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Russian passport as the last hope of the LDNR

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Russian passport as the last hope of the LDNR

Glory, Novorossia is independent!



It is not easy to explain under what flags the self-determined republics of Donbass live today. Formally, the LPR, adhering to the letter of the Minsk agreements, remains a part of Ukraine and is preparing to return to the canopy of Kiev with a "special status". Unofficially, the government is talking about the imminent reunification with Russia. And to that, it seems, is really going. At the same time, because of all these omissions and the more than cautious position of the republican authorities about the role of Russia in the events in the Donbass and the assistance thanks to which the republics survived and which they live on daily, it is not accepted to speak. As a result, part of the population has an annoying illusion of some kind of independence, the ability of the LPR to autonomously exist, and even significance as an independent political entity. What are at least tales of how Donetsk and Lugansk were ready in 2014 to tear the Armed Forces to shreds and liberate Kiev, but Russia stopped them!

When you do not know who gives money for social services, housing and communal services and various payments, every now and then plugs holes in the frail local budget, while trying to make sure that it is not pilfered locally, helps sell coal and metal and makes a lot of invisible, but very necessary things, it may really seem that everything happens by itself, and Russia only presses and imposes its will on the proud young republics, which, without the oppression of the Kremlin, would long ago have developed in full growth ... Seductive illusions, and, judging by the experience of Ukraine and Belarus, - fatal.

It is noteworthy that countless oppositionists (including the apologists of "truly people's, independent republics") are no less fruitless both in terms of concrete steps to improve the well-being of the LPR and overcoming the crisis, and in the ideological aspect. Plans for the future end with the massacre of enemies and the accession of the head of the LPR, DPR, or even LPR to the shaky throne. And certainly on Russian financial resources. Nobody knows how to survive without constant and active assistance from the Russian Federation.

Ideology in the past


Against the background of an ideological vacuum and a lack of new meanings (not only in the LPNR, but also in Russia, where they are still trying to measure the crisis in the Donbass with a yardstick, which was outdated back in 2015), it became completely unclear to many why and why the republics arose and where they are. are now. Which is not surprising: initially, the region rebelled against the dominance of Ukrainian nationalism, then, seduced by the example of Crimea, advocated joining the Russian Federation, but under pressure from above, this point was removed from the text of the referendum, limiting itself to the creation of people's republics. But what should these republics be like and according to what principles should they exist? There was no clarity then, and it is not now. Which is also not surprising, given how diverse the public was at the origins of the LPNR: communists, nationalists, monarchists, romantic reenactors, dreaming of a “Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic”, etc.

The idea of ​​creating Novorossiya lost its meaning after the suppression of protest movements in Kharkov and Odessa, and finally it was finished off by Girkin-Strelkov, who, with his famous "Kutuzov maneuver", surrendered to the enemy two-thirds of the territory of the former Lugansk and Donetsk regions. The announced nationalization was limited to small extractions and saws (against the background of the industry continuing to work for the Ukrainian owners and in the Ukrainian legal field) and was crowned with the bondage of external management of Vneshtorgservice CJSC. And the stillborn Minsk Agreements, the essence and meaning of which, without puffing up their cheeks and bad pathos, no one bothered to explain to the general public, caused confusion among many, which gradually grew into defeatism. But there were also Prilepin and Kazakov, who, having surrounded the naive Zakharchenko, cynically sent him either to take London, or to announce the creation of Little Russia.

All this leapfrog demoralizes the population and definitely plays into the hands of the opponents of the republics. But another moment is immeasurably worse: the lack of sensitive leadership from above and the complexity of the discourse led to the fact that the republican officials simply refused to show not only the initiative, but also the usual sanity on the ideological and information fronts, forgetting about all the "braces", except perhaps the feat of the Great World War II.

Achilles' heel


The LPNR authorities practically refused to openly support Orthodoxy, although the struggle against Ukrainian schismatics and Uniates was one of those motives that united and unites thousands of dissimilar people, people with completely different worldviews. The clergy practically do not appear next to the top officials of the republics, and are rarely shown on television. Legislatively in the self-determined republics there is a clear orientation towards Orthodoxy, all non-Abrahamic religious beliefs and movements are banned (or they create insurmountable difficulties when registering), but they seem to be afraid to talk about it out loud.

The LPNR refuses to honor the defenders of the republics in a shameful way. Moreover, we are talking not only about benefits and social security (currently almost absent), but also about much simpler things. There is a semi-official cult of famous field commanders - Givi, Motorola, etc., but not a word has been heard about today's heroes. The deceased do not receive civil funeral services and military honors, those awarded do not receive well-deserved glory. It seems that under the yoke of the Minsk agreements, Donetsk and Lugansk are ashamed of their defenders, preferring to cultivate myths about an all-powerful militia (in fairness, it should be noted that today there are thousands of former militias in the ranks of the people's militia).

