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The case of bullying in the Israeli army

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The case of bullying in the Israeli army

11 senior soldiers of the Kfir Brigade are accused of beating a Nachshon battalion soldier. The incident occurred last Thursday at a military base, when a soldier was "punished" for not agreeing to go through the ceremony of initiation into the old soldiers.

As a result of the incident, the victim was examined by a military doctor and, due to fears of internal injuries, it was decided to take him to the intensive care unit at Haémek Civil Hospital in Afula. Two days later he went on the amendment and was transferred to the general office.

Israeli publications say that the injured soldier (his name was not disclosed) has been serving in the battalion for a year and a half, but despite this is considered a “young fighter”.

“They beat me with their hands and feet when I was already lying on the floor. I covered my face with my hands, asked them to stop, but it did not help. I thought I would die,” the victim described what happened to him last Thursday.

In this case, eleven soldiers have already been arrested, the investigation continues. Some of the detainees confessed to the crime, but stated that they “sentenced” the soldier only to “12 comic strikes,” and not to cruel beating. According to them, at the beginning of the service, they also had to undergo similar ceremonies. According to one of those arrested: "Everything was a joke. We were not going to hurt him. It was so accepted here."


Suspects on the way to the military court for extension.


The soldier’s mother described what was happening to her in recent days: “What happened there simply doesn’t fit in my head. I still cannot believe it, and my son is still in a state of shock. When I sent him to the army , I thought that something could happen, after all he was in combat units. But I couldn’t imagine anything like that. So that my son suffered at the hands of other soldiers ... "From the words of the mother, whatever the decision of the military court, the family is going to file a civil action against those arrested for moral and material damages ba

The soldier himself claims that nothing like this had happened to him before. He also told relatives that, despite what happened, he wants to return to serve in his company.

The public outcry caused by the incident in Israeli society is noteworthy. Issues News central television channels, including the Russian one, opened with reports of this incident, and photographs of the injured and arrested soldiers did not leave the main pages of the central newspapers.

In connection with the incident, the soldier’s complaints officer (an interesting service that should have been written in more detail), retired Major General Yitzhak Brik sent letters to the entire IDF commanding staff, where he declared an all-out war against this phenomenon and demanded silence relation to such relationships between the old servicemen and the young soldiers.


Colleagues visiting the victim.


The army reported that after receiving the news of the incident, the brigade commander, Colonel Udi Ben-Mokh, immediately went into a large-scale inspection to determine which commander knew about the existence of such "traditions" and about the relationship between old-timers and recruits. The brigade commander has already removed all those arrested from their posts, and disbanded the company itself. “The military police are investigating all the circumstances of the incident. Upon completion of the investigation, its results will be transferred to the military prosecutor’s office,” said Ben-Mocha.
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  1. tan0472
    tan0472 8 August 2012 06: 58
    +1
    1) The injured soldier has been serving in the battalion for a year and a half, but despite this he is considered a "young soldier".
    2) He also told relatives that, despite what had happened, he wants to return to serve in his company.
    3) The brigade commander has already removed all those arrested from their posts, and disbanded the company itself.
    Question: "The young soldier said that he wants to return to serve in the company before he learned about the disbandment of the company or after?
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 8 August 2012 13: 19
      +3
      In Israel, soldiers serve a year and two with their call, after which they transfer to a company of old-timers.
  2. Vanek
    Vanek 8 August 2012 07: 00
    -1
    "They beat me with their hands and feet when I already lay on the floor. I covered his face with his hands asked them to stop, but this did not help. I thoughtthat I will die ", so described the victim what happened to him last Thursday.

