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Russian high-speed attack drone will be shown at the Army-2020 forum

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At the international military-technical forum "Army-2020" the high-speed attack unmanned aerial vehicle "Thunder" will be presented for the first time. Its developer is the Kronstadt Group.


This information appeared on the official website of the forum.

The Kronstadt group will show materials on the Thunder attack drone at the forum. Its operating principle is based on the concept of Loyal Wingman (loyal wingman). This means that the drone will interact with the combat aircraft while under the control of its pilot.

The developer claims that the product can be used as a slave in a joint attack with manned vehicles. He will be able to open and hit air defense systems. Using high-precision weapons the drone is capable of hitting ground targets at tactical and operational-tactical depth, as well as surface and coastal targets. In addition, the unmanned vehicle can be used for reconnaissance.

The maximum take-off weight of the drone is 7 tons. At the same time, it is capable of carrying up to two tons of combat load. The length of this aircraft is almost 14 meters, and the wingspan is 10 meters.

The military-technical forum "Army-2020" will be held in Kubinka near Moscow from 23 to 29 August.
Photos used:
https://www.rusarmyexpo.ru/
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  1. svp67
    svp67 21 August 2020 09: 23 New
    +4
    The maximum take-off weight of the drone is 7 tons. At the same time, it is capable of carrying up to two tons of combat load.
    Yes, it should not be shown, but urgently it is necessary to send for testing, and if everything passes and the military is satisfied, decide on the purchase.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 21 August 2020 09: 37 New
      +7
      Quote: svp67
      The maximum take-off weight of the drone is 7 tons. At the same time, it is capable of carrying up to two tons of combat load.

      Such a strong man yes yes yes

      According to preliminary advertising data, the “Thunder” UAV has a purpose:

      - work as a "wingman" in the forward attacking echelon in cooperation with manned aircraft;
      - opening and destruction of military and object air defense systems;
      - defeat by guided high-precision weapons of ground targets in tactical and operational-tactical depth;
      - defeat of surface targets and coastal objects;
      - performing intelligence functions.

      Features:
      Wingspan - 10 m
      Height - 3,8 m
      Length - 13,8 m
      Maximum takeoff weight - 7000 kg
      Maximum payload mass - 2000 kg
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 21 August 2020 09: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: Insurgent
        Maximum payload mass - 2000 kg

        And the speed? And the range?
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 21 August 2020 09: 49 New
          +7
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          And the speed? And the range?

          History is silent.

          But I dare to suggest that since this attack-reconnaissance UAV of the Loyal Wingman concept should work in "twin" with combat aircraft, then these characteristics correspond to those of the "leader".
          1. SSR
            SSR 22 August 2020 08: 23 New
            -1
            Quote: Insurgent
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            And the speed? And the range?

            History is silent.

            But I dare to suggest that since this attack-reconnaissance UAV of the Loyal Wingman concept should work in "twin" with combat aircraft, then these characteristics correspond to those of the "leader".

            Sometimes comrades really surprise)))
            How can a piston type work in conjunction with a jet? But comrades may not think about it.)))
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 22 August 2020 08: 32 New
              0
              Quote: SSR
              Sometimes comrades really surprise)))
              How can a piston type work in conjunction with a jet? But comrades may not think about it.)))

              You at least read the title of the article - "Russian high-speed attack drone will be shown at the Army-2020 forum"?

              The phrase "speed shock drone"Doesn't it tell you about anything? And where did you get the information that" Thunder "is a" piston "one?

              Have you read the article carefully? At least up to the place where they write that the UAV is being developed according to the Loyal Wingman concept?

              Now, this concept is Boeing's view.


              1. SSR
                SSR 22 August 2020 19: 25 New
                -1
                Quote: Insurgent
                Have you read the article carefully? At least up to the place where they write that the UAV

                Yes, I wrote to a comrade who wondered whether the UAV corresponded in speed and range?)))
                It's just that if it does not match in speed and distance, then it makes no sense to create)))
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 21 August 2020 10: 22 New
      +1
      What to send for testing ??? Advertising brochure? There is no UAV - there is AVAN development.

