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Will Lukashenka be able to curb the opposition: reflections and interviews

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Mass demonstrations in Belarus and the tough reaction of the authorities to them make us think: will Alexander Lukashenko cope with the opposition this time or will he have to compromise with his opponents? So far, the Belarusian authorities are in a very difficult position.


The influence of the opposition is growing, the hope is on the security forces


The current protests are unprecedented in Belarus. Unlike many other post-Soviet states, Belarus felt quite calm during all three decades of its independent existence. She was not in a fever like Ukraine, Georgia, Kyrgyzstan and some other republics. But now hundreds of thousands of Belarusians have taken to the streets.

However, it is not worth talking about the “Belarusian Maidan”: not all protesters against Lukashenka have anti-Russian and pro-Western views. Many are dissatisfied not only with the fact that "Grigorich" has been sitting for a quarter of a century in the presidential chair, but also with its vague foreign policy with constant tossing between the West and Russia.

The main support of the Belarusian dad now remains the security forces. Small in number, but well-trained and well-equipped Belarusian army is its main resource. True, many experts believe that Lukashenka's positions in the armed forces are also weakening, since the officer corps is much more positive about Moscow than the president himself. This is understandable - the ties between the Belarusian and Russian military have always been strong.


Lukashenka, realizing that he cannot stay in power without the army and Russia, can go for a forced rapprochement with Moscow. At the same time, it is obvious that if there is no top or military coup, Lukashenka will retain power, and the opposition will be squeezed out of the country. Probably, the opposition leaders themselves will prefer to leave Belarus in order not to go to jail.

Will the opposition run away from the country and where can it emigrate?


Now Lithuania has become the main foreign center of the Belarusian opposition. It was to Vilnius that Svetlana Tikhanovskaya moved, and many other prominent Belarusian oppositionists also “dug in” here. The interest of the Belarusian oppositionists is understandable - it is safer to hide from the KGB.

But Lithuania also has its own interest: firstly, Vilnius is counting on the weakening of relations between Belarus and Russia after the change of government, and this will mean that the transit of goods from Belarus and to Belarus will go through the Lithuanian port of Klaipeda; secondly, Lithuania wants to demonstrate to the United States and the European Union its ability to act as a "middle command staff" in relation to new potential "junior partners".

But, in addition to Lithuania, the events in Belarus are closely followed in other countries of Eastern Europe - in Poland, the Czech Republic and even in Romania. The positions of Eastern European politicians and public figures are clear: for the most part, they sympathize with the Belarusian opposition.

For example, a Romanian lawyer from SCPA Buruian, Caracas si Asociatii Denis Buruian, in an interview with Voenniy Obozreniye, predicted an increase in political emigration from Belarus. According to the human rights activist, the violence used by the authorities against the demonstrators is disproportionate, and the opposition will have to flee to other countries to escape persecution:

Will Lukashenka be able to curb the opposition: reflections and interviews It should be understood that since 1995 there have been virtually no free elections in Belarus as such. Naturally, a lot of people don't like it. Moreover, now the young generations of Belarusians have grown up, who look at how they live in other countries and draw appropriate conclusions. For them, Alexander Lukashenko is a dictator who has been in power for a quarter of a century and clearly does not want to leave.

VO: What is happening now in Belarus can be called political repressions?
- What else can you call the actions of the Belarusian authorities? There are peaceful demonstrators who do not commit any criminal offenses, but defend their point of view. Security officials use methods disproportionate to the actions of the protesters, and random people also suffer. But Belarus, like all other countries, formally adheres to international law, obligations to protect human and civil rights and freedoms ...

VO: Why do you think that the opposition will go into emigration?
- I practice law in Romania and even in our country, despite not being very popular as the ultimate goal of emigration, there are political emigrants from Belarus. The Belarusian authorities have repeatedly appealed to the Romanian law enforcement agencies with a request to extradite political emigrants, and each time we managed to reject these requests. As a result, the opposition remained here, in Romania, or moved to other countries of the European Union. As for the growth of emigration, if Minsk continues to act as toughly, then not only political activists will flee the country, but also ordinary young and not so citizens who value their freedom and safety.

VO: What is, nevertheless, the likelihood that the Belarusian authorities will tighten their policy towards the opposition?
- The probability is great. The point is that Lukashenka has no way back. He is in difficult relations with Russia, and relations with the West are even more complicated, especially after the dispersal of demonstrations. And now the main thing for the Belarusian leader is to stay in power by any means. At the same time, he is not as soft as his ousted Ukrainian counterpart Viktor Yanukovych, and, of course, will begin to act by force. Therefore, I predict the growth of political emigration from Belarus to various countries - from the European Union to Russia.

Thus, we see that now both President Lukashenko and the Belarusian opposition are in a very difficult situation. The president is trying to maintain power, and the task of opposition politicians, if they fail to overthrow Lukashenka, will simply be to preserve their own freedom. But then they may have to flee the country.
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  1. Egoza
    Egoza 21 August 2020 09: 04 New
    +4
    You can't sit on two chairs! It was said long ago. And now the main thing is that the security forces do not flinch. And then you look, they will sweep away both Luka and the opposition and themselves "will regulate the process" And this does not mean that there will be terrible repressions. Simply because of the hillock, "well-wishers" will not be admitted, and they will sort it out inside the country. Not recognized? They will be strong - everyone recognizes!
    Py.Sy. Happy Holidays. dear forum users! Happy Officer of Russia Day! Everything-everything-everything that you yourself wish for.
    1. Clear
      Clear 21 August 2020 09: 15 New
      11
      Quote: Egoza
      And now the main thing is that the security forces do not flinch.

      If Lukashenka does not betray his guys (like Yanukovych Berkut), then he will not flinch and everything will be fine.

      Ah, this
      Quote: Egoza
      You can't sit on two chairs!
      for a long time he needs to press something with these chairs.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 21 August 2020 09: 25 New
        16
        Romanian lawyer from bureau SCPA Buruian, Caracas si Asociatii Denis Buruian in an interview with Voenniy Obozreni predicted an increase in political emigration from Belarus


        It's okay but ROMANIANSomething belay , where did you dig so that he would make predictions about the fate of Belarus ???

        What's this, "There are no vices in your Fatherland»?

        But the poet A.A. Voznesensky continued:

        I don't respect flattery.
        There are vices in my country
        but there are prophets.
        ...
        1. Oleg Skvortsov
          Oleg Skvortsov 21 August 2020 09: 40 New
          15
          Yes, a very strange interview with VO - they also forgot the opinions of Romanian gypsies to ask laughing
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 21 August 2020 09: 45 New
            +6
            Quote: Oleg Skvortsov
            a very strange interview VO

            For me, from the moment of registration here, this is generally the first case when VO has attracted a person from far abroad as an expert ...
            But I will make a reservation - I have not been here for a long time, and I may well be mistaken.

            Perhaps this is not an isolated and not rare case.
            1. Sotskiy
              Sotskiy 21 August 2020 14: 47 New
              +4
              Quote: Insurgent
              For me, from the moment of registration here, this is generally the first case when VO has attracted a person from far abroad as an expert ...

