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U.S. Navy begins development of new aircraft to replace F / A-18E / F Super Hornet

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U.S. Navy begins development of new aircraft to replace F / A-18E / F Super Hornet

The US Navy ordered the development of a new carrier-based aircraft aviation, which in the future will replace the Boeing F / A-18E / F Super Hornet. According to the American media, the new aircraft will be developed under the NGAD (Next Generation Air Dominance) program already launched by the US Navy.


It is stated that the program provides for the creation of a completely new aircraft, and not an improvement in existing models, despite the fact that for fleet it is proposed to combine the designs of the fifth generation fighter F-35 and F / A-18 with modern technologies to create future aircraft. At the same time, it is specified that the design will take into account the capabilities of the F-35C, but in the new aircraft all the shortcomings inherent in fifth generation fighters must be eliminated.

The US Navy plans that the new aircraft will significantly expand the coverage of aircraft carriers. It is already known that the new vehicle must have a combat radius of at least 1000 nautical miles. It is possible that the aircraft will be produced in single and double versions, although an unmanned version is also possible. Other details have not yet been reported.

The fleet command plans to take the aircraft into service in the early 2030s, as carrier-based F / A ‑ 18E / F Super Hornets will begin to withdraw from the Navy just at this time.

The program for creating a new carrier-based fighter in the United States has been announced for a long time. In December last year, the US Congress limited the allocation of funds for a promising aircraft. However, the US Navy hopes that as part of the reduction in the allocated funds for the F / A-18E / F Super Hornet program, the money saved will be redirected to the new aircraft.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 22 August 2020 14: 08
    -1
    Well, if the picture on the screensaver is about him, then, of course, it looks futuristic.
    1. Wwk7260
      Wwk7260 22 August 2020 14: 18
      +3
      production cars usually look much more conservative than their prototypes.
    2. Professor
      Professor 22 August 2020 14: 37
      +1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Well, if the picture on the screensaver is about him, then, of course, it looks futuristic.

      What futurism? This is already a harsh reality.

      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 22 August 2020 14: 47
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        What futurism? This is already a harsh reality.

        Just let's go without these things ...
        Let's wait until it is in metal / composite, and in a series, then we will evaluate what kind of airframe concept the designers have chosen.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 22 August 2020 14: 52
        0
        The USA and for the development of the sixth generation fighter until 2035 began to allocate money for the production of the F 35 launched, but business should not stand still
      3. Liam
        Liam 22 August 2020 14: 52
        +2
        Quote: Professor
        What futurism?

        You're right. This is a Boeing F / A-XX design concept. The program has been in development since 2009. Positioned as a 6th generation fighter.
        1. Professor
          Professor 22 August 2020 15: 08
          +5
          Quote: Liam
          You're right. This is a Boeing F / A-XX design concept.

          F / A-XX is NGAD
          The Navy's NGAD program, also known as F / A-XX, is more mysterious.
          https://www.defensenews.com/air/2020/06/23/congress-has-questions-about-the-air-force-and-navys-next-generation-fighter-programs/
      4. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 22 August 2020 16: 58
        +2
        This wing is simple, but there is a mixture of wing and integral layout. And this is a fighter with normal maneuverability.
  2. vitinka
    vitinka 22 August 2020 14: 15
    -3
    Is this an admission that f 35 B and C are all wrong and can be considered a cut?
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 22 August 2020 16: 15
      +7
      Quote: vitinka
      This is an admission that f 35 B and C alliaki are not suitable

      One of the requirements for the new aircraft: a combat radius of 1000 nautical miles (1 km). So with a flight range of at least 853 km.
      By the way,
      The F-35 has a combat radius without PTB and mid-air refueling:
      F35A ----- F35B ------ F35C
      1080 km - 865 km --- 1140 km
      Boeing F / A-18E / F Super Hornet
      Combat radius: 726 km
      Combat range: 2346 km (Without PTB, with 2 × AIM-9) [5]

      In other words, with a bomb load comparable to the F-35, the fuel in such an aircraft should be at least three times more. I think it will be the size of a Super Hornet (all the more, taking into account the stealth technology, all weapons must be hidden inside the aircraft), and weighing 30 tons.
      1. eklmn
        eklmn 22 August 2020 16: 54
        +5
        “I think it will be bigger than a Super Hornet (all the more, taking into account the stealth technology, all the weapons should be hidden inside the aircraft), and weighing 30 tons.”
        You think absolutely correctly. In general, there is nothing about the new aircraft in the article, although there is a lot of information.
        “From the outset, the F-35 was tied to designs that made sense in a time of lack of competition, such as relatively short range, low supersonic speeds and a small internal weapon bay. If the Pentagon knew in the mid-1990s what it does today, it might have asked for a completely different plane.
        Because Since 2020, the Pentagon will cut $$$ by 5%, then the Navy cannot develop from scratch, it is expensive, so they take the F-35 airframe as a basis and increase it. The aircraft will have 2 engines (already under development).
        “The new adaptive cycle engine, currently under development, adds a third stream to the existing afterburner turbofan engine design, allowing the pilot to optimize the engine for high performance or long range. General Electric, which is developing an adaptive cycle engine for the F-35, believes the new engine will increase the aircraft's range by 50%. "
        “Partial redesign of the aircraft's fuselage could increase the F-35's fuel capacity, allowing the new aircraft to meet its target of 50 percent longer range. Upgrading the avionics, computer system, and perhaps even the F-35's onboard laser weapons would complete what might ultimately be called the F-35D. ”
        https://www.yahoo.com/news/navy-finally-creating-americas-next-125700117.html
        1. Private-K
          Private-K 23 August 2020 09: 42
          -1
          Quote: eklmn
          From the very beginning, the F-35 was tied to design decisions that made sense during the period lack of competitionsuch as relatively short range, low supersonic speed and a small internal weapons bay. If the Pentagon knew in the mid-1990s what it does today, it might have asked for a completely different plane.

