The dismemberment of Russia will begin in the Far East

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The dismemberment of Russia will begin in the Far East

An employee of the Russian analytical agency, on condition of anonymity, shared the results of a study on short-term development of Russia based on open statistical data and public information sources. We give the conversation in the editorial with some abbreviations.

Why did you decide to tell everyone about this study? The information probably was not intended to make public?

- This is a personal decision. I want more people to know about the results of the analysis.

Have you been told who is the main customer?

Of course not. The client is a little-known foreign company, behind which there is obviously a more serious player. After talking with our foreign colleagues in the course of work, we realized that works like ours are being conducted in parallel by numerous research groups not only in Russia, but also in other countries of the world. Such an organization can afford to afford, freely having very large sums, the order - hundreds of millions of dollars. It can be assumed that the customer is the level of the presidential administration of Russia or the US State Department.

What new could you find out during your work?

- On this subject, lately there has been a mass of research of various institutions, a huge number of publications in the media. Comparing the information field over the past three years, we saw that the total amount of information was almost two times higher than the figures of the previous three years. Analyzing information flows, we saw completely new trends and patterns. Know this when solitaire begins to converge. Completely disparate facts suddenly began to fit into chains leading to the same goal.

Can you list the reference points, key events, showing the process that leads to this goal?

- All the facts are hundreds of pages of analysis, I will give the most vivid examples.

America 20 did not let us go to the WTO for years, but now it suddenly agreed.

Yanukovych preoccupied with the Russian language. They passed the law, and Ukraine immediately began to shake.

London processes with oligarchs - they create the necessary background for pressure on owners. In Russia, there is not a single independent oligarch. But in any “Russian” London any oligarch at any moment will be presented with an ultimatum - either you are for “freedom and democracy”, or your property is confiscated, as if acquired by criminal means. These people are not difficult to force to give billions to finance the collapse of Russia.

Now foreign investments in the territory from the Urals to Chukotka do not go, because in Russia there is a “bad investment climate”. As soon as the power independent from Moscow appears there, the climate will immediately become “favorable”, and the “London” capital will rush in there with the river.

A new memorable date has appeared in Russia - Russian Victory Day fleet over the Turkish fleet in the battle of Chesme, July 7. Why is this needed? Who remembers this Chesme two and a half centuries ago? A certain part of the Russian elite reminds Turkey that it is time to strengthen work among Russian Muslims. She is already very active. And the last explosion in Kazan?

Unnoticed by the media, for example, the Turkish-initiated unification of Bashkir and Tatar nationalists, who hated each other for a thousand years, passed.

Now they are introducing a prohibitive utilization fee for the import of used cars, which means that several tens of thousands more people in the Far East will be ready to support the separation of the region from Russia. They have not yet forgotten the dispersal of protest demonstrations against the increase in import duties two years ago by the Moscow riot police.

The nationality of “Siberian” was also not invented by chance, although, we believe that this is simply “folk art”, skillfully promoted in the network.

But for a possible operation to dismember Russia, an international background was also prepared in the form of a war in the Middle East. Iraq, Libya, Syria. Next in line is Iran, whose nuclear program threatens America no more than the mythical weapon mass destruction of Saddam and the exchange of loyal rulers to Muslim extremists.

Is the dismemberment of Russia an end in itself?

The authorities of America, potentially, undoubtedly want to get rid of Russia as powers with nuclear weapons, nuclear submarines and ballistic missiles. The second goal is to provide access to the resources of Siberia, the Far East and the Arctic Ocean. Dismembering the country is only the most appropriate tool for this. And a guarantee that the country will never be reborn.

The key point is to separate the European part of Russia from the oil and gas resources of Siberia. Without income from these resources, Moscow will be forced to fight for physical survival.

Are there any real prerequisites for the development of such a scenario?

- At the Siberian railway stations you can hear the announcement “The train is going to Russia”. In the Far East, people already see themselves as more participants in the APR market, and not the Russian, and especially the European market. The Chinese openly declare that they control more than half of fish production in the Far East, naturally, not without the participation of the Far Eastern authorities.

Somehow it was forgotten that the collapse of the USSR was carried out by the communist leaders of the national republics. In Russia, these same former communist leaders became the heads of the subjects of the Federation. And even after all the changes of personalities, the rules of the game are preserved; the heads of the subjects still have an example of their national comrades. Why not repeat it?

ВDo you think that the leapfrog of heads of regions over the past two decades has not knocked this idea out of them?

- First of all, such an idea is to separate, it is revived itself always and everywhere from the rulers of all times and peoples. Secondly ... We looked at leapfrog across regions. In the European part of Russia, “leapfrog” is evident, from Moscow they send “volodyt and reign” to anyone. And in the Far East - not at all. With the exception of the seaside governor, there all the appointees are local. Even cohesive Siberia was not able to keep the defense against the Vikings, but in the Far East it was possible. Only the head of Primorye was appointed a desk scientist, who had never actually led anything serious in his life. It turns out actually zits-governor. The Far Eastern clan never missed a single really serious outsider.

According to our analysis, in the Far East, the number of transfers of profitable business from hand to hand is three to five times less than in Siberia, and ten times less than in Central Russia. The region actually fell out of the business processes of mergers / acquisitions / ruin. This is a key sign of separation of the region’s economic life from the rest of the country.

Separatist-minded heads of the Far Eastern regions can play a key role in separating the Far East from Moscow, and then Siberia from the Urals.

And for this all tools can be used. The economy of Siberia and the Far East will continue to be centrally locked by a specially selected apparatus to China and other APR countries under the tacit control of Washington.

In addition to the economy, human relations will be strenuously improved, for example, students will be massively sent to study at Chinese, Japanese and Korean universities. Specialists under the pretext of learning new technologies will be trained in companies in these countries. Thus, it is possible to change the psychological attitude: the Russians will become “alien”, and the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, and Americans will become “their own”.

By the way, China is sharply increasing the number of trained foreign students. Over the past four years, their number has grown sparsely, 195 thousand to 290 thousand. Only from Russia last year China studied about 12 thousand students, this is one-fifth of the largest contingent of the Far Eastern Federal University in the Far East. Chinese universities are becoming a "melting pot" for the intellectual elite of world youth.

But after all, all the governors beat themselves in the chest "are we patriots of Russia"?

Look not at the words, but at the deeds. The Amur Governor, according to the former presidential envoy of the Russian President in the Primorsky Territory, Viktor Kondratov, is the leader of the criminal community in Vladivostok. The plenipotentiary Ishayev, spitting on all the rules and decency, chased a policeman who did not give way to him, and then demanded that he be fired. And the deposits of precious metals passed under the control of the Ishayev family and people from his close circle five generations ahead.

In general, for so many Far Eastern dignitaries there are so many violations of the law that they don’t have enough time to sit in prison .. They are terribly afraid of exposure and that they will be deprived of enterprises and companies controlled by them. Under the guarantee of preserving their businesses, many of them will surrender the Far East to the Martians.

And I bring you only easily verifiable facts.

How far has the process gone?

- Want me to scare you? Once, when he was Minister of Economy, Gref stood firmly against the construction of a bridge to China in Blagoveshchensk. Gref said that he understands why China needs the bridge, but does not understand why Russia needs it. And did not give money.

In 2004, the Far Eastern governors, including Viktor Ishayev, then the governor of the Khabarovsk Territory, agreed to transfer part of the Greater Ussuri Island near Khabarovsk to China. Governors broke through the construction of a bridge to the island at the expense of the Russian budget. The bridge is under construction, about 700 million rubles have already been spent. China allocated money for a new airport in the border district of Fuyuan, and for a new two-kilometer road bridge to the island, and to the railway from the village of Fuyuan to the city of Jiamusi.

Now Ishaev declares that only the Chinese need a bridge from Khabarovsk to the island, and that this is almost a betrayal of national interests. As if his signature on all documents is not worth it!

Export raw materials from Russia and import goods to Russia?

Ishaev also insists on this. And we thought so. But just in case, they gave the situation to the experts for analysis. And that's what turned out. In this region, China has few factories. This is for China north, and the bulk of the goods produced in the warm south, and transported by sea to Vladivostok, and from there by rail. Leading goods across China is expensive. The consensus forecast, which takes into account the construction of a bridge to the island from two sides, the railway from the depths of China and the airport, is this: to create the possibility of quick transfer of personnel and equipment from China to Russia in the event of an armed conflict.

A week ago, at the request of the Far Eastern governors, Prime Minister Medvedev allowed Chinese aircraft to cross the state border of the Russian Federation during aerial photography of the border regions of Russia.

You said that a separate study was conducted in the Far East. Why was this region based on this? And how true is the statement today that “the land of Russia will grow in Siberia and the Far East”?

- I am afraid that today the opposite is more true: the split of the country will begin from these regions. The Far East was chosen for this reason. Look - in no other region of Russia there are such close and informal ties, including direct contacts with foreign countries, as in the Far East. Moreover, it is at the level of internal regional subjects.

If Yakutia or Western Siberia produces gas, diamonds, and oil, then these resources are controlled by the federal center. The riches of the Far East have long served as a resource base for foreign countries, primarily China. Do we still have at least one region that would be completely oriented towards a foreign economy? If something happens to Russia, they will not even notice this in the region.

Today, in fact, the last stage of preparation for the separation of the Far East from Russia is already underway.

Psychologically, the population of Siberia and the Far East is ready to send Moscow to hell. But they have not yet fully matured to political independence. Need an organizing center. Partly as such a center is the “Siberian Agreement”. It can be said that the plenipotentiary Ishayev actually prepared the Far Eastern Agreement, although it has not yet been formally fixed.

We believe that the hour "X" is already approaching. Recently, the same Ishayev said that he would not let the ESPO pipe into the Khabarovsk Territory. Even ten years ago, none of the officials of such statements even in thoughts could not allow. How is this government official openly challenging the federal center? Now please. Ishayev actually sees himself as an equal partner of Moscow, and does not even try to hide it. Not anyone, but a representative of the state, in fact, either through thoughtlessness, or intentionally, in fact, declared the need for transit payments for Russian goods coming from Moscow through its territory. But this is still a Russian territory. This approach is called separatism in all dictionaries. Moreover, Ishayev is not afraid to publicly announce his position, which means that there are forces behind him capable of supporting him. And key interests in the region are only China and the USA.

Why does a person who is rumored to have active ties with the criminals of the Far East, whose second position is no less significant, the first official, instead of resigning for an obvious and poorly concealed confrontation with the federal center is appointed presidential plenipotentiary?
Why do you always call only the name Ishayev. And other leaders?


- In our country there are two regions. Where the federal government essentially surrendered its positions is Chechnya and the Far East. Permanent power is negotiated with Chechnya, giving the republic to the clans in full control. With the Far East everything is more complicated. There is no teypovosti, but community organizations and "concepts" are strong. Federal control over all major resource segments is practically lost. The authority of the state is extremely low. The level of corruption is extremely high. The crime rate in the Far East in the last year alone has increased by 7%. The federal budget loses billions of dollars from the sale of timber and wood. Against this background, heavyweight Ishayev. The man who can not be fired. And this is why a person who is rumored to have active ties with the criminals of the Far East, whose second position is no less significant, the first official, instead of resigning for an obvious and poorly concealed confrontation with the federal center is appointed by the presidential plenipotentiary? In fact, the government demonstrates its powerlessness with this appointment and not only by the absence of levers of control, but also the impossibility to influence the observance of the law in the Far East. Two regions in Russia, where the authorities assessed the situation and decided that they would accept more intelligently and not lose more, this is Chechnya and the Far East, but both sides are well aware that only time gains.

