kalashnikov. As they say in Russia, scratch a Russian and you will find a Tatar. In this case it will not be a Tatar. I don’t think I’m mistaken, although there’s a dime a dozen on different screens of different machines, maybe I confused something.

[Vadim237]

Probably these - but they have their own
The United Engine Corporation (UEC) of the Rostec State Corporation has developed the first 5-axis hybrid complex in Russia for the production of experimental parts for gas turbine engines. The CNC machining center combines 3D printing, machining and laser welding. The machine is already producing large-sized complex parts for the needs of the UEC.

The development has no analogues in terms of its technical characteristics and technological capabilities. The complex is designed for high-speed manufacturing of complex-profile large-sized parts for gas turbine engines by direct laser growth and mechanical processing. Unlike foreign analogues, it allows the production and high-precision processing of large-sized parts of gas turbine engines with dimensions up to 1100 × 600 × 600 mm and weighing up to 450 kg.

An individual control program is developed for each part, which is created on the basis of a design 3D model. First, the workpiece is grown from special heat-resistant metal powders. Then the complex automatically performs turning and milling, which allows you to get a completely finished part at the exit.
The project was implemented in the branch of JSC "UEC" "NIID" (Moscow) by order of JSC "UEC" in cooperation with the St. Petersburg Polytechnic University and LLC SKB "Stankostroenie" (Sterlitamak).

[bar]

Kalashnikov Group of Companies Presented an Innovative Invention IZH H600 Hybrid Machine

Cool. The only pity is that he is in photoshop. They also make motorcycles ...

[KVU-NSVD]

I still did not understand why he is better than the usual PKK

[svp67]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

I still did not understand why he is better than the usual PKK

The ability to change the barrel, which allows you to both use it in various combat situations, in particular as an assault, and maintain a high rate of fire, tape loading is simpler and more capacious than store loading ... And so of course you need to watch how it behaves when firing , what is the ballistics and balance, the ease of handling, what is the accuracy.

[SVD68]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

I still did not understand why he is better than the usual PKK

The tape feed and replaceable barrel allow you to fire in battle in long bursts.

[cat Rusich]

Victor, now it will be possible to use the "Scorpion cartridge feed system" by converting it to a tape with 5,45x39mm cartridges. In the United States, such a "backpack with cartridges" for 5,56x45mm holds 800-925 rounds, just a replaceable barrel will come in handy. True, officially "a backpack with Scorpion cartridges" is not adopted for service.

[psiho117]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

I still did not understand why he is better than the usual PKK

The fact that the tambourine on the PKK campaign is a skiff.
And without a tambourine, a "non-machine gun" cannot have the same density of fire as normal machine guns.
Conclusion - returned to the tape.

[Operator]

Translated into Russian - KK “didn’t manage” to make a capacious and light drum magazine, after which he rolled back to the tape and asked the MO for denyuzhka for a second “approach to the bar”.

It's time for QC to retrain as machine tool builders.

[svp67]

Quote: Operator

Translated into Russian - KK "couldn't" make a capacious and light drum magazine, after which it rolled back

RPK-16 has a drum magazine for 96 rounds. The transition to tape is a military requirement.

[Operator]

The keyword is "light".

[Ded_Mazay]

A drum magazine is never easy.

[Operator]

The same was said about the box of the cartridge tape until the cloth boxes appeared.

[Ded_Mazay]

The weight of the empty drum for the RPKS 7.62x39 for 75 rounds is 900 grams, the weight of a round box with an empty belt for the RPD for 100 rounds 7.62x39 is 800 grams. Drum and disc magazines by definition have a higher dead weight than magazines or tape boxes made from materials of comparable weight. Therefore, the "drum" is never easy.

[Operator]

The boxes have long been replaced by nylon bags weighing 250 grams.

[Ded_Mazay]

Quote: Operator

The boxes have long been replaced by nylon bags weighing 250 grams.

And in comparison with them, the "drum" is all the more lightweight. Moreover, it is structurally more complicated and more expensive.

[Operator]

About that and speech that happens - from a modern composite and with a different cartridge supply system than in the well-known drum.

[Ded_Mazay]

For instance? How much does such a miracle weigh, how much does it cost, how it works at high / low temperatures, how it transfers mechanical stress to the case, what is its resource in the end. In theory, this is simple - take another material and do it. But in practice, it is hemorrhagic. And again, whatever one may say, a belt with a cloth bag will still have a lower "dead weight" and a larger capacity in the same volume than any drum.

[Operator]

What is the problem with mixing carbon fiber with polyarylate and pouring it into a mold to obtain an impact-resistant body in a temperature range from -60 to +200 degrees?

In addition to the weight of the cloth bag, for comparison with the drum magazine, the weight of the cartridge belt links must be taken into account.

