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"Admiral Kuznetsov" is drowning in lawsuits and economic disputes

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Recent ones news about the repair of the aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov", which has been going on since 2018, were tragic. The fire that happened on the ship led to human casualties and huge material damage, once again postponing the end of the repair work for an indefinite time. Today, if something is on fire at the Admiral Kuznetsov, it is the timing of its commissioning. And the reason is not just another emergency, but the disputes that have arisen around him about who will have to finish the repair of the aircraft carrier, which seems to be turning into an endless process.


Back in May of this year, it became known that between the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), at the enterprise of which, in the Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center, today there is Admiral Kuznetsov, and the Investments. Engineering. Construction ”(I.I.S.), which was supposed to build a dry dock in Murmansk for its repair and modernization, a conflict broke out, in which billions of rubles are the subject of dispute. It got to the point that representatives of I.I.S. filed formal complaints against the customers to the General Prosecutor's Office and the country's Security Council.

In their claims, they accuse USC of the fact that Zvezdochka, instead of the seven-odd billion rubles promised in accordance with the contract concluded in 2019, transferred only 2,6 billion in advance, and even did not pay for the work already performed by the company in the amount of 800 million rubles ... In addition, according to the owner I.I.S. Gleb Yevtushenko, the customers inadmissibly delay the delivery of design and estimate documentation to his company, without which the work is simply impossible. There are a number of other issues, without the solution of which the repair of the aircraft carrier cannot be moved from the dead center.

In fact, this demarche is the answer of I.I.S. on the attempts of USC to terminate the contract for the construction of the dock previously concluded with them. As the main reason for this, let's face it, a somewhat ambiguous decision, the head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, Alexei Rakhmanov, points out that the contractor is clearly not coping with the tasks assigned to him: no more than 10% of the volume for which the advance was promised (to For example, there are too few piles for the construction of a dock), and in general it is still necessary to figure out what 900 million rubles were spent on from the advance payment already paid.

Mr. Rakhmanov assures that the change of the contractor will not in any way affect the speed of work on the ship's repair: he allegedly already has proposals from at least "three serious domestic companies" ready by the summer of 2021 to ensure the parking of "Admiral Kuznetsov" in a reliable dock that corresponds to all the requirements of the project documentation. In turn, Gleb Yevtushenko claims the opposite: according to him, if the contract with his company is broken, the aircraft carrier will be docked no earlier than 2022, if not 2023. He calls this situation "causing direct harm to the defense capability of Russia" and calls on the country's authorities to prevent the termination of the treaty.

Who in this situation is true is problematic to judge. Each side brings up its arguments, which seem very convincing, and refutes the arguments of the opponent, proving its own innocence. Meanwhile, repairs, apparently, are not progressing a single step. One of the latest news on this topic was the announcement that the United Shipbuilding Corporation held a tender for the implementation of new work on the Admiral Kuznetsov, estimated at 250 million rubles. Judging by the relevant documentation, we are talking mainly about cleaning and painting the sides of the ship, at most about repairing some superstructures and hull structures.

True, you will have to paint a lot: about 2 square kilometers of area, but this can hardly be considered a breakthrough in the process of transforming the "Admiral Kuznetsov" into a modern combat unit of the Russian naval fleet... But this is precisely the goal that was set at the beginning of its modernization. By the way, only one company expressed a desire to participate in the "paint and repair" tender. With her, most likely, an agreement will be concluded, unless in this case there are no inconsistencies with advances and estimates. Moreover, all the calculations for the restoration and modernization of the ship have a bad property to increase significantly over time ...

Is the formidable aircraft-carrying cruiser destined to perish not in the waves of the sea, but in the abyss of endless approvals, litigations and proceedings, to go to the bottom not from damage received in battle, but under the weight of ever more unaffordable estimates, calculations and expenses?
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  1. paul3390
    paul3390 24 August 2020 18: 15
    15
    Hmm .. Under Comrade Stalin - go and quickly figure out how these two shitheads harm the defense of the Motherland. And who even let them do this ..
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 24 August 2020 18: 18
      +6
      Quote: paul3390
      Hmm .. Under Comrade Stalin - go and quickly figure out how these two shitheads harm the defense of the Motherland. And who even let them do this ..

      Nothing prevented China ... and these ... then let "Kuznetsov" die in peace ...
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 24 August 2020 18: 20
        -11 qualifying.
        Quote: Dead Day
        then let "kuznetsov" die quietly ....

