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SBU denies involvement in attempted kidnapping of one of the Donbass militia leaders

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The Security Service of Ukraine does not engage in special operations abroad. Thus, the special service denies any involvement in the attempt to capture the militia leaders in the Russian capital, prevented by the Federal Security Service.


This is how the press secretary of the SBU Olena Gitlyanskaya answered the questions of Ukrainian journalists during a press conference.

She advised media workers to contact the General Intelligence Directorate (GUR). When she was asked to comment on the FSB's information about the involvement of SBU officers in the special operation on Russian territory, she replied that Russian law enforcement officers did not say anything about the SBU, but only mentioned a certain Ukrainian special service.

Gitlyanskaya referred to the Law of Ukraine "On the Security Service", which states that it is engaged in ensuring the internal security of the country. She noted that external operations are in the competence of completely different organizations. In addition, the head of the SBU press service added that there are no active employees of this special service among the persons detained in Moscow.


On July 30, in the Moscow region, the suspects lured one of the leaders of the Donbass militia into a car under the pretext of buying real estate. Although he received an electric shock, he managed to escape and escape. Later, as a result of a special operation, the FSB managed to identify and detain seven people who were acting in the interests of the Ukrainian special services on the territory of Russia.
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  1. stylet
    stylet 20 August 2020 16: 55 New
    12
    I am not me and the horse is not mine
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 20 August 2020 17: 06 New
      22
      SBU denies involvement in attempted kidnapping of one of the Donbass militia leaders

      Quote: stylet
      I am not me and the horse is not mine


      For such activities of the special services of "square" on the territory of Russia there is already a proposal to answer with "Calibers" at the center of special operations on Rybalsky Island in Kiev, having previously notified about the strike, and given 3 hours for evacuation.

      1. kutuz
        kutuz 22 August 2020 07: 12 New
        -2
        Delusional thoughts of the sofa general.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 August 2020 17: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: stylet

      +2
      I am not me and the horse is not mine

      But my snout is not in fluff, but in sheep's wool.
  2. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 20 August 2020 16: 56 New
    +6
    Lads lured the ruin with Russia?
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 20 August 2020 17: 27 New
      +5
      Quote: Trapp1st
      Lads lured the ruin with Russia?


      Specifically beguiled yes , literally out of bounds ...
    2. Clear
      Clear 20 August 2020 22: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: Trapp1st
      Lads lured the ruin with Russia?

      And plump lads, as for slaughter.
  3. bar
    bar 20 August 2020 16: 58 New
    11
    the secret service denies any involvement in the attempted capture of militia leaders in the Russian capital

    Should have confessed? W that would be really amazing laughing
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 20 August 2020 17: 08 New
      +2
      And should have confessed?
      Well, it is quite possible that this septet will sing right now. You just need to pinch well for a good falsetto.
  4. Quadro
    Quadro 20 August 2020 17: 12 New
    +6
    The Security Service of Ukraine does not engage in special operations abroad

    What are you talking about? They regularly catch terrorists and saboteurs from the SBU. And also traitors who were sold by the SBU (CIA). They just believed it. Believing ukram is like considering a prostitute a nun.
  5. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 20 August 2020 17: 16 New
    +3
    I have noticed the activity of the SBU in Russia.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 20 August 2020 17: 25 New
      +8
      Quote: Pessimist22
      I have noticed the activity of the SBU in Russia.


      Specifically, in this case, this is the 4th department of the SBU, which deals with special operations abroad by recruiting criminals in the country in which the action is taking place.
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 20 August 2020 17: 54 New
        -6
        Someone clearly watched the daytime issue of "Russia-1")))) Just now I came home, decided to take a look.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 20 August 2020 18: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: RUnnm
          Someone clearly watched the daytime issue of "Russia-1"

          My sources of information are somewhat broader, and are not limited only to data from the official media.
          In this case, it is more extensive monitoring.
          1. RUnnm
            RUnnm 20 August 2020 18: 33 New
            +3
            Just write word for word like the channel just said. And this is not a complaint. The more sources of information available, the better. A variety of sources.
            1. K-612-O
              K-612-O 20 August 2020 18: 58 New
              +1
              Here is the text voiced back at 9.30 am CSO

              ⚡ Seven people were detained by FSB officers during an attempt to kidnap one of the leaders of the Donbass militia on the territory of the Russian Federation and take him to Ukraine.

