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The modernized version of "Sprut-SDM1" entered the state tests

The modernized Sprut-SDM1 self-propelled anti-tank gun has entered the stage of state tests that will last a year and a half. The press service of Rostec reports.


"High-precision complexes" of the state corporation "Rostec" handed over modernized prototypes tank Sprut-SDM1 for state tests. Over the next one and a half years, the machine will be tested in the field in the military formations of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

- said in a statement.

According to the report, according to the results of state tests, design documentation will be approved with the assignment of the letter "O1", which will allow the start of serial production. Also "Sprut-SDM1" will be recommended for adoption by the Russian army.

The modernized light amphibious tank "Sprut-SDM1" has become more mobile due to the installation of the engine, transmission, undercarriage assemblies, chassis information and control system, which have already been tested on BMD-4M and BMP-3

- said the deputy director general of the state corporation "Rostec" Vladimir Artyakov.

The Russian combat vehicle Sprut-SDM1 "is armed with a 125-mm cannon, a 7,62-mm machine gun paired with it and a 7,62-mm machine gun mounted on a remote-controlled module. destroying enemy strongpoints and defensive structures, conducting military reconnaissance and outposts.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 21 August 2020 15: 47
    +2
    The Russian combat vehicle Sprut-SDM1 "is armed with a 125-mm cannon, a 7,62-mm machine gun paired with it, and a 7,62-mm machine gun mounted on a remote-controlled module. The vehicle is intended for fire support of units,
    Airborne Forces and Marine Corps.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 21 August 2020 15: 50
      +3
      The impact capabilities are impressive.
      The powerful 125-mm smoothbore cannon 2A75-1 is capable of firing various shells that are included in the ammunition load of the main battle tanks T-80 and T-90. In addition, it is possible to use 9M119M1 guided missiles, penetrating up to 850 mm of armor, covered with reactive armor, as well as modifications with high-explosive warheads.

      https://rg.ru/2019/09/12/sprut-sdm1-protiv-tulpar-rossijskij-legkij-tank-sravnili-s-tureckim.html
      1. Obi-Wan Kenobi
        Obi-Wan Kenobi 21 August 2020 16: 05
        0
        Impact capabilities are impressive

        And what's the point?
        In the troops of the previous modification, the cat cried.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 21 August 2020 16: 32
          +1
          Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
          In the troops of the previous modification, the cat cried.

          Quite enough.
          1. Obi-Wan Kenobi
            Obi-Wan Kenobi 21 August 2020 20: 35
            0
            Quite enough.

            How many? Just in pieces !?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 21 August 2020 20: 52
              +1
              I have already figured it out below. Three divisions
          2. Observer2014
            Observer2014 21 August 2020 22: 06
            -3
            Quote: Spade
            Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
            In the troops of the previous modification, the cat cried.

            Quite enough.

            Don't be offended by him
            Obi-Wan Kenobi
            He has no idea what the Octopus is for at all. yes He is not a bad person And he likes to count as a quantity. And this is a very specific military technique. And he is in these delicate issues. fool yes
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 22 August 2020 12: 01
              0
              Quote: Observer2014
              He has no idea what the Octopus is for at all.

              It's not a question of technology.
              And in which units are equipped with this technique

              Currently, these are anti-tank batteries with all the consequences. They are commanded by graduates of the airborne faculty of Kolomna / Peter. And they will not be used as tanks. There is simply not enough knowledge for this.
              Moreover, it is impossible to replace with infantry or tankers - they will no longer be able to fulfill duties during combat work at the turn of deployment. After all, they not only command their direct fire units, but also control fire from PDO supporting artillery.

              Well, these anti-tank units are few.
              The Soviet motorized rifle division had only four ATGM batteries and two barrel
        2. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 21 August 2020 17: 15
          +8
          Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
          In the troops of the previous modification, the cat cried.

          In the photo to the article, just "the previous modification", and not "Sprut-SDM1" (pay attention to the chassis and panorama of the commander)
          Sprut-SDM1
        3. Ax Matt
          Ax Matt 21 August 2020 22: 29
          0
          There are plenty of them in the Airborne Forces. The airborne division is nearby: they chase them in the tail and in the mane and are very happy. The car is great!
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 21 August 2020 16: 10
      +2
      Upgraded self-propelled anti-tank gun "Sprut-SDM1" entered the stage of state tests, which will last a year and a half. The press service of Rostec reports.

      So after all, we decided a tank call...
      "High-precision complexes" of the state corporation "Rostec" handed over the modernized prototypes of the tank "Sprut-SDM1"
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 21 August 2020 16: 18
        +4
        Well, this is essentially a light tank.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 21 August 2020 16: 26
          +1
          Quote: OrangeBigg
          Well, this is essentially a light tank.