On the other hand, Ishayev is a formal and informal leader. And so many years he beat himself in the patriotic chest, that the people believe in this chest. It would be more convenient for Ishayev to say something like: “Brothers and sisters. Kremlin oligarchs betrayed us. The time has come to decide our own fate. ” Although, of course, this is not important.

Ishayev himself, in an interview with Rossiyskaya Gazeta, can be said to have signed the disappearance in an unknown direction more than $ 3 billion only in fishing matters. According to our data, the budget of the shadow economy of the Far East is 32-35 billion dollars. And where does the money go?

That is, in fact, the economy is ready. It requires only some kind of push to start the process of political sovereignization of the regions.

What could this push be?

- For example, similar to the destruction of the dam of the Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric station with disastrous consequences. Or a possible drop in the price of oil to 10 dollars per barrel, which immediately deprives Moscow of money, without which it is impossible to keep everything beyond the Urals. At this price, any export of oil from Russia is not profitable. But the “friendly” regimes, China and the United States will be able to lend a helping hand, for example, will subsidize oil pumping through the ESPO, will provide soft loans, but not through Moscow, but directly to Tyumen, Novosibirsk, Khabarovsk, Vladivostok. Or they will change oil for food and goods on a barter basis.

But experts prove that the price of oil in the region of 100 dollars is profitable for America?

- America prints dollars and can support its oil industry at the expense of the printing press. China low oil price is very profitable. Washington can agree with Beijing that the Chinese are not crushing the dollar, and the Americans are dropping oil. Now there are so many articles about the tough confrontation of Beijing and Washington that, according to the laws of the genre, we are forced to conclude about their close cooperation. By the way, about 25 thousand American students study in China.

But what about the friendly US Arab oil regimes?

- The example of Mubarak showed the price of "friendship" with America. When it is necessary, the Americans will press the button on the exchange, and the oil will collapse. Perhaps simultaneously with the beginning of the war in the Middle East. We see this as the main scenario.

Does the Kremlin understand the danger of the situation?

- No, they are sure that the “Magnitsky list” is an annoying misunderstanding. But there would be no Magnitsky, they came up with something else. And our deputies complain that they "do not want to listen."

Frames are ready, people are ripe, and above, and below. And then, perhaps, the Ishaevs, kozhemyak, shorts will come to an agreement among themselves "for the sake of reviving their native land," that is, the safety of their capital, and Muscovites, such as Miklushevsky, like kittens thrown out.

How deep is the process of splitting the country? Do you think the cracks go along existing administrative boundaries? And yet - we have a large part of the regions, the same Far East - subsidized. How can subsidized regions plan independence even theoretically?

We really are from 83 subjects of the Russian Federation 70 are subsidized. The non-subsidized regions include Moscow, St. Petersburg, Tatarstan, Perm Territory, Vologda, Leningrad, Lipetsk, Samara, Sverdlovsk, Tyumen Regions, Nenets, Khanty-Mansi and Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Districts. But if you start studying the economics of individual subsidized regions, you will see a lot of interesting things. Take the Czech Republic or Georgia and compare with their budgets the budgets of individual subsidized regions. For example, the budget of the Rostov region this year - 285 billion rubles (about $ 9,5 billion). The budget of Georgia is $ 8,8 billion. The population is also approximately comparable: 4,2 million and 4,4 million people, respectively. But the budget of Georgia is in surplus, and the Rostov region is connected to the federal oil and gas pipe, thanks to which it receives almost $ 1 billion of subsidies annually to its treasury.

With the Far East is even more difficult. The budget of Vladivostok is 340 billion rubles (approx. 11 billion dollars), the region is formally subsidized. But the order of 55 billion rubles only fish goes by sea past the federal and regional budgets, this is official data. A comparable amount 46 billion rubles goes to China in the forest. In the literal sense, this is also semi-official data, voiced by the authorities.

According to our data, the total shadow budget of the region exceeds the official budget. What kind of subsidies and dependence on the federation can we talk about here?

This, in our opinion, explains the growing independent propaganda of the same Ishayev. He understands the real possibilities of the Far East.

According to what scheme and in what order do you think the split will begin? Will there be a new format of the “Bialowieza” agreement, or will everything fall out without warning?

- According to the scenario predicted by us, the process will go gradually. At first, an agreement on the type of the Bialowieza Agreement will be signed by the subjects of the Far East and will present an ultimatum to Moscow. Siberia and the Urals will fluctuate. But Americans, Europeans and Chinese will offer such “pies and donuts” that the situation will quickly be inclined to sign agreements by all subjects - from the Urals to Chukotka.

The Kremlin is likely to keep the regions in the European part of the country. Time of troubles will begin, European regions will be offered to pay for oil and gas with hard currency, which they will not have. Again, the United States, along with China and the “democratic world community,” will “help” the livelihood of European territory, but in exchange for nuclear disarmament. And where to go to the Kremlin, if there is nothing to drown and the power station stopped?

For the first time, it will be beneficial for the USA and China to have many dependent entities in the Urals and to the east. But the bickering between the regions will be a hindrance to the export of resources, so the “peacekeeping forces” will build a “new order” on the separated Russian lands.

We proceed from the fact that the world powers will agree not to occupy the territory of the former Russia directly, and, most likely, will plunder it together.

Based on the sources studied, we drew the “split scheme” - the Far Eastern Republic (Primorsky and Khabarovsk Territories, the Amur Region, the Jewish Autonomous Region, part of the Trans-Baikal Territory), the Magadan Republic (the Magadan Region, the Kamchatka Territory, Chukotka), the Great Yakutia. Yakutia is likely to stretch from the ocean to China, tearing away a part of the Irkutsk region and the Trans-Baikal Territory in order to break the Russian territories with the comprador elite.

The Krasnoyarsk (or East Siberian) Republic will stretch along the Yenisei. Siberian regions, Altai, Kuzbass will unite in the Siberian Confederation. The Greater Urals will unite the Sverdlovsk, Chelyabinsk, Kurgan regions and, possibly, parts of the Orenburg and Kirov regions and the Perm Territory.

The Volga Confederation may be divided into the right-bank and left-bank, and maybe not. It all depends on the activity of Muslims on the right bank of the Volga. All regions can enter it, starting from the Nizhny Novgorod region and to the south.

The Northern Agreement will stretch from Pskov to the Nenets Autonomous District, it will be taken under its wing by the Scandinavians, the British and the Germans.

Chernozem will slip away from Moscow, probably with the help of Ukraine. The republics of the Russian Caucasus are likely to begin the seizure of Stavropol and the Krasnodar Territory, which could lead to a long war in the whole space between the Don, the Volga and the North Caucasus with the active intervention of Turkey. Washington had enough for Georgia to stop its desire to thrust into this snake's nest, the Moscow "principality" would shrink to the central Nechernozemie, and find itself somewhere in the 15 century ...

It is unlikely that this scheme is so accurately implemented in practice. But no matter how the events turn, the Russian Empire is very likely to end forever in the near future.
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  1. Vanek
    +25
    8 August 2012 06: 57
    What part of the body does it resemble?

    Where did such an enormous idea of ​​the collapse of Russia come from? request
    1. Vanek
      +20
      8 August 2012 07: 14
      Quote: Vanek
      What part of the body does it resemble?


      They will receive one.
      1. +10
        8 August 2012 07: 17
        Phallus them, pindosam)))))))))
        1. Paratov
          +25
          8 August 2012 10: 21
          Some mishandled Cossack, not an expert! He is trying to accustom us to the idea that everything, Russia is not long left! Us! Some strange connection, the more Russia is arming itself, the more there is talk of its collapse. In the 90s, silence was grave ... But then, it broke through that it’s not a day that a new specialist prophesies the collapse of Russia.
          1. rusbear
            +3
            8 August 2012 17: 12
            so they began to allocate more money for the writing of such statues here ...
            1. Ruff
              +2
              8 August 2012 18: 17
              Quote: rusbear
              so began to allocate more money vrazhiny to write here such statues

              Not that word! They try, muddy the water, the devils. But the more they rejoice, the less the effect of their writing. Yes
          2. +2
            8 August 2012 21: 03
            Alas, it is true! Back in the days of the USSR, there was a plan developed in the depths of the CIA on the collapse of the USSR. The further plan involved the collapse of Russia. These plans were developed even under Alan Dallas, and to the extent supplemented with each director of the CIA. Under Madeleine, Albright spoke openly about this plan. The times of Albright coincided with the rule of Gorbachev. Here is a proof of the initial stage of the plan. Well, the continuation is likely to follow. Our rulers are puzzled by Syria and do not see what is happening under the nose. My relatives live in the Magadan region, and they say that they do well without Moscow. They work for an American company (American or Japanese or Chinese), they get good money, they go to Japan on vacation, some Japanese cars, even cops and ambulances drive right-handed cars. So I admit such an opportunity.
      2. Shulz-1955
        0
        8 August 2012 14: 43
        I already understood the hint, I am packing my suitcase. Brothers, do not tell a more peaceful place. Yours faithfully
    2. +18
      8 August 2012 07: 33
      Hi, Vanya. This idea was not born yesterday. Everyone has long wanted to fill up a big bear and tear to pieces. Only nobody could go further than Moscow.
      1. John
        +5
        8 August 2012 09: 03
        laughing out loud laughing rather, the territory of the former USSR will be recreated than we will be divided hi
        1. +4
          8 August 2012 12: 17
          I think that the USSR will be in new borders. If Russia is overwhelmed, the khan, including everyone in China, will be wound on skating rinks and will not be remembered.
          1. Evil Tatar
            +6
            8 August 2012 12: 44
            Quote: hert
            If Russia is overwhelmed, everyone, including China, will wrap the khan around the rink and will not remember.

            Rather, the opposite - everyone will remember ... More precisely, remember!
            1. Ruff
              +1
              8 August 2012 18: 19
              Quote: Angry Tatar
              More precisely, remember!

              As someone recently said; we are not vindictive, we just have a good memory! Yes
      2. 755962
        +2
        8 August 2012 09: 12
        But for a possible operation to dismember Russia, an international background has also been prepared in the form of a war in the Middle East. Iraq, Libya, Syria. Next in line is Iran, whose nuclear program threatens America no more than the mythical weapons of mass destruction of Saddam and the change of loyal rulers for Muslim extremists.

        This is one of the reasons, but there is another, no less interesting.
        Arab revolutions to capture fertile Sahara

        - Now let me ask you and the readers of Komsomolskaya Pravda from the school geography program. What unites the recently collapsed Sudan, Tunisia, Egypt, where recently they overthrew Mubarak, bin Ali, and Libya, which NATO continues to bomb for the triumph of democracy and the removal from power of Gaddafi?

        - Oil and gas?

        - It goes without saying. But I'm about geography.
        -?
        - Sahara! The exciting territories of these countries.

        - The biggest desert in the world? Who needs it?

        - Bye desert.


        http://kp.ru/daily/25723.3/2714081/

        Oil, water, foodRESOURCES,
      3. ZAVET
        +3
        8 August 2012 10: 35
        As a teenager, I read a book by a Jew Azimov "Foundation" (Arabic - Al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, a fan of Azimov - apparently read in an American intelligence school)).
        In an artistic sense, the book is a complete zero.
        But the idea is interesting - the idea of ​​controlled chaos. When the inevitability of a serious historical shift is predetermined by the initiation of small events.
        By the way, Herbert in Dune has the same idea.
        In general, this idea OPEN excited the minds of many thinkers of the early 20th century.
        This scheme is used by the United States, imposing "democracy". Orange revolutions from there.