[Ded_Mazay]

Quote: Operator

What is the problem with mixing carbon fiber with polyarylate and pouring it into a mold to obtain an impact-resistant body in a temperature range from -60 to +200 degrees?

I have no idea. But if you haven't done it yet, then there is a problem.
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Quote: Operator

In addition to the weight of the cloth bag, for comparison with the drum magazine, the weight of the cartridge belt links must be taken into account.

See above the comparison of the mass of the RPK drum and the RPD box.

[D16]

IMHO this can be called a machine gun at a stretch. But in fact, a machine gun with a heavy barrel and a big, damn inconvenient store.

[We are for our]

So all machine guns are "machine guns with a heavy barrel and an inconvenient magazine.
If you don't like snails, order four-row box magazines, but the use of flying guns in handguns is some kind of ridiculous anachronism, which has no excuse.

[garri-lin]

Loose tape. Why not. There are two factors here. Weight and reliability. There is a tambourine for 96 rounds. We take a rattle (although the tarpaulins do not rattle) for 96 rounds and compare. Weight and number of ammunition delays. The result will not be announced to us.

[psiho117]

Quote: We are for our

So all machine guns are "machine guns with a heavy barrel and an inconvenient magazine.

Wrong. There are initially machine guns, and there are "under-machine guns" obtained from machine guns.

Quote: We are for our

If you don't like snails, order four-row box stores

unreliable is something that is different.

the use of tape in hand weapons is some kind of ridiculous anachronism

The tape and tape drive unit in the PCM is a highly reliable unit that has been worked out over the years. Another question is how it will be at 5,45 - there the cartridge is flimsy, and the effort on the tape drive is less ...
We will see.

[D16]

So all machine guns are "machine guns with a heavy barrel and an inconvenient magazine.

If you are talking about the PKK, then it is. But it was not in vain that they got rid of this misunderstanding with his 150 shots per minute. Four-row stores were never brought to meet the army's reliability requirements. In this case, I see an attempt to create a light machine gun with a combat rate of fire comparable to the PKM.

[Boris Chernikov]

oddly enough, but the RPK-16 would suit all sorts of specialists when equipped with ordinary magazines and barrels ...

[Boris Chernikov]

Well, it's like the military demanded a belt RP for themselves .. the whole joke is that the RPK-16 is a new machine gun and no one would take it for the sake of a conditional tambourine .. it would be easier to buy tambourines themselves ... and very few people wear tambourines for the RPK from the word in general .. basically they get by with "long" stores because of the convenience of wearing and equipment .. And in the case of a tape, then even before leaving, all the cartridges are hammered into tapes, which removes the question of combat use

[Operator]

A metal drum magazine for a hundred rounds weighs 1,2 kg; a nylon bag with a plastic top and metal links of loose strap for a hundred rounds weigh 0,6 kg.

Therefore, tambourines are not worn.

[Hydrography Bay Golden Horn]

And for me RPD is better, return it from the warehouses

[Ded_Mazay]

Interestingly, and when you with your -28000 rating, in less than 2 months, will be returned to the warehouse?

[beeper]

Thanks to dear Vladimir Onokoy for the detailed photos of the novelty!
They show more about the design of the RPL-20 than what is said in the text!
Unfortunately, there is only a hastily cobbled together-compiled "based on the Belgian М249 Minimi" ?! ) "working" composite "from the design solutions of the PC and RPK.
I do not believe that this is the final version, since outwardly there is still no laconic "harmony" of the design and there are many "non-growths" that are asking for revision, including from the point of view of future operators.
And, as I see from the photo, a quick change of the heated barrel in the RPL-20 is not provided (even with asbestos mittens, like those of Hitler's machine gunners, it will not work out quickly ?!) ?!
From the photo of the machine gun and the "history of machine gun business" itself, it is clear that the tape for flangeless cartridges 5,45x39 mm with an open link and the supply of cartridges to the barrel is "asking for" (for reference to novice "machine gunners" - such "one-story" feed allows you to save ~ 1 ÷ 1,5 kg of structure weight, in comparison with a "two-story" feed with a "cartridge reduction", as in a PC machine gun firing 7,62x54 mm flanged cartridges, which does not allow structurally to simply make a reliable feed of a cartridge by "asking" in one straight motion from the tape into the barrel chamber)!
I hope that together with the new machine-gun belt, Rakov's machine was also redesigned for "stuffing" it with cartridges ?! Since manually quickly equipping at least 100 cartridges into the tape is still a haemorrhage, even in the most "greenhouse conditions"!
The fact that with the belt light machine guns for the Russian army "the process has begun" - I am very glad! God willing, something sensible and it will turn out "at the exit", because "if you suffer for a long, long time, something will work out!"
It is depressing only the decades-long delay with this and the obvious disregard of the world experience in the design and combat operation of machine guns by modern Russian designers from KK, otherwise how to explain the apparent lack of the possibility of prompt replacement of the RPL-20 barrel during the battle (for the ideal of constructive support for such a barrel change, I would not even take our PC, and the German MG-42, as far as I remember, it took the trained Nazis a maximum of 7 seconds, or even half less for the very "machine gunners", with a warmed-up PC it won't work so quickly ??!) ?!
I would like to compare with Kovrov's developments on the topic "Turner" ?!