    request
  3. vu-orlov
    vu-orlov 8 August 2012 07: 02
    +1
    And they said that this only happens to us
    1. slas
      slas 8 August 2012 08: 42
      +2
      Quote: vu-orlov
      And they said that this only happens to us
      : Read less and trust the Western press
    2. scrack
      scrack 8 August 2012 09: 37
      +3
      Americans also have hazing
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 8 August 2012 13: 20
      +4
      Hazing exists in all armies, the question is how it manifests itself, and how frequent are its manifestations. For Israel, such a manifestation is shock and nonsense, rather than regular practice.
      1. Malkav
        Malkav 23 June 2014 10: 07
        0
        I would say more precisely - the question is how the command and society react to these manifestations. The system is characterized not by the presence of errors, but by the reaction to them.
  4. thatupac
    thatupac 8 August 2012 07: 07
    -3
    And all because the Jews of 3.14 do not know how to live without a pale. Here we have a light meal without bruises and witnesses. And even before that, they constantly pressurize morally and psychologically, so that the deer does not relax and knows that, having written his squiggle on someone, on the same evening it will "die and drown." In general, it is necessary to prove the fact of hitting him. There are some inept people in the IDF. Ridiculously straight. Anyway. What does hazing have to do with it? Maybe that beaten Jewish torso just e..lom didn't come out and took a lot on himself, huh?
    1. slas
      slas 8 August 2012 08: 44
      +1
      Quote: thatupac
      Here we have 3.14 children in the lungs without bruises and witnesses. And even before that, they are constantly morally and psychologically crushing,

      What's the catch?
      1. thatupac
        thatupac 8 August 2012 09: 08
        0
        And the joke is that if you don't want to get lost, you don't like working as a servant, you don't like giving up your money allowance, you want to enjoy certain privileges, you want to serve with dignity, then fight for it. In particular, you need to find someone who will fulfill him for you, your, well, other people's duties. And since there are few who want to voluntarily get involved, then you have to explain to you such or such a collective is far from being on your fingers, who is who. Learn from the Caucasians: the little hawks are in the air, and the Caucasians are resting. Loosely translated into great and mighty, this means that the Caucasians "processed" the Russians in such a way that the Russians fulfill both for themselves and for the same Alik, Aslambek, Azamat and Kazbek duties, which the latter are not happy with. Who is stronger in the team is right. These are the pies ...
        1. DIMS
          DIMS 8 August 2012 09: 20
          +1
          Before you write this comment you read what was written?

          In the comments it is forbidden: insult and threats, obscenities, inciting
          ethnic hatred


          With literacy problems, or do a specific task, kindle? This is not the first time I've noticed this. And not only on this site.

          And in general, my friend, trolling is not good.
          1. thatupac
            thatupac 8 August 2012 09: 39
            +1
            And then there is discord? Learn the mat. part. Why do you think the Caucasians decided not to call in the Army? Because they essentially put her on her knees in absentia. Yes, to such an extent that they were already completely abandoned. In Soviet times, they dissociated themselves from them, sending them to the same construction battalion. And right now he’s not calling at all. And this is when the Russians in large numbers mow up at elevated tones to finally create a contract Army. But in general ... Fapayte on Sarga, Kondopoga, Manezhka and the conviction of Mirzaev. Indeed, this is the only way to deal with these newcomers and Caucasians: quietly and from behind. Thank you for the attention...
  5. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 8 August 2012 07: 10
    +2
    Я thought that I will die ", this is how the victim described what happened to him last Thursday.
    Is that a typo? Or maybe they beat him for this? lol
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 8 August 2012 07: 49
      +3
      Hermaphrodite was apparently kicked. Then I understand them. You won’t be indulged in serving such a miracle of Judah.
  6. Apollo
    Apollo 8 August 2012 07: 18
    +4
    Apparently guests from Israel will soon arrive tearfully asking for help in restoring order and discipline in the armed forces of Israel.
  7. thatupac
    thatupac 8 August 2012 07: 26
    0
    In general, this Jew would not have to be beaten, but simply that he had to steal something from the number of weapons attached to him. I would immediately go to the bunk of Israel and the water in the team would not balamutil. We have how: I lost a bayonet-knife - please, you are welcome to travel for a year at least to the Mulino sanatorium or near Chita. They know nothing there in the tzahal. And as you know: if you do not know how - do not handle. Sleeping? Let them get to the full.

    But I don’t understand why the Jews are still messing with the draft army? The territory of the country is small - they would do everything under a contract. They, the Jews, have a lot of smart people, and among the Russians there with their heads, I'm sure everything is 5 points. Would make professional contract teams. And the rest of the citizens would not be touched. And then, even women !, you see, are obliged to get involved there from 2 to 3 years. And who needs it? That's who needs it, let it serve there. And then I read that the salary of a Jewish soldier or soldier compared to civilian work is mildly low. Why hunchback? Anyway, if there is a serious mess, Israel will not save anything. It’s just that cannon fodder mobilization at one time will stretch for 2-3 years longer, but it will disappear anyway. Here, the United States will throw its Israel there, give it to the Arabs to be torn to pieces - everything, khan everything. Nothing will save. And also forced to push in. They even have an official slope there - be a religious fanatic of Judaism, and you don’t have to do crap for 2-3 years. I do not understand them ...
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 8 August 2012 13: 23
      +3
      Because the draft army is cheaper and more effective than the contract. The draft army, when everyone serves, is the unity of society. And in order to maintain the country's defense capability, large masses of people are needed. Georgia has a contract army. How it ended for them, today you can remember especially well.