The situation is similar with regard to working people: not only do metallurgists and miners receive pennies, and even then with delays, they are also deprived of at least nominal manifestations of respect, not counting the duty congratulations on the day of their professional holiday. Sometimes, in search of a plot, local television revives the training manuals of the times of the Central Committee of the CPSU and shoots a plot or two about hereditary miners or foremost metallurgists, but this looks, to put it mildly, not very believable and natural.

The republican authorities and the media are far from being specific and consistent in their attitude to Ukraine. Today they talk about neo-fascism and war criminals, tomorrow they ask the President of Ukraine Zelensky "to recognize the choice of Donbass" and send long heartfelt letters to the Ukrainian guarantor asking him to ensure compliance with the Minsk agreements and an armistice on the front lines.

Finding landmarks


Thank God, the local authorities have the courage to declare their commitment to the idea of ​​reunification with Russia and other things that are relatively safe, but still do not fit into the framework of the Minsk agreements. Otherwise, the course of the LPRP would become completely incomprehensible. And this is not surprising, because all the ideological work and activity in the field of information resistance to Ukrainian propaganda boils down to the fact that nationalists seized power in Ukraine, and now it is about to "collapse on its own," and meanwhile the republics are rapidly creeping into unprecedented prosperity, because that they remember the feat of their grandfathers in the Patriotic War and glorify Givi and Motorola. Of course, this is not enough even for a more or less intelligible speech, not to mention something more complex.

Unfortunately, Lugansk and Donetsk today are in a state in which if the local authorities decide to remove the Shevchenko monument from the city center, they will find themselves in difficulty: whose sculpture to put instead of this popular popular symbol of Ukrainian nationalism? The government is aware of this vacuum and from time to time they try to fill it with something, but here's the trouble: as a result, again and again, some constructs are obtained that are very popular with officials and absolutely indifferent to the population. Probably because they are made far from the twists and turns of the mining region.

Irreparable loss


Against the background of the absence of civil society as such and attempts to contribute to its creation (stillborn public chambers are not counted), given the lack of a coherent ideological platform, censorship, and the "complex nature" of the local media, forced to talk about either Ukraine's troubles or the victories of the republics, there is nothing surprising in the fact that many inhabitants of the LDNR prefer to keep in touch with Ukraine, work there, or even send their children to study at Ukrainian universities. And you can try to ignore these losses as much as you like, claiming that these are all "Crypto Bandera" and it is not a pity to lose them, but before hanging labels, it would be worth trying to offer people something more than an endless celebration of fictional achievements. Make sure that the republican passport is more than a pass to Russian citizenship.

So far, unfortunately, the Russian passport is the only really existing and valid seal in the LDNR. But it is in no way a merit of the local authorities, which were not even able to promptly convince their citizens to receive republican documents.

In general, as always, the only thing to hope for is Russia and its “Varangians”, that they will come and teach them how to live and what to believe. Because local thinkers are clearly not ready for such challenges.
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  1. Megatron
    Megatron 24 August 2020 15: 16 New
    +6
    They would not have torn it, but the front at the Ukrovs fell, if not for the shameful Minsk, at least Mariupol would have been charged and reached the administrative borders of the Republics.
    1. Yegor Makhov
      24 August 2020 16: 29 New
      -5
      Would Mariupol drink water from the sea?
      1. Megatron
        Megatron 24 August 2020 17: 19 New
        -1
        Well, that means they would have drawn the border along the Dnieper.
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent 24 August 2020 17: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Egor Makhov
        Would Mariupol drink water from the sea?

        I want to keep up appearances, and not be rude ... But what about you, Yegor, in a different way?

        You yourself, on whose "mill" do you pour the water?

        I have no water in Torez for two months after the shelling of the water conduit near Gorlovka, but somehow we survive ...

        And who said that in the situation when the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the national bats "fell down" after a series of stunning boilers, Mariupol would have ended?

        1. hydrox
          hydrox 25 August 2020 11: 50 New
          -2
          Well, well, we would go on the offensive, take the "home" lands, and even the head structures of the water intake - and then what?
          There is no constitution, no city and village Charters (there are no legal administrations either), Tax legislation (together with the Treasury, no, there is no budgeting (like the Law on the budget, import-export and relations with Russia and its neighbors, but certainly within the framework of a special status).
          By the way, where is the State Bank? There are no laws on land, property, forests, water, money circulation, there are no Codes of Laws (codes), there is no separation of branches of government - but what is there? Do you have the word "nationalization" in the lexicon? And the fact that in Russia 96% would like to return to socialism does not inspire you in any way to the fact that you SHOULD start doing something, and not whine into your waistcoat?
          There’s nothing, pure Petliurism!
          And what were the authorities of the LDNR doing all 6 post-Maidan years, why at least a draft of urgent events did not prepare?
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 25 August 2020 12: 03 New
            +2
            Quote: hydrox
            Well, well, we would go on the offensive, take the "home" lands, and even the head structures of the water intake - and then what?
            There is no constitution, no city and village Charters (there are no legal administrations either), Tax legislation (together with the Treasury, no, there is no budgeting (like the Law on the budget, import-export and relations with Russia and its neighbors, but certainly within the framework of a special status).
            By the way, where is the State Bank?