          The essence is very conditional, based at least on the reservation (conditional "projectile resistance") of this vehicle ...
        2. orionvitt
          orionvitt 21 August 2020 17: 07
          +6
          Quote: OrangeBigg
          essentially a light tank

          Not just lightweight. Floating tank, heavy armament. Some are now going to whine that the booking is bad.
          1. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 21 August 2020 17: 11
            +2
            Someday light and durable armor will be invented and then no one will whine. The future belongs to light tanks, and not to colossus under 70 tons. We only need to solve the issue of compact and at the same time durable armor.
            1. orionvitt
              orionvitt 21 August 2020 17: 24
              +4
              So far, this is from the category of fantasy. For a long time, both durable and lightweight materials have been invented, but all the bells and whistles, as they say, have a "left-handed bolt". As not sub-caliber, so camulative, and sometimes all together.
              1. psiho117
                psiho117 23 August 2020 01: 21
                0
                Quote: orionvitt
                So far, this is from the category of fantasy

                Now is fantasy, tomorrow is reality bully
                Body: "puff" of titanium alloys, airgel, and graphene composites. Durable and lightweight, optional floating (inflated). Built-in electrodynamic protection.
                Above - universal quick-change electrothermal protection blocks. More expensive option: blocks of active electromagnetic protection. Well, or a combination of these options in different parts of the case.
                Stealth Coating: Non-combustible foam that absorbs IR, UV and radio frequency
                Chassis: battery, with adaptive electric suspension. Quiet and invisible in the infrared range.
                KAZ: both soft-kill (KOEP) and hard-kill, providing protection at any range - first the laser works, then the micro-interceptor missile, then the shooting of the KAZ blocks, then the shooting of the active electromagnetic protection plates.
                A complex of multi-band sensors, both passive and active, like AFAR and LIDAR.
                On board a system for launching cheap drone copters for reconnaissance.
                And like a cherry on a cake:
                CIUS with elements of artificial intelligence and self-learning, which has the right to independently open fire in the event of a threat.
                While KAZ is fighting an approaching missile, it independently strikes the place of the shot from the main gun and transmits the coordinates to the allies in the tactical network (which, in turn, can also automatically open fire).
                BIUS has several modes of independence, depending on the aggressiveness of the environment.
                For example, in the "paranoid" mode - BIUS independently searches for targets, and their defeat: Any shine of the sight will be detected by the scanning subsystem, after which it will be burned out with a laser, snipers will be detected by a microphone system and hit by projectiles with controlled detonation, the enemy tank will be hit by coordinated fire with several sides, for oversaturation of protection systems ...
                In short, I love science fiction since childhood bully
                And I have every chance to live up to her appearance in real life.
                1. the most important
                  the most important 23 August 2020 19: 28
                  +1
                  [quote = psiho117] And I have every chance to live even before it appears in real life.
                  Duncan McClout will definitely live to see this miracle
          2. Grits
            Grits 22 August 2020 00: 50
            +1
            Quote: orionvitt
            Some are now going to whine that the booking is bad.

            Of course it's bad. For MBT or heavy tank. Whiners do not understand that there is no good booking on easy tank. And even more so on floating.
            Some countries are still using the PT-76 and are satisfied. And then 125 mm. and still not happy ...
            1. psiho117
              psiho117 23 August 2020 00: 20
              0
              Moreover, it is not a tank at all - but an airborne tank destroyer.
    3. Subtext
      Subtext 21 August 2020 21: 09
      +1
      Marines should have a floating speed of 10 km / h or more. Sprut-SDM - 9 km / h, not credit.
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 21 August 2020 15: 55
    0
    The modernized version of "Sprut-SDM1" entered the state tests
    Indians in the front row of spectators? repeat
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 21 August 2020 16: 04
      0
      The Indians have now decided to do everything themselves. We themselves would not be bothered by the Sprut-SDM1. I wonder if Hermes can be adapted for use from the Sprut-SDM1 cannon? Hermes is kind of multiplatform.

      "At the upcoming forum" Army-2020 "as part of the exposition of JSC" KBP ", for the first time, the Hermes high-precision guided weapon system with an over-the-horizon firing range of up to 100 km will be demonstrated. It is a new generation complex that occupies a niche between guided artillery shells and operational tactical systems ", - said the holding.

      As the press service specified, the Hermes missile has an autonomous targeting system based on the "fire and forget" principle. "The complex implements a salvo fire mode at several (up to 6) spaced targets, as well as automatic synchronization of laser target designation for hitting targets with high-precision ammunition with a miss of no more than 0,5 m," the holding added.


      "Hermes" is multi-platform and can be installed on air delivery vehicles, as well as on land vehicles and small warships. It is also allowed to use the complex from shock drones.

      https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/9232959
      1. Genry
        Genry 21 August 2020 17: 04
        +1
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        I wonder if Hermes can be adapted for use from the Sprut-SDM1 cannon?