        The weakness of this theory - "chaos theory" - the impossibility of long-term planning in view of the impossibility of taking into account all the elements of the formula for the future.
        And so: FOR EVERY Tricky ass you will find YOUR BOLT WITH THREAD.
        At the moment, you just need to strengthen federal influence in the region, as described in the article itself.
        1. Evil Tatar
          +1
          8 August 2012 12: 47
          YOU are very right, and I will try to add below myself ...
          Horror how outraged!
          1. +10
            8 August 2012 14: 22
            Get yourself dismembered! negative
            1. Ruff
              +4
              8 August 2012 18: 22
              DEMENTIY,
              It's time to make this card a reality! As much as you can defend, you have to go on the attack! They have problems to the sky! What to be ashamed of?!.
        2. ZAVET
          +3
          8 August 2012 13: 51
          PS Who thinks that the topic is not serious, remember Mnogodovodka with the collapse of the Russian Empire - the USSR.

          Who believed in this?
          The theme lives on.

          Or do you think that it itself has collapsed?)
      4. Mikula
        -2
        8 August 2012 11: 55
        Steam engine - Only nobody could go further than Moscow.
        1. +5
          8 August 2012 15: 29
          This question is controversial! Who was Batu, what nationality and what really happened there (at that time) !!! This map was compiled after the Romanov’s ascension to the throne and perusal (up to destruction) by German experts of all ancient sources with the goal of re-writing the country's history.
    3. +1
      8 August 2012 11: 05
      The dismemberment of the Empire began in Moscow, and if you manage to stop it, then everything will return to normal, in general it’s some kind of nonsense.
    4. s1н7т
      0
      9 August 2012 00: 25
      Where from? From the successful collapse of the USSR.
  2. +16
    8 August 2012 07: 02
    What is this panic? Plaster is removed, the client leaves! What is the division of the skin of an unkilled bear?
    1. +9
      8 August 2012 09: 06
      The guard is all gone! The city is white !!! A brothel burns during a flood !!! laughing These are precisely the screams that remind us of the similar highs of the sick and paid mind ....
      Big and fat to all our shitty democratic friends in the oven, and not the collapse of Russia!
      1. DYMITRY
        +9
        8 August 2012 10: 49
        Article paid provocation !!!!!!!!! The goal is to provoke a boom of shit, and implicitly accustom to the idea that discussion about the collapse of the country is normal. When they accustom they will go over to direct agitation.
        Moderators delete the article, do not indulge the bastards!
        1. 0
          8 August 2012 14: 54
          This is for administrators.
        2. Ilyich
          +4
          8 August 2012 15: 35
          +!
          The article is submitted as if everything that is written in it is already a fait accompli. You might think that in the government they are sitting and waiting for when everything will happen.
          Ishaev was publicized how strong, brave he is and spits on the federal center.
          There are a million options: tomorrow they will catch someone from the local "half-princes" on a bribe. The prime minister will say something about this, something like "It is impossible to endure this further" And, as a result, investigative teams of the Prosecutor General's Office, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, etc. will come to the region. Well, they put everyone in a hair dryer.
          So what? What will these brave "sovereignists" do next? Yes, nothing, they will not and will not be able to do it. The army will not follow them, this is unambiguous. And there are not too many troops there. Who will take their side? State Department? Well, it will rise. will whine, whine Hillary and calm down after Lavrov once again sends her away.
          Or another option. Extreme. Everyone remembers how the Swan flew. A local prince will be crushed along with a helicopter somewhere in the taiga and all things. Accident, ept .. Bear will go to the funeral, will stand in a black suit near the coffin. Speech will push. Sad.
          And the rest will then think 300 times whether this independence is worth their own grave or well, in FIG.


          "It's unlikely .." (c) F. Sukhov
          1. Ruff
            +4
            8 August 2012 18: 25
            Ilyich,
            They made almost the tsar of Moscow from Luzhkov too. And they gave a knee under the ass and rolled like a bun. Where is he now the king of horseradish? .. And then there are bees, bees ... negative
            1. Ilyich
              0
              8 August 2012 20: 31
              Ruffin-in! Great example! Who was Luzhkov, and who is a governor in the Far East? Different absolutely categories. I'm not saying that Birch was thrown out of the country as a naughty cat. I managed to hit the road more precisely. And he sat no less than in the Security Council
              So no one there would even rock the boat. These are all just the dreams of grant-eaters.
    2. Abramovich
      -5
      8 August 2012 16: 47
      Well, finally, an interesting article based on serious research, otherwise local patriots, dreamers and science fiction writers have tired. It is time to free the indigenous peoples of Siberia and the Far East from the oppression of Russia. All this legacy came from the centuries-old aggressive expansion and occupation policy of the "peace-loving" people. But the Russians have never apologized for their sins and the extermination of peoples, they will always tell tales in the style of "We came there in peace, built schools and hospitals," but the fact that this was done by force and no one expected is not important ...

      As soon as the Chinese settle in the Far East and finally determine the entire local drunkard, to work in rice fields and quarries, it will be necessary to save all the beautiful girls and take them to distant warm countries where they will love and honor them as they deserve it.

      In general, right now, the ruling regime of Russia should sign an agreement on the transfer of vast territories that governors-bandyuki rule, under the control of responsible countries such as the USA, Germany, Britain, Israel. With the arrival of responsible leaders, people will finally gain faith in power and well-being! fellow
      1. +4
        8 August 2012 16: 57
        But when do you realize that kirdyk comes to the Americans, and as for the territories, we will be forced to give part of the territories to the above-mentioned tranes, well, somewhere we must place captured American soldiers and their sixes, who will plow in the rice Far East fields lol
      2. Ilyich
        0
        8 August 2012 17: 01
        This is vyser! Five points! laughing I have not heard such nonsense for a long time.
        The post is read as a joke, for which he put a big plus laughing laughing laughing
        Your last name, by chance, is not Smirnoff ??? wink
        Only he is capable of such bullshit belay
        1. Ilyich
          0
          8 August 2012 20: 42
          Abramovich, run to remember the time was enough, but no answer? laughing Or is everything simpler: it is not appropriate for "civilized people" to talk to savages? wink
          Well, okay, then we'll talk. When the flag that you have on the avatar, the Muslim brothers, along with al-Qaeda, will begin to poke you in the back passages.
          And I advise you Israelis to continue supporting "democratic values" in the Middle East. Then the long-awaited moment of anal therapy will come much faster. lol
      3. Ratibor12
        +1
        8 August 2012 18: 28
        ABOUT! He feels ... Dova that she will soon end! Give the nuclear denudation of the paissatized Kipanos! Increase the Negev to 100% of the territory of Israel! Uhhh! To every Zionist noob - an ice ax! Let Yatir go to the toilet! Moshavs - into the ditches! Eretz - the end, and the Jews - piz ​​... c !!! :)
      4. Ruff
        +4
        8 August 2012 18: 28
        Quote: Abramovich
        With the advent of responsible leaders, people will finally gain faith in power and prosperity

        That's for sure! The people of Libya have already begun to feel this well-being, but these are only the tips, soon they will feel the roots. hi
      5. 0
        8 August 2012 20: 53
        Mr. Abramovich in his repertoire .
        Excuse me. Do you know the meaning of the word ergregor?
        I specify: an ergregor concentrated on you and by no means positive!
        Ask your colleagues about the result of the action.
        negative
      6. 0
        8 August 2012 23: 21
        Quote: Abramovich
        And in general now, the ruling regime of Russia must sign an agreement on the transfer of vast territories that governors are bandyuki, under the control of responsible countries such as the USA, Germany, Britain, Israel.

        Abramovich, I'm starting to love you! winked We need such people.

        (right now, I’ll grab the minuses, but it's worth it)
      7. 0
        11 August 2012 23: 58
        Quote: Abramovich
        generally already now, the ruling regime of Russia should sign an agreement on the transfer of vast territories that governors are bandyuki, under the control of responsible countries such as the United States, Germany, Britain, Israel. With the advent of responsible leaders, people will finally gain faith in power and well-being!

        Jews in the Far East have given you a whole autonomous republic, but something did not take root. The Germans have already come, do not want to. The US understands that removing the barrier by the Chinese is the end of America, so it is also a pass.
        So sit on your Arabian Peninsula, fight Arabs and eat oranges.
  3. +14
    8 August 2012 07: 05
    I could not read it to the end. I have never read more powerful nonsense.
    That collapse of the United States is more likely. Check out this page and the graphs will become clear. http://www.abird.ru/articles/USA_debt
    1. Vanek
      +5
      8 August 2012 07: 10
      Quote: dimon-media
      Check out this page and the graphs will become clear. http://www.abird.ru/articles/USA_debt


      good
      1. +3
        8 August 2012 07: 12
        I also like this http://www.abird.ru/articles/USA_debt page))))
        1. Paratov
          +8
          8 August 2012 10: 23
          But about the collapse of the United States, not a single bastard stutters, even here !!! What if they’ll deprive visas ?!
          1. Mikula
            -4
            8 August 2012 12: 19
            Paratov - But not a single bastard stutters about the collapse of the United States.


            Do not say - this bastard also does not stutter about the collapse of England, France, Germany, China, and so on. D. Well, such a bastard, this bastard.


            I recalled anek:
            GENERAL - TO DENISTER: Roly clean the uniform to me some kind of scum on the ball was spoiling.

            Diary to the General: This bastard to you and your pants still do not care your pr-in.
            1. +2
              8 August 2012 20: 56
              Quote: mikula
              Do not say - this bastard also does not stutter about the collapse of England, France, Germany, China, and so on. D

              Well, they were surprised that these bastards regularly dump such info. News should be read.
    2. Vasily79
      +1
      8 August 2012 07: 50
      Quote: dimon-media
      I have never read more powerful nonsense.

      An article with such an orange scent makes me sick.
      1. REPA1963
        -2
        8 August 2012 23: 37
        This is not nonsense. The Great Ussuri Vova secretly gave to the Chinese, if at least sometimes you get out of the site and are interested in the news of the Far East, you will learn a lot of interesting things, and this Ishaev is still pepper.
    3. zmerus
      -10
      8 August 2012 08: 31
      What does the US debt have to do with the collapse of its economy?
      1. Vanek
        +5
        8 August 2012 08: 37
        Quote: zmerus
        What does the US debt have to do with the collapse of its economy?


        Absalyutna is not what.
      2. +5
        8 August 2012 09: 09
        Quote: zmerus

        What does the US debt have to do with the collapse of its economy?

        In other words, the states are not going to repay debts, of course. And many countries understand this too. Zmerus, send my regards to the White House, tell Obama Romanov will come soon, so let him collect the things and the cabinet will free Yes
      3. +8
        8 August 2012 09: 14
        The direct, US debt at the expense of the Asians, who, especially Japan is now bankrupt themselves, Obama recently issued an ultimatum to Congress that Congress has nothing to pay pensions with. approved a loan of another 500 billion, again Japan scraped together. That's when there will be nobody to start milking in the USA with non-payment of pensions and other social programs, such as unemployment benefits for fat blacks, chaos will immediately begin, but handcuffs, camps and plastic bags for corpses are already prepared. Moreover, during the peak of the crisis, top managers of the largest automobile concerns flew in private jets to ask the state for economic assistance, which caused outrage. The PRC is overrun by American assets, and Japan has already squeezed a lemon, one hope for captured Iranian wells.
        1. zmerus
          -10
          8 August 2012 09: 33
          Lol a whole crowd of LOLs.
          We carefully read the educational program at all the links provided:

          Is America Bankrupt:
          http://judeomasson.livejournal.com/12464.html

          Is inflation threatening America?
          http://judeomasson.livejournal.com/12190.html

          About US government debt:
          http://judeomasson.livejournal.com/6334.html

          What is the dollar endowed with?
          http://judeomasson.livejournal.com/10600.html

          About American production:
          http://judeomasson.livejournal.com/8923.html

          What does America produce?
          http://judeomasson.livejournal.com/8516.html

          Well, many other explanatory articles on "hot topics" on the resource.