            laughing You, as a completely ignorant and essentially "stray", can simply object - And the Constitution of the DPR is yes https://dnrsovet.su/konstitutsiya/#tab-1863730113,и по "ГосБанку" есть что возразить конкретно - ЦРБ ДНР,не,не бачили и,не слышали о таком laughing



            And what is not, so over time will follow yes Do not hesitate yes
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 25 August 2020 13: 53 New
              -1
              Consider that you objected: and what does your Constitution say about the function of the State Bank as a money issuer - is there anything to say?
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 25 August 2020 17: 59 New
                -1
                Quote: hydrox
                what does your Constitution say about the function of the State Bank as a money issuer - is there anything to say?

                Of course there is, but this is somewhat not my competence profile ...
                It is better to ask for clarifications on financial and monetary policy here: https://cbr.ru/
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 26 August 2020 06: 05 New
                  +1
                  I guess about the profiles of all your competencies: they are very reminiscent of Lukashenka's - you ought to be more modest ...
                  1. hydrox
                    hydrox 26 August 2020 20: 05 New
                    -1
                    It's just lovely how the backbones minus my comment!
                    It's good in Russia’s bosom, especially since it’s sweet to make a nest in her pocket ...
                    Then you don't need to shout about sovereignty and self-sufficiency !!!
      3. gurzuf
        gurzuf 25 August 2020 19: 33 New
        -1
        Russia has built a MOST! Wouldn't I have supplied the desalination plants?
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 26 August 2020 06: 10 New
          +2
          Russia could supply desalination plants, build roads, and give everyone $ 300 a pension - only she herself would be left without pants and without GDP ...
          1. gurzuf
            gurzuf 26 August 2020 10: 33 New
            -1
            If you thought so like you, you would not return Crimea.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 26 August 2020 20: 10 New
              0
              If everyone thought like us, then we would have returned OUR Crimea (we cannot live without Sevastopol!), But we would not have done the world revolution "in Lenin's way" and do not forget what dreams of a world revolution and funding its Russian means (and the abduction of these!) Lev Trotsky received the same ice ax on the kumpol laughing .
              Therefore, what then, what today is dangerous to be a liberal, one must have a conscience and not rummage through other people's pockets in search of non-privatized property.
      4. bayard
        bayard 26 August 2020 05: 47 New
        0
        Quote: Egor Makhov
        Would Mariupol drink water from the sea?

        Well, Yegor, do you not know that the offensive in the southern direction was stopped by order? But by that time the head patrols of the militia were already in the Zaporozhye region.
        And the Minsk agreements happened for Russia almost by accident - for Russia.
        And even more so for the LDNR.
        After Poroshenko's night call to Lukashenko.
        In which he tearfully begged him to mediate in negotiations with Putin.
        Poroshenko was VERY scared.
        And Putin just shone in Minsk.
        ... and NOBODY asked Donbass for an agreement for those negotiations.
        ... And then there was the "winter war" ... and Minsk-2.
        And then ... the "pacifiers" of the Militia leaders appeared ...
        You know.
        And who put power in the LDNR.
        You know too.
        You know what agreements were there.
        And with whom .
        And you also know that the LDNR was left a hedgehog in the ass of Ukraine.
        And nothing else is prescribed or allowed to her.

        And in the photo my good friend is Benes Ayo.
        A real communist.
        Member of the Communist Party of England (yes, there is one, and he joined it while studying there).
        A real Russian man yes ... even though my dad is from Uganda.
        But my mother is Russian. yes
        And mom is the main thing in life. yes
        A very whole person.
        And the flag in his hands is CORRECT.
        Under banners of this color, Russian princes still went on campaigns.

        And do not blame the defenders of Donbass that "they have the wrong power" ...
        What they put, this is. no
        As the bourgeoisie agreed, this will be so. request
        Nobody consulted about this either with the people or with their defenders.

        And the People said their word at the Referendum.
        ... From the text of which at the last moment (at the insistence of Moscow \ read - Surkov) the question of reunification with Russia was excluded.
        Crimea was an example for everyone.
        Cheated?
        Cheated.
      5. Senka naughty
        Senka naughty 27 August 2020 02: 09 New
        -1
        Quote: Egor Makhov
        Would Mariupol drink water from the sea?