[Insurgent]

Quote: pishchak

for the ideal of constructive support for such a change in the barrel, I would not even take our PC, but the German MG-42 - as far as I remember, a maximum of 7 seconds was spent on it by the trained Nazis

In the presence of special asbestos mittens, which was included in the MG-42 package ...

It was worth losing it (and in war it is like a finger on the asphalt), and with the replacement of the barrel, the Nazis became oh, how bad ...
Do you remember that the MG does not have a handle like the PC (M)?

[beeper]

Of course I remember.

beeper
And, as I see from the photo, a quick change of the heated barrel in RPL-20 is not provided ( even with asbestos mittens, like Hitler's machine gunners, will not work quickly ?!) ?!

Read carefully, Insurgent!
Lying down to change (even in the dark) the barrel is much easier and easier on the MG-42 than on the PC!

[beeper]

The minus was not mine (apparently, one of the empty "offenders" -minusators swears at himself ), but I did not give you a usual plus to my counterpart, Insurgent, since you found fault with me in vain, because of your own inattention and, which has already become noticeable to many, your desire to "assert yourself" in this way ?!

[aglet]

"Only a decades-long delay is depressing."
there was no need to remove the RPD from service. no worse than this miracle

[beeper]

Quote: aglet

"Only a decades-long delay is depressing."
there was no need to remove the RPD from service. no worse than this miracle

Aka Akselbant, the RPD had a too long locking unit (for obvious reasons, interfering with the manufacture of a less expensive and more economical in production, light stamped receiver) and an organic lack of such "spacer (and" skewed ")" barrel locking schemes - overall high sensitivity to pollution (and this, coupled with the suboptimal weight distribution of the moving parts of the automation in the RPD, the a priori lowered energy of the "intermediate cartridge" and the supply of cartridges "asking for", with the combination in one cycle of very energy-consuming operations of shock extraction of the cartridge from the open spring link of the cartridge belt and sending it to chamber, and then locking the bore!) and frequent problems with the extraction and breakage of cases!
And also, the constructive impossibility of folding the butt (for arming the rapidly developing Soviet airborne troops in those years and the possibility of transportation in the emerging, then in the 60s, completely closed, with landing and disembarkation through narrow hatches, and not through the tops of the sides, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles and also - hassle-free dismounting of them)!
The thin and poorly cooled barrel of the RPD (like the barrel of the later and lighter RPK) could not withstand a truly machine-gun mode of fire in long bursts, and a quick-change barrel was not provided for solving this problem!
Therefore, with the emergence of a unified small arms system based on more reliable AKM and RPK, the degtyarevsky machine gun did not last long in service with the Soviet Army - its reserves were distributed-donated to warring Vietnam, Cambodia, Cuba, Africa, the Middle East, South America. ..!
And about "this miracle" I wrote above.
In my opinion, RPL-20, in all respects, is much more progressive than the former RPD, whatever one may say!
The idea of ​​the RPL-20 is interesting - I, for example, really liked the original design move, with the turning over (inversion), well-developed on the PC, of ​​the cartridge tape feed mechanism, in such a new capacity, allowing the use of a combined power supply with cartridges from a tape or from Kalashnikov box-type (drum ) of the magazine attached instead of the tape container!
If you work wisely with this "concept of a small-caliber machine gun" presented by KK in terms of the optimal layout and construction materials used, the choice of the optimal trigger and the implementation of automatic fire "from the rear sear (from an open bolt)", a quick-change barrel (since the small caliber of the barrel bore , energy and increased pressure of the powder gases of the 5,45x39 mm cartridge lead to a very rapid heating of the barrel with continuous firing in machine gun mode) and the gas regulator, rational design of the butt and support bipods, tuning of "body kits" and "licking outlines", it can turn out very even a good, simple, powerful and reliable model of a light machine gun (at least a kilogram lighter than the current "raw" RPL-20) is the basis of the firepower of a rifle unit that will really be loved in the army and can be proud of (and , it is quite successful and profitable to trade!)!
IMHO

[IS-80_RVGK2]

You have the wrong imha. It would be better to finish the normal PKK. A magazine for 96 rounds, in principle, is not needed, 75-85 is enough. Barrels replaceable for the army nafig are not needed. Better one normal long-playing. Everything else is also a fantasy of an infantile person who likes the shots of cowboys from minimi and wants the same toy, which does not have an adequate view of the machine gun necessary for the army.