      The level of training does not depend on whether a soldier serves on a draft or on a contract, but on how he is trained for service.
      1. Malkav
        Malkav 23 June 2014 10: 10
        0
        I would not say that it is more effective. Efficiency is determined, in my opinion, not by the principle of formation, but by the level of training, weapons and equipment. And also, importantly, the motivation of the fighters.
        Here is an example of the most powerful army in the world - the American. Fully contractual basis, no appeal. And the highest level of professional training.

        But the Georgian army turned out to be worse than the Russian one, not because it refused the draft, but simply because the weight categories are basically unequal.
  8. Armata
    Armata 8 August 2012 07: 51
    +2
    Note that the article was posted by the Professor, and he lives in Israel. I respect objectivity, although sometimes we argue with him.
    1. bachast
      bachast 8 August 2012 07: 54
      +1
      But what is objectivity? Translated?
      1. Armata
        Armata 8 August 2012 08: 13
        +3
        The fact that he never hides anything, although he always argues to drool about the Israeli army. This article I could simply not appear here and then different Abramovichs would still be dusting that they have no problems.
        1. bachast
          bachast 8 August 2012 08: 16
          +3
          Well, I see. It’s just fine for me if the world’s news related to the army is published here.
        2. thatupac
          thatupac 8 August 2012 08: 16
          +1
          They are all there on their dribble trick. This is all because they are offended that they have to suffer 3 years of garbage. So they write here that they say there are fur seals in the IDF grown according to the type of Seagal, Schwartz, Stallone in one person, the equipment they have is omeigadble. But even so, it is clear that 3 years of life is wasted. Hehe ...
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 8 August 2012 13: 27
            +3
            I personally do not think that I spent three years of my life empty. I know for sure that I saved people.
        3. slas
          slas 8 August 2012 08: 34
          +1
          Quote: Steam Train
          This article I could simply not appear here and then different Abramovichs would still be dusting that they have no problems.

          Yeah, but we are like barbarians and we don’t know what’s going on in the world and what life really is (including in the army) we would drink vodka! ) It seems that half in the army did not serve and the proffesor and scribes of science open their eyes to us. They have no problems laughing
          1. igor67
            igor67 8 August 2012 08: 42
            +4
            slas,
            that there wouldn’t be an opinion that the IDF, the most dingy in the world, like any army has army traditions, no matter how cruel they seem,
            1. slas
              slas 8 August 2012 13: 05
              +1
              Quote: igor67
              what would not be the opinion th

              God forbid, my opinion is normal and ----
              Quote: igor67
              as in any army, there are army traditions, no matter how cruel they seem,

              You understand that perfectly) I agree with you
          2. Armata
            Armata 8 August 2012 08: 47
            +3
            First Professor is a nickname. Secondly, do you know their language so well that you can read everything in the original or constantly watch their Russian-language sites? And if you look, then this particular news is most important for you?
            Quote: slas
            proffesora and okodemyki sciences to us
            1. slas
              slas 8 August 2012 13: 17
              0
              Quote: Steam Train
              First Professor is a nickname.

              I am in the know)
              Quote: Steam Train
              Do you know their language so well that you can read everything in the original or constantly watch their Russian-language sites? And if you look, then this particular news is the most important for you?

              What I’m interested in, I’ll read and it doesn’t matter what language and what is important for me or not, I will somehow decide myself)) when I wrote that -
              Quote: slas
              proffesorov and okodemyki sciences open their eyes to us

              I didn't mean the person with the nickname "professor". Well, something like this )))
      2. Professor
        8 August 2012 10: 21
        +3
        Translating from? This time I am the author.
  9. igor67
    igor67 8 August 2012 07: 54
    +1
    Israeli paratroopers riot

    The soldiers of the support battalion of 202 of the Tsankhanim brigade rebelled against the officers who tried to impose a ban on wearing the patchouli amphorae. The fighters of battalion 202 consider this tradition to be their exclusive and inalienable right.