        At least look at the length of Hermes. Up to 3,5 meters.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 21 August 2020 20: 23
          +2
          Can be loaded from the muzzle. Like unicorns under Peter.
      2. bayard
        bayard 21 August 2020 22: 26
        +3
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        I wonder if Hermes can be adapted for use from the Sprut-SDM1 cannon?

        It is mainly an aircraft missile for use with helicopter gunships and ground attack aircraft. As far as I remember, it is made on the basis of the engine / body of the missile from the "Pantsir" \ "Pantsir-M" air defense system ... Why would you shove THIS into a gun?
        If it starts normally from the launch container?
        And who will provide him / her with laser illumination of the target?
        When shooting from a tank at a distance of up to 100 km?
        lol
        Do you want to start from the ground?
        Put a guide with a transport and launch container / containers on any "Motolyga" (MTLB), and - FIRE!
        And reconnaissance will highlight the target. soldier yes
        bully
        And you don't have to do this 3,5 m fool for your whim.
        Quote: garri-lin
        load from the muzzle. Like unicorns under Peter.

        laughing bully ... I just imagined these attempts ... lol
    2. Grits
      Grits 22 August 2020 00: 51
      0
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Indians in the front row of spectators?

      I think the Vietnamese and Indonesians also drooling
  3. APASUS
    APASUS 21 August 2020 16: 04
    +9
    Since 1983, everything has been drawing, modernizing and producing. A total of 36 units were produced, although it is clear that the machine is promising, we do not have such equipment at all in this niche.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 21 August 2020 16: 31
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      A total of 36 pieces were released

      We divide 36 by 6, that's 6 batteries. That is, three OPTADN. Or three divisions.
      If we draw parallels with motorized rifle.
      And how many airborne divisions do we have? Like four, that is, 12 more cars are needed?
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 21 August 2020 16: 33
        0
        Quote: Spade
        Like four, that is, 12 more cars are needed?

        Due to the versatility of these vehicles, I think it is possible to partially supplement such vehicles with motorized riflemen
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 21 August 2020 16: 34
          +5
          Quote: APASUS
          can be partially supplemented with such motorized rifle vehicles

          ??
          The T-72 is much better.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 21 August 2020 16: 49
            +1
            And they are already there.
          2. BARKAS
            BARKAS 21 August 2020 19: 21
            0
            In addition to the T-72, motorized riflemen would still need to add an SPG-LOTOS and the SPRUT would not be needed.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 21 August 2020 19: 23
              0
              Quote: BARKAS
              In addition to the T-72, motorized riflemen would still need to add an SPG-LOTOS and the SPRUT would not be needed.

              Why "Lotus" if there is a more perfect "Vienna"? But this is different, battalion artillery.

              And we are talking about replacing the MT-12 anti-tank guns. Better tanks than Octopus
              1. BARKAS
                BARKAS 21 August 2020 19: 34
                0
                Precisely "Vienna" I thought about it and the MT-12 is still some ATGM to replace.
          3. bayard
            bayard 21 August 2020 22: 35
            +3
            Quote: Spade
            Quote: APASUS
            can be partially supplemented with such motorized rifle vehicles

            ??
            T-72 is much better

            And if motorized riflemen have to cross the water obstacle on the move?
            BMPs will swim across ... and who will cover them there?
            It would be good for a company per division - just right (up to 10 units).
            For a SPECIAL case.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 22 August 2020 11: 52
              0
              Quote: bayard
              And if motorized riflemen have to cross the water obstacle on the move?

              Exit to any river in the vicinity.
              Forcing it by a subdivision on amphibious vehicles is not much easier than with tanks along the bottom.
              This is only cool and fast on landfills.
              1. bayard
                bayard 22 August 2020 18: 38
                0
                The bottom still needs to be scouted, the tanks must be re-equipped ... and a reliable bridgehead so that nothing interferes with the process.
                During the Soviet era, PT-76s were kept in tank divisions for a reason - there are different cases in war and an extra means - an alternative, never hurts.
                Then they still remembered the war ...
                And now it would not hurt.
                Although cheaper than a regular tank, the Octopus will definitely not be.
                But this is another remedy.
                And a product that can be easily airlifted.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 23 August 2020 16: 07
                  0
                  Quote: bayard
                  The bottom still needs to be explored

                  Shores too

                  Quote: bayard
                  During the Soviet era, PT-76s were kept in tank divisions for a reason.

                  And at the same time, no one could understand why they were needed ...
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 23 August 2020 22: 18
                    0
                    Quote: Spade
                    Shores too

                    yes
                    Quote: Spade
                    And at the same time, no one could understand why they were needed ...

