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Russian transit under the Turkish march

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Bound by one goal?



The crisis situation with gas supplies from Russia to Turkey, by all indications, has reached its maximum. However, the problem itself goes far beyond the gas issues in bilateral relations. At the same time, Ankara went to such a sharp gas demarche against Moscow not only because of the serious contradictions in Syria and the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict.

Since the beginning of the implementation of the dubious Turkish Stream project, Turkey has been well aware of its purely political background. And they were not slow to take advantage of this. The notorious gas bypass of Ukraine was soberly regarded there as a very transparent propaganda move, which can be seen even on the geographical map

When Gazprom's managers chose a transit route through Turkey instead of Ukraine, these strategists gained enviable confidence in the indefinite dependence of the Black Sea neighbor on Russian gas. And this despite the fact that we do not even have a common border with Turkey, and the route itself is much longer and, naturally, expensive.

Russian transit under the Turkish march

Thus, Russia actually once again underscored its own dependence on the export of natural gas. And this, in turn, makes it possible to successfully manipulate this factor both for importers and new transit countries. The desire for a closer partnership with Turkey was expressed even in preliminary informal consultations with Ankara on the forms of Turkey's association with the EAEU.

It is characteristic that this was done without the participation of Armenia, a full member of the EAEU, but so far this issue remains unresolved. So tightly tied to Turkish transit, the Russian side ultimately fails to respond appropriately to Ankara's assertive policies in a number of regions. Including in Syria, Iraq, post-Soviet Central Asia, Cyprus, as well as in relation to Armenia and even Crimea.

In this regard, the joint military maneuvers of Turkey and Azerbaijan, held in the first ten days of August, not far from the borders of Armenia, are very indicative in this regard. And although, in addition to the EAEU, Armenia, together with Russia, is also a member of the CSTO, the exercises did not provoke at least a proper official assessment from Moscow.

You don't need to be a tourist


It seems that the long-standing dependence of the Russian tourism business on Turkish partners also affects Turkey's relations with Russia. We remind them that we managed to "persuade" them to open Turkey (contrary to the real situation with COVID-19) for Russian tourists exhausted from overwork.

By all external indications, Ankara is using the gas and allied levers in relations with Moscow in a complex and very effective manner. Thus, according to the Russian customs service, in June 2020, Gazprom supplied only 2 million cubic meters of gas to Turkey, which is 585 times less than in June 2019! And a thousand times less than in January 2020.

In fact, gas supplies came to naught: at the beginning of the third quarter of this year, Turkey accounted for only 0,01 percent of Russian gas exports. Let's remind that three years ago the Turkish share reached 15%.

Since mid-May, Blue Stream has been suspended due to planned repairs. And on July 27, the Turkish Botas (the main Turkish partner of Gazprom) announced - for the second time in June-July - the stoppage of the Turkish Stream. Moreover, under the same official pretext: the gas pipeline was stopped due to repair work.

Gazprom sells gas to Turkey at a price of $ 220 per 1000 cubic meters (by the way, at the insistence of Ankara, the price has been reduced since 2017), and the price for the EU countries is at most $ 82. So for this reason, Turkey is more active from the beginning. 2020 moves to cheaper alternatives: pipeline gas (no more than $ 85) from Azerbaijan, Iran, Iraq; for LNG from Algeria, Qatar, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria and the USA.

The cost of 1 cubic meters of LNG currently does not exceed $ 75, and the minimum price option for LNG is around $ 65. Moreover, Azerbaijan, according to OPEC and Reuters, is becoming the largest gas supplier to Turkey, which, of course, is due to known political factors (see. "And if not for Karabakh: on the borders between the republics of the Caucasus").

Among them, it should be noted that within the framework of the "Turkic Council" headed by Turkey, there is a program of energy and economic integration in general. The "Turkic Council" was formed in 1995 as a political union of Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. Hungary and the self-proclaimed Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus participate in its work with observer status.

Negative outlook


How will the situation develop further? A number of Turkish media outlets believe that Ankara is thus forcing Moscow to make foreign policy concessions, especially in relation to Armenia, Syria and to "non-resistance" to integration within the framework of the "Turkic Council". But in general, both Turkish and global demand for natural gas remains low and, according to all forecasts, will remain so until the end of this year.

Therefore, Ankara, according to the estimates of many Turkish analysts, will certainly demand a significant reduction in prices for Russian gas. However, the actual volumes of purchases and transit via the Turkish Stream (even if Moscow makes price concessions) will depend mainly on foreign policy concessions from the Russian Federation.

This forecast is confirmed, for example, by the Bulgarian weekly Expert (Sofia). Publication May 20, 2020:

Turkey is replacing Russian gas with liquefied gas. Last year, Turkey increased imports of liquefied gas by 13% - up to 9,1 million tons. The largest suppliers were Algeria (40%), Qatar, Nigeria and the United States. Russian supplies to the Turkish market decreased by 35% - to 15 billion cubic meters in 2019, the lowest level in 10 years. Gas pipelines "Blue Stream" and "Turkish Stream" with a total capacity of 35 billion cubic meters remained half empty. And in March 2020, the capacity of these two pipelines was used only by 10%.



The trend towards an increase in the share of liquefied gas in Turkey has developed this year as well. The country plans to increase the purchase of liquefied gas in the spot markets (short-term deals). This was also the reason for the extension of the strange prevention of the Blue Stream gas pipeline.

Liquefied gas is currently significantly cheaper than the Russian pipeline, so Turkey's behavior makes sense,

- notes the head of the research company Rystad Energy Carlos Torres Diaz. According to him, Gazprom's supplies cost Turkey $ 6,5 per million BTU (British thermal unit) against $ 1,5-2 per liquefied gas.

Upon the expiration of the BOTAŞ agreement with Gazprom in 2021, Ankara plans to seek price discounts from the Russian concern.
Access to cheap LPG and falling demand are signaling our pipeline suppliers to be flexible.

- Turkish Deputy Energy Minister Alparslan Bayraktar said on May 16.

It is significant that not from Moscow or St. Petersburg, but from abroad it is reported that Gazprom is preparing for an even more serious deterioration in the situation with Turkish supplies.

Meanwhile, Moscow's intransigence precisely on foreign policy issues, primarily on the problem of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict, led, we recall, to the fact that in the early 2010s the project of the Trans-Turkish oil pipeline (about 500 km) between the Black Sea and Mediterranean ports of Turkey - Samsun was actually canceled. (Terme terminal) and Ceyhan.


The project was initiated by the Russian oil business at the turn of the 90s and 2000s due to restrictions imposed (of course for political reasons) by Turkey in 1995 on the Bosphorus - Sea of ​​Marmara - Dardanelles route. It is still one of the main export routes for Soviet and post-Soviet oil.

But the Turkish side, as a result, preferred to preserve Russia's dependence on the Bosphorus transit (where restrictions on the passage of tankers were relaxed in the early 2010s). The point is that the oil pipeline alternative for Russia via Turkey was regarded as a potential lever of Moscow's political pressure on Ankara.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 19 August 2020 05: 27 New
    -15
    Russian transit under the Turkish march
    Not yet evening.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 19 August 2020 06: 09 New
      29
      The complete failure of the Kremlin's mediocre pipe policy. The most unpleasant thing in this sad story is that no one will answer for this before the people. It is clear that the people will not live better from this. And it is perfectly clear that those above will live better regardless of anything.
      1. marchcat
        marchcat 19 August 2020 06: 30 New
        +4
        First they do it, and then they start thinking .... everything is as always.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 19 August 2020 06: 33 New
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          Grandmaster Putin replaced one inconvenient transit country, Ukraine, with an even more inconvenient one, Turkey. Brilliant plan !! But who will be responsible for the losses?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 19 August 2020 08: 25 New
            +4
            Quote: Stas157
            Grandmaster Putin

