Belarusian Ambassador to Slovakia who supported protests resigns

Belarusian Ambassador to Slovakia Igor Leshchenya, who previously held the post of assistant to President Alexander Lukashenko, has resigned. This is due to his support for the protesters.

This is a logical step, since, as an ambassador, I have been appointed by the current president and it is assumed that I must pursue the policy determined by him.

- the ambassador explained his act.

Leshchenya also added that his leadership in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs believes that his opinion on protests against the current president of the country does not fit into the status of a diplomatic worker.

At the moment, Igor Leshchenya continues to fulfill his duties, since Lukashenka has not yet signed a decree on depriving the ambassador of his powers. As the diplomat explained at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Belarus, only the one who appointed him, that is, the head of state, can dismiss the ambassador. This also applies to the “recuses” of diplomatic representatives.

On August 16, he recorded a video in which he addressed the Belarusian protesters and expressed his support to them. Thus, he decided to express his civic position, saying that the beatings and torture of peaceful protesters by the security forces had shocked him.

At the same time, some saw in such a video message a political force, while others considered that for Leshchenya, first of all, approval from the West was important.

Comments

[New Year day]

The first one went. Bricks from the system began to fall out

[SRC P-15]

Belarusian Ambassador to Slovakia who supported protests resigns

Lukashenka should have replaced this ambassador long ago! He became pro-Western and civilized too much! And now he just fills his own price In general, an ordinary defector.

[Temples]

Quote: Silvestr

The first one went. Bricks from the system began to fall out

This is not a brick.
This is a piece of shit.

[pmkemcity]

Quote: Temples

This is not a brick.
This is a piece of shit.

They make the same bricks from manure.

[Arthur73]

shitty ... smells like ingredients

[postum]

Well, you are certainly not a piece

[Karaul73]

So what is the whole system of Lukashenka built of?

[Alkonavt]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Lukashenka should have replaced this ambassador long ago! He became pro-Western and civilized too much! And now he is simply filling himself with a price. In general, an ordinary defector

Now they all started to open up and it's good .. At least the Old Man understood whom he warmed up on his chest .. And Russia is a real ally! I hope he understood who he was rolling the barrel at, trying to appease the West ..

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Lukashenka should have replaced this ambassador long ago!

The purge of the Foreign Ministry should begin with the Minister of Foreign Affairs. Relations with the EU go to the level of the plinth, and the current minister is not suitable for bringing relations with the Russian Federation to the proper level.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Yes, the Belarusian Foreign Ministry must be thoroughly cleaned. But after!

[Insurgent]

Quote: Silvestr

The first one went. Bricks from the system began to fall out

Prepared in advance "bricks", on command extract from the monolith system

Which, in turn, exposes the miscalculations in the personnel policy of the Arab League.

Let's remember who his Foreign Minister is, and how does he stand out?

[Invoce]

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: Silvestr

The first one went. Bricks from the system began to fall out

Prepared in advance "bricks", on command extract from the monolith system
Which, in turn, exposes the miscalculations in the personnel policy of the Arab League.

Let's remember who his Foreign Minister is and how he stands out ?

The reason for the current situation in Belarus is:
First of all, mistakes in personnel policy, personnel solve all problems, and create them too!
in the second - the desire to fuck everyone and sit on all the chairs at once!
And thirdly - the state is not a collective farm where you can milk the maid Mashka for ..., here you need not only the will, the desire to serve your people (yourself, your loved ones and to ensure the future of Nikolai), but also foresight and anticipation of the situation ... you think in terms of the collective farm, sowing and milk yield - your place is on the collective farm ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: Invoce

If you think in terms of the collective farm, sowing and milk yield, your place is on the collective farm ...

It is clear But now Russia faces the most difficult task of raking all that he has heaped up collective farmer.
Will it be possible to do this so that both the wolves (NATO, the "collective West") are in the stall, and the "sheep" (Belarus) are intact?

[Arthur73]

You already have one peremoga, in Ukraine ... Zelensky, like Poroshenko, who ??? So sit already with your WE in the Square and do not meddle in Russia!

[New Year day]

Quote: Insurgent

Let's remember who his Foreign Minister is, and how does he stand out?

Why did Mazai tell his people about the need to support Luke?

[Insurgent]

Quote: Silvestr

Why did Mazai tell his people about the need to support Luke?

Who is "his"? Open said one thing, behind the scenes does another ...

[New Year day]

Quote: Insurgent

Openly said one thing, behind the scenes doing another ...

We don't know the backstage

[Insurgent]

Quote: Silvestr

We don't know the backstage

So why claim? :

Quote: Silvestr

Why did Mazai tell his people about the need to support Luke?

- if you are not aware of the "deep" role of the foreign minister?

[New Year day]

Quote: Insurgent

So why claim? :

So read the Belarusian press

[_Sergei_]

It's not a brick, but a piece of old plaster that has fallen off. They will make a new one.

[Vend]

Quote: Silvestr

The first one went. Bricks from the system began to fall out

Yes, just hoping to rise on a wave of protest, simple human ambitions. I decided that Lukashenka will be overthrown now, but then we have to live on. I decided to secure my future, but I miscalculated.

[Nikolai Korovin]

This is not a fact yet. For some reason, Lukashenka did not take it off immediately, although he could, in principle. Well, what is there - the ambassador to Slovakia? This is a diplomat. Maybe there is such a delicate calculation that mere mortals can only scratch their turnips.

[APASUS]

Quote: Silvestr

The first one went. Bricks from the system began to fall out

The rats are fleeing the ship!
Usually trusted people are appointed ambassadors

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: APASUS

Quote: Silvestr

The first one went. Bricks from the system began to fall out

The rats are fleeing the ship!
Usually trusted people are appointed ambassadors

For ambassadors, it’s commonplace. They live in another state and assess the situation in their country through the prism of the behavior and moods of the ambassadors of other states, with whom they communicate more often than they are in their homeland.

[pmkemcity]

Quote: Silvestr

The first one went. Bricks from the system began to fall out

This brick has already been put into the new system - the candidate for foreign minister.

[Civil]

It's strange why he didn't go over to the side of Russia

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Silvestr

The first one went. Bricks from the system began to fall out

I'm afraid this is the beginning of the end of Lukashenka’s power. Not that I drowned for him, or was against the rallies, I think the Belarusians should decide for themselves what they want. But let's be objective, there is no worthy replacement (Lukashenko's own fault in the first place), there are few mineral resources in Belarus, in neighboring Ukraine and the Russian Federation it is much better with this, but nevertheless life in Belarus is no worse than in Russia and is clearly better than in Ukraine , the industry is in the hands of the state, no one gave it to privatize it, what happens to the industry that is privatized - Nornickel is an example, and this is still good, although it has crumbled all the lands and waters around it, but at least it is alive. If, with the new government, the land market opens and industry goes into private hands ... you will cry with bitter tears. I sincerely love Belarusians, I'm afraid they might make a mistake

[Tank hard]

Quote: Silvestr

Bricks from the system began to fall out

Doctor, and you also mason?!

[Arthur73]

Whoever they say will call it

[Thompson]

It would be more correct - the first one merged. Didn't guess the melody

[Looking for]

what are you happy about.?

[Kurare]

Belarusian Ambassador to Slovakia Igor Leshchenya, who previously held the post of assistant to President Alexander Lukashenko, has resigned. This is due to his support for the protesters.

Actually, they first resign, and then they express their political opinion. Otherwise, it is a conflict of interest.

[mole]

Why didn't he resign earlier? Just now he rubbed his eyes and saw? Or was he waiting for a favorable moment, like I'm the first in line for a post in the "new cabinet" or, in case of failure, a dissident? I doubt it. In my opinion, the war is already underway, and in a war, he is just one of the enemies of the state.
Truly a feast in time of plague!

[Arthur73]

And if the dad stays? What will he say? Uncle, please zacLantsa ???

[Livonetc]

A chain of correct steps begins to slowly emerge.

[Cowbra]

Self-sawed. Oh wey! Yes, and the other candidates have dissipated in burrows, in foreign countries. This is not the Wild Field ...

[megadeth]

Now they will use him in the West for half a year (because his way home is still "barred") and thrown away ... A traitor at this level ... Questions to the Belarusian KGB ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: megadeth

Questions to the Belarusian KGB ...

Questions to Father After all, firstly, it is HE who is responsible under the Constitution for foreign policy, it is HE who holds the Russophobe Makei as the head of the Foreign Ministry, who in turn manned the diplomatic missions with such uh-uh ...
"material".

[Looking for]

hey. "expert". the embassy is not a diplomatic mission.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Seeker

hey. "expert". the embassy is not a diplomatic mission.

Looking for, Look for the "Connoisseur" in the mirror

The meaning of the word "embassy"
EMBASSY, -a, cf.

1. Diplomatic representation one state in another, headed by an ambassador, as well as a building occupied by such a mission. It's the same diplomatic mission.

[Baloo]

Quote: megadeth

Now they will use him in the West for half a year (because his way home is still "barred") and thrown away ... A traitor at this level ... Questions to the Belarusian KGB ...

So the chief security officer was the first to Lukashkesku and debated the SBU information about the sent Russian saboteurs. And Zyuzya how offended when he found out that the Russians were released! all according to plan....

[Yura]

Quote: Balu

So the chief security officer was the first to Lukashkesku and debated the SBU information about the sent Russian saboteurs. And Zyuzya how offended when he found out that the Russians were released! all according to plan....

Hmm ..., according to plan? It looks like there were more than one of them, let's try to reflect, so: Lukashenko receives information from Ukraine about Russian people sent to Belarus, it turns out that this is an operation organized by the special services of Ukraine and it seems not without the participation of curators from the United States or Europe, maybe both together, it is worth noise in the media, in the shadow of which the work is going on, that is, a natural decision appears about total control of the borders (we remember that there should have been about two hundred zaslanets, whose question is) and here comes the understanding that Belarusians, well, those who are in the forefront rallies and demonstrators were saved from becoming the Belarusian Heavenly Hundred, as it was at one time in the Baltic States, and then in Ukraine. The West is largely silent, they have an understanding that their plan did not work, that is, they are blathering something, but these are not the same active actions on their part as it was in Ukraine, there are no volunteers from the rabble of all of Europe, there is no one to organize and perform bloody provocations. Under the noise of 33 three sent Russian citizens and about 150 more allegedly Russian citizens, the bloody performers should have entered Belarus, but it seems that this did not happen. Here they scold the intelligence and special services, it seems to me groundless. Belarusians are for you - the time will come and a lot will become clear and maybe the undertakers will express their dissatisfaction with Lukashenka that he deprived them of their earnings, and the parents of those who did not become one of the Heavenly Hundreds will thank him. And about Tikhanovskaya, it was the right decision to send her abroad, it was impossible to plant her, much less to allow her to be killed on the territory of the country in order for her to become the commander of the Heavenly Hundred and the banner in the hands of the West in the campaign to the East, there is now do not know what to do with her, she will be a doormat in their hands for a long time out of fear for her future. And whose Games are these? You are right, everything is going according to plan.

[tralflot1832]

The answer is simple. He expects Tikhanovskaya to win. He wants to be Minister of Foreign Affairs, as a sign of gratitude for the betrayal. Well, look at the right horse, otherwise there will be an "honorable" pension.

[rocket757]

The rats started running, this is logical ... here is a candidate for ... but this will not be logical, because you have to excuse yourself from the past! However, there are all kinds of "miracles".

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

The rats are running, that's logical

All the pro-Western negative was exposed.

[rocket757]

Well, yes, they climbed out the tails, which they hid before.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

Well, yes, they climbed out the tails, which they hid before.

You can hide your tails, but you can't put them anywhere.

[rocket757]

Nature, nonsense, skeletons in the closet always fall out.