          Of course, I understand that hatred of the United States is a fashionable political trend of the Russian government, give the fool an external enemy - and that will be happiness, as they say. The meaning is simple, like mooing - no matter how complete there is in Russia ... and the most that neither is Africa, it is always easier to nod "over the hill" - they say, they have no sugar there either, bear with a rag, dear Russians. (well, buying mansions in England for $ 214 million, like someone Andrei Borodin, ex-head of the Bank of Moscow and thousands of others like him) Well, the population is happy, lying on the stove and waiting for a mannushka on the heels, in the form of the collapse of the "damned West "that is. How can you be such terpils?
          1. Vanek
            +7
            8 August 2012 09: 39
            But insults, at least I will not tolerate.

            Foreigner horseradish.

            Yes, they will punish me with a warning.
            1. +9
              8 August 2012 09: 43
              Quote: Vanek
              Yes they will punish me with a warning

              They will not punish, but it’s worth to put a couple of warnings to the defector, for prevention.
              1. Paratov
                +12
                8 August 2012 10: 28
                The stranger was in earnest! Gives links, and behind them are the same experts as the author of this article.
                1. 0
                  8 August 2012 23: 35
                  Paratov, took in guess one article from the proposed
                  Quote: zmerus
                  What is the dollar endowed with?
                  http://judeomasson.livejournal.com/10600.html

                  There, the ehanamist confused millions with trillions, and even with billions, about five times ... but so authoritatively broadcasts ... I think the rest of the articles are the same.
                  1. zmerus
                    +1
                    9 August 2012 01: 10
                    Frankly lying. I looked. There is only one typo. And you say five. So what are your words after that? The answer is nothing. And of course, I understand that the dry language of numbers, facts, documents and formulas is stupid to argue, right?
                    Whether the point is on this sayye - "the main thing is to crow, and there, though, do not dawn" ...
                    1. 0
                      9 August 2012 12: 26
                      Well, yes, one ... I myself was a bit mistaken at the end of the article, but I did not change my opinion.
                    2. 0
                      10 August 2012 00: 26
                      And I also read in the same article an article by this journalist “Where did the WMD go in Iraq?”, A very characteristic article that determines the credibility of the rest of his articles ...
              2. Mikula
                +1
                8 August 2012 13: 05
                Alexander Romanov, but the defector is worth a couple of warnings.

                You go along the commemorative road. We’ll quickly assemble the three and slap the defector a couple of times at nine grams - for hell to him and not pluralism of opinions. For as Comrade used to say STALIN: no man - no problem. Amen.
          2. +7
            8 August 2012 10: 23
            Looked at your materials. It turns out that universal happiness has come to the USA and now they are in a hurry to share with others, starting with Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc.
            But the fact is, zmerus, that every nation has its own idea of ​​happiness. And apparently, not everyone likes American happiness. For example, I actively dislike it.
            And just go for a walk and start to palm off on me your happiness by force. The answer will be crushing and guaranteed.
            1. gerome
              +2
              8 August 2012 16: 32
              "I looked at your materials. It turns out that universal happiness has come to the United States and now they are in a hurry to share with others, starting with Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc."

              What a blessing, an American soldier shot 17 Iraqi civilians and received 3 months. He shared his happiness called)) Typical fascist colonists.
            2. s1н7т
              0
              9 August 2012 00: 36
              Alas, health is not enough. When their own "chosen" government foists, it will seem for happiness))) 146% supported, what does your vote mean? Although I agree. In the absence of free sale of weapons, I will support you morally!)))
          3. +7
            8 August 2012 10: 33
            You can just remember the nineties, when there was nothing to eat, the army could not cope with the gang of abreks, and the nuclear submarines and ICBMs cut smiling amers for money. Now, thank God in simple families for a couple of cars is not uncommon, Russia, unlike the USSR, does not buy bread, but sells it. Everything is relative. I am not an ardent supporter of GDP, but I need to be at least a little objective. And the fact that the United States is a powerful industrial power is not argued by anyone, but the task of world hegemon is very troublesome and requires a lot of resources, of which there are already not enough in waging two local wars. When the GDP paid off the debts of the Russian Federation, Zhorzhik Jr. for the same time brought his debt from 6 to 15 trillion. Of course, the United States will not give loot and creditors will naturally go bankrupt, but they will no longer lend.
            1. 0
              8 August 2012 23: 39
              By the way, a good thought in response to this fellow, the USSR before everything collapsed, also had good GDP and a change in debt ...
          4. 0
            8 August 2012 12: 27
            you would be the bearded-horned creature of Uncle Sam buried his face in a sack with Virginia tobacco and lazily in oblivion ........... shaft dope.
          5. Evil Tatar
            +2
            8 August 2012 12: 54
            Quote: zmerus
            Well, the population is happy, lying on the stove and waiting for a mannushka on the wall, in the form of the collapse of the "damned West" that is. How can you be so patient?

            Listen people, the word endured - this is thug jargon, which proves your essence, but if you are a thug, then be him in your AMERIKI, and babble in accordance with the genre of the black elite of each district of the towns of the "great power", which are very good. will soon turn into garbage dumps, where your parts of a body torn apart by blacks will be scattered ...
          6. GG2012
            +2
            8 August 2012 13: 08
            Especially for zmerus (6) Today, 09:33 ↑ new
            Well! Do you understand me?!
          7. 0
            8 August 2012 15: 03
            Quote: zmerus
            Of course, I understand that hatred of the United States is the now fashionable political trend of the Russian government,


            As far as I know, the US government has a similar trend towards Russia. Not?

            Quote: zmerus
            How can one be such terpils?


            We are not, to your great chagrin, probably. Not all, unfortunately, not all in this country can be bought with an orange or white envelope, like a bitch or a basement. Alas. Another question is that yes, the patience of the great Russian people is great. But by no means infinite. BUT: the Russian person has such an option - he can think without prompting from the side. So I'm sure we can do it on our own. And we will be able to arrange any dismemberment to any dismemberment. There have been precedents in history.

            And I issue you a warning for offensive remarks addressed to everyone present here.
          8. +1
            8 August 2012 15: 10
            We carefully read the educational program at all the links provided:

            to zmerus:

          9. gerome
            +1
            8 August 2012 16: 28
            Bugaga! Ololo, have fun. Especially LJ articles written on green pieces of paper from those 15.9 trillion supposedly insignificant foreign debt of the United States where dozens of bankrupt cities go by now. )))
        2. +1
          8 August 2012 10: 34
          That is why the states are conducting permanent wars in order to thin out their fat blacks, and to keep the rest of those displeased away from the metropolis.
      4. +3
        8 August 2012 12: 21
        to get the dough from everyone, and then you went to say ........ Ren try to take it away.
    4. Evil Tatar
      +4
      8 August 2012 12: 49
      Not a damn thing ...
      "Everything can be, everything can happen ..." (c)
  4. +11
    8 August 2012 07: 09
    The purpose of this nonsense is to increase nervousness.
    Well, they didn’t succeed with Syria, now, out of spite, they throw this spam in the media.
  5. -6
    8 August 2012 07: 22
    That's right, tells real things. My opinion is all that goes.
    1. Vanek
      +4
      8 August 2012 07: 28
      Woland, who leads the world of otherworldly forces. Woland is the devil, Satan, the “prince of darkness”, “the spirit of evil and the lord of shadows.”

      Climb Holy Russia!
      I live here and pray
      I saw a white light here
      And he was warmed by love!
      Orthodox country
      You, Russia, my mother!
      I'm praying for you here
      After God, the chosen Russia!

      Unimportant opinion!
  6. +10
    8 August 2012 07: 24
    To begin with, from Muscovites I have not once heard that they do not care what happens behind the MKAD.
    Second: the policy of the Russian leadership towards the regions is colonial.
    All in Russia belong to Muscovites.
    Third: if some kind of "mess" begins, residents from our capital will leave the country en masse (with the stolen money), and Siberians, Urals, etc. will have to "rake it out".
    I conclude: the problem of the integrity of Russia is not because of the inhabitants of the Far East, Siberia, etc., but quite the opposite.
    Can Moscow be separated?
    1. Vanek
      +6
      8 August 2012 07: 31
      I live in Novosibirsk.

      Quote: SarS
      that they do not care what happens behind the MKAD.


      Regarding me, they (Muscovites), THEY FOR ME ALSO BEYOND MKAD!
      1. karate
        -5
        8 August 2012 08: 58
        I live in Vladivostok. And I do not care what will happen to Moscow and the central part of Russia, there are practically no Russians there either.
        1. Vanek
          +1
          8 August 2012 09: 05
          Quote: karate
          , there are practically no Russians there either.


          You shouldn’t be so .....
          1. +6
            8 August 2012 09: 08
            Quote: karate
            with Moscow and the central part of Russia, there are practically no Russians there either.

            Moscow is a separate conversation, no one loves it, but you do not touch the central part of Russia in vain, there are originally Russian lands.
            1. karate
              -4
              8 August 2012 09: 13
              Russian lands, only on these lands, non-Russian comrades have long taken root.
              1. +6
                8 August 2012 09: 14
                Believe them there are not as many as it seems, I often go there.
                1. Paratov
                  +7
                  8 August 2012 10: 32
                  And I don’t have anywhere to go! There are no more non-Russians, as you call them, than under the Union! And where do they come from in such quantities ?!
                  1. Mikula
                    0
                    9 August 2012 10: 47
                    Paratov - Yes, and where do they come from in such quantities?!.


                    As a friend, Yasser Arafat said that the main weapon of Islam is the womb of Islamic women. I hope I have easily explained where to get them in such quantities?!.
                2. REPA1963
                  0
                  8 August 2012 23: 39
                  And I live there, there are not just a lot of them here to e..no mother (165 km from Moscow).
        2. -5
          8 August 2012 09: 23
          And how many chocks are in Vlad? Probably in no city in the Far East there are so many of these anthropoids.
          1. karate
            -4
            8 August 2012 09: 53
            Well no, guys, we are far from the Western part of Russia.
        3. +2
          8 August 2012 09: 45
          Quote: karate

          I live in Vladivostok. And I do not care what will happen to Moscow and the central part of Russia,

          I don’t know my hut from the edge, forgive me the deputy?
          1. karate
            -3
            8 August 2012 09: 51
            Do not attribute me to these bastards.
            1. +4
              8 August 2012 10: 16
              Quote: karate

              Do not attribute me to these bastards.

              I did not ascribe to you, I asked a question, if you say how they think, then our view is quite appropriate.
            2. Paratov
              +7
              8 August 2012 10: 36
              karate,
              You are not a deputy, you are a provocateur, my friend! fool
        4. DYMITRY
          +2
          8 August 2012 10: 55
          Quote: karate
          there are practically no Russians there either.

          But come and repeat live is so weak ???? You won’t leave Nikher back !!!
          1. karate
            -2
            8 August 2012 14: 00
            Come on grandmas, I’ll come and go calmly.
        5. 0
          8 August 2012 12: 32
          You need to see the wretched immediately and do not need milestones. I went to Moscow to see earnings for work, they offended me.
        6. gerome
          +1
          8 August 2012 16: 55
          "there are practically no Russians there anymore"

          Tales and stories. Moscow
    2. +5
      8 August 2012 09: 27
      Quote: SarS
      All in Russia belong to Muscovites.

      Take it higher, belongs to the naglosaks who rule the elite, who settled in Moscow.
      Quote: SarS
      Can Moscow be separated?