              For some reason, I immediately remembered that 35 years ago this farthest abroad was near, and even controlled by Moscow, and not Washington. Far abroad countries passed along the borders of Greece, Italy, Austria and Germany. But times are not changing for the better, now the American "democracy" has come to Russia fellow
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 21 August 2020 16: 06 New
                +3
                Quote: Sovetskiy
                For some reason I immediately remembered that 35 years ago

                Alas, alas, alas ...
            2. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 22 August 2020 06: 25 New
              +2
              Quote: Insurgent
              ..... For me, from the moment of registration here, this is generally the first time when VO has attracted a person from far abroad as an expert ...
              But I will make a reservation - I have not been here for a long time, and I may well be mistaken.
              laughing wassat And what, in fact, be surprised? We ourselves can look at the opinion of domestic experts in large quantities on the net. But the opinion of the Romanian ikspeed certainly does not even want to look for ourselves! And so we learned that not only Lithuania, Poland and the Czech Republic, but also Romania.
          2. Alex Nevs
            Alex Nevs 21 August 2020 09: 50 New
            +4
            Exactly, so it is. And the penguins from Africa should be asked too. Probably gone crazy, and for a long time.
          3. Sklendarka
            Sklendarka 21 August 2020 10: 05 New
            +2
            Quote: Oleg Skvortsov
            Yes, a very strange interview with VO - they also forgot the opinions of Romanian gypsies to ask laughing

            At Kirkorov's?
          4. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 21 August 2020 20: 27 New
            +2
            Quote: Oleg Skvortsov
            Yes, a very strange interview with VO - they also forgot the opinions of Romanian gypsies to ask laughing

            You shouldn't be so. They ask the opinion of all those who burned Belarusian villages in the Second World War, history repeats itself ... only in the form of a farce ...
            1. tandem
              tandem 23 August 2020 00: 25 New
              -1
              there were no Romanians in the BSSR. The Magyars left a strong memory of themselves. Germans, Balts and their own identities
              1. Selenium
                Selenium 24 August 2020 08: 38 New
                0
                And the Swedes blew up the Novogrudok castle and tried to unite with Perth 1, and the French built bridges to Europe for Russia.
        2. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED 21 August 2020 10: 18 New
          +4
          Everything is fine, but ROMANIAN belay, where did you dig

          Dusy's oilcloth dreamed
          beige
          And cheeky spies
          in Bangladesh ...
          I will live, the will of God,
          among Romanians -
          They say they are from the Volga region,
          as we are!

        3. bulava
          bulava 21 August 2020 10: 51 New
          +3
          100
          with the same success you can interview Kirkorov on the events in Belarus
        4. The comment was deleted.
      2. BIABIA
        BIABIA 21 August 2020 09: 38 New
        0
        They are already pressing. He gets out, calls Putin ...
        1. SOVIET UNION 2
          SOVIET UNION 2 21 August 2020 10: 32 New
          +1
          Twisted or not. but with its population it is impossible to survive alone. In Syria, and 20 million people could not keep the country. True, the DPRK with 20 million is still holding the defense. Although the USSR did not survive and was surrendered. Two planes of FSB officers were sent to Luka 1,5 hours after the telephone conversation with Putin. Now the contingent has increased for sure. And rallies in support of Luka are kind of like the work of the Russian FSB.
      3. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 21 August 2020 09: 48 New
        +4
        Quote: Clear

        Ah, this
        Quote: Egoza
        You can't sit on two chairs!
        for a long time he needs to press something with these chairs.

        How cruel you are however. love
      4. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 21 August 2020 10: 24 New
        +3
        Lukashenka may not betray his own people. The main thing is not to betray your own! Who needs to press with chairs? One would think Russia is not looking to the West ?! Watch Kedmi's video at Solovyov's (it seems from 20 August). Kedmi asked a question. If the West supports the opposition, why won't it open the borders and accept everyone who wants a better life from Belarus? Well, that's real! Poland or Lithuania are so worried about the opposition ?! Well, let them accept the opposition for permanent residence! Weak? Well, why then yell if it's weak to accept? Prove your support in action! Take them in! After the revolution, like the civilians and the white army moved there. After WWII, the democrats sheltered the Nazis against whom they seemed to be fighting! Well, who is sitting here or trying to sit on two chairs?
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 21 August 2020 10: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          Poland or Lithuania are so worried about the opposition ?! Well, let them accept the opposition for permanent residence! Weak? Well, why then yell if it's weak to accept?

          Both Poland and Lithuania "workers" need to work hard in the fields, in the collection of strawberries, apples, etc. They are not allowed from Ukraine now and immediately "Help! There is no one to work!" So you think the opposition will work? They can only work as a "shout". I mean yelling in the square!
          1. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 21 August 2020 10: 50 New
            +2
            Well, let this opposition blow where in their opinion it is better! Let them try what they fought for! And to deprive them of Belarusian citizenship and make them banned from entry! This will be the case! And no physical violence from the law enforcement agencies! When our bearded liar was expelled from the USSR, they lamented with another dissident-It's even worse than in the USSR! But they were no longer excited against that order! How!
    2. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 21 August 2020 10: 13 New
      +2
      Well, Luke's desire to sit on two chairs is quite understandable. He had elections on his nose. To prevent the West from screaming that he has been sitting on the throne for a long time, Luka decided to bow down before the West. He thought that no one would guess his cunning plan. However, his cunning plan was solved at the expense of time! The real deflection is when your bills and those of those around you are there! Kedmi spoke very well about the opposition at Solovyov's. There is no opposition. There are dissatisfied people there! But there are dissatisfied in all countries! Do you know where the most dissatisfied are? In Switzerland! Unhappy with Luke's timing? But there are countries where the terms of government are not limited! Falsifications? How many percent was attributed to Lukashenka? And Bush? Was he honestly elected? And Kedmi is right! Good movie! Take a look.
      1. karpusha
        karpusha 23 August 2020 18: 24 New
        +1
        Lukashenka ascribed to himself 65-70% this is the main problem. Previously, it was necessary to supply only 20-30. Before, everyone saw and knew that at least 50% was for him. But today his voters have to be searched throughout the country in the afternoon with fire. Of course, you can rule your whole life if you hear your people and provide a certain standard of living. But specifically, in Belarus, people are tired of constant promises and general impoverishment. Plus his rude statements towards people and cannibalistic attitude towards opponents of the regime. In the forehead, he broke away from the people and became bronzed. This is the reason for people's discontent.
        1. SOVIET UNION 2
          SOVIET UNION 2 24 August 2020 06: 28 New
          -2
          In terms of living standards, Belarus is ahead of many cap countries. Did the protesters live in capitalist countries? Is there anything to compare with? See Kedmi at Solovyov's. From August 20. hi
          1. tandem
            tandem 24 August 2020 09: 45 New
            0
            in terms of living standards, Belarus is one of the poorest countries in Europe. Apparently from a good life, people massively leave to work in the Russian Federation, the Republic of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, the Czech Republic
            1. SOVIET UNION 2
              SOVIET UNION 2 24 August 2020 16: 39 New
              0
              For emigration to Belarus, the village option is most suitable. The President launched a village revitalization program, thanks to which many brick houses are being built in villages and villages. The local population calls them "presidential houses". Collective farmers receive them for use free of charge. And after working for 10 years, this housing becomes their property. But for this it is necessary to work and live only in this place for all 10 years.
              If you rent a 1-room apartment in Minsk, then in winter the payments will be about $ 70, and in the summer - $ 30
              the level of salaries of a village teacher is about 1,5 times higher than that of a resident of the city.
              Well, it's very hard in Belarus !?
              1. tandem
                tandem 24 August 2020 18: 57 New
                0
                You are telling me this !!!
                In 2014, refugees from Ukraine appeared in Belarus. Without money and property. Everything is lost. They were offered work on collective farms. Accommodation was provided. These same houses. They worked for a couple of months and left. They said - work on the collective farm yourself and live in these houses, with such salary and prices. If you rent a one-room apartment in Minsk, then in winter the communal apartment will be about 40, and in the summer 20 bucks. Plus for renting an apartment 250. The salary of a worker is now 1000-1200 rubles on hand. The course is 2.5 rubles per dollar. I will not say about the salary in collective farms. But they are significantly lower than in the city.
                The teacher must subscribe to state newspapers according to the order, in the obligation. Squeeze money out of people for the needs of the class, toilet paper, organize repairs in the assigned class by the efforts of yourself and your parents. Run after every goof who doesn't want to learn. Obligatory subbotniks with their own inventory. Now they also drive bows to rallies in defense
                So, if it's so cool in Belarus, you are welcome. We will be glad. Many people left. No one to work.
                1. SOVIET UNION 2
                  SOVIET UNION 2 25 August 2020 06: 15 New
                  0
                  Well, if Europe is so cool, then the suitcase-station-Europe! You can deport as the Germans were deported in the 45th from Poland and Czechoslovakia! hi
                  1. tandem
                    tandem 25 August 2020 08: 08 New
                    -3
                    but this is no longer your business
          2. karpusha
            karpusha 24 August 2020 11: 56 New
            0
            Belarus is one of the 10 poorest countries in Europe and is steadily moving higher and higher in this sad rating. What cap. countries you speak?
            1. SOVIET UNION 2
              SOVIET UNION 2 25 August 2020 06: 24 New
              +1
              Only by the number of cars per capita is ahead of Russia! And in the poverty rating of Belarus, zero percent of the poor!
              1. karpusha
                karpusha 25 August 2020 09: 36 New
                +1
                What else is a zero percent poverty rating? Two years ago, 2 million people in our country received less than the subsistence minimum. Population 2,5 million
    3. svp67
      svp67 21 August 2020 10: 15 New
      +4
      Madam hi
      Quote: Egoza
      ... And now the main thing is that the security forces do not flinch. And then you look, they will sweep away both Luka and the opposition and themselves "will regulate the process"

