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Xinhua: Zircon missile will not be able to intercept any of the existing missile defense systems

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Xinhua: Zircon missile will not be able to intercept any of the existing missile defense systems

The Russian Zircon missile is so fast that it cannot be intercepted by any of the existing missile defense (ABM) weapons, including the US missile defense. Recently it weapon successfully tested.


The Chinese news agency Xinhua writes about it.

Test firing of the Zircon hypersonic cruise missile from the Admiral Gorshkov frigate was successful. They confirmed its performance characteristics in terms of speed, accuracy and range. During the naval parade in St. Petersburg, Russian President Vladimir Putin officially announced that this new type of weapon will soon enter the troops.

"Zircon", possessing great power, is able to maneuver, bypassing enemy missile defense systems. And even if they manage to shoot it down, by this moment it will be so close to the enemy ship that the debris of the rocket will damage it. The presence of stealth characteristics also helps it overcome missile defenses.

High speed, stealth and the ability to effectively overcome the defensive systems of a potential enemy make "Zircon" one of the main trump cards of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, according to the major Chinese media.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 19 August 2020 10: 02 New
    -9
    The Zircon missile will not be able to intercept any of the existing missile defense systems

    At the same time, it is argued that the S-500 can confidently shoot down hypersonic targets.
    1. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 19 August 2020 10: 05 New
      +9
      At the same time, it is argued that the S-500 can confidently shoot down hypersonic targets.
      What she can and what she cannot, the general public will not know, I think some hypersonic ones and maybe, but maneuvering hypersonic ones are very unlikely
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 19 August 2020 10: 07 New
        -8
        Quote: _Ugene_
        What she can and cannot, the general public will not know

        But no one knows a damn thing what Zircon is either.
        1. KCA
          KCA 19 August 2020 10: 12 New
          +5
          I suspect that someone in the Gorshkov's crew knows something, well, the developers too
        2. WIKI
          WIKI 19 August 2020 10: 17 New
          -6
          Quote: Victor_B
          But no one knows a damn thing what Zircon is either.

          "The Armed Forces (AF) of Russia do not have sufficient technical means to ensure target designation of promising hypersonic missiles" Zircon ", in fact, leaving such a Russian superweapon" blind ", writes Doctor of Military Sciences Konstantin Sivkov in the" Military Industrial Courier ". perhaps, first of all, if there are developed means of sea, air and space reconnaissance, which modern Russia does not have. In particular, the authors argue that one target in "important for Russia operationally important regions of the World Ocean", the four satellites of the "Liana" twice a day with a probable duration of a session no more than six to nine minutes. "
          1. ximkim
            ximkim 19 August 2020 10: 38 New
            0
            Even if there is a club, she still has to give up ..
          2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 August 2020 10: 48 New
            +4
            Quote: WIKI
            "The Armed Forces (AF) of Russia do not have sufficient technical means to ensure target designation of promising hypersonic missiles" Zircon ", in fact, leaving such a Russian superweapon" blind ", writes Doctor of Military Sciences Konstantin Sivkov in the" Military-Industrial Courier ".

            Not understood. And for "Zircon" you need some kind of special target designation, different from that for other missiles?
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 19 August 2020 11: 20 New
              0
              Naturally. A cocoon forms around the rocket at hypersonic speed
              from plasma, does not transmit radio waves. Moreover, it is useless and optical
              guidance on the head of the rocket. To control a rocket flying on
              hypersound in the atmosphere requires unthinkable tricks.
              The second option is to slow down to supersonic sound at the terminal site.
              How targeting is embodied on Zircon is unknown.
              The complete absence of photographs (even approximate) of this rocket
              do not allow any assumptions about its targeting.
              It is not even clear if it has a ramjet engine.
              1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 August 2020 11: 23 New
                +4
                Thanks for clarifying.
                But if it is not clear in principle how the Zircon is controlled, then where did Konstantin Sivkov get the idea that Russia does not have enough technical means for this, and what does Liana have to do with it?
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 19 August 2020 11: 28 New
                  -2
                  I don’t know. "Liana" has nothing to do with it.
              2. Ka-52
                Ka-52 19 August 2020 11: 37 New
                +4
                To control a rocket flying on
                hypersound in the atmosphere requires unthinkable tricks.

