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"Belt light machine gun": Kalashnikov showed RPL-20

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"Belt light machine gun": Kalashnikov showed RPL-20

Concern Kalashnikov on the eve of the international forum "Army-2020" showed a new RPL-20 light machine gun, which is being developed by order of the Ministry of Defense.


As stated in the concern itself, the new machine gun was created on the basis of the RPK-16 light machine gun with the introduction of certain changes based on the results of experimental military operation. At the moment, only a prototype machine gun has been created, which is being factory tested.

During military tests of an experimental batch of RPK-16 machine guns - including their combat use - the Ministry of Defense was able to clarify the requirements for this type weapons... Work on the RPK-16 was carried out on an initiative basis, but now we are engaged in the creation of a light machine gun already within the framework of the state defense order

- said earlier the head of the concern Dmitry Tarasov.


Kalashnikov's specialists reported that the RPL-20 was created for the 5,45X39 mm cartridge, the machine gun was powered by a belt, the belt was also developed by the concern. Cartridge box for 100 rounds. There is a possibility of changing the barrel, a double-sided fuse, a folding stock with an adjustable cheek. Weight depending on the length of the barrel: with a short barrel - 5,2 kg, with a long barrel - 5,5 kg. The machine gun is equipped with a Picatinny rail for attaching sights and other devices. All types of optical and collimator sights are installed on the machine gun.

The new machine gun will be officially presented at the Army-2020 international military-technical forum.


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  1. senima56
    senima56 22 August 2020 15: 10 New
    16
    "The machine gun is created on the basis of the RPK-16 light machine gun" - in my opinion, the new machine gun (thank God!) Has nothing from the RPK-16! negative negative
    This is a brand new machine gun and good luck to the designers! good
    1. fiberboard
      fiberboard 22 August 2020 16: 05 New
      11
      And why is the RPK-16 bad?
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 22 August 2020 16: 23 New
        +5
        "Belt light machine gun": Kalashnikov showed RPL-20

        Quote: fiberboard
        And why is the RPK-16 bad?


        An obvious and expected question "not a machine gunner"(a person who has not actually encountered the PKK and PK (M)).

        Nothing worse or better. He's just different. With a different power system. With its own advantages and disadvantages.

        Personally, I will "keep my fists" so that the 5,45 caliber machine gun will finally appear in the RF Armed Forces. The urgency of this is.
        There are also developments, such as "Kord 5,45" with universal store-and-tape power supply, and so the RPL -20 ...
        1. senima56
          senima56 22 August 2020 18: 58 New
          +6
          I also like "Kord 5.45"! But only I do not hear about his "state tests" or that he will be presented at "Army 2020"!
          It's a shame, but it seems that "at the top" someone once and finally decided: "Kalashnikov" for all time! "
          I am not against Kalashnikov, but the competition must be fair and healthy! And if "Kord 5.45" turns out to be better, then we must honestly admit it and take it into service!
          1. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 27 August 2020 00: 00 New
            0
            no better .. the topic Turner and Turner-2, due to the military's requirement for "universal" loading, made the machine gun too complicated, expensive and heavy ... By the way, I would not be surprised if the Kovrovites make a feint with their ears and put up a self-made Turner with only tape power
        2. fiberboard
          fiberboard 22 August 2020 19: 53 New
          12
          You are a little mistaken, I worked with PKM in the mountains for a year. In addition, I also communicated with the PKK. These are completely different machine guns for different purposes. I think the RPK-16 as a squad gun is good. PKM machine gun is heavier, group weapon and less maneuverable. And I think it is inappropriate to replace the PKK with it. The new machine gun has boxes with ribbons, they must be dragged across the battlefield. Somewhere to replenish ammunition. This is hemorrhoids. It is a hybrid between PKM and PKK.
          1. aglet
            aglet 23 August 2020 11: 20 New
            -3
            "The new machine gun has boxes of ribbons, they have to be dragged around the battlefield. Somewhere to replenish ammunition. It's hemorrhoids."
            Ash tree stump, the RPK has self-propelled stores, even, sometimes, they carry a machine gunner, and there is no need to replenish ammunition, he does not run out of ammunition. but in an amicable way, both the store and the tape have their advantages. therefore, both those and those are needed. for different conditions
      2. Ingenegr
        Ingenegr 22 August 2020 16: 53 New
        +5
        He's not good. Certainly not as good as QC marketers imagine it to be.
        And this is not an "opinion from the couch", but a picture obtained in six months of torment with this "miracle machine gun".
        1. panov_panov
          panov_panov 22 August 2020 17: 06 New
          +7
          If you had a chance to work with him, what exactly are his shortcomings? What didn't you like?
          1. Ingenegr
            Ingenegr 22 August 2020 19: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: panov_panov
            If you had a chance to work with him, what exactly are his shortcomings? What didn't you like?

            In short, the disadvantages of the RPK-16 boil down to an inconvenient and non-rigid bipod, an extremely unreliable drum magazine, a method for installing an OOEP, and a barrel attachment point.
    2. Maz
      Maz 22 August 2020 18: 10 New
      +9
      Quote: senima56
      "The machine gun is created on the basis of the RPK-16 light machine gun" - in my opinion, the new machine gun (thank God!) Has nothing from the RPK-16! negative negative
      This is a brand new machine gun and good luck to the designers! good

      I just looked and immediately remembered the Belgian light machine gun, almost one-on-one in appearance. And this bag, in my opinion on Israeli machine guns, is about the same?
      FN Minimi - 5,56 × 45 mm light machine gun manufactured by FN Herstal (Belgium), serial production began in the 1980s. The development of this weapon was given to the promising designer Ernest Vervier, the creator of the FN MAG machine gun.
      1. Stas1973
        Stas1973 22 August 2020 18: 54 New
        +1
        I wanted to write on the previous answers - take it by the minimum and rework it. And do not fuss to fence a vegetable garden.
        1. MORDVIN13rus
          MORDVIN13rus 23 August 2020 20: 11 New
          +1
          And that its developed counterparts chtol were not? Immediately appeal to the most offended nation.
      2. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 22 August 2020 20: 44 New
        +2
        Quote: Maz
        I just looked and immediately remembered the Belgian light machine gun, almost one-on-one in appearance. And this bag, in my opinion on Israeli machine guns, is about the same?

        Maz, here's a picture of the Negev. I will help.
        1. Maz
          Maz 22 August 2020 22: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: Maki Avellevich
          Quote: Maz
          I just looked and immediately remembered the Belgian light machine gun, almost one-on-one in appearance. And this bag, in my opinion on Israeli machine guns, is about the same?

          Maz, here's a picture of the Negev. I will help.



          one two and three please note
          1. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 23 August 2020 06: 25 New
            0
            Quote: Maz
            one two and three please note

            FN MAG. of all times and peoples.
            for me anyway.
    3. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 26 August 2020 23: 58 New
      0
      there is a lot in common) the scheme itself, barrels and everything else .. just the machine gun is made taking into account the theme a la AK-12 mod. 2020.well, and tape ammunition more)
  2. Coconut
    Coconut 22 August 2020 15: 13 New
    +2
    Awesome contraption ... I would have one in '88 at the shooting range ... and then the standard PC twisted my shoulder ... (they shot the remaining zinc after the combined arms exercises)
    1. phair
      phair 22 August 2020 16: 08 New
      +1
      Yes on the shooting range and Lewis nothing (with ammunition). And with this colander crawled out of the swamp, I would try. At the shooting range :)
    2. mat-vey
      mat-vey 23 August 2020 10: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Coco
      Awesome contraption ... I would have one in '88 at the shooting range ... but then a standard PC twisted my whole shoulder

      I certainly apologize for the tediousness ..... And how would he help? PC - cartridges 7,62x54 here 5,45x39 ... how?
      1. Ded_Mazay
        Ded_Mazay 23 August 2020 14: 54 New
        0
        Facepalm ... A man's shoulder would not be ironed like a pkm! What the hell is not clear here !?
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 23 August 2020 15: 51 New
          -2
          Naturally, I would not "iron out" - 7,62x54 into the barrel under 5,45x39 you cannot insert it ... even with a hammer ... and attention - there will be no recoil and the shoulder will remain intact - the same option ... only hand over the rest of the cartridges given ....
  3. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 22 August 2020 15: 15 New
    -5
    It looks slightly "delicate", but not repulsive.
    How to understand:
    the tape is also developed in the concern.
    Is that the old one does not fit? Then it's bad.
    1. Kolin
      Kolin 22 August 2020 15: 28 New
      33
      There was no serial belt for 5,45 at all, as well as a serial machine belt gun.
      1. Sahalinets
        Sahalinets 22 August 2020 18: 04 New
        +3
        So there are no machines for stuffing tapes with 5,45 cartridges. Do they offer to manually equip the tape?
        1. aglet
          aglet 23 August 2020 11: 23 New
          -2
          for the amount that is, you can manually. and then they don't think
        2. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 27 August 2020 00: 03 New
          0
          while they are silent, but I think they will come up with something ... but more complicated than a meat grinder
    2. svp67
      svp67 22 August 2020 15: 33 New
      +5
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      the tape is also developed in the concern.
      Is that the old one does not fit? Then it's bad.