            But what a grandmaster he is, any thinking person knows that a stick has two ends. And all these Turkish feints can be used against themselves. Limit travel to Turkey, impose restrictions on the import of vegetables and fruits in the best traditions of Onishchenko, and keep smiling at intergovernmental meetings. After all, everything worked out with tomatoes, although the answer was inadequate. hi
            1. snucerist
              snucerist 19 August 2020 09: 34 New
              +7
              Is it only Turkey?
              Well, you have to look at things more globally.
              This is a glaring failure of Gazprom's entire policy.
              The Turkish Stream is a failure. Exports in this direction will only decline, while the price will fall.
              The situation is similar with Power of Siberia. The price is falling, supplies are falling sharply. And, as I already said, China is absolutely not on the drum with the clause "take or pay" stipulated in the contract. In addition, China is rapidly increasing its own production and increasing LNG supplies. Why, under these conditions, Gazprom conceived the idea of ​​building the Power of Siberia-2 - only Gazprom knows.
              SP-2 covered himself with a copper basin. The project, in principle, could possibly be completed, but only at the cost of colossal geopolitical concessions to Russia. And nothing else. The States will not go to another option. Foreign companies (even Asian ones) cannot poke their heads under sanctions, and Russia itself is unable to complete the flow. Neither technically nor technologically, Chersky still does not have the equipment for laying large-diameter pipes.
              The only recent "achievement" of Gazprom is that it extended its contract with Ukraine. Forced. From under the stick. For there was nowhere to go, cornered. Now Russia will regularly unbuckle money to a neighboring country for transit within 5 years (albeit in a slightly smaller amount).
              Now, against the background of these stunning "successes" of Gazprom, it is high time to pay attention to the salaries of the "effective managers" of this company. An interesting thing comes to light: these nimble little boys do not limit themselves in salaries. Moreover, for some reason these salaries in no way depend on the results of their work.
              Failure as a result of work? What is it to me? Take my money out and put it in!
              At the end of the 1st quarter of 2020, Gazprom sharply increased payments to its top managers by 1,7 times. This is against the background of losses of 306 billion rubles!
              "14 members of the holding's board received remuneration totaling 585,14 million rubles, according to the quarterly report published on Monday.
              Of the accrued payments, only a quarter fell on wages (150,9 million rubles), while the main part was provided by bonuses (346,2 million rubles) and "other types of remuneration" (87,9 million rubles), the amount of which was three times the amount for all last year. "
              For what? But for this - Gazprom's export in January-March fell by 20%, and purchases were cut by almost all key consumers: Germany - by 23%, Italy and Turkey - by 18%, Austria - by 25%, France - by 7 %.
              Links to the coronavirus would have passed if it had a similar effect on the money of these nimble guys.
              But for some reason, the trend is completely different: “labor costs in the first quarter of 2020 increased by 2019 percent against the level of the first quarter of 11, and by 2019 percent against the level of the fourth quarter of 16. At the same time, the amount of remuneration of the board for the reporting quarter increased , as already mentioned, by 2019 times to the level of the first quarter of 1,7 (the average salary of Gazprom employees in the first quarter increased by only 2019 percent to the level of the first quarter of 6), and by the level of the fourth quarter of 2019
              - 2,4 times. "
              Not bad? Does the government see this rosy picture at all? The president? Accounts Chamber? The prosecutor's office? Investigative committee?
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 19 August 2020 18: 53 New
                -2
                Everything is written in the article and you just sucked the same out of your finger for one day - all these projects are designed for decades and here you can argue in all seriousness that in the future LNG and all energy resources can skyrocket in price just like oil, so it's too early for you bury JV 2 Turkish Stream - which, according to the plan, goes further to Bulgaria, Serbia, etc. Russia as well as projects to expand the production of hydrogen.
          2. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 19 August 2020 08: 41 New
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            Quote: Stas157
            But who will be responsible for the losses?

            As usual, the losses will be covered by the budget, Gazprom's "effective managers" will receive their fees, and the state will lower the ruble against the dollar, so that the profits of exporters of raw materials would be higher. So, it turns out, the people will answer.
            1. Pirate
              Pirate 19 August 2020 11: 12 New
              +2
              The people went to this for a long 20 years, let it enjoy laughing
          3. kris_67
            kris_67 21 August 2020 08: 40 New
            +2
            "But who will be responsible for the loss?" - not Putin for sure, he did not know about it. All this the officials did not consult with him. And the losses will be written off or compensated for by the next tax.
          4. 72jora72
            72jora72 22 August 2020 23: 34 New
            0
            Grandmaster Putin replaced one inconvenient transit country, Ukraine, with an even more inconvenient one, Turkey. Brilliant plan !! But who will be responsible for the losses?
            And there are still problems ahead with the Akkuyu NPP, which we are building for the Turks.
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 19 August 2020 06: 32 New
        -3
        what does the Kremlin's policy have to do with it?) there is a crisis in the world. economic. political. military. any. the closer to autumn, the worse things will get. no one counted on this and could not predict. there is so much gas that there is simply nowhere to put it. the energy markets are now being completely re-formatted. forecasts of a fall in gas consumption this year of about 150 billion cubic meters. gas storages in Europe are already stupidly packed 70 percent more than a year ago. spot prices will now easily go into negative levels - you will also be paid extra to take gas. of course, in such layouts, pipeline gas is squeezed out liquefied. but the crisis will pass later. and liquefied prices will return to profitability levels. and this concerns all players in the world, not just Gazprom. do you think against the backdrop of all this storm just because states with SP2 are fighting so hard?
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 19 August 2020 06: 48 New
          +8
          Quote: carstorm 11
          what does the Kremlin's policy have to do with it?)

          Well yes. Erdogan himself decided to build the Turkish Stream! True?
          And it must happen that among the main suppliers of gas to Turkey, Erdogan cut consumption only from the Russian supplier.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 19 August 2020 06: 58 New
            0
            he takes what is now stupidly cheaper. who would have acted differently? it is a world crisis. and all the reasons are only in him. this is happening all over the world.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 19 August 2020 07: 03 New
              +7
              Quote: carstorm 11
              he takes what is now stupidly cheaper.

              But what about the take-or-pay contract? It turns out that the partner does not fulfill contracts! Why do we need such unreliable transit? Ukraine alone is not enough?

              Why are you trying to whitewash Erdogan ?? Does he pay you extra? I’m sure not!
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 19 August 2020 07: 05 New
                -4
                penalties will be cheaper. with such price surges due to this viral crisis and glut, you yourself see the difference in prices. you can count yourself.
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 19 August 2020 07: 27 New
                  +7
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  penalties will be cheaper

                  Will there be penalties? I have not heard that anyone is suing Turkish partners. Can you confirm your assumptions with links? Or is everything at the level of fantasy?
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 19 August 2020 07: 39 New
                    +1
                    not fantasies but knowledge of what are the main features of the document. on the understanding that the payment of compensation is a prerequisite for its conclusion.
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 19 August 2020 07: 48 New
                      +6
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      not fantasies and knowledge what are the main features of the document. on the understanding that the payment of compensation is a prerequisite for its conclusion.

                      About knowledge. The story of the Mistrals immediately comes to mind. According to the contracts, they had to pay huge compensation ... but, Putin refused this, going to a meeting with partners. So don't say gop and don't dream ahead of time. ... Although, what am I talking about? You just go about your usual business - justify power as soon as you can.
                      1. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 19 August 2020 08: 15 New
                        -5
                        I didn't say a single word about power. but simply pointed out to you the fact that the contract has mandatory clauses and compensation for damage is one of them. As for the decision on the mistrals, this happens. and I don't think it's right. it was necessary to rip off in full, but apparently behind the scenes they agreed on something.
                      2. bairat
                        bairat 19 August 2020 09: 12 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Stas157
                        The story of the Mistrals immediately comes to mind. The contracts were supposed to pay huge compensation ... but Putin refused this,

                        Judging by publicly available sources, compensation was paid
                        The exact amount that France paid to Russia for non-delivery of two Mistral-class helicopter carriers was 949 euros, according to the bill on the ratification of the agreement between Paris and Moscow, posted on the website of the National Assembly (lower house of parliament) of France.
                      3. Stas157
                        Stas157 19 August 2020 09: 25 New
                        +2
                        Well, then there is still justice in the world. hi
                    2. Alber alber
                      Alber alber 20 August 2020 01: 37 New
                      +1
                      Or you can link to the GDP's refusal to pay compensation, as far as is known, the technical documentation, denyuzhki and competencies were obtained, which made it possible in a short time to carry out R&D on the Priboy project and to equip the shipyard in Crimea with the necessary equipment in a short time slipways
        2. uranium
          uranium 24 August 2020 01: 55 New
          0
          Quote: Stas157
          Erdogan cut consumption only from a Russian supplier.

          the article must be read there it is clearly written that the price of Russian gas for Turkey is $ 220 and for Europe it is $ 85. Therefore, it is stupid to buy in 3 way when there is an alternative.
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir 19 August 2020 06: 59 New
        +8
        what does the Kremlin's policy have to do with it?)


        and so? To be proud that we have created a country with constant crises, but someone is flourishing, someone, despite the sanctions, is increasing their billions. What are you speaking about?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 19 August 2020 07: 02 New
          -8
          this is a global crisis. !!! with this person there were at least two.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 19 August 2020 07: 11 New
            +8
            this is a global crisis.
            it is a wrong economic system, in common parlance capitalism, which generates crises.
            Under Stalin there was only one crisis of 1941-1945.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 19 August 2020 07: 15 New
              -7
              but were right after him. 57 as an example. And capitalism was not there.
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 19 August 2020 07: 19 New
                +7
                57 year
                as they say, God forbid to live with Nikita, although Misha gave us all a better crisis. Oh, in vain they regretted the children in August 1991.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 19 August 2020 07: 25 New
                  +1
                  Well, it means that not only capitalism generates crises) but about onizhedeti I completely agree. you can't break everything when you can rebuild.
                  1. Stas157
                    Stas157 19 August 2020 08: 18 New
                    +3
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    well, it means not only capitalism that generates crises)

                    No one is immune from the crisis, but only capitalism is doomed to systemic cyclical crises all the time.