      More real are Helios and Frigate - at least there are full-size mock-ups with an advertising brochure, give me some money.

      1. bayard
        bayard 21 August 2020 20: 17 New
        +6
        I've had these full-size models from "Kronstadt" for about 5 years now - at exhibitions.
        And still - LAYOUT.
        If you are so confident in yourself that you go to exhibitions, take a loan and build at least one working copy.
        Demonstrate in addition to your wishes!
        For five years Russia has been fighting in Syria, for the seventh year there has been a war in Donbass ... The need for medium and heavy unmanned aerial vehicles has long been overripe, especially for drums ... it is indecent to repeat - everything is so sad.
        DO IT !
        And only then - show me.
        Maybe then they will give money.
        Maybe you will get the order.
        1. JD1979
          JD1979 22 August 2020 13: 31 New
          0
          Quote: bayard
          And we have all the "advance projects", models and endless tests of UAVs, the names of which are already indecent to repeat - everything is so sad.
          DO IT !
          And only then - show me.
          Maybe then they will give money.
          Maybe you will get the order.

          Hand face. Do you at least ask how the Ministry of Defense orders the development and finances projects that are subsequently adopted for service.
          1. bayard
            bayard 22 August 2020 18: 48 New
            0
            Quote: JD1979
            Do you at least ask how the Ministry of Defense orders the development and finances projects that are subsequently adopted for service.

            As far as I know, "Kronstadt" offers its UAVs for civilian needs - this is exactly what they declared at their previous exhibitions. But so far not a single working sample.
            But the models are BEAUTIFUL.
            The first time I saw it, I thought, "Well, that's it, there won't be any problems with drones in the country from next year" lol ... It's funny to remember.
            Nowadays, amateur unmanned craftsmen, radio-controlled combat aircraft models and even small aircraft are building on their own initiative and rejoice in their lives - because for themselves.
            Hobby.
            And here, declaring a professional approach and ... models? ...
            Give money to cut?
            And the MO orders unmanned vehicles to completely different institutions.
            And there is little success either.
      2. SSR
        SSR 21 August 2020 22: 37 New
        -2
        Quote: donavi49
        What to send for testing ??? Advertising brochure? There is no UAV - there is AVAN development.

        More real are Helios and Frigate - at least there are full-size mock-ups with an advertising brochure, give me some money.


        You are not right.
        1. bayard
          bayard 22 August 2020 18: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: SSR
          You are not right.

          Do they fly?
          Or do they just stand beautifully in the pavilions?
          1. SSR
            SSR 6 September 2020 12: 20 New
            -1
            Quote: bayard
            Quote: SSR
            You are not right.

            Do they fly?
            Or do they just stand beautifully in the pavilions?

            Yoperny theater, do you really think that takeoff-flight-landing is a priority problem for these devices ?!
            Tin is hard. Like comrades, this is not the first year on the airborne, the main problem for these devices is not takeoff and landing, but the performance of tasks where detection tools, algorithms, communication channels and a bunch of other dregs are involved, without which the aircraft itself is just an aircraft model !!!
            For companies, this is an opportunity to reach partners who will be ready to invest in their concept in order to create a finished product and sell it to the arms market.
            1. bayard
              bayard 6 September 2020 13: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: SSR
              For companies, this is an opportunity to reach partners who will be ready to invest in their concept

              This is the main thing.
              But not
              Quote: SSR
              takeoff and landing

              Quote: SSR
              performing tasks where detection tools, algorithms, communication channels and a bunch of other dregs are involved

              To begin with, these models must FLY.
              This means HAVE the appropriate ENGINE.
              And control algorithms, channels and communication methods, etc. - all this is VERY important, but without a flying glider and engine - a simple set of instruments on a rack.
              In the meantime, this is only a search for sponsors for "promising research".
              1. SSR
                SSR 6 September 2020 22: 38 New
                -1
                Quote: bayard
                To begin with, these models must FLY.