              As a result of the special operation, an unlawful action by the special services of Ukraine on the abduction on the territory of Russia and forcible transfer to Ukraine of a citizen of the Russian Federation, one of the leaders of the Donbass militia, who took an active part in hostilities against the Armed Forces of Ukraine, was discovered and suppressed.

              During the abduction attempt, Russian citizens were detained - T. Makarov, M. Mishchenko, O. Kapkaeva, A. Kormich, M. Pyzin, E. Moroz, V. Dolgov.

              The organizers and coordinators of the abduction were the citizens of Ukraine, Andriy Baidala and Igor Mishchenko.

              Baidala is known to the security and competent authorities of the DPR as a freelance employee of the SBU and the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, as well as a confidant of the 5th Directorate of the SBU Counterintelligence Department under the pseudonym "Shved".

              In the DPR, Baidala is involved in a number of criminal cases as the organizer of the committed and prevented terrorist attacks in Donetsk, including the murder of Alexander Zakharchenko.

              Baydal and Mishchenko were taken even earlier in the Moscow region.
              1. Titus_2
                Titus_2 21 August 2020 11: 34 New
                +1
                Well, it is logical to transfer Andrei Baidal and Igor Mishchenko to the DNR .... let them decide what to do there, but with the Russians it is necessary to the fullest extent of the law.
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  6. Stanislav Makarov
    Stanislav Makarov 20 August 2020 17: 18 New
    0
    It is necessary to bomb
  7. Lumpen
    Lumpen 20 August 2020 17: 21 New
    -6
    Operations abroad are handled by the GUR MO of Ukraine and the NWR of Ukraine
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 20 August 2020 17: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: Lumpen
      Operations abroad are handled by the GUR MO of Ukraine and the NWR of Ukraine

      Read the comments and share the activities of the 4th department of the SBU and the structures you listed.
      1. Lumpen
        Lumpen 20 August 2020 17: 53 New
        -16 qualifying.
        By law, the services I have listed are entitled to conduct operations abroad.
        The "K" department has always dealt with the fight against organized crime groups, for which it was created at one time.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 20 August 2020 18: 22 New
          +6
          Quote: Lumpen
          By law, the services I have listed are entitled to conduct operations abroad.

          Quit already rubbing about the legality on the outskirts. You have no laws, one wolf's right.

          Army, have you legally thrown to clean up Donbass?

          Your prosecutor's office gave a conclusion, back in 2019, that it is illegal ...

          The Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine recognized the illegality of the ATO in Donbass
          29.05.2019

          Experts of the General Prosecutor's Office of Ukraine came to the conclusion that the post-Maidan authorities in Kiev illegally used the country's Armed Forces against the population of Donbass. In connection with the newly discovered circumstances, it was established that every soldier of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who took part in the conflict automatically falls under the tribunal. This was stated at a press conference in Kiev by human rights activist Oleg Zhivotov, who represents the interests of the former chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Vladimir Zamana.
          1. K-612-O
            K-612-O 20 August 2020 18: 55 New
            +5
            Do not enter into polemics with the stubborn Sumerian. Take care of your nerves.
            1. Lumpen
              Lumpen 20 August 2020 19: 21 New
              -13 qualifying.
              Stamps, nothing new! Are you a great-power chauvinist or one of those who, if something "go straight to heaven", to the Hurias?
          2. Lumpen
            Lumpen 20 August 2020 19: 00 New
            -16 qualifying.
            Qualify the capture of Slavyansk by a group of a citizen of the Russian Federation Strelkov-Girkin according to the laws of Ukraine ?!
            1. orionvitt
              orionvitt 20 August 2020 19: 44 New
              +7
              Quote: Lumpen
              Qualify the capture of Slavyansk by a group of a citizen of the Russian Federation Strelkov-Girkin according to the laws of Ukraine ?!