      Or maybe on the contrary, return Moscow to Russia?
    3. +7
      8 August 2012 09: 41
      Can you imagine what will happen to the Russians in the Caucasus? Not not not, nor any decay !!! by and large, Vladivostok is also very far away for me too - but we have already gone through the collapse of Russia and it has not led to anything good, there is some truth in the article, it’s just a hysterical form of presentation.

      Summary: you need to bite the bullet and prevent this decay, otherwise everyone’s cordyk!
    4. gerome
      +4
      8 August 2012 16: 51
      "To begin with, I have heard from Muscovites more than once that they do not care what happens outside the Moscow Ring Road."
      So normal people do not think so. I live in Moscow and do not think so and do not know such idiots. This is all the propaganda of our enemies.

      You’ll separate Moscow, well, they will in the same way command from another city.

      The main thing to remember is that together we are strength, and we will be consumed separately.
  7. +14
    8 August 2012 07: 31
    What nonsense. They won’t receive anything, and if our rulers subscribe to it, they will receive in response the Russian revolt senseless and merciless. In general, I am calm for the Far East. Sanya Romanov wants to sweep you away with the Far East !!!!!!!!!!
    1. Vanek
      +7
      8 August 2012 07: 34
      Eugene, welcome.

      Romanov is his man. Provocations on the Far East will not allow.
    2. +9
      8 August 2012 09: 15
      Quote: Steam Train
      Sanya Romanov wants to sweep you away with the Far East!

      Hi Zhenya, but personally I’m not going to go anywhere at all, and the dreamers of disconnection can post an article here, and for some years the students were right-wingers, after a series of stars they disappeared request
      Quote: Vanek
      Provocations on the Far East will not allow.

      Hi Ivan, it’s in Moscow that they go to rallies, but they aren’t visible in Siberia and the Far East. Therefore, let’s draw maps, today I will also draw a map in which Bulgaria and all the countries of the USSR and Alaska with calories will be part of Russia wassat
    3. karate
      0
      8 August 2012 09: 18
      And you, I see rebels sitting at the computer? With such riots you can lose everything. Remember the words from the fable: ... and Vaska listens, but eats.
      1. +5
        8 August 2012 09: 24
        Quote: karate

        And you, I see rebels sitting at a computer?

        I communicate with people on the computer on the forum, but what about the riot, has it already begun? Or that we have already signed a decree on the separation of the Far East? Or suddenly information slipped that we have captured the middle zone of Russia Poles? So it’s too early to boil, and it’s silly to hate everyone only on the basis of nat.
        1. karate
          -1
          8 August 2012 09: 57
          But I don’t affect nationality, I have never been a nationalist, and there are bastards in every nation. Only recently, their number has increased dramatically in Russian.
      2. Vanek
        +5
        8 August 2012 09: 26
        Quote: karate
        Remember the words from the fable: ...and Vaska listens, but eats.


        And Vaska, as I understand it, you?

        Then the fable:

        Some kind of cook, literate,
        With the cherries ran his
        In the tavern (he was pious
        And on this day, I’ve ruled over the kumu *),
        And at home, sterei edible from mice
        Kota left.
        But what, come back, he sees? On the floor
        Scraps of cake; and Vaska-Kot in the corner,

        Crouching behind the vinegar barrel
        Purring and grumbling, working on a little chicken.
        "Oh, you glutton! Ah, villain! -
        Here Vasku Cook reproaches: -
        Aren't you ashamed of the walls for you, not just for people?

        (But Vaska nevertheless removes the chicken.)
        How! being an honest cat until then,
        Sometimes, for an example, you seem humility, -
        And you ... oh, what a shame! Now all the neighbors will say:
        "Cat Vaska is a rogue! Cat Vaska is a thief!

        And Vasku-de is not just in the kitchen,
        Do not let the yard,
        Like a greedy wolf in a shepherd:
        He is a corruption, he is a plague, he is an ulcer of these places! "
        (And Vaska listens and eats.)
        Here rhetorician * mine, giving free rein to the flow,
        I did not find the end of moralizing.
        But what? While he sang him,
        Vaska’s cat ate all the fries.
        And I would have told another chef on the wall to kill:
        So that there is no waste of speeches,
        Where you need the power to use.
        1. karate
          -1
          8 August 2012 09: 59
          Well, I’m far from Vaska. Our Vaska are in the Kremlin.
          1. Vanek
            +4
            8 August 2012 10: 08
            Quote: karate
            Well, I’m far from Vaska


            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I don’t know my hut from the edge, forgive me the deputy?


            Vaska is just a "trailer" for the deputy. He eats, sleeps and does nothing.
      3. +7
        8 August 2012 09: 49
        Quote: karate
        And you, I see rebels sitting at a computer?

        What is the meaning of rebellion? Promote people who promise a sweet life and get it in the end, but those who rebel for them, as practice shows, begin to live worse than before the riot!
    4. +2
      8 August 2012 12: 37
      to hell to them cattle. The dalnik is only Russian and not be otherwise
  8. +9
    8 August 2012 07: 35
    In my opinion, all the facts cited in the article must be carefully double-checked and only after that a decision should be made.
    1. +6
      8 August 2012 09: 34
      The article is clearly custom-made. The struggle for the collapse of Russia has long been waged.
    2. Paratov
      +5
      8 August 2012 10: 43
      Quote: Apolon
      all the facts in the article must be carefully re-checked

      What are the facts! He gathered everything together. All the news. If the penguins died in Antarctica, he would have added them! This is the manipulation of consciousness, when well-known facts with which it is pointless to argue, are lined up for the thought that they are trying to get into.
  9. _arbit
    +9
    8 August 2012 07: 37
    Yes, no one needs to be finished, the rats will run away from the ship themselves. The rest will keep Moscow as it was already.
    1. +3
      8 August 2012 09: 47
      Demonstrating the highest humanity to these rats (as to animals), we must help them quickly leave our ship. And if you do not meet the deadlines or do not want to leave the feeder, then do with them as they do in the whole world.
      1. 0
        8 August 2012 12: 41
        ............... that is, in a rat trap, and then there she fucked.
  10. +5
    8 August 2012 07: 40
    The article is, of course, strange, if this analyst sincerely supports the unity of Russia, then you can understand, but if he wrote a scenario for the collapse of the country on someone’s order, he succeeded in this. The topic for discussion is hot. The only thing I want to say is that the Russians of all places unite!, But on what platform, the authorities are silent about this, maybe on the platform of kissing.
    1. Paratov
      +7
      8 August 2012 10: 45
      Quote: valokordin
      if this analyst sincerely supports the unity of Russia, then you can understand, but if he wrote a scenario for the collapse of the country on someone’s order, he succeeded in this.

      The picture he painted, and especially the map of "future independence", exactly repeats the map of the State Department, no deviations.
  11. +4
    8 August 2012 07: 48
    The facts are killer.
    Conclusions - far-fetched.
    Planting is high time, no question.
    Question - who will give the go-ahead.
    He and ".. will become covered with ... Siberia and the Far East."
  12. -6
    8 August 2012 07: 54
    At last! Hana re-fe, like a dead formation! Soon the Russians and their land will be in the past!
    1. Vanek
      +7
      8 August 2012 07: 58
      Quote: erased
      Soon the Russians and their land will be in the past!


      And you, excuse me, whose wake up?
    2. +7
      8 August 2012 08: 22
      Understand STER-VA of life
      Those who shit the Russians - they suck.
  13. +6
    8 August 2012 08: 03
    Yesterday I read this article on another portal. I don’t know what about the European part, but the Far East really lives on its own and may well go to secession. It's just that they probably don't yet understand one thing - immediately after gaining "sovereignty" China will pick them up. Even just to keep no one else in. And that "elite" who expects to receive profits and power, will receive a nipple and will suck all their life.
  14. +5
    8 August 2012 08: 05
    An American political scientist who has lived in Russia for a long time, in order to better know the mentality of a Russian resident, has created a plan for the collapse of Russia (unfortunately I do not remember his name). What is written in the article almost completely coincides with his plan, even the reunion of Yakutia and China. What is said about the leaders of the regions is practically the same. And as I wrote in other comments on articles devoted to this topic: on the administrative building, in one of the cities of the Far East, there are about one thousand nine hundred and seventieth years of construction, the Far East Republic is laid out with mosaic in large letters on the facade of the Far East. Of course, I like the Far East’s dwelling sympathizes with the separation from Moscow, but I also understand that if Moscow leaves, then Beijing or Tokyo or the Stripes will come, which I really do not want. The teacher also told us about this plan in the classes on international law in the nineties, since then the land was given to China not measured. I come to the village which stands on the banks of the Amur River, and on the contrary, there is an island 50-70 meters away, there are flood meadows, the men mowed our hay, and now this island is Chinese. There is silence during the day, and work is being done at night, you can hear how the equipment works, the headlights are visible. So, whether we want this or not, but work on the collapse of the country is underway. By the way, in that regard, even the deadline is set, but I don’t remember which one, then it was ridiculous to hear and read all this.
  15. +1
    8 August 2012 08: 16
    So you need to carry out rotations such as Kondratov and Ivashov, moving them to high-profile, but insignificant positions in the non-black earth strip of Russia. And shuffle their entire team like a deck of cards. Or another method, but the liberals will not like it — the physical elimination of potential separatists .Type, oh oh, what grief, accident, sudden illness ... In a word, there is a way out, only political will is needed.
    1. +2
      8 August 2012 08: 38
      Apparently, the country's leadership is already lacking leverage for pressure. Or political will.
      1. 0
        8 August 2012 09: 38
        the leadership of the country successfully continues what it has begun - they first reduced the country to the size of the XNUMXth century, now they want to reduce it to the size of the XNUMXth century, and their hands are by no means short
      2. +1
        8 August 2012 09: 52
        Or the same
    2. +3
      8 August 2012 09: 27
      If you are guided by the ideas of liberals, then we should all be pid ... mi or gays and love everyone. I do not wish for a liberal paradise
  16. patriot2
    +4
    8 August 2012 08: 24
    sasha.28blaga, and in fact some scum helps them in Russia, only they can’t find it anyway ?!
  17. collapse
    +8
    8 August 2012 08: 34
    No, I am amazed at the arrogance and khamostsi of the pindos and their mongrels, to speak openly and make plans about the division of the sovereign state and right there at regular meetings to "nicely" smile and talk about some kind of reset policy.
    The farther, the dearer - this is precisely the idea we all must adhere to, and of course, the hand.
    1. +1
      8 August 2012 10: 09
      They are so raving. And this is a diagnosis.
  18. +5
    8 August 2012 08: 44
    The article is interesting. There are many materials on the topic of the dismemberment of Russia. The main thing is that such articles are written and research conducted. For the leadership to see the desire of the people to live in a single and great country. But countering dismemberment is possible only by constant reminders of the destructive work of our potential partners. Let's not forget that such Russian cities as Bialystok and Lviv, Semipalatinsk and Kars are located in other states.
    1. +4
      8 August 2012 09: 51
      And at the same time, do not forget about the fifth column., Which must be cleaned regularly, preferably before full stripping.
  19. +15
    8 August 2012 09: 13
    I do not even want to comment on nonsense.
  20. +10
    8 August 2012 09: 20
    - At the Siberian train stations you can hear the announcement "The train goes to Russia."