[beeper]

Your speeches on your shoulders, IS-80! You come up with it yourself, you deny it, but the culture of you is so rushing!
Where am I advocating store for 96 rounds, you definitely read about it from me, do not rave, IS-80 ??!
About your

Barrels replaceable for the army nafig are not needed. Better one normal long-playing.

I wonder how you are "this one is normal long-playing (GUN BARREL!)" imagine in metal, and not in your really infantile, empty fantasies (keep in mind that the speed of bullets is 5,45 mm under 1000 m / s and the pressure of powder gases per unit area of ​​the bore is much higher than the speed of 7,62 mm bullets and pressure in the barrel of the same "single-barrel" version of the PK-"Pecheneg") ??!
So, IS-80, this is a rather controversial issue, which of us has a "wrong imkha" - it is quite obvious to me that "your imkha is wrong", because it is completely absurd and "unreasonable (neither from an engineering or military point of view !) "!

[IS-80_RVGK2]

And what is your point of view justified? This is not the first year that I have heard about replaceable barrels and about the Russian analogue of the minimums that we desperately need. And every time this shitty reasoned opinion is, if at all, reasoned by a completely incompetent person.

[aglet]

For two years I wore a rifle regiment for shooting ranges, in battle, thank God, I did not have to use it. there were never any delays, although all the shooting was combined with tactical exercises, the only thing more difficult than the RPK, and more, no problems. the density of fire can give no less than the RPK, to the machine gunner - on the drum, as the bolt is locked, by skewing, or turning, and the durability is quite high. God forbid, war, a machine gun will be cheaper than a machine gunner. It was not worse than the RPK

[beeper]

Quote: aglet

For two years I wore a rifle regiment for shooting ranges, in battle, thank God, I did not have to use it. there were never any delays, although all the shooting was combined with tactical exercises, the only thing more difficult than the RPK, and more, no problems. the density of fire can give no less than the RPK, to the machine gunner - on the drum, as the bolt is locked, by skewing, or turning, and the durability is quite high. God forbid, war, a machine gun will be cheaper than a machine gunner. It was not worse than the RPK

Who can argue, aka Akselbant ?! Plus from me, for your love for RPD and protection of his memory!
For a peaceful "time", parades and shooting ranges (with regular cleaning and lubrication, under the close supervision of commanders and an art master), the RPD was suitable, but in military operations, in Vietnam, it showed itself not very reliable (although, in the Vietnamese In the jungle, American M60 machine guns were much more capricious in terms of reliability, yes!)!
The RPD was also afraid of sand, but for the late 40s-early 50s this light machine gun was a real breakthrough for our army, it would have been for our grandfathers and fathers in the Great Patriotic War, based on which he was V.A. Degtyarev (like FV Tokarev, an adherent of pre-war weapon technologies with a predominance of mechanical processing and metalwork finishing of parts, and not stamping!) Was created!
And the RPD was more expensive (than the RPK) for the treasury, the production cycle is longer, due to the high labor intensity and metal consumption of production, in wartime it would be completely unreasonable.
I agree with you that specific "The machine gunner - on the drum, like the bolt is locked, by skewing, or turning, and the durability is high enough. God forbid, war, ...." After all, he is a military man, forced, and does not choose machine guns for himself, what the commanders gave him, he serves with that weapon, even if he has some personal preferences in the systems of machine guns!
That the machine gunner, that the machine gun are "consumables" of the war, for him, as a priority target, everyone hunts on the battlefield, shooters and artillerymen, and therefore the machine gunner has much less chances to survive (and a machine gun, it happens that it repeatedly experiences and changes its "first numbers" are like gloves, about the killed "second numbers" are rarely remembered - after the war, falling intact in museums with a corresponding memorial plate "from this machine gun shot the GSS namerek, died, bravely repelling the attacks of a superior enemy, .... supporting the offensive of his subdivisions .... ") than a simple machine gunner!
And the demand from him is high - his machine gun should not fail in battle!
Yes, and the physical activity of a machine gunner is incomparable with a submachine gunner, SPS, machine-gun trenches are larger + spare firing positions must be equipped, although on the march other soldiers of the unit help to carry tape cartridges, but the "body" has to be carried on the battlefield. .... hence, the wearable weight of a machine gun with ammunition is important, with a firepower and range of actual fire commensurate with the combat missions!
But for the state treasury, the cheapness of the purchase and operation of a machine gun is very important, with the optimal ratio of the "cost / efficiency" indicator, and this all depends on the appropriate design of the weapon and the manufacturability of its mass production, including in wartime - this is vitally important for the state!
And believe me, as a design engineer, technologist and toolmaker, who, at one time, was quite familiar with various systems of small arms and artillery weapons and their use, once, a long time ago, at the beginning of his life, he studied in detail the initial and modernized versions of the RPD , in which he was selflessly in love - 7,62 mm, that still, our Soviet RPK is a simpler and more reliable machine gun than the 7,62 mm RPD, so this degtyarevsky machine gun was completely correctly removed from the armament of our Soviet Army and replaced with 7,62 mm Kalashnikov RPK and RPKS!
IMHO