      And where is that knight? One thing is bad, the military is good at bringing everyone to order, but somehow they are not doing well with the economy.
      Quote: Egoza
      And this does not mean that there will be terrible repressions.

      Yes, what kind of repression, it is enough just to leave the exit borders open for a while ...
      Here's something else interesting, but why the workers of state enterprises are "spun" to the strike, and where is the proletarian solidarity of the workers of joint ventures?
    4. iouris
      iouris 21 August 2020 11: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Egoza
      You can't sit on two chairs!

      Yes. We must try to sit on three chairs, and preferably twelve.
    5. nikolaevskiy78
      nikolaevskiy78 22 August 2020 19: 19 New
      0
      "Strong will be - everyone recognizes"
      C / f "Ivan the Terrible"
      Dir. S. Eisenstein 1944
      Like +)
  2. Pereira
    Pereira 21 August 2020 09: 05 New
    +5
    Lukashenka is saved only by the fact that there is no analogue of UNA-UNSO in Belarus. Otherwise it would have been the Ukrainian scenario.
    However, he does his best to make the analog appear. It is already crystallizing.
    The Belarusians do not go to the demonstrations with the official flag. Only with the flag of the pro-Western opposition.
    So, little by little, they will get used to the fact that you can protest only according to Western patterns, and not according to your own.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 21 August 2020 09: 32 New
      +7
      Quote: Pereira
      The Belarusians do not go to the demonstrations with the official flag. Only with the flag of the pro-Western opposition.
      So, little by little, they will get used to the fact that you can protest only according to Western patterns, and not according to your own.

      Here you are very much right, the theory of "Overton windows" at work. Everything is as written.
    2. svp67
      svp67 21 August 2020 10: 17 New
      +4
      Quote: Pereira
      Lukashenka is saved only by what is in Belarus
      there is no such obvious and often antagonistic division into "east" and "west",
    3. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 21 August 2020 10: 33 New
      -3
      There is no analogue of UNA-UNSO? Watch the video of Semin-Alien's Wedding.
    4. karpusha
      karpusha 23 August 2020 18: 43 New
      +1
      Why did you decide that white-red-white is the flag of the Western opposition? They even made me laugh a little kindly.
    5. FOBOSS
      FOBOSS 24 August 2020 20: 18 New
      0
      The flag, by the way, is originally Belarusian, and appeared long before the communist one. At the same time, Luke took the first oath under this flag.
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    1. Pereira
      Pereira 21 August 2020 09: 08 New
      +1
      The crusher will fall off.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 21 August 2020 09: 13 New
        +1
        The crusher will fall off.

        Cope. There is not only a crushing machine, there is a system.
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 21 August 2020 09: 16 New
          0
          Perhaps yes. The system can crush. Lukashenka is faster than the street. One night.
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 21 August 2020 09: 21 New
            +3
            Perhaps yes. The system can crush. Lukashenka is faster than the street. One night.

            It is good to. Then he has nowhere to go, only with us, he already understood that.
            The main thing for the Kremlin is not to rush and not press. A hot stallion must be tamed gradually.
            For starters, a common currency and an army.
            1. Pereira
              Pereira 21 August 2020 09: 54 New
              +5
              Do you understand? There is no such confidence. Serve and again for the old.
            2. SOVIET UNION 2
              SOVIET UNION 2 21 August 2020 10: 36 New
              0
              A hot stallion must be tamed gradually.
              For starters, a common currency and an army.
              Is this from the example of Chechnya?
              1. Doctor
                Doctor 21 August 2020 10: 42 New
                +3
                Is this from the example of Chechnya?

                Nice analogy. Why not?
                For a start, maximum autonomy. But legally already a part of Russia. At first, Belarusians will feel an improvement, especially state employees. This will reduce the heat.
                Then time will do everything.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 21 August 2020 09: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: Arzt
          Cope. There is not only a crushing machine, there is a system.

          The system is of course worked out, but everything needs to be done quickly. They delayed the first round, or overslept. It almost became destructive, and now it is necessary to quickly localize and eliminate the tumor. The surgeon came to his senses, and if the assistants do not work back, then the outcome will be positive.
        3. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 21 August 2020 11: 45 New
          -3
          Quote: Arzt
          There is not only a crushing machine, there is a system.

          There BELARUSIAN PEOPLE
          https://news.tut.by/society/697487.html
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 21 August 2020 11: 49 New
            +1
            There BELARUSIAN PEOPLE

            There is no WHITE. And there is no Vitaly Gusin.
            There is Vitaly Gusin and there is the RUSSIAN PEOPLE. One genetically. Which was temporarily divided by the enemies.
            But you can't crush genes with your finger ...
            1. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 21 August 2020 12: 06 New
              -1
              Quote: Arzt
              But you can't crush genes with your finger ...