[pytar]

Respect to Igor Leshchenya! There are people with honor!

[V1er]

Explain, Bulgarian to me, what do you want in the end? Here I am very interested and I want to know very much, what are you doing with this? A riot in Ukraine, a riot in Belarus, what do you want in the end? Create a belt of anti-Russian states and declare war on Russia, the most powerful fragment of the USSR? Or do you even think that Russia itself will fall to pieces? But what do you want with this? Is that really what? What? What? What will you get if the world becomes unipolar, if you have a civil messy Russian state next to you? Than Russia threatens you, this weak country, which makes ends meet. What do you want? Finish off ?! What benefits do you want? If you are from the people, and not for a salary, then write! What do the people of Bulgaria, Belarus, Ukraine get from this? Destruction of half of Eurasia, chaos and war. What's with that? What will NATO do if Russia is gone? To whom money and military bases, where will all this go? Will you fight China? They, not us, they just won't give up there. Study at least their history, at least to understand something. Nobody wants to study history, think with their heads, everyone wants easy cash, money, success, quickly, easily, by killing a neighbor. This is your present and future. What are you trying to achieve? Who needs Bulgaria if in an instant it becomes not the border of Russia, but the ass of Europe? What's with that? As a result, Turkey is bent there. There will also be a coup (I think 100%). What will happen in the end, how do you see a world without Russia and China, led by the United States? Do you think it will be a progressive, prosperous, better world? I will disappoint you, it will be slavery, think logically, Peter, or like you, who cares for a slave to make life better? What for? Meaning? Just put yourself in the shoes of people, when there is one USA in the world and it can bend everyone, where are you going to live normally in this world? No one will ever, remember, never make your life better for you, will not give you anything. Your belief in progress and an ideal world if you defeat the old states is a pure bluff. The benefit is that you all work for free, and at your job 10 people live like kings. So it was 10000 years before you and so it will be after you! It's a pity you can't swear, there are no other words, some emotions! My heart hurts because I can't do anything!

[Selevc]

What do you want? Finish off ?! What benefits do you want?

Dear - I think everything is much simpler ... The whole history of the countries of Eastern Europe is life under someone ... Therefore, like corrupt girls, they are used to being used - and now they willingly give themselves up once again ...

[Doctor]

Explain, Bulgarian to me, what do you want in the end?

Under the Turks want "brothers". We missed the whip and the scimitar.

[Nikolai Korovin]

Yes, they have become so much Turkic over the course of five centuries that the need to be confused about many people there perplexed and caused negative emotions. And just then the Kaiser and the Sultan made friends ... Let's lie down under the Kaiser - he will help.

[V1er]

Any real truth is not beautiful, it is much easier not to think about all this and live in a world of illusions.

[pytar]

Explain, Bulgarian to me, what do you want in the end?

I will explain to you, and to everyone who drool over my comment!
1.I express only my personal opinion! If you have any complaints, please send them to me personally, not to the Bulgarians in general! Events in Belarus do not appear on the top news pages in our country, most of my sonarists do not have an opinion on them and have little interest in them. They know very little about the situation in Belarus, the more informed are those who have friends or relatives there.
2. Opinions are polarized in the Belarusian society! In my impression, most of them stand against Lukashenka, his policies and actions! In that sense, my personal opinion coincides with that of the majority of Belarusians! By the way, I am interested and express my attitude, alone, because I have many friends from this country, and they are all against Lukashenka.
3. Your opinion and others who are writing here to see prices on the forum may be different, it's your right! But why do you immediately pounce on those whose opinions differ from yours? Believe me, it makes me neither cold nor warmer!

[Kurare]

Quote: pytar

I express only my personal opinion!

Boyan, hello.
Expressing your opinion is good when it is supported by arguments. Now, imagine the Bulgarian ambassador to country "X", who sharply expressed himself against the behavior of the power structures at home. What will be your reaction?

Igor Leshchenya used his official position and the fact that he was abroad, they would not get me here, and behaved like a mat, and not like a man of honor! Quit, resign, if you do not agree, and only then rant! What he did was a knife in the back, but not a noble deed.

PS: if you are interested, for an opinion different from mine, in principle, I do not minus, but, as you know, I do not evaluate positively.

[pytar]

Hello Kurare

Expressing your opinion is good when it is supported by arguments.

Here is the argument: A person who, having all the official and personal state privileges, publicly spoke out against the regime and submitted it, losing his guaranteed comfort, deserves respect!

Now, imagine the Bulgarian ambassador to country "X", who sharply expressed himself against the behavior of the power structures at home. What will be your reaction?

I will absolutely support the ego! I will also sharply oppose the authorities if they break the law!

Igor Leshchenya used his official position and the fact that he was abroad, they would not get me here, and behaved like a mat, and not like a man of honor! Quit, resign, if you don't agree, and only then rant!

Did the right thing! Being on such a post, his message was heard much stronger! While doing this, he knew perfectly well that to put a cross on his diplomatic careers! He spoke out and applied for leave, what else do you want?

What he did was a knife in the back, but not a noble deed.

It would be so if Lukashenka did not deceive and betray his people, before that! Disagree with the usurper, do not have a "knife in the back"! Who sees, but is silent, he is an accomplice in crimes! Moreover, Leshchenya declared his position now, when it is not yet clear who will win! This is a noble deed!

[Kurare]

Quote: pytar

A person who, having all the official and personal state privileges, publicly spoke out against the regime and resigned, losing his guaranteed comfort, deserves respect!

But you don't need this expression mode... Why on earth has a regime become in Belarus? Do you also have a regime in Bulgaria? No need to hang labels on everyone.
I do not agree with you, this person used his position for opportunistic purposes. If the booze in Belarus fails, he, again using his position, will ask for asylum. Now, if he resigned, and then condemned the situation - another matter.

Quote: pytar

I will absolutely support the ego!

Sorry, I don't believe it! ..

Quote: pytar

Did the right thing! Being on such a post, his message was heard much stronger!

To this he, as a civil servant, has no right. Uses his official position, etc. (see above)

Quote: pytar

Moreover, Leshchenya announced his position now, when it is not yet clear who will win!

And since he is outside Belarus and if the opposition does not win, he will simply ask for asylum. Yes, hero!

[pytar]

But you don't need this expression mode... Why on earth has a regime become in Belarus?

This concept accurately expresses my attitude towards him. I would call it even tougher!

Do you also have a regime in Bulgaria?

Was until 1990, our irreplaceable "buy Tosho", like that "father".

I do not agree with you, this person used his position for opportunistic purposes.

Your right, I have a different opinion.

Sorry, I don’t believe it !.

Also your right.

To this he, as a civil servant, has no right. Uses his official position, etc.

Legal and moral law do not always coincide.

And since he is outside Belarus and if the opposition does not win, he will simply ask for asylum. Yes, hero!

Or he could just sit out and wait, see who takes it up, right?

[Nikolai Korovin]

"The regime, the system ..." Liberals love to use such words. Give them the haphazard, shapeless, so that it is more convenient to catch fish in troubled waters.

[V1er]

Quote: pytar

I would explain to you, and to everyone who is drooling over my comment!

Firstly, dear Bulgarian, Boyan Ivanov, sorry I did not notice your name right away, I wrote in a hurry, emotionally. Dear Boyan Ivanovich, I have addressed you with specific questions, this is the first, where are the answers to these questions? Where? How do you see the world after the destruction of Russia? But everything goes to this. And how do you see Bulgaria when NATO stops fighting with Russia?
Second, I don’t spit, no one grumbles here, it’s insulting. I just switched to an emotional male conversation. Yes, somewhere I go too far, I admit, but the questions come from the heart, from the heart. Really, I don't understand why people, ordinary people, hard workers, workers, small business owners, their 90% from the state, what are they trying to achieve with this?
You also said that few people know about Lukashenka in your country, that's right, you have your own problems now, full of problems, you, Boyan Iavnochi, are climbing into another country, into another space, how do you know us, what do you understand? In addition to the telegram channels, which will publish only what is PROFITABLE. You were shown the NECESSARY picture and you immediately come to us! Do not! No one will ever publish what they don't like. They will show the picture that provokes you. You divide the world into black and white, but for some reason you choose black as the only correct one, excluding everything else. You don't even want to listen and hear others. You are no different from Lukashenka, you have one point of view. Only the saddest thing is that you are driving along the road, but you don’t know and don’t want to know where it leads. The main thing is to go, the rest is on ...!

[pytar]

Respected , emotions are emotions, but they should not violate the cultural tone of communication! Okay, passed ... On your questions:

I turned to you with specific questions, this is the first, where are the answers to these questions? Where? How do you see the world after the destruction of Russia? But everything goes to this.

Russia will be destroyed only if the whole world is destroyed. Someday, the Sun will explode or something else, then we will all die, but not soon. So, Russia as it was, is and will be! Don't doubt it!

And how do you see Bulgaria when NATO stops fighting with Russia?

NATO and Russia are fighting only in the heads of some alarmist under the influence of propaganda. In real life, no one is going to attack Russia. There is one subtle point - both Western concerns and Russian power circles, it is very beneficial to have an "enemy image"! To the west, under this song, they saw colossal money, and in Russia, the government steals and squanders the country, diverting the attention of the people from the "external enemy"! Classics in the genre, nothing new!

..you, Boyan Iavnochi, are climbing into another country, into another space, how do you know us, what do you understand? In addition to the telegram channels, which will publish only what is PROFITABLE.

What are the telegram channels? I do not use this network, I have never even been to it! I mentioned above that I have many friends in Belarus, see each other often, come to visit! If I read or watch something on the topic, 99% of the Russian information resources!

You don't even want to listen and hear others. You are no different from Lukashenka, you have one point of view. Only the saddest thing is that you are driving along the road, but you don’t know and don’t want to know where it leads. The main thing is to go, the rest is on ...!

Dear, my opinion was formed on the basis of obvious facts: Lukashenka dismissed all competitors in advance! He pursued and pursues all opponents! If only I were confident in my victory and in the support of the people, I would not have so obscured the electoral process! This he deals with censorship over a different opinion! Do you think this is correct?
What is happening now? Lukashenka sees that the people do not trust him, they are suspected of falsification, right? All Belarus is seething, and these people are quiet, calm! A democratically elected ruler, and just a man of honor, what would he do? I would have resigned, I would have delayed new elections, I would have allowed opponents, let them candidates, I would have invited observers from all countries, let them watch so that no one had doubts about the honesty of the choice! But he knows very well that he falsified the elections and usurped the power! He staged a coup in essence! This is a criminal offense punishable by death under the laws of Belarus! That's why he twitches and jumps in panic, and he also has crimes!

[V1er]

I heard you. I will try at a convenient time to analyze your theses and arguments.

[Looking for]

how can you call him "respected" without knowing a person? Rather, it is appropriate to call him. "Ideological opponent." This is in liberalism. And in our opinion. ONLY-ENEMY.

[Revival]

I disagree with you about the exponential history of China, the story of "not giving up" is unenviable.

[V1er]

Hello, Sergey. You probably rely on the history of the Opium Wars, as once everyone had China. So, I came to the conclusion just from the fact that China received a historical cultural lesson, as well as a powerful basis from the USSR. And now, this country will try to avoid its old mistakes. And this country passed its first exam, remembering the yellow armbands and the boxing uprising. The current leadership has simply destroyed these illusions in Tiananmen Square. China has advanced too far for people to rebel, their standard of living and development has been growing exorbitantly on new technologies for a century (which was not the case before). To make them unhappy, you need a service station of good years of stagnation.

[pytar]

And I'll ask you a question, if you don't mind! Do you really believe that Belarus, led by the already inadequate Lukashenka, who is hated by most Belarusians, will make Russia stronger?
I will clarify - I am related to Russia and with all my heart I want Russia to be a strong, successful country in all respects!

