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Mixture grenade and flame-thrower complex goes for testing

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The first known image of the Mixture complex from the publication of the Ministry of Defense


In the foreseeable future, the newest 6S20 "Mix" grenade-and-flame thrower complex may enter service with the Russian army. Work on this product is nearing its final stage, and soon the first samples will go to the test site. After their completion, the complex is expected to be put into service. He will be included in the promising combat equipment "Sotnik".

According to open data


The existence of the project with the code "Mix" first became known in February 2019. In the thematic collection "Missile-technical and artillery-technical support of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - 2018" from the Ministry of Defense, the appearance and main features of the new weapons.

The collection pointed to the emergence of "conceptually new melee weapons" suitable for the defeat of manpower, various equipment and structures - rocket-propelled grenades and assault grenades. The emergence of such samples is associated with the generalization of the experience of conflicts in recent years. The development of weapons is carried out with an eye to introducing the next third generation into combat equipment.

The new details appeared only a few days ago in Izvestia and were obtained from unnamed sources in the defense industry. It is claimed that the development process for the 6S20 Mixture product is nearing completion. The documentation for this complex has already been handed over to the Planta chemical plant (Nizhniy Tagil), which is to start mass production.

The grenade and flamethrower complex is preparing for testing. The verification process will continue for over a year. According to the established schedule, state tests will be completed next fall. After that, the product will have to be adopted.

Technical features


The Mixture complex includes several main components. This is a multifunctional sight and two types of rocket-propelled grenades in disposable transport-launch containers. This architecture allows you to get the best balance of combat and operational characteristics.

There are two models of rocket-propelled grenades - with tandem cumulative and thermobaric warheads. They have a caliber of 72,5 mm and are unified in terms of their propulsion system. The parameters of the anti-tank ammunition have not yet been specified - only its ability to hit armored vehicles with dynamic protection is stipulated. A volumetric explosion grenade is said to be comparable in power to a howitzer shell. The flight characteristics of the grenades are unknown.

Ammunition is supplied in disposable tubular TPK. The ends are covered with breakable covers with a protruding soft rim to prevent impacts. The container has connectors for mounting fire controls.

The most interesting component of the Mixture is the sighting device installed on the TPK. The compact rectangular unit is equipped with day and night optics, as well as a laser rangefinder. There is a ballistic computer that generates data for firing. The processed signal with additional data is displayed on the monitor in the eyepiece. There is a spare open sight of the type used on old grenade launchers.

Depending on the task at hand, the grenade launcher must choose a TPK with a grenade of the desired type. An aiming unit is installed on it. When aiming, the latter provides the determination of the range to the target and the calculation of data for firing, which sharply increases the accuracy and effectiveness of fire. After firing, the container is separated from the scope and discarded.

Two in One


The need and combat value of rocket-propelled grenade launchers / grenades and flamethrowers is obvious. Such weapons allow you to effectively deal with various targets at significant ranges and have a positive effect on the capabilities of the infantry. However, modern samples of this kind have certain limitations - in terms of accuracy, range of targets, etc.


Complex 2S60 and its grenades

The Mix project, justifying its name, provides for the creation of a universal complex, devoid of such disadvantages. First of all, this is ensured by the presence of two grenades for different purposes. A single complex with such ammunition is capable of replacing the systems of two different classes currently in service, while obtaining comparable combat qualities.

The exact characteristics of the grenades have not yet been reported, but the available data allow us to draw some conclusions. So, the anti-tank ammunition of the tandem scheme allows you to get the maximum performance in the given dimensions. Such a grenade will be able to hit a wide range of light and medium armored vehicles. In a number of situations, effective use against tanks.

A thermobaric grenade is said to be as powerful as an artillery shell. Some existing samples show that the volumetric explosion ammunition in the dimensions of a grenade launcher is really capable of showing a high-explosive effect at the level of a 122-mm projectile. Such ammunition is of obvious interest to the army.

The most important advantage is the availability of a "reusable" sight with the most necessary functions. Until now, domestic grenade launchers / grenades and flamethrowers were equipped only with mechanical sighting devices with limited capabilities. In some situations, this could lead to errors and a drop in accuracy.

A fundamentally new electronic product will take on the most difficult tasks in preparation for shooting and eliminate possible errors. Accordingly, the shooting accuracy will increase dramatically. Optical-electronic sight with two channels allows you to use weapons at any time of the day, which gives serious advantages.