        And is this a miracle here and scribbling articles?
  2. Invoce
    Invoce 24 August 2020 15: 28 New
    -1
    The LPNR refuses to honor the defenders of the republics in a shameful way.

    I am certainly not an expert, but is it not because I do not expose those who fought on the front line before the SBU? what
    1. Postum
      Postum 24 August 2020 15: 43 New
      +2
      And so they are not known to them huh?
    2. URAL72
      URAL72 24 August 2020 15: 50 New
      +5
      Don't worry, we are already being drained at the brigade level
    3. Insurgent
      Insurgent 24 August 2020 16: 43 New
      +6
      The LPNR refuses to honor the defenders of the republics in a shameful way.


      Quote: Invoce
      I am certainly not an expert, but is it not because I do not expose those who fought on the front line before the SBU?

      In the city military registration and enlistment office in the town of Snezhnoe, where at one time I was drawing up a contract for the passage of service and undergoing a commission, fate brought me together with a guy who went through Slavyansk, was wounded, lost an arm ...
      Something he made out there related to the preferential admission of his daughter to the university.

      So, he directly, as they say, "head-on" pointed out to an employee of the GVK office, when she began to "download rights", that data about us appeared in Kiev earlier than in Novocherkassk ...

      I talked to the guy, he admonished me with words not to strive for the infantry, which, in his words: - "cannon fodder", but as a result laughing - "Here is the infantry, and the native company"

      And in general, what kind of celebration do we need?
  3. Dr. Frankenstucker
    Dr. Frankenstucker 24 August 2020 15: 53 New
    -3
    Unfortunately, Lugansk and Donetsk today are in a state in which if the local authorities decide to remove the Shevchenko monument from the city center, they will find themselves in difficulty: whose sculpture should be put instead of this popular popular symbol of Ukrainian nationalism?

    yes, this is really deplorable cretinism.
  4. Maks1995
    Maks1995 24 August 2020 15: 59 New
    +1
    "But it is in no way a merit of the local authorities, which were not even able to promptly convince their citizens to receive republican documents."

    “In general, as always, the only thing to hope for is Russia and its“ Varangians ”, that they will come and teach how to live and what to believe in. Because local thinkers are clearly not ready for such challenges.”

    That is, the locals do not believe in any cuts for a long time, the standard of living is lower than that of both neighbors, a mess, corruption, stagnation, and everything rests on newcomers "without insignia", who by force keep them from decay ???
  5. Avior
    Avior 24 August 2020 16: 19 New
    +4
    The main problem of the republics is not that there is no one to replace Shevchenko with, but the absence of a visible perspective.
    The hopes for the collapse of Ukraine obviously did not come true, and the possibilities of legalizing the republics in such a situation are very low.
    Industry requires investments, six years have passed, and no one will invest in a territory with an undefined status.
    And without industry, the current low standard of living of the population will fall even more.
    1. Fibrizio
      Fibrizio 24 August 2020 16: 44 New
      +1
      You don't understand anything. Capital is not needed here. You just need to nationalize everything and arrange an analogue of the USSR. Then coal mining and a sharp rise in production will immediately begin.
      It is true to whom they are going to sell all this in isolation and what kind of equipment they will buy - a mystery.
      They fulfilled their task. They distracted Ukraine from the Crimea, tying them up in hostilities. Now they are ballast for everyone.
      The only pity is the people in the status of hostages in this territory. Either drop everything and save yourself, or endure.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 24 August 2020 16: 48 New
      -3
      Quote: Avior
      The main problem of the republics is not that there is no one to replace Shevchenko with, but the absence of a visible perspective.

      Who said, that Outlook when overcoming the "bar" for the en-th number of Russians in the DPR and LPR, will it quietly and not noticeably become a passed stage?
      1. Avior
        Avior 24 August 2020 16: 55 New
        +4
        And what will it change?
        If the problem was only in this, automatically all citizenship would be given as in the Crimea.
        This will not change the status of the republics, and money will not go to industry from this anyway.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 24 August 2020 17: 07 New
          -3
          Quote: Avior
          And what will it change?
          If the problem were only in this, they would automatically give all citizenship as in the Crimea. The status of the republics will not change, and money will not go to industry from this anyway.

          This action is not a fiction, but a procedure for the transfer of the DPR and LPR under the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation, calculated for a certain period of time. With all that it implies.

          Crimea - Crimea, it had a different legal status in the Outskirts, there were Russian troops, and we, a different matter, so straightforwardly, "just like with a peninsula, nothing comes out. But nothing, we will tolerate. How much is needed.
          1. Avior
            Avior 24 August 2020 17: 30 New
            +4
            So you can endure that the once richest region will turn into ruins, everyone will disperse, with a Russian passport it is easy.
            Nobody will invest until there is an unambiguous generally recognized status of Donbass.
            Factories cannot work indefinitely without investments, on old investments.
            Factories will not work, people will leave, only state employees and pensioners will remain.
            And how much it will cost Russia is hard to imagine. Both direct and indirect losses.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 24 August 2020 17: 41 New
              -2
              Quote: Avior
              So you can endure that the once richest region will turn into ruins, everyone will disperse, with a Russian passport it is easy.