                First, the rocket flies along the INS and can make adjustments only shortly before hitting. For this, the "window" provided by the method of radio communication through the plasma envelope using a pulsed electric field is sufficient.
                secondly, the plasma cocoon is formed at speeds above 5M. In view of the fact that the task of hypersonic weapons is to minimize the time for the enemy's missile defense reaction as much as possible, the maximum speed can remain on the main segment of the flight path. And already at a distance of 30-40 km from the target, the speed can be dropped to 2,5-3M. At the same time, it is possible to correct the flight both with the help of its own radar, and with a signal from the outside.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 19 August 2020 13: 59 New
                  +1
                  "And already at a distance of 30-40 km from the target, the speed can drop to 2,5-3M" ////
                  ----
                  Then there is no question. If the rocket slows down 30-40 km in front of the target
                  to the usual supersonic sound, you can aim it at the target in the usual ways.
                  But the missile defense system can also bring it down in the usual way.
                  1. Kasym
                    Kasym 19 August 2020 18: 57 New
                    +1
                    Alexey, in my opinion, it is possible to control a rocket at high speed due to impulse correction (RCIC-technology - international designation, general designer V.S. Vishnevsky; Smelchak ammunition). I am confident that hypersonic missiles will slow down in the final segment. Even if the rocket drops 40-50 km. to the target speed up to 4M, then the "reaction" remains about half a minute. Detect, classify, capture a target and launch your anti-missile or projectile in such a period of time ... the probability of being hit is very small. hi
                  2. Ka-52
                    Ka-52 20 August 2020 04: 19 New
                    +2
                    to the usual supersonic sound, you can aim it at the target in the usual ways.
                    But the missile defense system can also bring it down in the usual way.

                    can. But the reaction time will be catastrophically short. It is not enough to detect it, you still need to identify and give target designation. The rocket will fly a distance of 30 km at a speed of 2,8M in 36 seconds.
                2. We are for our
                  We are for our 19 August 2020 16: 34 New
                  -5
                  firstly, the rocket flies along the INS
                  without radio correction with the appropriate accuracy "+/- bast".
                  and only shortly before hitting it can make adjustments.
                  those. before entering the missile defense zone, this wunderwaffe reduces the speed to supersonic and turns into an ideal low-maneuverable target? This is genius!
                  For this, the "window" provided by the method of radio communication through the plasma envelope using a pulsed electric field is sufficient.
                  it is even more abruptly developed by ROFAR. You would also learn to keep in touch with the help of a torsion field, all the pendos will envy you)))
                  1. Ka-52
                    Ka-52 20 August 2020 04: 26 New
                    +2
                    without radio correction with the appropriate accuracy "+/- bast".

                    read carefully, and not just what prompts you to stupid comments.
                    those. before entering the missile defense zone, this wunderwaffe reduces the speed to supersonic and turns into an ideal low-maneuverable target? This is genius!

                    just brilliantly, without any silly sarcasm. Above, the warrior already wrote that the reaction time of 35 seconds is not enough for the reaction of the missile defense system.
                    it is even more abruptly developed by ROFAR. You would also learn to keep in touch with the help of a torsion field, all the pendos will envy you)))

                    tell this to German scientists who, 5 years ago, experimentally achieved the effect of breaking through a window in a plasma layer. Although who am I saying this to? So if only to tear the throat from the fence
                    1. We are for our
                      We are for our 20 August 2020 10: 10 New
                      -1
                      the reaction time of 35 seconds is not enough for the reaction of the missile defense system.
                      Firstly: in 35 seconds, a fighter manages to get up, refuel and line up, and even this time will be enough for digital brains and an anti-missile to intercept.
                      Secondly, the radars will detect a hypersonic rocket flying in the stratosphere from the maximum range, and this is already a few minutes count, even for the not very new SPY-1.
                      tell it to german scientists
                      in such matters I somehow trust astrologers and British scientists more.
                      The fact is that not a single hypersonic device has yet implemented a communication system through a plasma. undoubtedly, someday this problem will be solved, but it will clearly not be done by the "kulibins" from the basement institutes, which in our time are only able to eat up the Soviet legacy, and this technology will definitely not be implemented on the mythical carpet-flying, which exists only in the words of thieving bureaucrats ...
                      1. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 20 August 2020 10: 26 New
                        +2
                        Firstly: in 35 seconds, a fighter manages to get up, refuel and line up, and even this time will be enough for digital brains and an anti-missile to intercept.

                        Are you the warrant officer of the command post with ArlieBerk's EM? let's arguing how long will it take you from the moment the mark appears until the transfer of target designation. How many pants the fighter is wearing is you tell your girlfriends.
                        I somehow trust astrologers and British scientists more with such questions.

                        well, when the horizon is not wider than a hole in the toilet, then only astrologers have to believe laughing
                        This will clearly not be done by the "kulibins" from the basement institutes, which in our time are only able to eat up the Soviet legacy, and this technology will definitely not be implemented on the mythical flying carpet, which exists only in the words of the thieving bureaucrats.