        Don't rush to bury him, he still has something to do here. Citizens complain in social networks about the noise at night at the 35th Shipyard during the work, in particular, every night from 23 to 3-4 in the morning piles are driven. Preparing a dry dock for the cruiser.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 24 August 2020 19: 42
          19
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          piles are driven every night from 23 to 3-4 in the morning.

          Colleague, on duty I had to work in GVSU-4, which specializes in hydraulic structures. The process of "driving piles into a granite-basalt base" does not seem to me well ... First you need to drill, and then insert a pencil into a hole! Otherwise, you will bend the "strument" to a hair dryer!
          AHA.
          PS In the Baltic, they drive a vibrator. But there are incidents, as in the corner of pier 58 of the "Military Harbor", when the pile rests against a moraine boulder - and an amba!
          And how to "drive" piles into basalt, covered with alluvial rocks for 3 meters, (do not screw, but drive in) - it would be very interesting for me to see ... wink
          1. Bashkirkhan
            Bashkirkhan 24 August 2020 21: 02
            +1
            They work at night. I attach the link.
            https://m.vk.com/video502782858_456239036?list=057e4b053bf84366ff&from=wall-104764077_228267
            Photo for March 2020. The works are in progress: driving of pipe rods, drilling and pouring of piles.
          2. Tavrik
            Tavrik 25 August 2020 22: 08
            0
            First, I decoded "GVSU" as "Main Military Investigation Directorate ... specializing in hydraulic structures." Well, I think, how! Then I realized. laughing
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 25 August 2020 04: 51
        +1
        Quote: Dead Day
        then let "kuznetsov" die quietly ....

        It is worthy to retire ... yes
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 25 August 2020 13: 06
          -1
          Quote: ROSS 42
          It is worthy to retire ...

          you all would undermine the defenses ...
      3. NEOZ
        NEOZ 25 August 2020 13: 05
        0
        Quote: Dead Day
        then let "kuznetsov" die quietly ....

        in a neighboring country, they did this with all the dowry from the USSR ... by the way, are you not the case from there?
    2. lwxx
      lwxx 24 August 2020 18: 22
      11
      Yes, each industry has its own two "comrades" here is another example-Two employees of the Moscow Aviation Institute (MAI) and a former top manager of PJSC "IL" were detained in a criminal case of fraud. They are suspected of embezzling millions in the development of a new military transporter for the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, they are accused of fraud in the creation of a new Russian heavy military transport aircraft IL-76MD-90A.
    3. Civil
      Civil 24 August 2020 19: 20
      +4
      We must put on a full-fledged overhaul, let's be realistic - there is no money for a new one. And pride must be protected.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 24 August 2020 21: 29
        +2
        We must put on a full-fledged overhaul, let's be realistic - there is no money for a new one. And pride must be protected.

        There is no point. As a combat unit, it will be ineffective, keeping pilots for the sake of training is also stupid, there is no particular pride, did not participate in hostilities, created some problems.
        There is no one capable of making a decision.
        1. Dr. Frankenstucker
          Dr. Frankenstucker 25 August 2020 09: 24
          +2
          Quote: Arzt
          There's no point.

          Absolutely fair. This sentimental pride nonsense is ridiculous.
        2. NEOZ
          NEOZ 25 August 2020 13: 10
          -5
          Quote: Arzt
          did not participate in hostilities

          perhaps only the presence of an aircraft carrier in the order saves the Russian Federation from war at sea !!!
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 25 August 2020 04: 56
        -1
        Quote: Civil
        We must put on a full overhaul, Let's be realistic - there is no money for a new one.

        Let's not realists "Bearish": "There is no money, you keep there" ...

        For 1 or $ 000, it was possible to order a full-fledged aircraft carrier (NEW !!!) on the side ... wassat
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 25 August 2020 13: 11
          -5
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Let's not be realistic "bearists": "There is no money, you hold on there" ...

          a link to radio freedom?
          yes you are from a neighboring country !!! sofa soldier ...
    4. RUnnm
      RUnnm 24 August 2020 19: 45
      -1
      By the way, Korolev spent about the same time in his time - he spent "military money" (although the term is a little inaccurate), and the final product was never created, even in a prototype. He never dabbled with money anymore.
      1. Avior
        Avior 24 August 2020 20: 40
        +4
        And let's leave the Queen alone.
        He was accused of the fact that a completely outside organization could not make a cruise missile control system. The artificiality of the accusation is obvious.
        ... With the materials of the investigation and documentary data available in the case, Korolev incriminates that:
        In 1936, he was developing a gunpowder winged torpedo; Knowing in advance that the main parts of this torpedo - devices with photocells - for controlling the torpedo and aiming it at the target, cannot be manufactured by the central laboratory of wire communication, Korolev, in order to load the institute with unnecessary work, intensively developed the missile part of this torpedo in 2 versions ...

