Russian high-speed attack drone will be shown at the Army-2020 forum

At the international military-technical forum "Army-2020" the high-speed attack unmanned aerial vehicle "Thunder" will be presented for the first time. Its developer is the Kronstadt Group.

This information appeared on the official website of the forum.

The Kronstadt group will show materials on percussion at the forum drone "Thunder". Its operating principle is based on the concept of Loyal Wingman (faithful follower). This means that the drone will interact with the combat aircraft while under the control of its pilot.

The developer claims that the product can be used as a slave in a joint attack with manned vehicles. He will be able to open and hit air defense systems. Using high-precision weapons the drone is capable of hitting ground targets at tactical and operational-tactical depth, as well as surface and coastal targets. In addition, the unmanned vehicle can be used for reconnaissance.

The maximum take-off weight of the drone is 7 tons. At the same time, it is capable of carrying up to two tons of combat load. The length of this aircraft is almost 14 meters, and the wingspan is 10 meters.

The military-technical forum "Army-2020" will be held in Kubinka near Moscow from 23 to 29 August.

Comments

[svp67]

The maximum take-off weight of the drone is 7 tons. At the same time, it is capable of carrying up to two tons of combat load.

Yes, it should not be shown, but urgently it is necessary to send for testing, and if everything passes and the military is satisfied, decide on the purchase.

[Insurgent]

Quote: svp67

The maximum take-off weight of the drone is 7 tons. At the same time, it is capable of carrying up to two tons of combat load.

Such a strong man

According to preliminary advertising data, the “Thunder” UAV has a purpose:

- work as a "wingman" in the forward attacking echelon in cooperation with manned aircraft;
- opening and destruction of military and object air defense systems;
- defeat by guided high-precision weapons of ground targets in tactical and operational-tactical depth;
- defeat of surface targets and coastal objects;
- performing intelligence functions.

Features:
Wingspan - 10 m
Height - 3,8 m
Length - 13,8 m
Maximum takeoff weight - 7000 kg
Maximum payload mass - 2000 kg

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Insurgent

Maximum payload mass - 2000 kg

And the speed? And the range?

[Insurgent]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And the speed? And the range?

History is silent.

But I dare to suggest that since this attack-reconnaissance UAV of the Loyal Wingman concept should work in "twin" with combat aircraft, then these characteristics correspond to those of the "leader".

[SSR]

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And the speed? And the range?

History is silent.

But I dare to suggest that since this attack-reconnaissance UAV of the Loyal Wingman concept should work in "twin" with combat aircraft, then these characteristics correspond to those of the "leader".

Sometimes comrades really surprise)))
How can a piston type work in conjunction with a jet? But comrades may not think about it.)))

[Insurgent]

Quote from S.S.R.

Sometimes comrades really surprise)))
How can a piston type work in conjunction with a jet? But comrades may not think about it.)))

You at least read the title of the article - "Russian high-speed attack drone will be shown at the Army-2020 forum"?

The phrase "speed shock drone"Doesn't it tell you about anything? And where did you get the information that" Thunder "is a" piston "one?

Have you read the article carefully? At least up to the place where they write that the UAV is being developed according to the Loyal Wingman concept?

Now, this concept is Boeing's view.

[SSR]

Quote: Insurgent

Have you read the article carefully? At least up to the place where they write that the UAV

Yes, I wrote to a comrade who wondered whether the UAV corresponded in speed and range?)))
It's just that if it does not match in speed and distance, then it makes no sense to create)))

[donavi49]

What to send for testing ??? Advertising brochure? There is no UAV - there is AVAN development.

More real are Helios and Frigate - at least there are full-size mock-ups with an advertising brochure, give me some money.

[bayard]

I've had these full-size models from "Kronstadt" for about 5 years now - at exhibitions.
And still - LAYOUT.
If you are so confident in yourself that you go to exhibitions, take a loan and build at least one working copy.
Demonstrate in addition to your wishes!
For five years Russia has been fighting in Syria, for the seventh year there has been a war in Donbass ... The need for medium and heavy unmanned aerial vehicles has long been overripe, especially for drums ... it is indecent to repeat - everything is so sad.
DO IT !
And only then - show me.
Maybe then they will give money.
Maybe you will get the order.