              But tanks, as it was before, and the riot police, or maybe tanks again, easily.
              In history, everything has already happened and the 300-year rule of the horde and the construction of the Third Reich.
              But the people will always be free.
      2. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 21 August 2020 10: 34 New
        -1
        Why didn't the crush in Odessa fall off in Ukraine?
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 21 August 2020 11: 13 New
          0
          Odessa is hiding and waiting for a chance.
        2. tandem
          tandem 24 August 2020 09: 51 New
          0
          in Odessa, as I understand it, a disorganized crowd was beaten and burned by well-organized and trained combat groups with the assistance of the authorities. And when they officially seized power, they did not conduct an investigation.
  4. Mouse
    Mouse 21 August 2020 09: 07 New
    +4
    Will Alexander Lukashenko cope with the opposition this time or will he have to compromise with his opponents?

    just give me a finger ... bite off the hand up to the neck ...
    1. Clear
      Clear 21 August 2020 09: 17 New
      +4
      Quote: Mouse
      Will Alexander Lukashenko cope with the opposition this time or will he have to compromise with his opponents?

      just give me a finger ... bite off the hand up to the neck ...

      Grygorych played out with the local nationalists. I thought smarter than everyone.

      Vasily, hello.
      1. Mouse
        Mouse 21 August 2020 09: 27 New
        +2
        Hi, Yasnaya! love
        Grygorych finished badly

        Games they are ... today you, tomorrow you ...
      2. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 21 August 2020 10: 43 New
        -4
        Well, religious confessions can also act as nationalists! We have unofficially adopted Orthodoxy. There are crosses in front of the settlements. Roofing felts are the territory of Orthodoxy, roofing felts the settlement of kirdyk. And it is quite possible that a religious fuse can also be set on fire.
        1. Sklendarka
          Sklendarka 21 August 2020 11: 28 New
          0
          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          Well, religious confessions can also act as nationalists! We have unofficially adopted Orthodoxy. There are crosses in front of the settlements. Roofing felts are the territory of Orthodoxy, roofing felts the settlement of kirdyk. And it is quite possible that a religious fuse can also be set on fire.

          In the sense of Allah Akhbar?
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 21 August 2020 09: 07 New
    +5
    There are peaceful demonstrators who do not commit any criminal offenses, but defend their point of view.

    Somehow, at first, there was enough anger on both sides.
    Now everyone has calmed down ... now and unacceptable excesses are no longer visible, and on both sides.
    All the same, a legal assessment of all actions of those and other parties to the conflict must be given.
    there will be no righteous judgment, and there will be no further order.
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 21 August 2020 09: 22 New
      +1
      All the same, a legal assessment of all actions of those and other parties to the conflict must be given.
      there will be no righteous judgment, and there will be no further order.

      An assessment should be made, but not now. Any assessment will be a detonator now
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 21 August 2020 09: 47 New
        +3
        Quote: Ruswolf
        An assessment should be made, but not now. Any assessment will be a detonator now

        It is necessary to collect information now, hot ... debriefing later, when the passions subside.
        1. tandem
          tandem 24 August 2020 09: 53 New
          0
          in Ukraine have already investigated
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 24 August 2020 10: 08 New
            0
            So there the legal authority was demolished with all the ensuing consequences.
            1. tandem
              tandem 24 August 2020 19: 37 New
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              General: both here and there, superbly trained, equipped, trained and organized fighters defending the interests of the minority imposed their will on the unorganized majority. Amorphous mass. The so-called people.
              Differences: there, the minority overthrew the legally elected government. Here - the illegitimate government, which came to power through falsifications, imposes its will on the majority.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 25 August 2020 06: 36 New
                0
                Quote: tandem
                Here - the illegitimate government, which came to power through falsifications, imposes its will on the majority.

                But this will have to be proved ... otherwise, this is idle talk.
                It is clear that the authorities have played ... in their favor, but they have support, or the majority of the population does not care, which in fact is identical !!! Millions have not come out on the street ... maybe yet? Boom to see, we are in the gallery, not participants.
                1. tandem
                  tandem 25 August 2020 08: 06 New
                  -1
                  it is easy to prove - repeated elections with other election commissions under international supervision and transparent vote count. And there will be no questions
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 25 August 2020 08: 38 New
                    +1
                    Quote: tandem
                    it is easy to prove - repeated elections with other election commissions under international supervision and transparent vote count. And there will be no questions

                    It is necessary to change the rules of the "game" dramatically ... change legislation!
                    Just to hold new elections, at the request of someone out there, the crowd, it would be outright stupidity on the part of the authorities, if they do it!
                    AHL is still that cunning van, but he's not stupid to that extent.
    2. dzvero
      dzvero 21 August 2020 09: 41 New
      +3
      Calmed down ... the day before yesterday, information flashed that a group of Western journalists carrying large sums of money had been turned up in the Minsk airport. So the protests are coming to naught ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 21 August 2020 09: 48 New
        +4
        Quote: dzvero
        Calmed down ... the day before yesterday, information flashed that a group of Western journalists carrying large sums of money had been turned up in the Minsk airport. So the protests are coming to naught ...

        Anything can be ... it is necessary to treat infe very carefully, there are too many lies from all sides.
        But those who are supposed to do the work as it should be!
      2. pro100y.belarus
        pro100y.belarus 21 August 2020 10: 06 New
        -2
        Quote: dzvero
        Calmed down ... the day before yesterday, information flashed that a group of Western journalists carrying large sums of money had been turned up in the Minsk airport. So the protests are coming to naught ...

        Counter information appeared. Russia has sent an agitation landing to Belarus. The strikers were replaced by Russian strikebreakers.
        A powerful propaganda campaign has been deployed - "For the Old Man!" But even here the Russians got it wrong - no one in Belarus calls this monster, even those who voted for him (a lot of honor). Only Russians call him "Father".
        Come on, drown for him, get a second Donbass, only from the other side.
        1. dzvero
          dzvero 21 August 2020 10: 32 New
          +5
          Why would I drown for AHL? After all, if within ten days the opposition failed to undermine the system (Ministry of Internal Affairs, KGB, army, parliament, administration, judicial and legislative authorities), then it is a no brainer that the plan has failed. Now the month of "tightening the screws" will come. Closer to autumn, there will be "chickens counting" and the proclamation of a "new course". And by Christmas, everything will return to normal ...
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 21 August 2020 12: 42 New
            +1
            Quote: dzvero
            Now the month of "tightening the screws" will come. Closer to autumn, there will be "chickens counting" and the proclamation of a "new course". And by Christmas, everything will return to normal ..

            Yes, this option can come true.
            But Europe has already announced sanctions on Lukashenka and his group, but simply cut off the oxygen, and in the language of economists, various European loans for which he lives today and with which he has not yet paid off, he will no longer take away. And what is left for him, it is right to surrender to Putin, and this means that you will pay these loans correctly YOU, will begin privatization i.e. feeding oligarchs and money floated to offshore.
            Young people leave and you will pay for the maintenance of social infrastructure YOU from your pocket and in your trouser belt you will have another hole.
            1. SOVIET UNION 2
              SOVIET UNION 2 21 August 2020 18: 11 New
              0
              In the internet it was infa that China helped the dad with the money!
              1. Vitaly gusin
                Vitaly gusin 21 August 2020 21: 36 New
                -1
                Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                In the internet it was infa that China helped the dad with the money!