        Moreover, Korolev himself worked according to the plans and theme officially approved at the institute.
        Not to mention the fact that Korolev was rehabilitated back in 1956, and now to repeat these absurdities about an honored person who has done so much for his country is to insult his memory.
        Bad idea.
        hi
        1. RUnnm
          RUnnm 24 August 2020 22: 00
          -2
          Nothing like this. The question is not who did not, but the fact that this money was given with the definition of the order of their spending and reporting. It was real, just cash that was spent not from the account, but from hand to hand. All that was required was the execution of the transaction in a simplified manner. Korolev, in fact, simply made a shortage of cash at the checkout, which was not confirmed by any documents. It was a common waste.
          And what has it to do with deserved or not. Is it so difficult to see the world in more than two colors? A person can stumble, this is an ordinary life. It can also be corrected. The same Vysotsky was a drug addict, or like Stalin, he was both a genius and a tyrant, you cannot see everything in black and white.
          1. RUnnm
            RUnnm 24 August 2020 22: 16
            -3
            And stop using just other people's articles. There is also a letter from the queen with an appeal for rehabilitation. Check it out if you like. By the way, he was convicted under Art. 58.7 in terms of money circulation.
            So, the rehabilitation, in aggregate, was in the aggregate of merits, of which he had a great many before the USSR. But you just do not need to make some kind of people or light, or black gods. All are ordinary people. And with their mistakes, and with their corrections, with advantages and disadvantages.
          2. Avior
            Avior 24 August 2020 22: 28
            +4
            but let's not retell unconfirmed tales from an unknown source.
            Specifically, for what he was imprisoned and miraculously not shot, and he miraculously did not die in the camp - I quoted an extract from the indictment. There are other ritual accusations about his allegedly anti-Soviet activities, but what you write is not. The fact that officially there was no corpus delicti is proved by his rehabilitation.
            And the fact that he is a well-deserved person is not worth replicating this invention even more so.
            And with flowers I'm fine, if there is real evidence, of course. And not fiction, as in this case.
            hi
            1. RUnnm
              RUnnm 24 August 2020 22: 36
              -4
              Yes, of course, what kind of authority is there, Doctor of History, A. Isaev, an employee of the Institute of Military History of the Ministry of Defense (that's what I say), whether it's you !!!
              And for the tenth time I repeat - the earlier verdict does not cancel the Queen's merits. Flies separately - cutlets separately.
              1. Avior
                Avior 24 August 2020 23: 30
                +4
                Have you ever seen how two professors, doctors of sciences argue until hoarse on a scientific issue? I have seen it more than once. But this does not mean that they both did not understand what they were arguing about.
                In the realm of facts, only fact is the authority.
                Isaev personally (a candidate of sciences, by the way, not a doctor, as you wrote) told you personally that the Queen was accused of what you have listed and was jailed for it? This means that someone is misleading, this was not in the indictment, he was not imprisoned for this.
                is it you !!!