                    With a gun like his, of course, but the Octopus has 125 mm. main tank cannon - in terms of firepower, it is equivalent to an MBT, but at the same time it can swim across, support infantry fighting vehicles and infantry on a bridgehead with fire. Not in open combat, of course, but from ambushes and cover - like an anti-tank gun.
                    Self-propelled.
                    And in case of need for a quick transfer, there are 2 - 3 such beauties on the IL-76.
                    And how much for the Il-76 (the main aircraft of the VTA)
                    Will MBT fit?
                    If you really need it?
                    And VERY fast?
                    This is not an alternative to the MBT, but its lighter counterpart with very valuable options.
                    And weak armor protection. yes
                    Which is not surprising.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 24 August 2020 09: 26
                      +1
                      Quote: bayard
                      With a gun like his, of course, but the Octopus has 125 mm. main tank cannon - in terms of firepower it is equivalent to MBT, but at the same time it can swim across, support infantry fighting vehicles and infantry on the bridgehead with fire

                      It will be carried out on the beachhead in a matter of minutes. It is better to put in the troops something like "mules" of the Belarusian instead. Which will be able to provide the supply of ammunition for the ATGM.
                      And even better to finish, finally, "Hermes"

                      Quote: bayard
                      And in case of need for a quick transfer, there are 2 - 3 such beauties on the IL-76.

                      And what's the point?
                      Motorized riflemen are practically unadapted to the transfer of military vehicles. And "Octopus" will not solve this problem in any way.



                      Quote: bayard
                      This is not an alternative to MBT, but its lighter counterpart with very valuable options.

                      This is a virtually useless machine. Losing in the "anti-tank" modern SPTRK, and losing in the ability to fire support with direct fire not only to vehicles of the "Vienna" type, but also to the BMP-3 "troichetka"
                      Well, this car did not and will not become any "analogue" of the tank. For the defense is near-zero.
                      1. bayard
                        bayard 24 August 2020 12: 39
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        This is a virtually useless machine. Losing in the "anti-tank" modern SPTRK, and losing in the ability to fire support with direct fire not only to vehicles of the "Vienna" type, but also to the BMP-3 "troichetka"

                        And what about the security of the ATGM against the Octopus?
                        "Octopus" comes to replace "Rapier". So look at the ATGM in comparison with them - there is a bulletproof / splinterproof booking, at the level of BMD-4, mobile, air transportable, floating.
                        And certainly 100 mm. cannon BMP-3 with 125 mm. a tank tank cannot be compared - neither in penetrating characteristics, nor in high-explosive. “Vienna is comparable in terms of its high-explosive capabilities, but not in terms of anti-tank capabilities, especially with a missile.
                        So it turns out that "Octopus" has its own niche of application.
                        MBT, it is only inferior to security - one hit with an anti-tank weapon. But not every MBT will survive an ATGM hit.
                        About futility.
                        Let's leave the wars on distant shores and look at the native Palestinians. Suppose a war has begun in the Far East.
                        As always, perfidious and sudden.
                        Large losses in l / s and equipment, the enemy is advancing rapidly.
                        How to quickly transfer troops to reinforcements when it burns? When the railway is bombed, and for a long time. On trailers, too.
                        But transport aviation is quite.
                        And in this case, 2 - 3 "Octopus" in place, will cost much more than one protected T-72 \ T-90 on a railway platform, somewhere on the Transsib ...
                        And if it really bothers, then the BTA will transfer the infantry units, although they are more accustomed to the ground - the war will not ask what they are used to.
                        Or it will be necessary to urgently transfer troops to some conditional Libya / Venezuela to protect the state. interests.
                        Urgently!
                        Can you fly a lot of MBT through the air?
                        And for a company of "Octopus" (10 pcs.) Five Il-76 is enough.
                        Yes, if instead of the Rapier, the tank and motorized rifle divisions receive the Octopus company, it will not get any worse - the combat capabilities will only grow.
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 24 August 2020 14: 57
                        0
                        Quote: bayard
                        And what about the security of the ATGM against the Octopus?

                        Equally bad. But the SPTRK has a much better chance of hitting the target.

                        Quote: bayard
                        "Octopus" comes to replace "Rapier". Here and look in comparison with them

                        Fortunately, it doesn't.
                        "Rapiers" should be replaced with SPTRK.

                        Quote: bayard
                        And certainly 100 mm. cannon BMP-3 with 125 mm. tank can not be compared - neither in penetrating characteristics, nor in high-explosive

                        But the low speed allows you to better hit "horizontal" targets such as trenches

                        Quote: bayard
                        “Vienna is comparable in terms of its high-explosive capabilities, but not in terms of anti-tank capabilities, especially with a missile.

                        Backfill question: Do you consider a direct hit from Kitolov-2 with XNUMX kg of metallized hexogen to be safe for the tank?

                        Quote: bayard
                        How to quickly transfer troops to reinforcements when it burns?