                        The German Aerospace Center (Deutsches Zentrum für Luft- und Raumfahrt; DLR) and a research group from Stanford University in California are semi-basement kulibins eating away at the Soviet past? Apparently you were unsuccessfully dropped from the stove in childhood fool
              3. venik
                venik 19 August 2020 20: 01 New
                +2
                Quote: voyaka uh
                At hypersonic speed, a cocoon of plasma forms around the rocket, which does not transmit radio waves

                =========
                First: not "non-transmitting", but "absorbing", more precisely - "stopping" radio waves. I hope you understand the difference?
                Secondly: the characteristics of the plasma cloud depend not only on the flight speed (why the actual concept of "hypersound" is considered very relative -> 5M is only a generally accepted "standard"), but also on a bunch of other parameters, namely:
                - on the density of the atmosphere (and hence the flight altitude);
                - on the state of the atmosphere (including saturation with vapors and electrification);
                - from aircraft skin material:
                - on the quality of its processing;
                - and finally, the plasma permeability depends on the wavelength of the EM radiation.
                -----
                Summary: in order for the GZ rocket to aim at the target, it is not necessary at all
                Quote: voyaka uh
                slow down to supersonic at the terminal site

                It is quite possible that the rocket on the cruise section is flying at a very high altitude (for example 50 km) and low hypersonic speeds (5M-6M), when the plasma cloud ("cocoon") may well be permeable to a sufficiently powerful radar. After detecting the target and calculating the "meeting point", the missile can attack the target, performing anti-aircraft maneuvers, and accelerating on a descent ....... The radar in this case is no longer needed - the target (a large surface ship, for example) will no longer have time deviate from the course for a sufficient distance due to the extremely short "approach" time). At very small distances, you can use magnetic correction ...... Somewhere like that! hi
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 19 August 2020 23: 35 New
                  -2
                  "After detecting the target and calculating the" meeting point ", the missile can attack the target, performing anti-aircraft maneuvers" ///
                  -----
                  What you have listed, even for subsonic missiles, is not an easy task. belay
                  Where is the computer that will calculate the meeting point? Only on the ground.
                  The target is detected either by radar or IG video.
                  Supersonic Brahmos (3 MAX) detects a target with its radar
                  after preliminary inertial aiming.
                  But the Barak-8 missile defense missile on a head-on course is quite capable of shooting it down.
                  This was tested in India, which has both Brahmos and Barak.
                  If Zircon slows down to the speed of Brahmos, then there is a possibility
                  to intercept him towards. If it doesn't slow down, then he has a problem
                  hit the target.
                  There is a possibility that Zircon is Brahmos with an added booster,
                  which throws it up to 30 km and accelerates to hyperspeed.
                  1. venik
                    venik 20 August 2020 12: 07 New
                    +2
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    Where is the computer that will calculate the meeting point? Only on the ground.

                    =======
                    Only on earth ??? belay And how then do the missiles work with the active radar of the seeker ??? what Better not tell my sneakers! The "three-point" guidance algorithm has long been worked out and does not require any "super-computers"!
                    -----------
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    If Zircon slows down to the speed of Brahmos, then there is an opportunity to intercept him towards. If it does not slow down, then he has a problem hitting the target.

                    ========
                    Did you CAREFULLY read my comment? Looks like NO! Read it again!
                    ------------
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    There is a possibility that Zircon is Brahmos with an added booster that throws it up to 30 km and accelerates it to hyperspeed.

                    ========
                    WHAT is "Brahmos"? It looks like you don't know! "Brahmos" is just Indian version of the Yakhont missile (an export simplified version of the Onyx anti-ship missile system with a firing range "cut down" to 300 km (requirements of the international "Agreement on the Limitation of the Proliferation of Missile Technologies")), adapted to the real capabilities of Indian technologies.
                    Could Zircon be a booster version of Brahmos? Definitely - NO! Even a version of the much more advanced and long-range "Onyx" - also CANNOT be!
                    The reasons:
                    a) - the "Onyx" engine - does not provide a gas jet outflow speed of 8 - 12 M! There it is approx. 3M! So the engine is UNIFORMAL - other!
                    b) - aerodynamics of flight at hypersonic speed is very different from that for supersonic speeds (approx. 3M). This means that the shape of the aircraft itself should be SIGNIFICANTLY different from the "licked" shape of "Onyx" / "Yakhont" / "Brahmos"!
                    c) - a long flight even in the upper layers of the stratosphere at hypersonic speeds leads to a stronger heating of the aircraft surface, in comparison with all of the above missiles. Conclusion construction materials are needed - OTHER (more heat-resistant and less heat-conducting)!
                    The above alone is enough to understand statements like "
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    Zircon - this is Brahmos (Yakhont / Onyx) with an added booster
                    - there is TOTAL CRAZY! hi bully
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 20 August 2020 13: 03 New
                      +1
                      "So the shape of the aircraft itself should be SIGNIFICANTLY different from the" licked "shape of" Onyx "/" Yakhont "/" Bramos "////
                      ----
                      You quite rightly noticed this. good
                      But not a single photo, unfortunately.
                      Even the most approximate photo from afar.
                      And there is no information that for Zircon some kind of
                      a special launch container that matches its special shape.
                      1. 3danimal
                        3danimal 20 August 2020 13: 28 New
                        +1
                        The possibility of launching this rocket from the UKSK cell is widely stated. request
                      2. venik
                        venik 22 August 2020 11: 40 New
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                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        But not a single photo, unfortunately.
                        Even the most approximate photo from afar.