                Tell the model aircraft builders.
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 21 August 2020 10: 23 New
      0
      Quote: svp67
      Yes, do not show it, but it is urgent to send for tests

      It does not interfere. You can also send a model to the exhibition.
  2. Kart
    Kart 21 August 2020 09: 32 New
    +1
    How to know?
    Maybe the future of such technology is a drone platform the size of a strategist. Unmanned naturally. A flying aircraft carrier type.
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    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 21 August 2020 09: 42 New
      16
      Quote: Hydrograph of the Golden Horn
      Russia is 40 years behind

      You are 40 years behind Russia ... but you didn't even notice ...
    2. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 21 August 2020 09: 44 New
      -18
      Russia is the successor of the USSR, and it, as you know, lost in the Cold War and was dismembered into principalities, so we are reaping the fruits of defeat in the war, it is natural that we lagged behind in many areas, and some industries were completely destroyed
      1. Temples
        Temples 21 August 2020 10: 01 New
        +9
        Quote: _Ugene_
        Russia successor ...

        Russia is more than a thousand years old.

        And you are reaping the fruits of your own defeat.
        As you get bored, jump out of the dope.

        Life will fly by and you will not notice.
        1. _Ugene_
          _Ugene_ 21 August 2020 20: 11 New
          -4
          Russia is more than a thousand years old.
          and what did it give you? states and 250 years old, but they hold the whole world by the balls
          And you are reaping the fruits of your own defeat. As you get bored, jump out of the dope.
          And this is what I did not understand at all, or do you disagree that the USSR collapsed and we found ourselves in a full state for a couple of decades ... 20 years old and behind. You pop out of the dope
      2. Trapp1st
        Trapp1st 21 August 2020 10: 24 New
        -3
        lost in the cold war and was dismembered into principalities
        We divided ourselves perfectly, if you are familiar with the history of Russia, this has happened more than once.
      3. CSKA
        CSKA 21 August 2020 17: 27 New
        0
        Quote: _Ugene_
        and some industries were completely destroyed

        Can you name the industry or just idle chatter? And at the same time name in which areas we lagged behind.
        1. _Ugene_
          _Ugene_ 21 August 2020 20: 06 New
          +1
          for example, consumer electronics, in principle, ceased to exist, in the USSR, although it was backward from the West, it had its own radio industry, now we do not produce any radio electronic components and, accordingly, there is no our consumer electronics either, but what is completely made of imported components, and this is not an isolated example
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 22 August 2020 13: 49 New
            0
            Quote: _Ugene_
            for example, consumer electronics, in principle, ceased to exist, in the USSR, although it was backward from the West, it had its own radio industry, now we do not produce any radio electronic components and, accordingly, there is no our consumer electronics either, but what is completely made of imported components, and this is not an isolated example

            ))) It is interesting that you do it. Better to do it ... but than something good, but your own. It is better to assemble household appliances of foreign companies in our country than now the state is pouring in billions in the hope of creating a TV that is in demand from all its components. And for your information we have a lot of household appliances and electronics. Here's a link to monitor.
            https://productcenter.ru/producers/catalog-bytovaia-tiekhnika-eliektronika-26
            1. _Ugene_
              _Ugene_ 22 August 2020 13: 54 New
              +1
              Here's a link to monitor.
              https://productcenter.ru/producers/catalog-bytovaia-tiekhnika-eliektronika-26

              did you find domestic electronics by this link? I am not, at most the simplest household appliances with technologies of the last century such as hoods and gas stoves in which most of the components are from China
              Interestingly you do it. Better to do it ... but than something good, but your own. It is better to collect household appliances from foreign companies than

              laughing Don't you understand that guided by this logic, you can not produce anything at all, let foreign companies produce
        2. JD1979
          JD1979 22 August 2020 13: 38 New
          0
          Quote: CSKA
          Quote: _Ugene_
          and some industries were completely destroyed

          Can you name the industry or just idle chatter? And at the same time name in which areas we lagged behind.