          I wrote about this here and on other resources 20 times. hi hi bully The Fu35 was conceptually made with the expectation that it would be the only modern fighter after the 2010s.
          And behind all the words of the defenders of Fu35 there is an obvious fact - the US Navy has officially refused to replace all its aircraft with Fu35. laughing - as intended crying ... And they want another aircraft altogether as the main carrier-based multifunctional fighter.
          1. eklmn
            eklmn 23 August 2020 15: 33
            0
            "The US Navy has officially refused to replace all its aircraft with Fu35 laughing - as intended."
            You absolutely did not understand the situation with either the F-18 or the F-35. The navy, as ordered, will order the F-35, but the two-seater F-2 Grouler still serve on the aircraft carriers - very powerful, for electronic warfare. So these are the F-18s of the Navy and wants to be replaced by 18. But since In Russia and China, the Su-2030 and J-57 appeared, then the US Navy wants an aircraft like that of the enemy.
            And if the US Navy ever builds a new "F-35D" (engines for it have already been developed), then it will be a completely different animal.
            1. Private-K
              Private-K 24 August 2020 09: 01
              +1
              I just understood the situation correctly.
              Of course, the US Navy is forced to purchase new Fu35 and in the future - due to the deterioration of the existing fleet. Of course, the Fu35 will remain on the decks of American aircraft carriers for a long time.
              But this is not from a good life, but "it happened." There is nothing else, but you have to fly on it.

              The fact of the matter is that the Americans did not expect the appearance of a new generation of fighters from the Russian Federation and China! This is the point! They believed that everything would end with the modernized Su-27 / Su-30. But already the Su-35 is knocking ahead, and the appearance of the Su-57, Jay-20, etc., as well as the dramatic improvement of the air defense system and the saturation of the troops with new air defense systems puts an end to the prospects of the already terribly buggy Fu35.

              the Americans planned to completely replace the entire fleet, incl. and carrier-based aviation by Fu35 aircraft. But they refuse it. Then the VVSniki will beg for themselves a "fat reketovoz" on the basis of the F-15, and now the dealers generally want completely different car than Fu35 - we tried Fu35, compared it with what they have, with what the pr-ka has, thought what would happen ... Nah, give us a completely different car, a completely different concept than Fu35. Shit!
              It won't be long before we learn that the Air Force will also want to receive from the 2020s something completely different from the "plane of the end of the history of the Fu35".
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 22 August 2020 17: 00
      0
      This means that they finish with F35 and the team begins to design further, the next - the 6th generation.
      1. eklmn
        eklmn 22 August 2020 18: 59
        +6
        “This means that the F35 ends and the team starts to design further, the next - the 6th generation.”
        Nobody finishes with the F-35, the article is kind of stupid. The US Navy wants to replace its F-18s with aircraft of the same performance characteristics or better. There is no money to build from scratch, and there will not be, but to change the F-35 airframe by making it with 2 improved engines - you can, there is money. And GE already has the engine.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 22 August 2020 22: 54
          0
          You do not understand ... we finished the design, passed it to the series ... and went on
          1. eklmn
            eklmn 22 August 2020 23: 19
            -1
            Thank you, you're right.
            The new adaptive engine will have:
            50% longer airborne time
            range will increase by 30%
            25% reduction in fuel consumption
            60% improved heat absorption, which allows you to diversify weapons.
            And here's a cartoon of how it works:

            https://youtu.be/T3eudKVbdG0?t=166
    3. figwam
      figwam 22 August 2020 18: 05
      -2
      the design will take into account the capabilities of the F-35C, but in the new aircraft all the shortcomings inherent in fifth-generation fighters must be eliminated.

      Yes, this is another confirmation that billions have been wasted, the F-35 is a failure of the program - a single strike fighter.
  3. Dart2027
    Dart2027 22 August 2020 14: 22
    +3
    I'm sorry, but what about the F-35?
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 22 August 2020 14: 29
      +3
      Quote: Dart2027
      I'm sorry, but what about the F-35?

      Why are you so merciless, straight not into the eyebrow, but into the eye ...

      Well, it didn't work out, it didn't work out request We wanted the best, but it turned out like ... Like the F-35 ...
    2. Professor
      Professor 22 August 2020 14: 40
      +3
      Quote: Dart2027
      I'm sorry, but what about the F-35?

      Can you read?
      the new aircraft will be developed as part of the NGAD (Next Generation Air Dominance), already launched by the US Navy.

      F-35 is not "the next generation", but "The present".
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 22 August 2020 14: 44
        +4
        And what is his "next"? Nothing says that he walks like the 6th generation. Moreover, the entire article is only about what was written about 35,22 at one time - a platform common for the MP corps and the army, the elimination of previous errors, etc.
        The program can be called whatever you want. And here "next" is solely so that the congressional budget committee does not begin to ask questions about where the previously allocated tens of billions have gone.
        1. Professor
          Professor 22 August 2020 15: 12
          -6
          Quote: RUnnm
          And what is his "next"?

          https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/strike-air-combat/6280-us-navy-told-to-get-a-move-on-with-next-gen-fighter-aircraft-program

          Of course in the cut. Can your uryak admit a different thought? wassat
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          2. RUnnm
            RUnnm 22 August 2020 15: 34
            +3
            The link to the closed page is "five"!))
            So how does he belong to the next generation? And then from you only lengthy explanations, in which 0 specifics.
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 22 August 2020 15: 42
              +3
              Quote: RUnnm
              The link to the closed page is "five"

              Doesn't come from Russia, I went through VPN.
            2. Professor
              Professor 22 August 2020 19: 36
              -2
              Quote: RUnnm
              The link to the closed page is "five"!))
              So how does he belong to the next generation? And then from you only lengthy explanations, in which 0 specifics.