[V1er]

Quote: pytar

And I'll ask you a question, if you don't mind! Do you really believe that Belarus, led by the already inadequate Lukashenka, who is hated by most Belarusians, will make Russia stronger?

It won't. Therefore, Lukashenka needs to leave and appoint a pro-Russian candidate. But our leadership does not have the spirit for this. Therefore, for now, Lukashenka, and then time to realize the assumption. The other option is much worse.

[pytar]

It won't. Therefore, Lukashenka needs to leave and appoint a pro-Russian candidate.

Yes, he does not want, or rather cannot leave! So cornered myself! And let the candidates be different! Pro-Russian, pro-Western, and best of all, pro-Belarusian! Let the people choose!

Therefore, for now, Lukashenka, and then time to realize the assumption. The other option is much worse.

This is how dictatorial regimes reach a dead end! Sooner or later, authoritarian systems fail!

[Kurare]

Quote: pytar

Yes, he does not want, or rather cannot leave! So cornered myself! And let the candidates be different! Pro-Russian, pro-Western, and best of all, pro-Belarusian! Let the people choose!

I'll put in my "five cents" - bravo! It is the pro-Belarusian candidate who would not be in the way here. But, as you yourself see, especially in the "west" they have already divided into pro-Western and ... pro-Russian dictator. Ultimately, one goal is to make Belarus a bargaining chip.

And here, oddly enough, I am for Old Man, since everything else is a path into darkness!

[pytar]

And here, oddly enough, I am for Old Man, since everything else is a path into darkness!

Kurare, I see you are an intelligent person! But do you understand that it is not very wise to bet on a broken card? I would recommend Babarik to you, he is from Gazprom, but they never happen ... I think the Kremlin is working with him.

[Kurare]

Welcome.
The problem is that he will not be able to sort out the situation, there is neither charisma nor experience.

In general, the situation is bad. When five years ago he told his friends in Minsk that it was time for Lukashenka to look for a normal receiver and retire, they joked with an anecdote:
"- Alexander Grigorievich, until you become president?
- Here until Kolya and I will be "
Everyone was fine, everyone was happy with the stability.

[pytar]

The problem is that he will not be able to sort out the situation, there is neither charisma nor experience.

I share your opinion. Maybe Babarika is competent, but does not make an impression on a person who can carry people along with him and be a leader.

It's time for Lukashenka to look for a normal receiver and retire, they joked with an anecdote: "- Alexander Grigorievich, until you are president? - Until Kolya I will be"

Belarusians clearly do not like the idea of ​​transforming their country into a kind of North Korea. And the times are not the same, and the geography is different.

Everyone was fine, everyone was happy with the stability.

Stability turns to stagnation when it goes on for too long without change. If there is no evolution, a revolution occurs ...

[iouris]

Quote: pytar

hated by most Belarusians

And I will answer: don’t lie, the majority of Belarusians love Lukashenka. Who will judge us?

[Sanichsan]

good afternoon

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Do you really believe that Belarus, led by the already inadequate Lukashenka, who is hated by most Belarusians, will make Russia stronger?

there is one problem, there are only two forces, the Belarusian Nazis (the opposition raised by Lukashenko himself) and Lukashenko. Lukashenka leaves, this abomination comes under white-red-white flags
which would you choose? fascists with a civil war or a dictator, but more or less controlled and more or less negotiable? I'm not exaggerating. look at Ukraine. the choice is not easy ...
PS
about the leader ... he worked well for Lukashenka, and as soon as the smell of fried food he betrayed him. weather vane and political woman with low social responsibility.
Let me remind you that before the start of pressure on Belarus from the West, he did not make such statements.

[pytar]

Hello, Alexander!

there is one problem, there are only two forces, the Belarusian Nazis (the opposition raised by Lukashenko himself) and Lukashenko. Lukashenka leaves, this abomination comes under white-red-white flags

For the countries on the fault / in the mental sense / between Russia and Europe, initially there is a dilemma! It is routinely conditioned! Ukrainians and Belarusians are heavily russified. For example, most Belarusians communicate with each other in Russian and in the East of Ukraine. These nations are not yet fully formed. There are two possibilities for them - complete russification, or continuation of the process of self-identification. It is clear that the second path meets opposition from Russia, and accordingly, the movement of self-identification usually acquires an anti-Russian tinge. Lukashenka, in this sense, tried to balance. But this model has run out. And a difficult dilemma arises for Russia! The Kremlin probably has spare options. In any case, the transition to a real "union state" is out of the question. Most likely, the Kremlin is going to privatize the Belarusian economy, and thus gain implicit control over Belarus. I suppose the Kremlin's support for Lukashensk is very conditional, and envisages his smooth departure from power, the transfer of a pro-Russian appointee to her, with a guarantee of the physical integrity of the dictator. Lukashenka cannot count on more, I think so.

about the leader ... he worked well for Lukashenka, and as soon as the smell of fried food he betrayed him. weather vane and political woman with low social responsibility.

I absolutely disagree with this opinion. The man made his choice at a time when it is still unclear who will take it up. He made up his mind and announced his choice!

[Sanichsan]

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For the countries on the fault / in the mental sense / between Russia and Europe, initially there is a dilemma! It is routinely conditioned! Ukrainians and Belarusians are heavily russified. For example, most Belarusians communicate with each other in Russian and in the East of Ukraine. These nations are not yet fully formed.

not at all ... there are little growers (Ukrainians, Belarusians, etc.) and great growers, which are one and the same and differ only in their habitat, small Russia or great Russia.
get acquainted with the origin of the same Ukrainians at the beginning of the last century. initially it is a party, not a nationality, and "Ukrainian" is an ideology, not a nationality. Russia's task is to prevent the dismemberment of the Russian people into Ukrainians, Belarusians and others.
How would you personally react to the fact that your granddaughter is taught that she is a granddaughter by nationality, and you are a grandfather and, in general, her enemy?

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I think the Kremlin's support for Lukashensk is very conditional, and envisages his smooth departure from power, the transfer of a pro-Russian protege to her, with a guarantee of the dictator's physical integrity. Lukashenka cannot count on more, I think so.

absolutely true. let's see what he will do in 2-3 months when he can settle the situation in the country. maybe he still hopes to transfer power to his son

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The man made his choice at a time when it is still unclear who will take it up.

already abroad? Venezuela had exactly the same story with the Ambassador to the United States

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He made up his mind and announced his choice!

take a look at the career of this "gentleman". until the smell of a coup d'etat, he conscientiously worked for Lukashenka, and as soon as the breath of a coup d'etat he betrayed. apparently became a victim of propaganda listened to news about 500000 at rallies and strikes in factories and decided it was time to change the owner. ordinary "Vlasov", with the appropriate attitude

[pytar]

not at all ... there are little growers (Ukrainians, Belarusians, etc.) and great growers, which are one and the same and differ only in their habitat, small Russia or great Russia. get acquainted with the origin of the same Ukrainians at the beginning of the last century. initially it is a party, not a nationality and "Ukrainian" is an ideology, not a nationality

Dear Alexander! The processes of the formation of nations, as well as the defragmentation of existing ones and the formation of new nations, are constant trends! This can happen for both internal and external reasons, often they act simultaneously! Each of the subjekts has "historical arguments" whose objectivity is questionable due to the ideological component! But that is not the question! You know, I understand you perfectly well, we have an absolutely similar problem with the so-called. "Macedonians"! I myself am from Macedonia, I am Bulgarian, and my cousin is in Bitola, "Isty Macedon, direct descendant of Alexander the Great"! Terror is real! There is a difference in how we and you look at these kinds of problems! Here it is very appropriate, the article of the ethnic Greek Aleksey Elpiadis, which makes the parallel between the situation Russia-Ukraine and Bulgaria-Macedonia very successful! Read it, I think it will be interesting for you!
https://hurtmann.livejournal.com/841715.html

Russia's task is to prevent the dismemberment of the Russian people into Ukrainians, Belarusians and others.

A perfectly understandable task! I have no objections about the goals! But! Don't you think you are making the same mistakes? Rude interference leads to resistance and strengthening of positions by those who oppose! An example from Ukraine is obvious! Is it not enough for you, and you want to spawn Belarus and turn it against yourself? Why do you need this inadequate Sasha Kolkhozny? All Belarus hates ego!

let's see what he will do in 2-3 months when he can settle the situation in the country. maybe he still hopes to transfer power to his son

He may have hoped, but the train has left! I really think that the train did not come at all and could not come, Sasha was wrong, he does not understand the laws of Time!

already abroad? Venezuela had exactly the same story with the Ambassador to the United States

It is important that he made his choice! Where, how, why, this is an interpretation depending on the addictions of the commentators. In Venzuella, the same inadequate! The reaction to the ego's actions is different, controversial, but this makes Maduro no less a tyrant-dictator!

take a look at the career of this "gentleman". until the smell of a coup d'etat, he conscientiously worked for Lukashenka and as soon as he breathed a coup he immediately betrayed

This is Lukashenka a traitor and usurper! He betrayed Belarus and its people! To "betray" a traitor is not treason! You can say whatever you want about the former ambassador, but Lukashenka will not become less of a criminal because of that.

[Sanichsan]

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The processes of the formation of nations, as well as the defragmentation of existing ones and the formation of new nations, are constant trends! This can happen for both internal and external reasons, often they act simultaneously!

this is the evolution of the "friend or foe" mechanism in the middle ages it was a religion. Christians are ours, Muslims are strangers. then the Muslims shared and the Christians and in the 19th century nations began to form. while we live with it. in the future, there may be other criteria, for example, corporate affiliation
we live in the 21st century and the war has changed a lot. it is no longer so much cannon firing as information pressure and, as a tool, nationalism.

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Rude interference leads to resistance and strengthening of positions by those who oppose!

quite right. but there are many "but" a couple of examples with different outcomes. the first is the annexation of the Crimea. the entire population is pro-Russian and join in. the second example is Poland, which after the war was restored by the USSR instead of solving its problems, and as a result, now the Poles hate Russia. in my opinion the difference is in propaganda. if the pro-Russian influence is insufficient, the region will be lost.

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An example from Ukraine is obvious!

a strange example. there we did not intervene until the end of the coup. it is rather an example of what happens if you follow the lead of "well-wishers" who advise "let them decide everything for themselves. This is their internal affair." Russia has invested about 200 billion rubles in the Ukrainian economy, and the US has invested 5 billion in "democracy" in Ukraine and the results are clearly visible propaganda works wonders!

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Why do you need this inadequate Sasha Kolkhozny? All Belarus hates ego!

definitely not "all". do not be like the victims of propaganda who told about 200-500 thousand at rallies you are right that Lukashenko is not a friend of Russia, if only by the fact that he suppressed all pro-Russian trends in Belarus and raised the Nazis who tried to overthrow him. it turned out funny but if Lkashenko is not supported, then nationalists will come and support the West

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It is important that he made his choice! Where, how, why, this is an interpretation depending on the addictions of the commentators.

do you tend to separate Lukashenka's entourage from him? in my opinion, this is the same part of Lukashenka's system as the riot police who suppressed the protests, but at least they are true to this oath, and this one is from the same company but also a traitor
somehow

[pytar]

this is the evolution of the mechanism of "friend or foe" in the Middle Ages it was religion ... in the future there may be other criteria, for example, corporate affiliation ... this is not so much cannon shooting as information pressure and, as a tool, nationalism.

Yes, here I completely agree with you!

there are many "but" a couple of examples with different results. the first is the annexation of the Crimea. the entire population is pro-Russian and they join themselves. the second example is Poland which, after the war, was restored by the USSR instead of solving its problems, and as a result, the Poles now hate Russia. in my opinion the difference is in propaganda. if the pro-Russian influence is insufficient, the region will be lost.