          Pharmacology, development of new medicinal formulas, chemical pharmaceutical industry. Everything is zero. Ascorbic acid and aspirin and in China you buy up to 80%, everything related to oncology, hematology, systemic and gene-related diseases - USA + EU 99+%.
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 22 August 2020 13: 53 New
            0
            Quote: JD1979
            Pharmacology

            What are you exactly? At the end of 2017, the share of domestically produced vital drugs reached 84%.
            Quote: JD1979
            development of new medicinal formulas

            Wake up. Who first invented the vaccine for Covid?
            Quote: JD1979
            chemical pharmaceutical industry

            It's just ridiculous. https://ruxpert.ru/Russian_Pharmaceuticals
            Find the section Russian pharmaceutical manufacturers.
            Quote: JD1979
            All to zero

            Your thinker.
            Quote: JD1979
            Ascorbic acid and aspirin and in China you buy up to 80%, everything related to oncology, hematology, systemic and gene-related diseases - USA + EU 99+%.

            Leave your compositions with you.
      4. businessv
        businessv 21 August 2020 22: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: _Ugene_
        and some industries were completely destroyed

        with the active participation of some red-haired personalities who still rule, although they should have long ago been assigned a place in an unmarked grave!
      5. Stalllker
        Stalllker 22 August 2020 05: 30 New
        0
        Which industries were destroyed, can you list ?!
        1. _Ugene_
          _Ugene_ 22 August 2020 08: 16 New
          -1
          you read the answers before repeating the question?
          1. Stalllker
            Stalllker 22 August 2020 13: 05 New
            0
            I didn't find an answer there, consumer electronics is not an industry
    3. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 21 August 2020 09: 44 New
      +7
      Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
      Russia is 40 years behind

      In what is behind. This is normal for Russia. But you too, judging by your posts, fell behind. There is such a pattern - if you are lagging behind in something, then when you make up for it, sooner or later you begin to surpass. Now we are in the stage of catching up.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 21 August 2020 09: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        Now we are in the stage of catching up


        This is where you are apparently mistaken yes

        If "Thunder" really already exists, even if in an experimental version, then this is already advance.
        1. KVU-NSVD
          KVU-NSVD 21 August 2020 09: 59 New
          -2
          Quote: Insurgent
          this is already ahead

          Don't wishful thinking. In the field of UAVs, we are in about the same position as the Americans in the field of air defense, if we compare us with them.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 21 August 2020 10: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: KVU-NSVD
            Don't wishful thinking ... In the field of UAVs, we are in about the same position as the Americans in the field of air defense

            No need to generalize.

            With "Thunder", Russia overtook the United States in the practical implementation of the "faithful follower" concept ...

            And this is a fact.
            1. KVU-NSVD
              KVU-NSVD 21 August 2020 10: 08 New
              +1
              The first T-50 took off FIG knows how many years ago. But the first serial F-22 entered the army earlier. The United States is thinking about replacing the Reaper, and we don't even have the likeness of his ancestors even in the likeness of the series
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 21 August 2020 10: 14 New
                +2
                Quote: KVU-NSVD
                The first T-50 took off FIG knows how many years ago. But the first serial F-22 entered the army earlier.

                It's clear with you yes You started for health, and you finish for peace ...

                Su-57 and F-22 - UAVs?

                What does the Su-57 have to do with the Thunder UAV, except that it might be its "leader"?
                But such can be any other aircraft, for example, the 4 ++ family, with appropriate refinement ...
                1. KVU-NSVD
                  KVU-NSVD 21 August 2020 10: 33 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Insurgent

                  It's clear with you

                  I know what the SU-57 and the Raptor are. Just cited the lag in the UAV field for comparability. For clarity ... just topic 22 and 57 are constantly procrastinating and clarity in entering the troops is obvious to everyone. It's about the same level with drones ... unfortunately. And in general, you do not need to troll me, I seem to be an adequate person and pluses and minuses for me are not an end in itself from the word in any way
      2. Letun
        Letun 21 August 2020 10: 08 New
        +3
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        There is such a pattern - if you are lagging behind in something, then when you catch up, sooner or later you start to surpass

        This is where you subtracted such a pattern? In fairy tales about how you lie on the stove for 33 years, and then immediately become a hero? In life, the pattern is different. Indians and Africans will confirm winked
    4. Insurgent
      Insurgent 21 August 2020 09: 52 New
      +5
      Quote: Hydrograph of the Golden Horn
      Russia is 40 years behind


      laughing

      From these drawings?