              It works for me.
              https://taskandpurpose.com/military-tech/navy-next-generation-air-dominance-f-35

              Indeed, while next-generation fighter "would include many of the capabilities" as the Navy's current fleet of F-35C fighters, the aircraft will come "with updated technology and expanded range," naval analyst Bryan Clark told USNI News, part of an effort to expand the effectiveness of the US fleet of aircraft carriers at sea.
              The sixth generation, "will include many features."
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent 22 August 2020 14: 48
        -2
        Quote: Professor
        The F-35 is not the "next generation", but the "current" one.

        Which is likely to become the same short-lived phenomenon in the history of world aviation as the F-117.
      3. Liam
        Liam 22 August 2020 14: 55
        0
        Quote: Professor
        I'm sorry, but what about the F-35?

        F-35 S are going to replace the FA-18C / D (about 200 vehicles). This project is to replace the FA-18 E / F and Groler
      4. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 22 August 2020 15: 02
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        Can you read?


        Are you a professor? A pregnant Penguin, the Bish F-35, has not been registered on the decks of aircraft carriers to this day, however, USN wanted to change the Hornet. Something went wrong, as the rosy dreams suggested, of a single type of fighter for the Air Force, Navy, and ILC.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 22 August 2020 15: 10
          +3
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          However, USN wanted to change Hornet

          Super Hornet only (Hornets on F35), they want to change it since 2009, NGAD was launched then. I read the original source, we are talking about creating a project office that will draw up new requirements and send it to aircraft manufacturers. Those. this is just the beginning of the start of work. It is not clear what will be the result and the project will be implemented in general. We are talking immediately about creating a twin fighter and a slave UAV.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 22 August 2020 15: 11
            +2
            Quote: Grazdanin
            We are talking immediately about creating a twin fighter and a slave UAV.


            There must be one platform
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 22 August 2020 15: 15
              -1
              Is not a fact. They were undecided.

              https://news.usni.org/2020/08/18/navy-quietly-starts-development-of-next-generation-carrier-fighter-plans-call-for-manned-long-range-aircraft

              The idea of ​​just continuing to build new manned aircraft with longer range to try to overcome the ability of China, Iran or even Russia to fire long-range missiles at the carrier is kind of a losing game because missiles are cheap, ”he said. - Airplanes are expensive. So you are in a bad cost sharing situation. ”

              Combining a manned fighter jet with unmanned systems could help the service deal with this problem.

              “This could be a way to get around this exchange of value problem, where maybe the plane doesn't need to fly that far,” Clark said.
              “You know, an airplane can fly a thousand miles, and it doesn't matter if the enemy has an anti-ship ballistic missile two thousand miles long, because your manned airplane won't fly all that distance. He's going to stop for a thousand miles, and then these unmanned systems will do the rest. "
        2. Professor
          Professor 22 August 2020 15: 19
          -5
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          Quote: Professor
          Can you read?


          Are you a professor? A pregnant Penguin, the Bish F-35, has not been registered on the decks of aircraft carriers to this day, however, USN wanted to change the Hornet. Something went wrong, as the rosy dreams suggested, of a single type of fighter for the Air Force, Navy, and ILC.

          You definitely either don't know how to read, or you don't understand what you read. Above in the links, I indicated what kind of program it is and why.

          PS
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 22 August 2020 15: 45
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            You definitely either don't know how to read, or you don't understand what you read.


            Well, you probably don't understand what you read .... But don't be angry. Not everyone is given this, to understand ... Alas.
            And most importantly, do not be nervous.
        3. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 22 August 2020 16: 14
          +8
          "Pregnant Penguin, then Bish F-35 has not been registered on the decks of aircraft carriers to this day," ///
          ----
          Registered. Two training squadrons are flying on two aircraft carriers.
          And the third is formed - on the third.
          When the new aircraft begins to be produced, all aircraft carriers will operate on
          1-2 squadrons of F-35C. The rest are Superhornets.
        4. 3danimal
          3danimal 22 August 2020 23: 14
          0
          Pregnant Penguin

          Don't you find that the use of epithets in relation to aircraft from the “other side”, by default, calls into question your objectivity?
          In addition: the F-15 has a max overload of 8,5g, the MiG-31 -5g - they are not "pregnant". F-35A - 9g, and it became a "mattress"? Strange logic.
          1. Ali
            Ali 23 August 2020 11: 17
            0
            Quote: 3danimal
            Don't you find that the use of epithets in relation to aircraft from the “other side”, by default, calls into question your objectivity?
            In addition: the F-15 has a max overload of 8,5g, the MiG-31 -5g - they are not "pregnant". F-35A - 9g, and it became a "mattress"? Strange logic.

            Overload does not determine maneuverability in any way. Don't confuse warm with soft! And to this, what do you say - F-35V -7,5 g, F-35S - 7,5 g. In short, the F-35 is not a plane and is not of the 5th generation. F-35 was pregnant, and will remain pregnant.
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 25 August 2020 06: 11
              0
              And the F-35A didn't fly, is it? smile
              Version B has a complex layout (mechanisms for air handling units), which causes a lower Max overload. I am sure that for the Yak-141, the indicators would also be lower than for the MiG-29 and Su-27.
              In version C, I think the data on the wiki is incorrect. I see no reason for this. The latest models of the F-15 9g may have a limitation on the development time of squadrons on AB.
              In addition, there are reviews of pilots who flew the F-35A. It falls short of the nimble F-16 in a horizontal maneuver (but here the 16th and the Su-30 will do without OVT, only the MiG-29/35 can be compared), but comparable to the F-18, which is also quite good. And the thrust-to-weight ratio is good. With 50% fuel and weapons for air combat 1,07, against 1 in our Su-30.
              1. Ali
                Ali 25 August 2020 23: 48
                -1
                Quote: 3danimal
                In addition, there are reviews of pilots who flew the F-35A. It does not reach the nimble F-16 in a horizontal maneuver (but here the 16th and the Su-30 will "do" without OVT, only the MiG-29/35 can be compared)

                March to school, and don't write children's sayings. Su-30 has an engine with UVT a priori.
                Quote: 3danimal
                And the thrust-to-weight ratio is good. With 50% fuel and weapons for air combat 1,07, against 1 in our Su-30.