      Was it chambered for the 5,45x39 cartridge?
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 22 August 2020 15: 44 New
        0
        Yeah ... Then I see. I only shot PKT once, so I don't know. Thank you enlightened.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 22 August 2020 16: 53 New
          0
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          I only shot PKT once,

          Share your experience, how did you "shoot" him?
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 22 August 2020 17: 14 New
            +6
            Paired in a tank. Only it was almost thirty years ago. The device was inserted into the barrel. One looks, the other in the tower adjusts the mount with the keys. When the "cross" coincided with the target, the device was removed, a tape for ten rounds was charged, and a burst was made. At the end, a parsing near the target. Everything is described in the instructions for firing.
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 22 August 2020 17: 19 New
              +4
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              The device was inserted into the barrel. One looks, the other in the tower adjusts the mount with keys

              I thought so. I did this on the BMP. Also thirty years ago. This, more correctly, is the alignment of the PKT and the sight on the KVM (control and alignment target) ...
      2. Nehist
        Nehist 22 August 2020 16: 21 New
        +5
        Was! Under the new machine gun PU-21 "Poplin" TSNIITOCHMASH was made in the 70s. They considered it difficult to manufacture both the machine gun itself and the belt
        1. svp67
          svp67 22 August 2020 16: 24 New
          0
          Quote: Nehist
          Was! Under the new machine gun PU-21 "Poplin"

          Do you think that they will take her from that project? I doubt it. They can take it as a basis, but they will bring something of their own, so as not to share glory
          1. Nehist
            Nehist 22 August 2020 23: 02 New
            +3
            From him and took A. M. Kalashnikov was also involved in this project. At the same time, they developed everything that the Belgians applied in their minimi, but later. By the way, an original PU (feeder) was developed, which could, as an option, be hooked to any automatic shooter and use a tape feed. So the USSR used nothing new again.
            1. MORDVIN13rus
              MORDVIN13rus 23 August 2020 21: 01 New
              +1
              This SPU was developed within the framework of the Poplin theme
    3. Insurgent
      Insurgent 22 August 2020 16: 27 New
      -1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      the tape is also developed in the concern.
      Is that the old one does not fit? Then it's bad.

      And what is "old" in your opinion?
      What kind of belt-fed weapon chambered for 5,45x39 in service?
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 22 August 2020 16: 33 New
        +1
        You ask belatedly. I have already received the answer to the question, and I also provided explanations for the lack of education.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 22 August 2020 16: 34 New
          0
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          You ask belatedly. I have already received the answer to the question, and I also provided explanations for the lack of education.

          Alas, I did not notice. Thanks for the answer.

          But it is obvious that the point is not in "ignorance", but in the fact that you simply did not carefully read the material: Kalashnikov's specialists reported that the RPL-20 was created for the 5,45X39 mm cartridge, the machine gun was powered by a belt, the belt was also developed in the concern , hurried to ask a question without bothering to match that PKT that you "shot"has a tape chambered for 7,62x54R ...
      2. swzero
        swzero 24 August 2020 11: 22 New
        -1
        From RPD, what tape will not work with? The casings are kind of the same for 5.45 and 7.62x39 as is the length of the cartridge.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 24 August 2020 11: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: swzero
          From RPD-46, why won't the tape fit? The sleeves are kind of the same for 5.45 and 7.62x39


          The cartridges are different, the casings are different, and the tape, accordingly, will not work.

          Purely visually noticeable, even without specifying dimensions.

  4. Asad
    Asad 22 August 2020 15: 15 New
    -5
    I am not an expert in small arms from the word ,, at all ,, The question is, is this machine gun a breakthrough compared to eg MG42 or just evolution?
    1. svp67
      svp67 22 August 2020 15: 34 New
      +4
      Quote: ASAD
      The question is, is this machine gun a breakthrough compared to the MG42, for example, or is it just evolution?

      This machine gun of a different concept, MG42 must be compared with the "Pecheneg"
      1. Asad
        Asad 22 August 2020 15: 37 New
        +3
        Thank! I speak far from the shooter!
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 22 August 2020 16: 15 New
        +5
        This machine gun of a different concept, MG42 must be compared with the "Pecheneg"

        Absolutely.
      3. John22
        John22 22 August 2020 17: 16 New
        0
        These are machine guns of different calibers - how to compare them?
      4. Zufei
        Zufei 23 August 2020 11: 28 New
        0
        Does the PK / PKM have a replaceable barrel?
        1. Valtimchenko
          Valtimchenko 23 August 2020 18: 01 New
          0
          > Does the PK / PKM have a replaceable barrel?
          Yes, why?
        2. Zufei
          Zufei 24 August 2020 06: 50 New
          -1
          Is the replacement of the barrel at the PC provided for overheating? Right in the field, in 3 seconds?
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 24 August 2020 12: 23 New
            +1
            Quote: Zufei
            Is the replacement of the barrel at the PC provided for overheating? Right in the field, in 3 seconds?

            Yes, there is a quick barrel change for the PC (M). Three, not three seconds, but quickly
            1. Zufei
              Zufei 24 August 2020 13: 46 New
              -2
              Only no trunk
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 24 August 2020 13: 50 New
                +2
                Quote: Zufei
                Only no trunk

                Like this belay Even in NM, consider the militia, there are spare barrels ...
                Another question is that we do not have a second number in our staff to carry all the goods (additional BC and barrel), but in the conditions of trench warfare as such, this is not critical ...
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 22 August 2020 16: 14 New
      +9
      Nikolai, good afternoon! hi
      I already wrote there below about MG, SG and PC in a short comment to Sleep. As for the new Kalashnikov model, this is most likely their belated response to the famous Belgian Minimi machine gun, which was the first in this line with a dual power system chambered for 5,56 × 45 mm cartridge manufactured by FN Herstal since 1981.
      Belgian with store food:

      American licensed M249 Para (parachutists and marines - folding stock) with belt feed:

      After that, the Belgian, many countries woke up and began to produce light machine guns of this class: South Africa, Israel, China ... only we still itch. request
      1. svp67
        svp67 22 August 2020 16: 23 New
        +7
        Quote: Sea Cat
        As for the new Kalashnikov model, this is most likely their belated response to the famous Belgian Minimi machine gun, which was the first in this line with a dual power system chambered for 5,56 × 45 mm cartridge manufactured by FN Herstal since 1981.

        Well, the USSR also had its own machine gun with a dual mode of power supply, though under a powerful "welted" cartridge, RP-46
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 22 August 2020 16: 32 New
          +2
          Sergei, wasn’t it just a rework for tape? Or there, the cover changed and you could shove the disc. Well, in battle, it's not serious.
          1. svp67
            svp67 22 August 2020 16: 37 New
            +4
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Or there, the cover changed and you could shove the disc.

            Yes, disk from DP-27
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Well, in battle, it's not serious.