[K-50]

RPL-20 is designed for 5,45X39 mm cartridge, belt feed for machine gun, belt is also developed in concern. Cartridge box for 100 rounds.

For me, it’s faster to change a drum for 94 rounds when firing than a belt for 100 rounds.
Is it worth it to transfer the extra money?

[gorenina91]

For me, it's faster to change a drum for 94 rounds when firing than a tape for 100 rounds

-I'm not a specialist personally; but you are probably right ...
-Here in the video material you can see ... -when they shoot with the tape, it dangles so much that it seems that this tape may be skewed ... -Maybe it only seems so ...
-Yes, and once it is possible to change the trunks; then why not also use the opportunity to replace it with a barrel chambered for 7,62x39 ...; and not only chambered for 5,45 × 39 mm ...

[We are for our]

Regarding the failures, you are absolutely right, there will always be more of them with a more complex tape feed than with a simple store feed.
It makes no sense to make a weapon under 7,62 * 39, the cartridge is not relevant in modern conditions.

[psiho117]

Quote: We are for our

It makes no sense to make a weapon under 7,62 * 39, the cartridge is not relevant in modern conditions.

it still makes sense - both as an export option, and to mining units, and FSB-shniki, users of the 104 may also be interested.

the cartridge is not relevant in modern conditions

there are some OBD conditions in which a heavier bullet takes precedence over a lighter 5,45. Therefore, the "seven" should not be written off - it has its own niche.
cons are not mine

[cat Rusich]

Irina, if I am not mistaken, tapes for 25 cartridges exist and are used, which are connected into a tape with whatever size you want or can. When firing, the extreme 26th cartridge is thrown away and a piece of tape falls off, then you can collect the pieces of the tape and equip them again, the pieces are connected to each other by the cartridge as on loose links. If you are talking about feeding the tape, then you can use the "sleeve for feeding the tape". There is a "bag for cartridges" in it tape for 800 rounds ... is that enough for you?

[gorenina91]

-You can add something else, if the trunks can be replaced; what if one barrel is chambered for the NATO 5.56x45 cartridge (this cartridge generally has a large number of modifications) ... -I think that this can always come in handy ...

[cat Rusich]

Irina, you won't be able to change "American crap" to "Orthodox-Russian crap" - you will need to change EVERYTHING, except for the butt and bipod ... We'll have to change all the "insides" of the RPL-20 in other words.

[psiho117]

Quote: cat Rusich

"Orthodox-Russian crap" will not work

So here he is:
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/9261163
Stick a tape drive into this AK-19 - and voila!

[gorenina91]

changing "American crap" to "Orthodox-Russian crap" will not work

- Horseradish and radish ... - this is not an Elephant and a Pug ... - And ... as for universality; then the weapon of the 21st century should have become universal for a long time ... -And, if for this it is necessary to make the "insides" of the newest machine gun universal ... -that is necessary (and necessary) to do ... -And nothing special should be changed will not have to ... -If there is already a Russian weapon, where the barrels can be changed and pop Russian cartridges ... -and under 7,62x39 and under 5,45 × 39 ... -and this is ...- also for "insides "the same weapon is quite problematic ...

[cat Rusich]

Irina, in Japan and Britain there is left-hand traffic - why don't they make cars with a steering wheel that can be rearranged from left to right?

[gorenina91]

, in Japan and Britain, left-hand traffic - why don't they make cars with a steering wheel that can be rearranged from left to right?

-Ha .. -That's exactly, when they are at war, then ... then tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, VTR-s and other equipment ...- in battle they do not follow the rules of the road ... -Then columns of prisoners are driven through the streets by the winners ... -on any side of the street; along which it is customary for these winners to move, observing the rules of the road ... -And here in Russia, by the way ... - all cars (including right-hand drive vehicles) move only by observing our traffic rules ...
- As for the weapon, it should always shoot towards the enemy ... - regardless of who produced it and what type and caliber ammunition for it; if there are no weapons and ammunition of our Russian production nearby ...
-Well, "our cartridges" ran out; and nearby there are just mountains of boxes of NATO cartridges (and there are really whole mountains of them even in Western Europe) ... - And what ... - personally, you will not use NATO cartridges if you have something to shoot them from (and you ran out of your own ) ... -Change the barrel, maybe the gas piston will have to be changed) and shoot ... -To win, all means are good ... -Sorry ...- for some pathos ...