                Yes, after Putin withdrew a loan, Lukashenko took out a loan from the Chinese in December 2019 in the amount of $ 0,5 billion to repay this year's $ 4 billion loan.
              2. tandem
                tandem 24 August 2020 09: 55 New
                0
                he is constantly begging there. Only loans are mostly tied. they buy Chinese goods
        2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 21 August 2020 10: 38 New
          +3
          Something is cheap You appreciated yourself, simple Belarus. The thousandth would be more convincing. However, you, of course, better know how much you cost.
    3. Terrible GMO
      Terrible GMO 21 August 2020 11: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      All the same, a legal assessment of all actions of those and other parties to the conflict must be given.
      there will be no righteous judgment, and there will be no further order.

      Will not be. The Prosecutor General's Office has already made it clear that cases of violence against civilians will not be investigated, cases of falsification are ignored. Because the law is established by only ONE person. And, frankly, he doesn't care about the rule of law.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 21 August 2020 12: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: TerribleGMO
        It will not.

        What will happen, it will have to wait, and then draw conclusions ... And so, in general, look who is drowning for the father, and how many people he has already been "sentenced" ... interesting statistics will turn out.
        To tell that all / many people were worried about the old / new president here, this is utter stupidity.
        But for normal relations with the people close to us, the majority are really experiencing ... they can express their thoughts a little, weakly, clumsily, BUT FROM THE SOUL!
        1. tandem
          tandem 24 August 2020 09: 59 New
          0
          I can see. You just hear - to grind the Protestants with clubs, shoot, plant, deprive them of citizenship. Hanging on lampposts is not yet offered, and thanks for that
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 24 August 2020 10: 10 New
            0
            Options - id / I / Ets are enough everywhere, these are not our ids / I / Ets at all.
  6. BAI
    BAI 21 August 2020 09: 11 New
    0
    the opposition figures themselves will prefer to leave Belarus in order not to go to jail.

    Well, a criminal case has already been initiated against the Constitutional Court.
  7. Essex62
    Essex62 21 August 2020 09: 19 New
    -5
    The question is, is Lukashenka ready for a constructive dialogue with youth? It is she who is the real engine of the protest, its real content. Separate from the sent gayropeyskie Cossacks and work with jewelry, and not fiddle around. This should be the Belarusian Office. So far, something turns out badly. Or has it already happened?
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 21 August 2020 09: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: Essex62
      It is she who is the real engine of the protest, its real content.


      Not an engine at all, an engine - the core of the protest is completely different people who were specially trained in "street fighting", but the real content, yes, I agree. The youth were given the illusion that they could change something and gave eee drive and adventure.
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 21 August 2020 23: 27 New
        0
        That is what he said. Just militants, they are just terrorists. The law enforcement officers have all the legal grounds and possibilities to clean them up harshly. But they hide behind and use the eternally boiling, seething, seething youth, who are not at all in business, but they get a kick out of "I can’t most," more than those who are really supposed to. My thought is not at all in tune with the well-known - they are children. I mean that the Office slept. All this had to be strangled in the bud. And it is necessary to work with young people, although what can be explained to today's Belarusian girls and boys when capitalism is everywhere around. Entertainment gushes at the neighbors, and they have a collective farm club at 21 00 at the castle. Consequence of the destruction of the Iron Curtain. RB is the last in this row. Lukashenka will not resist with such an approach, the talk will still provoke a buza, but well-known partners use it. There is only one way out, as in Czechoslovakia or China, to wind the harp.
        1. _Sergei_
          _Sergei_ 23 August 2020 08: 09 New
          0
          At the slaughterhouse there is a koz yol who leads a herd of sheep to slaughter. If the rams followed him, then there is no need to look for the extreme and make excuses that they were brought there. Parents should be the first to educate young people. What they have grown, they have grown.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 23 August 2020 17: 03 New
            +1
            Modern children do not perceive "education". The surrounding reality is so strikingly different from the rational, good, eternal that everything goes into emptiness. The conflict between generations is much deeper now. The gap is catastrophic. The world has gone crazy, this is reflected in everyday life and results in a political crisis. It is almost impossible to earn the respect of children by honest work, decency, kindness. The main postulate of modern society is success at any cost and profit. If you do not correspond, do not teach to live. You are a parent-loser.
            No one took them there (on the Maidan), this is their own way of thinking. Judging by the statements of my daughter. He condemns the actions of his father and supports the young idiots who crawled out under the democratizers of the riot police. It does not work to change my mind, although I share my views on the world order.
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 21 August 2020 09: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Essex62
      The question is, is Lukashenka ready for a constructive dialogue with youth?

      It is difficult, if not impossible, to discuss with people heavier than a spoon in the hands of those who held nothing. You will talk to them about "Thomas", but they do not know and do not understand what it is, and they will talk to you about "Eremu", to which you are suspicious.
    3. tandem
      tandem 24 August 2020 10: 02 New
      +1
      not ready. I'm not ready for any dialogue, with anyone. There is only one approach - to crush, beat, plant. Even before the elections, he said that he would arrange a second Andijan without hesitation.
  8. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 21 August 2020 09: 20 New
    +9
    The author has a distorted idea of ​​what is happening in Bnlorussia.
    At the moment, Alexander Grigorievich has seized the initiative from the opposition. Rallies are being held for Belarus and against the Maidan. Thousands of people come to the rallies. Car rallies are held. People who vote for creation, and they are still the majority, have a head on their shoulders, and they know how to think and analyze.
    Interesting facts about the opposition's program of actions after the coming of power are emerging. The program had been prepared for a long time, before the elections. One to one copy from the Ukrainian Maidan.
    A criminal case was initiated on the attempt of the state. coup and the first conspirator has already been summoned for interrogation. The economic damage from the riots has already been calculated, and I hope it will be included in the case.
    There are very few defector cowards.
    The strength and support of Lukashenka is not only in the security forces, but also in the masses. The main force is among the people, among the people who do not want to follow the Lithuanian runaway, who is sitting behind the hill and speaks broken English.
    In general, I believe that Belarus will cope on its own and the mess will end soon.
    1. Darkesstcat
      Darkesstcat 21 August 2020 09: 23 New
      -3
      If the security officials punish that they have gone too far (in some cases, specifically), people come back from the wheelchairs and tell "funny" things, they will be able to slightly extinguish their discontent.
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 21 August 2020 09: 35 New
        +5
        Nobody will punish anyone. They pacified the armed aggressive crowd. And they did what they did right.
        1. Darkesstcat
          Darkesstcat 21 August 2020 13: 24 New
          +1
          Maybe, but inhumanity should not be forgiven, otherwise people quickly deteriorate.
    2. pro100y.belarus
      pro100y.belarus 21 August 2020 10: 10 New
      -2
      Quote: 7,62x54
      The program had been prepared for a long time, before the elections.

      I don’t think you are a victim of propaganda. I think we have before us a "fighter of the invisible front" on a salary.
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 21 August 2020 10: 17 New
        +1
        It's good what you think. Keep doing this. Only your symptoms bother me. In all you see paid agents.
    3. Terrible GMO
      Terrible GMO 21 August 2020 12: 02 New
      -3
      Quote: 7,62x54
      Interesting facts about the opposition's program of actions after the coming of power are emerging.