            So in battle and no one will definitely do this, but there are different situations, somewhere it would be necessary to use old disks from DP-27
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 22 August 2020 16: 40 New
              +7
              ... somewhere it would be necessary to use old disks from DP-27

              Here! This is the whole point - they stamped so many of them, in vain or something. It's like our overcoats have been issued for thirty years, but don't throw them away.
            2. Alexander Drobyshev
              Alexander Drobyshev 22 August 2020 17: 33 New
              +5
              Good afternoon, the tape recorder from the RP-46 was filmed no more difficult than the usual disk magazine (it was put instead of it laughing ), and disks from DP-27 were used when firing blank cartridges.
          2. sanek45744
            sanek45744 22 August 2020 17: 14 New
            +4
            hmm, the tape feed mechanism changes to disk in just 10 seconds.
        2. sen
          sen 23 August 2020 05: 10 New
          +3
          The British Army is going to abandon the use of the FN Para Minimi machine gun or L110A2 / A3 /. This was announced at the Future Soldier Technology 2018 conference, which took place in London from March 12-14.
          It seems that in this way the question of which is better - high-precision fire or suppressive heavy fire was resolved.
          As conceived by the British forces, soldiers armed with an L85A3 equipped with an L123A3 (Heckler & Koch AG-36) grenade launcher are better able to provide suppression than an L110 machine gun at a distance of 300-400 m.
          The rejection of light machine guns with belt weapons reflects the process that took place in the US Marine Corps in 2010. Then the decision was made to switch from the M249, the Minimi's own version, to the automatic M27 for the infantry.
          https://zen.yandex.ru/media/gun/velikobritaniia-otkazyvaetsia-ot-pulemetov-pochemu-5ad99def482677e486f3a43e
          https://40cdo-rm.ru/news/britanskaya-armiya-namerena-otkazatsya-ot-ispolzovaniya-pulemetov-l110a2a3/
          https://topwar.ru/145451-britanskaja-armija-nachinaet-perevooruzhenie-pehoty.html
          https://topwar.ru/130605-amerikanskaya-armiya-ischet-zamenu-pulemetu-m249.html
        3. Bronekot
          Bronekot 24 August 2020 13: 57 New
          -1
          Good old DP under the tape, a good machine, we gave a couple of these from ...... radishes. They left themselves very helpful.
      2. Asad
        Asad 22 August 2020 16: 25 New
        +3
        Thanks for the detailed answer!
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 22 August 2020 16: 32 New
          +5
          Always happy if you have something to answer. smile drinks
      3. psiho117
        psiho117 22 August 2020 23: 34 New
        0
        Quote: Sea Cat
        as for the new Kalashnikov model, this is most likely their belated response to the famous Belgian machine gun "Minimi"

        Not. The Minimi is a machine gun designed as a machine gun - machine gun weight, belt, open bolt firing.
        Here we just see how tape feed was cut into the RPK-16.
        Automation remains the same.
        What kind of tape is there, whether it can be equipped in the field, whether it is possible to supply ammunition from standard magazines is not yet clear.
        We are waiting for a wide screening.
      4. MORDVIN13rus
        MORDVIN13rus 23 August 2020 20: 16 New
        +1
        YES, here are not the first Belgians who were in the creation of a light parking brake under an intermediate cartridge, and even with a double power supply, namely, the USSR was ahead of the Belgians.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 23 August 2020 20: 31 New
          +1
          If it's not difficult to give a link, otherwise it all turns out somehow frivolous. hi
          1. MORDVIN13rus
            MORDVIN13rus 23 August 2020 20: 47 New
            +1
            https://topwar.ru/76867-eksperimentalnye-ruchnye-pulemety-semeystva-pu.html В рамках этого проекта был сконструирован уникальный лентопротяжный механизм, позволявший его монтаж как на рпк 74 и всего семейства 74 калашей. Так что РПЛ это лишь модернизация сего проекта.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 23 August 2020 20: 56 New
              +2
              Thanks, Eugene. hi
              I didn't know anything about this development, now, thanks to you, I found it right away. It is strange that we did not accept this PU-1 into service, we are again lagging behind the entire planet, although we could have been ahead in this regard for a long time. request
              With disc magazine.

              Belt-fed.
          2. MORDVIN13rus
            MORDVIN13rus 23 August 2020 20: 51 New
            +1
            And here is a photo of this pribluda.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 23 August 2020 20: 59 New
              +1
              Funnily enough, the ribbon is fed using the reload handle. Not very reliable, isn't it?
              1. MORDVIN13rus
                MORDVIN13rus 23 August 2020 21: 02 New
                +1
                On DShK and RP-46 there were no problems with this.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 23 August 2020 21: 16 New
                  +1
                  I had nothing to do with the RP-46, but the DShKM at our "half-fours" were used as anti-aircraft guns. I had a chance to shoot at the TST and there were no problems. But there is iron of what thickness, you cannot flatten it with a sledgehammer. And in PU-1 I meant a seemingly "flimsy" design of the entire supply system.
                  1. MORDVIN13rus
                    MORDVIN13rus 23 August 2020 21: 18 New
                    0
                    Well, as practice shows, if our gunsmiths make something, it works.
  5. Professor
    Professor 22 August 2020 15: 21 New
    -3
    Wow. Canvas shop. At last.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 22 August 2020 15: 45 New
      +4
      Come on! I saw in the pictures that the PKM has one.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 22 August 2020 16: 46 New
        12

        Here you go, Mr. Minusator.
  6. 501Legion
    501Legion 22 August 2020 15: 23 New
    0
    looks good, if in the framework of the state defense order, then there is no doubt that they will bring to mind, it's like Kalashnikov
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 22 August 2020 20: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: 501Legion
      looks good, if in the framework of the state defense order, then there is no doubt that they will bring to mind, it's like Kalashnikov

      Kalashnikov would have brought it, but this is not Kalashnikov, but businessmen, the main thing for them is to sell. Well, they will sell, I have no doubt laughing
  7. Wwk7260
    Wwk7260 22 August 2020 15: 23 New
    -18
    The agony of the small arms design bureau of the Kalashnikov concern continues, it is a pity that Kovrov's successful developments are being pushed in to please the courtier design bureau.
    1. Quadro
      Quadro 22 August 2020 16: 15 New
      10
      Agony is unlikely, but the AK-12 pulled the campaign for kickbacks. The A-545 already won immediately, but they began to pull the rubber with repeated tests, giving it the KK to modify their miracle Yudo, which, in terms of reliability, lost to the even more complex A-545. And even then, in the end, we got a filed ak-74, and how they pondered before that with a double-sided shutter and an interpreter, and even a store reset button.
      1. D16
        D16 22 August 2020 17: 03 New
        0
        And even then, in the end, we got a sawed-off ak-74

        What they paid for, they got it. The role of the mass shooters is not so great today that you would spend a lot of money on it. Therefore, we went along the path of getting rid of not very necessary tweaks.
        1. We are for our
          We are for our 22 August 2020 20: 18 New
          -1
          The role of the mass shooters is not so great today that you would spend a lot of money on it.
          but it is not so small that it can be completely neglected, to re-equip all combat units with a modern assault rifle at a price comparable to the cost of 10 tanks or one aircraft.
          1. D16
            D16 23 August 2020 07: 57 New
            +1
            but not so small as to be completely neglected

            Precisely that is small. Look at the statistics of even the current semi-guerrilla wars. He drives collective weapons. For those who really use a machine gun, they are already producing an expensive A-545 at the price of 10 tanks or an aircraft. The overwhelming majority of the features of the early AK-12 are completely unnecessary, and the store reset button is simply harmful. smile As a result, we got a machine with good characteristics at a price half the initial price. And Krivoruchko voiced her in the 14th year. 1000 $.
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 27 August 2020 00: 07 New
              +1
              not to mention the fact that we have winter, the same translator and the reset button can freeze altogether
    2. bar
      bar 22 August 2020 16: 53 New
      +2
      They are a monument ...
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 August 2020 15: 30 New
    +3
    Whoa! Necessary thing! The squad's firepower will increase dramatically.
  9. svp67
    svp67 22 August 2020 15: 32 New
    +1
    Look what a "miracle Yudo" .. it looks like with a short piston stroke, and this is a new machine ...
    1. D16
      D16 22 August 2020 17: 12 New
      +1
      And most likely shoots from an open bolt. It is a pity that they did not begin to do ejector cooling as in Pecheneg, but hit the removable barrels of different lengths. IMHO stupidity. Whoever will carry them with him will be of different lengths for all occasions. laughing
      1. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 27 August 2020 00: 09 New
        0
        1) when firing with an automatic caliber, the weapon, oddly enough, will fail faster and then you will need to either send the weapon for repair or write it off, and replacing the barrel is much easier
  10. Vadim237
    Vadim237 22 August 2020 15: 36 New
    11
    Concern Kalashnikov showed something else - cooler than a machine gun
    Within the framework of the Army-2020 International Military-Technical Forum, the Kalashnikov Group of Companies presented an innovative invention, the IZH H600 hybrid machine - the first hybrid machining center produced in Russia that combines additive technologies and machining in one machine. Work on its creation was carried out jointly with the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation and the Industry Development Fund.

    *** - Hybrid machine from Kalashnikov IZH H600:


    * Allows to reduce the time of putting products into production up to 10 times and to multiply the productivity of the enterprise, which is extremely in demand both in the military and civilian spheres.