Successful examples , but I will argue with the conclusions! You talk about propaganda as the deciding factor! It is important, but not decisive! Reality is more important! Being determines consciousness! The example from Poland is very useful! Peoples in the East. Europe did not accept socialism according to the Soviet model! It was a totalitarian system, with an ineffective economic and political basis, introduced from outside on the cheeks of the spacecraft, which remained alien to these peoples! To Russophobia, Sovietophobia was added, even where russophobia did not exist historically before! At the same time, Western democracy and freedom of economic initiative looked much better! Russia today is a compilation of bad capitalism and bad authoritarianism. Here propaganda will not help! Russia now has no competitive attractive civilizational model!

there we just did not intervene until the end of the coup ... Russia invested about 200 billion rubles in the economy of Ukraine, and the United States invested 5 billion in "democracy" in Ukraine and the results are clearly visible propaganda works wonders!

What I have said just confirms the bankruptcy, inefficiency of the Russian "model". The problem is not in propaganda, but in the oligarchic, undemocratic model that has developed in Russia over the past 30 years.

do you tend to separate Lukashenka's entourage from him? in my opinion, this is the same part of Lukashenka's system as the riot police who suppressed the protests, but at least they are true to this oath, and this one is from the same company but also a traitor

Yes, I separate Lukashenka's entourage from him! Not everything is so systemic! There are always "cogwheels" that, although they were spinning, spinning, at one moment come out of the machine of total submission! This is a fatal problem for authoritarian systems, their weak point! Often the environment itself removes the dictator from power! Only those who know that they will then be on the gallows next to the "leader" remain "faithful"!

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and yet I insist that propaganda is the basis and main weapon today. now I'll try to prove it to you. see what you write:

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It was a totalitarian system with an ineffective economic and political foundation.

at the same time, both you and I know that the economy of the USSR (a country half of which was destroyed during the war) was restored by 1953 without Western loans, while Great Britain, on whose territory millions of its population were not destroyed, did not powder cities, did not burned fields and villages in thousands, were able to restore the economy only by 1963. Why? because you were told that the Soviet economy is not efficient. why? by the fact that the USSR collapsed. apparently you, like most, this is enough You are not asking the question "why did the economy that defeated the economy of the Third Reich, in fact united Europe, suddenly collapse in 1980-2000?" this is propaganda. distort a little, exaggerate the shortcomings, say nothing about the merits, you can just lie. you write about the indisputable advantages of democracy and economic initiative, and in fact, all this in one photo:

Let's take a look at the most ardent Russophobes, the Balts. in the USSR, these were industrially developed countries that produced microelectronics that was quite acceptable for that time and much more. what is it now? the backyard of the EU where half the population is lost and there is no industry. this is the very same "Western democracy and freedom by economic initiative" and note that the EU left them with a bare bottom, and the Russians are to blame for everything.
in what is happening in Belarus, you do not notice the mechanics of what is happening behind the beautiful slogans. they tell you about the fact that half a million came to the protests in Minsk and show a photo, but it is enough to look at a photo from any large stadium at 60000 to understand that there are no more than 40000 there. You are being deceived but you do not notice that the fight against the dictator is. you are told that EVERYONE is against Lukashenka, but even in Minsk 40000 from 2000000 is not all at all, and you again believe them by the fact that the fight against the dictator. you are told that everyone is on strike and shown a photo in which about 100-200 workers crowd in the yard of the enterprise, and you again believe because the fight is against the dictator. but at the same time there are 11000 workers at the plant, the work of the enterprise did not stop and these 100-200 workers do not greatly affect the work. you were deceived again, but you did not notice this due to the fact that the fight against the dictator. these are just a few examples of how your opinion is manipulated. By the way, why is Lukashenka a dictator? because you were told that everyone is against him? I have already given you examples of the fact that not everything, it turns out that you were deceived with the basic thesis
Now let's ask some more awkward questions. during the protests, the protesters have very good printing, and actually not cheap; they perform on stage with good sound, which is also not cheap. at whose expense the banquet? given that the leaders of the protests in Lithuania are sitting, one can guess
let's add some protest math. for one entrance to the rally we pay 1500r. 2000 * 1500 = 3000000r this is about 37500 euros, an insignificant amount within 11 million that the Balts and Poles gathered to allocate for "support of democracy" in Belarus
here's another vivid example of manipulation over Venezuela. more than 70 people died during the riots there and all of them were recorded as victims of Maduro, right? but they forgot to say that more than half of the victims were policemen who were killed by "peaceful demonstrators". that's how it's done. if they tell you that this one is bad and this one is good, this is already a reason to think about whether they are deceiving you.
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thanks for the link to the article really turned out to be interesting.

[pytar]

I read it with interest! Thank! I will answer tomorrow!

[pytar]

And so, let's put everything on the shelves!

At the same time, both you and I know that the economy of the USSR ... was restored by 1953 without Western loans, while Great Britain ... were able to restore the economy only by 1963.

The command and administrative economy of the Sov. type is much more effective than the market in a period of emergency / war, cataclysm, etc. /. It allows you to concentrate and manage available resources, and quickly make progress in certain areas. But everything has a price! Slave labor by hundreds of thousands of political prisoners was used in the most difficult places. Overvoltage cannot last long! During normal times, she loses her advantage and starts falling behind. It lacks internal competition, all decisions come down from above, the bottom ones execute decrees "creating welfare." Any initiative coming from below is perceived as a threat to the top. With a market system and democracy, millions of enterprising, competing people create a flexible economy, where innovations are born constantly! Each aspiring to achieve their own well-being, creates a contribution to overall success! An economically and politically active society will always create more benefits than where there is some kind of incomprehensible group, the caste tells people what and how to do.

because you were told that the Soviet economy is not efficient. why? by the fact that the USSR collapsed .... you do not ask the question "why the economy that defeated the economy of the Third Reich, in fact united Europe, suddenly collapsed in 1980-2000?"

The answer is obvious! The Soviet economy could not evolve, and when there is no evolution, "suddenly" comes a revolution, in the given case, collapse and collapse.

this is propaganda. distort a little, exaggerate the shortcomings, say nothing about the merits, you can just lie. you write about the indisputable advantages of democracy and economic initiative, but in fact, all this in one photo

You gave an example without realizing that this was Soviet propaganda! Dear Aelksandr, you obviously do not know what kind of photo you were taking!

This photograph shows a line for bread after the Ohio River flood that flooded 70% of Louisville in 1937. The real name of the photo is "During the flood in Louisville"and the print is in the collection of the Whitney Museum.
Photographer Margaret Burke-White was the first female war correspondent. Various photos taken by her have become world famous! Burke White was a staunch defender of human rights!
Its civic position, and that of tens of thousands of others with democratic views, is the internal mechanism of democracy that drives and changes it! It's hard for me to imagine a photo or publication in Soviet magazines / newspapers criticizing Soviet society or leadership!

Let's take a look at the most ardent Russophobes, the Balts. in the USSR, these were industrially developed countries that produced microelectronics that was quite acceptable for that time and much more. what is it now? the backyard of the EU where half the population is lost and there is no industry. this is the very same "Western democracy and freedom by economic initiative" ...

Dear Alexander, if everything was so good for the Balts in the USSR, why did they run away from him and do not at all think about its restoration? Moreover, such an idea seems like a terrible dream to them! Interestingly, even the Russian population in these countries, which has certain restrictions in rights, does not emigrate to "free Russia"! Probably because in the de-industrialized Pribiltika, people are more free and have a better standard of living than in the richest country in resources! No propaganda will help you if dissidents are persecuted in your country, and oligarchs do whatever they want!

in what is happening in Belarus, you do not notice the mechanics of what is happening behind the beautiful slogans

I always try to draw conclusions by comparing information buzz! I meet from different points of view! And here, in my opinion, a very interesting picture is drawn! I will not go into details, and I wrote so much! Let me tell you briefly why the protesters have the right, and Lukashenka should at least go to jail!
Tell me, do you seriously believe that he has 80%? So if he has so much, he can very quickly convince everyone that he is! What prevents him from holding new, open, fair elections? Batka will win, please rule the country! He will not win, it means the other rightists, he must apologize and leave! And that's it, the country will calm down!
And if he does not have 80%, then he really filsified the elections and people are right! And if he lied, deceived, then he is an illegitimate usurper, this is a coup! According to the laws of Belarus, this is a criminal offense for which the death penalty is prescribed! Lukashenka is a criminal, such a person should not rule the country! It's that simple!

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and propaganda again. now I will explain where you were deceived.

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The command and administrative economy of the Sov. type is much more effective than the market in a period of emergency / war, cataclysm, etc. /.

it's a lie. not yours, the one to which you were accustomed if it was even a little close to the truth, the first satellite and the first man in space would be American. besides, their country was not ruined, and even vice versa. but we can clearly see that the Soviet economy was doing great and after the disaster ended in 1953 and by 1961 was ahead of the economy, the United States was greatly enriched in the Second World War. the Soviet economy is at least twice as efficient.

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Slave labor by hundreds of thousands of political prisoners was used in the most difficult places.

there is also an exaggeration of the negative and the silence of unsightly facts.
the exaggeration of the negative is that hundreds of thousands of political prisoners are recruited during the entire period of Stalin's rule, that is, for 30 years. there are also economic calculations based on which the share of prisoners' labor was a negligible percentage of the country's GDP. there are specific figures and the number of these political figures for 30 years, about 2 million. Let me remind you that this is over 30 years. there are more prisoners in the US right now in prisons. at the same time, in the United States, slave labor of blacks and the same prisoners was massively used, but you are not told about it. you are being told about democracy and a market economy, which is based on almost slave labor. funny, isn't it?
now about "slave" labor. prisoners in the United States did not receive wages and were a real slave labor force. Negroes in coal mines and quarries and workers on Ford conveyors received salaries and, as it were, not slaves, but prisoners in the Gulag received salaries and bonuses. read about Dalstroy and Eduard Petrovich Berzin. why did they suddenly become slaves? because they were brought there and made to work? but the workers at the Ford factory are also faced with not a tricky choice - work for a pittance or die of hunger. both are forced, but the proportion of prisoners in the USSR is noticeable less than the number of workers in the United States and, by the way, prisoners too

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It lacks internal competition, all decisions come down from above, the bottom ones execute decrees "creating welfare."

it's a lie. read about socialist competition, one of the foundations of the Soviet economy.

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Any initiative coming from below is perceived as a threat to the top.

just a lie. read about how many improvements in the design of the T-34 were made at the initiative of the workers. the same is true in all industries and in peacetime. innovation was welcomed and encouraged.

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With a market system and democracy, millions of enterprising, competing people create a flexible economy, where innovations are born constantly!

the biggest and most popular lie!
any market economy strives to make a profit and gets the maximum profit when the market is monopolized, that is, it tends to monopolize. what kind of flexibility in monopoly are you talking about? about what kind of development, when corporations are strangling all competitors whom they can strangle? look what happened to the enterprises in East Germany after the merger, what happened to the Antonov concern in Ukraine, what happened to thousands of Soviet enterprises when we became friends with the West? they were simply eliminated as potential competitors. wow development!

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Each aspiring to achieve their own well-being, creates a contribution to overall success!

primitive lie.
want to be convinced empirically? plug the usual Micro USB charger into the iPhon Lockheed Martin will never share his designs with Boeing. private good, it is therefore private because it is individual. if your neighbor becomes billionaires, your well-being will not change in any way, and perhaps even at a worse value, since your neighbor received these billions from someone and it is quite possible that you are one of those from whom he received them. to hide this unsightly fact such chimeras as GDP and living standards were invented. you live in cardboard boxes under a bridge, and another person has millions, a mansion, a yacht and luxury cars. on average, for two you live luxuriously, but you have nothing, and he has everything.
about innovations, let me remind you that the USSR was a leader in many fields of science and technology

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An economically and politically active society will always create more benefits than where there is some kind of incomprehensible group, the caste tells people what and how to do.

again a lie. why is written above.

in the end you were deceived in everything!
to be continued....