      About which only Lukashenka began to talk and suddenly it appears in the media.
      A real seer. He told about the militants and three days later they tied the Russians. He told about the "fat bourgeois" and a day later the arrest of the candidate and the seizure of the Russian bank.

      Quote: 7,62x54
      Rallies are being held for Belarus and against the Maidan. Thousands of people come to the rallies. Car rallies are held.

      To which people are convincingly asked to appear under threat of dismissal or for time off? Helicopters, campaign trucks and army equipment are sent in, harvesters are being driven to the square. Real spontaneous and popular rallies.

      Quote: 7,62x54
      but these are still the majority

      Something is not noticeable. How many of them were seen last Sunday.

      Quote: 7,62x54
      The economic damage from the riots has already been calculated,

      Damage from disconnecting the Internet - did the "opposition" ruin everything too?

      Quote: 7,62x54
      The strength and support of Lukashenka is not only in the security forces,

      Only. And in frightened officials.

      That's all, you can call it a paid Polish spy.
    4. tandem
      tandem 24 August 2020 19: 47 New
      0
      rallies are all for Belarus. First of all, the protesters hold rallies for Belarus. The difference is that people come to opposition rallies themselves. And the pro-government employees are driven under threat of dismissal. Theses: whoever is not with us is against us. And - the state, this is me.
  9. Boris55
    Boris55 21 August 2020 09: 23 New
    +7
    It must be understood that since 1995 there have been virtually no free elections in Belarus as such

    Where are they?

    All nominees to choose to register as a candidate must be rich themselves or have sponsors of the rich. In the first and second case, they do not represent the interests of the majority. A simple hard worker does not have such finances, and it is impossible to throw off the whole world on his candidate, and no one has tried. This is just one of the barriers so that only those who need to get into power ...

    So in "free" elections, the people have the right to decide only what oligarchic clan will rule the country in the near future (in the United States, these are the Kenedy and Clinton clans).

    ps
    "State policy and management in a crowd-" elite "society is an agreement reached on the capabilities of various clan-corporate groupings in using the state structure and system to achieve their narrowly corporate goals."
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 21 August 2020 09: 28 New
      +5
      Boris, it turns out that you and I have a common opinion "+" for you hi
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 21 August 2020 09: 32 New
        +5
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        Boris, it turns out that you and I have a common opinion "+" for you

        Thanks. Clan groups can work not only for their own pocket, but also for the interests of the country. We have a clan of security officials working for the interests of the country. As in one of the TV series Dukalis said: "This is our cow and we milk it."
        1. dauria
          dauria 22 August 2020 08: 44 New
          0
          We have a clan of security officials working for the country's interests.

          Well, Boris .... that's wrapped up. We started well about the USA, the struggle of clans. And then again - the "silovik clan". That is, the armed forces, police and courts belong to some of the richest people in the country forever and forever. Then what other clans in our country can we talk about, what kind of clan struggle? Gopniks came, gutted bankers and industrialists, planted or shot those who balked ... laughing
          No, Boris, this is not the case with us. The simpler thing is that the moneybags contain security officials as guards. The head of security barks - scramble from work.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 22 August 2020 09: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: dauria
            Then what other clans in our country can we talk about

            There were: the clan of the regionals (Shaimiev), the clan of Moscow (Luzhkov).
            There are: the siloviki clan (Putin), the Matvienko clan, the Volodin clan.

            Quote: dauria
            that's all - the moneybags contain security officials as guards.

            The FSB jails, the prosecutor's office releases. The fight continues.
            Not all power structures are loyal to the security forces clan.
    2. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 21 August 2020 22: 38 New
      +2
      In Western countries, this mechanism is so refined that the simple voter has a full effect of presence. Ugh. Choice.
      1. dauria
        dauria 22 August 2020 09: 32 New
        +3
        In Western countries, this mechanism is so refined that the simple voter has a full effect of presence. Ugh. Choice.


        Surprise, but it is. A simple voter is part of the regulation system.
        Of course, it’s not about him. He is a pawn, and his role is to maintain the balance between the groups at the top. But this is a sign of a high level of development of capitalism, which is not sliding towards monopoly. The monopoly of one group on power and the entire economy leads to a losing country in the economic race. Simply put - the USA is much closer to socialism according to Marx than the USSR was. No matter how fantastic it sounds. laughing
        We and China have a long way to go before. Early. And even harmful now. The struggle of the oligarchs will only lead to the collapse and weakening of the country.
  10. Clueless
    Clueless 21 August 2020 09: 24 New
    +1
    Uh-huh, the opposition is gathering huge rallies. It is Lukashenka who is now the opposition, which is held only at the expense of the security forces, who are shining in the articles for violence
  11. tank64rus
    tank64rus 21 August 2020 09: 25 New
    +6
    Then piss off. And hurry up if they let you escape. Or they think that they will forgive them for their calls for reprisals against the families of security officials. This is worse for them than Lukashenka.
  12. Clueless
    Clueless 21 August 2020 09: 25 New
    -3
    Quote: 7,62x54
    At the moment, Alexander Grigorievich has seized the initiative from the opposition. Rallies are being held for Belarus and against the Maidan.


    True? Bring a bunch of teachers on buses from all over Belarus? And on September 1, where he will take them :)
    1. 7,62h54
      7,62h54 21 August 2020 09: 36 New
      -2
      There is not much left until September 1, let's wait
  13. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 21 August 2020 09: 28 New
    +2
    The current protests are unprecedented in Belarus. Unlike many other post-Soviet states, Belarus felt quite calm during all three decades of its independent existence.

    Everyone thought that everything was calm in Belarus, and dulled their vigilance, and "Overton Windows" and the money of the "Soros Foundation" worked tirelessly. And everything happened as expected, there are a lot of examples - the USSR, Yugoslavia, Egypt, Georgia, Armenia, Ukraine. A "color" revolution can be created in any country according to the formula "media-money-time". The best minds of capitalism, institutions and foundations work for this. And no one is immune from this, even for the next 5 years.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 21 August 2020 09: 59 New
      +5
      Quote: tihonmarine
      and "Overton Windows" and the "Soros Foundation" money worked tirelessly.


      You personally forgot the AHL, which was actively working on its overthrow - carrying out creeping Belarusization, allowing various funds there in the Republic of Belarus and actively shitting Russia ...
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 21 August 2020 10: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        You personally forgot the AHL, which was actively working on its overthrow - carrying out creeping Belarusization, allowing various funds there in the Republic of Belarus and actively shitting Russia ...

        Well, we all know very well that NGOs, these structures exist on state money. They implement the programs of the US government under the guise of the state itself. The recipient is a nongovernmental organization, and the donor is also nongovernmental, but the primary source of the money is the federal budget of the United States of America.
        Free cheese is only (Lukashenka probably forgot where) in a mousetrap.
        But the Foundations may not be dependent on the state, but the state itself is afraid of these funds. A striking example is the "SOROS FUND". And who feeds from the hand of Soros - "Soros".
  14. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 21 August 2020 09: 30 New
    +5
    It should be understood that since 1995 there have been virtually no free elections in Belarus as such.
    Why absent? there is nowhere to turn from the observers in the areas. Paid article. Falsifications can be in units of percent, but not in tens. and judging by the results, the people are really for Khrykhorich.
    1. Kart
      Kart 21 August 2020 09: 43 New
      +1
      That's right. And they are really watching, the protocols are signed, the commission reacts to their claims.
      And as the elections were held, their own parties begin to howl about the fact that they were deceived.
      How?
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 21 August 2020 09: 49 New
        +4
        No way. For the post-Soviet opposition, the main principle is to howl loudly and shovel more at the fan. Have you ever heard intelligible proposals from the "oppositionists", except for the screams about injustice, corruption and other tricks of the "regime"?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 21 August 2020 10: 40 New
          -1
          Quote: KVU-NSVD
          Have you ever heard intelligible proposals from the "oppositionists", except for the screams about injustice, corruption and other tricks of the "regime"?