                    Dmitry, the more I read you, the more it seems that you are engaged in verbal balancing act, and not in search of truth in an argument.
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 19 August 2020 08: 24 New
                      -4
                      and you try not to get into conversations with your feet, and if you do, then read the beginning of the conversation. As for who does what, excuse me, but I'm not saying what you do, right? if you have one way to truth, then I have another.
                    2. Stas157
                      Stas157 19 August 2020 08: 26 New
                      +5
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      and you try in conversations do not fit

                      Strange claims of a person writing to a public forum! Write to your counterpart in a personal, then no one will "fit" to you.
                    3. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 19 August 2020 08: 27 New
                      -7
                      do not get in with your feet and not at all)
                  2. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 19 August 2020 08: 52 New
                    +8
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    if you have one way to truth, then I have another.

                    Your "path to truth" is always support and justification of the course pursued by "Great Putin" and his bucket party.
                  3. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 19 August 2020 08: 57 New
                    +1
                    Lord ... one more ... well, you don't like something, it's your business. I prefer logic and at least basic knowledge of my opponent. and your eternal showdown political you like that without me already. I’m neither white nor red.
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 19 August 2020 08: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: carstorm 11
      this is a global crisis. !!! with this person there were at least two.

      that's it! during the Great Depression in the USA, we just started to grow
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 19 August 2020 08: 34 New
    +7
    Quote: carstorm 11
    you will also be paid extra to take gas.

    But at the same time Gazprom will raise gas tariffs for its own population. good Given that the gasification of horseradish (plant) will wait.
    Listen to you, so you will justify any Kremlin mess. negative
    30 silversmiths, or do they pay more now? wink
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 19 August 2020 08: 47 New
      -7
      firstly, I don’t put Gazprom and the Kremlin next door. but I'm talking purely about the business entity. if this is the same for you, then it is not for me. with regard to the rise in prices, you are right. As for gasification, I simply do not believe that this will happen quickly under any government and president. and even more so. for one simple reason, we even now consume more gas than the entire European Union. and the more gasifying the country the consumption will be more and more. it is not beneficial to the state. and will not.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 19 August 2020 09: 29 New
        +9
        Quote: carstorm 11
        it is not beneficial to the state. and will not.

        What are the goals of the state, according to the constitution? Benefit from their own population to extract? Are you confusing anything? Based on your logic, I have to take money from the children for food. And my wife should take money from me (you know why) at the market rate. bully
        What are you, the Kremlin people, trying to justify by economic expediency? You will never understand that the first task of the state is the welfare and security of its citizens, everything else is secondary. I will explain it in a peasant way - we have grown a crop of potatoes, left ourselves a reserve for the winter, sold the surplus.
        Accordingly, you provide yourself at cost, and not at the market price. And you don't explain to the children at the table that there are not enough potatoes in the plate, because they are expensive, and we sold all of them. And the money was taken to the bank.
        Understand, "drowning" for the corrupt power, you are betraying your ancestors, who are building this country with sweat and blood, as well as descendants who will have to live on a squeezed and squeezed land. Although, if you look at the decline of the Russian population, completely different people will live on this land.
        This is what you do not want to understand.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 19 August 2020 10: 02 New
          -7
          to the state in this case it is for all of us. this will all lead to market gas prices for everyone.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 19 August 2020 10: 14 New
            +5
            Due to what, Miller's lost profit? belay
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 19 August 2020 10: 21 New
              -5
              the country still needs taxes? Given the fact that our domestic gas prices for the population are one of the smallest in the world, I see no other options.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 19 August 2020 13: 40 New
                +6
                Quote: carstorm 11
                the country still needs taxes?

                Of course, they are paid by the entire population of the country. But you're talking about other taxes, right? wink So tell me please, what taxes does the budget of developed European countries, where there is no oil and gas, consist of? Along the way, tell me whether high domestic energy prices are a brake on the economy? Please answer directly. hi
      2. Roman246810
        Roman246810 19 August 2020 09: 45 New
        +7
        the more gasifying the country the consumption will be more and more. it is not beneficial to the state. and will not.


        Something I don’t understand ..
        People appoint me as chairman in a garage cooperative or on a collective farm .. They appoint me so that they can live better there !!
        Yesterday I stood with them in the crowd .. and we discussed how and what would be more beneficial for all of us ..
        And tomorrow I'm already sitting in an armchair .. and I tell them that their requests are not beneficial for us ..
        Nonsense .. The state is who ?? These are, first of all, people !!
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 19 August 2020 10: 03 New
          -9
          people and mean. Well, let's say I'll replace the word state with a country if it's easier. the volume of domestic consumption will grow. exports to fall. which means prices will start to rise for everyone. and everyone will forget that for the population they are among the smallest in the world
  • Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 19 August 2020 11: 37 New
    +3
    Quote: carstorm 11
    what does the Kremlin's policy have to do with it?)

    Despite the fact that the sale of raw materials does not build great powers. This is one of two things. Either to sell raw materials, on a large scale, or to climb into the world arena. Or um ... A young lady of low social responsibility who thinks how to get up more comfortably for a client, or a high-class fighter. And to stand in the knee-elbow, trying to satisfy the Turk better, and at the same time try to knock him out ... It is somewhat problematic. And this is exactly how the Russian leadership is trying to behave. That - "what will Mr. Erdogan please", then - "here I am a tomato huckster." And in the end, no money from the client, no victory in the ring, but just low-profile pornography.
  • Civil
    Civil 19 August 2020 07: 11 New
    +4
    Quote: Stas157
    The most unpleasant thing in this sad story is that no one will answer for this before the people.

    They will be responsible to the management, Gazprom is no longer accountable to anyone.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 19 August 2020 07: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: Civil
      Quote: Stas157
      The most unpleasant thing in this sad story is that no one will answer for this before the people.

      They will be responsible to the management, Gazprom is no longer accountable to anyone.

      This year, Gazprom plans to use 50 profits for payments to shareholders
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 19 August 2020 08: 36 New
        10
        Will there be losses to the people again? laughing
  • ccsr
    ccsr 22 August 2020 16: 30 New
    0
    Quote: Stas157
    The complete failure of the Kremlin's mediocre pipe policy. The most unpleasant thing in this sad story is that no one will answer for this before the people.

    More recently, people like you shouted about how Putin is selling gold, and what a horror it is for the country and our people. I recommend reading what experts write in order to understand that Putin does not bastard soup when he conducts economic policy:

    Germany was amazed at President Putin's foresight regarding gold. “If Vladimir Putin headed an investment fund, he would now be a hero among stockists. He staked on gold, and in the year of the coronavirus pandemic and the global recession, it turned out to be one of the most profitable assets, ” - writes "Deutsche Welle". The price of gold soared from $ 1500 to $ 2000 an ounce between January and August. This is a historic maximum. The strategy of Russian President Vladimir Putin to constantly increase the country's gold reserves turned out to be the most correct in the era of COVID-19. Five years ago, the conservative German newspaper Die Welt argued that the Russian president had made a strategic miscalculation by significantly increasing the share of gold in Russia's international reserves. The newspaper predicted that the country would lose billions due to the collapsing gold prices. Now the editor of the economics department of Die Welt, Holger Zschepitz, admitted that his opinion was wrong. “Putin wanted to reduce the dependence of Russian reserves on the US dollar, and with the help of gold he skillfully coped with this geopolitical task,” Tschepitz said.
    According to him, the Russian president is acting quite smartly, although the country's economy is still stalling, and the population lives poorly. As of August 13, Russia's international reserves rose to $ 600 billion. This is above the historic record of 2008. At the same time, German experts believe that the increase in gold reserves was intended to reduce the use of the dollar. Previously, Rambler reported that, according to experts, Russia buys gold because the dollar is used as a weapon by its opponents.