                Did I refer to myself somewhere? In the field of facts, reference can only be made to facts.
                "APPROVED"
                REPLACE. START. CHAPTER EKOHOM. UPR. NKVD USSR
                ST. MAYOR OF STATE SECURITY
                / NASEDKIN /
                29 May 1940 years
                CLOSING INDICTMENT
                on the next. case No. 19908 on charges of Sergei Pavlovich KOROLEV under Articles 58-7 and 58-11 of the PCFSR Criminal Code.
                On June 28, 1938, the NKVD of the USSR was arrested and prosecuted for belonging to a Trotskyist, sabotage organization operating in the scientific research institute No. 3 (NKB USSR), and a former engineer of the said institute KOROLEV Sergei Pavlovich was brought to justice.
                .... by the materials of the investigation and documentary data available in the case, KOROLEV discloses that:
                In 1936 he was developing a gunpowder winged torpedo; Knowing in advance that the main parts of this torpedo, devices with photocells for controlling the torpedo and aiming it at the target cannot be manufactured by the Central Laboratory of Wire Communications, KOROLEV, in order to load the institute with unnecessary work, intensively developed the missile part of this torpedo in 2 versions. As a result, tests of four torpedoes built by KOLEV showed their complete unsuitability, which caused damage to the state in the amount of 120.000 rubles and delayed the development of other, more topical topics (p.p. 250-251).
                In 1937, when developing the tank compartment of a (winged) torpedo, he made a sabotage calculation, as a result of which research work on the creation of a torpedo was disrupted (p.p. 23-24, 256).
                Artificially delayed the timing of the manufacture and testing of defense objects (object 212) (p.p. 21,54,255).
                Based on the above, ACCUSES:
                KOROLEV Sergey Pavlovich, born in 1906, harvest. mountains. Zhitomir, Russian, citizen of the USSR, non-partisan, before his arrest - engineer NII-3 NKB USSR, in that:
                Since 1935, he has been a member of the Trotskyist sabotage organization, on whose instructions he carried out criminal work at NII-3 to disrupt the development and commissioning of new types of weapons by the Red Army, i.e. in the crimes under Art. Art. 58-7; 58-11 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR. He pleaded guilty, but later retracted his testimony.
                ....
                The indictment was drawn up on May 28, 1940 in the mountains. Moscow.
                Investigator of the investigation of the Main Directorate of the NKVD CCCP
                ML. LIEUTENANT OF STATE SECURITY / RYABOV /
                POM. START. TRACKS of the Main Directorate of the NKVD SSSP
                CT. LIEUTENANT OF STATE SECURITY / LIBENSON /

                "AGREE" ST. TRACES of the Main Directorate of the NKVD of the USSR
                MAYOR OF STATE SECURITY
                / VLODZIMIRSKY /

                Let's just leave the Queen alone with false accusations. He deserved it.

                hi
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 25 August 2020 09: 52
          -1
          Quote: Avior
          He was accused of the fact that a completely outside organization could not make a cruise missile control system.

          We read carefully:
          In 1936, he was developing a gunpowder winged torpedo; knowing in advance that the main parts of this torpedo - devices with photocells - for controlling the torpedo and aiming it at the target, cannot be manufactured by the central laboratory of wire communicationKorolev, in order to load the institute with unnecessary work, was intensively developing the missile part of this torpedo in 2 versions.

          That is, Korolev was not accused at all of the fact that the subcontractors could not do the SU. He was accused of being a lead developer and knowing in advancethat SU will not be done, continued anyway their work. Having spent budget money, time and labor resources on this a priori futile business. And because of this, delaying the deadlines for other works. Instead of reporting upstairs about the impossibility of continuing своих works on this topic due to the failure of subcontractors to develop the control system.
          1. Avior
            Avior 25 August 2020 10: 36
            +4
            Korolyov is not a loner handicraftsman, he worked according to the plan of the institute and did not hide anything.
            Everything was in order with his work, the rocket flew, and the claims to the subcontractors should be to the subcontractors. The secrecy was off scale then.
            He could not give commands to subcontractors, and he could not leave the topic without permission, he would have been jailed for that. The subcontractors suddenly did, but Korolev did not make the rocket. Ready-made tower
            Zyki and subcontractors planted?
    5. antivirus
      antivirus 24 August 2020 20: 56
      +1
      And who even let them do this ..

      ----- for the first and only time in the history of Russia a multidisciplinary shipbuilding center will be created in the north (the Far East also made decisions and actions are taken), who will be the first to take it, will show their competencies (including contracts and contracts) and stake out assets - and sneakers for the entire 21st century.
      After the loss of factories on the sea, this is a breakthrough for the Russian Federation and for someone specific, and in money (lard)
    6. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 24 August 2020 22: 07
      +9
      Quote: paul3390
      Hmm .. Under Comrade Stalin - go and quickly figure out how these two shitheads harm the defense of the Motherland.