    * Allows you to quickly make new items or prototypes without the need to equip the production with special tools and special equipment.

    * Combines a combination of the technology of laser cladding of metal powder and 5-axis milling, allowing the production of parts and assembly units of complex geometric shapes weighing up to 300 kg and dimensions of 600 × 500 × 500 mm.
    1. L-39NG
      L-39NG 22 August 2020 16: 37 New
      0
      I don't want to underestimate anyone and, God forbid, humiliate anyone, but I have already seen a similar machine somewhere, and it was not from Kalashnikov. As they say in Russia, scratch a Russian and you will find a Tatar. In this case it will not be a Tatar. I don’t think I’m mistaken, although there’s a dime a dozen on different screens of different machines, maybe I confused something.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 22 August 2020 21: 47 New
        +2
        Probably these - but they have their own
        The United Engine Corporation (UEC) of the Rostec State Corporation has developed the first 5-axis hybrid complex in Russia for the production of experimental parts for gas turbine engines. The CNC machining center combines 3D printing, machining and laser welding. The machine is already producing large-sized complex parts for the needs of the UEC.

        The development has no analogues in terms of its technical characteristics and technological capabilities. The complex is designed for high-speed manufacturing of complex-profile large-sized parts for gas turbine engines by direct laser growth and mechanical processing. Unlike foreign analogues, it allows the production and high-precision processing of large-sized parts of gas turbine engines with dimensions up to 1100 × 600 × 600 mm and weighing up to 450 kg.

        An individual control program is developed for each part, which is created on the basis of a design 3D model. First, the workpiece is grown from special heat-resistant metal powders. Then the complex automatically performs turning and milling, which allows you to get a completely finished part at the exit.
        The project was implemented in the branch of JSC "UEC" "NIID" (Moscow) by order of JSC "UEC" in cooperation with the St. Petersburg Polytechnic University and LLC SKB "Stankostroenie" (Sterlitamak).
    2. bar
      bar 22 August 2020 16: 58 New
      -4
      Kalashnikov Group of Companies Presented an Innovative Invention IZH H600 Hybrid Machine

      Cool. The only pity is that he is in photoshop. They also make motorcycles ... wassat
  11. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 22 August 2020 15: 53 New
    +2
    I still did not understand why he is better than the usual PKK
    1. svp67
      svp67 22 August 2020 16: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      I still did not understand why he is better than the usual PKK

      The ability to change the barrel, which allows you to both use it in various combat situations, in particular as an assault, and maintain a high rate of fire, tape loading is simpler and more capacious than store loading ... And so of course you need to watch how it behaves when firing , what is the ballistics and balance, the ease of handling, what is the accuracy.
    2. SVD68
      SVD68 22 August 2020 20: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      I still did not understand why he is better than the usual PKK

      The tape feed and replaceable barrel allow you to fire in battle in long bursts.
    3. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 22 August 2020 22: 40 New
      +1
      Victor, now it will be possible to use the "Scorpion cartridge feed system" by converting it to a tape with 5,45x39mm cartridges. In the USA, such a "backpack with cartridges" for 5,56x45mm holds 800-925 rounds, just a replaceable barrel will come in handy. True, officially "a backpack with Scorpion cartridges" is not adopted for service.
    4. psiho117
      psiho117 22 August 2020 23: 40 New
      0
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      I still did not understand why he is better than the usual PKK

      The fact that the tambourine on the PKK campaign is a skiff.
      And without a tambourine, a "non-machine gun" cannot have the same density of fire as normal machine guns.
      Conclusion - returned to the tape.
  12. Operator
    Operator 22 August 2020 15: 57 New
    0
    Translated into Russian, KK “didn’t manage” to make a capacious and light drum magazine, after which he rolled back to the tape and asked the MO for denyuzhka for a second “approach to the bar”.

    It's time for QC to retrain as machine tool builders.
    1. svp67
      svp67 22 August 2020 16: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: Operator
      Translated into Russian - KK "could not" make a capacious yet light drum magazine, after which it rolled back


      RPK-16 has a drum magazine for 96 rounds. The transition to tape is a military requirement.
      1. Operator
        Operator 22 August 2020 16: 46 New
        -1
        The keyword is "light".
        1. Ded_Mazay
          Ded_Mazay 22 August 2020 20: 02 New
          +1
          A drum magazine is never easy.
          1. Operator
            Operator 22 August 2020 20: 34 New
            0
            The same was said about the box of the cartridge tape until the cloth boxes appeared.
            1. Ded_Mazay
              Ded_Mazay 22 August 2020 20: 53 New
              +1
              The weight of an empty drum for RPKS 7.62x39 for 75 rounds is 900 grams, the weight of a round box with an empty belt for RPDs for 100 rounds 7.62x39 is 800 grams. Drum and disc magazines by definition have a higher dead weight than magazines or tape boxes made from materials of comparable weight. Therefore, the "drum" is never easy.
              1. Operator
                Operator 22 August 2020 20: 56 New
                0
                The boxes have long been replaced by nylon bags weighing 250 grams.
                1. Ded_Mazay
                  Ded_Mazay 22 August 2020 20: 58 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Operator
                  The boxes have long been replaced by nylon bags weighing 250 grams.

                  And in comparison with them, the "drum" is all the more lightweight. Moreover, it is even more structurally complex and more expensive.
                  1. Operator
                    Operator 22 August 2020 21: 05 New
                    -1
                    About that and speech that happens - from a modern composite and with a different cartridge supply system than in the well-known drum.
                    1. Ded_Mazay
                      Ded_Mazay 22 August 2020 21: 21 New
                      +3
                      For example? How much does such a miracle weigh, how much does it cost, how it works at high / low temperatures, how it transfers mechanical stress to the case, what is its resource in the end. In theory, this is simple - to take other material and do it. But in practice, it is hemorrhagic. And again, whatever one may say, a belt with a cloth bag will still have a lower "dead weight" and a larger capacity in the same volume than any drum.
                      1. Operator
                        Operator 22 August 2020 21: 33 New
                        -2
                        What is the problem with mixing carbon fiber with polyarylate and pouring it into a mold to obtain an impact-resistant body in a temperature range from -60 to +200 degrees?

                        In addition to the weight of the cloth bag, for comparison with the drum magazine, the weight of the cartridge belt links must be taken into account.
                      2. Ded_Mazay
                        Ded_Mazay 22 August 2020 22: 22 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Operator
                        What is the problem with mixing carbon fiber with polyarylate and pouring it into a mold to obtain an impact-resistant body in a temperature range from -60 to +200 degrees?
                        I have no idea. But if you haven't done it yet, then there is a problem.
                        \
                        Quote: Operator
                        In addition to the weight of the cloth bag, for comparison with the drum magazine, the weight of the cartridge belt links must be taken into account.

                        See above the comparison of the mass of the RPK drum and the RPD box.
    2. D16
      D16 22 August 2020 17: 30 New
      0
      IMHO this can be called a machine gun at a stretch. But in fact, a machine gun with a heavy barrel and a big, damn inconvenient store.
      1. We are for our
        We are for our 22 August 2020 19: 57 New
        -6
        So all machine guns are "machine guns with a heavy barrel and an inconvenient magazine.
        If you don't like snails, order four-row box magazines, but the use of flying guns in handguns is some kind of ridiculous anachronism, which has no excuse.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 22 August 2020 20: 39 New
          0
          Loose tape. Why not. There are two factors here. Weight and reliability. There is a tambourine for 96 rounds. We take a rattle (although the tarpaulins do not rattle) for 96 rounds and compare. Weight and number of ammunition delays. The result will not be announced to us.
        2. psiho117
          psiho117 22 August 2020 23: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: We are for our
          So all machine guns are "machine guns with a heavy barrel and an inconvenient magazine.

          Wrong. There are initially machine guns, and there are "under-machine guns" obtained from machine guns.
          Quote: We are for our
          If you don't like snails, order four-row box stores
          unreliable is something that is different.
          the use of tape in hand weapons is some kind of ridiculous anachronism

          The tape and tape drive unit in the PCM is a highly reliable unit that has been worked out over the years. Another question is how it will be at 5,45 - there the cartridge is flimsy, and the effort on the tape drive is less ...
          We will see.
        3. D16
          D16 23 August 2020 08: 29 New
          +1
          So all machine guns are "machine guns with a heavy barrel and an inconvenient magazine.