[JD1979]

Quote: bayard

And we have all the "advance projects", models and endless tests of UAVs, the names of which are already indecent to repeat - everything is so sad.
DO IT !
And only then - show me.
Maybe then they will give money.
Maybe you will get the order.

Hand face. Do you at least ask how the Ministry of Defense orders the development and finances projects that are subsequently adopted for service.

[bayard]

Quote: JD1979

Do you at least ask how the Ministry of Defense orders the development and finances projects that are subsequently adopted for service.

As far as I know, "Kronstadt" offers its UAVs for civilian needs - this is exactly what they declared at their previous exhibitions. But so far not a single working sample.
But the models are BEAUTIFUL.
The first time I saw it, I thought, "Well, that's it, there won't be any problems with drones in the country from next year" ... It's funny to remember.
Nowadays, amateur unmanned craftsmen, radio-controlled combat aircraft models and even small aircraft are building on their own initiative and rejoice in their lives - because for themselves.
Hobby.
And here, declaring a professional approach and ... models? ...
Give money to cut?
And the MO orders unmanned vehicles to completely different institutions.
And there is little success either.

[SSR]

Quote: donavi49

What to send for testing ??? Advertising brochure? There is no UAV - there is AVAN development.

More real are Helios and Frigate - at least there are full-size mock-ups with an advertising brochure, give me some money.

You are not right.

[bayard]

Quote from S.S.R.

You are not right.

Do they fly?
Or do they just stand beautifully in the pavilions?

[SSR]

Quote: bayard

Quote from S.S.R.

You are not right.

Do they fly?
Or do they just stand beautifully in the pavilions?

Yoperny theater, do you really think that takeoff-flight-landing is a priority problem for these devices ?!
Tin is hard. Like comrades, this is not the first year on the airborne, the main problem for these devices is not takeoff and landing, but the performance of tasks where detection tools, algorithms, communication channels and a bunch of other dregs are involved, without which the aircraft itself is just an aircraft model !!!
For companies, this is an opportunity to reach partners who will be ready to invest in their concept in order to create a finished product and sell it to the arms market.

[bayard]

Quote from S.S.R.

For companies, this is an opportunity to reach partners who will be ready to invest in their concept

This is the main thing.
But not

Quote from S.S.R.

takeoff and landing

Quote from S.S.R.

performing tasks where detection tools, algorithms, communication channels and a bunch of other dregs are involved

To begin with, these models must FLY.
This means HAVE the appropriate ENGINE.
And control algorithms, channels and communication methods, etc. - all this is VERY important, but without a flying glider and engine - a simple set of instruments on a rack.
In the meantime, this is only a search for sponsors for "promising research".

[SSR]

Quote: bayard

To begin with, these models must FLY.

Tell the model aircraft builders.

[Piramidon]

Quote: svp67

Yes, do not show it, but it is urgent to send for tests

It does not interfere. You can also send a model to the exhibition.

[Kart]

How to know?
Maybe the future of such technology is a drone platform the size of a strategist. Unmanned naturally. A flying aircraft carrier type.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Hydrograph of the Golden Horn

Russia is 40 years behind

You are 40 years behind Russia ... but you didn't even notice ...

[_Ugene_]

Russia is the successor of the USSR, and it, as you know, lost in the Cold War and was dismembered into principalities, so we are reaping the fruits of defeat in the war, it is natural that we lagged behind in many areas, and some industries were completely destroyed

[Temples]

Quote: _Ugene_

Russia successor ...

Russia is more than a thousand years old.

And you are reaping the fruits of your own defeat.
As you get bored, jump out of the dope.

Life will fly by and you will not notice.