      Unmanned aerial vehicle of the Loyal Wingman concept, developed by Boeing Australia (c) Boeing
      1. Temples
        Temples 21 August 2020 10: 08 New
        +7
        Quote: Insurgent
        From these

        No from these


        New model. good
        No kerosene required.
        Works in flocks.
        Built-in navigation WITHOUT SATELLITES !!!
        Everything underneath will become darkened. laughing

        It is possible to load a low-power nuclear charge. wassat

        SECRET !!!!!!!!
      2. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 21 August 2020 10: 53 New
        -2
        Quote: Insurgent
        From these drawings?

        From the first flight of the XQ-58A on March 5, 2019.



        Boeing's Loyal Wingman is already undergoing flight tests.

        https://www.australiandefence.com.au/news/loyal-wingman-breaks-cover
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 21 August 2020 11: 01 New
          +3
          Quote: Grazdanin
          From the first flight of the XQ-58A on March 5, 2019.

          And where is the "40 years lead", given that the Kratos XQ-58 Valkyrie, this is just something experimental unmanned combat aircraft. Designed and built as part of the US Air Force's Low Cost Technology Demonstrator Program with Strike Capabilities.

          And in general, it is not known whether he went beyond the experimental program ...

          And the characteristics, in comparison with the "Thunder" UAV, are very modest ...

          dimensions

          Length: 8.8 m
          Wingspan: 6.7 m

          TTX

          Maximum speed: 1,050 km / h (Mach 0.85)
          Range: 3,941 km
          Ceiling: 13,715 m

          weaponry

          Suspension points: 8 (2 compartments of 4 points each, with a total capacity of 250 kg)
          Bombs: JDAM, GBU-39
    5. Robocat
      Robocat 21 August 2020 10: 32 New
      +3
      Russia is 40 years behind

      Speaking specifically about the UAV-slave, then, although the Hunter is not high-speed, the Russian model has already been shown in flight, the American one has not yet.
      So 40 years behind is a moot point.
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 21 August 2020 11: 05 New
        -5
        Quote: Robocat
        the Russian model has already been shown in flight, the American one has not yet.

        Google it for 5 minutes.
        The hunter is an analogue of the X-47B, which took off in 2013 and sat on the deck of an aircraft carrier.



        The first flight of the XQ-58A on March 5, 2019. Thunder is its counterpart.

    6. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 21 August 2020 11: 13 New
      +1
      when the troll will ban you, he will say nasty things to the bushes
  4. Shopping Mall
    Shopping Mall 21 August 2020 10: 01 New
    0
    This year there is a feeling that we are starting to catch up to the west, and not only the west, in the UAV. "Hunter" is being accelerated, "Altair" seems to have flown, UAV "Sirius" (Orion). Now "Thunder", it seems that there should be some new model.
    I don't want to be disappointed. Let's hope that we are so accelerated that they will catch up with us.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 21 August 2020 11: 09 New
      -3
      Quote: AVM
      I don't want to be disappointed. Let's hope that we are so accelerated that they will catch up with us.

      I am very skeptical about this. UAV is the direction where microelectronics and software are in the first priority.
      But UAVs are needed like air. By the end of this decade, they will become the main air striker. At the very least, you need to fight this.
      1. Shopping Mall
        Shopping Mall 21 August 2020 11: 13 New
        0
        Quote: Grazdanin
        Quote: AVM
        I don't want to be disappointed. Let's hope that we are so accelerated that they will catch up with us.

        I am very skeptical about this. UAV is the direction where microelectronics and software are in the first priority.