[pytar]

if it were even a little close to the truth, then the first satellite and the first man in space would be American

The first man on the moon was an American and still is.

but we can clearly see that the Soviet economy worked fine after the emergency ended in 1953 and by 1961 was ahead of the US economy .... the Soviet economy was at least twice as efficient.

What you see is not what it is. The economy of the USSR never exceeded 40% of the American economy, and labor productivity was 7 times less.

there are specific figures and the number of these political figures for 30 years, about 2 million. Let me remind you that this is over 30 years. there are more prisoners in the US right now in prisons. at the same time, in the USA, slave labor of blacks and the same prisoners was massively used

The difference is fundamental - political prisoners were sent to the gulags, a huge part on far-fetched charges. People were planted, depending on the needs of the economy! In the USA, criminals were imprisoned.

it's a lie. read about socialist competition, one of the foundations of the Soviet economy.

T.N. "socialist competition" pshik, you cannot compare it with the effectiveness of competition.

any market economy strives to make a profit and gets the maximum profit when the market is monopolized, that is, it tends to monopolize.

The key word is "aspires"! Accordingly, measures are being taken against monopolies! There is anti-monopoly legislation in the EU and the US. You can't touch monopolies in the Russian Federation ... But at one time the social economy was / state / monopoly.

look what happened to the enterprises in East Germany after the merger, what happened to the Antonov concern in Ukraine, what happened to thousands of Soviet enterprises when we became friends with the West? they were simply eliminated as potential competitors. wow development!

I observed this process in our country in the 90s. The question arose, what to do with enterprises created to work in non-market conditions? I thought that for their restructuring to move to market conditions, tens of billions of dollars would be needed! For many enterprises it was impossible at all! It was cheaper to build new ones!

plug the usual Micro USB charger into the iPhon wink Lockheed Martin will never share his designs with Boeing.

Rave. Ask about the situation with Intel and AMD for example. They are competitive, but are obliged by law to be divided among themselves upon request. There are many such cases, you haven’t heard anything about Linux, on the basis of which almost all Russian operating systems were created. There are such examples in the aviation industry.

if your neighbor becomes billionaires, your well-being will not change in any way, and perhaps even at a worse value, since your neighbor received these billions from someone and it is quite possible that you are one of those from whom he received them.

You are confusing things fundamentally! There is speculative capital, and there is also creative capital, which drives progress and thanks to which we are here scribbling on keyboards !!

you live in cardboard boxes under a bridge, and another person has millions, a mansion, a yacht and luxurious cars

There are people who are unable to create this either. People are different! I know many of both categories! We help the enterprising! If you have an innovation and a business plan, there is a program that you can apply for and receive funding.

innovations, let me remind you that the USSR was a leader in many areas of science and technology

There have always been capable, talented people in the USSR! The system made it possible to concentrate resources in certain strategic directions and will achieve success. But it is at the expense of other industries. And innovation didn't get the massive application it deserved.

again a lie. why is written above. in the end you were deceived in everything!

We have a diametrically opposed vision of the situation. Our argument is meaningless. I will only say one thing in conclusion: Having lived half of my life under socialism, and the second under democracy, I don’t want to imagine in my worst nightmares that the old will return! To dictatorships [stop !!!], [No passaran !!!]
I see a new freedom-loving, enterprising, smart generation, they will not allow this!
All the best to you, Alexander!

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see what happens to you. you persistently repeat the lies that have been put into you and try with all your might to keep the usual pattern

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The first man on the moon was an American and still is.

but this does not negate the fact that in almost everything else the USSR was the first. the first satellite, the first man, the first spacewalk, the first spacecraft on the moon and other planets, but what about the United States? the first person on the moon? and even then the grandmother said in two ... until facts from third-party sources appear, for example, pictures of the Chinese or ours with the American module left on the moon, the version of a fake takes place

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What you see is not what it is. The economy of the USSR never exceeded 40% of the American economy, and labor productivity was 7 times less.

very controversial. I will not write a sheet ...

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The difference is fundamental - political prisoners were sent to the gulags, a huge part on far-fetched charges.

dear but that's just a cynical lie 60% of these "innocents" were able to rehabilitate only because they rehabilitated everyone. For example, among the rehabilitated was SS member Panwitz, but this was fixed. nobody dealt with the rest. there are bandits and traitors and other scum.

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People were planted, depending on the needs of the economy!

again a lie the results of operational work to identify criminals are given out for landing plans. Do you want to say that wherever operational work is carried out to identify criminal and anti-state elements, including in Western countries, they plant on the basis of planting plans?
what "needs of the economy" are you talking about ??? how the economy was influenced by 2 million who cut wood in 30 (!!!) years? what nonsense? tanks, machine tools and trucks from firewood built?

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In the USA, criminals were imprisoned.

exactly? you are sure? Read about how the FBI and CIA collaborated with organized crime and used gangsters to suppress worker protests. By the way, and the protesters who went to jail are not political prisoners by any chance? read about "fighting the red menace" in the US under MacArthur. those who were then imprisoned are also not political?

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Rave. Ask about the situation with Intel and AMD for example.

really nonsense. where is the law? in China, where the American Intel was obliged to share it with the Chinese AMD (if not in the know AMD was bought by the Chinese with all the guts). do you think it is an exchange of technologies within a market economy?

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There are many such cases, you haven’t heard anything about Linux, on the basis of which almost all Russian operating systems were created.

Unix platforms are originally open source. you better tell me how MacOC is sharing its innovations with Windows

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You are confusing things fundamentally! There is speculative capital, and there is also creative capital, which drives progress and thanks to which we are here scribbling on keyboards !!

great version! now count the labor hours at the enterprise so that the worker earns a billion. Now think, billionaires have billions, is it speculative or creative capital? is the withdrawal of added value from the creator to those who own the means of production is it robbery or market relations?

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We have a diametrically opposed vision of the situation. Our argument is meaningless.

on the contrary. look in the mirror you are a copy of your brother. he repeats the nationalist template and looks for any excuses to keep it, even ridiculous, you have an anti-Soviet template

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Having lived half my life under socialism, and the second under democracy, I don’t want to imagine in my most nightmares that the old will return! To dictatorships [stop !!!], [No passaran !!!]

I was also born in the USSR, I also lived in the 90s and managed to go from Soviet upbringing to enthusiasm for democracy and then disappointment, rethinking and already a common view of what is happening and the past until you pass this path you will be further used under various beautiful slogans.
For reference, in the "totalitarian" Stalinist USSR there was a legal mechanism for recalling a deputy by voters if the deputy does not fulfill his obligations. do you have such an opportunity? Are you still sure that the dictatorship is in the USSR and not in yours now?

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I see a new freedom-loving, enterprising, smart generation, they will not allow this!

yes, of course they won't they weren't allowed out in Ukraine! hot and short-sighted very easy to use.

all the best! I hope that you and your brother will be able to get rid of the templates imposed on you and not become puppets in the wrong hands

[pytar]

we will not reach the same opinion on any question! Okay, you can argue for another 100 years, but everyone will have their own opinion.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: pytar

okay, you can argue for another 100 years, but everyone will have their own opinion.

on the contrary. I have learned to change my opinion and views on the problem depending on the facts
in fact, I urge you to do the same

[pytar]

Dear Alexander, views similar to yours, I had in the past. Life experience, logic of events, juxtaposition of facts, led me to different conclusions and beliefs.
I will say this: Where are you going, I returned from there.

[Sanichsan]

awesome!

Quote: pytar

Dear Alexander, views similar to yours, I had in the past. Life experience, logic of events, juxtaposition of facts, led me to different conclusions and beliefs.
I will say this: Where are you going, I returned from there.

word for word I can repeat it to you! honestly, with all my heart
All that you wrote about the "terrible USSR" I heard in 1990-2000, and even believed. but all these arguments have long been sorted out and their absurdity has been proven by documents and facts. now, such primitive propaganda does not even impress children. I am very surprised that there are still those who believe in the millions of political prisoners who built the USSR.
I hope you someday get carried away with history, like me, and can distinguish propaganda from the real state of affairs

[pytar]

all these arguments have long been analyzed and their absurdity has been proven by documents and facts. now, such primitive propaganda does not even impress children. I am very surprised that there are still those who believe in the millions of political prisoners who built the USSR.

Dear, just the facts and evidence of these terrible events abound! They are officially recognized and convicted by the Government of the Russian Federation, including the President of VVP! A program was created to depopulate the repressed! Of course, there are always adherents of conspiracy theories, but I am definitely not one of them.
By the way, if the topic related only to the USSR, I would not discuss it. But this also happened in my country, after the communist regime came to power! There were many gulags, they were museums! Among my relatives there are prisoners who have become victims of this nightmare! It is impossible to hide this, but to deny it is stupid.
Okay, thanks for the interesting dialogue, I wish you all the best!

[Sanichsan]

Quote: pytar

Dear, just the facts and evidence of these terrible events abound!

what facts do you mean? works of Solzhenitsyn ???

Quote: pytar

They are officially recognized and convicted by the Government of the Russian Federation, including the President of the GDP!

more specifically. what exactly is recognized? what was the repression? it's foolish to deny it. at that time, repressions took place in all countries of the world, including in the USSR

Quote: pytar

A program was created to depopulate the repressed!

Do you know how they did it? Or did you prefer to ignore my example with the rehabilitated SS member so as not to spoil the template about innocent victims? You wrote that you repressed according to the plan and lists, but those who told you this nonsense carried out rehabilitation with this method. a commission of 3 people considered 700-800 cases per day. the "innocent victims" included everyone in a row, murderers and bandits, deserters, traitors, collaborators, officials who seized for embezzlement on an especially large scale, everyone.

Quote: pytar

Of course, there are always adherents of conspiracy theories, but I am definitely not one of them.

conspiracy ??? let's substantively. I have documents that I can refer to in argumentation, do you have anything other than fiction and someone's fantasies that there were 50-100 million in the Gulag?

Quote: pytar

By the way, if the topic concerned only the USSR, I would not discuss it.

that is, you decided to judge how it was with us based on how it was with you? well, normal approach

Quote: pytar

But this also happened in my country, after the communist regime came to power! There were many gulags, they were museums!

and this did not happen after the defeat of the fascist regime? Please clarify

Quote: pytar

Among my relatives there are prisoners who have become victims of this nightmare! It is impossible to hide this, but to deny it is stupid.

and among mine there are. for example, my maternal grandfather who did not know anything about the repressions at all due to the fact that these repressions did not concern law-abiding citizens. there is a paternal grandfather who was a priest and was repressed. I understand why he was sent to the north at that time (not for religion, if that) .... tell me, are you ready to justify any actions of your loved ones?
I have not studied how it happened with you, but how and why it happened with us I know well.

all the best to you too and learn history, so that it does not come out awkwardly as with one woman who wanted to rehabilitate her grandfather, and when they looked into his criminal case, it turned out that he cut out a family of neighbors together with 4 children to steal money ...