              It would be difficult to dispute your assessment if it were not for the fact that it is based on a very vague idea of ​​the processes in the republics, aggravated by the information chernukha from such authors and similar assessments from the outskirts.
              Yes, not a fountain, but we live.

              How to describe the situation, in short what to make it clear ...

              - Just imagine that we are back in the 90s ... But in them we learned to survive. Then we survived, and now we will yes
              1. Avior
                Avior 24 August 2020 23: 59 New
                0
                It would be difficult to dispute your assessment if it were not for the fact that it is based on a very vague idea of ​​the processes in the republics, aggravated by the information chernukha from such authors and similar assessments from the outskirts.
                Yes, not a fountain, but we live.

                Your writing is difficult, which is difficult to understand. Except for the last phrase.
                From which it can be understood that you are not challenging.
                The problem is not what level is now - although, to be honest, 6 years have passed and conclusions could already be drawn, the main problem is that there is no prospect.
                So far, everything rests on help from Russia and the remnants of the industry still working, but if you don't invest in it, then its ruin is a matter of time.
                hi
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 25 August 2020 11: 01 New
                  0
                  Quote: Avior
                  So far, everything rests on help from Russia and the remnants of the industry still working, but if you don't invest in it, then its ruin is a matter of time.

                  But you know the phrase: - "Time heals"?
                  Time works for US, and VICTORY WILL BE OURS.

                  Further, to discuss, things are obvious, I just do not want ...
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 25 August 2020 14: 10 New
                    +3
                    The problem is that everything is strictly the opposite - time works against.
                    Industry without modernization and investment is gradually losing its potential
                    1. bayard
                      bayard 26 August 2020 06: 18 New
                      -1
                      What kind of industry are you talking about in the frontline zone? Here, the entire territory is under fire with long-range artillery up to the border with Russia.
                      Who will invest here?
                      And what kind of industrial cooperation can be organized in this situation?
                      All political and economic processes in this area are FROZEN.
                      According to the Kremlin thinkers, the status of the LDNR is to be a hedgehog in the ass of Ukraine.
                      So the bourgeois agreed.
                      Capitalism. request
                      We have a seventh year of war.
                      And in war the main thing is patience.
                      The hysterics fled long ago.
            2. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 24 August 2020 17: 51 New
              0
              And weren't there cries of "enough to feed Kiev"? I remember on TV these demonstrations, flags, posters ...
              Now they do not feed, but prosperity is not noticeable either.
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 24 August 2020 18: 07 New
                -5
                Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                And weren't there cries of "enough to feed Kiev"? I remember on TV these demonstrations, flags, posters ...
                Now they do not feed, but prosperity is not noticeable either.

                And now we do not want to feed the Bandera raguli.

                But they, seeing in us only a feeding trough, clung to the territory so that no even the most terrible crimes stop them ...

                Do you remember this, sufferer all over the outskirts? Translation and clarification needed?



                1. The leader of the Redskins
                  The leader of the Redskins 24 August 2020 18: 12 New
                  -2
                  Memorable. And I also remember the stripes "I will shave after victory" ... Also in Ukrainian. A lot of things were in response to questions from the media.
                  Again, anger and hatred will not go far. And on inciting such, even more so.
                  If, according to the Minsk scenario, they are pushed back to Ukraine, where will you run?
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 24 August 2020 18: 16 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                    If, according to the Minsk scenario, they are pushed back to Ukraine, where will you run?

                    Do not write nonsense, passing off the Ukropov Wishlist (or yours?) For a really ongoing process.

                    I see certification in the DPR as a real procedure for rapprochement (a prospective entry into the Russian Federation), movements towards the Outskirts - request no -I do not see.

                    What do you see?

                    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                    I remember the stripes "I will shave after the victory" ...



                    What's wrong with the Victory over Bandera-Nazism?
                    1. The leader of the Redskins
                      The leader of the Redskins 24 August 2020 18: 36 New
                      -4
                      So you won already ... You have forgotten at times. Nazis - in 1945, Bandera somewhere in 1954 ...
                      And there has never been slaveholding in these territories!
                      Or can you imagine a photo of a "distribution of slaves" point anywhere in Slavyansk, Mariupol?
                      1. Insurgent
                        Insurgent 24 August 2020 18: 45 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                        And there has never been slaveholding in these territories!
                        Or can you imagine a photo of a "distribution of slaves" point anywhere in Slavyansk, Mariupol?