Weapons of the future


So far, not too much is known about the 6S20 Mixture grenade-and-flame thrower complex, but the available data make a good impression. Everything suggests that domestic gunsmiths, already having extensive experience in the field of grenade launcher systems, have managed to create a new successful model with great potential. It is quite possible that in the future the modern "Mix" will replace several obsolete grenade launchers and grenades at once.

However, the 6C20 product is not yet ready for operation and mass production. He has yet to confirm the declared characteristics during tests. Their completion is scheduled for the fall of next year, after which issues of acceptance into service will be resolved. Then some time will be spent on the release of a sufficient number of complexes and their development in the troops.

It should be recalled that the "Mix" is not an independent development, but is being designed within the framework of promising military equipment for a serviceman. Together with the grenade launcher, the Sotnik may include a promising machine gun and machine gun, new uniforms, protective equipment, communication systems, etc. Thus, the 6S20 project has a great future - both in itself and as part of promising equipment.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 20 August 2020 18: 43 New
    12
    Mixture grenade and flame-thrower complex goes for testing
    Hmm, a descendant of "Bumblebee"? Always shudder. A useful but terrible weapon.
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 20 August 2020 18: 50 New
      +3
      New Shaitan Trumpet.
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 20 August 2020 21: 45 New
        +3
        Quote: Pessimist22
        New Shaitan Trumpet.

        the newest grenade and flamethrower complex 6S20 "Mix".

        Yes, it is felt after taking this "mixture" the head will hurt a lot winked
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 21 August 2020 07: 43 New
          +2
          Quote: Terenin
          the head will hurt badly

          If she stays ... bully
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 21 August 2020 07: 58 New
            +2
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: Terenin
            the head will hurt badly

            If she stays ... bully

            Right. In order for the head to remain, you need to be friends with it yes
            By the way, smilies are just heads. belay ran away from someone
  2. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
    Kuzmich Sibiryakov 20 August 2020 18: 51 New
    +4
    If I were close to the authors of the development, I would suggest a different name, continuing the playful naming of very dangerous things. Something like "Vinaigrette".
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 20 August 2020 18: 59 New
      +8
      Minced meat can be called.
      1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
        Kuzmich Sibiryakov 20 August 2020 19: 52 New
        +5
        Quote: Pessimist22
        Minced meat can be called.

        This is my second suggested name, but I refused it. Too bloodthirsty, and not acceptable for some gourmets. A vegetable dish is humane. And humane. And innocently, like a "Foundling" for a grenade launcher.
        1. lovely
          lovely 30 August 2020 03: 39 New
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          "Ripper" yet)
          1. Elk
            Elk 1 September 2020 13: 04 New
            0
            Bouncer isn't bad either.
  3. garri-lin
    garri-lin 20 August 2020 19: 00 New
    -1
    72mm diameter? How little.
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 20 August 2020 19: 43 New
      12
      This is a portable, not a transportable complex. Sometimes it is better to have two small ones than one huge and heavy one. If everyone has such a pipe, and preferably two, then the platoon turns into a monster unit.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 20 August 2020 19: 48 New
        +9
        It is more logical to make a single multi-caliber system based on the sight. Since we have gone the way of TPK. Single sight and different caliber shots. In dimensions from those presented in the article to the legendary Vampire.
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 21 August 2020 12: 00 New
          +1
          Dobrogo Shooter. And how do you imagine a multi-caliber sight? Different types of ammunition require different programs for the computer (different calibrations). In fact, the cost of such a device will exceed the cost of an ATGM complex.
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 21 August 2020 14: 49 New
            +2
            A calculator that, according to the preset, will enter corrections in accordance with the ballistics of the selected ammunition will cost a penny.
            1. zadorin1974
              zadorin1974 21 August 2020 15: 52 New
              +1
              As it is doubtful. All together will come out in a critical amount. In the next five years, such a device will be able to deliver only to specialists of the level of SSO. In this device, all the electronics will pull the power consumption. My scope (night light) of average lousy eats up the battery in an hour of operation.
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 21 August 2020 18: 35 New
                +1
                According to estimates on another resource, such a sight will be from 200 to 500 thousand. This was compared to the prices of similar appliances. It is the calculator that will take into account different ballistics that is part of the software. And not the most difficult one. The price will be reflected at a minimum. I don't know what kind of sight and battery you have there, but based on lithium batteries 18,65,0, you can reliably provide the device with energy.
          2. psiho117
            psiho117 22 August 2020 16: 42 New
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            Quote: zadorin1974
            Different types of ammunition require different programs for the calculator