[Sanichsan]

Quote: pytar

The answer is obvious! The Soviet economy could not evolve, and when there is no evolution, "suddenly" comes a revolution, in the given case, collapse and collapse.

you just slipped the most primitive explanation not supported by the facts that is, cheated again
let's use real life examples.
they show you a photo of a rusty Mercedes wrecked in an accident and say "look what a terrible car! It is all rusty and broken, and two people died in the accident, and two were taken to intensive care." will you believe?
you were not told that this car stood on the street in the rain for 30 years, you were not told that the inspection of this car was carried out at an unknown time, you were not told that this car was filled with low-quality gasoline and incomprehensible fluid instead of a brake fluid, that is, they did not look after, you were not told what kind of a drunken alcoholic was driving ... you all learned this and continue to believe that Mercedes is a bad car?
the destruction of the USSR was started by Khrushchev when he introduced the rate of profit, that is, the capitalist element, into the planned economy. further private interests, which, according to your version, should all develop, began to destroy the mechanism that was fine-tuned in the 50s, and as a result, in 1991, the alcoholic finally ditched everything for the sake of all the same private interests of all Kravchuks and ... well, wow! all familiar faces! Lukashenok

Quote: pytar

You gave an example without realizing that this was Soviet propaganda!

Yes! soviet oddly enough, in fact, Soviet propaganda did not lie so much blacks were oppressed until the 70s, in general discrimination flourished. demonstrations of workers were shot, and not with rubber bullets at all ... all this was done in the interests of an insignificant minority who really did not live badly. the opposite was true in the USSR.
about the Balts ...

Quote: pytar

Dear Alexander, if everything was so good for the Balts in the USSR, why did they run away from him and do not even think about its restoration?

when the USSR weakened Soviet power was replaced by anti-Soviet, by the way, not without the participation of the West if interested, read the revelations of former CIA officers about how they organize coups d'état. do not you think that the anti-Soviet government will not dream of the restoration of the Soviet system

Quote: pytar

Moreover, such an idea seems to them a terrible dream!

for these it is natural! here and for the SS parades will have to answer

Quote: pytar

Interestingly, even the Russian population in these countries, which has certain restrictions in rights, does not emigrate to "free Russia"!

that is, the fact that all of Chelyabinsk did not move to Moscow is also surprising to you?
in Germany, the standard of living is much higher than in Moldova, but for some reason you did not leave for Berlin, despite the fact that it seems to be all the EU. you will know why, and you will understand why they do not leave the baltics. until they leave. subsidies end, but loans remain.

Quote: pytar

Probably because in the de-industrialized Baltic states, people are freer and have a better standard of living than in the richest country in resources!

or maybe because those who could leave are already cleaning fish in the British Isles or cleaning toilets in Germany. what a career growth for a former employee of a microelectronics enterprise and closed at the entrance to the EU. but where to go?

Quote: pytar

No propaganda will help you if dissidents are persecuted in your country, and the oligarchs do whatever they want!

really? USA completely refutes this statement!

about Belarus.

Quote: pytar

Tell me, do you seriously believe that he has 80%?

I'm not really sure, but I think that he would have scored about 60%. why he started this farce is hard to say. he caught his own balls. but he started it even before the elections. apparently paranoia

Quote: pytar

What prevents him from holding new, open, fair elections?

this is at least a lot of money. you don't think such an event is free, do you? and most importantly why? to lose on the peaks of discontent actively fueled from Poland and Lithuania? only a madman will do this besides, for the most part he had already solved internal problems and had already taken up the organizers. what they think of him in the West does not really bother him. he has been under sanctions for a long time. in short, what you suggest is not logical, to put it mildly.
and by the way, whatever the open elections it does not change anything. if Lukashenka wins, they will still say that the elections were rigged. look at Russia.

Quote: pytar

And if he lied, deceived, then he is an illegitimate usurper, this is a coup!

I have already given you a lot of examples of how the opposition is lying. lie continuously! but for some reason they are legitimate, and Lukashenka, who allegedly lied about 80%, has not been proven in any way, he just looks suspicious, so he is not legitimate. why? some are definitely lying, the other is most likely lying, but the one whose lie has not yet been proven is to blame, and those who are definitely lying are "good guys!" ...

[Tank hard]

Quote: V1er

Explain, Bulgarian to me, what do you want in the end? Here I am very interested and I want to know very much, what are you doing with this?

This is not them, this is HE, a specific individual under the nickname

pytar (Boyan Ivanov

And he also loves Russia and Russians, in his words, the final ...

[mag nit]

A good man of bream will not be called names.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: pytar

Respect to Igor Leshchenya! There are people with honor!

A dishonest person cannot have honor.

[Selevc]

Respect to Igor Leshchenya! good There are people with honor! hi

This is how the modern Bulgarian intelligence works ??? Gentlemen-former comrades are not working well ...
The Bulgarian economy itself is now in one well-known place - are you telling others here how to live ??? !!! Why is it not clear !!!

[pytar]

This is how the modern Bulgarian intelligence works ??? Gentlemen-former comrades are not working well ...

I have no idea how intelligence works! I am far from these topics. And as for the "former comrades", you are mistaken, I have never been with people like you, Andrei. I am friends with many Russians, but they are not like you.

The Bulgarian economy itself is now in one well-known place

You look at the hike from the place you described ... In 2019, BG's GDP reached a historic record - $ 63,8 billion

and you here tell others how to live ??? !!! Why is it not clear !!!

No way! What is not, then no, you do not understand what is being sung.

[EgorMinsk]

Totally agree!

[Cyril G ...]

Where did you see the honor - it's a cowardly rat. Previously, for some reason, his elastic "honor" allowed him to become a full ambassador.

[Baloo]

He hopes for cookies and a jar of jam, so that Soros will put him in charge of Belarus with tsruli.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Balu

He hopes for cookies and a jar of jam, so that Soros will put him in charge of Belarus with tsruli.

He will receive jam and biscuits when Merkel puts Tikhonovskaya in power.

[aleksr2005]

He earns points for himself before the future pro-Western government !! As the Ukrainian ambassador Deshchitsa, or Klimkin at the beginning of the Maidan. Their Maidan began with chants "moskalya..ku on gilya..ku" and in Belarus with the nationalist red and white flag! Look how soon they will also start screaming, who does not jump that mosk ... b!

[Insurgent]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Lukashenka should have replaced this ambassador long ago! He became pro-Western and civilized too much! And now he just fills his own price In general, an ordinary defector.

I will answer with a quote:

Quote: Insurgent

Which, in turn, exposes the miscalculations in the personnel policy of the Arab League.

[Cyril G ...]

Oh, the first rats ran from the ship ...

[AML]

Quote: pytar

Respect to Igor Leshchenya! There are people with honor!

For 26 years I waited, waited and then remembered about the honor? Really stupid?

[tralflot1832]

I am glad in the comments under this article that there are many Russians with a normal point of view. They see where there is betrayal (with benefit), and where is protest. So keep, happy for you!

[svp67]

This is a logical step, since, as an ambassador, I have been appointed by the current president and it is assumed that I must pursue the policy determined by him.
- the ambassador explained his act.

Well, what he did may cause different opinions, but his "leaving" is really an act.

[Selevc]

Resignation must be with confiscation of property !!! And it is somehow strange - this absolutely gray bureaucratic mass made its career "with such a bad Lukashenko" and when they got up, excuse me, they poop on their own patron ??? This is just despicable !!!

[Stalllker]

And he was shocked when the police were shot down by cars, when they tried to burn the police, blow up, and so on ?! Hypocrite

[Revival]

A hypocrite will be and the one who does not notice that the police began to be hit by cars already in response to the beatings

[Stalllker]

Although I do not like cops and never did, when you start attacking them, it’s already chaos, not peaceful protests. And I think you need to be a complete idiot and deny the fact that there were specific provocateurs. Now they go there with posters and flowers, they don't cover anything. This is a peaceful protest, not what it was.

[Revival]

If the cops are acting in full accordance with the law, then I agree

[Stalllker]

Cops are at work and they are not touched by law, such laws are everywhere. And they keep public order. Making barricades, blocking streets is already a violation of public order. Plus an attack on employees, causing bodily harm, a threat to life and health to them and their loved ones. I would just tear the "bulls" in masks just for the last time

[Revival]

To beat and grab for being on the street itself, standing, sitting on a bench, driving in a car, even, oh horror, honking, is illegal

[Stalllker]

Yes, the cops will take everyone, you will resist, you will grab them. What's new for you ???? Or somewhere else ?!

[Revival]

Are we talking about legality, or well, so this is almost no lawlessness, since this "always" happens?

[Stalllker]

I am explaining to you, the cop has all legal grounds for identifying the person to make a detention, and even more so at such murky events as provocative speeches

[Revival]

Does not have a passport or other statutory identity document

[Stalllker]

Of course, with passports in a convoy, all such casual passers-by

[Revival]

There are a lot of videos where they run up, (they drive by and purposefully stop around) and grab, beat up to the standing alone.
We are just about that.
Don't get off topic ...

[Stalllker]

Link to these videos

[Stalllker]

And if you still put up resistance, then on the basis of laws, you can even lower your kidneys

[Stalllker]

Don't forget that riot police worked there, he has other "permissions"

[Revival]

Other "permissions" must also be legal.
We are discussing legality, not lawlessness and crime.

[Stalllker]

And riot police are allowed to make detention without presenting and presenting a certificate

[Revival]

That is, unreasonably on a whim?

[Stalllker]

It's their job to break. Like sorb and other special forces

[Stalllker]

It is impossible to signal, only to prevent an accident, the rest is considered a violation of public order. You read the laws

[Revival]

Then you read, where is there about the detention and beating?
I imagine he honked and then a traffic cop came running up and immediately, without talking, dragged out of the car and hit or hit the car with a stick. The laws are strict in your reality!
Is that what the law says?

[Stalllker]

Do you yourself understand what you are talking about? A lot of wave on the roads, even at night and a traffic cop runs up to one and pulls out the carrier just like that or hits the iron with a stick ??? Is he that according to your logic ** from ??? Do you know the background? Maybe this is just the car that crushed the cops, you didn't think about it ?! Or even from another event, as shown in the Rain, where people were dispersed with water cannons, but how did it turn out later that this is another country, like Israel ?! I would not advise focusing on video recordings, if only because we do not know what happened before. You don't have to show how some paid pretzel threw something at the police, which immediately reacted, ran up and began to twist, and it was this moment that began to swing like a cop's chaos. What is there to argue, everyone has their own truth and vision of the situation. But we have a living example of Ukraine, the country was simply bent over. I would not like that Belarus, too, was bent just because some people just want change. Only who told them that after the father left, they would become rich and prosperous. Ukrainians thought the same and rode

[Stalllker]

And tell me, what was the traffic cop at the intersection with? Who was he beating there?

[parusnik]

He sniffed out something, decided to excuse himself just in case ... Assistant to the President ...

[1536]

Betrayed once, betrayed twice.

[tralflot1832]

Lukashenko made a choice. He begins to clean up the state structures. Some are kicked out, others are being awarded. 300 security officials have been awarded today. Yanukovych's mistakes were taken into account. The statehood of Belarus is in danger, we must show no shake-up and determination of the authorities. We are waiting for good news from Belarus from the elected President of Belarus at the international level. Support. he received from Russia and China. Let's look at his actions.

[Moskal 55]

It is correct to first resign and then criticize in the media, otherwise it is just a betrayal.

[Pavel57]

Candidate for Minister of Foreign Affairs in the new government (if there is one).

[Wolf]

Has he already received Israel's passport?

It turned out that all three candidates for the presidency of the Republic of Belarus: Viktor Babariko, Valeria Tsepkalo and Svetlana Tikhanovskaya are citizens of Israel. In parallel, Babariko is a citizen of England, Tsepkalo USA, Tihanovskaya of Lithuania.

[Wolf]

So it was in the outskirts of the whole TV. opposition was with Israel's passports, and nationalist movements influenced by Catholic Jesuits. This coma in the Orthodox Church has long been installed by agents of the Jesuits who formed the UOC, FANARIOTI from Tsarigrad from the 18th century pursued a policy of uniyats and the destruction of the Orthodox Church of the Slavs!