              Strelkov-Girkin, did not capture Slavyansk was not going to annex it to Russia. In a single city, he organized local resistance against illegal armed coup and illegal seizure of power in Ukraine. With all the threefold attitude towards him, he just acted according to the laws of Ukraine.
              1. Lumpen
                Lumpen 20 August 2020 19: 55 New
                -12 qualifying.
                A foreign citizen with an armed group of persons under the laws of Ukraine?
                You yourself are not funny?
                1. Clear
                  Clear 20 August 2020 22: 21 New
                  +9
                  Quote: Lumpen
                  A foreign citizen with an armed group of persons under the laws of Ukraine?
                  You yourself are not funny?

                  And you staged an armed coup under the laws of Ukraine?
                  According to the law, did you attract foreign snipers to kill your citizens on the Maidan?
                  According to the laws of the "friendship trains" were they going to kill the Crimeans?
                  By law, you bombed children and women with aircraft? ...
                  All of you are already outside the law.
                  1. Lumpen
                    Lumpen 20 August 2020 23: 04 New
                    -9
                    The question was rhetorical.
                    Personally, I was against all Maidans and I think that the government should be changed by voting in elections.
                2. Quadro
                  Quadro 20 August 2020 22: 22 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Lumpen
                  A foreign citizen with an armed group of persons under the laws of Ukraine?
                  You yourself are not funny?

                  Well, you take foreigners to kill Russians for money.
                  1. Lumpen
                    Lumpen 20 August 2020 23: 15 New
                    -9
                    And yours, like Porechenkov, shot for free. Or remind me who sponsored Girkin? And your PMCs and a limited contingent out of love for art in the "south help"
                    1. CSKA
                      CSKA 21 August 2020 10: 33 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Lumpen
                      And yours, like Porechenkov, shot for free.

                      Don't start a clowning already. Porechenkov, like Kobzon and Okhlobystin, came to the DPR on their own initiative. Nobody paid them for it. If the Russian Federation paid for it, then it would be possible to bring a hundred stars there.
                      Quote: Lumpen
                      Or remind me who sponsored Girkin?

                      So can you remind me? And at the same time, will you provide evidence? As a person who served in the Slavic brigade, it will be very interesting for me who sponsored us.
                      Quote: Lumpen
                      And your PMCs and a limited contingent for the love of art in the "south help"

                      )))) Proofs in the studio. While this is your idle chatter.
                      1. Lumpen
                        Lumpen 21 August 2020 18: 43 New
                        0
                        Once again, from an interview with Girkin Gordon, sponsor Malofeev
                      2. CSKA
                        CSKA 22 August 2020 10: 15 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Lumpen
                        Once again, from an interview with Girkin Gordon, sponsor Malofeev

                        What Shooters is chatting now is not important. He said a lot of things both then and now.
              2. CSKA
                CSKA 21 August 2020 10: 29 New
                +1
                Quote: Lumpen
                A foreign citizen with an armed group of persons under the laws of Ukraine?
                You yourself are not funny?

                I am personally funny with you. And according to what laws in the winter of 2014 the masked crowd seized police stations and weapons in the western regions? Accordingly, what laws of ukraine did the crowd in Kiev seize state institutions? Accordingly, what laws was the legally elected president removed?
                1. Lumpen
                  Lumpen 21 August 2020 18: 45 New
                  0
                  I agree with you on this, but the question remains open
          3. 72jora72
            72jora72 20 August 2020 22: 04 New
            +6
            Qualify the capture of Slavyansk by a group of a citizen of the Russian Federation Strelkov-Girkin according to the laws of Ukraine ?!