                And even better, when the F-35 will fly without fuel, the thrust-to-weight ratio will be 0. And so it is clear who you are!
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 26 August 2020 00: 36
                  -1
                  Su-30 has a priori UHT engine.

                  By default it has Su-30SM and Su-30MKI. On the base Su-30 there is an AL-31F without an OVT.
                  don't write childish statements

                  It's funny when an ignoramus calls other people that. smile
                  better, when the F-35 will fly without fuel, the thrust-to-weight ratio will be 0

                  Kindergarten. The Su-30 has a thrust-to-weight ratio of 1 also with 50 percent fuel. Here, more is better.
                  And it's so clear who you are!

                  It's about objectivity, if that.
                  1. Ali
                    Ali 26 August 2020 09: 25
                    +1
                    Quote: 3danimal
                    Su-30 has a priori UHT engine.

                    By default it has Su-30SM and Su-30MKI. On the base Su-30 there is an AL-31F without an OVT.

                    In my statement, the Su-30 is the general name of the aircraft, and you mean the Su-30M2.
                    In service with Russia:
                    * Russian Air Force - 91 units Su-30SM и 20 units Su-30M2 for 2020[51].
                    * Aviation of the Russian Navy - 22 units Su-30SM for 2020[52].
                    The Su-30MK2 aircraft is not purchased by the RF Ministry of Defense, which means it is not produced a priori, which means my expression is completely correct. Currently, only the Su-30SM with the AL-31FP engine (with UVT) is being purchased - (the common name of all modifications of the Su-30) - a priori the Su-30 has an engine with the UVT (AL-31FP) at the present time.
                    Therefore, I agree with your opponents that you do not know the meaning of Russian words, and what a figurative meaning is.
                    Quote: 3danimal
                    Better yet, when the F-35 will fly without fuel, the thrust-to-weight ratio will be 0.

                    Kindergarten. The Su-30 has a thrust-to-weight ratio of 1 also with 50 percent fuel. Here, more is better.

                    And here you are frankly write lies, as in many of his comments on VO.
                    The thrust-to-weight ratio of the Su-30:
                    at normal takeoff weight: 1,00.
                    Источник: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%83-30.Your beloved Wikipedia.
                    F-35 thrust-to-weight ratio
                    with normal takeoff weight F-35A = 0,8. F-35V = 0,88. F-35S = 0,75.
                    Source: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35. Your beloved Wikipedia.

                    It is ugly to write a lie. laughing
                    1. Ali
                      Ali 26 August 2020 10: 02
                      +1
                      The Su-30MK2 aircraft is not purchased by the RF Ministry of Defense ...

                      Oppiska, Su-30M2 will be correct.
                    2. 3danimal
                      3danimal 26 August 2020 12: 53
                      0
                      Therefore, I agree with your opponents,

                      Twist as you like. Will not work. I started the comparison with the Su-30, meaning the version WITHOUT OVT. For objectivity. Or does it seem to you that without OVT our 30 is too clumsy?
                      Your beloved Wikipedia.

                      It is ugly to write a lie. laughing

                      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II
                      Namely, YOUR beloved Wikipedia. From this article I took the data.
            2. 3danimal
              3danimal 25 August 2020 06: 27
              0
              F-35 was pregnant, and will remain pregnant.

              There is a lot of personal dislike and bias here. smile
              I understand, against the background of a kind of campaign in Runet, it is not difficult to come to this.
              Someone richer, produced several hundred new fighters, at a pace inaccessible to us (except that the Chinese request ). There will be 1900 of them in the States alone. And reading that “I drank it all and in general the Superjet will be more maneuverable”, I really want to believe ..
              1. Ali
                Ali 25 August 2020 23: 40
                -1
                Quote: 3danimal
                F-35 was pregnant, and will remain pregnant.

                There is a lot of personal dislike and bias here.

                Are you objective yourself? Always drown for the technology of Israel and the United States. Consciously, not knowing the topic at all.
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 26 August 2020 00: 44
                  0
                  Namely, having shoveled a lot of information.
                  I'm drowning for objectivity. On the "other" side there are capable people and serious models of technology, a number of models of which are superior to ours.
                  1. Ali
                    Ali 26 August 2020 02: 59
                    -1
                    Quote: 3danimal
                    Namely, having shoveled a lot of information.
                    I'm drowning for objectivity. On the "other" side there are capable people and serious models of technology, a number of models of which are superior to ours.

                    "You can't praise yourself - no one will!" "Don't wishful thinking!" You are not a Russian, are you? From here and drown for Israel and the United States. Your opuses are too biased! You do not know the real parameters of the compared technique and, besides, the technical side of the issue.
                    This is especially true for issues of radar. Therefore, your assumptions are groundless!
                    1. 3danimal
                      3danimal 26 August 2020 03: 20
                      -1
                      A very Russian (who does not watch Soloviev-TV, there are some smile )
                      You do not know the real parameters of the compared technique and, besides, the technical side of the issue.

                      I know those that are in open sources. Conversations about "super-secret parameters that no one will tell" are futile, since for the sake of objectivity, one must then assume that these "secret parameters" exist on the other side.
              2. Ali
                Ali 25 August 2020 23: 57
                +1
                Please do not write when you do not know the topic at all and do not need to bring your illiterate radar calculations, while making a lot of mistakes. And also do not confuse the interception of aerodynamic targets with ballistic ones and try to hide behind someone else's monograph, not understanding the essence of what you read. Write nonsense about MALD. I have already explained about the disadvantages of MALD on VO. To get started, finish school and change your translator.
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 26 August 2020 00: 50
                  0
                  bring your illiterate radar calculations, while making a lot of mistakes.