          From Lithuania the "housewife" broadcast about decommunization and privatization.
          1. KVU-NSVD
            KVU-NSVD 21 August 2020 10: 48 New
            0
            Quote: tihonmarine
            From Lithuania the "housewife" broadcast about decommunization and privatization.

            What kind of Lithuania? On all central channels "opposition" broadcasts daily ... And what? According to the same opposition, we live in a terribly totalitarian country .. A madhouse ... but these fools are trying to stir up the Maidan in Belarus, and in Russia they are planning ... And we have it just around the corner ... you remember ... even corruption was in the millions ... just that ..
    2. Terrible GMO
      Terrible GMO 21 August 2020 12: 05 New
      +4
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Why absent? there is nowhere to turn from the observers in the areas.

      Then why were observers nominated by the population from their own polling stations not allowed to the polls? Why were they expelled even from the school grounds? Why do the data on early attendance from observers and the data of the protocols differ at times?

      Quote: Carte
      That's right. And they are really watching, the protocols are signed, the commission reacts to their claims.

      This, as I understand it, is not sarcasm?
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 21 August 2020 12: 23 New
        -1
        Why, then, do the observers not announce and their parties do not announce their results for specific areas? what's stopping? If the opposition presents copies of the protocols from hundreds of polling stations, then it will be covered in chocolate, but it will simply riot for a fee, relying on the youth ...? ... then God will judge ...
    3. tandem
      tandem 24 August 2020 19: 56 New
      0
      nonsense. Of all my acquaintances, I have only two willing to vote for him. They voted for Tikhanovskaya only in the absence of other options. And so, Babariko was the favorite. Director of Belgazprombank, if anyone does not know. By the way, they are trying to squeeze the bank. Luca sadly said: - If the Russians abandon the bank, they will have to take it for themselves. Goodness should not be lost. The team must not be left without work! for reference: the bank is the third largest in the Republic of Belarus.
  15. Pavel73
    Pavel73 21 August 2020 09: 35 New
    14
    I see only two distinct claims against Lukashenka: "stayed too long", "rushes between Russia and the West." Neither one nor the other is the basis for his forceful overthrow and plunge the country into chaos.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 21 August 2020 10: 41 New
      0
      Quote: Pavel73
      Neither one nor the other is the basis for his forceful overthrow and plunge the country into chaos.

      As the cops used to say in the old days, "The main thing is to find a pretext for arrest, let alone an article for him."
  16. likana
    likana 21 August 2020 09: 47 New
    -3
    Arrest the Coordination Council, resign Lukashenka, send the Governor-General to Minsk to Moscow to restore order and carry out democratic reforms ... Further - according to the situation.
  17. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 21 August 2020 09: 51 New
    +2
    Lukoshenko is saved only by the fact that the protesters did not get to the weapon. They were shooted, they put the big ones in prison. Now they are entering from the other side. The siloviki leave the service, we will give you money, but then, when we really want to! They need to get to the weapon, that's what these calls to the security forces. Lukoshenko began to act ahead of the curve. There are two hot days ahead. As long as Lukoshenko is acting normally with the security forces and the authorities. For the protestors: The oath of a serviceman is sacred, the army rests on this. bully
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 21 August 2020 10: 44 New
      0
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Lukoshenko is saved only by the fact that the protestors did not get to the weapon.

      Not a fact, non-brothers and Poles could hurry up.
  18. Gardamir
    Gardamir 21 August 2020 10: 04 New
    -3
    Imagine, during the war years, Soviet citizens would listen not to the TASS reports but to the propaganda of Gebels. Now for Russia one opinion is issued, Lukashenka is a tyrant, riot police are atrocities.
    And here it turns out there are rallies in support of Lukashenka, but they are ignored by both Western and for some reason Russian media.
    And then, what they write about Belarus can be said about Russia, when the main candidate ignored the debate.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 21 August 2020 10: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Gardamir
      Imagine during the war, Soviet citizens would have listened not to the TASS reports but to the propaganda of Goebbels.

      Excluded, there was nothing to listen to, all the receivers were seized. Radio only.
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 21 August 2020 23: 51 New
        0
        As I understand it, this was the key, they listened to Goebbels from the official radio. Well, the utter absurdity, which we observe not only in the Republic of Belarus, but also in our country, in the zomboyaschik constantly appear vile faces like amnuel, sytin and others and carry such that the index finger of the right hand begins to bend reflexively, and the eyes squint. But those born in the bourgeois RF do not have such immunity, as we Soviet ones, they believe.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 22 August 2020 11: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Essex62
          But those born in the bourgeois RF do not have such immunity, as we Soviet ones, they believe.

          There is definitely no immunity. Even under Khrushche, they imposed a term for wiretapping "voices from over the hill".
  19. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 21 August 2020 10: 30 New
    -1
    only with Russia, only to Russia, but in modern Russia it is not very good for a hard worker, but as it were, we’re holding on with this Putin, just the cooperative Lake Babelderb club or some other club doesn’t accept it, so the athlete gave the go-ahead to the serfs, we’ll plow everything together equally at least 30% work in Russia, well, where do we all go, we are scoops and it sounds proudly
  20. parusnik
    parusnik 21 August 2020 10: 33 New
    -1
    may agree to a forced rapprochement with Moscow.
    .... During, during ... for rapprochement at the head of the Foreign Ministry, V.V. Makei. left ... Just, the very thing ... Another interesting thing that he muddied there in the new Constitution, the same zeroing of the deadlines ...? smile And so, wherever you throw it, there is a wedge everywhere ... Lukashenka will remain, relations will not get better, will remain as before ... The opposition will come, relations will worsen, but not immediately ..
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 21 August 2020 23: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Makeya V.V. left.