                        ========
                        There is even no reliable data. As for the appearance, it is believed that he very close to the layout of the promising Russian-Indian rocket "BrahMos-II", presented at the exhibition in 2007. This version is also supported by the fact that some American prototypes had a very similar shape.

                        There, actually, from the Indians, funding was mainly required. But they left this project without entering it ..... They decided to save money .... Now they will get "fig-you"!
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                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        And there is no information that a special launch container was developed for Zircon, corresponding to its special shape.

                        =========
                        So it is NOT! It is launched from a standard (or slightly modified) UVP 3S14 (by the way, this is what made it possible to estimate the mass-dimensional characteristics of the rocket).
            2. 3danimal
              3danimal 19 August 2020 13: 10 New
              +2
              For any anti-ship missiles, target designation is needed when launched at an over-the-horizon range. Warships are very mobile and can only be reliably tracked from a satellite at the pier.
              1. Orange bigg
                Orange bigg 19 August 2020 13: 19 New
                +3
                Yes, as it were, anti-ship missiles, especially hypersonic ones, are much more mobile than ships.
                1. Podvodnik
                  Podvodnik 19 August 2020 14: 31 New
                  +4
                  much more mobile than ships.


                  RCC is much more mobile. Right. But how do you know where to shoot? How to find out the elements of the target's movement and work out the shooting data if the target is 500 kilometers, for example? It is for this that external target designation from reconnaissance systems is needed (if their means do not see the target). If there is no reconnaissance, long-range shooting is impossible. To launch an anti-ship missile, you need to know the course, speed and distance to the target. Develop and enter firing data, launch. And if the white light is like a pretty penny, then there will be no sense.
                  1. 3danimal
                    3danimal 19 August 2020 16: 31 New
                    +1
                    Clear and to the point good
                  2. hydrox
                    hydrox 20 August 2020 07: 43 New
                    +1
                    For this, Russia needs to have 2-4 squadrons of A-100, so that at the right time in the right area there will be at least one AWACS aircraft - in fact, in a good way, Premier d. patrolmen, if the number of interceptions has already increased to 2 per day - it will not be less until the trampoline calms down.
          3. Ka-52
            Ka-52 19 August 2020 11: 00 New
            +7
            doctor of military sciences Konstantin Sivkov

            this subject has nothing to do with the NPO "Mechanical Engineering. He can declare something about the performance characteristics only on the basis of a finger in the sky. He is a military analyst-political scientist and can talk about technical aspects the same way I do about ballet
            Accurate target designation of the Zircon is possible, first of all, if there are developed means of sea, air and space reconnaissance, which modern Russia does not have.

            I wonder why he does not say the same about the "Brahmos", developed by the same Mashstroy, and having a similar flight range at a speed of 3M? Or does he consider him a dummy too?
        3. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 19 August 2020 12: 30 New
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          Quote: Victor_B
          Quote: _Ugene_
          What she can and cannot, the general public will not know

          But no one knows a damn thing what Zircon is either.


          Especially for you information about Zircon from the translation of the same article "Xinhua".
          The length of the body of the Zircon hypersonic missile is from 8 to 11 meters, the weight of the warhead is from 300 to 400 kg, the flight speed reaches Mach 9, the flight range can exceed a thousand kilometers, and the maximum flight altitude is more than 30 km. The flight speed of Mach 9 already puts the rocket on a par with the world's leading hypersonic weapons.

          The Zircon missile has great power and is able to maneuver when approaching the target, thereby more effectively evading missile defense systems. In addition, it has powerful stealth characteristics, as the plasma stealth shield on the outside of the hull can absorb radar waves. The super-fast flight speed, combined with its powerful anti-aircraft penetration capability and stealth, gives the Zircon hope to become Russia's "trump card" in armaments.

          Russia started developing the Zircon hypersonic missiles back in 2011. It uses the versatile Russian vertical launcher 3C-14, which significantly saves time and costs for installation and maintenance.

          https://inosmi.ru/military/20200819/247951265.html
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 19 August 2020 12: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: _Ugene_
        What she can and cannot, the general public will not know

        And rightly so. Let them be at a loss and shake in a nervous chill.
        Honestly, putting a hand on your heart, the general public does not even know the combat capabilities of the S-400.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 20 August 2020 08: 28 New
          +1
          It is enough that the Russian narrow, but rather active public of the VO realizes that the combat capabilities of the S-400 are quite enough to provide at least 90% protection of the Russian territory from the Tridents (meaning the protected territories of megacities (the rest you don't have to be afraid at all!)).
          And the main thing is that after the first blow on our territory, the survivors can safely raise a toast "To Victory!", Because by this moment there will be no one alive who can spoil the nerves and mood of the Russians because of a puddle - true, and the rest will have to be attached somewhere, employed. laughing laughing
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 20 August 2020 08: 43 New
            0
            Quote: hydrox
            after the first blow to our territory, the survivors can safely raise a toast "To Victory!", because by this moment there will be no one alive who can spoil the nerves and mood of the Russians because of a puddle

            yes The main thing is that they (winners) do not give offspring with two heads or one eye ...
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 20 August 2020 17: 40 New
              +1
              I don’t know, Syrokhima and Nenasaki somehow don’t pedal this issue - it means that the Americans will manage.
              And we will generally be on the border of the statistical error, since the ichon YaBG are filled with rotten plutonium (modern technologies for the purification of fissile materials are available only at gas stations!)lol
      3. 3danimal
        3danimal 19 August 2020 13: 05 New
        +1
        maneuvering hypersonic