    https://finance.rambler.ru/economics/44707873-v-germanii-priznali-pravotu-putina/?utm_content=finance_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

    The same will happen with our gas pipelines, perhaps not in five years, but a little later due to the current sanctions against SP-2.
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 19 August 2020 06: 29 New
    +5
    The fact of the matter is that our gas business turns out to be even worse in the evening.
    1. depressant
      depressant 19 August 2020 09: 42 New
      +6
      That's it. Seven Turkish companies that have concluded long-term agreements with Gazprom owe the corporation $ 2 billion and are not going to return it.
      Meanwhile, the terms of the contracts are such that even if the buyer did not use and did not choose the full amount of gas, he still has to pay for the volume specified in the contract. The Turks motivate their refusal by the fact that a rather warm winter and the spring pandemic crisis led to a sharp reduction in needs.
      So it turned out that in total for the last year and 2020, these seven companies used only 20% of the gas volume under the contract agreement. Gazprom tells them "Pay as agreed, for all 100%", and they answer "No! We have force majeure." It's good if they pay at least for the volumes used. And they argue because there is a precedent for a dispute between Gazprom and Ukraine, which refused to pay for unused gas. The Gazprom Corporation (therefore, we are all part of us), by the decision of the Stockholm court, lost $ 5 billion. The court wrote off a debt of $ 2 billion to Ukraine, and imposed penalty costs on Gazprom for $ 3 billion, which in fact became a loss ...

      I'm not an expert. Probably, this is a common practice when a buyer has to pay for something, even if he did not choose the goods from the warehouse, but the contract has been concluded, and there is a logic behind it. Indeed, the product could have been sold to someone else for real money. But in conditions of overproduction of energy resources?
      I don’t watch TV, but I pay diligently for it. Of course, you can terminate the contract. Well, what if something turns out to be so important that you have to look at the box around the clock, and its screen is not a small phone screen. I cannot blame Gazprom for the contract, which it would be nice to call "compulsory" in relation to the buyer. Indeed, in the face of huge competition among suppliers, the conclusion of a "compulsory" gas contract looks like a great success. But such figures as Gazprom and others, including the television network that gives me a picture on the big screen, should always remember that the consumer in our time always has an alternative. For example, I have a phone screen, albeit small. The Turks have a host of suppliers.
      And that's why I want to say: Gazprom, do not sue the Turks, look for compromise solutions! From experience with Ukraine, you will go broke on fines, and together with you, we will. But does the contract include the ability to turn off the tap?
      They say that gas continues to flow, the Turks take as much as they want, but from us - in decreasing order, for $ 220, and in increasing order - from Azerbaijan and all the others, if I am not mistaken, at $ 92.
      So it turned out that thanks to the short-sighted decisions of the top management of Gazprom, Turkish Stream, as an important component of our foreign policy, is involved in no more than 25%, and even losses will quickly strengthen the upward trend if further decisions by Gazprom are made in the same spirit as before.
  • Pirate
    Pirate 19 August 2020 08: 28 New
    +7
    No, it's not evening already morning! laughing
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 August 2020 19: 02 New
      -6
      Today it moves - and tomorrow it returns again to purchases from Gazprom, since everyone lives in no one unlike some.
  • Pirate
    Pirate 19 August 2020 09: 08 New
    0
    Mavrikiy is it you put a minus to all my comments?
  • iouris
    iouris 19 August 2020 20: 44 New
    0
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    Not yet evening.

    We still have to live until the evening.
  • Grandfather
    Grandfather 19 August 2020 05: 30 New
    18
    "The power of Siberia" - China doesn’t need nafig, but the money was thrown in, the "Turkish stream" is similar ... cunning plans of the GDP ... "non-raw materials economy" and "getting up from its knees" with "jerks and" breakthroughs "drove the country into a financial institution.
    1. Far B
      Far B 19 August 2020 05: 59 New
      +9
      Shaw are you so? All the braces were taken out of the galley. You have been asked so, so asked - treat with understanding. We will wait another 16 years - and it will be, everything will be. Those who will live.
      1. Roman246810
        Roman246810 19 August 2020 09: 47 New
        +1
        asked - treat with understanding. We will wait another 16 years - and it will be, everything will be.
        It's straightforward, even though you can insert a nickname ..))
    2. forest1
      forest1 19 August 2020 06: 15 New
      +7
      There is a transition from a raw-material economy to a non-resource-based one - pipe-building, the next stage can be - a post-pipe-building economy, for example, scrap processing, if, of course, it is generally justified.
    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 19 August 2020 06: 36 New
      -6
      with what fright is not needed? The power of Siberia is not just a pipe. it is a complex with a bunch of factories.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 19 August 2020 06: 58 New
        +9
        Quote: carstorm 11
        with what fright is not needed? The power of Siberia is not just a pipe. it is a complex with a bunch of factories.

        And please announce the profitability! Unprofitable enterprises do not lead to prosperity.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 19 August 2020 07: 32 New
          -3
          I cannot calculate it. the Chinese do not reveal the details of the contract.
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 19 August 2020 12: 48 New
          -3
          Quote: Stas157
          And please announce the profitability! Unprofitable enterprises do not lead to prosperity.

          And the profitability in long-term projects for the initial period is not calculated - at least you would not publicly show your illiteracy in economic matters. Apparently you nifiga did not teach the course of political economy, but you have already decided to enlighten everyone with your "science" ...
        3. Vadim237
          Vadim237 19 August 2020 19: 05 New
          -2
          "And please announce the profitability! Unprofitable enterprises do not lead to prosperity." Where did you get this - did you invent it yourself?
      2. Pike
        Pike 19 August 2020 07: 26 New
        +4
        China, like Turkey, does not choose the plan for the "Power of Siberia" and has switched to other sources of supplies.
        with what fright is not needed? Power of Siberia
      3. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 19 August 2020 08: 18 New
        0
        Quote: carstorm 11
        it is a complex with a bunch of factories.

        Plants for the sale of the Motherland?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 19 August 2020 08: 19 New
          -5
          polymers. liquefied gas.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 19 August 2020 09: 32 New
            +4
            Quote: carstorm 11
            polymers. liquefied gas

            about polymers where you can read ??
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 19 August 2020 19: 07 New
              -1
              Russia has not pissed away all polymers
              Sibur ”began implementation of the project of the Amur Gas Chemical Complex (AGHK). In the long term, until 2040, the project will increase the volume of non-resource exports of the Russian Federation by 4,6 trillion rubles.

              Investments in the construction of the Amur Gas Chemical Complex are tentatively estimated at $ 10-11 billion. The expanded configuration of the AGHK assumes a production capacity of up to 2,7 million tons of polymers per year (approximately 2,3 million tons of polyethylene and 0,4 million tons of polypropylene). The main feedstock will be ethane fraction and liquefied petroleum gases from Gazprom's Amur Gas Processing Plant (AGPP), which will be supplied in a volume of up to 3,5 million tons per year. The Amur Gas Chemical Complex itself is being built in close proximity to the Amur Gas Processing Plant under construction by Gazprom.

              The productivity of the complex is 1,35 times higher than the total volume of Russian export of polymers in 2019.
    4. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 19 August 2020 08: 58 New
      +8
      Quote: Dead Day
      drove the country into an opu.