                        And "visvoliteli", sho, did they reach the cordon? And can they act as they like, without fearfully looking back at Russia's reaction?
                        Now, if the Russian bear hadn't barked a couple of times in 2014-15, there would have been slaves and genocide ...

                        And in Marika, the mention of the terrible place of the airport is enough to eliminate all questions. from normal people, without the syndrome of adaptive-Ragul thinking.
                        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                        So you won already ... You have forgotten at times. Nazis - in 1945, Bandera somewhere in 1954 ...


                        Revenge...

                      2. The leader of the Redskins
                        The leader of the Redskins 24 August 2020 18: 50 New
                        -2
                        It's not me, it's you who live by slogans! Yes, and perverted. Okay, God bless you. Do not write anymore. I got tired of useless communication and started watching a good movie.
                      3. Insurgent
                        Insurgent 24 August 2020 18: 55 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                        Do not write anymore. I got tired of useless communication and started watching a good movie.



                        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                        And weren't there cries of "enough to feed Kiev"? I remember on TV these demonstrations, flags, posters ...
                        Now they do not feed, but prosperity is not noticeable either.


                        Interesting business yes laughing , obvious dill lol He himself got involved in polemics when communication took place with a completely different person, and he himself "tired" wassat
                      4. The leader of the Redskins
                        The leader of the Redskins 24 August 2020 20: 06 New
                        -1
                        So I'm tired of useless communication with YOU. From others, at least a rational grain can be gleaned, but you are like that dark-skinned boy with a flag on the headband. Except for chants - nothing no
                      5. bayard
                        bayard 26 August 2020 06: 26 New
                        -2
                        This boy fought with you for several years.
                        Including artillery.
                      6. The leader of the Redskins
                        The leader of the Redskins 26 August 2020 06: 42 New
                        -1
                        I do not know about battles of any kind (especially with the use of artillery) in the MOSCOW REGION since 1941.
                      7. bayard
                        bayard 26 August 2020 07: 24 New
                        -3
                        Well, then with your ideological brothers.
                        This "boy" also took part in the Crimean Spring.
                        And in Anti-Maidan in Kiev.
                        I came from Riga.
                        And he's a communist, a member of the British Communist Party. I entered when I was studying there.
                        And in the past - a member of the Russian movement in Latvia (he lived there, his mother lives there).
                        And his mother is Russian.
                        And dad is from Uganda.
                        This is a good friend of mine.
  • Postum
    Postum 24 August 2020 23: 18 New
    -4
    Considering how much money was spent on the LDNR and how much more will be, it was much easier, safer and cheaper to launch a program for the resettlement of the entire Russian population of Ukraine with the provision of housing one-to-one or according to the norms of footage per person, for example, in the Far East or in the Non-Black Earth Region. where there are no people at all
    1. bayard
      bayard 26 August 2020 06: 28 New
      -1
      Quote: Postum
      Considering how much money was spent on the LDNR and how much more will be, it was much easier, safer and cheaper to launch a program for the resettlement of the entire Russian population of Ukraine with the provision of housing one-to-one or according to the norms of footage per person, for example, in the Far East or in the Non-Black Earth Region. where there are no people at all

      Dima, are you delusional?
      1. Postum
        Postum 26 August 2020 07: 25 New
        0
        What is nonsense? In the same that the Russian Federation spends up to 150 billion rubles a year on Donbass?
        1. bayard
          bayard 26 August 2020 07: 53 New
          -4
          They would have taken the whole of Ukraine in 2014.
          Or to the Dnieper.
          Yes, even within the boundaries of the two regions where the referendums were held - and would not have worries and costs.
          Quote: Postum
          What is the nonsense?

          "Why are you, king's face, squandering the state lands ?!"
          Our people are shedding blood for their LAND for the seventh year.
          For us, Russia (not RF) is HERE.
          And in Kharkov!
          And in Zaporozhye!
          And in Kiev - for the MOTHER OF RUSSIAN CITIES.

          And 150 billion is a payment for YOUR indecision.
          And for the fact that Donbass distracted Ukrainian troops from Crimea.
          At the cost of the lives of their men, women, children and old people.
          Have you ever seen injured children?
          Shards?
          Without handles?
          No legs?
          And what about the dead old veterans who survived the previous war?
          And the crippled women?

          So what kind of resettlement are you talking about, defeatist?
          Do you not like "our" power, which you have given us?
          So change yours, choose men with titanium testicles who CAN.
          You look, then it will cheer up with us.

          ... Or maybe you will decide to resettle the people from the Far East?