        It depends on what kind of overload. It will not exceed 20g, at high speed it will give very little deviation.
        Such a large rocket cannot withstand a large overload.
    2. Normal
      Normal 19 August 2020 10: 13 New
      0
      Yours doesn't count)
    3. gurzuf
      gurzuf 19 August 2020 10: 45 New
      0
      Do all hypersonic targets have the same performance characteristics?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 19 August 2020 11: 27 New
        +6
        Hypersonic missiles are divided into ballistic and cruise missiles.
        The first ones fly in space and attack the target almost vertically downward.
        These are ICBMs (like Yars) and medium and short-range ballistic missiles (like Iskander).
        The second - winged - or 1) glide from space (gliders), or 2) fly
        in the atmosphere.
        An example of the former is the Vanguard. Example of the second - ... there is no example, they are not yet available
        into service with any country. There are test samples.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 19 August 2020 15: 22 New
          +1
          I'm embarrassed to ask, are hypersonic missiles from air defense systems like the S-400 ballistic or cruise, based on your classification?
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 20 August 2020 08: 35 New
            +1
            You are rightly shy: there is even less data about hypersonic (GZ) defensive air defense systems than about GZ offensive weapons.
    4. venik
      venik 19 August 2020 19: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Victor_B
      At the same time, it is argued that the S-500 can confidently shoot down hypersonic targets.

      =========
      And the Americans already have S-500 ??? belay
  2. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 19 August 2020 10: 03 New
    0
    The Russian Zircon missile is so fast that no existing missile defense system is capable of intercepting it.

    no, it's all cartoons
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      1. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 19 August 2020 18: 38 New
        -2
        zircon tests completed, now in series
        1. We are for our
          We are for our 19 August 2020 20: 11 New
          -3
          And you "know" all this solely from the words of unworthy officials and the military.
          Perhaps you yourself are embarrassed for such gullible naivety.
          1. _Ugene_
            _Ugene_ 19 August 2020 22: 56 New
            +2
            well, you probably participate in the development and know everything first-hand? we all receive information from open sources, do you suggest not to believe anything at all?
            1. We are for our
              We are for our 20 August 2020 09: 34 New
              +1
              Quote: _Ugene_
              you are probably involved in the development and know everything first-hand?

              Why, if the state itself is more than accountable in open sources for the real success?
              suggesting not to believe anything at all?
              Of course, only knowledge is power. Nobody forbids you to independently absorb information, compare it, analyze it.
              1. _Ugene_
                _Ugene_ 20 August 2020 09: 36 New
                0
                Why, if the state itself is more than accountable in open sources for the real success?

                Perhaps you yourself are embarrassed for such gullible naivety.
                1. We are for our
                  We are for our 20 August 2020 09: 44 New
                  +1
                  Here's an example of what a government report for real-life successes looks like:
                  and here's an example of throwing dust in your eyes:
                  "Zircon", possessing great power, is able to maneuver, bypassing enemy missile defense systems. And even if they manage to shoot it down, by this moment it will be so close to the enemy ship that the debris of the rocket will damage it. The presence of stealth characteristics also helps it overcome missile defenses.

                  Do not confuse.
                  1. _Ugene_
                    _Ugene_ 20 August 2020 13: 45 New
                    0
                    Here's an example of what a government report for real-life successes looks like:

                    And you believed this picture from the officials? Into this propaganda and powdering the brain? Perhaps you yourself are embarrassed for such gullible naivety.
                    1. We are for our
                      We are for our 20 August 2020 14: 58 New
                      0
                      Will I believe in a bunch of photo-video material if it fits perfectly with the laws of physics and the available scientific and technical capabilities? - Yes, I will.
                      Perhaps you yourself are embarrassed for such gullible naivety.
                      As far as I understand, this phrase really hurt you. Well, this is even good, in my understanding there is nothing wrong with her.
                      1. _Ugene_
                        _Ugene_ 21 August 2020 09: 36 New
                        0
                        The point is that we all draw information from open sources and in most cases it is impossible to confirm its reliability. Who will post you a "bunch of photo-video material" about testing the most modern weapons that are just being put into service? It's absurd, if they publish false ones, to misinform a potential enemy. So it turns out that with your approach we simply do not believe anything.
  3. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 19 August 2020 10: 07 New
    -2
    ... not capable of intercepting any of the existing missile defense systems ...