      She is still sitting there since Gorbachev and is not going to get out.
    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 August 2020 19: 04 New
      -3
      Finish carrying nonsense.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 19 August 2020 05: 34 New
    13
    It is not known when the Turkish Stream and the Power of Siberia will pay off, so much money has been invested and now the question arises whether they were needed?
    1. Far B
      Far B 19 August 2020 05: 56 New
      10
      the question arises, were they needed?
      Of course we do! To trumpet joyfully: "Ah, are you sanctioning us ??? And right now we will make a U-turn to the East!" The first person rating, again, to support ... There was enough support for several years. True, it’s too expensive to pump billions of evergreen money to support the rating, but nothing, as we can see, the First’s face didn’t even crack. While. The rating, however, is again hanging, but that is ...
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 19 August 2020 06: 41 New
        -6
        end up with propaganda. take care of the economy eg. if you forgot that Gazprom has now signed a huge internal contract for 20 years and 900 yards of gas domestically. gas liquefaction project in Ust-Luga and a gas chemical plant.
        1. Far B
          Far B 19 August 2020 06: 54 New
          +7
          Gazprom has now signed a huge domestic contract for 20 years and 900 yards of gas domestically
          So what? Russia has been sitting for exactly 20 years with one irreplaceable needle on the oil and gas needle - has it made a great leap forward? Portugal already overtaken? Do you think that in 20 years, through the efforts of Gazprom, we will still overtake someone? Well, at least someone?
          do the economy for example
          The economy, for example, should be handled by specially trained people in the government. If-not-he-cat should stimulate them to this business. And I am engaged in financial activities of the institution entrusted to me. KMK, I am doing well, employees do not sit without bonuses. So filing past the cash register.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 19 August 2020 07: 01 New
            -8
            which needle? we consume gas within the country twice as much as we sell. budget revenues from oil and gas are only a third. and from all areas. including processing for export. finish these mantras already. do it means first study the question and then write.
            1. Far B
              Far B 19 August 2020 07: 07 New
              10
              budget revenues from oil and gas is only a third
              A third of the country's budget revenues only from the export of one type of energy resources is not enough ??? Well, you, my friend, give!
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 19 August 2020 07: 10 New
                -9
                no resources. and the entire oil and gas industry. everything connected with these resources. starting with production tax. and not everything is sold abroad. resources you know not by themselves liquefied and processed into gasoline.
            2. UserGun
              UserGun 19 August 2020 07: 30 New
              +5
              Quote: carstorm 11
              first study the question and then write.


              I studied. 46% last year (data from the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation for 2019, and as you know, 2020 has not ended yet.) income only to the budget, not counting dubious transactions. Where is the third ?! Rather HALF )))
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 19 August 2020 07: 43 New
                -6
                I have other numbers. 16 year 36. 19 year 40. forecast by 22 year 35 from the same Ministry of Finance in September last year.
                1. UserGun
                  UserGun 19 August 2020 08: 16 New
                  +1
                  And why do you so selectively, over the years, show us bashfully? ))) Did you play chess like a knight? ))) 3 years stupidly dropped out. And this ... FORECAST is a thankless task, although this fuel oil with a fart eye is now not taken at all, but I would not look at the forecasts with confidence, especially in the Russian Federation.
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 19 August 2020 08: 18 New
                    -6
                    at least 16 years old. what does shame have to do with it? I always take the minimum number and you can clearly see the difference on it.
                    1. UserGun
                      UserGun 19 August 2020 08: 56 New
                      +3
                      So let's start counting arithmetically sequentially! If you are so sure of everything, as the true absolute, that is, God bless)))

                      2016
                      2017
                      2018
                      2019
                      1. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 19 August 2020 09: 00 New
                        -4
                        Did I write you a report for years?) I took the minimum value and compared it with last year. not yet this year. it just so happened that the minimum was in 16 against the backdrop of falling energy prices. it would be admissible in year 10, I would indicate it.
                      2. UserGun
                        UserGun 19 August 2020 09: 41 New
                        +1
                        Why then wag your tail and say about 1/3 ?! If you are already so "accurate"))) I don't know why you wishful thinking, #in a single impulse, only in fact it smells very fake. As well as stupid propaganda from a duroscope. You have to be smarter when you juggle with chicks)))
                      3. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 19 August 2020 10: 07 New
                        -4
                        Lord. do you need fractions? 35 next year, according to forecasts of the same Ministry of Finance. the third I wrote to avoid this conversation. apparently in vain.
                      4. UserGun
                        UserGun 19 August 2020 11: 05 New
                        +1
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        35 next year according to forecasts the same Ministry of Finance


                        Aaaa ... that's where your fad is))) We were predicted to have a salary of $ 2700 this year !!! ))) Oil at $ 150, overtake Portugal, etc. etc. Do you really believe everything, including the weather forecast ?! ))) Or did they say so at the planning meeting ?! )))
                      5. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 19 August 2020 11: 21 New
                        -4
                        but what ... well, you do not like such a forecast, it does not mean that it will not converge. I don’t deny the error. Will 37 make you feel better?
                      6. UserGun
                        UserGun 19 August 2020 11: 47 New
                        0
                        I'll tell you more that there won't be even a third))) As there will be no budget surplus and many more nishtyaks))) But there will be no growth in GDP, but there will be a fall, respectively, nothing good. ALL GROWTH and the relative "prosperity" of the Russian economy rested only on oil and gas revenues. Now this will not happen, because in the world this is required for various reasons. As oil and gas revenues will not be replaced, because there is nothing to replace them with, well, except perhaps the export of metals. What were you happy about, sitting on the couch, juggling with little chicks, not understanding their content, I don't even know. Probably they said so at the planning meeting)))
                      7. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 19 August 2020 13: 22 New
                        -3
                        will not be. I will say more, in the fall we will go nuts even more. everybody freaks out. now the crisis has just begun. a second wave if it happens it will generally be a shvak. and to replace ... so it affected all exporters. As for replacing, it's ridiculous) you cannot replace something in such revenues for a year. physically. I repeat, everything is still ahead and a lot of bad things await us. no need to be rude.
                      8. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 19 August 2020 19: 10 New
                        -3
                        There will be no seam - calm down.
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 19 August 2020 08: 00 New
    +4
    Quote: carstorm 11
    end up with propaganda. take care of the economy eg. if you forgot that Gazprom has now signed a huge internal contract for 20 years and 900 yards of gas domestically. gas liquefaction project in Ust-Luga and a gas chemical plant.

    That's right, losses in the foreign market are compensated by the population
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 19 August 2020 07: 01 New
    +4
    Until. The rating, however, is again hanging, but that is ...
    it is necessary to make a podtyazhechku, injection Belarus our.
  • Pirate
    Pirate 19 August 2020 08: 31 New
    +6
    If you do not take into account the economy, then the rating at that time increased people were eating, which means that the goal was achieved, plus a lot of yards were cut on the building! So everything is in the black except people! laughing
  • depressant
    depressant 19 August 2020 11: 51 New
    +5
    Yes, colleague, I remember these triumphant fanfares of our press, its unhealthy excitement as a reflection of the stupidity that was being done. On the screen is a proud, smiling Putin and with an impenetrable ambiguous smile of an oriental god Comrade Xi. And a subtle touch on this whole action of some kind of cunning, of which Putin's cunning was just an expression of resentment against Western partners to the detriment of himself, means to all of us. Then big doubts crept in about the adequacy of what was happening - it was 2014! China went ahead with leaps and bounds of economic strides and was already cutting down our taiga with might and main.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 19 August 2020 13: 06 New
    -4
    Quote: Pessimist22
    It is not known when the Turkish Stream and the Power of Siberia will pay off, so much money has been invested and now the question arises whether they were needed?

    In previous articles, I provided a calculation of the cost of all pipelines built in recent years under Putin, and estimated the profit received by Gazprom in 2017-2018 ( Gazprom's revenue from sales in 2018 increased by 25,6% to RUB 8,224 trillion.), when everything was more or less stable with gas supplies and coronavirus. Calculations show that if Gazprom spends only a THIRD part (30-33%) of its income based on the average indicators of those years, then all construction costs will pay off in EIGHT years. Considering that some of the costs have already paid off earlier, then after the end of the current global crisis, Gazprom will be able to fully return the funds spent on the construction of gas pipelines within 6-8 years. Taking into account that such Soviet gas pipelines operate for 40-50 years or more, one can be sure that the newly built ones will be profitable for more than a decade, because gas is the main fuel raw material of the 21st century, unless something alternative is invented.
    1. depressant
      depressant 19 August 2020 18: 43 New
      +2
      Colleague, maybe the way you calculated. I, like you, strive to believe in everything good. But according to RIAP "Apral" on May 20, 2020, the total loss of Gazprom as a result of its activities has already amounted to 308 billion rubles. And on July 31 this year, Gazprom paid out dividends to its shareholders in the amount of 359,8 billion rubles. And to make this possible, in addition to scheduled support for more than a thousand enterprises in the event of the epidemic (remember this list?), Gazprom received a so-called non-repayable loan of 100 billion rubles from the budget, not otherwise than by order of Putin. And this despite the fact that even Nabiullina sharply objected to such an outrage and insistently demanded that absolutely all companies do not pay dividends this year, because they still became unprofitable because of the pandemic and the world economic crisis, which she, the pandemic, covers. But everything went haywire ...
      Thus, Gazprom is a deeply unprofitable company, by the way, not for the first year. The same failure last year. And in this ... In general, the shareholders rushed to take Gazprom into their pockets: shareholders Sadigov, Burmistrov and Aksyutin bought its shares for 21 billion rubles, others are next in line - why not buy it at a cheap price!
      The President doesn't react. It seems to me that he has not rowed for a long time, he just floats with the flow. Quite recently I happened to read that Gazprom will be sold into private hands. True or not, it is very similar. The top management of Gazprom has competently brought the company to this. And then it will turn out to be someone else's property - just as many of our electric companies turned out to be the property of a branch of the Italian state-owned company Inel. Siberians won't let you lie. But electricity is primarily a defensive factor.
      By the way, the top management of Gazprom also includes Putin's nephew, Mikhail Evgenievich Putin.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 19 August 2020 19: 19 New
        -1
        Quote: depressant
        But according to RIAP "Apral" on May 20, 2020, the total loss of Gazprom as a result of its activities has already amounted to 308 billion rubles.