    Rave. I live in Siberia. I move a lot. I have not heard that. The article is another stuffing, the facts are far-fetched.
  21. +3
    8 August 2012 09: 22
    If the enemy does not surrender, then they destroy him (especially if the enemy is internal)
  22. +5
    8 August 2012 09: 30
    I, as I got to the place:
    Now foreign investments in the territory from the Urals to Chukotka do not go, because in Russia there is a “bad investment climate”. As soon as the power independent from Moscow appears there, the climate will immediately become “favorable”, and the “London” capital will rush in there with the river.
    and gave up reading. Firstly, the "London" capitals are promissory notes of bankrupts, and secondly, the government "independent of Moscow" that Baron Ungern was resurrected there? So, he ended badly, like Dudayev.
  23. +4
    8 August 2012 09: 32
    In my opinion, the author of the article in his analysis did not take into account the fact that the tandem before the elections at times raised the salaries of the cops and the military. For what? Yes, because they understand that soon the country will have to hold on bayonets. And as soon as the Ishayevs begin to go too far, our highly paid military will go on a business trip to work out their money. And such resistance as in Chechnya there they will definitely not be able to provide. Well, of course, the West will be indignant, but we still have ICBMs, even if only one can fly out of 3.
    1. karate
      -3
      8 August 2012 15: 35
      Do you want to shoot at your people?
  24. +3
    8 August 2012 09: 38
    Still, from the Middle Ages, work has been carried out by the Anglo-Saxons to dismember Russia. It seems that the law on NGOs was adopted, but this is not enough, it should be harder, as in the USA. Prohibit the holding of officials, deputies, security officials, etc., having a second citizenship or residence permit, real estate, accounts abroad. Prohibit officials from doing business. This should also apply to their family members. The punishment for concealment should be at least 20 years with the confiscation of everything and everything. Well, slowly destroy the world financial pyramid. Otherwise, there will be their own Kravchuk, Yeltsin, Shushkevich, only already in Russia.
  25. vylvyn
    +5
    8 August 2012 09: 40
    Pure water provocation. An interview was given by an enemy of the people, and an alarmist wrote down. All to the wall.
    1. +2
      8 August 2012 09: 57
      Better on the crossbar, traitors unworthy of a bullet.
  26. xmike
    +3
    8 August 2012 09: 50
    Oh, these Tang dreams of conquering Russia
    Whoever comes to us with a sword will die from the sword !!!
    1. +2
      8 August 2012 10: 00
      I agree. In addition, thanks to Stalin, our sword is vigorous.
  27. +2
    8 August 2012 10: 02
    Complete nonsense, who will allow them to separate pieces of Russia, only through a big war, but for now there are no people who want to fight with Russia.
    1. from Kiev
      +6
      8 August 2012 11: 17
      No one will separate anything. The gut is thin and the fools are no longer divided. Article - stuffing in anticipation of events in the Middle East - Russia do not go, look, your house is on fire. The compilation of facts and conclusions are tendentious. The author is a provocateur. By the way, there are much more such articles about the imminent and inevitable end of Anglo-Saxon domination with numbers and scenarios in nete and the analysis is much better. Arrogant Saxons and their ilk, it's time for you to worry about your home.
  28. +9
    8 August 2012 10: 15
    Nonsense. I live in Siberia myself. Such a scenario at the initiative of residents is never possible. I am sure that the "hack" has never been east of the Urals in his life. On the number of corrupt.
    1. karate
      -4
      8 August 2012 15: 38
      The theme of the Far Eastern Republic was raised back in the 90s, when Yeltsin uttered his famous phrase-take as much sovereignty as you can.
    2. REPA1963
      0
      8 August 2012 23: 46
      These are the inhabitants, and there the local princes rule and no one asks the inhabitants, they will not stick their nose out of the house.
  29. Owl
    +3
    8 August 2012 10: 25
    The weak central government, making mistakes and appointing only ideologically loyal "citizens" to positions, can hardly hold the territory of Russia, possibly with the arrival of a "new" president of the GDP, while carrying out "repressions" (dismissals, institution of criminal cases). In the East, in Tatarstan, in the North Caucasus Federal District, the main thing is to start and slowly bring the "power system" into a working state.
    1. +4
      8 August 2012 10: 53
      Quote: Eagle Owl
      the main thing is to start and slowly bring the "system of power" into a workable state.


      I dare to fix it a bit, purposefully bring it into working condition.
  30. dmb
    +7
    8 August 2012 10: 56
    Let's try to understand what has been written without emotion. First. The author is anonymous. This immediately suggests that there was simply no analysis. The zealous correspondent Maltsev, anxious about paying off the next loan for an apartment in Moscow, decided to create a "next" sensation for which he regularly scrapped articles from various, including foreign, publications. Since his own "revelations" are of little interest, he used a "secret" analyst. to calculate which his (analyst's) management would not be at all difficult, and then why keep secret. Further. The main villain, thirsting for sole power, is the authorized representative Ishaev. There are options here. Considering that the previous activities of Mr. Maltsev are related to this region, it is rather relatively possible to assume that he decided to "spud" him with his creativity, and Ishaev did not appreciate his impulse, he did not pour tea and did not put him into the hotel for free. The second option is also ridiculously simple. Someone, indeed an anonymous author, asked Maltsev to tell the world what a byaka Ishaev was, and disinterestedly helped him settle his loan problems. It was not only the well-known venality of "individual" journalists that prompted me to such reflections. but also the fact that the plenipotentiaries are now not the same and do not decide anything especially. The governors act directly, and they have no particular desire to change the Moscow bai for the local one. And the problem of the Far East and Siberia really exists, only people who know these regions should write about it, and not people who come there to replenish their own wallet.
  31. Patriot
    -7
    8 August 2012 11: 09
    All true says the author. And it seems that the Far East state corporation will be the beginning.
    I remind you, dear ones, that immediately after the elections, the Duma with the Federation Council (aka the club of billionaires) quickly ratified the law on accession to the WTO. We also learned about the NATO base in Ulyanovsk, the creation of the Far Eastern state corporation, which will be practically subordinate only to the founding president. And over time

    Funny is not it?

    The mechanism is already running comrades. And, they started it first, labeled with ebn, then passed the baton to Vova.

    So long as the authorities have this thieves gang controlled from abroad there is nothing to be done!

    And it is therefore imperative to urgently change the power !!!

    Quote: v53993
    v53993 Today, 10:00 ↑ ↓ 1
    I agree. In addition, thanks to Stalin, our sword is vigorous.



    I agree with you, but thanks to Putin’s regime, which actively discredits Stalin and his affairs, our vigorous sword has decreased several times and will soon become completely useless.
    1. thatupac
      +2
      8 August 2012 11: 48
      Take care, uncle. You can find Kashchenko’s address in Google if you’re not banned. Do you want to change the power? So why are you sitting at the computer? He took his dunks - and partisan in the forest. I believe in you, patriot of Russia. You will come to success ... probably ...
    2. +1
      8 August 2012 11: 48
      I won’t be reassured if they get party tickets from the closets. Russia can only be reborn in two cases:
      a) either Pyandosia and London alone destroy China;
      b) either a person comes to power in the Russian Federation, not connected with either the Communists or liberals and democrats, a fearless charismatic leader who will be followed by a people, not a swamp, a politician free from the project of the century-old devouring of the Russian Empire, a mega-ambitious dictator who won't stop at nothing.
      But, unfortunately, hardly any of this will happen, it is on the verge of a miracle
    3. +2
      8 August 2012 12: 27
      I agree with you, but thanks to Putin’s regime, which actively discredits Stalin and his affairs, our vigorous sword has decreased several times and will soon become completely useless.
      Tear off the covers. Am I now thinking of a new regiment of YaRSs is this my narcotic delirium or not?
      1. karate
        -6
        8 August 2012 14: 06
        Well, what will you do with this regiment? All these regiments are on the defense of Moscow, and Russia is big.
        1. +1
          8 August 2012 15: 15
          karate Do you even imagine from afar what "Yars" is and what does it serve?
          Quote: karate
          All these regiments are on the defense of Moscow, and Russia is big.
          1. karate
            -2
            8 August 2012 15: 42
            I am not a missile, I am a naval officer, only I doubt that this Yars can fly.
        2. +1
          8 August 2012 15: 16
          I’m wondering how the IDB ICBM protects ?! if it is an attack weapon
    4. REPA1963
      +1
      8 August 2012 23: 48
      Ten pluses !!!
  32. Geton
    +1
    8 August 2012 11: 12
    Abramovich will sell the tin deposit in Chukotka to the Chinese
    Aug 08, 2012 10:47 Section: In Russia

    Millhouse, the asset manager of businessman Roman Abramovich, will sell Pyrkakai in Chukotka, Russia's largest tin deposit. About this newspaper Kommersant, citing sources familiar with the plans of the company.
    The information has not yet received official confirmation. Sources of the publication as a potential buyer called the Chinese state Shenhua Group, which ranks second in the world in terms of coal production. Millhouse intends to gain about $ 300 million for the deposit.
    The tin reserves at the Pyrkakai deposit are estimated at 228,5 thousand tons; it ranks fourth in the world in terms of their volumes. The development of the deposit is planned to begin in 2017, and by 2018 it is planned to extract more than six million tons of ore from it annually. 11,1 thousand tons of tin and 814 tons of tungsten will be produced from it. The total life of the field is estimated at 29 years.
    Millhouse owns several mining assets in Chukotka, the most famous of which are gold deposits. So, the structure belongs to Baimskaya square - potentially the largest Russian gold and copper deposit. In June 2012, the media reported that Abramovich’s structures intend to sell a stake in this field to the Anglo-Australian BHP Billiton.
    A significant number of tin deposits are concentrated in the Far East, surpassing many tin basins in the world in terms of reserves. The largest deposits are concentrated in Chukotka and in the Magadan region. At the same time, tin mining in the region is difficult due to poor transport infrastructure, harsh environmental conditions and expensive energy resources.
    Source: Lenta.ru
    1. +1
      8 August 2012 11: 20
      completely fucked up, the last Pyrkakay is taken away. Just like we have in Kazakhstan. In Temirtau, even the popular name of the Indians from the 90s appeared - "eggplants") The English are really not visible, they are all in Aktau, gold is mined
    2. karate
      +2
      8 August 2012 14: 09
      In Chukotka, a Canadian company has been mining gold for a long time and in Magadan the same picture, I don’t remember whose company, but not Russian, so, as the hero of the comedy Gaidai said, everything has been stolen before us.
  33. thatupac
    +3
    8 August 2012 11: 45
    In the near future, Russia will give the Far East to China, since China in this region will dominate the Russian population demographically at times. And it’s not Putin who is to blame, but the Russians themselves that they don’t want to deal with fertility problems. I have said everything.
    1. red 015
      0
      8 August 2012 12: 29
      chinas suck
      1. thatupac
        +1
        8 August 2012 14: 14
        They will not ask you if Che. Sleep yourself if you want.
    2. +4
      8 August 2012 12: 30
      I read everything.
      China will dominate any region.
      Not only over Russians.
      But, Russian, he can not master.
      I wrote everything.
      ...
      I will go.
      I’ll deal with the birth rate problem.
  34. 0
    8 August 2012 12: 59
    If God forbid Russia starts to fall apart, China will not only pick up Siberia, Yakutia or the Far East, he will attach all the fragments of Russia, with the Siberian bowels a huge population of concrete power and with the Communist Party headed by China, then Eurasia will scoop up if NATO doesn’t apply it but do we need it?
  35. Vbuben2raza
    +3
    8 August 2012 13: 10
    Do not listen to the provocateurs! Yes, we are dissatisfied with Moscow, but that is so ... And in vain they ran into Ishaev, he never spoke about separation. This is normal when a person takes care of what he is responsible for. What are we here? Dibily something that falls under the Chinese or Americans? This may be for someone the homeland within the Moscow Ring Road, and for me and my friends from Kamchatka, Primorye, the Khabarovsk Territory - all of Russia!
    1. REPA1963
      -1
      8 August 2012 23: 51
      "We are not happy with Moscow," however, gives hope .....
  36. Evil Tatar
    +7
    8 August 2012 13: 32
    I will not quote anyone, but apart from Sasha Romanov, I don’t see a single commentary from the real Far East, even Magadan did not get involved, but because the nonsense can be corrected only with intensive therapy ...