          If you are talking about the PKK, then it is. But it was not in vain that they got rid of this misunderstanding with his 150 shots per minute. Four-row stores were never brought to meet the army's reliability requirements. In this case, I see an attempt to create a light machine gun with a combat rate of fire comparable to the PKM.
      2. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 27 August 2020 00: 18 New
        0
        oddly enough, but the RPK-16 would suit all sorts of specialists when equipped with ordinary magazines and barrels ...
  13. Boris Chernikov
    Boris Chernikov 27 August 2020 00: 16 New
    0
    well, it's like the military demanded a belt RP for themselves ... the whole joke is that the RPK-16 is a new machine gun and no one would take it for the sake of a conditional tambourine ... it would be easier to buy tambourines themselves ... and very few people wear tambourines to the RPK from the word in general .. basically they get by with "long" stores because of the convenience of wearing and equipment .. And in the case of a tape, then even before leaving, all the cartridges are hammered into tapes, which removes the issue of combat use
    1. Operator
      Operator 27 August 2020 08: 56 New
      +2
      A metal drum magazine for a hundred rounds weighs 1,2 kg; a nylon bag with a plastic top and metal links of loose strap for a hundred rounds weigh 0,6 kg.

      Therefore, tambourines are not worn.
  • Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 22 August 2020 15: 59 New
    -8
    And for me RPD is better, return it from the warehouses
    1. Ded_Mazay
      Ded_Mazay 22 August 2020 20: 03 New
      +1
      Interestingly, and when you with your -28000 rating, in less than 2 months, will be returned to the warehouse? laughing
  • beeper
    beeper 22 August 2020 16: 34 New
    -4
    Thanks to dear Vladimir Onokoy for the detailed photos of the novelty! good
    They show more about the design of the RPL-20 than what is said in the text! smile
    Unfortunately, there is only a hastily cobbled together-compiled "based on the Belgian M249 Minimi (I would not be surprised, looking at the location of the tape feed lever and its window, that it is possible to power the machine gun from the box magazine of the standard machine gun, as in the Belgian ?! winked ) "working" composite "from the design solutions of the PC and RPK.
    I do not believe that this is the final version, since outwardly there is still no laconic "harmony" of the design and there are many "non-growths" that are asking for revision, including from the point of view of future operators. winked
    And, as I see from the photo, a quick change of the heated barrel in the RPL-20 is not provided (even with asbestos mittens, like those of Hitler's machine gunners, it will not work out quickly ?!) ?!
    From the photo of the machine gun and the "history of machine gun business" itself, it is clear that the tape for flangeless cartridges 5,45x39 mm with an open link and the supply of cartridges to the barrel is "asking for" (for reference to novice "machine gunners" - such "one-story" feed allows you to save ~ 1 ÷ 1,5 kg of structure weight, in comparison with a "two-story" feed with a "cartridge reduction", as in a PC machine gun, firing 7,62x54 mm flanged cartridges, which does not allow structurally to simply make a reliable feed of a cartridge by "asking" in one straight motion from the tape into the barrel chamber)!
    I hope that together with the new machine-gun belt, Rakov's machine was also redesigned for "stuffing" it with cartridges ?! Since manually quickly equipping at least 100 cartridges into the tape is still a hassle, even in the most "greenhouse conditions"! yes
    The fact that with the belt light machine guns for the Russian army "the process has begun" - I am very glad! good God willing, something sensible and it will turn out "at the exit", because "if you suffer for a long, long time, something will work out!" yes
    It is depressing only the decades-long delay with this and the obvious disregard of the world experience in the design and combat operation of machine guns by modern Russian designers from QC, otherwise how to explain the apparent lack of the possibility of prompt replacement of the RPL-20 barrel during the battle (for the ideal of constructive support for such a barrel change, I would not even take our PC, and the German MG-42, as far as I remember, it took the trained Nazis a maximum of 7 seconds, or even half less for the very "machine gunners", with a preheated PC it won't work so quickly ??!) ?! what
    I would like to compare with Kovrov's developments on the topic "Turner" ?! winked
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 22 August 2020 17: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: pishchak
      for the ideal of constructive support for such a change in the barrel, I would not even take our PC, but the German MG-42 - as far as I remember, a maximum of 7 seconds was spent on it by the trained Nazis

      In the presence of special asbestos mittens, which was included in the MG-42 package ...

      It was worth losing it (and in war it is like a finger on the asphalt), and with the replacement of the barrel, the Nazis became oh, how bad ...
      Do you remember that the MG does not have a handle like the PC (M)?
      1. beeper
        beeper 22 August 2020 17: 18 New
        -4
        Of course I remember. yes
        beeper
        And, as I see from the photo, a quick change of the heated barrel in RPL-20 is not provided ( even with asbestos mittens, like Hitler's machine gunners, will not work quickly ?!) ?!

        hi Read carefully, Insurgent! wink
        Lying down to change (even in the dark) the barrel is much easier and easier on the MG-42 than on the PC!
      2. beeper
        beeper 22 August 2020 17: 36 New
        -5
        The minus was not mine (apparently, one of the empty "offenders" -minusators swaggers for pleasure wassat ), but I did not give you a usual plus to my counterpart, Insurgent, since you found fault with me in vain, because of your own inattention and, already noticeable to many, your desire to "assert yourself" in this way ?! request
    2. aglet
      aglet 23 August 2020 11: 45 New
      -4
      "Only a decades-long delay is depressing."
      there was no need to remove the RPD from service. no worse than this miracle
      1. beeper
        beeper 23 August 2020 13: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: aglet
        "Only a decades-long delay is depressing."
        there was no need to remove the RPD from service. no worse than this miracle


        hi Aka Akselbant, the RPD had a too long locking unit (for obvious reasons, interfering with the manufacture of a less costly and more economical in production, light stamped receiver) and an organic lack of such "spacer (and" skewed ")" barrel locking schemes - overall high sensitivity to pollution (and this, coupled with the suboptimal weight distribution of the moving parts of the automation in the RPD, the a priori lowered energy of the "intermediate cartridge" and the supply of cartridges "asking for", with the combination in one cycle of very energy-intensive operations of shock extraction by the shutter of the cartridge from the open springy link of the cartridge belt and sending it to chamber, and then locking the bore!) and frequent problems with the extraction and breakage of cases!
        And also, the constructive impossibility of folding the butt (for arming the rapidly developing Soviet airborne troops in those years and the possibility of transportation in the emerging, then in the 60s, completely closed, with landing and disembarkation through narrow hatches, and not through the tops of the sides, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles and also - hassle-free dismounting of them)!
        The thin and poorly cooled barrel of the RPD (like the barrel of the later and lighter RPK) could not withstand a truly machine-gun mode of fire in long bursts, and a quick-change barrel was not provided for solving this problem!
        Therefore, with the emergence of a unified small arms system based on more reliable AKM and RPK, the degtyarevsky machine gun did not last long in service with the Soviet Army - its reserves were distributed-donated to warring Vietnam, Cambodia, Cuba, Africa, the Middle East, South America. ..!
        And about "this miracle" I wrote above. yes
        In my opinion, RPL-20, in all respects, is much more progressive than the former RPD, whatever one may say! yes
        The idea of ​​the RPL-20 is interesting - I, for example, really liked the original design move, with the turning over (inversion), well-developed on the PC, of ​​the cartridge tape feed mechanism, in such a new capacity, allowing the use of a combined power supply with cartridges from a tape or from Kalashnikov box-type (drum ) of the magazine attached instead of the tape container!
        If you work correctly with this, presented by the QC, "the concept of a small-caliber machine gun" in terms of the optimal layout and construction materials used, the choice of the optimal trigger and the implementation of automatic fire "from the rear sear (from an open bolt)", a quick-change barrel (since the small caliber of the barrel bore , energy and increased pressure of propellant gases of the 5,45x39 mm cartridge lead to very rapid heating of the barrel with continuous firing in machine gun mode) and the gas regulator, rational design of the butt and support bipods, tuning of "body kits" and "licking outlines", it can turn out to be very even a good, simple, powerful and reliable model of a light machine gun (at least a kilogram lighter than the current "raw" RPL-20) is the basis of the firepower of a rifle unit, which will really be loved in the army and which one can be proud of (and , it is quite successful and profitable to trade!)! winked
        IMHO
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 23 August 2020 16: 28 New
          -1
          You have the wrong imha. It would be better to finish the normal PKK. A magazine for 96 rounds, in principle, is not needed, 75-85 is enough. Barrels replaceable for the army nafig are not needed. Better one normal long-playing. Everything else is also a fantasy of an infantile person who likes the shots of cowboys from minimi and wants the same toy, which does not have an adequate view of the machine gun necessary for the army.
          1. beeper
            beeper 23 August 2020 18: 03 New
            +2
            Your speeches on your shoulders, IS-80! yes You come up with it yourself, you deny it, but the culture of you is so rushing! smile
            Where am I advocating store for 96 rounds, you definitely read about it from me, do not rave, IS-80 ??! what
            About your
            Barrels replaceable for the army nafig are not needed. Better one normal long-playing.