        I won't bother you, but when you introduced a trade tax in Moscow, I immediately found myself at a loss for the year. So your "total losses" do not explain anything, even in terms of operating costs - you have no idea how much and in what Gazprom invested this year, how much it had to pay to cover the costs of the recession from the coronavirus, and therefore it is too early to sum up the results of 2020.
        Quote: depressant
        And on July 31 this year, Gazprom paid out dividends to its shareholders in the amount of 359,8 billion rubles.

        These are dividends from last year, when things were not so bad.
        Quote: depressant
        received from the budget a so-called non-repayable loan of 100 billion rubles, not otherwise than by order of Putin.

        Do you know what share of Gazprom belongs to the state? For example, I paid extra to an employee out of my own pocket in April-May-June of this year, despite the fact that the turnover dropped several times.

        Quote: depressant
        Thus, Gazprom is a deeply unprofitable company, by the way, not for the first year

        This is not true, and it is not clear why you are distributing it. Moreover, you hardly have any idea how much the capitalization of the company itself has grown, taking into account the constructed gas pipelines.

        Quote: depressant
        ... In general, the shareholders rushed to take Gazprom into their pockets: shareholders Sadigov, Burmistrov and Aksyutin bought its shares for 21 billion rubles, others are next - why not buy it at a cheap price!

        In fact, you can buy Gazprom shares - they are traded on the stock exchange, so no one forbids you to do this at market value. By the way, you contradict yourself, claiming that Gazprom is an unprofitable company, and nevertheless reproach those who buy shares of a "unprofitable" company - you have no logic, because they are trying to get rid of the shares of such companies.
        Quote: depressant
        By the way, the top management of Gazprom also includes Putin's nephew, Mikhail Evgenievich Putin.

        So Putin was like one in the family - his brother died during the blockade.
        1. depressant
          depressant 19 August 2020 19: 59 New
          0
          To clarify: Putin's cousin nephew. There is a large family, google it. And you will not deny that Roman Igorevich Putin, the leader of the newly formed People Against Corruption party, is also the president's cousin. Again, daughters. You google, take an interest in the emerging ruling dynasty. When you are sure, then we will talk about Gazprom.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 19 August 2020 20: 34 New
            -1
            Quote: depressant
            To clarify: Putin's cousin nephew. There is a large family, google it.

            A cousin's nephew and a native one are two big differences - I am telling you this as a person who has several nephews and nieces of varying degrees of kinship.
            Quote: depressant
            Again, daughters.

            As far as I know, they are not public figures at all.
            Quote: depressant
            You google, take an interest in the emerging ruling dynasty.

            What for? Do you think that Putin's relatives are something like the Kennedy or Bush clan? Do not make me laugh...
            Quote: depressant
            When you are sure, then we will talk about Gazprom.

            In general, the economic situation of Gazprom can be understood even without the knowledge of Putin's relatives - I think so. So your demands are laughable.
            1. depressant
              depressant 19 August 2020 22: 31 New
              -1
              Usually the ruling clan relies on the environment. The clan is still forming, and the environment has already taken shape. And the nature of the interaction of this environment with the same Gazprom gives a clear idea of ​​the attitude of the head of the clan to state property.
              Here's an example.
              Gazprom had daughters:

              Lengazspetsstroy
              Volgogradneftemash
              Spetsgazremstroy
              Krasnodargazstroy
              Volgogaz.

              These daughters did the important and necessary work for Gazprom - they pulled pipes, built structures next to them, made clearings around the pipes, etc., gradually increasing the total turnover, in general, developed.
              In 2007, the total turnover amounted to 43,5 billion rubles.
              And then, in 2008, Arkady Rotenberg appears. He quickly creates the company Stroygazmontazh (abbreviation SGM) on paper and buys these daughters for a ridiculous sum of 8,3 billion rubles. How you can sell a company with a turnover of 43,5 billion for 8,3 is beyond the mind. Knowledgeable people say that the offices of these companies did not even leave the office of Gazprom, as they worked under its patronage, and continued their business. But the paper owner is Rothenberg. Time passes, the daughters increase their turnover through the construction of pipelines up to 225 billion rubles, the year 2019 comes, and the paper Rotenberg sells back to Gazprom these daughters, not cursed and not crumpled, having received 75 billion rubles for them as allegedly his property. It is clear that his SGM is a left-wing company that stole 75 billion rubles from the state, even, they say, law enforcement officers are interested. But both rolled and rolled back, this is Putin's friend.
              Further more interesting.
              In the summer and September 2019, a large anonymous investor appears and buys 6,5% of Gazprom shares in two tranches. And again, knowledgeable people say: it was Rotenberg who exchanged his paper SGM for Gazprom shares. Information noise was raised, it became clear that Gazprom sins with such fake deals on a regular basis, now and then allegedly selling its daughters, and then allegedly buying them back for amounts much higher than the previous venal ones, and the money from the state enterprise floats away in an unknown direction. And now the general opinion is that the troubles with SP-2, the sanctions against it, were provoked by this dirty fuss, as a result of which, in the case of Rotenberg, a solid block of shares in the state-owned company floated into private hands for the initial 8,3 billion rubles. This is if this money was once paid to Gazprom by Rotenberg.
              So draw your own conclusions.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 20 August 2020 12: 13 New
                0
                Quote: depressant
                So draw your own conclusions.

                It is you who have to conclude for yourself long ago that we do not live in the socialist USSR, but in capitalist Russia, and you will personally know all the vices of capitalist exploitation on your own. Why then whine that you feel bad, but someone feels good if you or your parents voluntarily abandoned socialism in 1991, and now you are moaning that nothing has broken off from Gazprom's wealth, however, like me. So either perceive capitalism without whining with all its vices, or go vote with the majority of the population for the Communist Party at the next elections, and if they win, demand from Zyuganov to nationalize all the wealth and large enterprises of Russia. Then you will not have problems with Gazprom's income - at least that's what the communists promised in their election materials.
                1. depressant
                  depressant 20 August 2020 13: 04 New
                  +1
                  Well, how not to whine, colleague))
                  Just today I bought a hose for the shower instead of a cracked one - 400 rubles! Whereas three years ago, together with a spray, this piece cost 98 rubles. If you do not bother, you will truly howl! ))
                  What do you suggest? Maybe this:

                  Long live Putin, our star hero!
                  And you, pale whiner, watch yourself!

                  You see, if you do not bug the authorities, they will unbelieve themselves to amazement. People who went to power knew that they would be beaten, it would hurt. This is part of the public administration profession. So you protect them in vain, they know how to stand up for themselves. But we must be able to stand up for ourselves, because if we do not do this, the government will devour us and not choke. I am not campaigning for a change of regime and I do not even demand a change in power figures. Except for the economic block of the government. But the rest must be driven and done mercilessly. For nefig)))
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 20 August 2020 13: 31 New
                    0
                    Quote: depressant
                    What do you suggest? Maybe this:

                    Long live Putin, our star hero!
                    And you, pale whiner, watch yourself!

                    I propose to adequately perceive modern life, and if the majority of the population is satisfied with capitalism in Russia, no matter under whose leadership, even the anointed tsar, then come to terms with your grievances, especially since you yourself agree with this regime:
                    Quote: depressant
                    I am not campaigning for a change of regime and I do not even demand a change in power figures.