    The riot was expressed in the fact that the soldiers declared an Italian strike. In other words, they do everything at the wrong time or not to the end.


    The tradition of wearing "patchouli" goes back decades. About ten years ago, it was customary to wear them under uniform, but in recent years, the inalienable right of the battalion fighters was to wear copper amphorae in plain sight. The amphorae are purchased at a flea market in Jaffa. According to legend, the fighters must fill them with secretions of the female Bartholin gland.


    "They have nothing to do. How are they interfering with them? For a long time no one has actually filled these jugs with a" souvenir "from their girlfriend. But they still say that this is not appropriate," said one of the servicemen.


    Read more about the roots of the tradition of wearing "patchouli" in the LiveJournal of the famous Israeli blogger Alexander Nakaryakov (Nakaryak)


    In recent months, this is not the first riot in the Tsanghanim brigade. Last October, a serious incident occurred less than a week after the brigade was appointed duty officer for the division. In the battalion 890, serving in Hebron, 8 senior servicemen refused to obey the order and left the fortified point without permission.
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 8 August 2012 08: 20
      +2
      He stole, apparently, the Jewish paratroopers. We would have quickly dealt with such people: for a week, mass cult, tactical exercises on the territory with uneven terrain, working out the standard "camouflage on the ground by digging in place". And there is a lot more that fantasy can come up with. The Jews caught the slack. And you need harder, harder and harder again.
    2. Odessa
      Odessa 8 August 2012 08: 27
      +3

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    3. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 8 August 2012 08: 41
      0
      Guys fooled around ... besides tradition (which by the way is unapproved) - there are also rules for wearing uniforms! If you want to wear an amphora - hide it under the uniform and wear it, which you did before - then who decided to climb up - a la we are cooler than eggs, and above the mountains. And about the 8 grandfathers who fell from the fighting post - they were tribunal to them, and to the disbat. They strengthened points (as far as I know) mainly along the border with Palestine. Soldiers are gone - and after them militants - several families will be slaughtered and who will answer?
      1. igor67
        igor67 8 August 2012 09: 08
        +1
        kotdavin4i,
        I agree, they were snickering, but in order to change it is necessary to introduce the Charter, I just didn’t understand if there was a charter in the IDF, or not, my daughter served, she doesn’t know what it is, That's when Shalit was kidnapped in a tank on the border, the guys were sleeping, and not woke upobservers at the checkpoint were also distracted. At 5.40 am on June 25, 2006, a group of 8 well-armed Palestinian terrorists infiltrated from Gaza into Israel through a tunnel dug between the Sufa and Kerem Shalom checkpoints. A preliminary investigation into the incident on the border with the Gaza Strip showed that the terrorists managed to dig a tunnel more than 800 meters long - about 600 meters to the security fence and another 200 meters under Israeli territory.

        After that, the militants split into two groups. Three terrorists fired an anti-tank missile at an armored vehicle, which was standing near the checkpoint. The armored personnel carrier was blown up and caught fire. The commander of the Gaza division, General Aviv Kohavi, said at a press conference that this armored personnel carrier was "a distraction" and was deliberately left empty just to be a distraction in the event of an attack, and fulfilled its task.

        The second group of militants attacked the tank at the IDF near Kerem Shalom. The tank was fired at close range by anti-tank grenades from a Russian-made RPG-7 grenade launcher.

        Shelling from a grenade launcher inflicted minor damage to the tank, however, the tank crew were apparently shell-shocked.

        Then the terrorists tried to open the rear hatch of the tank, but it was closed from the inside. Then they climbed onto the tower, pulled out the tank commander Lieutenant Hanan Barak and senior sergeant-loading Pavel Slutsker through the upper hatch and shot them at point blank range. The officer and sergeant were in a state of concussion after the rupture of an anti-tank grenade and were not able to resist.
        Art. Sergeant Pavel Slutsker (1985-2006)
        1. thatupac
          thatupac 8 August 2012 09: 41
          -2
          But if the Israeli army were contracted and professional, then this would not have happened.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 8 August 2012 13: 30
          +1
          There is no charter in the Russian sense. There are ethical standards, and certain standards.
  10. kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 8 August 2012 07: 54
    0
    It’s interesting that the girls are dancing .... Due to a case of unreliable relations, to raise such fuss in the press, to remove officers to disband the company ?? Is there really no hazing in the army of the Tsakhal? Something I can not believe. it seems that it smells like a mishandled Cossack - they made a big noise specially.
    1. igor67
      igor67 8 August 2012 08: 05
      +3
      On the Israeli Internet passions are again raging. This time, because of the photo, there are 5 soldiers who were photographed in one unloading. vests and helmets. Most likely the photo was taken on the course of a young fighter at one of the army bases.