            it's just a program in the processor. Not another sight, not another processor, but simply the program will change the preset numbers in the calculator from one to slightly different ones. It is so primitive that a calculator microcircuit can handle it.
            There is nothing to raise here "the cost of the device is up to the cost of the ATGM complex."
            But when you open a file with the help of different programs, your computer price does not change? belay
      2. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 20 August 2020 20: 55 New
        +5
        Victor, how many smart scopes are there in a platoon? - 72,5mm caliber RPG-22 "Net" 1980, only added a second head "godfather". RPO "Shmel-M" caliber 90mm, maybe a new explosive is used in "Mixture"? The power of ammunition strongly depends on its size - "kuma" is better with a large diameter and a molybdenum funnel, "land mine" depends on the quantity and quality of explosives.
        1. psiho117
          psiho117 21 August 2020 00: 47 New
          +6
          Quote: cat Rusich
          "kuma" better large diameter and molybdenum funnel,

          Molybdenum (as well as depleted uranium or tantalum) for cladding is hefty expensive ... Not every ATGM has such shots - and you want to shove this into a simple infantry analogue of a "fly".
          Everything is simpler - there is most likely ordinary copper, as in all other RPGs.
          1. KCA
            KCA 21 August 2020 01: 45 New
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            Not so much molybdenum is expensive, scrap 12 thousand rubles per kilogram of rubles, scrap, clean, not ore, the cost of a Jewelin rocket is around 6 rubles
          2. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 21 August 2020 19: 56 New
            +1
            Dmitry, "Mix" with a caliber of 72,5 mm is an analogue of the RPG-22 "Net" in caliber. The power of "kuma" is directly proportional to the caliber, the diameter of the funnel, that is, the larger the diameter, the greater the thickness of the armor penetration (for example, ATGM "Kornet-D" 152mm caliber armor penetration for DZ 1300mm). RPG-22 "Net" (with ordinary copper), caliber 72,5mm, armor penetration 400mm. What tank with a remote control is planned to be penetrated by the Mixture?
            1. Orange
              Orange bigg 21 August 2020 22: 45 New
              0
              Quote: cat Rusich
              Dmitry, "Mix" with a caliber of 72,5 mm is an analogue of the RPG-22 "Net" in caliber. The power of "kuma" is directly proportional to the caliber, the diameter of the funnel, that is, the larger the diameter, the greater the thickness of the armor penetration (for example, ATGM "Kornet-D" 152mm caliber armor penetration for DZ 1300mm). RPG-22 "Net" (with ordinary copper), caliber 72,5mm, armor penetration 400mm. What tank with a remote control is planned to be penetrated by the Mixture?


              A universal grenade and flamethrower complex. They say it can work on tanks.
              A new "pocket artillery" was developed for the Russian infantry. The Smes universal grenade-and-flame thrower complex, developed for the third-generation domestic combat equipment Sotnik, is already being tested. In terms of its power, a disposable grenade launcher will not be inferior to a howitzer projectile, and its modern sight will make it possible to destroy enemy tanks and shelters at night as easily as during the day. The emergence of such weapons will provide soldiers with superiority in urban combat, experts say.

              https://iz.ru/1048923/anton-lavrov-roman-kretcul/gremuchaia-smes-novyi-shturmovoi-granatometnyi-kompleks-vykhodit-na-ispytaniia
              1. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 21 August 2020 23: 05 New
                +2
                Alexander, what are you talking about? - about new items? - There is an MPO-A caliber 72,5mm with a thermobaric warhead, in service since 2004. There is a rocket launcher "Bur" caliber 62mm with a thermobaric warhead, in service since 2014. There is RShG-2 caliber 72,5mm with thermobaric warhead, in service since 2000. Everything has already been invented, I don't even remind about simple RPGs ... just adjust the "smart sight" ...
                1. psiho117
                  psiho117 22 August 2020 16: 26 New
                  0
                  Quote: cat Rusich
                  There is MPO-A
                  There is a "Boer"
                  There is RShG-2
                  Everything is already invented

                  Yes, everything is already there - different developers, different departments and different manufacturers. Even the names of the same thing are often different.
                  You, as an adult living in Russia, should understand: Unification is in general not about our weapons manufacturers. And the customer is not thinking of lowering the degree of raznosorty in our troops.
                  Therefore, the situation with the development of a single, removable universal sight for already existing samples of grenade launchers / flamethrowers - I consider impossible in our reality.