                        By rail.
                        Trying to airlift with aviation even longer than sending it under its own power. How much aviation is needed to transport the equipment of at least one motorized rifle battalion? Tank? Self-propelled artillery battalion? Do we even have planes capable of carrying 2S19s?
                      3. bayard
                        bayard 24 August 2020 22: 58
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        Quote: bayard
                        And what about the security of the ATGM against the Octopus?

                        Equally bad. But the SPTRK has a much better chance of hitting the target.

                        And if, in addition to the tank, you also need to work out the firing points in the urban development?
                        Direct fire?
                        Here a tank land mine will be just in place.
                        (I am writing from Donetsk, I apply everything to my reality)
                        Yes, and you will not be enough missiles on everything that comes to fire. When direct fire is necessary, in a rapidly changing environment. A tank is needed here.
                        And in the absence of one on the beachhead, "Sprut" will come in handy exactly.
                        This is, of course, not about a linear combined-arms battle, but precisely in those cases when a floating / flying tank can be delivered, but with an MBT - a catch.
                        But in everyday life, such a technique in part / connection will certainly be a headache for the deputy tech - no unification, except for the cannon, or rather, for its BC, there will be no problems. If your reaction is dictated by this possible zoo, I quite understand you, but I nevertheless remain in my opinion - "Octopus" can be useful in tank and motorized rifle divisions just as a floating tank and an anti-tank gun.
                        Quote: Spade

                        Fortunately, it doesn't.
                        "Rapiers" should be replaced with SPTRK.

                        The idea is good, but in a real war, there may not be enough missiles for a good battle / operation. And the "Sprut" has a regular ammunition load from MBT - unification according to the ammo rack. wink
                        Quote: Spade
                        Quote: bayard
                        And certainly 100 mm. cannon BMP-3 with 125 mm. tank can not be compared - neither in penetrating characteristics, nor in high-explosive

                        But the low speed allows you to better hit "horizontal" targets such as trenches

                        Yes, they seem to be trying to experiment with undermining at a given distance / part of the trajectory, and tank landmines ... For mounted firing at trenches, there are mortars (including automatic ones) and AGS. And the power of a tank land mine is still higher. Especially if direct fire.
                        Quote: Spade

                        Backfill question: Do you consider a direct hit from Kitolov-2 with XNUMX kg of metallized hexogen to be safe for the tank?

                        I think it will hurt, but for the forehead of heavy NATO MBTs it is still not fatal. They hold some of our old sub-caliber shells ... I think it is better to use the SAU from closed positions. But in extreme cases, and so (the tank in the forehead with a land mine) will do - maybe the crew will be concussed, maybe the sighting devices will break ...
                        Quote: Spade
                        Quote: bayard
                        How to quickly transfer troops to reinforcements when it burns?

                        By rail.
                        Trying to airlift with aviation even longer than sending it under its own power. How much aviation is needed to transport the equipment of at least one motorized rifle battalion? Tank? Self-propelled artillery battalion? Do we even have planes capable of carrying 2S19s?

                        I spoke about emergency situations - the enemy broke through the front and is launching an offensive, there are no troops to cover the gap, driving from "Europe" to the Far East is infinitely far and long ... but there are airfields ready to accept.
                        This is where "light tanks" come in handy, of which there are 76 - 2 in the Il-3. will enter.
                        For everything else heavy we need "Ruslans", there are few of them, and not every airfield will accept them. Therefore, all the "severity" of course ONLY on the railway ... well, on trailers on highways is possible.
                        But the Il-76 is the main aircraft of the VTA, and its ability to take 2 "light tanks" is worth a lot.
                        It is for such - emergency cases. When you urgently need to plug up ANYTHING gaps or urgently transfer reinforcements.
                        And there are cases in the war ... and in life ... DIFFERENT.
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 25 August 2020 16: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: bayard
                        And if, in addition to the tank, you also need to work out the firing points in the urban development?

                        Are you going to drag the Octopus there? From personal experience, tanks should be used with great caution.
                        And, by the way, we actively used "Sturms" and "Fagots".

                        Quote: bayard
                        The idea is good, but in a real war, there may not be enough missiles for a good battle / operation

                        Enough is enough.

                        Quote: bayard
                        They seem to be trying to experiment

                        They seem to be trying, but the theory of probability is difficult to cancel


                        Quote: bayard
                        I think it will hurt, but for the forehead of heavy NATO MBTs it is still not fatal.

                        Disable, that's enough.

                        Quote: bayard
                        I spoke about emergency situations - the enemy broke through the front and is launching an offensive, there are no troops to cover the gap

                        And you propose to shower the enemy with unarmed corpses? Without BMP, without tanks, without artillery?
                      5. bayard
                        bayard 25 August 2020 17: 34
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        And you propose to shower the enemy with unarmed corpses? Without BMP, without tanks, without artillery?