            I wonder how you are "this one is a normal long-playing (GUN BARREL!)" imagine in metal, and not in your really infantile, empty fantasies (keep in mind that the speed of bullets is 5,45 mm under 1000 m / s and the pressure of the powder gases per unit area of ​​the bore is much higher than the speed of 7,62 mm bullets and pressure in the barrel of the same "single-barrel" version of the PK-"Pecheneg") ??! winked
            So, IS-80, this is a rather controversial issue, which of us has a "wrong imkha" - it is absolutely obvious to me that "your imkha is wrong", because it is completely absurd and "unreasonable (neither from an engineering or military point of view !) "! request
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 23 August 2020 22: 23 New
              -1
              And what is your point of view justified? This is not the first year that I have heard about replaceable barrels and about the Russian analogue of the minimums that we desperately need. And every time this shitty reasoned opinion is, if at all, reasoned by a completely incompetent person.
        2. aglet
          aglet 23 August 2020 17: 44 New
          0
          For two years I wore a rifle regiment for shooting ranges, in battle, thank God, I did not have to use it. there were never any delays, although all the shooting was combined with tactical exercises, the only thing more difficult than the RPK, and more, no problems. the density of fire can give no less than the RPK, to the machine gunner - on the drum, as the bolt is locked, by skewing, or turning, and the durability is quite high. God forbid, war, a machine gun will be cheaper than a machine gunner. It was not worse than the RPK
          1. beeper
            beeper 23 August 2020 19: 21 New
            -1
            Quote: aglet
            For two years I wore a rifle regiment for shooting ranges, in battle, thank God, I did not have to use it. there were never any delays, although all the shooting was combined with tactical exercises, the only thing more difficult than the RPK, and more, no problems. the density of fire can give no less than the RPK, to the machine gunner - on the drum, as the bolt is locked, by skewing, or turning, and the durability is quite high. God forbid, war, a machine gun will be cheaper than a machine gunner. It was not worse than the RPK

            hi Who can argue, aka Akselbant ?! Plus from me, for your love for RPD and protection of his memory! good
            For a peaceful "time", parades and shooting ranges (with regular cleaning and lubrication, under the close supervision of commanders and an art master), the RPD was suitable, but in military operations, in Vietnam, it showed itself not very reliable (although, in Vietnamese In the jungle, American M60 machine guns were much more capricious in terms of reliability, yes!)!
            The RPD was also afraid of sand, but for the late 40s-early 50s this light machine gun was a real breakthrough for our army, it would have been for our grandfathers and fathers in the Great Patriotic War, based on which he was V.A. Degtyarev (like FV Tokarev, an adherent of pre-war weapon technologies with a predominance of mechanical processing and metalwork finishing of parts, and not stamping!) Was created!
            And the RPD was more expensive (than the RPK) for the treasury, the production cycle is longer, due to the high labor intensity and metal consumption of production, in wartime it would be completely unreasonable.
            I agree with you that specific "The machine gunner - on the drum, like the bolt is locked, by skewing, or turning, and the durability is high enough. God forbid, war, ...." After all, he is a military man, forced, and does not choose machine guns for himself, what the commanders gave him, he serves with that weapon, even if he has some personal preferences in the systems of machine guns! yes
            That the machine gunner, that the machine gun are "consumables" of the war, for him, as a priority target, everyone hunts on the battlefield, arrows and artillerymen, and therefore the machine gunner has much less chances to survive "first numbers" are like gloves, and they rarely remember the killed "second numbers"; subdivisions .... ") than a simple machine gunner!
            And the demand from him is high - his machine gun should not fail in battle!
            And the physical activity of a machine gunner is incomparable with a submachine gunner, ATP, machine-gun trenches are larger + spare firing positions must be equipped, although other soldiers of the unit help to carry the tape-cartridges on the march, but the "body" has to be carried, as well as on the battlefield. .... hence, the wearable weight of a machine gun with ammunition is important, with firepower and range of actual fire commensurate with the combat missions!
            But for the state treasury, the cheapness of the purchase and operation of a machine gun is very important, with the optimal ratio of the "cost / efficiency" indicator, and this all depends on the appropriate design of the weapon and the manufacturability of its mass production, including in wartime - this is vitally important for the state!
            And believe me, as a design engineer, technologist and toolmaker, who, at one time, was quite familiar with various systems of small arms and artillery weapons and their use, once, a long time ago, at the beginning of his life, he studied in detail the initial and modernized versions of the RPD , in which he was selflessly in love - 7,62 mm, that still, our Soviet RPK is a simpler and more reliable machine gun than the 7,62 mm RPD, so this degtyarevsky machine gun was completely correctly removed from the armament of our Soviet Army and replaced with 7,62 mm Kalashnikov RPK and RPKS!
            IMHO
  • K-50
    K-50 22 August 2020 16: 55 New
    +2
    RPL-20 is designed for 5,45X39 mm cartridge, belt feed for machine gun, belt is also developed in concern. Cartridge box for 100 rounds.

    For me, it’s faster to change a drum for 94 rounds when firing than a belt for 100 rounds. what
    Is it worth it to transfer the extra money?
    1. gorenina91
      gorenina91 22 August 2020 18: 09 New
      -1
      For me, it's faster to change a drum for 94 rounds when firing than a tape for 100 rounds

      -I'm not a specialist personally; but you are probably right ...
      -Here in the video material you can see ... -when they shoot with the tape, it dangles so much that it seems that this tape may be skewed ... -Maybe it only seems so ...
      -Yes, and once it is possible to change the trunks; then why not also use the opportunity to replace it with a barrel chambered for 7,62x39 ...; and not only chambered for 5,45 × 39 mm ...
      1. We are for our
        We are for our 22 August 2020 20: 00 New
        -3
        Regarding the failures, you are absolutely right, there will always be more of them with a more complex tape feed than with a simple store feed.
        It makes no sense to make a weapon under 7,62 * 39, the cartridge is not relevant in modern conditions.
        1. psiho117
          psiho117 23 August 2020 00: 01 New
          +3
          Quote: We are for our
          It makes no sense to make a weapon under 7,62 * 39, the cartridge is not relevant in modern conditions.

          it still makes sense - both as an export option, and to mining units, and FSB-shniki, users of the 104 may also be interested.
          the cartridge is not relevant in modern conditions

          there are some OBD conditions in which a heavier bullet takes precedence over a lighter 5,45. Therefore, the "seven" should not be written off - it has its own niche.
          cons are not mine wink
      2. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 22 August 2020 22: 54 New
        +1
        Irina, if I am not mistaken, tapes for 25 rounds exist and are used, which are connected into a tape with whatever size you want or can. When firing, the extreme 26th cartridge is thrown away and a piece of tape falls off, then you can collect the pieces of the tape and equip them again, the pieces are connected to each other by the cartridge like on loose links. If you are talking about feeding the tape, then you can use the "sleeve for feeding the tape". There is a "bag for cartridges" in it tape for 800 rounds ... is that enough for you? what
        1. gorenina91
          gorenina91 22 August 2020 23: 05 New
          0
          -You can add something else, if the trunks can be replaced; what if one barrel is chambered for the NATO 5.56x45 cartridge (this cartridge generally has a large number of modifications) ... -I think that this can always come in handy ...
          1. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 22 August 2020 23: 12 New
            0
            Irina, you won't be able to change "American crap" to "Orthodox-Russian crap" belay - you will need to change EVERYTHING, except for the butt and bipod sad ... We'll have to change all the "insides" of the RPL-20, simply put.
            1. psiho117
              psiho117 23 August 2020 00: 10 New
              0
              Quote: cat Rusich
              "Orthodox-Russian crap" will not work

              So here he is: lol
              https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/9261163
              Stick a tape drive into this AK-19 - and voila!
            2. gorenina91
              gorenina91 23 August 2020 00: 11 New
              -1
              changing "American crap" to "Orthodox-Russian crap" will not work

              - Horseradish and radish ... - this is not an Elephant and a Pug ... - And ... as for universality; then the weapon of the 21st century should have become universal for a long time ... -And, if for this it is necessary to make the "insides" of the newest machine gun universal ... -that must (and must) be done ... will not have to ... -If there is already a Russian weapon, where the barrels can be changed and pop Russian cartridges ... -and under 7,62x39 and under 5,45 × 39 ... -and this is ...- also for "insides "the same weapon is quite problematic ...
              1. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 23 August 2020 00: 32 New
                0
                Irina, in Japan and Britain there is left-hand traffic - why don't they make cars with a steering wheel that can be rearranged from left to right? recourse
                1. gorenina91
                  gorenina91 23 August 2020 09: 05 New
                  0
                  , in Japan and Britain, left-hand traffic - why don't they make cars with a steering wheel that can be rearranged from left to right?

