New small-sized machines are ready for state tests

Concern "Kalashnikov" has completed preliminary tests of small-sized automatic machines AM-17 and AMB-17, developed within the framework of the ROC "Malysh". This was stated by the general director of the concern Dmitry Tarasov.

According to Tarasov, the production of prototypes has now begun, which will go for state tests.

As previously reported, the Kalashnikov concern has developed small-sized automatic machines to replace the outdated AKS-74U and AS Val. For the first time, the machines were presented at the Army-2017 forum.

The total length of the AM-17 assault rifle is 740 mm, the barrel length is 230 mm. The cartridge used is 5,45X39 mm, the magazine holds 30 rounds. The telescopic stock folds to the right, the fire mode switches are located on both sides of the machine. The cocking handle can be located on both the right and left sides weapons, which is very convenient for lefties, who can customize the weapon for themselves. There is a Picatinny rail that allows you to install various sights and lights on your weapon. Weight AM-17 - 2,5 kg.

The small-sized silent machine AMB-17 as a whole repeats the design of the "basic" AM-17, but has a number of characteristic differences. AMB-17 received a modified barrel with an integrated silencer. The cartridge used is 9X39 mm. Magazine for 20 and 30 rounds.

Comments

[Victor_B]

Do I understand correctly that this is just a shorty from an AK-12?

[sanek45744]

Not. This is a completely different machine. In fact, this is a Dragunov ma assault rifle in a new body kit.

[D16]

I would add that from modern ones it is close in design to the FN SCAR.

[Laksamana besar]

The machine is similar in design to the American M 16.

[D16]

Only by the presence of a lower receiver for the trigger. The rest is AK.

[Laksamana besar]

It also "breaks" into two parts for incomplete disassembly, there are hinges. I'm writing about a device, not a technology.

[good]

The closest thing to the AM-17 is the Czech CZ-806 BREN-A2, only the Czech is flimsy
Well, and, accordingly, with the bolt group of AR systems and with ammunition supply, it is almost like the AR, although it is easily adaptable to AR magazines using an insert. Army like immediately with AR ammunition.
FN SCAR carries more AR systems constructs.

Yes, AM17 carries more of the Izhevsk school.
Automatics and bolt group as in SVD with ammunition supply and usm from Kalash.
Just a barrel and a barrel bun on top and bottom of a muffler and a shaft in a single composite body with an integrated handle.

[Hog]

Quote: Victor_B

Do I understand correctly that this is just a shorty from an AK-12?

No

[Mavrikiy]

various sights on the weapon

And the sighting range is 200 m?

[John22]

Why disfigure a machine gun for a powerful cartridge with a 230 mm barrel? Use the Submachine Gun. After all, you get the same eggs - AKS-74U!

[Lopatov]

Quote: John22

Why disfigure a machine gun for a powerful cartridge with a 230 mm barrel?

To minimize the number of calibers at the "grass roots" level.

[Genry]

Quote: John22

After all, you get the same eggs - AKS-74U!

This is an evolving new line of assault rifles. So far for the special forces.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Mavrikiy

And the sighting range is 200 m?

Sorry. Is it really 250 m, guessed right?

[Mountain shooter]

A very powerful cartridge for a small submachine gun ... low weight - strong recoil. Well I do not know. For a small-sized 9x21 it would be just right. IMHO.

[D16]

I wonder what, besides the AK-12, prevents you from making a normal machine gun with a full-fledged barrel or, in general, an machine gun with interchangeable barrels of different lengths, in order to come to uniformity in the shooting room?

[Genry]

Quote: D16

I wonder what, besides the AK-12, prevents you from making a normal machine gun with a full-fledged barrel or, in general, an machine gun with interchangeable barrels of different lengths, in order to come to uniformity in the shooting room?

Too new and no previous experience.
The history of AK says that the first option will not last even a couple of years: there will be improvements.

[D16]

Timofeich had no experience then. And now KK relies on the entire experience of Timofeich and after him. Moreover, there is nothing revolutionary new there. The construction is made of almost the same cubes, they are simply assembled differently in two receivers. Another thing is that the military does not need it yet. AK-12 has just started to arrive.

[Genry]

Quote: D16

AK-12 has just started to arrive.

The AK line is fundamentally outdated. We need to slowly develop MA and the process has already started.

[Genry]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

A very powerful cartridge for a small submachine gun ... low weight - strong recoil. Well I do not know. For a small-sized 9x21 it would be just right. IMHO.

This is a SWAT machine gun, not a police submachine gun.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Genry

Quote: Mountain Shooter

A very powerful cartridge for a small submachine gun ... low weight - strong recoil. Well I do not know. For a small-sized 9x21 it would be just right. IMHO.