                  Everyone, both manufacturers and developers, wants to eat a hearty meal from the trough of the State Defense Order, so we will repeatedly see the presentation under the guise of "new" and "promising" samples, which are simply differently compiled nodes and solutions.
            2. psiho117
              psiho117 22 August 2020 16: 02 New
              0
              Quote: cat Rusich
              What tank with a remote control is planned to be penetrated by the Mixture?

              None. Why do you think so?
              I wrote in another comment - this is not for fighting tanks, it is an analogue of the RShG - for fighting fortifications, battles in the city, and fighting light armored vehicles and shaitan pickups.
              1. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 22 August 2020 21: 23 New
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                Dmitry, analogue of RShG-1 - RMG "Skid" - caliber 105mm, length 1135mm, grenade weight about 8kg, only "Skid" has a tandem - leading "godfather" + thermobaric warhead. The "Mix" (as I understood after reading the article) has a tandem - 2 "kums" - the leading one for the passage through the DZ and the main one for armor. As I understand it, they took the RPG-26 "Aglen" - they modernized the grenade - they made a tandem of 2 "godfathers" like the RPG-28 "Cranberry", only they did not increase the caliber, probably the weight could not be increased. A simple thermobaric warhead is suitable for light armored vehicles and "shahid-mobiles". I agree the number of RPGs, RPOs, RShGs, RMGs and other shots for the RPG-7 is too large and a simple conscript will get confused in the names and purpose for use, and in battle he will be given an RPG-6 from the strategic reserve warehouses and "burn the enemy's tank" as do you want ...
                1. psiho117
                  psiho117 22 August 2020 23: 14 New
                  0
                  Quote: cat Rusich
                  Dmitry, analogue RShG-1 - RMG "Skid" - caliber 105mm

                  Meant RShG-2 (RMO-A)
                  As I understand it, they took the RPG-26 "Aglen" - modernized the grenade, made a tandem of 2 "godfathers" like the RPG-28 "Cranberry"
                  It's just that it's time to replace the RPG-26: after all, my age, 1985. birth wassat
                  Here is "Basalt" and added a precharge to a new grenade, to combat the remote sensing.
                  This does not mean that the grenade from this suddenly became more "anti-tank" - it can still hit a tank only at vulnerable points, the roof or stern - it is just that now there is a trend towards the development of light DZ, for protection any equipment, up to patrol jeeps. Therefore, they added a precharge.
                  only did not increase the caliber

                  and the caliber should not have been touched. Basalt now produces grenade launchers and grenades for them in 3 form factors:
                  - Light: 72,5 mm caliber (RPG-22, RPG-26, RShG-2, RMO-A).
                  - Medium power: caliber 105mm or 64 \ 105 mm for tandem (RPG-29, RPG-27, RShG-1, RMG, and tandem shots for RPG-7)
                  There is also a bicaliber RPG-32, but we don't have it in service, so it doesn't count soldier Plus on RPG-7 grenades are generally of any diameter - and 40mm and 72 and 85 and 90 and 105 mm
                  And, one of a kind - a heavy RPG-28, with a caliber of 125mm.
                  So the caliber is normal, because it is being created to replace the RPG-26 / RShG-2. It's just that the "basalts" scratched the pumpkin, and realized that it was impossible to raise a lot of money on a simple replacement of grenade launchers, so let's add a sight, but more expensive ... xs, why is it even on a weapon with an effective firing range clearly less than 200m ...
                  Let's see if it will be possible to shoot from it without sight, will there be a simpler version of the sight - handle + optics, as on the Tula "Tempest" ...
                  It's not clear yet.
        2. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 21 August 2020 07: 54 New
          +2
          The main thing is not how many smart sights, but how many pipes will take the platoon, by the way a smart sight is not always needed, since there is a mechanical one. Power depends not only on the size, but also on the type of filling. A shaped charge to penetrate the side of the Abrams does not need a super-powerful one, as well as for light vehicles, and even a Vampire will not penetrate the front of the tank. Excessive power means excessive weight, the price is like shooting a tungsten projectile at a fly.
          1. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 21 August 2020 20: 15 New
            0
            Viktor, if it's not about "smart sights" - then "the mountain gave birth to a mouse" - "deeply modernized" RPG-26 "Aglen" - made a tandem shot, like the RPG-28 "Cranberry", only the caliber was left 72,5mm only in the board and stern will be pierced by the Abrams. The RPG-26 has a direct shot range of 170m - an aiming range of 250m - no optics are needed to hit a "tank" ... then why a "smart sight"? - they praise him as the main invention, but they are silent about the performance characteristics "Mix" ...
            1. Viktor Sergeev
              Viktor Sergeev 21 August 2020 21: 52 New
              0
              The question is in the unification of shots, in the ability to quickly replace, and possibly production. We do not know what new items are there, what is the weight, range, etc.
    2. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
      Kuzmich Sibiryakov 20 August 2020 19: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: garri-lin
      72mm diameter? How little.