    So I wondered why to be surprised. It's time to get used to it.
    1. Roman246810
      Roman246810 19 August 2020 10: 59 New
      -8
      Why get used to it .. anyway, there is no one to shoot with it ..
      What is, what is not .. Barmaleev will not wet with Zircons ..))
      1. vkl.47
        vkl.47 19 August 2020 11: 40 New
        +2
        Barmaleev can be wiped out with ordinary bombs. This missile on those who have air defense pro. Withdraw radar and command staffs. First strike weapon. That would blind and decapitate the enemy.
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 19 August 2020 10: 11 New
    +2
    The Russian Zircon missile is so fast that it cannot be intercepted by any of the existing missile defense (ABM) weapons, including the US missile defense.

    They will, they will look for ways to neutralize ... not necessarily that they will look for means to repel, rather, means to prevent a start, a retaliatory strike in general!
  5. set of sets
    set of sets 19 August 2020 10: 17 New
    -11 qualifying.
    Lasers need to be made that will incinerate any missile. Then there will still be hypersound or some other sound. The main thing is to notice in time and it's in the bag.))
    1. Titus_2
      Titus_2 19 August 2020 11: 07 New
      +7
      So in order to incinerate you need to find, and then also point. Take a laser pointer and try to accompany the sparrow with it.
      1. set of sets
        set of sets 19 August 2020 11: 19 New
        -4
        The advantages of a laser over other air defense systems are in instantaneous target achievement. And the computer will direct, not the person.
      2. set of sets
        set of sets 19 August 2020 12: 44 New
        -4
        Moreover, you do not need to accompany. You just need to hit the sparrow with a pointer for a split second. And then an incinerating ray comes out. That is, everything happens simultaneously.
        You can even wave the pointer chaotically, but as soon as it hits the target, it will immediately destroy it.
  6. Free wind
    Free wind 19 August 2020 10: 23 New
    -13 qualifying.
    Something I remember anecdote about the elusive cowboy. And why he is elusive, but because he fucking nobody needs. How can you bring down something that is not?
    1. set of sets
      set of sets 19 August 2020 10: 34 New
      +2
      Do you have information from trusted sources? And then suddenly you say no, but take it and eat it. So trust people after that.))
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 19 August 2020 10: 43 New
        -13 qualifying.
        Of course there is, and of course all of America is terrified writing letters of resignation, and shaking in fear under the cacti. One figure comes to mind, the worse things were, the more he puffed up his cheeks and spoke about the miracle of weapons. something to me one gavrik. He reminds him of this figure, only now he killed a lot of people. Maybe it's better to shoot in advance, like a mad dog?
        1. set of sets
          set of sets 19 August 2020 10: 53 New
          -4
          That is, then no. You at least decide finally))
        2. Roman246810
          Roman246810 19 August 2020 11: 00 New
          -7
          all America in horror writes letters of resignation, and in fear shakes under the cacti

          Well, what .. many people really believe in it ..
        3. Ka-52
          Ka-52 19 August 2020 11: 08 New
          +5
          Of course there is, and of course all America is terrified and writes resignation letters

          your amereka herself likes to shake with a cudgel in the form of an aircraft carrier group off the coast of yet another rebellious oil republic. So roll your sarcasm into a tube and so on ...
          1. Free wind
            Free wind 19 August 2020 11: 23 New
            -7
            The United States itself has enormous oil reserves. And Canada is the second country in the world in terms of proven oil reserves. Well, judging by the electrification of the whole world, oil is not the most desirable fossil.
            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 19 August 2020 12: 05 New
              +3
              oil is not the most coveted fossil.

              yes, Iraq and Libya were invaded solely because their rulers were not democratic dictators laughing I really thought such dense people were extinct, but you are nevertheless well preserved laughing
          2. Podvodnik
            Podvodnik 19 August 2020 14: 37 New
            +1
            with a club in the form of an aircraft carrier group off the coast


            As far as I remember, they promised to drive them to the shores of Belarus. We are waiting, sir.
        4. Free wind
          Free wind 19 August 2020 11: 18 New
          -5
          I actually wrote about Jean Bokassu. There was such a figure in Africa who ate his opponents. Or do you like this cannibal so much?
          1. Ka-52
            Ka-52 19 August 2020 11: 24 New
            +4
            I actually wrote about Jean Bokassu.

            and in what way did Bokassa provoke America to a general dismissal? Where are you lying?
            By the way, Bokassa was a pioneer of the USSR, but cannibalism was never proven to him. He fed his pets with opponents, that's a fact
          2. Free wind
            Free wind 19 August 2020 12: 19 New
            -7
            You are just a non-human eating people.
          3. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 19 August 2020 12: 38 New
            +3
            Quote: Free Wind
            Janet Bokassu. There was such a figure in Africa who ate his opponents. Or do you like this cannibal so much?