            Strelkov-Girkin, did not capture Slavyansk and did not intend to annex it to Russia. In a single city, he organized local resistance, against an illegal armed coup and illegal seizure of power in Ukraine
            First, Shooters SlаViansk did not capture, and secondly, in SlаVianske at that time already had a militia (about 1200 bayonets) led by the people's mayor Ponomarev.
            1. Lumpen
              Lumpen 20 August 2020 23: 18 New
              -8
              Have you watched Girkin's interview with Gordon?
              I am careful.
              1. 72jora72
                72jora72 21 August 2020 09: 42 New
                0
                Have you watched Girkin's interview with Gordon?
                I am careful.
                Strelkov is not interesting to me, especially now when he started to study myth-making, I start from what I saw myself in 14-15 years.
    2. Lumpen
      Lumpen 20 August 2020 18: 24 New
      -12 qualifying.
      Is there any evidence? I can say that Shin-Bet was involved in this case
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 20 August 2020 18: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: Lumpen
        Is there any evidence?

        Operational video of the FSB and the testimony of the detainees. Enough?

        Here and there, a little time, and you yourself will admit when it becomes clear that you will not get out ...
        1. Lumpen
          Lumpen 20 August 2020 18: 40 New
          -8
          The usual gangster showdown, and you can recruit under a false flag.
          I was especially impressed by the phrase: -Baydala is a freelance employee of the SBU and the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.
          What about Zadornov: I was born on the instructions of American intelligence! laughing
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 20 August 2020 18: 42 New
            +1
            Quote: Lumpen
            The usual gangster showdown, and you can recruit under a false flag.

            Ka-a-a-neshnA, with the transfer of the captured to the territory of U "under a false flag" yes Dismiss yourself to the last ... Fine ukraine ...
            1. Lumpen
              Lumpen 20 August 2020 18: 46 New
              -9
              Here's another test phrase: - Baidala, detained in Ukraine, remotely carried out direct personal leadership of both groups in real time. laughing
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 20 August 2020 18: 59 New
                +5
                [quote = Lumpen] Here's another test phrase: - Baidala, detained in Ukraine, remotely carried out direct personal leadership of both groups in real time. laughing[/ quot your ESSbu always acted in the most vile ways ... The vilest structure in the vilest country, under the vilest external leadership of the United States. ukraine Soap .....
                1. Lumpen
                  Lumpen 20 August 2020 19: 12 New
                  -7
                  Calm down, continue to live in "rainbow" dreams!
                  1. Clear
                    Clear 20 August 2020 22: 34 New
                    +7
                    Quote: Lumpen
                    Calm down, continue to live in "rainbow" dreams!

                    Rainbow dreams, you got it after Nuland cookies.
                    1. Lumpen
                      Lumpen 20 August 2020 22: 59 New
                      -8
                      How sad it is!
                      И
                      Can you do without stamps and cliches?
                    2. Clear
                      Clear 20 August 2020 23: 09 New
                      +7
                      Quote: Lumpen
                      How sad it is!
                      И
                      Can you do without stamps and cliches?

                      Well, kAA Of course, I will burden myself with erudition and intellectual exercises at your banality. Right now.
                2. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 20 August 2020 23: 50 New
                  +5
                  Lumpen, he is a plebs - a rabble living on handouts of those in power .. In Russian speaking, beggars, running errands ...
                  1. Lumpen
                    Lumpen 21 August 2020 06: 30 New
                    -4
                    Well?
                    What patrician you will be, my friend?
                  2. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis 21 August 2020 06: 31 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Lumpen
                    Well?
                    What patrician you will be, my friend?

                    Of the free I eat my own bread.
                  3. Lumpen
                    Lumpen 21 August 2020 06: 49 New
                    -3
                    Something does not look like that of the free!
                    Your own bread is also different, for example, as a handout from the master's table!
                  4. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis 21 August 2020 08: 05 New
                    0
                    Don't judge others based on your experience ... .Lumpen experience ..
                  5. Lumpen
                    Lumpen 21 August 2020 08: 20 New
                    -1
                    I get my own bread myself, without falling to the "trough".
                    I don’t blame you either.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 20 August 2020 17: 35 New
    0
    The investigation will figure it out ...
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 20 August 2020 17: 35 New
    +3
    The Security Service of Ukraine does not engage in special operations abroad.