      For that you can take a few as a burden. Not a crushing pig, but a fairly dense set of coverage. In open areas, the shockwave is attenuated to a fourth of the distance. Thus, a furious blow at some distance can no longer do anything. Much more effective three or four side by side, and the result will be better.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 20 August 2020 20: 01 New
        -3
        4 RPGs with 4 advanced and expensive scopes per squad is cool. Give it Mars.
        1. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 21 August 2020 07: 55 New
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          Why 4 scopes? Two or even one is enough, but there are 20-40 pipes for them. By the way, there is just a mechanical sight, for a short distance, that's it.
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 21 August 2020 09: 07 New
            0
            Mechanical sight? Why then to fence a vegetable garden? All this has long been in the army. Under other names.
            1. Viktor Sergeev
              Viktor Sergeev 21 August 2020 12: 42 New
              0
              You have 20 pipes to separate, while you have time you beat from a great distance halving the enemy, but when there is no time or the sight is lost, you use a mechanical one. Not only the sight changes, but the composition of the mixture inside, the weight, caliber decreases, with the same parameters of destruction.
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 21 August 2020 14: 52 New
                0
                Bumblebee was originally equated with an artillery bomb. He started evolution with 12 kilograms. Gradually it becomes less and less, and the amazing ability remains.
    3. Egor-dis
      Egor-dis 20 August 2020 20: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: garri-lin
      72mm diameter? How little.

      fine. Well, it's like a rifle. You will have to carry with you.
      For comparison, 9m111 ("bassoon") - caliber 120 mm, weight in TPK - 13.5 kg considering that there are 2 of them to carry - you won't run too much.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 20 August 2020 20: 57 New
        +1
        Kumul 72 mm can do little. Partners even book armored personnel carriers to the maximum. Bumblebee with a caliber of 90 with a small analogue of an artillery shell. I don’t know how the same possibility was accommodated in 72 mm. Although they are boasting.
        1. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 21 August 2020 12: 46 New
          +1
          72 mm will sew the side of the Abrams and even more so any BMP that would not be hung. PG-7VS / 7P13, with the same 72 mm, 400 mm were punched. Do you really believe that the side of a tank or an infantry fighting vehicle (armored personnel carrier) can be protected like this?
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 21 August 2020 14: 54 New
            0
            The leader of "Resume" is 65 mm, and here it is as much as 72.
    4. sen
      sen 21 August 2020 05: 27 New
      +2
      72mm diameter? How little

      And what kind of damage can a thermobaric grenade inflict on a tank? After all, the mixture before detonation can flow into the cracks. For example, it can be subjected to a volumetric explosion by sucking the fuel-oxidizing mixture into the engine air path and into the refrigerated volume of the MTO. Remote detonation (before intercepting the KAZ) of a thermobaric grenade can disable the KAZ and devices on the tank's armor.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 21 August 2020 09: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: sen
        And what kind of damage can a thermobaric grenade inflict on a tank?

        Can bluntly break through the armor due to the blasting effect that the thermobar has
        In addition, a variant with the creation of a "cumulative funnel" is used there with a high probability when the nose of the grenade is collapsed before the explosion.


        Quote: sen
        After all, the mixture before detonation can flow into the cracks.

        Can not. It's a thermobar. Single-shot ammunition. Unlike two-stroke volumetric detonation, the cloud of the fuel-air mixture is not created before detonation.
        But after the detonation, the wave can "go numb". Moreover, it is much hotter than that of high-explosive or cumulative ammunition.
        1. sen
          sen 21 August 2020 10: 28 New
          -1
          Unlike two-stroke volumetric detonation, the cloud of the fuel-air mixture is not created before detonation.