                  -Ha .. -That's exactly, when they are at war, then ... then tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, VTR-s and other equipment ...- in battle they do not follow the rules of the road ... -Then columns of prisoners are driven through the streets by the winners ... -on any side of the street; along which it is customary for these winners to move, observing the rules of the road ... -And here in Russia, by the way ... - all cars (including right-hand drive vehicles) move only by observing our traffic rules ...
                  - As for the weapon, it should always shoot towards the enemy ... - regardless of who produced it and what type and caliber ammunition for it; if there are no weapons and ammunition of our Russian production nearby ...
                  -Well, "our cartridges" ran out; and nearby there are simply mountains of boxes of NATO cartridges (and there are really whole mountains of them even in Western Europe) ... - And what ... - personally, you will not use NATO cartridges if you have something to shoot them from (and you ran out of your own ) ... -Change the barrel, maybe the gas piston will have to be changed) and shoot ... -To win, all means are good ... -Sorry ...- for some pathos ...
                  1. aglet
                    aglet 23 August 2020 11: 51 New
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                    "And what ... - personally, you will not use NATO cartridges, if you have something to shoot them from (and you run out of your own) ... -Change the barrel, maybe the gas piston will have to be replaced) and shoot ..."
                    easier, faster and more reliable - pick up their machine gun, and shoot, shoot ...
                    1. gorenina91
                      gorenina91 23 August 2020 12: 13 New
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                      easier, faster and more reliable - pick up their machine gun, and shoot, shoot ...

                      -And "theirs machine gun" is broken ... -and they managed to escape (with their weapons), change positions ... -but after them were boxes of ammunition ...
                      -Yes, and then ... -from "their machine gun" and automatic rifles, you still need to get used to shooting ... -and shoot accurately ... -And with your machine gun you will give them such heat ... -So the NATO barrel can always come in handy ... - against NATO members themselves ...
                      1. aglet
                        aglet 23 August 2020 12: 24 New
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                        "-And" their machine gun "is broken ... -and they managed to escape (with their weapons), change positions ... -but after them there were boxes of ammunition ..."
                        and you lost all spare and replaceable barrels - their second number is, and he was killed from the plane, and what? and constantly carry an extra barrel - 3kg, in the hope - what if? Yes, any normal soldier will love it, while these cartridges will go en masse
                      2. gorenina91
                        gorenina91 23 August 2020 13: 11 New
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                        and constantly carry an extra barrel - 3kg, in the hope - what if?

                        -Well, you were dropped off by parachutes ... -You completed the task ... -And then you yourself got into trouble ... -the cartridges ran out ... -the NATO weapons could not be captured; a lot of NATO ammunition ... -changed the barrel ... -and when the NATO officials hoped to capture you (thinking that you had practically used up all the ammunition); and they hoped to take you prisoner ... - here you have them ...
                        -In short ...- it can be continued indefinitely ...
                        - Personally, I believe that such a trunk will not hurt ... - Well, hide it in your trouser leg; and then suddenly use it as a club, if it really weighs 3 kg, then this is a rather formidable weapon ... -After you shoot NATO cartridges ... -Hahah ...
                      3. aglet
                        aglet 23 August 2020 17: 24 New
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                        "-Personally, I believe that such a barrel will not hurt .."
                        you probably never carried extra trunks
              2. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 23 August 2020 19: 24 New
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                Irina, you will have to change the bolt, the chamber ... As an example - GAZ-66 for A-76 and a foreign car (for example, "Mercedes" Fritz) for AI-95. You are driving a GAZ-66 on the territory of the Federal Republic of Germany, you ran out of gasoline, all the Mercedes cars in the area are broken or burned, you are standing at a whole gas station full of AI-95 gasoline ... what to do? what - to get a "spare motor" running on the AI-95, which you carry with you just in case of a "fire emergency" ... it will not be difficult for you to change the motor on your own in the field. yes , and you also carry a diesel engine with you just in case.
  • Ded_Mazay
    Ded_Mazay 22 August 2020 20: 09 New
    +1
    Of course, it is faster to change, but tape feed is significantly more reliable than drum feed. And, as far as I understand, the dead weight of a 100-round tape in a cloth hopper is less than a 94-round drum, even if it is made of plastic.
    1. We are for our
      We are for our 22 August 2020 21: 01 New
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      but tape feed is noticeably more reliable than drum feed.
      I don’t know about the drums, but all tape-powered handguns are so-so reliable. The fabric box is not yet known how it will manifest itself in operation.
  • Boris Chernikov
    Boris Chernikov 27 August 2020 00: 24 New
    +1
    this is currently for 100 rounds, it is not difficult to do for 200, but there is no tambourine for 200 rounds
  • GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 22 August 2020 19: 00 New
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    This is how the machine gun finds the target itself, strikes it ... ... For FILMS, you need to understand, the product ...
  • GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 22 August 2020 19: 16 New
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    The author of the machine gun, and run, shoot you with your microscope in the trenches where they fight, in a word ... You won't know new words about yourself ...
  • Maksim_ok
    Maksim_ok 22 August 2020 20: 27 New
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    Finally, the domestic "Minimi"
  • Split
    Split 22 August 2020 20: 34 New
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    Is the tape as always loose? I didn't see something ... like for PKM, EMNIP, there is a plastic loose
    1. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 22 August 2020 23: 03 New
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      Anatoly, there is a tape for PCM for 25 rounds, then connect the tape for 100, 200 ... 800 rounds.
  • garri-lin
    garri-lin 22 August 2020 20: 45 New
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    And not a word about the tape. Although there are many different conversations. Non-metallic is of interest. Will bring to mind. Or won't they?
  • GennadyLev
    GennadyLev 22 August 2020 20: 54 New
    +1
    Thank you all for the discussion. I learned a lot of new things.
    My experience as a kid was shooting from Goryunov and that's it.
    I would like to know something about four-row box stores
    Thank you in advance, but I don’t know what I donate. Is that a link

    https://mathship.com/030publishedarticles/IceAge2100rus.pdf

    that the New Ice Age will begin at 2100
  • dgonni
    dgonni 22 August 2020 21: 19 New
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    KK did not succeed in minimi. Kord 5.45, although it has a double power supply, and Kalashnikov finally condescended to switch from the acanoid layout scheme to firing from an open bolt and tape. But given that all the technology of the Kalashnikovs is geared towards the production of AK, even having created a normal KK machine gun, it will not be able to produce it. Example? We look at the AK-12 presented by the GDP and the fact that under this name these are 2 different devices. So while KK will continue to push the imperfections of the rework, there will be no sense.
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot 22 August 2020 21: 54 New
    +4
    The "war of calibers" continues.
    Americans say everything about 6,5mm Grendell, today I just watched a vidos about him. Praise, talk about a potential transition from 5,56. Like 7,62 and 5,56 are better ...

    But do we need to change horses so radically? 5,45 has proven itself positively. A 5,45 belt-fed machine gun is needed.

    The industry works.
    This is good news, let them do it. Even if they are not adopted, the scientific school will be supported. This is someone's project, former students are studying, leaders are proactive, the design bureau is breathing ...