      kotdavin4i,
      hazing occurs, but in combat units it’s a rarity I think no one wants to get a bullet in the back of the head, there are traditions, but this gold has decided to slough off in the hospital, maybe he can cut money from the army through the court
      1. Odessa
        Odessa 8 August 2012 08: 21
        +4
        And that's not all.

        On Sunday, August 5, a request was filed to the Tel Aviv Labor Conflict Court for recognition of a lawsuit against the state of Israel, the Ministry of Defense and the Israel Defense Forces in the amount of 40 billion shekels.
        The plaintiff, a demobilized soldier Michelle Salman, accuses the state of cynical use of a large part of the population under the pretext of a lack of budget, "contrary to the aspirations of Zionism, Jewish tradition, the UN convention on human rights and natural morality."
        "You cannot use people in conditions of slavery, it is impossible that the employer does not pay the employee, even if the employer is the army, and the workers are soldiers," the statement of claim says. Salman emphasizes that the payment of 350 shekels per month, which is received by a conscript in the rear, cannot be called a salary.
        According to The Marker, Salman’s lawyers are demanding that the labor dispute court treat soldiers of temporary service as workers, and the IDF and the Ministry of Defense as employers paying a salary of 2 shekels per hour.
        The amount of the claim is made up of the payment of compensation to all conscripts over the past seven years. In addition, the plaintiff demands that the state begin to pay the minimum wage to conscript soldiers.
        1. igor67
          igor67 8 August 2012 08: 28
          +3
          Odessa,
          The good news for both the economy and citizens: the Ministry of Finance intends to promote the reform of military military service, which was conceived back in 2006.

          The service life of men will be reduced from 36 to 28 months. In addition, the service life of soldiers in the rear will be reduced by another 4 months.

          Guys who serve in combat units will receive a salary equal to the average salary for this age in the labor market in the last 4 months of a 28-month service. That is, 5 thousand shekels a month. A budget supplement will be allocated for this army.

          “The Ministry of Finance will carry out this reform, as he is interested in it,” explained prof. Avi Ben Basat. “The ministry understands how important this is, at least I got this opinion.”

          Next Wednesday, August 15, the government will meet to discuss the budget of the Ministry of Defense, where this issue will be raised. Globes recalls that the program for reducing the service life has already been approved by the government in 2006, and it remains only to introduce it into budget agreements.

          “The armies decide who will serve for how long,” Ben-Basat continued. - Each combat soldier will receive in the last 4 months a large salary from a special fund that the army will have. The army will feel the true value of one or another soldier, and will decide for itself what it needs more: more soldiers or more equipment. There will be a more efficient allocation of appropriations between military personnel and equipment. ”

          One of the reasons that prompted the government to reduce the period of military service, Ben-Basat calls a sharp increase in the number of soldiers of military service: between 1990 and 2011, this figure increased by 16 percent. First of all, thanks to a large aliyah from the former Union.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 8 August 2012 13: 32
            0
            It is unlikely that this will end up in a ride. Tried several times.
        2. thatupac
          thatupac 8 August 2012 09: 12
          +1
          Well done, aunt. I don’t know how in Israel, but in the USA, where the law is very respected, she could win her job. And here she most likely does not shine much. But the precedent is important. Do you want to serve? Pay as freely as hired! Tea, not some dense Russia, the country of Israel.
      2. slas
        slas 8 August 2012 08: 25
        +2
        Quote: igor67
        On the Israeli Internet passions are again raging. This time, because of the photo, 5 soldiers

        I do not see this crime --- a beautiful girl and in a machine-gun tape will remain beautiful
      3. thatupac
        thatupac 8 August 2012 08: 28
        +1
        In combat units, hazing is the same as in simple units. Do not la la. Tested on himself and while serving on guard duty and at posts while serving in Chechnya in 2006. Caucasians fiercely found themselves at a permanent deployment point on the mainland, and at a temporary point in Chechnya. But no one killed anyone there. Because everyone understands that one shot - and your life immediately ends with either a prison or finishing off by other military personnel.