                  Bring your own, no mistakes good
                  try to hide behind someone else's monograph, not understanding the essence of what you read.

                  Offer your perspective, with a deep understanding of the essence good
                  Write nonsense about MALD. I have already explained about the disadvantages of MALD on VO

                  Waiting for details.
                  Finish school first

                  He graduated in 2001, in 2007 - a technical university.
                  change your translator.

                  What are you about??

                  In general, unexpectedly a lot of emotions smile
                  1. Ali
                    Ali 26 August 2020 02: 41
                    0
                    There weren't enough parrots for VO!
                    1. 3danimal
                      3danimal 26 August 2020 03: 17
                      0
                      Drain ??? Just like that smile
                      1. Ali
                        Ali 26 August 2020 09: 33
                        +1
                        3danimal is dedicated to:
                        "To shame a liar, make fun of a fool
                        And arguing with a woman is the same
                        What to draw water sieve:
                        Deliver us from these three, God! .. "M. Yu. Lermontov.
                      2. 3danimal
                        3danimal 26 August 2020 12: 54
                        0
                        3danimal is dedicated to:

                        Arguments ended, offended, went to the individual .. Infantilism? smile
        5. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 29 August 2020 16: 06
          0
          Quote: 3danimal
          default questions your objectivity?


          No, he doesn't. My most favorite aircraft are the 4th generation and this is the surprise F-15 Eagle and the Su-27.
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal 29 August 2020 18: 10
            0
            F-15 Eagle

            Ok, and how much is the F-15 superior to the F-35A in maneuverability?
            According to the pilots, version A is comparable to the F-18, which is very good.
            Where did the "non-maneuverability" bike come from?
            Let me guess. Someone number 1 in the chain of the "damaged telephone" said that without OVT, the F-35 has insufficient maneuverability for (generation. And the subsequent "numbers" converted these words into "Maneuverability is inferior to all 4 generation fighters (without OVT)". ...
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 30 August 2020 18: 14
              -1
              Quote: 3danimal
              Where did the "non-maneuverability" bike come from?

              Well, oh, well, compare the takeoff weight of both and the maximum power and afterburner. And everyone will see ..
              1. 3danimal
                3danimal 31 August 2020 05: 49
                0
                F-16
                21770kg Max takeoff
                11386kg fighter with 50% fuel (1,15 thrust-to-weight ratio)
                7900kg thrust b / force
                12970kg thrust afterburner

                F-15
                30845 Max takeoff
                17190kg fighter with 50% fuel (1,53 thrust-to-weight ratio)
                15820kg thrust b / force
                26400kg thrust afterburner (on the latest mod.)

                F-35A
                31800kg Max take-off weight
                17760kg fighter with 50% fuel (1,07 thrust-to-weight ratio)
                12000kg thrust b / force
                19000kg thrust afterburner

                The lower thrust-to-weight ratio compared to the F-15 (twin-engine) is a problem for single-engine fighters in general.

                But no one will argue that the F-15 will "twist" the F-16.
    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 22 August 2020 16: 04
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      The F-35 is not the "next generation", but the "current" one.

      Let me be curious, but when did the USA manage to switch to this very F-35?
      And by the way, the article says that
      The US Navy ordered the development of a new carrier-based aircraft, which in the future will replace the Boeing F / A-18E / F Super Hornet.
      This is if you do not know how to read. That is, the F-35, which was supposed to replace the 4th generation, is already "out of the game".
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 22 August 2020 16: 09
        +1
        Quote: Dart2027
        there is the F-35, which was supposed to replace the 4th generation, already "out of the game".

        F15, F22, F / A-18E / F were not originally planned to replace. F35 is replacing the A-10, F16, F / A-18, Harrier. Do not confuse warm with soft.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 22 August 2020 17: 50
          +1
          Quote: Grazdanin
          F15, F22, F / A-18E / F were not originally planned to replace. F35 is replacing the A-10, F16, F / A-18, Harrier.

          That is, the plane of the 5th generation is worse than the 4th?
          1. figwam
            figwam 22 August 2020 18: 10
            -1
            Quote: Dart2027
            That is, the plane of the 5th generation is worse than the 4th?

            That's it!
            None of the devil's advocates admits that this project has failed, they urgently begin to develop a new aircraft and resume production of 4th generation aircraft.
          2. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 22 August 2020 18: 36
            +1
            Initially, aircraft of different classes. Created for different purposes. GAZelle is no better and no worse than KAMAZ, these are different classes of cars.
      2. Professor
        Professor 22 August 2020 19: 45
        -1
        Quote: Dart2027
        Let me be curious, but when did the USA manage to switch to this very F-35?

        Long ago
        Of course, none of these deficiencies are preventing the Pentagon from actually deploying the F-35. According to Aviation Week, a dozen F-35As were sent to the Middle East last year to support operations against ISIS and deployed 150 weapons over the course of roughly 7,300 hours flown over 1,300 combat sorties.
        https://taskandpurpose.com/military-tech/navy-next-generation-air-dominance-f-35

        Quote: Dart2027
        This is if you do not know how to read. That is, the F-35, which was supposed to replace the 4th generation, is already "out of the game".

        This is not the only inaccuracy in the article under discussion. This is the plane of the NEXT, sixth generation.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 22 August 2020 20: 12
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          Long ago

          That is, they completely replaced all (or the vast majority) of the 4th generation with the 5th?
          1. Professor
            Professor 23 August 2020 20: 24
            0
            Quote: Dart2027
            Quote: Professor
            Long ago

            That is, they completely replaced all (or the vast majority) of the 4th generation with the 5th?

            Not. However, the production of the F-35 is in full swing and ATTENTION !!! its price is lower than the aircraft of the 4th generation.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 23 August 2020 21: 27
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              its price is lower than the aircraft of the 4th generation.