    As the teacher of Baumanki speak wink
    Out of hundreds and thousands, one genius comes ... What if, after dozens of mid-range products, suddenly BREAKTHROUGH!
    1. aglet
      aglet 23 August 2020 12: 06 New
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      "The Americans say everything about 6,5mm Grendell, today I just watched a vidos about him. Praise, they talk about a potential transition from 5,56. Like 7,62 and 5,56 are better .."
      and the meaning? the difference in calibers in fractions of mm and even in whole mm, what does it give? you need to make a normal weapon, under the existing cartridge, and not create a bunch of calibers for different conditions, and then a bunch of barrels for them.
  • Operator
    Operator 23 August 2020 00: 58 New
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    Quote: Ded_Mazay
    if not done yet, then there is a problem

    ... the fans of metal boxes argued when they were asked to make nylon ones.
    1. Ded_Mazay
      Ded_Mazay 23 August 2020 14: 52 New
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      But this is, excuse me, demagoguery.
  • Wolf
    Wolf 23 August 2020 14: 07 New
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    Machine gun, what is the main purpose?
    The story begins with World War 1. And German Maxim. And what did he serve? Then the tactics of military action was that the soldiers walked closely with each other like on a shooting range and machine guns only had to shoot with a burst of great accuracy, weight and caliber were not important.
    In World War 2, accuracy and weight were already taken into account and the German MG43 appeared. Because the tactical military action was a lot of bistria, the soldiers took cover and were not so immobile, did not blindly walk to the pool.
    Experience from the 99g war. , where there was a PKM (we called it TSETSA), no machine gun in a caliber less than 7,62mm did not have a close result, neither the Belgian nor the United States nor the German M43 (perhaps, the accuracy is not that, capricious).
    What is the use of a 5,45 or 5,56 light machine gun today? The soldiers have good body armor, they move tactically in a bistro, and they occupy closed bistros. Pula 5,56 where the forest and stone shelter are not effective, the pula leaves. Swamp straw bricks set pool and so on.
    Modern automatic weapons like the AK 12 or the A 545 have almost the same effect. Who is shooting long bursts from one place today? Bistro sniper or RB will take him away.
    Today, we need a light machine gun, but sufficient strength with a bullet so that the bi-brick did not stop the bullet or the edges did not change the flight of the bullet, accuracy and firing range.
    For today and for the future, a machine gun in caliber 5, 45 and 5,56 is not needed by the erection except for ramming civilians.
    Simulate the battlefield today and put a luby machine gun in caliber 5,45 and 5,56 and PKM against and Tsetz clean them like cockroaches.
    But the weight is 9kg.
    If you didn't carry a machine gun weighing more than 10kg, it doesn't matter to you, but the soldier gets tired and the accuracy decreases as the battle goes on.
    Running one change of caliber is the same as running one of progress, today the 5,45 and 5,56 calibers are ALREADY OUTDATE, and tomorrow there will be an anachronism.
    Grendel 6,5mm already for an automatic rifle may be optimal, but for NATO, and keeping track of them means their mistake will be repeated.
    120 years ago, before the First World War, the 7 × 57 caliber appeared and showed itself both interesting and interesting. Soldiers were fond of these rifles. Easy, excellent balistic characteristics, took home after the war.
    Can it be easy to look for a machine gun in the 7mm caliber, and eliminate the unit minus the PKM weight?

    Today, making a machine gun in caliber 5,56 and 5,45 is ridiculous!
  • Note
    Note 23 August 2020 15: 14 New
    -2
    Again 25. Something incomprehensible is going on. Mikhail Timofeevich would not be delighted, to put it mildly. After all, the word unification is the most basic in the shooting system. Well, how to explain to people who do not know the realities of a big war, that it is more important for a soldier to have several samples of reliable, well-known weapons, parts of which are interchangeable, than 100 samples of which nothing can be folded, and it is difficult to replace one wounded soldier by giving another his weapon ? Well, what did not suit the RPK 74? It is clear that RPK 16 is its modernization and nothing more. Well, the planks were trimmed with plastic and the store was made for 96 rounds. Well, fine, does it work? As usual. And then why is there a tape feed and a new sample in which completely different components of the mechanisms. Well, why is it better in this light machine gun than a store gun, it's not a PC of a different caliber with a wider range of tasks on the battlefield. Again, there is a negligent attitude towards funds. Yes, it would be understandable if the Concern had created a new concept of small arms, individual and group weapons, even for a completely new type of ammunition, also created by it from scratch, which together would have undeniable advantages over the existing ones. Then you can already begin to think about the process of implementation, rearmament and the feasibility of this. And here there is a clear stagnation, a personnel crisis of the research institutes, and an overabundance of managers and PR specialists.
    1. Ded_Mazay
      Ded_Mazay 23 August 2020 19: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: Note
      Well, what did not suit the RPK 74?

      The fact that the PKK is not a machine gun.
      We look at GOST 28653-90 "Small arms. Terms and definitions"
      "Machine gun is an automatic small arms long continuous shooting... "
      And the PKK is not adapted to its conduct due to design features, just the same due to almost complete unification with the AK. In fact, this is the same machine gun, but with an elongated barrel and a "tambourine" instead of a "horn".
  • Note
    Note 23 August 2020 15: 29 New
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    Oh yes, MO order. And who from the Ministry of Defense will specifically answer later when trouble comes, it is necessary to fight, and our army is more reminiscent of the Indian in armament? Moreover, the request was clearly not born from those who will then crawl with weapons. Another armchair warrior, having seen a picture on the internet, by poking his finger, created another problem for the soldier.
    1. Wolf
      Wolf 23 August 2020 17: 21 New
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      I did not say that it should be repeated exactly as it was 120 years ago, but about 7mm to look for something like that. Didn't know for 280 British. 7x57 cartridge for rifles, 5,56 for a machine gun is also funny today.

      1. Wolf
        Wolf 23 August 2020 17: 23 New
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        Rifle in 7x57mm caliber
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 24 August 2020 18: 00 New
          +1
          - "Mauser" some kind, tunnels? recourse recourse
          1. Wolf
            Wolf 24 August 2020 18: 23 New
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            This is a Serbian Mauser from 1892 or 1899, I don’t remember, in 7x57mm caliber, a wonderful shot, for this time the very top of the world. Made in Kragujevets Voeno Technically Factory.
            1. Wolf
              Wolf 24 August 2020 18: 28 New
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              In fact, it was a rework (a new modernization smile ) old Mauser caliber 10,13mm for 7x57 and the rifle got a magazine for 5 rounds.
  • Yellow bubble
    Yellow bubble 23 August 2020 17: 49 New
    +1
    I didn't see anything new, it was high time to release something like that. But advertising, as if they saw a flying saucer.
  • Chever
    Chever 24 August 2020 01: 14 New
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    An interesting sample. Good luck to the creators
  • uav80
    uav80 24 August 2020 08: 51 New
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    Quote: bar
    They also make motorcycles ...

    These are more electric mopeds than motorcycles ...
    Outwardly, only the old Izh and that lurid turned out ...
    The motor plant in Izhevsk has long been closed and sold ...
  • Diviz
    Diviz 24 August 2020 10: 29 New
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    Changing the barrel on a sniper rifle is cool. There is also a titanium barrel for the campaign. In cod when to appear.?
    5.45 destructive power is small. If any explosive cartridge is made.
  • Romanenko
    Romanenko 26 August 2020 10: 47 New
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    It is very interesting to see a tarpaulin tape box on the RPL. An interesting solution and, most likely, this is also one of the "cherries on the cake" of this device.
    How will it behave in the field, unlike metal, of course, it has many advantages, but won't it "catch" cartridges for bullets and interfere with shooting during practical use?
    Although, I'll make a reservation again, I personally liked the canvas bag instead of the box
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 26 August 2020 20: 21 New
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      Quote: Romanenko
      but won't it "catch" bullets and interfere with shooting in practical use?

      No, bullets don't cling to the tarpaulin wassat
      The only negative is that if you soak it in slush and then freeze, there may be problems.
      But this issue is solved by high-quality moisture-repellent impregnation of the fabric base.
  • senima56
    senima56 26 August 2020 15: 19 New
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    Interesting: how quickly does the barrel change? As far as I know, on the RPL-16, the barrel was selected and installed in advance before going on a mission, depending on the upcoming conditions of fire contact. If it was supposed to shoot in an open area, a long barrel, if in urban conditions, a short one! There was no question of any "barrel changelessness"!
    1. Yermek Toleubayev
      Yermek Toleubayev 26 August 2020 18: 40 New
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      In this regard, the German MG-4 and 5 from HC look great, right? Barrel change can be done with one hand in 2-4 seconds!
  • Yermek Toleubayev
    Yermek Toleubayev 26 August 2020 18: 37 New
    +1
    I wonder if a quick barrel change is implemented? And the type of tape - loose or solid? And so a beautiful machine gun