      Disassembled in 10 minutes ... AO I.I.S. The year of registration is 2007. Legal address, too lazy to reprint, just a room, for one-day companies. The paid tax on the property of organizations - 295 thousand. Simply put - there is no property. The total salary is 100 million. In total, in the area of ​​a couple of hundred level workers - a typical excavator. Well, or fifty, at most, if the staff is highly paid. Neither in the first nor in the second version, the picture of the construction of a very complex object does not appear. Transport tax - 300 thousand. Simply put - 8-9 Volvo dump trucks. Simply put, this construction organization has no equipment at all. That does not add clarity to the question - how it was going to build the dock. Revenue for 2012-2018. Aggregate. 6,6 billion rubles. Less than 1 billion in a year, and less than just one advance. Those. the complexity of the task is about an order of magnitude greater than the possibilities. When analyzing the availability of technology and labor force, it allows us to draw a conclusion about a typical gasket that skims the cream off orders. Cherry on the cake. Defendant in arbitration - more than 150 times. On average, once a month, from the moment of registration. It hints at conscientiousness. Here it is, the look of the dock builder for the country's only aircraft carrier. The best, however, was not found. yes
      Quote: paul3390
      And who even let them do this ..

      Well, we have built a vertical of power. The guarantor said more than once. Along this vertical and climb up, with questions. Why allowed this. Why did he put the one who allows him to be like that? Well, as in a song - higher, higher and higher. The truth is, there is one moment. Either there will be no answers at all, which is most likely, or they will be very sad. For the entire structure of the state apparatus of the Russian Federation in particular, and the country as a whole. yes
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 24 August 2020 22: 39
        +2
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        The best, however, was not found

        At one time, USC happily informed us that the best construction organizations of the country refused their conditions for the modernization of 2 docks in 1, and they found the best (of those who agreed to their conditions) the worst.
    7. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 25 August 2020 09: 36
      0
      Quote: paul3390
      Hmm .. Under Comrade Stalin - go and quickly figure out how these two shitheads harm the defense of the Motherland. And who even let them do this ..

      Under Comrade Stalin, the ship turbine manufacturing plant could, despite all the decrees and decrees, simply not sign a contract for the production of these turbines (for LK pr. 23) - then it was called "evade a contract". And there was nothing for him.
      And what a mess was in the tank industry ...
      The contract was sent to the plant on January 23.1.41, 17.5.41, but before the release of the Decree on the order plan, the plant refused to sign the contract. The second contract was sent on XNUMX and has not been returned from the plant to date.
      ChTZ did not produce spare parts.
      © Letter from the Head of GABTU KA to the People's Commissar for Medium Machine Building. June 18, 1941
      How does it feel? From 23.01 to 18.06 - six months (!) - ChTZ does not sign the contract and does not produce spare parts.
    8. Roman246810
      Roman246810 25 August 2020 11: 48
      -1
      Under Comrade Stalin - go and quickly figure it out

      I read the article - and the same thoughts came to my head ..
      I also thought - what "is" our current ruler is like .. that he has such a Humpty-Baltai in the country ..
  2. Kefir
    Kefir 24 August 2020 18: 16
    -8
    If Kuzya had been cut or sold as if on metal .. I think some would have had joy above the roof)))
    Kuznetsov, as well as the Nord Stream, we will finish building and then we will talk "heart to heart" hi
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 24 August 2020 18: 19
      -1
      Quote: Kefir
      If Kuzya had been cut or sold as if on metal .. I think some would have had joy above the roof)))
      Kuznetsov, as well as the Nord Stream, we will finish building and then we will talk "heart to heart" hi

      Build your own brains "mikhan" ... and you seem to be talking to yourself on a regular basis.
    2. We are for our
      We are for our 24 August 2020 18: 25
      +5
      Quote: Kefir
      If Kuzya had been cut or sold, allegedly on metal .. I think some would have had joy above the roof

      Cutting the goose that lays the golden eggs is the height of mismanagement.
      Kuzya is a unique ship on which you can saw and steal almost endlessly, and even the most meticulous revisions from third-party structures will not be able to dig.
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 24 August 2020 19: 38
        -1
        Quote: We are for our
        even the most meticulous revisions from third-party structures will not be able to undermine