                        Why unarmed? The Airborne Forces have weapons, but they are airborne. Firepower, like everyone else, security is much weaker, but this is the price of airmobility.
                        And if, in the supposed situation, we load trains and pull them from the Trans-Siberian ... we will lose all of Siberia and the Far East.
                    2. psiho117
                      psiho117 26 August 2020 20: 13
                      0
                      Quote: bayard

                      And if, in addition to the tank, you also need to work out the firing points in the urban development?
                      Direct fire?
                      Here a tank land mine will be just in place.
                      (I am writing from Donetsk, I apply everything to my reality)

                      I also write from Donetsk ... And the harsh facts are as follows: The BMP 1-2 and BMD 1-2-3 lines showed their disastrous vulnerability to enemy fire.
                      Each time they entered the battle (regardless of the side of the conflict), the result was the same:
                      efficiency is very modest, and losses are under 80%.
                      "Tin" instead of a tank in a combined arms battle is absolutely unnecessary!
                      When direct fire is necessary, in a rapidly changing environment. A tank is needed here.
                      And in the absence of one on the beachhead, "Sprut" will come in handy exactly.
                      Will not work.
                      At BMD (and Octopus, respectively), the board does not hold fragments of even 85mm mines, not to mention 120mm, which they will, in 70% of cases, suppress the self-propelled guns that have discovered themselves. The forehead holds neither 14,5mm, nor 23mm, nor 30mm - and these are the most common calibers from which it will "fly." And yes, the BMD's forehead holds 12,7 krupnyak only from 500m ...
                      Think of the fighters getting burnt in these under-boxes, and the mothers of these fighters getting funerals.
                      Sapienti sat, as they say ...
                      Yes, and you will not be enough missiles on everything that comes to fire
                      Again, the practice of recent local conflicts (LDNR, Syria) shows: there are enough ATGMs, and so enough that they are used everywhere, right up to fire on small (3-5 people) infantry groups.

                      "Octopus" can be useful as part of tank and motorized rifle divisions just as a amphibious tank and anti-tank gun.

                      Can not. He has his own niche, in the Airborne Forces - so let him stay there.
                      I spoke about emergency situations - the enemy has broken through the front and is launching an offensive, there are no troops to cover the gap, driving from "Europe" to the Far East is infinitely far and long, but there are airfields ready to accept.
                      This is where "light tanks" come in handy, of which there are 76 - 2 in the Il-3. will enter.

                      Oh, for some reason it seems to me that you are now trying to be "holier than the Pope's wife" bully "and smarter than the General Staff at the same time wassat wassat wassat
                      When the enemy has ALREADY broken through the front, and is launching an offensive, completely different trump cards will be used there:
                      setting mine barriers by means of remote mining, covering the advancing enemy with missiles with SPBE, strikes by assault, bomber and strategic aviation, and up to the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
                      The last thing the commanders will think about is
                      "Shouldn't we throw a dozen Octopuses into a clear field, towards the enemy Horde?"
                      It is for such - emergency cases. When you urgently need to plug up ANYTHING gaps or urgently transfer reinforcements.

                      Unfortunately, practice shows: plugging the gaps with at least something creates many heroes ... posthumously.
                    3. bayard
                      bayard 26 August 2020 23: 23
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                      You gave examples of linear combat, for this "Octopus" is definitely not suitable. I wrote about these machines in the Airborne Forces - it is with these troops that they plug holes when there are no other troops nearby. And this does not at all exclude strikes by aviation and tactical nuclear warheads.
                      In motorized rifle and tank divisions "Sprut" could replace towed anti-tank guns and as a floating tank to strengthen the bridgehead when crossing a water barrier at once.
                      The pontoons are not pointed yet.
                      Not for linear combat.
                      And during the battles on the beachhead, you may need not so much anti-tank support (ATGMs will cope better with this), as support by fire.
                      Moreover, direct fire.
                      When to apply MBT is not possible.
                      That is, ONLY for such - special cases.