    He set the article +, and only because YOU are close to the Center of Russia, MUST understand that Russia grows only in Siberia and the Far East ...
    But from YOU, only a few (a pretty deal) understand that for Russia, as the Third Rome, it means Siberia and the Far East ...
    Therefore, I believe that the article is correct only in understanding these "concepts", that the densely populated part of Russia is obliged to understand THIS and RESPOND with every breath, every bunch for their territories to the East of the Center ...
    About Ishaev, Shport, and even some of the expert’s statements - it's just nonsense ...
    There is every reason to believe that these representatives of the power of the old formation, not entirely "poor" fellow citizens, and they clearly may have their own thoughts about the further history of Russia within the framework of the East, but someone, incl. and THEY obviously forgot to ask about the attitude to these plans, let's say me, my relatives, my friends and acquaintances, neighbors, other citizens of Russia - Siberians and the Far East from the South to the North of these places ... But in vain ... We are brought up on the same basic elements, but in different conditions of existence - remember this, both friends and enemies ...
    As for the separation of Siberia and the Far East, this is not nonsense, but the goal pursued by world famous elites ... But it’s worth, but maybe not worth recalling, that they have been trying to realize such desires for many, many centuries ... And in At present, only WE living in the present can break another STORY HISTORY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
    Glory to the CPSU ... oh)))))))))))))), what am I?
    Glory to Russia! Glory to GOD that SHE is still there, and may God be forever! Glory to the PEOPLE of Russia! Hooray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I have a lot more to say for writing, but I will limit myself to this only, due to my extremely excited state at the moment ...
    1. 0
      8 August 2012 15: 16
      Don’t worry so much. In Russia, there are still smart and intelligent. And who will rise, if that. But these are your nasties ... yes.
      1. Evil Tatar
        0
        8 August 2012 16: 33
        Quote: Banshee
        Don’t worry so much. In Russia, there are still smart and intelligent. And who will rise, if that. But these are your nasties ... yes.

        Did you get it?
        Everything is so ... If anything, even some "local" will be stunned by the reality that they did not know ...
        1. 0
          8 August 2012 19: 29
          Penetrated. Even more so, imbued.
  37. +5
    8 August 2012 13: 42
    Delirium is not delirium, but in the likeness of Kazakhstan or Brazil, it would be possible to build one modern city somewhere between Vladivostok and Magadan and all the officials there. There is nothing to blow up Moscow or it will burst! The Far East needs a big city metropolis populated mainly with Russians.
  38. Patriot
    +1
    8 August 2012 13: 53
    Quote: leon-iv
    I agree with you, but thanks to Putin’s regime, which actively discredits Stalin and his affairs, our vigorous sword has decreased several times and will soon become completely useless.
    Tear off the covers. Am I now thinking of a new regiment of YaRSs is this my narcotic delirium or not?



    No. This is not nonsense. But, if you are in the know or something out of your ear heard about the Aegis system, then
    And the "titanic efforts of Dima and Vova" aimed at destroying our army do not pass without a trace.
    1. 0
      8 August 2012 15: 14
      http://topwar.ru/17401-kartonnyy-schit-amerikanskogo-flota.html
      read at your leisure, otherwise you are not visible at all in such topics, which is strange.
      Afraid of losing your idols !?

      YES and for the future, the answer button is at the bottom of the comment to which you are responding, why are you creating new ones?
  39. Evil Tatar
    +4
    8 August 2012 14: 02
    Quote: rosomax
    ! The Far East desperately needs a large metropolis city populated mainly with Russians.

    Cool comment ...
    For example, Banshee, when I proposed to him to visit the Far East at the height of the summer season of the invasion of vile and other evil spirits, he answered very predictably ...
    But ... Suppose, if he reads my post, he himself will respond ...

    And building a city is not an end in itself ... Already better than a thousand villages with infrastructure, and on the roads between - road houses with cars and other services, and coffee houses overlooking the awesome natural landscapes of Siberia and the Far East ...

    This is the topic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. +1
      8 August 2012 14: 39
      move Moscow officials to the Far East, everything will appear, even flowerpots with flowers on the roads, you can believe our experience in Astana
      1. Evil Tatar
        +3
        8 August 2012 15: 08
        Quote: Sanches
        move Moscow officials to the Far East, everything will appear, even flowerpots with flowers on the roads, you can believe our experience in Astana

        My friend Alexander, the city of Khabarovsk, which already year has been number one in the competitions of the well-equipped capitals of the regions, and sometimes even the cities of Russia ...
        Therefore, I assert that it is not only the "facade", but in essence ...
        Many colors of various Russian societies are collected in the territories at the beginning of the history of the expansion of Russia - the Urals, and then Siberia and the Far East, but it is worth knowing. that no matter what strata of society these elites belong to - these were the most talented individuals, maybe starting from schismaticism, or from the Decembrists, and maybe even long ...
        But I assure you that in my time, any military garrison in the EAST, and maybe not only, surprises with the beauty of faces and figures, the rationality and courage of the people living there ...
        Try to object to me ...
        I declare that over the Urals the moss of Russia has accumulated for all centuries, which already, at least once, has answered for itself and for Russia ...

        I mean those 22nd divisions that are universally called Siberian ...
        But it is known for certain that these divisions near Moscow arrived from the Far East border, as a result of the activities of the brilliant intelligence officer R. Sorge, and sent them, having swore into the eyes of Stalin, General Appanasenko - the hero of the USSR, not often mentioned in the tablets of the battle for Moscow in 1941.
        1. +2
          8 August 2012 15: 22
          It was. And two - 121 and 123 pp. Div. fought here with us. And in Voronezh there is a street of Heroes of Siberians. Big one. I live on it (cling).
        2. +1
          8 August 2012 15: 25
          Eugene, from the heart .....
          Apanasenko, in the end, built the road. From Khabarovsk to Vladik.
          And he died on the Kursk.
          Where, finally having surrendered the Far Eastern Front in 1943, he fell.
          .....
          Over the road ...
          For some divisions, sent to Moscow and re-formed on the spot, at home, in the Far East .. In an empty place, on their own initiative.
          For some anti-tank guns, because of which he was rude to Stalin and which he never sent to the European part, one could write books about him.
          No one.
      2. karate
        0
        8 August 2012 15: 44
        We do not need this good, our own is enough.
    2. 0
      8 August 2012 15: 20
      Already, by the way. In terms of responded. And he admitted about the vile, yes. But as people say - since such a booze went ...
      Yes, I thought here in the continuation of our conversation, which is not necessary in the summer season. In general, I found someone to sit on the tail of, so they say that it is beautiful in winter and in autumn.
      1. Evil Tatar
        +3
        8 August 2012 16: 10
        Quote: Banshee
        Already, by the way. In terms of responded. And he admitted about the vile, yes. But as people say - since such a booze went ...
        Yes, I thought here in the continuation of our conversation, which is not necessary in the summer season. In general, I found someone to sit on the tail of, so they say that it is beautiful in winter and in autumn.

        Damn ... Banshee, just every inviting person, tries to call the Guest at a time when he thinks (suejectively) that the time has come when the Guest is in the very trouble ... That's how Khrushchev saw that the Far East is almost on the same parallels with Sochi ... So what? Yes ... I just took and cut off a fairly large percentage of Far Eastern allowances ... Which of these? What do you say yourself after visiting ...
        But 300 days a year in the Far East special weather conditions ...
        Sometimes as in the Crimea, and often - take the hell out of it like where ...
        Although it’s worth acknowledging that everything is fine for me personally ... And the midge in June, when the ovary is strawberry, and a mosquito, a gadfly in ponds and rivers, and a mosquito from almost spring to autumn, and a tick (sometimes with ancephalitis), and a tick fellow worker in the taiga ...
        And humidity all year round to 100%, and winds with frost an average of 30 degrees., Which is less common in Yakutia at 50-60 frost, when frost is much easier tolerated ...
        And it’s raining, but it’s raining there - they are raining everywhere ... And what’s the snowstorm - they are in the Ukraine when they go ...
        Thank God there are no such terrible tornadoes yet ...
        But is there a climate miracle in Alaska Haab there or what?
        So come nothing special so far ...
        Meeting, show, enlightenment, etc.
        And then bobazlem for the Far East, well, it’s possible for Siberia with its Great (in any other way) open spaces and beauty ...
        1. +1
          8 August 2012 19: 31
          I do not refuse my words, I accepted the invitation. I’ll come.
  40. +4
    8 August 2012 14: 03
    The most interesting thing is that this article suddenly appeared at a time when, though not in the way we would like, but the gradual strengthening of the Far Eastern borders began. I already wrote in a parallel thread that the army is a cementing substance of any state. As much as they began to invest in both the army (navy) and conventional infrastructure, they have not invested since the collapse of the Union. The Far East and Siberia, in fact, life-determining regions for Russia, that is why the Far Eastern projects began. Those who traveled by car through the country from west to east know that the road (or its semblance) was only to Chita, and then either by train or by ferry across Lake Baikal (who needs it). Now you can get a draft to Vladik. As far as I know, from Yakutsk to Nyurka (Berkakit) the road is also put in order. Therefore, when you begin to evaluate everything in aggregate, it is clear that the government began to understand the importance of the Far East and Siberia. An article is a provocation, a trial ball on our reaction as citizens of Russia, on our maturity or nearness, on how easy or impossible it will be to divide Russia.
  41. +2
    8 August 2012 14: 05
    1. Article - a pure provocation!
    2. If the author sincerely believes in what he writes, then he is simply a shortsighted fool.

    Many drive the blizzard against the Chinese. Flag in hand! But in the impending war, it is the Chinese who will provide the bulk of the personnel for the fighting, our country is simply not able to do this in the current situation.
    That's why they are in a hurry to build communications along the Chinese border. Should that happen, the Chinese simply cannot technically support us in the European theater of operations. So they build roads with wide dumps along the roadsides, and bridges, and airports in the border strip.

    Take off your pink glasses, or whatever they have!
    1. Evil Tatar
      +1
      8 August 2012 14: 29
      Quote: 123dv
      Many drive the blizzard against the Chinese. Flag in hand! But in the impending war, it is the Chinese who will provide the bulk of the personnel for the fighting, our country is simply not able to do this in the current situation.

      The issue is controversial and categorically declare about this, I would beware ...
      But it is worth recognizing that it is not geopolitics that rules, but the mentality ...
      And whoever has a thicker intestine, or rather a "valve" stronger, will be ...

      And who has it stronger, history already knows ...

      But do not flatter yourself, everything is unstable ... which means the "valve" should always be trained, but not with homosexuals ...
  42. +1
    8 August 2012 14: 31
    Still, the bitch is numbing, everyone wants to share, divide, pick up, but to hell you can’t wait with your chest for my native country.
  43. zombies
    +3
    8 August 2012 14: 58
    The article is delusional - countries with a mono-ethnic population (and that is what Russia is, despite all its "multinationality") do not fall apart by themselves, even despite economic, social and other problems. Even attempts to implement such a scenario by force will inevitably cause resistance from a greater Part of the population. Moreover, today there are no prerequisites for the collapse of the Russian Federation, there is an eternal problem of the Caucasus, and everyone knows about it. Russia is a big country, and the orientation of the western regions to Europe, and the East to the countries of the Pacific region is inevitable !!! It is high time to stop all these horror stories about how the whole world will unite and begin to "dismember" Russia, the recent history of our country shows that themselves, with their laxity, sloppiness and general irresponsibility, have caused much more damage than all external enemies combined! !!
  44. Patriot
    +2
    8 August 2012 15: 07
    Quote: thatupac
    Take care, uncle. You can find Kashchenko’s address in Google if you’re not banned. Do you want to change the power? So why are you sitting at the computer? He took his dunks - and partisan in the forest. I believe in you, patriot of Russia. You will come to success ... probably ...