        - who told you that? )))))
        Do you think this is some super complicated and confusing case? Absolutely not. Private and absolutely no significant nuances. Especially if there is information support from special officers.
      2. Michael67
        Michael67 26 August 2020 02: 45
        0
        For "We are for ours":
        I know for sure that most of those who are against your maxim have absolutely no time to answer it. But this does not mean that you can walk around here with your opinion. You are extremely WRONG! Our naval aviation, in spite of all decadent sentiments, will be in NWMor and in other seas. Did you personally attend the cutting? Or, as always, blah blah blah? Give (announce) the facts. And one more thing: "ship" and "Kuzya" are a sign that you, in principle, do not respect the Russian Navy. And this is a bad sign. Take a look around, comrade.
  3. Andylw
    Andylw 24 August 2020 18: 21
    +3
    New unfinished construction. It’s clear that it will not be commissioned in 2020. It's good if in this decade .. If it doesn't rot earlier
  4. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 24 August 2020 18: 27
    +2
    The damage to the country can be inflicted not only by open aggression, but also by sabotage and sabotage. The story with Kuzya shows that the sabotage operation was carried out brilliantly.
    It's a pity, of course, that it's not the 37th year ...
  5. Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 24 August 2020 18: 27
    -1
    Fresh photos of dry docks in the publication dated 1 August. The process is underway.

    https://vmnews.ru/novosti/2020/08/01/na-murmanskoy-zvezdochke-vozvodyat-unikalnyy-dok
    1. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay 24 August 2020 20: 09
      +5
      Well, a pretentious little article. But where is the boiling round-the-clock work? Is it about a lone excavator and piles hammered by a past contractor? Who is the happy new contractor? Mystery?
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 24 August 2020 21: 15
        +1
        A new contract has been signed for the construction of a dry dock, including for the repair and modernization of the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov", with the company "Orgenergostroy".
        https://www.kommersant.ru/amp/4391515
    2. IC
      IC 24 August 2020 23: 17
      +5
      Judging by the photo, the work has not left the initial stage. We still have to start and finish.
  6. fn34440
    fn34440 24 August 2020 18: 45
    +9
    "a conflict broke out, in which the subject of the dispute is billions of rubles. It got to the point that the representatives of I.I.S. filed official complaints against the customers to the General Prosecutor's Office and the country's Security Council.

    In their claims, they accuse USC of the fact that Zvezdochka, instead of the seven-odd billion rubles promised in accordance with the contract signed in 2019, transferred only 2,6 billion in advance, and even did not pay for the work already performed by the company in the amount of 800 million rubles "
    If we look at the archives, the cost of the entire repair, together with the drawn up project of repair and modernization, was estimated at 350 million rubles.
    The current amounts, incompletely named, are UNLIMITED SPACE!
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 24 August 2020 19: 14
      +4
      Quote: fn34440
      If we look at the archives, the cost of the entire repair, together with the drawn up project of repair and modernization, was estimated at 350 million rubles.

      Building a dry dock is not a renovation.
  7. fa2998
    fa2998 24 August 2020 18: 59
    +1
    Quote: Kefir
    Kuznetsov, as well as the Nord Stream, we will finish building and then we will talk "heart to heart"

    I once wrote, for a time of 10 years, for the amount, it is possible to build a new "Nimitz".
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 25 August 2020 00: 23
      0
      Quote: fa2998
      I once wrote, for a time of 10 years, for the amount, it is possible to build a new "Nimitz".