[aglet]

"And what ... - you personally will not use NATO ammunition, if you have something to shoot them from (and you run out of your own) ... -Change the barrel, maybe the gas piston will have to be changed) and shoot ..."
easier, faster and more reliable - pick up their machine gun, and shoot, shoot ...

[gorenina91]

easier, faster and more reliable - pick up their machine gun, and shoot, shoot ...

-And "theirs machine gun" is broken ... -and they managed to escape (with their weapons), change positions ... -but after them there were boxes of ammunition ...
-Yes, and then ... -from "their machine gun" and automatic rifles, you still have to get used to shooting ... -and shoot accurately ... -And with your machine gun you will give them such heat ... -So the NATO barrel can always come in handy ... - against the NATO members themselves ...

[aglet]

"-And" their machine gun "is broken ... -and they managed to escape (with their weapons), change positions ... -but after them there were boxes of ammunition ..."
and you lost all spare and replaceable barrels - their second number is, and he was killed from the plane, and what? and constantly carry an extra barrel - 3kg, in the hope - what if? Yes, any normal soldier will love it, while these cartridges will go en masse

[gorenina91]

and constantly carry an extra barrel - 3kg, in the hope - what if?

-Well, you were dropped off by parachutes ... -You completed the task ... -And then you yourself got into trouble ... -the cartridges ran out ... -the NATO weapons could not be captured; a lot of NATO ammunition ... -changed the barrel ... -and when the NATO officials hoped to capture you (thinking that you had practically used up all the ammunition); and they hoped to take you prisoner ... - here you have them ...
-In short ...- it can be continued indefinitely ...
- Personally, I believe that such a trunk will not hurt ... - Well, hide it in your trouser leg; and then suddenly use it as a club, if it really weighs 3 kg, then this is a rather formidable weapon ... -After you shoot NATO cartridges ... -Hahah ...

[aglet]

"-Personally, I believe that such a barrel will not hurt .."
you probably never carried extra trunks

[cat Rusich]

Irina, you will have to change the bolt, the chamber ... As an example - GAZ-66 for A-76 and a foreign car (for example "Mercedes" Fritz) for AI-95. You are driving a GAZ-66 on the territory of the Federal Republic of Germany, you ran out of gasoline, all the Mercedes cars in the district are broken or burned, you are standing at a whole gas station full of AI-95 gasoline ... what to do? - get a "spare motor" running on the AI-95, which you carry with you just in case of "fire emergency" ... it will not be difficult for you to change the motor on your own in the field. , and you also carry a diesel engine with you just in case.

[Ded_Mazay]

Of course, it is faster to change, but tape feed is significantly more reliable than drum feed. And, as far as I understand, the dead weight of a 100-round tape in a cloth hopper is less than a 94-round drum, even if it is made of plastic.

[We are for our]

but tape feed is noticeably more reliable than drum feed.

I don’t know about the drums, but all tape-powered handguns are so-so reliable. The fabric box is not yet known how it will manifest itself in operation.

[Boris Chernikov]

this is currently for 100 rounds, it is not difficult to do for 200, but there is no tambourine for 200 rounds

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

This is how the machine gun finds the target itself, strikes it ... ... For FILMS, you need to understand, the product ...

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

The author of the machine gun, and run, shoot you with your microscope in the trenches where they fight, in a word ... You won't know new words about yourself ...

[Maxim_ok]

Finally, the domestic "Minimi"

[Split]

Is the tape as always loose? I didn't see something ... like for PKM, EMNIP, there is a plastic loose

[cat Rusich]

Anatoly, there is a tape for PCM for 25 rounds, then connect the tape for 100, 200 ... 800 rounds.

[Bobik012]

20 rounds. Just the pack fits

[garri-lin]

And not a word about the tape. Although there are many different conversations. Non-metallic is of interest. Will bring to mind. Or won't they?

[GennadyLev]

Thank you all for the discussion. I learned a lot of new things.
My experience as a kid was shooting from Goryunov and that's it.
I would like to know something about four-row box stores
Thank you in advance, but I don’t know what I donate. Is that a link

https://mathship.com/030publishedarticles/IceAge2100rus.pdf

that the New Ice Age will begin at 2100

[dgonni]

KK did not succeed in minimi. Kord 5.45, although it has a double power supply, and Kalashnikov finally condescended to switch from the acanoid layout scheme to firing from an open bolt and tape. But given that all the technology of the Kalashnikovs is geared towards the production of AK, even having created a normal KK machine gun, it will not be able to produce it. Example? We look at the AK-12 presented by the GDP and the fact that under this name these are 2 different devices. So while KK will continue to push the imperfections of the rework, there will be no sense.