        And the chickens there in the tzahal, as I look, are serving in full razabon. Although they do not serve in the tzahal, they are serving the service. The Jewish Party said to serve, obligation, then serve. We would have them at one time in the barracks. They would have taught them both to love their homeland and to love ammunition ... well, everything else is also a principle.
        1. igor67
          igor67 8 August 2012 08: 35
          +4
          thatupac,
          Quote: thatupac
          And the chickens there in the tzahal, as I look, are serving in full razabon. Although they do not serve in the tzahal, they are serving the service.

          I put a minus, because not the heifers, but the girls, my daughter served 2 years and never regretted, but only cried when she finished the service, and did not think about any duty
          1. thatupac
            thatupac 8 August 2012 09: 20
            +1
            Yes, yes, yes, she did not think, we know, we know the tales about the white bull and the red calf. I counted the days when this obligation would end. It is not a woman's business to serve as secretaries and soldier women with claims to serve in the Army. Better to let the demography of Israel be raised to the envy of the Arabs' supporters. I read that there the soldiers only do that the shura-mura, fuck-fuck-fuck are engaged and they also constantly throw out their female quirks (I will - I will not). Oh, yes, women are still cultivated on a massive scale. And in general: what did your daughter learn there? Only when the Arabs come to cut it out, she will not cut in hysterics, but will die proudly and with dignity, as befits every resident of Israel, whose ancestors did not lower their heads when they went as part of the next squad to "shower" in the next Buchenwald "gazenvagen". Genes, what ...
            1. igor67
              igor67 8 August 2012 09: 43
              0
              thatupac,
              mistakenly put a plus, but oh well, 2 years learned to shoot, so it won’t miss
              1. thatupac
                thatupac 8 August 2012 10: 08
                +1
                In the office at the headquarters if only. And then through the eyes good .
      4. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 8 August 2012 10: 44
        +4
        Igor, do not tell the address where these ladies serve, such a desire appeared to visit them laughing
        1. Professor
          8 August 2012 11: 00
          0
          SW Alexander,
          You owe me a favor. wink
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 8 August 2012 11: 03
            +2
            Professor, yes, no, not a fig, otherwise I would have laid it out long ago, I admit I was wrong, I apologize request
            1. Professor
              8 August 2012 11: 15
              +1
              No apologies, you are not to blame for anything. wink Let's go amicably shaking hands. drinks
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 8 August 2012 11: 22
                +3
                Quote: Professor
                Let's go amicably shaking hands.

                Sincerely yes
        2. Armata
          Armata 8 August 2012 11: 03
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          such a desire appeared to visit them

          When Esther posted this photo something didn’t flinch, although spring was wink
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 8 August 2012 11: 05
            +3
            Quote: Steam Train
            When Esther posted this photo something didn’t flinch, although spring was

            Eugene, then things weren’t on a tight turn, but now I’m free and ready for feats laughing
          2. Odessa
            Odessa 8 August 2012 11: 36
            +2
            Locomotive,
            When Esther posted this photo something didn’t flinch, although spring was

            But then, on the day of the Airborne Forces decided to break away. How many comments addressed red?
        3. igor67
          igor67 8 August 2012 11: 07
          +2
          Alexander Romanov,
          Alexander 30 percent of the IDF girls, you walk along the street and you see right and left, come see good rest
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 8 August 2012 11: 14
            +3
            Quote: igor67
            Alexander 30 percent of the IDF girls, you walk along the street and you see right and left, come see good rest