    Well, everyone heard this from the published recording of the conversation between Biden and Poroshenko, where the owner of Gunpowder had wherever he could.
  • itis
    itis 20 August 2020 17: 40 New
    -1
    the robot was confused, but on August 16, a request went from V. Rada to the SBU about at least unobtrusive control of biological (you read Wells ') laboratories on a sovereign territory. August 15, Butusov issued, to the mountain', a version about in (n) shem ZE .. "zrada at the very top." To put the yavreya on the polygraph, like on the E. chair.
    On August 19, the Security Service of Ukraine (after the dismissal of the chief intelligence officer) orders the "sleeping" squadrons to do something.
    20 Aug they had already been sold and betrayed before that, their own, they all tied up, and before that they still flew back, in a herd, (just as they did) our "Abwehr". the SBU blazed.
    1. mole
      mole 20 August 2020 19: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: itis
      the robot was confused, but on August 16, a request went from V. Rada to the SBU about at least unobtrusive control of biological (you read Wells ') laboratories on a sovereign territory. August 15, Butusov issued, to the mountain', a version about in (n) shem ZE .. "zrada at the very top." To put the yavreya on the polygraph, like on the E. chair.
      On August 19, the Security Service of Ukraine (after the dismissal of the chief intelligence officer) orders the "sleeping" squadrons to do something.
      20 Aug they had already been sold and betrayed before that, their own, they all tied up, and before that they still flew back, in a herd, (just as they did) our "Abwehr". the SBU blazed.

      If it's not a secret how much did you roll? wink
  • hroft
    hroft 20 August 2020 17: 41 New
    +5
    Until our leadership changes its soft and inert policy towards Ukraine to a tough and unceremonious one, Ukropov's provocations will only intensify, they feel that the Kremlin has no will to resolve the Ukrainian issue in one fell swoop, which means that they will become more and more impudent.
    1. fn34440
      fn34440 20 August 2020 18: 27 New
      0
      Because the detention took place not in Moscow itself, but in the region. This suggests the conclusion that one of the targets of the saboteurs could be the ex-head of the LPR Igor Plotnitsky, who periodically lives in the Moscow region.
      In addition to Plotnitsky, the SBU could have targeted Alexander Borodai and Igor Strelkov, who are also in the capitals.
      In addition, it is not worth writing off the team of Alexander Zakharchenko, who left for Russia (Former Minister of Income and Duties of the DPR Alexander "Tashkent" Timofeev and Russian writer Zakhar Prilepin - approx.), Because they are also regularly in Moscow.
      1. K-612-O
        K-612-O 20 August 2020 19: 19 New
        +1
        Baidala and Mishchenko took the Moscow region, and the rest took a lesson in Moscow.
      2. artifact
        artifact 20 August 2020 19: 20 New
        0
        Quote: fn34440
        Because the detention took place not in Moscow itself, but in the region.

        This is what I still cannot understand, how the kidnapped person was going to be transported across the border !? if only on some scow across the Sea of ​​Azov ...
      3. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 20 August 2020 22: 37 New
        0
        Well, "Tashkent" hardly walks. Sits most likely.
        Quote: fn34440
        This suggests the conclusion that one of the targets of the saboteurs could be the ex-head of the LPR Igor Plotnitsky, who periodically lives in the Moscow region.

        It was infa that the DPR is still an active security officer. It’s not Khodakovsky. what
  • Elephant
    Elephant 20 August 2020 17: 48 New
    +1
    And what attempt to capture, as the article says, was prevented by the FSB? If it is further stated that the man himself escaped thanks to a lucky chance. FSB fellows, that after what had already happened, they quickly reacted and carried out detentions. And another question arises - what have our valiant SVR and GRU been doing lately.
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 20 August 2020 17: 53 New
      +2
      Are you sure that the facts are known to the media?
      1. Elephant
        Elephant 20 August 2020 18: 12 New
        0
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        Are you sure that the facts are known to the media?