This is a SWAT machine gun, not a police submachine gun.

If you are talking about army special forces (i.e., intelligence), then why would they? "To hear better" (c)?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

A very powerful cartridge for a small-sized machine gun ... low weight - strong recoil.

For a very short barrel, the cartridge is redundant. I agree. But about the strong impact - no. Judging by the AKSU, it is practically not there. And there will be a lot of noise when shooting (again, judging by AKSU)

[Bad_gr]

Dragunov assault rifle, on the basis of which AM-17 and AMB-17 were made

[Keldysh Mstislav]

I would add an option in caliber 7,62x39.
It is not clear if there is a "three-shot" firing mode. Cocking handle on the left is good. For the hand holding the weapon by the pistol grip should not be used to reload the weapon. It is not clear with the direction of ejection of the liners ....

[saygon66]

- If the photo on the screensaver is correct, then there is no cutoff of the queue: the fire mode switch is three-position.
- The casings are ejected to the right. The handle is also on the right, in the video, anyway ..
- It is unlikely that a modular system like Steyr was used ...

[Keldysh Mstislav]

Almost all developed countries of the world that produce automatic weapons supply cutoffs for shots. And Steyr, and FaMas, and Heckler-Koch, etc. ... Even the Chinese. The warriors found it useful. We have no, no. I'm left-handed.
Served for 7 years. I know that it "spits" carbon deposits in the face, when shooting from the left shoulder, when the ejection window is on the right. Steyr and FaMas solved the problem.
Our ADS machine gun also does not have such ...

[saygon66]

- Attempts were made ... On the same AK12 in the original version ... We found it easier to train a soldier to work in short bursts ... By the way, did you use the cut-off flap from the sleeve-catcher bag?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Keldysh Mstislav

Almost all developed countries of the world that produce automatic weapons supply cutoffs for shots ............. Warriors found it useful. We have no, no.

[saygon66]

- Sorry, there is a possibility to rearrange the handle!

[Doliva63]

Quote: Keldysh Mstislav

the hand holding the weapon by the pistol grip should not be used to reload the weapon

Why is this ?!

[saygon66]

- American trick ... Assumes, if there is a cartridge in the chamber, if necessary, fire a shot ... Well, if you shot the magazine "to a piece of iron" - there is no point!

[Doliva63]

Quote: saygon66

- American trick ... Assumes, if there is a cartridge in the chamber, if necessary, fire a shot ... Well, if you shot the magazine "to a piece of iron" - there is no point!

Some kind of chukhnya. American chip, in general

[saygon66]

- When a knowledgeable person explains all this, everything seems to be logical and understandable ... This method of reloading has common features with the technique of reloading a pistol ... With our right hand we hold the weapon, with our left we change the magazine. The instructor is pretty good at it ...

[Doliva63]

Quote: saygon66

- When a knowledgeable person explains all this, everything seems to be logical and understandable ... This method of reloading has common features with the technique of reloading a pistol ... With our right hand we hold the weapon, with our left we change the magazine. The instructor is pretty good at it ...

Yes Yes Does the knowledgeable person know that spare shops on the right side are hanging around the state? And then, with the left hand it is easier to hold the assault rifle resting on the shoulder, while maintaining an approximate aiming line. But you can't hold the machine gun with your right one. Of course, I am not a "knowledgeable person", but an ordinary worker, a simple plowman from a machine gun. For 10 years he shot for the rest of his life

[saygon66]

- I won't argue ...
- It's just a different school. Yes! When reloading, the automatic machine does not rest on the shoulder, but turns the magazine window to the left and the butt starts up "in the armpit" (?) on right. True, then you have to struggle with sending the cartridge.
- In general: "In a lot of knowledge and a lot of sorrow ..." (C)

[Doliva63]

Quote: saygon66

- I won't argue ...
- It's just a different school. Yes! When reloading, the automatic machine does not rest on the shoulder, but turns the magazine window to the left and the butt starts up "in the armpit" (?) on right. True, then you have to struggle with sending the cartridge.
- In general: "In a lot of knowledge and a lot of sorrow ..." (C)

Along the way, this is not an army school. Worth nothing but money spent

[Laksamana besar]

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[KSVK]

Yes, making such a shorty under 5,45x39 is nonsense. A short barrel will not give a normal speed, and at low speed a light 5,45 bullet will not have any destructiveness from the word at all. Under 5,65 NATO, the barrels make 16 "= 406 mm. Here it is TWO times shorter. There will be a fukalka for crows with a meter-long torch on the muzzle. Nonsense of a gray mare.