        Microelectronics there is not the most complicated, it is not space, civil and industrial solutions are quite accessible to us, on which we can "build a board". The software is still better, the programmers in the Russian Federation are good. The only problem is that they get much more in the commercial sector than in the military-industrial complex.

        I am more confused by the lack of high-speed satellite communications. Without this, the UAVs will be tied to a ground or air repeater. Maybe that's why we are so interested in the fighter + UAV bundle.

        And the presence of such a connection gives the UAV truly global capabilities.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 21 August 2020 11: 22 New
          -1
          Quote: AVM
          Microelectronics is not the most difficult there


          On the contrary. You need extremely high computing power with a small volume and weight. For quasi-IR. Without this, further development of the UAV is impossible.
          Quote: AVM
          Maybe that's why we are so interested in the fighter + UAV bundle.

          This is due to the interest in the "west". USA, Austria and Britain have launched their projects. Moreover, there are already flying samples in the "metal". The United States signed a contract with 4 companies to build and test slave UAVs.
          Slave UAVs in conjunction with a fighter will reset the air forces of countries that do not have such a Sparky. Crushed by the amount. It will be possible to exchange 2-3 UAVs for 1 manned fighter without a twinge of conscience.
    2. iouris
      iouris 21 August 2020 12: 35 New
      -2
      Quote: AVM
      Let's hope that we are so accelerated that they will catch up with us.

      "Have we caught up with America in terms of milk yield?" In general, in which direction are we running? And, in general, are we running?
      "Grab your bags - the station is leaving!" (the vile theory of relativity).
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 21 August 2020 18: 47 New
        -2
        Quote: iouris
        In general, in which direction are we running?

        Good question. In the US, the concept first appears, then the weapon that fits into it. With full understanding of what it is for, what goals it fulfills. In our country, the opposite happens more often.
  5. Shopping Mall
    Shopping Mall 21 August 2020 10: 09 New
    0
    Also the UAV "Helios" ...
    1. Mikhail Ya2
      Mikhail Ya2 21 August 2020 13: 38 New
      0
      And what is its engine?
  6. aszzz888
    aszzz888 21 August 2020 10: 25 New
    +1
    At the international military-technical forum "Army-2020" the high-speed attack unmanned aerial vehicle "Grom" will be presented for the first time
    And this can not but rejoice! good They would have taken it, and as in the old days, at the same forum, they signed a contract for the release of this device, for delivery to the troops
  7. vel1163
    vel1163 21 August 2020 10: 40 New
    0
    The Kronstadt group will show materials on the Grom strike drone at the forum. Ie the next drawings.
  8. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 21 August 2020 10: 56 New
    -6
    I only know a hunter a serious car the rest is a young technician
  9. Tavrik
    Tavrik 21 August 2020 11: 03 New
    0
    Quote: Insurgent
    With "Thunder", Russia overtook the United States in the practical implementation of the "faithful follower" concept ...

    And this is a fact.

    The fact is that "Kronstadt" quickly sketched something at the level of sketches. And that's all. What kind of advance can we talk about? And by the way, the question is: the pilot of the lead aircraft has nothing more to do, how to control the led aircraft and its weapons or reconnaissance means?
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 21 August 2020 11: 25 New
      -6
      Quote: Tavrik
      the pilot of the leading aircraft has nothing else to do, how to control the led aircraft and its weapons or reconnaissance means?

      This is done automatically, for this on fighters of the 5th generation and huge computing power is required. The pilot only gives commands, with a voice.
  10. Tavrik
    Tavrik 21 August 2020 11: 16 New
    -1
    Quote: AVM
    Let's hope that we are so accelerated that they will catch up with us.

    We'll go so fast that we have an impressive zoo of miscellaneous products produced in small batches for the price of a Death Star. Plus problems with those. providing, training personnel, "implanting" all this beauty into existing control systems and so on.
  11. Wwk7260
    Wwk7260 21 August 2020 12: 19 New
    +1
    in what form will it be presented? as a layout? or as a flying specimen? boobs topic not disclosed.
  12. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 21 August 2020 18: 22 New
    +3
    They will show the layout. Another.