        In general terms, yes. In details, no. In general, for this, press services have been created that work with trusted media.
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 20 August 2020 19: 20 New
          0
          Well you listen and see what DSP has posted
        2. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 20 August 2020 19: 34 New
          0
          The press service reports only what they are allowed to report, that is, nothing specific.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 20 August 2020 18: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: Elephant
      And what attempt to capture, as the article says, was prevented by the FSB? If it is further stated that the man himself escaped thanks to a lucky chance. FSB fellows, that after what had already happened, they quickly reacted and carried out detentions.

      In "Vesti" they showed an operational video of the FSB with the moment of an attempt to capture "Bogdan" by malefactors (as the militia was designated), and the reaction of the FSB capture group ...

      So, no controversy. Only lack of information yes
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 20 August 2020 17: 52 New
    +2
    Anyone who works abroad should know: he slept, you are not there and you were not, this is normal.
  • fn34440
    fn34440 20 August 2020 18: 00 New
    +3
    And Donbass, and in Russia, there are still many people who could be of interest to Ukraine. And the kidnapping could have been planned as a general action as part of the Ukrainian work to raise Zelensky's rating, because he is now very sagging. Or as a targeted action, connected, for example, with witnesses around the Boeing. There can be many options.
    However, this operation, like any military operation in Ukraine, was undoubtedly prepared with the approval of the West. The British Defense Secretary and American advisers have just visited Ukraine. And every time they came, the Donbass immediately began to intensify: bombing, provocations in the gray zone.
    Therefore, there is no need to talk about a sovereign decision. The fact that Zelensky goes to this and agrees to such options for work, he demonstrates complete indifference to what Russia thinks about this. This means that Russia must respond appropriately!
    And the operation was led by the head of the counterintelligence department of the SBU Rusnak and the head of the 5th department of the DKR SBU Poklad.
    They also participated in the murders of the commanders and the leader of the DPR.
  • NF68
    NF68 20 August 2020 18: 39 New
    0
    Who would doubt it. They weren't even close there. These are all Martians and So.
  • purple
    purple 20 August 2020 18: 41 New
    -2
    Quote: Elephant
    And what attempt to capture, as the article says, was prevented by the FSB? If it is further stated that the man himself escaped thanks to a lucky chance. FSB fellows, that after what had already happened, they quickly reacted and carried out detentions. And another question arises - what have our valiant SVR and GRU been doing lately.

    looks like nothing
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 20 August 2020 18: 48 New
    +7
    Quote: Lumpen
    The usual gangster showdown, and you can recruit under a false flag.
    I was especially impressed by the phrase: -Baydala is a freelance employee of the SBU and the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.
    What about Zadornov: I was born on the instructions of American intelligence! laughing

    three days ago, Ukrainian speaking heads refused to follow "33 heroes" in Belarus ..... and today infa is whipping just not to shut up .... almost OP Ze is accused of draining special operations))))) and here you are about the holy Ukrainian special services fell out of the astral plane to tell us ... enough already)))) have already flown "on a barrel of gun" Ukrainian specialists .... little ??? it is necessary to repeat))))) and then also say "not us"
    1. Lumpen
      Lumpen 20 August 2020 21: 27 New
      -4
      I will try to explain in a popular way: - in our media the media belong to various financial and industrial groups, for example: -UP, RBK-Pinchuk and Sorosyat, Gas-producing country of OPSZ, Segodnya-Akhmetova, etc., etc. Censor, represented by the ardent gunman Butusov " creatively "revised the article from the KP and published it with speculation.
      The attack was going on by Yermak and the OP with the aim of starting to sway the situation before Independence Day, and all this "zrada" and a penny is not worth it
      1. Clear
        Clear 20 August 2020 22: 39 New
        +5
        Quote: Lumpen
        and all this "zrada" and a broken penny is not worth