          Not certainly in that way.
          Thermobaric ammunition works like this:
          1. First, as in the CWA, the central sputtering charge is detonated, which has a high detonation velocity.
          2. From it there is an undermining and sputtering of the main charge with a lower detonation speed, while there is more fuel in the mixture than it would be necessary for the available amount of oxidizer or oxygen in the formula, it does not burn everything, but continues to scatter.
          3. Oxygen of the air enters into action and afterburns the fuel.

          https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5daad4a0c7e50c00b1294ff0/chem-otlichaiutsia-termobaricheskii-i-vakuumnyi-boepripasy-5ded569c118d7f00b3e8776d

          Handheld thermobaric grenade RG60-TB. Charge weight only 240 g
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 21 August 2020 10: 46 New
            +2
            Quote: sen
            Not certainly in that way.

            So.
            No cloud creation followed by detonation.
            And the quote you provided confirms this.

            And the one who wrote this made it very difficult.
            It's easier. Undermining, after which a mixture of unreacted components, metal particles (usually aluminum powder) and an oxidizer is formed behind the shock wave front, which, after the destruction of the body, ignite, and by their combustion increase the temperature of the IWW and prolong its action, "feeding with energy"
            That's all.
            Ammunition textbooks are in the public domain.
      2. Romka47
        Romka47 21 August 2020 13: 16 New
        +2
        And what kind of damage can a thermobaric grenade inflict on a tank? After all, the mixture before detonation can flow into the cracks.
        In theory, maybe, and many say that it should be straight, but as the participants in the database in Donbass said, the bumblebee does nothing to the tank, it can scatter the remote control, knock down some devices, but defeat, even a temporary withdrawal from the battle is practically impossible. In particular, the commander of the anti-tank group with the call sign "Clooney" said that the bumblebee was generally useless against the tank, he personally hit it more than once and to the point of 0.
    5. Private-K
      Private-K 22 August 2020 08: 49 New
      0
      Quote: garri-lin
      72mm diameter? How little.

      Should be enough for most cases.
      The simplest and most inexpensive kuma with a 7-7,5 caliber coefficient gives a reliable 500-550 mm armor penetration. This is enough for a guaranteed penetration with a large beyond-barrier effect of any modern or promising armored vehicle (BMP, BTR, MRAP, BRM, etc.), except for the thickest frontal parts of the MBT.
      More expensive godfather with odds. 9 will give 600-650 mm of penetration.
      For a thermobar, the weight of the TB mixture will be like 500 g, which is enough in the vast majority of cases, if you do not set yourself the goal of folding concrete houses.
      A great advantage: due to its mass-dimensional characteristics, 73 mm RPGs can be carried less burdensomely from one to three (depending on the situation).
      Although, as I think, the military will also want to have 120-130 mm cumulative ammunition in the kit to be able to penetrate the frontal projections of tanks.
      In total, we have in the delivery: 10 RPGs with a thin godfather 10-15 RPGs with a thermobar and 3-4 RPGs with a fat godfather. For everything - a universal electronic sight. In principle, all that is needed for close combat (up to 200-300 m).
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 22 August 2020 09: 46 New
        0
        An expensive fancy sight with 72mm and a range of about 200 meters? What for? It's like putting optics on Makarov. Okay, they say the thermobar will have a programmable fuse. Underdevelopment. Once you've started, you need to cover all the needs. 72mm. 105-110 mm. 1хх mm analogue of Vampire. On a single sight. And replace with this complex ALL RPGs. There is a good here. Provide for guided projectiles. LGSN or inertial to maintain on the trajectory.
    6. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 29 August 2020 11: 35 New
      0
      if with the help of the sight they can realize a range of 300-350 meters, then that will be great .. Well, in general, this sight needs to be adapted to the RPG-7 ..
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 29 August 2020 23: 19 New
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        On the basis of this sight, you need to make a multi-caliber complex. In fact, recycle everything from Fly to Vampire to work with this scope. All that is relevant.
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 30 August 2020 23: 21 New
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          well, let's say you can't hang it on an ordinary fly .. as well as on the rest of the released RPGs .. but let's say on the RPG-7 after reworking the mount and rewiring the brains .. no problem
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 31 August 2020 10: 18 New
            0
            About that and speech. See what's relevant and recycle.
  4. Sibguest
    Sibguest 20 August 2020 19: 39 New
    +1
    Hmmm ... a peculiar sense of humor for the one (those) who gives the name to such uh ... products.
  5. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 20 August 2020 19: 45 New
    +7
    The question is who will have the "smart sight"? - without a "smart sight" "Mix" = RPG disposable (for example RPG-26 "Aglen" or RPO "Shmel-M"). Let me explain which soldier from a squad or platoon will have a "smart sight"? Maybe you need to make a "universal sight" for disposable RPGs? - attached a "universal sight" to that RPG, RShG, RPO ... which you have in stock, entered these models and the "sight brain" gives you the corrections you need. The sight will be more difficult (the input keyboard will be added), but we will be able to use the "old RPGs".
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 20 August 2020 20: 02 New
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      ABOUT!!!! Briefly and on the topic.
    2. lucul
      lucul 20 August 2020 21: 39 New
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      The question is who will have the "smart sight"? - without a "smart sight" "Mix" = RPG disposable (for example RPG-26 "Aglen" or RPO "Shmel-M").