      yah. There is more (although you can't even buy Nimitz, but you can order several UDCs in Asia or Europe before the sanctions)
      They don't save. Turned into a cash cow. After all, everything is built on this ship (Russia is in the list of aircraft carrier countries-prestige, etc.)
  8. Alien From
    Alien From 24 August 2020 19: 00
    0
    Yes, sir, this admiral has a difficult fate ...
    1. Shah909
      Shah909 24 August 2020 19: 25
      +3
      Sorry for Kuzmich. What country built and was proud. Now the problem is only in people. The people went like this today. They don't give a damn about anything and everyone. Grab and dump over the hillock until you get caught. If they wanted from above, then both companies would bend over running, which would be building at night without money. But apparently, even at the top, they were already worn out by any goner leaders. The people are ruining this approach and the country. It's a pity that this is so.
  9. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 24 August 2020 19: 08
    +1
    Is the formidable aircraft-carrying cruiser destined to perish not in the waves of the sea, but in the abyss of endless approvals, litigations and proceedings, to go to the bottom not from damage received in battle, but under the weight of ever more unaffordable estimates, calculations and expenses?
    This is unlikely! But, the irresponsibility and inefficiency of individuals, when concluding contracts, is obvious.
  10. RUnnm
    RUnnm 24 August 2020 19: 31
    10
    1. From a purely professional point of view - the customer is to blame with a probability of 99%.
    "the customers inadmissibly delay the delivery of design and estimate documentation to his company" - for the Ministry of Defense, this is, in general, the norm.
    2. "work has been completed no more than 10% of the volume for which the advance was promised (for example, there are too few piles for the construction of the dock)" - there is ks-2, there are acts of acceptance of hidden works, etc., therefore there are no concepts "too few ", there is - either the work was done according to the work schedule or not.
    3. "In general, it is still necessary to figure out what 900 million rubles were spent on from the advance payment already paid" - exceeding the rights of the Customer. There is documentation (see clause 2), everything else is not your business. If you do not fulfill it on time - terminate the contract, materials to the prosecutor's office. And then some kind of childish excuses.
    Etc. on almost every item.
    Bottom line: either the USC changed the leadership in this area, or simply won "not his contractor", and therefore the whole story began. Except for the desire of the USC to put something in its pocket, there are no other reasons for the conflict.
    Otherwise, there would be smearing of snot, but clear:
    - the stage of such work for such and such an amount with a deadline for such and such a date was not timely completed by the contractor in such a volume, which damaged the property interests of the USC and created a risk of reducing the state's defense capability. In this regard, the contract was terminated unilaterally at the initiative of the customer, the documents for making a legal decision to protect the violated property interests of the USC were sent to the prosecutor's office and the FSB of the Russian Federation.
    1. Fibrizio
      Fibrizio 25 August 2020 12: 22
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      Moreover, military money is generally a special account, so that you can be given it, you report and only then receive it, I have come across a similar one at work. There you cannot simply put the money received under the contract into circulation, or buy something else (not even at another stage). Therefore, shipbuilders do not like such orders.
  11. iouris
    iouris 24 August 2020 19: 44
    +1
    It is more important not to drown the state.
  12. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 24 August 2020 19: 59
    -1
    = For whom it is true in this situation, it is problematic to judge. =
    No need to judge. Plant both. For the edification of others. Behind bars, they themselves will quickly figure out which of them is right and who is not. This is the first thing. And second, in this situation, there are more such disputes between the subjects of households. activity will not arise anywhere. There will come an understanding of how this could end.
  13. Prisoner
    Prisoner 24 August 2020 20: 15
    +4
    How can you not remember Lavrenty Palych ?! And even kind, oddly enough, a word.
  14. Lumpen
    Lumpen 24 August 2020 20: 52
    0
    It's not in vain that we shut up our Chinese, and you India
  15. Dr. Frankenstucker
    Dr. Frankenstucker 24 August 2020 21: 11
    0
    And I am sincerely sorry for Kuzya, to be honest. Some kind of agony. It is better to die like Graf Zeppelin or Saratoga than by sawing long-term construction.
  16. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 24 August 2020 23: 05
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    And what kind of changes they promised 2 years ago ...
    (not counting the promises for 2 new aircraft carriers and cruiser nuclei ...)
  17. IC
    IC 24 August 2020 23: 23
    +1
    In the discussion about the new dock and the fire on the cruiser, the problems of the submerged PD 50 went into the shadows.
    Who is responsible for the disaster, who will pay for the ditched dock and the additional costs of repairing the cruiser. At the time of the disaster, the dock belonged to Rosneft. In general, complete silence.
    1. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 25 August 2020 01: 10
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      drowned from old age and complete unrepairability (it was too big), and now Kuzya was left without the possibility of dock repairs and keeping him afloat ... to sell him rather, until he drowned as his dock.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 25 August 2020 03: 53
        +1
        Quote: vladimir1155
        drowned from old age and complete unrepairability

        REPAIR UNSUITABILITY !!! yes
        We have enough new words like: digitalization, innovation, digitalization of the innovation process, restructuring and other "miscarriages" of the leading Russian HSE economists ... wassat
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 25 August 2020 04: 20
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          Quote: ROSS 42
          We have enough new words like:

          I completely forgot the main ones: economic diversification and venture investments ... laughing
        2. dauria
          dauria 25 August 2020 15: 22
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          We have enough new words like: digitalization, innovation, digitalization of the innovation process, restructuring


          good Sodium hydrocarbonation .... I give ...
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 25 August 2020 04: 02
      +2
      Quote: IMS
      Who is responsible for the disaster, who will pay for the ditched dock and the additional costs of repairing the cruiser.