[Wolf]

The seizure of Ukraine will repeat the action of Lev Bronstein - Trotsky from 1917 and the Rothschilds when the Zionists seized power in the Russian Empire

[Wolf]

You never know? Need to repeat? Now Belarus and then ... ....?
Live were!

[Tank hard]

Quote: Wolf

Live were!

So!

[Revival]

Where did you find out? And then I missed such facts, documents

[Wolf]

And where ? Here:
The flag of the Belarusian opposition (white with a red stripe) is the flag of the Belarusian policemen who served the Nazis and killed civilians during the Second World War. During the German occupation (1941-1944) during the Great Patriotic War, the white-red-white flag, together with the "Pursuit" coat of arms, was allowed for use on July 27, 1942 on the territory of the General District of Belarus of the Ostland Reichskommissariat. CHECK OUT!
Clarified the police who worked for Hitler!

[Wolf]

Or those who worked for Wilham and Rothschild's grandfather.
An extremely important and correct explanation of the true meaning of the main symbol of protests in Belarus. To what has been said, it should be added that the abundance of white-red-white flags speaks of careful preparation for the protests. All paraphernalia was made in advance and delivered to the cities and villages of the republic.

"The main symbol of the protests in Belarus is the white-red-white flag. I am sure that most people do not know its history. While any symbol carries the most important not only identifying, but ideological and metaphysical meanings. Becoming under the white-red-white flags protesting, firstly, without realizing it themselves, refuse great feats and victories committed under the modern flag of Belarus, and secondly, they identify themselves with the purely ethnocratic and dependent Belarusian People's Republic of 1918. Here are just two indicative facts.
1. The third Charter of the Rada of the BNR Proclaimed: “The Belarusian People's Republic should cover all the lands where the Belarusian people live and have a numerical superiority, namely: Mogilev region, Belarusian parts of the Minsk region, Grodno region (with Grodno, Bialystok, etc.), Vilenshchina, Vitebsk region , Smolensk, Chernigov and adjacent parts of neighboring provinces inhabited by Belarusians. " In this regard, I would like to ask a few questions. What is the opposition, appealing to the legacy of the BNR, going to do with the Russians and other peoples? Ban the Russian language? Close schools? Matching a character requires consistency.
2. The Rada (supreme body) of the BNR in a letter to Kaiser Wilhelm very clearly stated the status of Germany's satellite. Here is a small excerpt from this letter: “Rada, as an elected representative of the Belarusian people, addresses Your Imperial Majesty with words of deep gratitude for the liberation of Belarus by German troops from under heavy oppression, foreign dominant bullying and anarchy. The Rada declared the independence of a united and indivisible Belarus and asks Your Imperial Highness for protection in the territory under its control in order to strengthen the state independence and indivisibility of the country in alliance with the German Empire. The country sees a better future only under the protection of the German Empire. " Standing under the white-red-white banners, modern Belarusians repeat the past, as if returning under the wing of the “empire”, but already in the image of the EU or, at worst, Poland. But this is not the main thing. The scary thing is that, not knowing what they are doing, they betray the memory of the millions who were tortured and burned by the new German Empire - the soldiers and Sonderkommandos of the Third Reich. "Elena Ponomareva.

From the Telegram channel of A.I. Fursov https://t.me/s/govoritfursov

[Revival]

All! All! I see ... everything, now it is clear ...

[borberd]

Quote: Wolf

It turned out that all three candidates for the presidency of the Republic of Belarus: Viktor Babariko, Valeria Tsepkalo and Svetlana Tikhanovskaya are citizens of Israel. In parallel, Babariko is a citizen of England, Tsepkalo USA, Tihanovskaya of Lithuania.

And you are not tired of -Wolf, spread fakes and lies about people unknown to you? Wow, in the opinion of the trolls, they are all citizens of Israel, and one by one they are also citizens of the United States, England and .... Lithuania. If you had even a drop of conscience, then before writing an obvious lie, you would go to read the laws of Belarus, which clearly states that Belarus does not recognize dual citizenship. Accordingly, they cannot be citizens of Belarus and at the same time be citizens of the United States, Israel, England and Lithuania. Moreover, it is impermissible for presidential candidates.
In any case, your lies from one source - the twitter of some anonymous bot:
https://twitter.com/cnkrusv/status/1295648891661156352

[Pavel57]

Quote: megadeth

... Questions to the Belarusian KGB ...

How monolithic is the KGB? Who took Tikhonovskaya to Lithuania?

[tandem]

it seems that the cops took it out. Pokoshmarili and taken out. But this was done on direct orders from above.

[rotmistr60]

for Leshchenya, first of all, the approval from the West is important.

Which is most likely. The drunken rats, sensing something amiss, run from the ship. The first to sell are members of the same party, the closest circle, who felt great in power, and as soon as the peak of power swayed, their shirt is closer to the body.

[K-50]

Thus, he decided to express his civic position, saying that the beatings and torture of peaceful protesters by the security forces had shocked him.

Why was this "messenger" not shocked by the attacks of the "protesters" on the police / police, as well as the calls for riots?
One word - you are "ambassador" to the forest!

[alien]

The Belarusians and their president were divorced, divorced. Further carrots in front of the nose - they see nothing. Mutual accusations ... and the ambassador I taught history badly, and it's good that he left. When emotions prevail, the brain rests.

I analyzed the sociology of revolution in detail Pitirim A. Sorokin.
After the 1917 revolution, he emigrated to America and founded a school at Harvard, from where many US politicians came, including President Kennedy.

P.A. Sorokin:
“Anyone who wants to riot should know that violence is practically
inevitable, and he will be his witness, victim or culprit. It
true of all nations and groups "
[Social and cultural dynamics, p. 745].

“The spectacular scenes of the revolution that enthrall us often cost the people
his whole history"
[The current state of Russia. Articles of different years, p. 457].

“Who can be quite sure that by lighting a small fire of the revolution, he does not start a huge fire that will engulf the entire society, incinerate not only palaces, but also huts?
workers, will destroy not only "despots", but also ... the incendiaries themselves, along with thousands of innocent people? No one!»»
[Sociology of revolution, p.35].

“The revolution with amazing genius knows how to disguise its prosaic and terrible deeds great words and make people judge her not by her deeds, but by her words "
Sociology of revolution, c.298].

"The revolution does not really need any great people for its full realization. In its natural development, the revolution is simply creates such leaders from the most ordinary people."
(Sorokin P., Long road. Autobiography, M .. 1992, pp. 37-38).

“When I see many, many people sincerely dreaming of the coming of the revolution, I say:“ It's a pity that mankind has poorly learned the lessons of history. These children play with fire, which burn them themselves, and most of all, it is the working classes: they cause a whirlwind that will spread death, murder, atrocities, hunger, disease, devastation throughout the country, a whirlwind, as a result of which the masses will suffer the most. "" As a result, according to the correct words of Le Bon , will be ... the imprisonment of society in a straitjacket ... Unbridled rabble, armed, thirsty for revenge and furious; spades, knives and hammers; a gloomy, hushed city; the police at the hearth; suspicion of any opinion; overheard speeches ... observed tears ... inexorable requisitions ... forced loans ... discounted papers ... war on the border ... ruthless proconsulates ... cruel security committees ... - these are the fruits of the social revolution. "

That is why from now on I "respectfully return the ticket to enter the kingdom of the bloody revolution" (and counter-revolution).

Let them not think that these lines say that the revolution offended me personally, that I, apparently, personally lost a lot in it ... No. Except for life and illusions, I had nothing to lose. I was poor - and so I remain now. I am the son of a worker and a peasant - therefore I could not lose my privileges. I was neither an "aristocrat", nor a "bourgeois", nor an official - therefore, I could not lose anything here either ... My life is still with me. My honor and conscience also. The only loss is illusion... I had them too ... One of them was a romantic idea of ​​the revolution and the desire for its arrival ... Now I saw it. For five years I was in her whirlwind, for five years I carefully looked into her face ... Seeing him, I began to study the faces of the former "deep" revolutions. And I realized: this is the face of a beast, not a superman. Antichrist, not God, a vampire, not a liberator ...

<...> When these "unbelievers" see the true face of the bloody revolution, - and they will believe... But I would not want them to pay for this faith with the price of revolution ... "Yes, they blow away this thicket" ... However, alas, history does not always go the way it should ... She is blind ... "
Pitirim Alexandrovich Sorokin (Long road. Autobiography, M. 1992)

[tandem]

this is all fair and reasonable. But there is a problem. - Lkashists falsified the elections, trampling the will of the people. Therefore, a revolutionary situation developed according to Lenin. The upper classes cannot, the lower classes do not want to. People, the people of Belarus, just want the law to be respected. The authorities refuse them this. Power breaks the law, even its own, castrated. Luca clearly stated even before the elections that he would not surrender the power under any circumstances. There are elections or not elections. And, if necessary, will use force indefinitely

[Tank hard]

Good comment. But this is "The Voice of One Crying in the Wilderness." Plus, it's unambiguous.

[was-witek]

The first one went ... soon it will be on a massive scale ... officials will be bought, just the price of the question, for how much and when ...

[alien]

Romance. Participant of the Maidan, Denis Datsyuk, a native of Kazatin, Vinnytsia region.
"The Maidan was in vain, it's a failure. I am ashamed of participating in it."

About the hosts of Ukraine:
“What do we have? Minus Crimea and minus Donbass. Growth of the right-wing movement and general radicalization of society. A drop in the quality of education, but a social ladder has appeared for“ people with a certificate ”and other“ non-personnel. ”Thousands of young people with traumatized psyche after the war (hello , Afghan, nineties) Ridiculous reforms (police, medical, etc.) The economy collapsed, and domestic and foreign politics is not even politics. Even our masters began to scare us, I mean the United States. Actually, they started this Maidan - for the sake of the war with Russia"

About President V. Zelensky:
"This is not a competent manager. I do not expect anything good from him. Although I believe that he has bright intentions and wants the best. He could have a chance if he had at least some kind of team and at least some understanding how complex social supersystems are controlled. But, unfortunately, so far neither one nor the other is visible. Sorry for him. "
https://strana.ua/articles/236619-chto-sluchilos-s-izbitymi-berkutom-studentami-cherez-shest-let-posle-majdana.html

[Campanella]

But the trouble is, for some reason I do not hear the voices of that part of the people that voted for Lukashenko, for that from all cracks the opposition droppings are pouring. The feeling that in Belarus there is only the voice of the opposition in the desert of lawlessness and tyranny.
Now I will tell you an example of democracy and the flight of free thought.
These are not at all the hard workers Dudinsky and Raetskaya, only that they talked with Naryshkin on Echo; these are the hosts of the Slavic bazaar, etc. He refused to lead it this year. In general, the opposition.
When the host asked how his mother reacted to the events, he said that she wanted to vote for Lukashenka, but we forced her under the threat that she would not see us again (something like that was answered with a laugh).
When asked by the host, do you scold Lukashenka? Do you have food, work? They answered, there is, there is a tourist business, but Lukashenka has nothing to do with it!
Now, returning, we can say that if the people of the "creative" elite of Belarus have such approaches and views on life, what can we say about the rest of the elite? Like this Slug or whatever, it doesn't matter.
Hazel ....

[tandem]

and you will not hear. Only the cops voted for Luka. And state employees are under threat of dismissal.

[Campanella]

And you stood with a lantern, counted the voices?
The level of argumentation is however strong.

[tandem]

and independent observers were not allowed to count the votes. Not all PEC members agreed to falsify the results. If interested, to any independent white site.

[Coward]

Let's remember how many such defectors Bashar al-Assad was. And they also said after each: “That's it! Now the tyrant will fall. "

[iouris]

To betray in time means to foresee! You know better from Slovakia. However, the master of sports in chess surrenders in five moves, and the first-class player plays to the end. You mate!