      Do you seriously think that Makei is an independent figure? This is the face of the two-faced, uh, Yanus-Lukashenko turned to the West. A different face looks at Russia.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 22 August 2020 01: 30 New
      0
      He muddied the redistribution of powers from the president to parliament and government.
  21. bulava
    bulava 21 August 2020 10: 58 New
    +2
    Before the elections, Lukashenka made mistakes. It was not necessary to catch peasants in sanatoriums, but pro-Western provocateurs, it was necessary to close the borders tightly. What were his special services doing? Why didn't you consult with us? After the elections, But Father made another key mistake - it was necessary to introduce a curfew and not wait for the first sacred victims to appear. For two days I sat in a stupor and as a result, the infection began to spread from the streets to the economic sector. Well, all these attempts But father's performances look pathetic now. I would like to say - close the borders and enter the CC before it's too late!
  22. Berg berg
    Berg berg 21 August 2020 11: 11 New
    +1
    Of course he can if he wants, but for this you need to close the borders for free access from the western direction and oblige all Western guests to leave the country within a week from the moment of registration at the border! Otherwise, a fine in the amount of 100 thousand bunnies will be imposed, the Ministry of Internal Affairs will control the delivery of the decree to every Westerner!
  23. Dimy4
    Dimy4 21 August 2020 11: 13 New
    +7
    Alexander Grigorievich "drew" too many percentiles for himself, he would have estimated somewhere 60-65, you see, there was a smaller butch.
    1. zulusuluz
      zulusuluz 22 August 2020 07: 44 New
      +1
      The people would not have risen. And so, he essentially spat in the face of those who voted against him. Not for a certain candidate, but against him.
  24. Campanella
    Campanella 21 August 2020 11: 18 New
    +1
    It is clear that Lukashenka will now have to highlight the accents in the country's political course.
    The people must be asked questions to which they themselves must answer.
    And this is the choice of the path in which state they want to live.
    In fact, Belarus is the same China, only the role of the Communist Party is played by Lukashenko. Yes, subsoil and other resources are in the hands of the state, and private business is mainly medium and small.
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  26. akunin
    akunin 21 August 2020 11: 27 New
    +2
    Many are dissatisfied not only with the fact that "Grigorich" has been sitting for a quarter of a century in the presidential chair, but also with its vague foreign policy with constant tossing between the West and Russia.

    I agree that I stayed too long, but it’s even funny to read about foreign policy.
  27. Rostislav
    Rostislav 21 August 2020 11: 39 New
    +5
    Already got tired of this expression, which is present in absolutely all publications concerning the situation in Belarus:
    Security officials use methods disproportionate to the actions of the protesters,

    What methods are used by the police in other countries? Tear gas or exhortations?
    1. Terrible GMO
      Terrible GMO 21 August 2020 12: 07 New
      -2
      Quote: Rostislav
      What methods are used by the police in other countries? Tear gas or exhortations?

      Does he use torture and violence against detainees? Goes unpunished?
      1. bulava
        bulava 21 August 2020 12: 53 New
        +2
        How do you know what they are using? This information will certainly never be broadcast by Western media in our direction. They always have full democracy and tolerance in everything.
      2. Rostislav
        Rostislav 21 August 2020 12: 57 New
        +3
        Torture? What "military secret" can you learn from a 20-year-old jerk who was brought to the streets by lack of critical thinking and herd instinct? Meaning?
        YouTube is replete with sentimental videos, where a young man tearfully tells how he was beaten and his fingers were broken in the pre-trial detention center, pointing with a chubby hand at a lone bruise on his leg.
        If only he would bandage his sick fingers, which they allegedly broke in the SIZO !!
        And after all, there are idiots who brandish such "proofs" with foam at the mouth.
        Victims of the exam. It is sad to see how easily young people succumb to deception.
      3. dzvero
        dzvero 21 August 2020 13: 32 New
        -1
        Violence is a vague concept, let's leave it to lawyers. But about torture in more detail, pliiz. Where are bruises, such that the whole body is in black-blue-red-green stains, broken arms / fingers / legs, cracked skin from bruises, burn marks, knocked out teeth, broken noses and jaws, torn nails or needle marks under them , torn ligaments, cuts, traces of being tied with cable / tape / handcuffs ... No? Well, then the rest of the statements are lies.
        1. rudolff
          rudolff 21 August 2020 19: 30 New
          0
          Except for torn nails and needle marks underneath, everything else in bulk. The internet is full of photos, videos.
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  29. Uncle Izya
    Uncle Izya 21 August 2020 17: 42 New
    -3
    3 million went to protests, this is already a cockroach in opposition
  30. Prisoner
    Prisoner 21 August 2020 19: 01 New
    +1
    It can, if it doesn't merge the security forces.
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 21 August 2020 19: 27 New
      +1
      This is if the security forces do not merge it, which is very possible.
  31. Essex62
    Essex62 21 August 2020 23: 36 New
    -1
    Quote: Boris55
    Thanks. Clan groups can work not only for their own pocket, but also for the interests of the country. We have a clan of security officials working for the interests of the country. As in one of the TV series Dukalis said: "This is our cow and we milk it."

    It’s just about, it’s milked, and it doesn’t apply to the country's interests.
  32. Unknown
    Unknown 22 August 2020 06: 57 New
    +1
    this time he will sit, he took the first blow at once, it is easier further. the Kremlin took a step forward, began to provide support, and the MO, from the Ministry of Internal Affairs for him, will sit still. but next time, questionable. here you have to choose, or with Russia, or against.
  33. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 22 August 2020 07: 42 New
    +2
    If Lukashenka had announced the election results of 51/40 percent, the people would not have risen. And he just spat in the face, falsifying the election results. Then he set on riot police and internal troops, who beat and raped already detained citizens in the pre-trial detention center.
    And the people will not forgive him all these violations of the legislation of the Republic of Belarus. It will not be the same. We remember fascism and we have something to compare with.
  34. beer-youk
    beer-youk 23 August 2020 19: 31 New
    +3
    Did anyone listen to the end of Tikhonovskaya's speech? She's so stupid that she doesn't even understand what a fool she is! And this is a reference face of any opposition! In comparison with her, the notorious Sobchachka is Aristotle, Voltaire and Spinoza in one person.
  35. fif21
    fif21 23 August 2020 23: 16 New
    +1
    Tanks in China Square, meat on trucks, and in the PRC have forgotten about the corrupt students who decided to carry out a color revolution in the PRC. Guaydys need to be crushed in the bud, then there will be more blood. hi
  36. Campanella
    Campanella 24 August 2020 13: 05 New
    0
    "There is no place for your weapons on our streets!"
    The slogan of the oppositional alternatively gifted people.
    Does this mean that only their weapons are on the streets?
    I watched the video, there like freely gathered oppa at the gates of the Atlant factory calling on the workers to strike.
    Chants, applause ... Theater of parasites.
    And they shout the following "Atlas come out!"
    and "We will support!"
    I look at these geeks and think, well, how can you support and with what? ...
    To feed families, teach children, treat?
    In fact, these are paid parrots and headless extras that have nothing to do. And these "people" can lead to a bright future?
    1. karpusha
      karpusha 24 August 2020 18: 39 New
      0
      People give money to such factory workers. Some donate $ 500 at a time to such funds.
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 24 August 2020 19: 41 New
        0
        This money will not save even once.
        To interrupt for a while, perhaps, and then, when everything gets up, what will they do? Not working is an option.
  37. itis
    itis 24 August 2020 19: 40 New
    0
    choose the lesser of two evils.
    let them flee the country.
    1. agond
      agond 25 August 2020 08: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Campanella
      This money will not save even once.

      If the opposition can hire supporters from the street, then why can't Lukashenka find someone (from among the workers) to attract to his side, to gather popular squads to disperse the Protestants, he cannot retreat.
  38. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 25 August 2020 12: 01 New
    0
    If the authorities start shooting at people, people have the moral right to respond.
  39. Pacifist
    Pacifist 25 August 2020 14: 02 New
    0
    People taking to the streets under the flags invented by the occupation authorities of Germany in 1918, returned to use by the occupation authorities of Nazi Germany for a handful of traitors and fueling nationalism. Supportive leaders speaking in English and negotiating with the country's enemies are not opposition. It has another name.