                      And for quick, long-distance airlift.
                      This is not a panacea or a wunderwaffe. Fight on the beachhead, when there is no way to bring MBT, and the "Octopus" will either arrive or arrive.
                      In the Airborne Forces, they have already unequivocally registered.
                      For the Ground Forces, they can come in handy precisely as floating tanks with a cannon from MBT.
                      In small numbers for bridgehead battles.
                      All .
                      And do not attribute too much to me.
  • garri-lin
    garri-lin 21 August 2020 20: 39
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    The Airborne Forces have less chances to participate in combined arms combat with equal enemy armies. The airborne troops will have enough armor for the Octopus and its mobility. But if motorized riflemen resist, then tank armor is needed.
    1. bayard
      bayard 21 August 2020 22: 45
      +2
      The Airborne Forces today are increasingly turning into airmobile forces - rapid reaction troops with airlift.
      But without landing by parachute method \ limited use of this method.
      But even in this case, even one Il-76MD \ MD-90A will be able to transfer up to 3 "Octopuses" at a time (or 2 + a car with a BC and a barrel with salar on a trailer). That is, even without the involvement of Ruslans, and EVEN by parachute, the IL-76 can deliver light tanks with a heavy cannon to the theater of operations.
      And such an opportunity is worth a lot.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 22 August 2020 01: 04
        +1
        No one will send the airborne forces head-on with the enemy's motorized riflemen to fight. That is not why they were created. The method of landing does not matter. It is important that the Octopus after the shot must leave before at least something is aimed at it.
  • Vlad.by
    Vlad.by 21 August 2020 16: 55
    +5
    I'm not sure they are needed specifically as anti-tank ones. Universal - yes. We have enough relatively heavy artillery systems on tracks.
    Rather, it is a descendant of the Su-76 and further - PT-76. Means of fire support for motorized riflemen and paratroopers.
    Powerful floating artillery system for all occasions.
    1. bayard
      bayard 21 August 2020 22: 52
      +1
      Quote: Vlad.by
      Rather, it is a descendant of the Su-76 and further - PT-76. Means of fire support for motorized riflemen and paratroopers.
      Powerful floating artillery system for all occasions.

      Exactly !
      For crossing water obstacles on the move and supporting the landing on bridgeheads.
      And the main thing is that their usual IL-76 can be taken on board in a number of 2 - 3 pieces. The same number of infantry fighting vehicles.
      And toss it to the devil with the airborne troops and TANKS.
      Lungs.
      Floating.
      But with a gun like an MBT.
      There would still be a company in each motorized rifle and tank division. repeat
      Like before ... bully
    2. Split
      Split 22 August 2020 08: 03
      +3
      Quote: Vlad.by
      Rather, it is a descendant of the Su-76

      The main thing is that it should not be used as in the Patriotic War, when the SU-76s went on the attack along with tanks, apora and without them at all. fool Only closer to the middle of the war, they finally realized that something was wrong with losses
      1. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 22 August 2020 09: 30
        +1
        Well, you understand! Experience, son of difficult mistakes.
  • Alexander Galaktionov
    Alexander Galaktionov 21 August 2020 16: 08
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    The moment of death of Major General of the RF Armed Forces Vyacheslav Gladkikh and the commander of local NDF forces Mohamad Taysir al-Daher in the province of Deir Ez-Zor.

    As seen in the video, the explosion occurred while the Major General was talking to the NDF commander. https://vk.com/video-187527798_456239180
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 21 August 2020 16: 28
      0
      Reminiscent of the terrorist attack during the assassination of Suleimani. One to one. The Americans are clearly behind this terrorist attack. It is in their interests. By the way, Iran honors its martyrs.

      Iran has demonstrated a new ballistic missile called Qasem Soleimani with a range of 1400 kilometers and an Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis cruise missile with a range of over XNUMX kilometers.

      The announcement of these projects was made during a military parade to mark Iran's Defense Industry Day, which was attended by President Hassan Rouhani and Defense Minister Amir Khatymi.

      Iran also announced a turbojet engine that will be used in aircraft as well as in the production of engines for fighters.

      https://inosmi.ru/military/20200820/247969546.html
  • Alexander Galaktionov
    Alexander Galaktionov 21 August 2020 16: 13
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    Algerian BMPTs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4SR8oeH-7w&feature=emb_logo
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 21 August 2020 16: 18
    +1
    Fine! More and more new weapons are being supplied to the Russian army.
  • mvg
    mvg 21 August 2020 17: 00
    -4
    If this thing were needed, it would have appeared in the army long ago. A cardboard box with a gun is not against MBT
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 21 August 2020 17: 17
      -2
      Cardboard? Have you personally checked? Or just to blurt out for a word of mouth?
      1. mvg
        mvg 21 August 2020 17: 27
        -1
        Is the performance characteristics already a secret? Not known to anyone?
    2. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 21 August 2020 22: 11
      +2
      Maxim, self-propelled gun "Sprut-SD" armoring the frontal projections of the turret and hull from 12,7mm BULLETS in the +/- 40 degrees sector, from 7,62mm to the circular one. M2 Bradley gun 25mm M242 Bushmaster with M919 cartridge - not worse than 37mm / 60 degrees at 2km ... recourse recourse
      1. mvg
        mvg 21 August 2020 22: 19
        +2
        armoring frontal projections of the turret and hull