            Urgently buy a house or apartment in Israel !!!!!!!!! Urgently selling 3-x room in Vladivostok in connection with the move to Israel for permanent residence laughing
            1. Professor
              8 August 2012 11: 17
              +3
              I will disappoint you, real estate in Israel is not justifiably expensive.
            2. igor67
              igor67 8 August 2012 11: 21
              +1
              Opachki, you have to pack on vhchencheni (housewarming Rus.)
      5. Eugene
        Eugene 8 August 2012 13: 30
        0
        Cute, but something lately, whoever puts it out - everything is so-so externally from Tsahal.
      6. viruskvartirus
        viruskvartirus 8 August 2012 14: 30
        0
        )) women they are women ... people everywhere are the same ...
    2. thatupac
      thatupac 8 August 2012 08: 24
      -1
      They have everything there. But it’s just that they do not often take litter out of the hut often, because everyone knows that it is 2 minutes to tack on each other in the army of the IDF. But everyone has their skeletons in the closet. Just like in the 30s under Stalin ...
    3. Professor
      8 August 2012 10: 28
      +3
      As Zhiglov said: "And the rule of law in the country is determined not by the presence of thieves, but by the ability of the authorities to neutralize them."
      In general, in the IDF, all relationships are extra-regular, because there is no charter!
    4. Pimply
      Pimply 8 August 2012 13: 32
      0
      There is. But they are expressed, as a rule, in work and exits home. Young people go home worse and work more and perform boring and other dirty duties: tidying, kitchen, etc.
  11. vu-orlov
    vu-orlov 8 August 2012 08: 40
    0
    It is necessary to incite human rights activists against them.
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 8 August 2012 09: 21
      +1
      What for? We must send there to serve our proud Caucasians in droves to exchange experiences. Let the tzahal remember what the Holocaust is on an industrial scale within the army yes .
    2. slas
      slas 8 August 2012 10: 16
      +3
      Quote: vu-orlov
      It is necessary to incite human rights activists against them.

      I have a candidacy
      1. thatupac
        thatupac 8 August 2012 11: 10
        +2
        This face requires a brick.
      2. vu-orlov
        vu-orlov 8 August 2012 11: 37
        +1
        On retirement it is necessary to convince her to her homeland, it is desirable to kick
  12. Odessa
    Odessa 8 August 2012 08: 41
    +3

    I could not resist not to put this video wassat
  13. grizzlir
    grizzlir 8 August 2012 08: 46
    +1
    As many people have noticed on the site, we like to inflate a storm from an insignificant incident that happened somewhere there. You need to pay more attention to yourself. How long have you seen publications on this site about hazing in the Russian army, or do you think if there are no publications and there is no hazing?
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 8 August 2012 09: 24
      +3
      Unstoppable in our Army more than enough. But about the Israeli unregulated news deliver. And then the Jews, believing that if we do not live and do not serve there, we can hang noodles about them, hang fairy tales and tell fairy tales for their own.
  14. Ruslan
    Ruslan 8 August 2012 09: 32
    +3
    Hazing begins where society is socially stratified by social and then by ethnicity. And the term of service is only an excuse - the basis of hazing is the disregard of officers for their official duties (the reason is the loss of prestige in the military profession, lowering social status when being a lawyer and defending a thief is more prestigious than defending the homeland). In the lack of control, the rank and file begin to divide according to national, social, and country characteristics, but the causes of conflict are by themselves.
    1. thatupac
      thatupac 8 August 2012 09: 50
      +2
      Typical lies and the desire to shift responsibility from the weak to those in power, which are the same officers in the Army. Dedovtsia begins when there are weak and strong in the team, and when a certain group of people does not want to engage in nonsense, vtuhalov, to do women's work, but wants to engage in military service. In this case, a purely male team within a few days "decides" within itself who is who. Namely, who is the official here, who is an ordinary soldier here, and who is a barracks deer. All this is being decided purely on the basis of what the newly emerged threat to NATO is in life. It is easier for the so-called grandfathers, for an established interest group. It is easier for the natsmen, because they are united on a national basis. Etc. There is nothing you can do about bullying. It can only disguise itself, become more invisible, if some officer decided to include such a principled "fighter". And besides, the officer is not a walking security camera and a bodyguard. If a person does not represent anything from himself in the physical and moral-psychological planes, then he will only go on his way. Control not control. This is true.
      1. Ruslan
        Ruslan 8 August 2012 10: 44
        +1
        Quote: thatupac
        Typical lies and a desire to shift responsibility from the weak to those who hold power, which in the Army are the same officers.