      The prime cost of any microcircuit / processor is $ 1, everything else is a surcharge, with a developed electronic base in the country this is not a problem.
      Just as in industry, the use of automation dramatically increases efficiency, so here too, it is necessary to comprehensively re-equip the army with electronics, which will increase its efficiency.
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 20 August 2020 22: 06 New
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        Sight for "Mix" includes an optical channel, a night vision sight, a laser rangefinder and the same "processor for $ 1" - a ballistic computer with data output to a monitor in the eyepiece ... don't forget the power supply (what is it?). In an article on VO yesterday, it was reported that a monocular night device was lost in Ukraine for about 190 rubles (a company from the USA) - these are the approximate prices for a quality device of comparable size, of course, you can take cheaper parts ... from China.
    3. Fierce73
      Fierce73 21 August 2020 13: 59 New
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      The grenade launcher will have the sight, I think. If the sight provides for the possibility of installation on the RPG-7, then the motorized rifle squad becomes very "toothy"! Ammunition nomenclature, firing range, etc. the old complex, are added up with increasing accuracy when using the scope, which leads to a significant increase in efficiency!
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 21 August 2020 20: 39 New
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        The RPG-7 grenade launcher already has the PGO-7V-3 optical sights, the NSPU-3 "night light". The mounts for the sights of the RPG-7 and the "Mix" are most likely different ... the RPG-7 has the old side mount of the sights, you will have to make an "adapter". And provide for a "data entry keyboard" - "old shots" have different ballistic characteristics and the "smart sight" must know which shot is being fired.
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 29 August 2020 11: 41 New
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          Why do they need a telescopic sight? Let them shoot from the mechanics ... in the 21st century ... A smart sight is smart, which allows EXACTLY to hit targets, the Germans put a similar sight on their Panzerfaust 3 and got an increase in the range from 300 to 600 meters with an increase accuracy .. BV allows exactly what to increase the accuracy of shooting at a long distance, if there is an increase in the range of at least 100 meters, i.e. up to 800 with increasing accuracy, then this is exactly what the army needs
          1. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 29 August 2020 21: 00 New
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            Boris, the reality is more "harsh" ... "Fritz" are developing the LWM 1800+ in order to accurately shoot at more than 1800m. There is already Virkmittel 90 working on light armored vehicles at 600m, and on infantry - "air blasting" at 1200m ...
            Wircktmittel 90
            1. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 29 August 2020 21: 04 New
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              And also Virkmittel 90 for clarity ...
              Virkmittel 90
              1. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 29 August 2020 21: 11 New
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                Panzerfaust 600-IT-3 works at 600m ...
                panzerfaust 3
                1. Boris Chernikov
                  Boris Chernikov 30 August 2020 23: 22 New
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                  what are you talking about) but I didn’t know .. about Virkimiteley and the like .. we have regular anti-tank systems .. they work for a long range
  6. bars1
    bars1 20 August 2020 20: 11 New
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    Gennady Gushchin, with vpk.name, reports that "Mix" is the name of the ROC. The grenade launcher is called "Termit" Its grenades are equipped with a programmable fuse.
  7. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 20 August 2020 20: 44 New
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    Mlyn, what can you say? "Impressed" only the sight ... the dream of grenade launchers ... (for a long time they dreamed about this ...)! And the rest ... grenades yak grenades ... TPK yak TPK! A multi-caliber gun based on the RPG-32 could become a universal grenade-flame-thrower complex! The rest is talk on the topic: blah blah blah!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 August 2020 21: 22 New
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      The cumulative rounds for the RPG Mix 7 RPG 30 and 32 are already physically outdated 650 mm behind the DZ for modern tanks, nothing needs to be brought to 1200 mm with the same caliber 105 mm
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 20 August 2020 22: 11 New
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        The maximum threshold for the cumulative is ten funnel gauges. Under ideal conditions and with a metal lining of the cumulative funnel made of an expensive alloy.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 21 August 2020 13: 16 New
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          Tantalum funnels and a combination instead of two three charges.
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 21 August 2020 14: 58 New
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            There are no cumules with several consecutive charges. The leader and main in tandem is somewhat different. In order for the second cumul to get exactly into the channel punched by the first one, well, you have to try very hard. Plus, there should be a large distance between charges. For RPGs it is almost impossible to implement. Well, maybe a telescopic rocket a couple of meters long.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 21 August 2020 22: 15 New
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              And in a tank shell they implemented
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 22 August 2020 00: 47 New
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                And what did it lead to? What is the armor penetration?
      2. psiho117
        psiho117 21 August 2020 00: 55 New
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        Quote: Vadim237
        obsolete 650 mm for DZ for modern tanks about nothing