[_Ugene_]

Russia is more than a thousand years old.

and what did it give you? states and 250 years old, but they hold the whole world by the balls

And you are reaping the fruits of your own defeat. As you get bored, jump out of the dope.

And this is what I did not understand at all, or do you disagree that the USSR collapsed and we found ourselves in a full state for a couple of decades ... 20 years old and behind. You pop out of the dope

[Trapp1st]

lost in the cold war and was dismembered into principalities

We divided ourselves perfectly, if you are familiar with the history of Russia, this has happened more than once.

[CSKA]

Quote: _Ugene_

and some industries were completely destroyed

Can you name the industry or just idle chatter? And at the same time name in which areas we lagged behind.

[_Ugene_]

for example, consumer electronics, in principle, ceased to exist, in the USSR, although it was backward from the West, it had its own radio industry, now we do not produce any radio electronic components and, accordingly, there is no our consumer electronics either, but what is completely made of imported components, and this is not an isolated example

[CSKA]

Quote: _Ugene_

for example, consumer electronics, in principle, ceased to exist, in the USSR, although it was backward from the West, it had its own radio industry, now we do not produce any radio electronic components and, accordingly, there is no our consumer electronics either, but what is completely made of imported components, and this is not an isolated example

))) It is interesting that you do it. Better to do it ... but than something good, but your own. It is better to assemble household appliances of foreign companies in our country than now the state is pouring in billions in the hope of creating a TV that is in demand from all its components. And for your information we have a lot of household appliances and electronics. Here's a link to monitor.
https://productcenter.ru/producers/catalog-bytovaia-tiekhnika-eliektronika-26

[_Ugene_]

Here's a link to monitor.
https://productcenter.ru/producers/catalog-bytovaia-tiekhnika-eliektronika-26

did you find domestic electronics by this link? I am not, at most the simplest household appliances with technologies of the last century such as hoods and gas stoves in which most of the components are from China

Interestingly you do it. Better to do it ... but than something good, but your own. It is better to collect household appliances from foreign companies than

Don't you understand that guided by this logic, you can not produce anything at all, let foreign companies produce

[JD1979]

Quote: CSKA

Quote: _Ugene_

and some industries were completely destroyed

Can you name the industry or just idle chatter? And at the same time name in which areas we lagged behind.

Pharmacology, development of new medicinal formulas, chemical pharmaceutical industry. Everything is zero. Ascorbic acid and aspirin and in China you buy up to 80%, everything related to oncology, hematology, systemic and gene-related diseases - USA + EU 99+%.

[CSKA]

Quote: JD1979

Pharmacology

What are you exactly? At the end of 2017, the share of domestically produced vital drugs reached 84%.

Quote: JD1979

development of new medicinal formulas

Wake up. Who first invented the vaccine for Covid?

Quote: JD1979

chemical pharmaceutical industry

It's just ridiculous. https://ruxpert.ru/Russian_Pharmaceuticals
Find the section Russian pharmaceutical manufacturers.

Quote: JD1979

All to zero

Your thinker.

Quote: JD1979

Ascorbic acid and aspirin and in China you buy up to 80%, everything related to oncology, hematology, systemic and gene-related diseases - USA + EU 99+%.

Leave your compositions with you.

[businessv]

Quote: _Ugene_

and some industries were completely destroyed

with the active participation of some red-haired personalities who still rule, although they should have long ago been assigned a place in an unmarked grave!

[Stalllker]

Which industries were destroyed, can you list ?!

[_Ugene_]

you read the answers before repeating the question?

[Stalllker]

I didn't find an answer there, consumer electronics is not an industry

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn

Russia is 40 years behind

In what is behind. This is normal for Russia. But you too, judging by your posts, fell behind. There is such a pattern - if you are lagging behind in something, then when you make up for it, sooner or later you begin to surpass. Now we are in the stage of catching up.

[Insurgent]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

Now we are in the stage of catching up

This is where you are apparently mistaken

If "Thunder" really already exists, even if in an experimental version, then this is already advance.