AMB-17 received a modified barrel with an integrated silencer. The cartridge used is 9X39 mm.

But this is more interesting. Although IMHO, as already mentioned above, 9x21 would be optimal.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: KSVK

as mentioned above, 9x21 would be optimal.

The cartridge - 9X39 mm, with the subsonic speed of a heavy bullet, is much better suited for a silencer than 9x21. Here, just, everything is according to the mind.

[Simargl]

Quote: Bad_gr

The cartridge - 9X39 mm, with the subsonic speed of a heavy bullet, is much better suited for a silencer than 9x21. Here, just, everything is according to the mind.

Not only. Most likely 9x39 and faster gunpowder. This means that in a short barrel it burns out more efficiently and burns out before the bullet leaves the barrel, while the muffler works better.
But 5,45x39 - for long barrels and in almost a pistol one, almost half of the powder will burn out already when the bullet will fly out of the barrel and 9x21 from the same barrel will have practically the same energy ...

[cat Rusich]

Vladimir, there is a 9x30 "Thunder" for PP Cheetah 1997. Article about PP Cheetah on VO "Experimental submachine gun" Cheetah "April 5, 2014

[Bad_gr]

Quote: cat Rusich

submachine gun "Cheetah"

As I understand it, he did not go into the series.

[vadivm59]

I am amused by the constant saying "convenient for left-handers". For 2 years of service in 1977-1979, I have not met a single left-hander. Neither in training, nor in a combat regiment. They probably hid))).

[Zaurbek]

Why only small ones? What prevents a full-fledged machine from doing? Only replace the barrel with a long one. We must immediately, as foreigners do. Three barrels - compact-medium-heavy.

[good]

Quote: KSVK

Yes, making such a shorty under 5,45x39 is nonsense. A short barrel will not give a normal speed, and at low speed a light 5,45 bullet will not have any destructiveness from the word at all. Under 5,65 NATO, the barrels make 16 "= 406 mm. Here it is TWO times shorter. There will be a fukalka for crows with a meter-long torch on the muzzle. Nonsense of a gray mare.

AMB-17 received a modified barrel with an integrated silencer. The cartridge used is 9X39 mm.

But this is more interesting. Although IMHO, as already mentioned above, 9x21 would be optimal.

Tell it to the Germans, Americans and Czechs who make 230 to 400 barrels on one platform :)
Especially about the lethality :))
Kills 5,45x39 well, bullets are light, unfold in the body and tear flesh.
Look at the shooting from the aks74u at cars from 100 meters, no difference with the ak74, it just makes holes through.
This is not a weapon for trenches, but for those who are more important than dimensions. There is little space in combat vehicles and helicopters with planes, and not all military personnel shoot even in war, but just in case it does not hurt to have ammunition-compatible weapons compatible with the main machine gun in the army.
And the quiet version with 9x39 is in every way more efficient than 9x21

[Note]

A completely unnecessary weapon. What did not suit Aksu? Just upgrading by adding all this functionality is enough. Unification seems to have been forgotten or scored. Is there a lot of money?

[D16]

In principle, there is special sense in replacing the machine for those who do not use it, but must have I do not see. But it looks like an attempt to introduce a new, more promising platform, which over time in the process of development will supplant AK, Val and Vintorez as a dead branch of evolution.

Just upgrading by adding all this functionality is enough.

Do you know how to make AKS-74U easier? When adding functionality (receiver cover from AK-12), the weight of the machine will increase.

[Note]

You did not understand my comment. All the functionality of this model is also applicable to the AKC. Without any weighting. There, after all, the receiver is plastic. It can also be used everywhere except for the usm, barrel, and some fasteners. And where does AK 12 in general?

[D16]

The AM only has a plastic lower receiver with trigger. The upper one, in which the bolt carrier is moving, is steel. Behind the hill, aluminum alloys are used for its manufacture in similar structures, but not plastic. You are confusing with pistols. But there the loads are not the same. So plastic in the manufacture of the receiver of AKMoids is most likely not applicable.

And where does AK 12 in general?

I was referring to the use of its receiver cover for a normal mount for sights.

[Note]

Mounting the receiver cover on the AKSu is quite rigid and reliable, it is hinged and not removable. Plastic reinforced with steel elements can easily withstand higher loads than calibers 5,45 and 7,62. After all, the impact of the bolt group is also extinguished by a spring, in some models of weapons by additional dampers, and in the most loaded places it is reinforced with metal parts.

[D16]

I know. She is from the PKK. But it was not for nothing that the AK-12 went the other way. .