[tandem]

Quote: Stalllker

And he was shocked when the police were shot down by cars, when they tried to burn the police, blow up, and so on ?! Hypocrite

and who, where and when tried to burn and blow up the cops? facts in the studio. And assaults, I personally do not approve, terror is indiscriminate, and therefore only leads to escalation. On the other hand, when people do not have the opportunity to use legal means to protect their interests, life and health, they start using illegal ones. Auto in this sense, like a kitchen knife, is available.
There are more than 600 people who have just reported beating and torturing. The detainees are almost 7 thousand. They beat everyone. This is despite the fact that forensic medical examination is carried out only in the direction from the ROVD. Like, give me a certificate that you beat me. Until now, not a single criminal case has been initiated on the fact of the unlawful use of force and abuse of power. The prosecutor's office simply does not see violations. Luca only worries about the cops.
In such conditions, some people, especially young people, have an idea to take justice into their own hands.
Wake up, we are not serfs who could be whipped, just at will. Because there are whips and rods. This is not the 16th century, and not even the 20th.
Under Beria, at least the confession of the accused was required. Now in the Republic of Belarus and that is not necessary. It is enough to have a man. They were not even asked anything. They just gave me a day.

[prior]

Little was given to the "baboons" and released early. It was necessary to force all the asphalt in Minsk to be washed with toothbrushes. To know where and who to jump on.
Generation PEPCI. They didn’t do anything for the country, which raised and learned them.
And they already demand something.
What is happening is not punishment, but rather science and connivance.
The Tsar Father exiled to hard labor for such behavior.

[alien]

Quote: tandem

In such conditions, some people, especially young people, have an idea to take justice into their own hands.

In Haiti during the "independence" - there were 33 coups d'état ...
From achievements:
School bus road sign: "Please do not enter the school bus with a gun."

https://www.tema.ru/travel/haiti/

[Campanella]

How are you different from Lukashenka, since you justify the attack on the police and traffic police.
Did Neksta show you how your militants dismantle the pavement, how they throw stones and all sorts of things?
Is this what you call a peaceful protest? Half of you wear white walks and creates the face of a noble opposition, while the other half is engaged in the violent seizure of power, spinning the flywheel of war with provocations.
And here you are telling tales from a foreign language.

[tandem]

facts in the studio

[Campanella]

Look for yourself here in the topics about Belarus there were vidos.

[flicker]

The beginning of a new movement:
“Lukashenka hinders the integration of Belarus with Russia.
Lukoshenko - go away!
Belarus for integration with Russia! "
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Belarus with Russia!
Lukashenka - go away!
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[Wolf]

An extremely important and correct explanation of the true meaning of the main symbol of protests in Belarus. To what has been said, it should be added that the abundance of white-red-white flags speaks of careful preparation for the protests. All paraphernalia was made in advance and delivered to the cities and villages of the republic.

"The main symbol of the protests in Belarus is the white-red-white flag. I am sure that most people do not know its history. While any symbol carries the most important not only identifying, but ideological and metaphysical meanings. Becoming under the white-red-white flags protesting, firstly, without realizing it themselves, refuse great feats and victories committed under the modern flag of Belarus, and secondly, they identify themselves with the purely ethnocratic and dependent Belarusian People's Republic of 1918. Here are just two indicative facts.
1. The third Charter of the Rada of the BNR Proclaimed: “The Belarusian People's Republic should cover all the lands where the Belarusian people live and have a numerical superiority, namely: Mogilev region, Belarusian parts of the Minsk region, Grodno region (with Grodno, Bialystok, etc.), Vilenshchina, Vitebsk region , Smolensk, Chernigov and adjacent parts of neighboring provinces inhabited by Belarusians. " In this regard, I would like to ask a few questions. What is the opposition, appealing to the legacy of the BNR, going to do with the Russians and other peoples? Ban the Russian language? Close schools? Matching a character requires consistency.
2. The Rada (supreme body) of the BNR in a letter to Kaiser Wilhelm very clearly stated the status of Germany's satellite. Here is a small excerpt from this letter: “Rada, as an elected representative of the Belarusian people, addresses Your Imperial Majesty with words of deep gratitude for the liberation of Belarus by German troops from under heavy oppression, foreign dominant bullying and anarchy. The Rada declared the independence of a united and indivisible Belarus and asks Your Imperial Highness for protection in the territory under its control in order to strengthen the state independence and indivisibility of the country in alliance with the German Empire. The country sees a better future only under the protection of the German Empire. " Standing under the white-red-white banners, modern Belarusians repeat the past, as if returning under the wing of the “empire”, but already in the image of the EU or, at worst, Poland. But this is not the main thing. The scary thing is that, not knowing what they are doing, they betray the memory of the millions who were tortured and burned by the new German Empire - the soldiers and Sonderkommandos of the Third Reich. "Elena Ponomareva.

From the Telegram channel of A.I. Fursov https://t.me/s/govoritfursov

[Wolf]

The flag of the Belarusian opposition (white with a red stripe) is the flag of the Belarusian policemen who served the Nazis and killed civilians during the Second World War. During the German occupation (1941-1944) during the Great Patriotic War, the white-red-white flag, together with the "Pursuit" coat of arms, was allowed for use on July 27, 1942 on the territory of the General District of Belarus of the Ostland Reichskommissariat. CHECK OUT!

[tandem]

Too shy to ask. How many people were killed under the red banner? and under what banner were the Polish uprisings, the Decembrist uprising, on the battleship Potemkin and Pugachev, Bloody Sunday suppressed? in the occupied territories of the RSFSR there was an auxiliary police who served the Germans. Why did you rename the police to the police? Are your FSB officers ashamed of the title of Chekist?
dirt, if desired, can be found everywhere. And the BCHB flag is not a symbol of opposition, but a historical one. And many things were done under him. As under your

[Wolf]

Tandem, with all due respect, but it is necessary to realize the time of the creation of NATIONS in Europe in the 17th, 18th, 19th centuries, by whom they were created, for what purposes and how. As the Catholic Church and the Jesuit bonds, the help of the Masons divided the SLAVS, the PEOPLE into different nations and then sent one to another. It was a complex operation, different letters were created, grammatical rules were made in one country to another, they wrote a false history, etc. Look at the letter for the example of Polakov and Chekhov, they write in Latin letters, but there are a lot of different letters, and what are the consequences of this? Or the modern operation of the divided Cyrillic letters of Belarus, Ukraine and Rusia, when "REFORMATORS" made 3 different letters. Now there is a division of the Orthodox Church according to the national principle, this is the last part of the operation.
So the national symbolism is important and it is necessary to understand who understood it, for what, when, and for what purposes. How and who are these "REFORMERS" letters and languages ​​and history writers and what they did and for what. For what there is no more Prusian language, etc. ...
When all this look at the whole picture of events, there will be a lot of clear and modern events in Ukraine, Rusie and Belarus.
Masters have been working opposite the Slavic people for centuries!

[Tank hard]

Quote: tandem

And the BCHB flag is not a symbol of opposition, but a historical one

Do not share his story, I only heard a certain one:
[media =https://regnum.ru/news/2325806.html]

[Victorio]

Quote: Tank Hard

Quote: tandem

And the BCHB flag is not a symbol of opposition, but a historical one

Do not share his story, I only heard a certain one:
[media =https://regnum.ru/news/2325806.html]

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it's not evening yet, they will write about the flag, and about history, and about inhuman suffering with deprivation.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Victorio

it's not evening yet, they will write about the flag, and about history, and about inhuman suffering with deprivation.

We wait.

[Thompson]

Already write below

[Tank hard]

Quote: Thompson

Already write below

I have a link there, above. There is enough detail and interesting about the flag and colors. which the opposition loved so much. If they prove the opposite, with good arguments, I will read it, but I do not believe it ...

[Elephant]

To deprive this ambassador of his citizenship and not to let the traitor into Belarus!

[Prisoner]

Do you think he will just crash back? If only a Mosachist. Or about the dictator Lukashenko and his KGB, the usual liberal nonsense.

[Thompson]

Quote: pytar

Here is the argument: A person who, having all the official and personal state privileges, publicly spoke out against the regime and submitted it, losing his guaranteed comfort, deserves respect!

If he did THIS before THESE events, there would be your truth and respect for him.
And during and after the events, he simply realized that THIS place no longer shone for him and decided to withdraw himself until the dad himself eliminated him. Draining included

[Thompson]

Quote: tandem

Lkashists rigged elections

The phrase smacks of ukramajda. Following your logic, are you a euroshist?
Any result of Lukashenka more than 50% is falsification for you and this is a medical fact or a mathematical axiom !!! And that's the whole point

[tandem]

is it more usual to hang labels?

[Thompson]

Quote: tandem

But there is a problem. - Lkashists

As usual, we don't notice the logs in our eye ???

[tandem]

specify the claim

[Thompson]

And what I specified above twice ???
OK. yours are LKSHISTS. Who and what?
In response, my - eurashist? from the word European
What's wrong?

[Gennady Fomkin]

On the one hand, I want order. but I also want freedom ...

Either revolution, or sturgeon with horseradish.

[tandem]

I want to comply with the laws. And legal rights

[BISMARCK94]

It is interesting to me that the ambassadors hardly receive little, but this one also lives in Europe. But he exchanged a warm, familiar chair for a civil position. It seems to be a fine fellow, he participates in politics and all that, but chtoli don’t need money?

[tandem]

have you heard about conscience?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: tandem

have you heard about conscience?

Where big politics begins, conscience is usually left at the entrance.

[tandem]

it's not very big here. Yes, and dumb. Here the director of the museum refused to sign the forged voting protocol at the PEC. I called my wife that he was going home and disappeared. Found dead today. Cops think suicide

[Prisoner]

I wonder what the local workers "cloak and dagger" hooked on?

[BAI]

Prepares for himself the place of Minister of Foreign Affairs under the new government.

[Victorio]

Quote: BAI

Prepares for himself the place of Minister of Foreign Affairs under the new government.

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) exactly, removed from the tongue.

[NF68]

For this they can be imprisoned. He is still not some teenager who still has the wind in his head.

[Reserve buildbat]

Like jumped off until kicked out, and with the hope that it’s not up to him, and then they will forget. Rogue

[Hair]

The foreign minister must be dismissed immediately.

[Iris]

They also say that there are no honest and sincere people in diplomatic work ..

[Kunashir 1976]

Dear visitors of this resource! I am a citizen of Russia, I live in Belarus, and yes, in Belarus! But I am a patriot of my Motherland, Great Russia. I can say first-hand what is happening in Belarus. Terrible things are happening in Belarus and all decent people who have conscience and honor must react to this. You don’t know much and don’t even guess, but genocide of your own people is happening, by a man who has lost his mind. 26 years, just think, 26 years he has been in power, a whole generation has grown up that does not know any other power. To this day, after the protests, more than 50 people cannot be found! Grief in 50 families! The people rose up after they were blatantly deceived with the vote count, and after they began to be indignant, they were further tortured and killed. Even the workers at the factories come out against Alexander Grigorievich. Yes, he did a lot for the Republic, many thanks to him for that, but his time has passed. From my own experience, I will say that in Belarus they treat Russians very well, there is not a drop of Russophobia, the people are very tolerant. Peace and goodness to everyone. And a couple of links, please take a look.

https://news.tut.by/economics/697202.html#ua:smart_ln_news_bytime~3


https://youtu.be/00xefH0OzDU

[Alexander X]

Another daughter of an officer

[smart fellow]

Just a Venezuelan scenario. Pompey took it out of the chest.

[Alexander X]

So the rats ran. It is necessary to select employees for key positions more carefully