            If he was a cannibal, then he is very similar to the Anglo-American elite in spirit ...
  7. Alien From
    Alien From 19 August 2020 10: 47 New
    +3
    Only the press can intercept this missile)))
  8. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 19 August 2020 10: 53 New
    +2
    Xinhua is already close to completing work on Zircon. And when Zhemin Daily writes, then the work is already clearly completed and the Chinese comrades want Zircon. No, first of all! And so in turn ... repeat
    1. Vladimir_6
      Vladimir_6 19 August 2020 14: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Xinhua is already close to completing work on Zircon. And when Zhemin Daily writes, then the work is already clearly completed and the Chinese comrades want Zircon. No, first of all! And so in turn ... repeat

      And "Sohu" will find the flaws and write. that the Chinese counterpart is superior to Zircon. laughing
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 19 August 2020 17: 31 New
        +1
        After the article in Zhemin Daily, everyone in China stands at attention and sings the hymn with tears of emotion. wink
  9. Roman246810
    Roman246810 19 August 2020 10: 57 New
    -3
    even if they manage to shoot him down, he will by this moment be so close to the enemy ship that the debris of the rocket will damage him

    In 30 meters, what if you shoot down ??
    IMHO, just so close it is unrealistic to shoot down .. even an anti-missile missile will not have time to start ..
    But if it is even a second earlier, it will already be kilometers from the target ..
  10. iouris
    iouris 19 August 2020 11: 22 New
    +1
    ... however, if you sink the ship, you won't have to intercept the missile.
  11. Angelo Provolone
    Angelo Provolone 19 August 2020 11: 23 New
    -1
    glory to Soviet education ...
  12. 3danimal
    3danimal 19 August 2020 11: 57 New
    +1
    The problem is that a rocket flying at a height is quite confidently intercepted. For example, SM-6. At sea level, flying on hypersound will not work.
    From all available information: Zircon is either the Yakhont / Brahmos development ("high" supersonic), or an Iskander-style ballistic missile. There is no confirmation for the installation of a scramjet engine, then questions of its placement in the UKSK cell will immediately arise.
    Photos are not posted (only pictures of the American X-51), since the type of engine will be immediately clear from them.
    The most successful anti-ship missile concept in the Russian Federation is the version of the two-stage Caliber, with acceleration in the final section to 3M. Long range (thanks to economical subsonic flight) and difficulty of interception when approaching the target.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 19 August 2020 12: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: 3danimal
      that a rocket flying at a height is quite confidently intercepted. For example, SM-6. H


      You were wrong again
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal 19 August 2020 13: 02 New
        -1
        Perhaps, but I would like to hear arguments.
        Modern air defense systems can intercept ballistic missiles (short and medium range) in the final phase.
        The same is stated for the SM-6.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 19 August 2020 13: 47 New
          +2
          Do you have any proof that the SM-6 can intercept an MRBM at a speed of approximately 2-3 km / s? Zhdems
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal 19 August 2020 16: 37 New
            0
            28.07.2015/6/XNUMX The US Navy successfully tested a modified version of the SM-XNUMX Dual I missile capable of intercepting ballistic targets.

            https://missilery.info/missile/standard-6
            There are also links to sources (Raytheon, Rockedyne, Navy.mil)
            It is strange that you doubted. We have been in service for a long time with complexes capable of intercepting high-speed (2100-2400 m / s) objects. At least from the other side should be no more stupid. (The same SM-3 was made)
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 19 August 2020 16: 46 New
              0
              Quote: 3danimal
              https://missilery.info/missile/standard-6


              And how did you get it?
              And then somehow it is not even clear ..!
              4.12.2016/6/53 The US Navy, with the support of the US Missile Defense Agency, conducted the first test of the SM-9 Dual I anti-aircraft missile to intercept a target simulating an intermediate-range ballistic missile. The launch took place off the coast of Hawaii from the USS John Paul Jones (DDG 1) destroyer equipped with the Aegis baseline XNUMX.CXNUMX system. Two missiles were fired at the target.

              Result?!

              30.08.2017/53/6 From the USS John Paul Jones (DDG 9.1) destroyer, two SM-5.0 Dual I interceptor missiles were launched at a target simulating a medium-range ballistic missile. During the test, recognition, target acquisition, tracking were performed, and two interceptor missiles were launched. During the tests, the Aegis Baseline XNUMX (BMD XNUMXCU) Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) combat control complex was used.

              Result?!
    2. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 19 August 2020 13: 50 New
      +2
      From all available information: Zircon is either the Yakhont / Brahmos development ("high" supersonic), or an Iskander-style ballistic missile. There is no confirmation for the installation of a scramjet engine, then questions of its placement in the UKSK cell will immediately arise.