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: Insurgent

this is already ahead

Don't wishful thinking. In the field of UAVs, we are in about the same position as the Americans in the field of air defense, if we compare us with them.

[Insurgent]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

Don't wishful thinking ... In the field of UAVs, we are in about the same position as the Americans in the field of air defense

No need to generalize.

With "Thunder", Russia overtook the United States in the practical implementation of the "faithful follower" concept ...

And this is a fact.

[KVU-NSVD]

The first T-50 took off FIG knows how many years ago. But the first serial F-22 entered the army earlier. The United States is thinking about replacing the Reaper, and we don't even have the likeness of his ancestors even in the likeness of the series

[Insurgent]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

The first T-50 took off FIG knows how many years ago. But the first serial F-22 entered the army earlier.

It's clear with you You started for health, and you finish for peace ...

Su-57 and F-22 - UAVs?

What does the Su-57 have to do with the Thunder UAV, except that it might be its "leader"?
But such can be any other aircraft, for example, the 4 ++ family, with appropriate refinement ...

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: Insurgent

It's clear with you

I know what the SU-57 and the Raptor are. Just cited the lag in the UAV field for comparability. For clarity ... just topic 22 and 57 are constantly procrastinating and clarity in entering the troops is obvious to everyone. It's about the same level with drones ... unfortunately. And in general, you do not need to troll me, I seem to be an adequate person and pluses and minuses for me are not an end in itself from the word in any way

[Letun]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

There is such a pattern - if you are lagging behind in something, then when you catch up, sooner or later you start to surpass

This is where you subtracted such a pattern? In fairy tales about how you lie on the stove for 33 years, and then immediately become a hero? In life, the pattern is different. Indians and Africans will confirm

[Insurgent]

Quote: Hydrograph of the Golden Horn

Russia is 40 years behind

From these drawings?

Unmanned aerial vehicle of the Loyal Wingman concept, developed by Boeing Australia (c) Boeing

[Temples]

Quote: Insurgent

From these

No from these

New model.
No kerosene required.
Works in flocks.
Built-in navigation WITHOUT SATELLITES !!!
Everything underneath will become darkened.

It is possible to load a low-power nuclear charge.

SECRET !!!!!!!!

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Insurgent

From these drawings?

From the first flight of the XQ-58A on March 5, 2019.



Boeing's Loyal Wingman is already undergoing flight tests.

https://www.australiandefence.com.au/news/loyal-wingman-breaks-cover

[Insurgent]

Quote: Grazdanin

From the first flight of the XQ-58A on March 5, 2019.

And where is the "40 years lead", given that the Kratos XQ-58 Valkyrie, this is just something experimental unmanned combat aircraft. Designed and built as part of the US Air Force's Low Cost Technology Demonstrator Program with Strike Capabilities.

And in general, it is not known whether he went beyond the experimental program ...

And the characteristics, in comparison with the "Thunder" UAV, are very modest ...

dimensions

Length: 8.8 m
Wingspan: 6.7 m

TTX

Maximum speed: 1,050 km / h (Mach 0.85)
Range: 3,941 km
Ceiling: 13,715 m

weaponry

Suspension points: 8 (2 compartments of 4 points each, with a total capacity of 250 kg)
Bombs: JDAM, GBU-39

[robocat]

Russia is 40 years behind

Speaking specifically about the UAV-slave, then, although the Hunter is not high-speed, the Russian model has already been shown in flight, the American one has not yet.
So 40 years behind is a moot point.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Robocat

the Russian model has already been shown in flight, the American one has not yet.

Google it for 5 minutes.
The hunter is an analogue of the X-47B, which took off in 2013 and sat on the deck of an aircraft carrier.



The first flight of the XQ-58A on March 5, 2019. Thunder is its counterpart.

[Nastia makarova]

when the troll will ban you, he will say nasty things to the bushes

[SHOPPING MALL]

This year there is a feeling that we are starting to catch up to the west, and not only the west, in the UAV. "Hunter" is being accelerated, "Altair" seems to have flown, UAV "Sirius" (Orion). Now "Thunder", it seems that there should be some new model.
I don't want to be disappointed. Let's hope that we are so accelerated that they will catch up with us.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: AVM

I don't want to be disappointed. Let's hope that we are so accelerated that they will catch up with us.