        This is not for fighting tanks. This is an analogue of the RShG - for fighting fortifications, battles in the city, and fighting light armored vehicles and shaitan-pickups.
        NATO BMPs are no longer "light vehicles" either.
        To combat medium and heavily armored vehicles, there are anti-tank systems and "heavy" Vampire-type grenade launchers.
        1. Yves762
          Yves762 21 August 2020 09: 19 New
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          The RPG-32 has everything ...

          Why "spawn entities"? request

          And, by the way, about the sights - it was already ...

          https://topwar.ru/112246-belorusy-sdelali-rpg-7-vysokotochnym-oruzhiem.html
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 21 August 2020 13: 22 New
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          We already have an RMG Skid, which prevents us from making a bar for attaching a computer sight - if the Mixture is not for fighting tanks, then the question is, what the hell was it created if there is the above system.
  8. Pamir
    Pamir 20 August 2020 20: 53 New
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    We need more accurate characteristics of this product. In general, a flamethrower is a terrible weapon. It strikes not only by temperature, but also by a superhuman pressure drop, but in a confined space. A shot from RPO Shmel-M hits a window of 1m / 1m, from a distance of 800m without super sights , the result is terrible. Flamethrowers are an excellent weapon in settlements, the best weapon against the enemy hiding in buildings near the infantry or landing force is not yet available. What will surpass the "Bumblebee" "Mix" is not yet clear. And why a cumulative grenade for a flamethrower? There are grenade launchers for armored targets These are different types of weapons, each for its own purposes.
  9. Momotomba
    Momotomba 20 August 2020 22: 52 New
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    Quote: cat Rusich
    The question is who will have the "smart sight"?

    At the commander! So that the fighters do not lose or break laughing Probably dear thing
  10. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 20 August 2020 23: 46 New
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    There the ISS was struck by a meteorite. Where is the news?
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 21 August 2020 00: 56 New
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      Duc already closed up ... What to talk about? bully
  11. tank64rus
    tank64rus 21 August 2020 09: 54 New
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    And who will give this complex to the troops of the RHBZ or others.
    1. Hiller
      Hiller 21 August 2020 13: 10 New
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      Judging by the classification "grenade-flamethrower" - a prospect for RChBZ
      1. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 29 August 2020 11: 45 New
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        unlikely, rather to ordinary motorized riflemen precisely because of the prevalence
    2. psiho117
      psiho117 22 August 2020 16: 01 New
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      It is intended for warriors. The "chemists" have their goods in bulk.
  12. Yellow bubble
    Yellow bubble 21 August 2020 12: 01 New
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    In one grenade, why two again?
  13. Alexfly
    Alexfly 21 August 2020 12: 46 New
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    Unfortunately, this is not a weapon of the future, but of the present. Lagging .... actually, a rangefinder and a "ballistic computer" have been needed for a long time ... even for RPGs
  14. Boris Chernikov
    Boris Chernikov 29 August 2020 11: 47 New
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    In general, we need a new RPG to replace the RPG-7 or modernize the old scheme ... for example, increase the caliber from 40 mm to 55 or 60 mm, equip it with a safe start ... and in general it's time to think about creating a controlled shot for the RPG ... fired into the sky, and the assistant aimed a shot at the roof of an enemy tank