      Do you have any questions about the placement of Iskander in the UKSK?
      Photos are not posted (only pictures of the American X-51),

      Photos have been online for a long time. Fill in the search engine Brahmos 2. Brahmos is Onyx, cut by capabilities, and Bramos 2 is Zircon cut by capabilities.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 19 August 2020 23: 45 New
        -1
        I think so too. Zircon is the development of Brahmos. Added booster,
        to throw it to a height of 30 km. From there - flight and then gliding with braking.
  13. IC
    IC 19 August 2020 12: 09 New
    +1
    Cloudy message. The Chinese cannot know anything specifically. What a stealth technology when a rocket flies in a corona of plasma. The maneuverability with ramjet engines at such speeds is questionable.
    Or is there a fundamentally different technology.
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 19 August 2020 13: 02 New
      0
      It is unlikely that the engine is straight-through.
  14. 3danimal
    3danimal 19 August 2020 13: 07 New
    -1
    Russian Zircon rocket is so fast

    Not faster than a BRMD / IRBM.
  15. 123456789
    123456789 19 August 2020 13: 17 New
    +2
    Quote: WIKI
    one target in the "operatively important areas of the World Ocean, significant for Russia," the four satellites of the "Liana" system will be able to view only "twice a day with a probable duration of a session no more than six to nine minutes. "

    Answer: According to Lewis Carroll, a clock that does not run at all is better: it shows the exact time twice a day,
  16. 123456789
    123456789 19 August 2020 13: 45 New
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Hypersonic missiles are divided into ballistic and cruise missiles.
    The first ones fly in space and attack the target almost vertically downward.
    These are ICBMs (like Yars) and medium and short-range ballistic missiles (like Iskander).
    The second - winged - or 1) glide from space (gliders), or 2) fly
    in the atmosphere.
    An example of the former is the Vanguard. Example of the second - ... there is no example, they are not yet available
    into service with any country. There are test samples.

    Hypersonic weapon - a missile weapon capable of flying in the atmosphere at a hypersonic speed (greater than or equal to 5 M) and maneuvering using aerodynamic forces.
    1. We are for our
      We are for our 19 August 2020 16: 46 New
      -2
      Hypersonic weapon - a missile weapon capable of flying in the atmosphere at a hypersonic speed (greater than or equal to 5 M) and maneuvering using aerodynamic forces.
      It should also be mentioned that the only hypersonic vehicles in the world that have proven the ability to support hypersonic flight are:
      -American X-43
      -American X-51
      Все.
      Others are either on mock-ups and digital models, or are known only from the promises of deceitful officials.
      Such is America's hypersonic lag behind Russia, which patriots talk about every day.
  17. gguess
    gguess 19 August 2020 14: 06 New
    -5
    The lower the probability of intercepting a missile, the higher the likelihood of the preventive destruction of its carrier or even the owner country ...
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 19 August 2020 15: 31 New
      +3
      Sumerians derived a new formula in mathematics?
  18. Old26
    Old26 19 August 2020 20: 57 New
    0
    Quote: _Ugene_
    but maneuvering hypersonic ones are very unlikely

    How do you imagine a maneuver at a speed of 9M? Will it give out the same somersaults as the fighter?

    Quote: Ka-52
    And already at a distance of 30-40 km from the target, the speed can be dropped to 2,5-3M. In this case, it is possible to correct the flight both with the help of its own radar, and with a signal from the outside.

    But at the same time, Andrey, the rocket ceases to have hypersonic speed. And what, the adversary has already forgotten how to shoot down supersonic targets? The Xinhua article is generally not clear about what.

    Quote: Kasym
    Even if the rocket drops 40-50 km. to the target speed up to 4M, then the "reaction" remains about half a minute. Detect, classify, lock on a target and launch your anti-missile or projectile in such a period of time ... the probability of being hit is very small.

    You just forget that the flight altitude of a hypersonic missile is about 35-45 km. Therefore, the entire procedure for detecting, classifying and capturing a target has already been carried out by that time. It only remains to "wait" for the speed to drop to supersonic and launch an anti-missile ...

    Quote: Undaunted
    Avant-garde, by the way, as many as 2 pieces and will no longer be, a dead-end branch, purely PR. He did not pass all the test stages. But for the sake of solidity, everyone was told that it was already in service. Everything that cannot be checked and poked at Putin is in service.

    How much is in service now - HZ. At the time of staging, the starting minimum was set. And this is 2 PU and KP. In total, judging by open data, it is planned to deploy as many as 2 regiments on these missiles (100N UTTH). And this is 12 pieces.
    I completely agree that I did not pass all the test stages. Not only that, only 5 tests were carried out (and two measures were unsuccessful_, so they were carried out along the route, which is viewed by the Americans and this product could hardly do any maneuvers in order not to reveal real possibilities.

    Quote: _Ugene_
    zircon tests completed, now in series

    Already??????? Fired twice from a frigate and finished all tests ??? And they are not going to start up from the submarine? So that on "Ash" will be in the future "Zircon" - linden ???
    1. c2020
      c2020 19 August 2020 22: 30 New
      -4
      The Zircon missile will not be able to intercept any of the existing missile defense systems

      A similar story with the elusive Joe, who is therefore elusive because no one needs ...