[Real Pilot]

The "war of calibers" continues.
Americans say everything about 6,5mm Grendell, today I just watched a vidos about him. Praise, talk about a potential transition from 5,56. Like 7,62 and 5,56 are better ...

But do we need to change horses so radically? 5,45 has proven itself positively. A 5,45 belt-fed machine gun is needed.

The industry works.
This is good news, let them do it. Even if they are not adopted, the scientific school will be supported. This is someone's project, former students are studying, leaders are proactive, the design bureau is breathing ...

As the teacher of Baumanki speak
Out of hundreds and thousands, one genius comes ... What if, after dozens of mid-range products, suddenly BREAKTHROUGH!

[aglet]

"The Americans say everything about 6,5mm Grendell, today I just watched a vidos about him. Praise, they talk about a potential transition from 5,56. Like 7,62 and 5,56 are better .."
and the meaning? the difference in calibers in fractions of mm and even in whole mm, what does it give? you need to make a normal weapon, under the existing cartridge, and not create a bunch of calibers for different conditions, and then a bunch of barrels for them.

[Operator]

Quote: Ded_Mazay

if not done yet, then there is a problem

... the fans of metal boxes argued when they were asked to make nylon ones.

[Ded_Mazay]

But this is, excuse me, demagoguery.

[Wolf]

Machine gun, what is the main purpose?
The story begins with World War 1. And German Maxim. And what did he serve? Then the tactics of military action was that the soldiers walked closely with each other like on a shooting range and machine guns only had to shoot with a burst of great accuracy, weight and caliber were not important.
In World War 2, accuracy and weight were already taken into account and the German MG43 appeared. Because the tactical military action was a lot of bistria, the soldiers took cover and were not so immobile, did not blindly walk to the pool.
Experience from the 99g war. , where there was a PKM (we called it TSETSA), no machine gun in a caliber less than 7,62mm did not have a close result, neither the Belgian nor the United States nor the German M43 (perhaps, the accuracy is not that, capricious).
What is the use of a 5,45 or 5,56 light machine gun today? The soldiers have good body armor, they move tactically in a bistro, and they occupy closed bistros. Pula 5,56 where the forest and stone shelter are not effective, the pula leaves. Swamp straw bricks set pool and so on.
Modern automatic weapons like the AK 12 or the A 545 have almost the same effect. Who is shooting long bursts from one place today? Bistro sniper or RB will take him away.
Today, we need a light machine gun, but sufficient strength with a bullet so that the bi-brick did not stop the bullet or the edges did not change the flight of the bullet, accuracy and firing range.
For today and for the future, a machine gun in caliber 5, 45 and 5,56 is not needed by the erection except for ramming civilians.
Simulate the battlefield today and put a luby machine gun in caliber 5,45 and 5,56 and PKM against and Tsetz clean them like cockroaches.
But the weight is 9kg.
If you didn't carry a machine gun weighing more than 10kg, it doesn't matter to you, but the soldier gets tired and the accuracy decreases as the battle goes on.
Running one change of caliber is the same as running one of progress, today the 5,45 and 5,56 calibers are ALREADY OUTDATE, and tomorrow there will be an anachronism.
Grendel 6,5mm already for an automatic rifle may be optimal, but for NATO, and keeping track of them means their mistake will be repeated.
120 years ago, before the First World War, the 7 × 57 caliber appeared and showed itself both interesting and interesting. Soldiers were fond of these rifles. Easy, excellent balistic characteristics, took home after the war.
Can it be easy to look for a machine gun in the 7mm caliber, and eliminate the unit minus the PKM weight?

Today, making a machine gun in caliber 5,56 and 5,45 is ridiculous!

[Note]

Again 25. Something incomprehensible is going on. Mikhail Timofeevich would not be delighted, to put it mildly. After all, the word unification is the most basic in the shooting system. Well, how to explain to people who do not know the realities of a big war, that it is more important for a soldier to have several samples of reliable, well-known weapons, parts of which are interchangeable, than 100 samples of which nothing can be folded, and it is difficult to replace one wounded soldier by giving another his weapon ? Well, what did not suit the RPK 74? It is clear that RPK 16 is its modernization and nothing more. Well, the planks were trimmed with plastic and the store was made for 96 rounds. Well, fine, does it work? As usual. And then why is there a tape feed and a new sample in which completely different components of the mechanisms. Well, why is it better in this light machine gun than a store gun, it's not a PC of a different caliber with a wider range of tasks on the battlefield. Again, there is a negligent attitude towards funds. Yes, it would be understandable if the Concern had created a new concept of small arms, individual and group weapons, even for a completely new type of ammunition, also created by it from scratch, which together would have undeniable advantages over the existing ones. Then you can already begin to think about the process of implementation, rearmament and the feasibility of this. And here there is a clear stagnation, a personnel crisis of the research institutes, and an overabundance of managers and PR specialists.