      Responsibility carried by the same peoplewho suffered it as a result of the theft of funds from the RPF; the same ones, due to whose fault the aluminum industry of Russia was gently transferred under foreign jurisdiction; exactly those who were responsible for the fires in the taiga of the Krasnoyarsk Territory and several accidents that caused billions of dollars in losses and caused irreparable (maybe for several decades) harm to the ecology of the region; and those that provide it is not clear where it came from the wood of the PRC; those who will ultimately be left with dirty Baikal, those who will live among the coal pits, inhaling the dust of the developed coal seams under the leadership of Moscow and other owners -
      ORDINARY (not elite) RUSSIAN CITIZENS, MIDDLE CLASS ... yes
  18. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 25 August 2020 01: 07
    -1
    "If you want to ruin a small country, give it a cruiser ..." - Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill ...... since Kuzi has no tasks, it is better to sell it to India or China, which have both infrastructure ,,,, and tasks for him. And Russia desperately needs submarines, minesweepers, coastal aviation, large surface ships are not needed, no more than a frigate,
  19. eklmn
    eklmn 25 August 2020 02: 28
    +4
    Question to the forum - have you ever seen how hotels in Las Vegas are blown up? You can find and watch on Yu-tuba. A decent-looking hotel, looks good, though without windows (glass / metal / plastic / wood is taken out of the box). And blow up? And only 35-40 years old is he? But ... the seams in the bathrooms are cracked and are starting to leak water over the walls. And in the walls there are thousands of pipe connections (metal or plastic) and these connections begin to let water through. The window frames began to move away from the walls a little, imperceptibly to the eye, but the water began to flow. Electrical connections / switches began to break more often. And here comes amerskoy prudence - how much to spend on repairs. And the conclusion is made - to blow up to hell and build a new one. Yes, it is more expensive, but all hotels pay off sooner or later. And it's cheaper, because the cost of repairs grows exponentially over the years.
    So it is with an aircraft carrier. If they were going to repair it, it had to be done in 2-4 years before, like the Chinese who created a lala from a twin. The repair of the "Kuznetsov" took ten years, and it is very expensive. During this time, the military equipment has become outdated and needs to be replaced - again something to saw / plan. Does it make sense to spend billions to revive it? Or build a new one for the same billions? Has anyone considered the cost-effectiveness of the renovation? Does not look like...
  20. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 25 August 2020 03: 45
    +5
    and in general it is still necessary to figure out what 900 million rubles were spent on from the advance payment already paid.

    "Borzota" (or "greyhound") of grown up puppies is off the charts. Here we are talking not about tenders and contractors, but about systematic embezzlement of the budget. Compared to these nine hundred million, what is 6 rubles? belay

    By and large, there is an obvious revolutionary situation in the country, though with some nuances: the upper circles cannot, they do not want to, but they lie to us that they can, they want, but someone constantly interferes with them; and the lower classes, standing in a lamb pose, are waiting for the next armfuls of hay handouts from these elites, probably in the form of a cancellation of the VAT increase or pension reform belay believing that it’s better than in Ukraine ...
    Should I repeat it, or will we take my word for it that the deadlines for the repair of "Admiral Kuznetsov" will be disrupted? Ale! Kremlebots! Stand up and tell us that the work is going ahead of schedule ... And, most importantly, this is happening in absolutely all areas. And the Russians, already everywhere, albeit in small groups, simply:
  21. RUnnm
    RUnnm 25 August 2020 06: 24
    -2
    Quote: Avior
    Ph.D., by the way, not a doctor, as you wrote

    For a month or two the doctor.
    1. Avior
      Avior 25 August 2020 07: 29
      +1
      did he tell you? The Internet doesn't know about it.
      But this does not matter, it does not change the essence of the issue.
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 25 August 2020 09: 19
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        Yes, in the last two programs, this particular scientific title has already been indicated.
        As well as agree, this does not change the essence.
        As, I think, it does not cancel the difference between our positions.
  22. prior
    prior 25 August 2020 11: 40
    +3
    For those who have not yet understood - "Admiral Kuznetsov" is not an aircraft-carrying cruiser, it is a "sawmill".
    Where they "sawed", "sawed" and will "saw" ....
  23. Klingon
    Klingon 25 August 2020 17: 24
    0
    have already been pulled up, the same swamp as Roskosmos, cut it into scrap metal until this long-suffering TAVKR has not completely rotted away until they take up the repair and until it is finished it will become completely outdated ..... yeah .., this is not a Crimean bridge for you to build