        Rusich, I read it, back in 18. And what, is this armor? 14,5 is already full of holes. And this is 18 tons, what is the support for the landing? If the Octopus itself will look for where to skerry? Therefore, the order for 30 cars out of 145 needed. And export is zero, they hoped for Indonesia.
  • Kerensky
    Kerensky 21 August 2020 19: 42
    +1
    I'm reading from my phone.
    ".... became more mobile due to the installation of the engine .."
    Well, the screen has rewound!
  • Warrior MorePhoto
    Warrior MorePhoto 21 August 2020 23: 51
    -1
    Quote: mvg
    armoring frontal projections of the turret and hull

    Rusich, I read it, back in 18. And what, is this armor? 14,5 is already full of holes. And this is 18 tons, what is the support for the landing? If the Octopus itself will look for where to skerry? Therefore, the order for 30 cars out of 145 needed. And export is zero, they hoped for Indonesia.


    this is suicide. any drone that dropped a 20-50 kg bomb will sentence (failure, injury to the crew) the car and the crew, and this is if it is nearby. and if the exact hit in any part of the car then the skiff is 100%.
    somewhere in some cases there may be a good car, but again it goes to the zoo of technology, and this and that and this and that. It would be better to invest in increasing the power of 100 mm ammunition and a guided missile for it (about Bach-U).
    I already shudder when I see BMD 4m, the time has passed when they were needed. Now, if a flank breakthrough, then missiles with a range of 2500 km (calibers) will be able to stop and imbalance the enemy, but letting the guys in cardboard boxes are slaughter. yes there is infa that there is additional booking (3.5 tons weight), it somehow pleases.
    In my opinion, the Airborne Forces had to leave the modified (with a front engine and ramp) BMP 3M, even if not with a landing force, but why the rush ?? if the enemy is nearby, then the transport plane will not even have time to drop the equipment.
    Here you can just catch a few birds with one stone (about BMP 3M) - 1. normal booking, with the ability to increase to a good enough 2. convenient exit and entrance to the car - ramp 3. unification and motorized riflemen and airborne forces and marines 4. also drop off, if not 2-3 BMD-4M, but better than 1 but with reasonable protection.
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 22 August 2020 00: 05
      +2
      If the BMP-3 engine is removed forward and the rear ramp is made, it will be a completely different machine. In the stern, the engine turned out to be for better weight distribution, because the BMP-3 was originally planned as a single vehicle for the SV, Airborne Forces and the Marine Corps. Including with the possibility of parachuting. But it did not grow together. The Airborne Forces had their own cockroaches in their heads, demanded their car. For the Marines, they thought that it would be fat, they had enough armored personnel for their eyes. As a result, the idea of ​​a single machine was safely buried.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 22 August 2020 12: 04
      -1
      Quote: Warrior StillTot
      this is suicide. any drone

      It is against these drones, including the Airborne Forces, that they are equipping them with Barnaul. Well, by means of REP
  • Warrior MorePhoto
    Warrior MorePhoto 22 August 2020 01: 12
    +2
    Quote: rudolff
    If the BMP-3 engine is removed forward and the rear ramp is made, it will be a completely different machine. In the stern, the engine turned out to be for better weight distribution, because the BMP-3 was originally planned as a single vehicle for the SV, Airborne Forces and the Marine Corps. Including with the possibility of parachuting. But it did not grow together. The Airborne Forces had their own cockroaches in their heads, demanded their car. For the Marines, they thought that it would be fat, they had enough armored personnel for their eyes. As a result, the idea of ​​a single machine was safely buried.


    namely, "completely different", light about 17-18 tons, with the possibility of armor up to 20-21 tons. We have good combat modules, Baikal, Epoch, Sprutovskaya, Hermes, if they grow fat, they will fit perfectly, Pine ...
    It is clear that the Airborne Forces want to be special, but where are they on them, in fact, during hostilities ??? Even large-caliber snipers have fun here.
    And on any landing there will be a countermeasure, the same UAV. Another format is already war, another intelligence, a different range.
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 23 August 2020 13: 08
      +1
      But for the BMP-3, even a special MPRS P-235 Fable was developed. True, two cars were ditched during trials, one was smashed, one was burned, but they were not allowed to bring it to mind.
      Well, for the marines, the BMP-3F and Sprut on the same base would generally be an ideal combination. Alas! The Airborne Forces at least BMD-4M were knocked out for themselves, but the Marines are generally shy!
  • Barnabas
    Barnabas 22 August 2020 10: 42
    0
    What a handsome man, and light, and can swim, and weapons like MBT. It's a sin not to adapt as an anime girl wassat
  • Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 25 August 2020 00: 05
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    The Russian combat vehicle Sprut-SDM1 "is armed with a 125-mm cannon, a 7,62-mm machine gun paired with it, and a 7,62-mm machine gun mounted on a remote-controlled module.
    A remote-controlled 12,7 mm machine gun instead of 7,62 mm could not be mastered. What can we say about the 2A82 gun instead of the 2A75. And what can you experience there for a year and a half? The chassis of the BMD-4M and the 7,62-mm machine gun on the roof?