                    It turns out that you have another storm in a glass of water and no more. How do you represent capitalism with a socialist face, I still do not understand - apparently this is something from the irrational. I think it's not worth living with this all the time - there are other values ​​in this life, it is better to focus on them, and you will find peace.
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 20 August 2020 13: 55 New
                      +1
                      You see what the matter ...
                      One has only to focus on some of its own value, as the state creeps into my life in some particularly inconvenient way and with its especially sharp side tries to push me off that value. It, the state, does not sleep and day and night prepares dirty tricks for me in the form of laws, the kind of which, in the aggregate, I, sitting on my value, are guilty in front of him around, give him everything and do not live at all. And it is never guilty of anything before a citizen ...
                      In general, this is a long conversation, colleague, but today I don't want to. I’ll just give you an example, I’ve already given it, I’ll give it again.
                      Can you explain why on March 18, 2004, I paid 19 rubles 17 kopecks at the gas tariff, and this year 65 rubles? Why has the tariff increased more than 3 times?
                      Note that all these years I was with my modest spiritual values, did not go out to any protests, did not join political parties, did not take part in single pickets, did not get into a police van, did not write letters to newspapers, etc. maybe that's why they raised the tariff?
                    2. ccsr
                      ccsr 20 August 2020 18: 31 New
                      -1
                      Quote: depressant
                      Can you explain why on March 18, 2004, I paid 19 rubles 17 kopecks at the gas tariff, and this year 65 rubles? Why has the tariff increased more than 3 times?

                      Because for 16 years, depreciation deductions for maintaining the gas transportation infrastructure in working order have increased not only due to aging and inflation, but also because the employees of this structure began to receive 2-3 times more wages. There are other costs in the country that are also imposed on the taxation of our energy companies - the war in Syria, for example, or the annexation of Crimea. And this indirectly affects the price of what they supply to consumers. Have you studied political economy or has it passed you by?
                    3. depressant
                      depressant 20 August 2020 18: 52 New
                      +1
                      Thanks for the answer, colleague))) It suits me completely.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 19 August 2020 06: 01 New
    +7
    The official mass media "hang" on their ears that our pipeline is cheaper than anyone else. In fact, it is several times more expensive than liquefied gas from gas carriers. Trillions of rubles were buried in the ground, and the gas pipelines are not loaded. Builders have earned. hi
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 19 August 2020 06: 44 New
      -8
      nonsense. this is reality. you are now relying on statistics on deals that go into negative values. due to oversaturation of markets and falling demand. oil recall recently in the states offered at zero price - practically the same. they have no choice. production cannot be stopped. loot too.
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 19 August 2020 06: 18 New
    +8
    Who did Trump recently called a great chess player? I suppose he could hardly contain himself so as not to laugh.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 19 August 2020 06: 24 New
      +7
      I'm sure I didn't even hold back!
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 19 August 2020 08: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      Who did Trump recently called a great chess player? I suppose he could hardly contain himself so as not to laugh.

      Fischer was also a great chess player
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 19 August 2020 06: 26 New
    -2
    An extremely superficial article. At the same time, its author knows perfectly well what he is writing about and deliberately does not distort the facts, but deliberately manipulates them, and in such a way that for the layman it is completely invisible, but radically changes the essence of the issue. Now, in order:
    1. RUnnm
      RUnnm 19 August 2020 06: 29 New
      -2
      1 "When the Gazprom managers chose a transit route through Turkey instead of Ukraine" - lie number 1. Ukraine was not envisaged as a transit country in any way. The route was supposed to be built from Russian territory through an underwater pipeline to Bulgaria. And the current flow was simply laid "slightly to the east" and brought not to Bulgaria, but to Turkey
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 19 August 2020 06: 32 New
        +1
        2. "And this despite the fact that we do not even have a common border with Turkey" - and with Bulgaria, therefore, there is .... it is clear
        1. RUnnm
          RUnnm 19 August 2020 06: 35 New
          -1
          3. "Thus, Russia actually once again signed in its own dependence on the export of natural gas." - thus, a false and far-fetched conclusion without justification is put as an axiom. In fact, the share of oil and gas revenues in the budget of the Russian Federation is about 30% and, accordingly, it is simply ridiculous to talk about such a total dependence, but it is populistic.
          1. RUnnm
            RUnnm 19 August 2020 06: 43 New
            0
            4 "Being so strongly tied to Turkish transit, the Russian side ultimately cannot properly respond to Ankara's assertive policy" - the maximum consumption in 2017 for both branches was about 27 billion cubic meters. This is despite the fact that about 100 billion goes through Ukraine. Is this "so tightly tied"? Well, it won't go through Turkey, it will go through Ukraine for the same consumers. There is no strategic dependence and nearby
            1. RUnnm
              RUnnm 19 August 2020 06: 53 New
              0
              5. Map with schemes of supply routes. It is indicated that the blue stream is 16 billion, the Turkish one is 31.5. this is another lie, since 31.5 billion is the total volume of pumped through both pipelines. Each branch is 15-16 billion. And you don't need to tell me that the source of the map is Gazprom, you can write anything you want to refer to the source
              1. RUnnm
                RUnnm 19 August 2020 07: 04 New
                0
                6. And now more difficult. Let's see if the Turks really replaced our gas with lng. Let's take the simplest figures for comparison 2018/2019 ... the drop in Russian exports by 8 billion cubic meters to the level of 14.4 billion. And now let's look at the expense of what and in what volumes the substitution took place:
                6.1. commissioning of the Azerbaijani TAP with an increment of 1.9 billion cubic meters
                6.2 LNG per year, approximately 12 billion cubic meters with an increase of 1.1 billion cubic meters
                In total, we have - a drop in Russian exports - 8 billion, "compensation" - 3 billion.
                It seems that a natural question arises - is it correct to talk about the replacement of our supplies, and not about a decrease in the market volume of Turkey itself? Right. But the author is not at all interested in objective analysis. Now we go further and more interesting.
                1. RUnnm
                  RUnnm 19 August 2020 07: 21 New
                  -2
                  Since it's time to go to work, you will have to write only about the most important manipulation in the article:
                  7. "Cheapness" of the spot market. A little materiel: the prices of the cellular market are, in fact, the price here and now. At the same time, long-term contracts are tied to the oil price and have a lag of 1-2 quarters at this price. And when the author compares the two, he is lying very much. For it is more correct to compare the current price of sports and the prices of our contracts in 3-6 months. At the same time, speaking of the high cost of our gas for the consumer, the author is cunning again, because contracts for such cases provide for transit compensation and payment of special compensation to the budget.
                  1. Stas157
                    Stas157 19 August 2020 07: 42 New
                    +3
                    Quote: RUnnm
                    lie number 1

                    Quote: RUnnm
                    false and far-fetched conclusion without justification

                    Quote: RUnnm
                    another lie

                    Quote: RUnnm
                    lies very much

                    Quote: RUnnm
                    the author is disingenuous again

                    Is the gas going through the pipe or not? The rest are all your excuses.
          2. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 19 August 2020 08: 06 New
            +6
            Quote: RUnnm
            3. "Thus, Russia actually once again signed in its own dependence on the export of natural gas." - thus, a false and far-fetched conclusion without justification is put as an axiom. In fact, the share of oil and gas revenues in the budget of the Russian Federation is about 30% and, accordingly, it is simply ridiculous to talk about such a total dependence, but it is populistic.

            Is that why the drop in Gazprom's revenues affected the budget so much?
          3. Roman246810
            Roman246810 19 August 2020 09: 54 New
            0
            the share of oil and gas revenues in the budget of the Russian Federation is approximately 30% and, accordingly, talk about such total addictions are just ridiculous


            Бгггг .. I realized what I wrote myself ??)
            Raise the pensioner's pension from 12 thousand to 13 at least .. so that later on that 30% is nonsense .. just spit ..
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 19 August 2020 08: 12 New
        +5
        Quote: RUnnm
        1 "When the Gazprom managers chose a transit route through Turkey instead of Ukraine" - lie number 1. Ukraine was not envisaged as a transit country in any way. The route was supposed to be built from Russian territory through an underwater pipeline to Bulgaria. And the current flow was simply laid "slightly to the east" and brought not to Bulgaria, but to Turkey