          RUSSIA is WE!
          And Our Earth is SACRED.
          It is watered with our blood.
          1. Postum
            Postum 26 August 2020 09: 06 New
            0
            And for living Ukrainians, Kiev and Kharkov and Odessa are not their own land, why should they share it with you?
            1. bayard
              bayard 26 August 2020 10: 06 New
              -5
              Quote: Postum
              And for living Ukrainians

              There is no such people.
              This is a fake, a cruel joke of Austria-Hungary.
              Or is it what you call the Russian people living in the border area?
              UkrAina is the Outskirts.
              There were many such Ukrainians in Russia, and the Khabarovsk Territory was such a Ukrainian.
              Quote: Postum
              And for living Ukrainians, Kiev and Kharkov and Odessa are not their own land

              If you christened some foreigners with this name - Poles, Jews, Martians, then they have absolutely nothing to share - they are guests.
              Perhaps the UNNOUNCED.
              I do not know your citizenship and nationality, but it looks like you are also a guest.
              Here in Russia .
              And being a guest, counting the owners' money ... no ... very bad.
              Quote: Postum
              150 billion rubles a year

              Where we want, we spend there.

              And it's TIME AND HONOR TO KNOW for the guests.
            2. Postum
              Postum 26 August 2020 11: 25 New
              +1
              It is precisely because of such idiots depriving subjectivity that the Ukrainians, that the Belarusians, they do not want to join the "taiga" union. You are directly gushing chauvinism and empire, I remember in the thirties of the twentieth century, some also wanted to return their land, considering others as Untermensch.
              And I wonder how, by the way, did you take upon yourself the right to decide who is "guest" and who is not "guest"
  • Dr. Frankenstucker
    Dr. Frankenstucker 24 August 2020 19: 32 New
    -5
    Quote: Insurgent
    procedure for the transfer of the DPR and LPR under the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation. With all that it implies.

    and what is this "flowing", may I ask?
    What is the RF profit from this "transition"?
    1. bayard
      bayard 26 August 2020 06: 34 New
      -3
      If you are talking about the Russian Federation, the territory of which is the sea shelf lol (we read the Constitution of the Russian Federation and laugh), then for sure - none.
      And if it's about Russia, then THIS is the reunification of territories and people.
      And believe me, there will be PROFIT - after all, Donbass is the industrial heart of Russia.
      And the land is fertile.
      And the bowels are rich.
      Especially within its legal, historical boundaries.
      On which the referendum was held long ago.
  • Megatron
    Megatron 24 August 2020 17: 17 New
    +3
    Of course, they did not justify themselves if Volodya supports her, supplies the fuel with which they fill these tanks, electricity, coal. Ukro-goods are lying on our shelves without return, and from all the irons it sounds: we need a single, stable Ukraine ...
  • Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 25 August 2020 19: 44 New
    0
    The word "fall" is too late. Very.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 24 August 2020 16: 24 New
    +3
    This flag in the picture scares our oligarchs. After all, there is no way around it. There are sanctions and all that. And who is against. Yes for God's sake. We will accept everyone.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 24 August 2020 16: 53 New
    +5
    I will say about my relatives from Donetsk and Lugansk ... my uncles, aunts, my nephews live there ... they are STRONGLY offended by Russia ... that they are second-class people ... in THEIR understanding, they are like Crimeans ... that THEY are FOR Russia !!! and Russia to them ... if not a beloved stepmother ... that they did not do something different from the Crimea? ... and Why is Crimea now a part of the Russian Federation, and they ... and they are practically no one and there is no way to call them ... why are they worse?
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 25 August 2020 19: 47 New
      +1
      And to each other LPR <> DPR not to get. There is no way to help the old people. Even through the RF. And in the Russian Federation you can. Well, the kindergarten in government agencies rules. Or I don’t know something.
  • RoTTor
    RoTTor 24 August 2020 16: 55 New
    +3
    A sneaky little article.
    Obvious order from Western owners
    1. Kefir
      Kefir 24 August 2020 17: 35 New
      -2
      Quote: RoTTor
      A sneaky little article.
      Obvious order from Western owners

      Sechas such a lot will go again, as well as about Belarus ... Waiting!
    2. Terrible
      Terrible GMO 25 August 2020 00: 34 New
      -1
      Quote: RoTTor
      A sneaky little article.
      Obvious order from Western owners