              Something is not very noticeable.
              https://rg.ru/2020/01/31/polsha-kupit-u-ssha-32-istrebitelia-bombardirovshchika-f-35.html
              https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/8131987
              1. Professor
                Professor 23 August 2020 22: 09
                -1
                The US Department of Defense has ordered 78 F-35 fighters for $ 4,7 billion ($ 60kk / plane).

                https://www.defensenews.com
                Boeing lands the first order of the F-15EX

                Each jet is projected to have a unit flyaway cost of $ 87.7 million.
                Is it noticeable now?
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 23 August 2020 22: 47
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  https://www.defensenews.com
                  Boeing lands the first order of the F-15EX

                  Boeing noted that the F-15EX carries more armament than any other fighter in its class and is capable of launching hypersonic weapons up to 22 feet long - roughly 7 meters - and weighing up to 7000 pounds - about 3,2 tonnes.
                  The F-15EX outperforms other, even more modern models, including the popular fifth-generation fighter F-35, in that it can reach speeds of more than Mach three.
                  https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2020/07/14/13151983.shtml
                  That is, cheaper and weaker.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 24 August 2020 19: 49
                    -3
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    That is, cheaper and weaker.

                    Why is it "weaker". The B-52 also carries more weapons, but ... they have different tasks.
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 24 August 2020 21: 02
                      0
                      Quote: Professor
                      but ... they have different tasks.

                      Various. Here are just a larger car and more expensive.
  4. Lopatov
    Lopatov 22 August 2020 14: 44
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    I'm sorry, but what about the F-35?

    It was considered that it was not expensive enough.
  5. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 22 August 2020 15: 00
    0
    And what about the Su-35 against the background of the Su-57? Likewise, the F-35 against the background of NGAD, as well as the Su-27 and Su-35, F-15 and F-22.
    1. figwam
      figwam 22 August 2020 18: 21
      0
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      And what about the Su-35 against the background of the Su-57?

      Everything is logical with us, we have the basic Su-27, which is gradually retiring, there is its deep modernization in the form of the Su-35, and the first aircraft of the fifth generation, the Su-57, is only planned to be delivered to the troops this year.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 22 August 2020 14: 31
    0
    So that's okay, although very expensive!
    Well, they do not like the penguin, they will create something more suitable.
    Anyway, they are trendsetters in aviation, for a long time, this must be recognized and work in the same direction, before it's too late! However, you can do it your way, the main thing is the end result!
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 22 August 2020 14: 42
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      Anyway, they are the trendsetters in aviation

      A very contradictory and largely unfounded statement ...

      Here's how to be, for example, with the General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon, the "workhorse" of the US Air Force, which was inspired by the impressions of the Soviet MiG-21, which the United States had a chance to encounter in the skies of Vietnam?
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 22 August 2020 15: 05
        +2
        F-15 and MiG-25
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 22 August 2020 15: 21
        +3
        What do you mean "served as a push"? The Yankees already had single-engine light fighters of the previous generation, then they made a very powerful, heavy phantom. We were convinced that we also needed a light, nimble fighter. We changed the concept of universalism to a logical division by specialization.
        Now they have again switched to universalism ... Yes, they have a craving to do one thing, but the same thing! Does not come out, they return from specialization.
        This is not the point. They create and apply novelties, techniques, tactics that many are trying to mess with them! Because a lot of what they create is really effective! That is why I claim that they are trendsetters. This, by the way, does not mean that everyone does everything as in them .... in their language it is very difficult, expensive, and many simply cannot do that. But all the same, in their developments, they are forced to look back at the Yankees, Schaub will not be much weaker.
        Something like this.
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 22 August 2020 14: 37
    -1
    This is what I understand the budget cut.
    The previous programs at 22,35 cost just cosmic sums, they are not finished yet, but it's time to master the new money.
    This is what I understand as a holiday for the Stars and Stripes taxpayers
    1. kutuz
      kutuz 22 August 2020 15: 06
      -3
      the opinion of a beggar, counting other people's money is in the genes! They have other incomes and, as a result, other costs, at least they are mastering space and new technology - and they succeed in everything, but here are some cartoons about promises.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 22 August 2020 15: 08
        +1
        Quote: kutuz
        and everything works out for them,


        You do not know a little, apparently how many advertised programs did not go beyond the stage of cartoons from the US Armed Forces.
      2. RUnnm
        RUnnm 22 August 2020 15: 13
        +1
        Calling the world's fifth economy poor is, of course, "five"!)))
        It's so nice to see your reaction!)) Ay, ay, ay, someone dared to look askance towards the shining stars and stripes on the hill! How foolish it is to think that the United States is infallible! Have you forgotten about the story with the stupidest SDI program, B117, etc. ?! Take out your tongue already from their fifth point, otherwise you are ashamed.
      3. Quadro
        Quadro 22 August 2020 16: 49
        -1
        Quote: kutuz
        the opinion of a beggar, counting other people's money is in the genes! They have other incomes and, as a result, other costs, at least they are mastering space and new technology - and they succeed in everything, but here are some cartoons about promises.