I am very skeptical about this. UAV is the direction where microelectronics and software are in the first priority.
But UAVs are needed like air. By the end of this decade, they will become the main air striker. At the very least, you need to fight this.

[SHOPPING MALL]

Quote: Grazdanin

Quote: AVM

I don't want to be disappointed. Let's hope that we are so accelerated that they will catch up with us.

I am very skeptical about this. UAV is the direction where microelectronics and software are in the first priority.

Microelectronics there is not the most complicated, it is not space, civil and industrial solutions are quite accessible to us, on which we can "build a board". The software is still better, the programmers in the Russian Federation are good. The only problem is that they get much more in the commercial sector than in the military-industrial complex.

I am more confused by the lack of high-speed satellite communications. Without this, the UAVs will be tied to a ground or air repeater. Maybe that's why we are so interested in the fighter + UAV bundle.

And the presence of such a connection gives the UAV truly global capabilities.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: AVM

Microelectronics is not the most difficult there

On the contrary. You need extremely high computing power with a small volume and weight. For quasi-IR. Without this, further development of the UAV is impossible.

Quote: AVM

Maybe that's why we are so interested in the fighter + UAV bundle.

This is due to the interest in the "west". USA, Austria and Britain have launched their projects. Moreover, there are already flying samples in the "metal". The United States signed a contract with 4 companies to build and test slave UAVs.
Slave UAVs in conjunction with a fighter will reset the air forces of countries that do not have such a Sparky. Crushed by the amount. It will be possible to exchange 2-3 UAVs for 1 manned fighter without a twinge of conscience.

[iouris]

Quote: AVM

Let's hope that we are so accelerated that they will catch up with us.

"Have we caught up with America in terms of milk yield?" In general, in which direction are we running? And, in general, are we running?
"Grab your bags - the station is leaving!" (the vile theory of relativity).

[Grazdanin]

Quote: iouris

In general, in which direction are we running?

Good question. In the US, the concept first appears, then the weapon that fits into it. With full understanding of what it is for, what goals it fulfills. In our country, the opposite happens more often.

[SHOPPING MALL]

Also the UAV "Helios" ...

[Mikhail Ya2]

And what is its engine?

[aszzz888]

At the international military-technical forum "Army-2020" the high-speed attack unmanned aerial vehicle "Grom" will be presented for the first time

And this can not but rejoice! They would have taken it, and as in the old days, at the same forum, they signed a contract for the release of this device, for delivery to the troops

[vel1163]

The Kronstadt group will show materials on the Grom strike drone at the forum. Ie the next drawings.

[Ryaruav]

I only know a hunter a serious car the rest is a young technician

[Tavrik]

Quote: Insurgent

With "Thunder", Russia overtook the United States in the practical implementation of the "faithful follower" concept ...

And this is a fact.

The fact is that "Kronstadt" quickly sketched something at the level of sketches. And that's all. What kind of advance can we talk about? And by the way, the question is: the pilot of the lead aircraft has nothing more to do, how to control the led aircraft and its weapons or reconnaissance means?

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Tavrik

the pilot of the leading aircraft has nothing else to do, how to control the led aircraft and its weapons or reconnaissance means?

This is done automatically, for this on fighters of the 5th generation and huge computing power is required. The pilot only gives commands, with a voice.

[Tavrik]

Quote: AVM

Let's hope that we are so accelerated that they will catch up with us.

We'll go so fast that we have an impressive zoo of miscellaneous products produced in small batches for the price of a Death Star. Plus problems with those. providing, training personnel, "implanting" all this beauty into existing control systems and so on.

[Wwk7260]

in what form will it be presented? as a layout? or as a flying specimen? boobs topic not disclosed.

[TatarinSSSR]

They will show the layout. Another.