        A team always there are strong and weak but not always there is hazing, it is where the officers fell into dealing with the personnel and they shift this care to the "strong" (in hostilities, these "strong" in most cases turn out to be cowards because dying is not a weakling to kick) - a soldier should be chased during the day so that he wants to sleep at night
        1. thatupac
          thatupac 8 August 2012 10: 59
          +2
          Shifting, because like all people like to freebie, somewhere to relax. This is normal. I don't see anything so bad. There are several officers, and a company can reach up to 120-130 people. Well, how can such a "herd" be brought to their senses? Moreover, many come to the Army with their jokes. Drive a soldier during the day? Or maybe a soldier is not serving in the Airborne Forces, and his health is drawn to B-2 or B-3. What to do with this? What if he dies from overload somewhere on the march. Why should the officer be sent straight to the bunk? Yes, it did not resist to the officer in FIG. The army is not an Olympic reserve school or a rocking chair in the basement. It is not an officer who recruits to his Army, but the military registration and enlistment office supplies everyone and everything, from which sometimes the hair stands on end. But officers serve in such a way as to make it to retirement. And then there was a platoon of kosyachnikov-nihilists in his company, you know. Well, they are in fig! I put authority over them - and be calm: the authority will find a common language with the team and fulfill the task assigned to it. Well, the commander, in turn, will close his eyes to some mischief and pranks. We are people, right?
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 8 August 2012 13: 37
            +1
            The conversation is about the warhead. "Nakhshon", part of the Kfir brigade. KMB six months, plus a variety of exercises. Imprisoned for action in the territories. Marching during training - weekly. This is a company of old-timers, with different appeals.
  15. igor67
    igor67 8 August 2012 09: 55
    +2
    The Egyptian army launched an operation against terrorists on the Sinai Peninsula. The operation involves units of the ground forces and the air force. According to Egyptian media, more than 20 militants have already been destroyed during the operation.

    The Egyptian Air Force attacked targets near the city of Sheikh Zuaid, located about 10 km from the Gaza Strip.

    This was preceded by skirmishes at several checkpoints in the Sinai Peninsula, including in the area of ​​the city of El-Arish and in the Egyptian part of Rafah. The Al Risa checkpoint, located on the main road between the two cities, has been attacked for the 29th time. Several soldiers and police officers were injured. In the area of ​​Mount Al-Halal, Egyptian Air Force helicopters are pursuing militants, the Al-Ahram newspaper reported.

    Egyptian media reported that terrorists fired anti-aircraft missiles at the Apache helicopter participating in the operation and forced the pilot to leave the war zone.

    In the area of ​​operation, Egyptian authorities cut off power supply and also interfere with mobile cellular communications.

    The funeral of Egyptian border guards killed by terrorists in the evening of August 5 in Rafah was held last night. Egyptian President Muhammad Mursi after this attack ordered the army to restore order on the Sinai Peninsula and take control of this territory, where chaos was established after the fall of the Husni Mubark regime.
  16. Pimply
    Pimply 8 August 2012 13: 47
    +4
    In short, a little help on the subject.

    First, why is he "young" after a year and a half. In Israel, combat units have the so-called "oil" and there is "vaticot". Maslyul - the way - the soldiers pass from the beginning of their service until a year or two. Maslyul includes a training course of four months, an advanced training course of two and a half months, combat service, a couple of months of exercises.

    After that, distribution takes place. Some are sent to command courses, the rest are distributed to the vaticot - companies of old servicemen. There are three of them in the battalion: offensive, cover, support. Support is all kinds of rear services, but offensive and cover are combat. They serve as employees of different (as a rule - five) calls. The two most extreme are "young". How is it expressed. Young people go home worse - so that their grandfathers can go out better, young people plow a lot and do cleaning and kitchen work. Young people stand on the towers and perform other boring tasks. Grandfathers, in turn, are considered the most experienced and responsible, live separately, and have unofficial privileges. In recent years, these unofficial privileges have been carefully trying to get rid of, and, often, quite stupidly, not smartly, and abruptly. Which sometimes leads to small riots, which is reflected in the press.

    Regarding the beating, the situation is out of the ordinary, I don’t remember that. It is quite possible the topic with comic strikes really turned into some kind of shnyaga. I served in one of the battalions, which therefore entered the designated brigade, and, in general, the situation is really strange.

    Yes, I would like to add. Hazing is in any army. Absolutely. The question is how it manifests itself, in what forms and how often. For the IDF, this case is nonsense.
    1. Eugene
      Eugene 8 August 2012 14: 00
      +1
      Quote: Pimply
      The question is how it manifests itself, in what forms and how often. For the IDF, this case is nonsense.

      The main idea of ​​the article. I waited for her to appear +.