[Ded_Mazay]

Quote: Note

Well, what did not suit the RPK 74?

The fact that the PKK is not a machine gun.
We look at GOST 28653-90 "Small arms. Terms and definitions"
"Machine gun is an automatic small arms long continuous shooting..."
And the PKK is not adapted to its conduct due to design features, just the same due to almost complete unification with the AK. In fact, this is the same machine gun, but with an elongated barrel and a "tambourine" instead of a "horn".

[Note]

Oh yes, MO order. And who from the Ministry of Defense will specifically answer later when trouble comes, it is necessary to fight, and our army is more reminiscent of the Indian in armament? Moreover, the request was clearly not born from those who will then crawl with weapons. Another armchair warrior, having seen a picture on the internet, by poking his finger, created another problem for the soldier.

[Wolf]

I did not say that it should be repeated exactly as it was 120 years ago, but about 7mm to look for something like that. Didn't know for 280 British. 7x57 cartridge for rifles, 5,56 for a machine gun is also funny today.

[Wolf]

Rifle in 7x57mm caliber

[saygon66]

- "Mauser" some kind, tunnels?

[Wolf]

This is a Serbian Mauser from 1892 or 1899, I don’t remember, in 7x57mm caliber, a wonderful shot, for this time the very top of the world. Made in Kragujevets Voeno Technically Factory.

[Wolf]

In fact, it was a rework (a new modernization ) old Mauser caliber 10,13mm for 7x57 and the rifle got a magazine for 5 rounds.

[Yellow bubble]

I didn't see anything new, it was high time to release something like that. But advertising, as if they saw a flying saucer.

[Chever]

An interesting sample. Good luck to the creators

[uav80]

Quote: bar

They also make motorcycles ...

These are more electric mopeds than motorcycles ...
Outwardly, only the old Izh and that lurid turned out ...
The motor plant in Izhevsk has long been closed and sold ...

[Diviz]

Changing the barrel on a sniper rifle is cool. There is also a titanium barrel for the campaign. In cod when to appear.?
5.45 destructive power is small. If any explosive cartridge is made.

[Romanenko]

It is very interesting to see a tarpaulin tape box on the RPL. An interesting solution, and apparently this is also one of the "cherries on the cake" of this device.
How will it behave in the field, unlike metal, of course, it has many advantages, but will it not "catch" cartridges for bullets and interfere with shooting in practical use?
Although, I'll make a reservation again, I personally liked the canvas bag instead of the box

[psiho117]

Quote: Romanenko

but won't it "catch" bullets and interfere with shooting in practical use?

No, bullets don't cling to the tarpaulin
The only negative is that if you soak it in slush and then freeze, there may be problems.
But this issue is solved by high-quality moisture-repellent impregnation of the fabric base.

[senima56]

Interesting: how quickly does the barrel change? As far as I know, on the RPL-16, the barrel was selected and installed in advance before going on a mission, depending on the upcoming conditions of fire contact. If it was supposed to shoot in an open area - a long barrel, if in urban conditions - a short one! There was no question of any "barrel changelessness"!

[Yermek Toleubayev]

In this regard, the German MG-4 and 5 from HC look great, right? Barrel change can be done with one hand in 2-4 seconds!

[Yermek Toleubayev]

I wonder if a quick barrel change is implemented? And the type of tape - loose or solid? And so a beautiful machine gun

[bunta]

Strictly following in line with the policy of the consumer society, our concern, known for its innovations, presented a new product - a light machine gun chambered for a low-impulse belt-fed RPL-20 cartridge. This immediately arouses keen interest and a lot of questions, some of which we will try to answer.

http://www.kalibr.tv/?p=5245

[Bobik012]

Quote: Hagen

Share your experience, how did you "shoot" him?

Well, how !? I took it and shot it .... So that I don't suffer! :-)

[Bobik012]

Quote: Insurgent

we do not have a second number on the staff to carry all the stuff (additional BK and trunk), but

And that the "gunner-machine gunner's assistant" was excluded from the squad? When marching, he drags the second barrel. And the second box. The machine gunner, usually right-flank in the squad, as the healthiest one, was assisted by the second, next to him. This was practiced at least 35 years ago. Only the assistant grenade launcher is more tense - there is a bag with grenades. But you can't drag boxes with cartridges :-)