        All you would not be worth a broken penny if you did not kill civilians in your country
        1. Lumpen
          Lumpen 20 August 2020 22: 57 New
          -4
          Remind you of Chechnya?
          I do not want to quarrel, I just tell how everything is with us, and with a look from the inside
          1. Clear
            Clear 20 August 2020 23: 04 New
            +4
            Quote: Lumpen
            Remind you of Chechnya?
            I do not want to quarrel, I just tell how everything is with us, and with a look from the inside

            Well, you don't understand anything at all fool comparing with Donbass.
            In Chechnya, at that time, there was all the rabble of international terrorism, crime, the slave trade ...
            1. Lumpen
              Lumpen 20 August 2020 23: 30 New
              -3
              At that time, there was a legitimately elected government
              1. Lumpen
                Lumpen 20 August 2020 23: 45 New
                -3
                And Chechnya (Ichkeria) was a subject of the Russian Federation
              2. Clear
                Clear 21 August 2020 09: 08 New
                +3
                Quote: Lumpen
                At that time, there was a legitimately elected government

                Well, you are a bad student. They tell you about crimes against humanity, and you talk about the legitimacy of the authorities. She is there and now this power.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 20 August 2020 18: 59 New
    0
    Our then had to summon the ambassador of Ukraine ............, trumpet the whole world about the failure of the SBU, raise the question of state terrorism before the UN, but what, where?
    So what is the question then?
    1. Clear
      Clear 20 August 2020 22: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: APASUS
      Our then had to summon the ambassador of Ukraine ............, trumpet the whole world about the failure of the SBU, raise the question of state terrorism before the UN, but what, where?
      So what is the question then?

      Probably not right away. Maybe not everyone was detained. What then to further explain?
  • yfast
    yfast 20 August 2020 21: 24 New
    +2
    Quote: Lumpen
    A foreign citizen with an armed group of persons under the laws of Ukraine?
    You yourself are not funny?
    Are you talking about the Maidan? It's funny, of course.
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 20 August 2020 22: 05 New
    +3
    Quote: Lumpen
    I will try to explain in a popular way: - in our media the media belong to various financial and industrial groups, for example: -UP, RBK-Pinchuk and Sorosyat, Gas-producing country of OPSZ, Segodnya-Akhmetova, etc., etc. Censor, represented by the ardent gunman Butusov " creatively "revised the article from the KP and published it with speculation.
    The attack was going on by Yermak and the OP with the aim of starting to sway the situation before Independence Day, and all this "zrada" and a penny is not worth it

    about the saboteurs in Crimea, too, your media lied)))) Yes, you suicide bombers in general lured the coast, it seems to me
    1. Lumpen
      Lumpen 20 August 2020 22: 52 New
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      During active confrontation, I admit everything, now I do not
      At the expense of the suicide bombers, you are all there in "paradise" if you are going!
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 21 August 2020 01: 50 New
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    Quote: Lumpen
    During active confrontation, I admit everything, now I do not
    At the expense of the suicide bombers, you are all there in "paradise" if you are going!

    do not take it personally ... this is not in relation to you personally (of course, if you did not personally participate in this))))) ...... I'm going where I go ... kismet
    1. Lumpen
      Lumpen 21 August 2020 06: 42 New
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      Maktub! As they say!
  • Kerensky
    Kerensky 21 August 2020 06: 24 New
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    "... lured into a car under the pretext of buying real estate in the suburbs .."
    If this is not legend then ... someone is going to buy a property.
    Maybe ordinary crime. The guys in "foreign land" just wanted to work.
    Remember Karabas. He also wanted to squeeze someone else's pipe in the port ...
    Put your cons.
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  • Mark kalendarov
    Mark kalendarov 21 August 2020 17: 03 New
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    And then ... Where the SBU crap ... nobody gets anything. The main thing is to deny everything ...
  • Popov I.P.
    Popov I.P. 26 August 2020 02: 08 New
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    They are already referring to the SBU law, although Ukraine and the law are nonsense.