        Why weren't they drawn to Bulgaria? Because the European Union does not want to lose Ukraine as a transit country, but Gazprom wanted to exclude it from the chain at any cost and invested billions for this
    2. parma
      parma 19 August 2020 08: 29 New
      +5
      So Dear readers, before you is RUnnm - the standard one to present the families of kremlebots, which managed in 12 days and 31 minutes (registered on August 7, 2020 07:12, the last time was online at the time of writing this comment on August 19, 2020 07:43) to scribble 441 comments. .. that's more than 2 comments per chat!
      Unfortunately, there is no time to write about the quality of comments even to this article, I am at work, but they do not pay me for comments ... But, for example, his statement that 30% of the budget in the form of taxes only from the oil and gas sector is not an "oil needle" nonsense , since 30% in itself is a lot, and this still does not take into account the share of companies related to the oil industry from other spheres (maintenance, equipment supply, etc.) and the contribution to the tax budget of employees of this sector (no one simply did not consider how much money is still in the budget will go in the form of taxes even on products bought by oilmen for their salaries) ... the real figures of the role of oilmen in the budget and economy will exceed 50% ...
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 19 August 2020 08: 37 New
        -4
        How can I attach a picture from "Ivan Vasilyevich is changing his profession" with the words "oh, fool!" or a quote from Lavrov?
        1. Roman246810
          Roman246810 19 August 2020 09: 59 New
          +4
          No, well, think of writing about the fact that 30% for an already poor country is not much .. here and Lavrov is powerless ..
          Putin took a million pence from pennies - even without any 30% falls .. He just crossed out 5 years of his life right away .. And with a 30% fall, the retirement age will not come at 65, but at 85, at least .. And teachers will not be 25-30 pay, but 15-20 ..
          Oh, yes, these are trifles .. not totally ..))
      2. Pirate
        Pirate 19 August 2020 09: 15 New
        +1
        Why can't you make a note that this is a representative of Kremlinism?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 19 August 2020 09: 53 New
          +6
          It is necessary to introduce on the VO the Order of Judas the first-called, with the image of the hanged Judas, and on the reverse depict 30 pieces of silver. good
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 19 August 2020 19: 17 New
            -1
            And what about your business there - did you try to restart the left-hand drive shop?
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 19 August 2020 20: 17 New
              0
              How are you in the field of intelligence? Is it the same with my disks? wink
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 20 August 2020 21: 27 New
                0
                Everything is fine with me in this regard - but you seem to have seams as well as with disks.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 21 August 2020 07: 11 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  I'm fine in this regard

                  Different from the thinking part of the country's population! laughing
  • arhitroll
    arhitroll 19 August 2020 06: 38 New
    +3
    And this is good. Maybe a roast rooster will help develop its economy (Russia - it is necessary to clarify, otherwise maybe their homeland is in the bank ...)
  • smart fellow
    smart fellow 19 August 2020 07: 20 New
    +1
    What does politics have to do with it? It seems that both Russia and Turkey have a market economy. Why should the Turks pay 3 times (!) For gas, especially since Turkey is also now in an economic crisis (even if it did not exist). Since the Turks are obliged to buy gas at a fixed price, they cannot demand a reduction in the cost of gas. Therefore, they come up with different ways to reduce the supply of expensive gas. The market prices for gas will rise by more than $ 220 per 1000 cubic meters - they will buy from Russia. Or Gazprom will sell at market prices.
    The contract had to be concluded with the condition of full or partial payment of the cost of laying the gas pipeline. At one time, the Japanese proposed that Russia build an underwater gas pipeline to Japan and even promised to provide maps of the seabed with seismic activity zones, but at the expense of Russia. Then Moscow refused, and quite reasonably. But the problem is that Moscow is oriented to the west. As in the case of the Mistrals, USC offered to order helicopter carriers in South Korea. It was also possible to repair them there before the construction of a dock near Nakhodka (where Arctic gas carriers are now being built according to a South Korean project).
  • KARAKURT777
    KARAKURT777 19 August 2020 07: 27 New
    +5
    Quote: carstorm 11
    there is so much gas that there is simply nowhere to put it.

    And why then does it not get cheaper on the domestic market?
  • parusnik
    parusnik 19 August 2020 07: 29 New
    +6
    The "Turkic Council" was formed in 1995 as a political union of Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.
    .... There is only no Slavic council .... We are afraid of each other ...
  • Woodman
    Woodman 19 August 2020 07: 54 New
    -3
    Gazprom sells gas to Turkey at a price of $ 220 per 1000 cubic meters (by the way, at Ankara's insistence, the price has been decreasing since 2017), and the price for the EU countries is at most $ 82. So for this reason, Turkey is more active from the beginning. 2020 moves to cheaper alternatives: pipeline gas (no more than $ 85)

    Therefore, Ankara, according to the estimates of many Turkish analysts, will certainly demand a significant reduction in prices for Russian gas.

    The price is not reduced, which means Moscow is not making concessions.
    Thus, according to the Russian customs service, in June 2020, Gazprom supplied only 2 million cubic meters of gas to Turkey, which is 585 times less than in June 2019! And a thousand times less than in January 2020.
    Again, this means that Gazprom is holding the price. I remember the Union laid pipelines, and the prices for raw materials collapsed. Just like now. A dozen years later, prices soared up that Russia was able, after the devastation, to feed people and improve the economy. And so the situation is one to one.
    This forecast is confirmed, for example, by the Bulgarian weekly Expert (Sofia).
    This is probably a very authoritative publication ... "In narrow circles" is authoritative. Or just the only one that expressed a point of view that is consonant with the author's opinion. Moreover, it was Bulgaria that at one time refused to allow the pipeline to pass through its territory ...
  • Alex66
    Alex66 19 August 2020 08: 20 New
    +7
    If for such projects top managers were responsible at least with their property, but they don't get paid for it, so why shouldn't they be scattered with the country's taxes, GDP will still throw up, will not let the abyss and salaries will not be reduced, because they will go to competitors, to the Saudis or in the USA they will be torn off there with their hands. After all, from the very beginning it was clear that this was a scam, we have not had friendly relations with Turkey in our entire history.
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 19 August 2020 09: 03 New
    0
    If there is political will, Erdogan can be squeezed, and with economic measures.
    To slow down the Akkuyu NPP project, under various pretexts.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 19 August 2020 09: 38 New
      +8
      Quote: Livonetc
      To slow down the Akkuyu NPP project, under various pretexts.

      This will only cause losses to us! The project is paid entirely by the Russian side. Erdogan will be neither cold nor hot from the stop. So, wherever you throw a wedge everywhere. Scorpio is more expensive to tame.
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 19 August 2020 09: 46 New
        -3
        The benefits of this project, in financial terms, for Russia, if any, are minimal.
        It is precisely that the Russian side pays for the project.
        At least some kind of profit will only be in the distant future.
        And for Erdogan, in 23, this is a very cheap energy to develop industry and increase the competitiveness of the Turkish economy.
        So for the Sultan, this project is a laying hen that lays the golden eggs.
        For us, one of the tools to maintain interest and loyalty to Turkey.
        Tools should be used.
  • Ua3qhp
    Ua3qhp 19 August 2020 09: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: KARAKURT777
    And why then does it not get cheaper on the domestic market?

    Because the shareholders must have dividends.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 19 August 2020 10: 28 New
    -1
    Stocks in the region of 190 rubles. Everyone is waiting for the quarterly report. While everyone is calling to sell. There is a good ambush from China with a plus sign. Everything that journalists write can be a PR action of bulls and bears. Only a report !!! tongue
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 August 2020 19: 20 New
      +1
      Now the shares do not need to be sold - the crisis associated with the coronavirus has not yet passed, wait until all the quotes go up.
  • raki-uzo
    raki-uzo 19 August 2020 14: 56 New
    +1
    Yes, Russia has other partners as well - Assad and Haftar. They will tell you what to do - they are smart guys.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 19 August 2020 16: 45 New
    +3
    Quote: carstorm 11
    nonsense. this is reality.

    Nonsense or not nonsense, but our gas workers "want" at $ 220-250 per thousand cubic meters, but there are NO willing! There are plenty of proposals, there are plenty of alternatives, prices are from $ 70 to $ 100. And the economy of some countries is not entirely on hydrocarbons. somewhere they received less, in another they will take it. And we have a cow-nurse, if you go too cheap, the budget will collapse.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 August 2020 19: 23 New
      -1
      Russia has something to compensate for budget losses from falling demand for energy resources - silver, gold, food.
  • Alber alber
    Alber alber 20 August 2020 01: 28 New
    0
    Well, let's not juggle it, gas is a separately gifted Miller fussing, and even for the decrease in profits and childless management, he will receive the largest bonus for the entire time he has been in Gazprom. As for the tourist business, the Turks persuaded Russia to open a message simultaneously with Kazakhstan and Azeris, then they were ready to pay extra 35 euros for charters for each tourist from the Russian Federation, Russia did not agree, but there was nowhere to go with the overflow of Krasnodar, although it is unclear, but Abkhazia was open later
  • Postum
    Postum 20 August 2020 12: 10 New
    0
    As there, Irreplaceable wanted multipolarity, so he got it
  • Alex russia
    Alex russia 25 August 2020 19: 14 New
    +1
    This is how Erdogan holds Putin for "nuts" (the real word is banned by the censorship). The "ingenious" strategist is ready to give his last shirt to the Turks in the hope that they will leave NATO. How naive he is