        Well, yes, such cartoons that your masters crap behind a puddle in earnest and began to scream that we stole everything from them and rushed to catch up. Oh, these amerskie torture from the stale.
    2. Gorecc
      Gorecc 22 August 2020 15: 07
      0
      What is it to you that you are so worried about cutting the American budget? you yourself say (when it is convenient for you) that they have a printing press, and they can print these "candy wrappers" as much as they want ..
      so what's the difference whether or not sawing, 100 million is a plane or 300? laughing
      it seems to me it's not about budgets and cuts, but the banal envy of the fact that the lag of Russia in aviation from the United States is very critical ... and with such an economy and education, this lag will only get worse ..
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 22 August 2020 15: 32
        -3
        1. It's nice to see an amateur ascribe to others his own statements about the machine.
        2. Moreover, I am sooooo glad that a potential adversary is throwing money away in this way, and the sooner the United States comes to the moment when its financial bubble bursts, the better it will be for the whole world.
        3. I think that only a specialized specialist can judge about our critical lag in aviation. But since you are so sure of this, then apparently you are just one of them?
        1. mark2
          mark2 22 August 2020 15: 45
          +4
          Sitting on the TopVara forum is counted for two years for the Army and for three years for design practice in the field of weapons development.
        2. Gorecc
          Gorecc 22 August 2020 15: 45
          +2
          the fact of the matter is that you do not need to be a specialized specialist to understand such obvious things that are understandable today even to a simple layman who is at least a little in the subject ... In terms of the quantitative and qualitative composition of the US Air Force, the Russian Air Force is head and shoulders above, and this gap will be only to increase ... as the technological and economic leadership of the United States today, and in the foreseeable future, is indisputable.
      2. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 22 August 2020 15: 48
        0
        Quote: Gorecc
        and education -


        They are worse off with this, don't worry so ...
        1. Gorecc
          Gorecc 22 August 2020 16: 03
          0
          yeah, of course worse .. in the United States, some of the best universities in the world, and these are not just words .. today, the vast majority of the most technologically advanced and innovative companies in the world are American.
          In addition to this, the United States is a magnet for world talents and minds, because they know how to create such conditions for work and personal growth that everyone who wants to grow and realize their potential rushes there, including talented Russians. The United States is not in danger of brain drain, but Rf she is in full swing ..
          1. Quadro
            Quadro 22 August 2020 16: 41
            +3
            Quote: Gorecc
            yeah, of course worse .. in the United States, some of the best universities in the world, and these are not just words .. today, the vast majority of the most technologically advanced and innovative companies in the world are American.
            In addition to this, the United States is a magnet for world talents and minds, because they know how to create such conditions for work and personal growth that everyone who wants to grow and realize their potential rushes there, including talented Russians. The United States is not in danger of brain drain, but Rf she is in full swing ..

            What a loyal bot. Amer torture from the kryzhopol. Look, do not drip from dryness. The brains are covered with Goebbels' methods, moreover, in the XNUMXs, since such nonsense was then written and it was already out of date. You better tell me about your stolen, how you get ahead.
            1. Gorecc
              Gorecc 22 August 2020 17: 08
              0
              argumentation at the level, a real jingoistic patriot good
              1. Quadro
                Quadro 22 August 2020 21: 41
                0
                Quote: Gorecc
                argumentation at the level of real good

                Are you throwing an arrow? Give sick pray to the icon in the form of a sga, but do not be distracted. It is better to be a jingoistic patriot of a NATIVE country than an urya-tortured foreign country, which you have nothing to do with, you sit farting in your kryzhopol. And it's not for you to cluck about argumentation, scribble a manual and that's it.
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 22 August 2020 17: 52
            +1
            Quote: Gorecc
            In addition to this, the United States is a magnet for global talents and minds, for they

            That is, all they can do is buy brains abroad?
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 22 August 2020 18: 07
              0
              Entice .....
          3. mark2
            mark2 22 August 2020 18: 01
            +4
            Well, the world knows that the US has the best universities only from the American rating agencies. However, at the World Mathematical Olympiads and Programming Olympiads, the Chinese and the Russians are in the lead with varying success. Engineering is not a popular profession in the United States. Locals prefer to be specialists in jurisprudence, medicine and some gender sciences. and therefore the Americans prefer to outbid the young and early through all kinds of development funds and grants. Unfortunately it works. It turns out that Russia spends its resources on training specialists, who then, though not all, but the best, leave for the United States.
            But there are still timid, so far timid, attempts to keep the specialists in their homeland are still being made. China does not let specialists go at all. Rumored on the net.
          4. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 22 August 2020 18: 07
            +1
            Quote: Gorecc
            the United States has some of the best universities in the world, and these are not just words ... today the vast majority of the most technologically advanced and innovative companies in the world are

            This is exactly what just words, it is impossible to have a good tower after dropping school education below the plinth.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 22 August 2020 14: 48
    +1
    In the photo in the title of the article there is an airplane from the Stealth movie, but here characteristics, such as flight speed, are not indicated, so the new airplane will probably not be close to the photo.
  • kutuz
    kutuz 22 August 2020 15: 01
    +3
    "to take the aircraft into service in the early 2030s" - just at that time, the Su57 will arrive in time.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 22 August 2020 15: 36
    -2
    Two took off, waiting for the entire wing to take off. 1000 miles, we readily believe. Aviki is for banana republics, without air defense, such as Libya. AUG came up and silence, even from Epipt you could not hear anything.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 August 2020 15: 44
      +2
      In the future, these aircraft can use dozens of kamikaze drones - in order to exhaust and destroy air defense systems.
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 22 August 2020 16: 01
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        in the future, these aircraft can use dozens of kamikaze drones

        Not necessarily a kamikaze. All new programs, which include an aviation component, consider working with drones as a priority. This week, the US Army rolled out a new concept for the destruction of air defense with new UAVs.
        https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/35726/the-army-has-unveiled-its-plan-for-swarms-of-electronic-warfare-enabled-air-launched-drones
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 22 August 2020 15: 42
    +2
    And what are you arguing about?
    They clearly said: "The US Navy has ordered the development of a new carrier-based aircraft"
    This means that the pictures from the bulldozer are clearly not the same, and the title is a lie, and the timing is somewhere.
    Wait a year or two, and something more specific will go ...
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 22 August 2020 15: 52
      +1
      Quote: Alex2000
      The US Navy ordered the development of a new carrier-based aircraft