    There was no poke command. And, it seems to you there was no one to instill a respectful attitude to the interlocutor.
    Well then ... SAD!

    Quote: thatupac
    thatupac (1) Today, 11:45 ↓ 0
    In the near future, Russia will give the Far East to China, since China in this region will dominate the Russian population demographically at times. And it’s not Putin who is to blame, but the Russians themselves that they don’t want to deal with fertility problems. I have said everything.



    And here, as they say, everything is true. One thing ... It is the state that must create the conditions for solving demographic problems. And yet, people should sincerely believe that the authorities are working for the good of the people, and not for plundering the treasury and pumping money over a hill
  45. -1
    8 August 2012 15: 09
    Chekhov somehow drove around Siberia, so they barely disbanded with the consequences. It is irrational to transport the Chinese across the country in echelons. Then it will be very difficult to collect and expel them if they change their minds on the road to fight with the West. Better by air or sea.
  46. -1
    8 August 2012 15: 23
    the author of the article is his "source" - a provocateur ...
  47. itr
    +2
    8 August 2012 15: 32
    the article is a real ficale, the author does not know what kind of people live beyond the Urals. No one here ever had such thoughts.
  48. mcvdvlad
    +1
    8 August 2012 15: 48
    bullshit! But they will not ask citizens? so you will have to take the machines into your hands, to protect the integrity of the mother’s homeland.
  49. Robin_3ON
    0
    8 August 2012 15: 51
    The bureaucrats agreed, and now all heresy has to be read.
    1. -2
      8 August 2012 15: 59
      No one has yet canceled the article about treason to the Motherland. Where is the prosecutor's office looking?
  50. Patriot
    +1
    8 August 2012 16: 09
    Quote: urzul
    http://topwar.ru/17401-kartonnyy-schit-amerikanskogo-flota.html
    read at your leisure, otherwise you are not visible at all in such topics, which is strange.
    Afraid of losing your idols !?

    YES and for the future, the answer button is at the bottom of the comment to which you are responding, why are you creating new ones?



    A classic article in the style of an enemy goof, his weapons suck and easily throw his hats.
  51. black cat
    -1
    8 August 2012 16: 16
    Quote: Eagle Owl
    The weak central government, making mistakes and appointing only ideologically loyal "citizens" to positions, can hardly hold the territory of Russia, possibly with the arrival of a "new" president of the GDP, while carrying out "repressions" (dismissals, institution of criminal cases). In the East, in Tatarstan, in the North Caucasus Federal District, the main thing is to start and slowly bring the "power system" into a working state.

    Excuse me, is the weak central government the result of the rule of the Medveputov tandem, or is it the State Department’s fault again?
    In order to control any territory, you need to live on it. With a low population density, it is necessary to attract people there. Serbs from Kosovo, until the Albanians cut them off, asked to go to Russia. What a chance to replenish the population of the Far East. No, said the Kremlin. Offer free land to people from overpopulated Western Ukraine beyond the Urals, as the tsar did. You will solve two problems at once: you will reduce the number of Moscow’s opponents in Western Ukraine and the chance to replenish the population of the Far East and Siberia.
    There are a lot of options. But it seems that Putin’s priorities are the Sochi Olympics and the World Cup.
    Well then. We are waiting for the next president who doesn’t give a damn about Russia.
  52. Scholarships
    0
    8 August 2012 16: 23
    somebody( wink ) decided that China and I had become too friendly and wanted to create discord.
  53. Patriot
    +1
    8 August 2012 16: 34
    Quote: mcvdvlad
    mcvdvlad Today, 15:48 ↓ new 1
    bullshit! But they will not ask citizens? so you will have to take the machines into your hands, to protect the integrity of the mother’s homeland.



    Were the citizens of the country asked in 1991 when the country was falling apart?
    Moreover, in a situation where more than 60% voted for the preservation of the USSR.
    Did Vovochka ask you before donating lands, including Damansky (for which our brothers shed blood)?
    Maybe Dimochka asked your permission when he donated a huge part of our maritime territory to Norway?
    Or were you asked about creating a NATO base in Ulyanovsk?
    Did they really ask you personally before dragging us into the WTO?

    DON'T MAKE ME MAKE ME PLEASE!!! NO ONE WILL ASK YOUR OPINION IN RUSSIA UNDER THIS GOVERNMENT!
    1. gerome
      -1
      8 August 2012 18: 12
      And often there is no need to ask; that’s why people are put in high positions, to develop a line of behavior. It’s not for housewives to influence the country’s foreign policy.
      The communists also gave up a lot of territory to Tsarist Russia at the beginning, and then returned it with interest.
    2. 0
      8 August 2012 21: 26
      Quote: Patriot
      DON'T MAKE ME MAKE ME PLEASE!!! NO ONE WILL ASK YOUR OPINION IN RUSSIA UNDER THIS GOVERNMENT!

      Greetings Patriot! Everything you say is correct! I read the article and the comments and it makes my hair stand on end! Do you know why it is good for our government to live and lead in Russia? Yes, because we are a country of fools!
      The author of the article writes the truth! The world government will not calm down with the collapse of the USSR! I have no doubt that there will be a collapse in oil prices! Let’s all put our teeth on the shelf! I think they are waiting for the end of the Olympics, and then it will begin.......Everything is still ahead........
  54. -1
    8 August 2012 17: 13
    Definitely custom-made, where against the background of % and 1-2 they are trying to “fool” Ishaeva!!!
    Don't fall apart! But you need to be careful!!!
  55. gerome
    +1
    8 August 2012 18: 06
    As a resident of Moscow and a citizen of Russia, I don’t even think about thinking in terms of the whole country. On the contrary, I want them to stop building and inflating Moscow and start building more in other cities and villages of our Motherland.

    “And a week ago, at the request of the Far Eastern governors, Prime Minister Medvedev allowed Chinese planes to cross the state border of the Russian Federation while conducting aerial photography of the border regions of Russia.”

    There is such an international program as Open Skies. Dozens of countries have opened their airspace and allowed people to cross their borders. border to each other for aircraft with reconnaissance equipment on board (locators, photo cameras, etc.). Canada, the USA, Belarus, Russia and many European countries joined it. So this is a widespread practice, and it is important that there is no provocation from our sworn friends, the United States, on our border with China.
    The author is clearly cheating with the facts.
    1. MI-AS-72
      -1
      8 August 2012 20: 26
      Well, why shouldn’t they enter this program, but they don’t. So don’t confuse hard with cold, these are completely different topics.
  56. Lucky man
    0
    8 August 2012 18: 16
    The author of this article is clearly some kind of maniac, he has already divided Russia into pieces and is still provoking... In general, such conversations are the same as discussing the dismemberment of your own mother
  57. Okcug32
    +1
    8 August 2012 19: 05
    But in fact, none of the mere mortals had any idea that the USSR would collapse, and this could happen now, only even worse and more terrible. And who says that nothing will happen, but our leaders are ready to sell their souls for loot.
  58. +3
    8 August 2012 19: 06
    It's complete crap, not an article. I was in Khabarovsk, Ishaev should have a monument erected during his lifetime. The city is just sweet. By the way, the Chinese tried to set up something like a Chinatown there, but somehow it didn’t work out, now you can hardly find them there during the day. They say Ishaev is out of business. It all somehow “accidentally” turned out that there weren’t enough of them.
    In Magadan, I also see one Chinese for every 10 Tajiks. And neither one nor the other interferes with my life.
    So there’s no point in spreading sick fantasies here. We here in the Far East will be more patriots than the residents of the Center
    1. MI-AS-72
      -1
      8 August 2012 20: 33
      Khabarovsk is not the whole Far East, in fact, this is exactly the situation with the degradation of the population, lack of work, lack of funds for a large part of the population forces people to go to large cities, life is warm there and even the impression of moving forward is created, only this impression, but the situation is really the same as the author described, even in terms of defense capability it is completely worse.
    2. vylvyn
      0
      11 August 2012 02: 15
      Hello, Magadan. fellow In the comments above they said that the article is crap, even “Magadan” does not comment on it. We made a mistake. The article is crap, but you commented on it. laughing
      PS I see your new star is caught on your shoulder strap. Congratulations on being awarded another military rank! Hooray! drinks
  59. in reserve
    0
    8 August 2012 20: 19
    Brothers Ukrainians and Belarusians urgently unite and want to destroy their big brother!
    1. iulai
      0
      8 August 2012 21: 32
      if the ministers are like Diman, then Russia will be finished.
  60. iulai
    0
    8 August 2012 21: 31
    Corruption has been ruining Russia for a long time! Putin is silent, just as Yeltsin was silent. this is not good.
  61. 0
    8 August 2012 21: 48
    Can you list the reference points, key events, showing the process that leads to this goal?



    The author stepped on a rake
  62. bremest
    0
    8 August 2012 22: 54
    Nonsense, nonsense, but it is important to keep these events in mind and, in my opinion, the time has come for the liquidation of the Federal Districts, which could become a prototype of the disintegration of the Russian mentality.
  63. 0
    9 August 2012 05: 51
    Complete nonsense, I read until “the train goes to Russia”, I’m from Tyumen, I go to the Urals in Siberia, I’ve never heard such nonsense...
    Is this how they want it to be?!
  64. Evil Tatar
    -1
    9 August 2012 08: 54
    Quote: Bone
    Complete nonsense, I read until “the train goes to Russia”, I’m from Tyumen, I go to the Urals in Siberia, I’ve never heard such nonsense...
    Is this how they want it to be?!

    And don’t even say... The liberals are sucking all sorts of crap out of their fingers...

    Well, never mind, soon they will really suck it out...
  65. 0
    9 August 2012 13: 41
    A sad sight.
    It seems to me that adults, who are the majority here, should learn to distinguish information and analytics from propaganda and misinformation.
    It’s not clear why this “stink” was posted on a respected site?
  66. 0
    9 August 2012 19: 22
    I re-read the old comments plus new ones.
    The afftor is still a bug, but let's say that he is the new Cassandra.
    He predicted it, it came true, so what? What will happen next?!
    In the article, everything is just like in a fairy tale: It all ended with a wedding (read breakup) and the main characters (USA) began to live well and make good things!
    Yeah! This is what we have! Get to...getting to live and live!!!
    Well, why doesn't anyone ever think about what's next?
    The USSR collapsed in 91, 20 years have passed.
    Somehow the fragments of the empire do not scatter farther and farther! It's kind of the opposite.
  67. +1
    10 August 2012 05: 21
    Guys, as a person who, due to his duties, knows the Far East quite well and regularly visits various regions of the region, I’ll say frankly: the material is a piece of shit on a stick.
    Here, twenty years ago, Yegor Timurovich, while in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, said that you all not needed here! Like, we will build a human market, and you and your defense industry are “walking through the forest.”
    There was a real hole here in the 90s. But even then, there were no signs that the region was drifting away from Russia.

    And here, some liberal ideologist in a balaclava shares his brain juice with us:
    “...Today, in fact, the last stage of preparation for the separation of the Far East from Russia is already underway.”
    And what is his conclusion based on? :))) On liberal cliches, cloudy suspicions, and a liberal’s special view of human nature in general? Like: yes, if someone wants to ruin it, the people will remain silent. Fuck it, take a bite!
    He would, for starters, make the easiest analysis of what is happening in the economy of the region, in the defense industry in particular. In 2011, industry growth in the Far Eastern Federal District amounted to 154%. Yes, many large projects will reach the finish line this year, but still, growth will be greater than the Russian average.

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