      Donbass was used and abandoned, and now nobody needs it. Neither Ukraine, from which it was torn off, nor Russia, which used it for its own purposes, and now abandoned, nor the inhabitants themselves who remained to exist on the ruins.
      Zakazuha from the west
      1. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 25 August 2020 19: 48 New
        0
        But "two" votes in the future in the UN are guaranteed.
    3. Vladimir Kiev
      Vladimir Kiev 25 August 2020 07: 10 New
      +4
      And that essence is weak to argue? Or just a label to hang a mogem?
      And the article is true: LDNR is a gray zone that is gradually turning into a black hole.
      1. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 25 August 2020 19: 49 New
        0
        The word "turns" is too late. Nobody will invest in a deny it is not clear where.
  • Lumpen
    Lumpen 24 August 2020 17: 20 New
    +7
    By and large, nobody needs the LDNR, they have already completed their task so that they do not sound from the high stands
    1. Vladimir Kiev
      Vladimir Kiev 25 August 2020 07: 12 New
      -1
      Not quite so - the LDNR is still fulfilling its task. That is why it is supported.
  • Kefir
    Kefir 24 August 2020 17: 30 New
    0
    Where is the Sith Lord? He wrote interesting comments, without embellishment, only facts and observations .. Really .. negative
    1. rich
      rich 24 August 2020 20: 56 New
      +1
      God with you stop
      Sergei still regularly posts operational reports. But not on the forum, but in PM He posted the extreme summary on this Sunday. If you need to contact him, write to him about it. And then how he decides.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 24 August 2020 17: 56 New
    0
    The announced nationalization was limited to small extractions and saws (against the background of the industry continuing to work for the Ukrainian owners and in the Ukrainian legal field) and was crowned with the bondage of external management of Vneshtorgservice CJSC.
    ... This suits Ukraine quite well ... And the Ukrainian business, the Russian oligarchs will not buy back ... They have businessmen, everything is honest ... smile Russian citizens, in the LDNR, work for Ukrainian business ... much better .. smile
  • German Titov
    German Titov 24 August 2020 21: 43 New
    +2
    Reading "egorkin" articles you get used to define "stink" by the author, not even by color.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 25 August 2020 08: 56 New
    +3
    The matter is of course older, but those who were destroying the USSR in Belovezhskaya Pushcha should have been imprisoned right then. For life. And most correctly on the count.
    And those who did not stop this, although the preservation of the country's territorial integrity was part of his immediate duties as president, too.
    Of course, Yeltsin and Shushkevich are no longer available, but Kravchuk and Gorbachev are still alive.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 25 August 2020 19: 50 New
      +1
      And the stake can always be found.
  • U-58
    U-58 25 August 2020 09: 42 New
    -2
    The author quite diplomatically denounces the Ukrainian inaction of the LPNR, which has become almost traditional again.
    That is, we, our Russian brothers, are with you and are ready for whatever you suggest. Suggest and do. For us and instead of us.
    And do not forget to do this and that instead of us.
    And we will greet your tanks with flowers ...
    This is such a social and political parasitism
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 25 August 2020 09: 49 New
      +2
      And everyone who himself could think was killed like Zakharchenko.
      1. Harry cuper
        Harry cuper 28 August 2020 21: 37 New
        0
        Sasha, when he thought himself, was the only system of the CHGS. And then at the most primitive level. Thinking there somehow was not visible
  • Bat039
    Bat039 25 August 2020 21: 31 New
    0
    Donbass must be returned to Russia, stop listening to the non-Russians who have come to Russia in large numbers, whose return of Russian lands to Russia causes heartburn !!!
  • klara
    klara 27 August 2020 20: 08 New
    +1
    everything is very difficult. But not hopeless. When it becomes completely unbearable, and there is no hope, life will begin to improve. in the end, everything depends on the Kremlin.
  • Harry cuper
    Harry cuper 28 August 2020 21: 28 New
    0
    A person needs some kind of document. Not a piece of paper from the toilet, but a document
  • Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 4 September 2020 21: 20 New
    0
    In general, as always, the only thing to hope for is Russia and its “Varangians”, that they will come and teach them how to live and what to believe. Because local thinkers are clearly not ready for such challenges.
    So big, but you believe in fairy tales!
    They won't come. Because they are already here. And they will not teach. Because they themselves do not know how. Of those, a sufficient number of "Varangians" who could teach something, I saw only one worthy of respect. Unfortunately, his "vacation" ended and he went back. Most of the "Varangians", in general, in principle, do not understand what kind of "fairy tale" they have got into, and therefore prefers to quietly sit out their "vacation" and get off on quiet sadness.
    As a result, part of the population has an annoying illusion of some kind of independence,
    there are no illusions. There is a strong belief that the LDNR is being kicked back into the ukraine with kicks, trying to snatch "at least a tuft of wool from the nasty sheep." For example, milk the demographic resource, mineral resources, production. And then return the "territory" to the Ukraine. The most cynical thing is that this option will suit both sides - both Ukraine (the return of territories without a pro-Russian electorate is a double peremogue) and Russia (the growth of demographics, etc.). The opinion of the remnants of the population of the Luhansk-Donetsk region, as usual, no one will ask.
  • ustal1951
    ustal1951 12 September 2020 13: 09 New
    0
    Thanks to people like Yegor Makhov, Voennoye Obozreniye becomes a military exacerbation or aggravation, it is clear why ...