      They haven't even ordered yet. So far, we have created a project office that will develop a task and send it to aircraft manufacturers. Those. Boeing, Lockheed Martin, etc. there is no order for pre-design work yet.
      In general, the story began with the fact that the Senate committee did a sticking to the Navy because of the Super Hornets. They say why we spend money on "old" aircraft, it's time to buy new ones.
      1. Aleks2000
        Aleks2000 22 August 2020 16: 20
        0
        Moreover, not to be scattered with lazy photos ...
  • mark2
    mark2 22 August 2020 15: 43
    0
    every week here, on VO and not only information from the United States comes in about the beginning of the development of one or another How-Know. It is very interesting.
    but the sense will be from the created. where is the information about what has been created? What do the Americans want, we see, and what did they get from the wants? Terrible, super-powerful combat lasers promised by Reagan, are they, as I understand it, still waiting?)
    1. Quadro
      Quadro 22 August 2020 16: 53
      +1
      The local bots have to cluck about our cartoons. But why does it smell like shit from overseas and their top squeals that we stole everything from them? Look how the bots above are licking ass sga, goebbels resting
  • Operator
    Operator 22 August 2020 15: 48
    +1
    Bye, we sailed - and the deck version of the penguin-shaped Phy-35Tse should be scrapped? laughing
  • K-50
    K-50 22 August 2020 16: 13
    0
    The US Navy has ordered the development of a new carrier-based aircraft that will replace the Boeing F / A-18E / F Super Hornet in the future.

    Hike Fu-35 is still not ice, no matter how much you advertise it! fellow laughing
  • nikolaevskiy78
    nikolaevskiy78 22 August 2020 16: 32
    0
    But what about the F-35S?
    Will orders be cut? :-)
    1. Quadro
      Quadro 22 August 2020 16: 53
      -2
      Saw, comrade, saw.
      1. nikolaevskiy78
        nikolaevskiy78 22 August 2020 18: 11
        -1
        I wish them to cut more of the past 1 trillion. ))))
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 22 August 2020 22: 43
      +2
      Here is the last of the Pentagon's orders for the F-35. 78 aircraft.
      April 2020 year.
      Of these, 48 "A", 14 "B", 16 "C".
      For aircraft carriers 16 pieces of F-35C

      The contract includes 48 conventional takeoff and landing F-35As for the US Air Force,
      14 short take-off and vertical landing F-35Bs for the Marine Corps, and 16 carrier-borne F-35C stealth fighters.
      Work is expected to be complete by March 2023, according to the DoD statement
  • Lesorub
    Lesorub 22 August 2020 17: 03
    +1
    U.S. Navy begins development of new aircraft to replace F / A-18E / F Super Hornet

    Interestingly, the F-35 does not suit the states as a carrier-based fighter ?! or they want to load Northrop factories - whatever they are idle - in any case it is interesting to see what they are plaguing.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 22 August 2020 17: 17
      0
      Quote: Lesorub
      Interestingly, the F-35 does not suit the states as a carrier-based fighter ?!

      What does the F35 have to do with it? Thinking about replacing the Super Hornet, the Hornets change to the F35. As there were 2 types of fighters / attack aircraft on the Aircraft Carriers, it will remain so.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 22 August 2020 17: 58
        +1
        Well, do not broadcast at least this nonsense. One type of tactical aircraft on aircraft carriers and for a very long time. From the moment Tomket was written off
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 22 August 2020 18: 40
          0
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          One type of tactical aircraft on aircraft carriers and for a very long time.

          This has never happened. Since the F14 was decommissioned, there have been Hornet and Super Hornet. With their similarity, these are different aircraft. Until the 30th there will be Super Hornets and F35s.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 22 August 2020 19: 41
            0
            Quote: Grazdanin
            With their similarity, these are different aircraft.


            Of course it is not. This is one type of aircraft. Evolved.
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 22 August 2020 21: 15
              +1
              Evolution in general from the F5 goes, but as the Hornet is qualitatively superior to the F5, so the Super Hornet is superior to the Hornets. Development allowed the F14 Super Hornets to replace. And the type of modern fighters of the 4th generation is the same: Multipurpose fighter-bomber. Technically, there is little in common between Hornet and Super Hornet, only the schemes are similar. Avionics, engines, glider changed everything.
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 22 August 2020 21: 25
                +2
                Quote: Grazdanin
                Multipurpose fighter-bomber. Technically, there is little in common between Hornet and Super Hornet, only the schemes are similar. Avionics, engines, glider changed everything.


                Я reasonably, I think this point of view is not correct.
                1. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 22 August 2020 22: 52
                  0
                  It would be interesting to read. In my opinion, there are more differences than between the Mig 29/35
          2. Lesorub
            Lesorub 22 August 2020 19: 45
            +4
            Quote: Grazdanin
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            One type of tactical aircraft on aircraft carriers and for a very long time.

            This has never happened. Since the F14 was decommissioned, there have been Hornet and Super Hornet. With their similarity, these are different aircraft. Until the 30th there will be Super Hornets and F35s.

            F-18E / F (Super Hornet) - further development of the F-18 C / D Hornet - they have the same functionality! )
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 22 August 2020 20: 59
              0
              The FA-18 is a further development of the YF-17, which in turn is the development of the F5.
              FA-18E / F went to replace A6, A7, F14. The F18 is replacing the FA-35 C / D.
            2. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 22 August 2020 21: 26
              +1
              Quote: Lesorub
              F-18E / F (Super Hornet) - further development of the F-18 C / D Hornet - they have the same functionality! )

              1. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 22 August 2020 22: 49
                +1
                Well? Even the picture shows the differences. Here is F5 for comparison.

                Our twins are so outwardly
  • 123456789
    123456789 22 August 2020 22: 09
    0
    Quote: kutuz
    "to take the aircraft into service in the early 2030s" - just at that time, the Su57 will arrive in time.

    that's why they are pulling with the release of the Su-57, because the advantages of the 5th generation over the 4th are not obvious
  • Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich 22 August 2020 23: 07
    -2
    there is money, why not start ... ?? repeat
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 23 August 2020 18: 38
    0
    Shit. What about the super duper penguin? Well, yes, they screwed up again ...