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And why did many in our country decide that "all of Russia" is interested in saving Belarus ...

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And why did many in our country decide that "all of Russia" is interested in saving Belarus ...

Once again the phrase is heard that Russia, they say, has not seen it again: Ukraine has left, now Belarus can leave (sail away, run away, fly away). Numerous political analysts on federal channels and other mass media present their points of view on how Putin, Lavrov, and even Shoigu should act in order to stop a possible Belarusian “Maidan”. At the same time, one can hear, perhaps, general phrases that it is necessary “to let the Belarusians solve their problems themselves, if possible, but at the same time not to allow the West to interfere in the situation”.


The point of view is clear: for everything good, against everything bad.

Only now, proceeding again from the latest stories relations between Ukraine and Russia - why did many in our country, including experts, take it that what is happening in Belarus does not suit certain forces in Russia that have more than serious weight? Why does someone think that representatives of the oligarchy (and the oligarchy is, by and large, transboundary and transcapitalistic) are tearing their hair out due to the fact that someone in Belarus went on strike, thereby endangering the work of factories, factories, mines , other enterprises, endangered the Russian economy?

Why, for oligarchic capital, with which modern politics is in many ways closely related, what is happening in Belarus is a real gift. With all the "cockroaches" in the head of the Belarusian authorities lately, the republic remained, in fact, the only place on the map of the European continent, where privatizers and optimizers were kept in a stable. The industry was working. Yes, including open subsidies and subsidies from the Russian state, but it worked. Jobs did not go under the knife in batches, even against the backdrop of a pandemic that set the teeth on edge.

Was this satisfied with the "money bags" that are available in sufficient quantities not only in the European Union, but also in the Russian Federation (with cross, so to speak, passports)? Of course not. Belarus was needed and remains necessary to gain total control by the method of “blissful privatization”, through which we ourselves once went through. The victory of democracy - "a voucher in the teeth" - and forward ... Into the bright future of the all-consuming market, where you can take "two Volga" in your arms without a car loan ...

Not so long ago, the press secretary of the Russian president, Dmitry Peskov, announced that there were no oligarchs in Russia. Well, of course ... In the jurisdiction of Russia - perhaps not, since most of these ladies and gentlemen, forgive me, have capitals all over the world, and there are more than enough passports in their pockets: from Cypriot and Latvian to Canadian, Israeli, British, yes and Russian (for every fireman) are also available. And despite the fact that it is often not in the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation, they are trying to influence the policy of our state, oh, how actively.

Therefore, the fact that the possible collapse of the Belarusian economy against the background of the current events does not suit “the whole of Russia” is a strong exaggeration. There are people who rub their hands. Still - MAZ, BelAZ, Belaruskali, MZKT, Minsk Tractor, Grodno-Azot, developed refineries - tasty morsels, which are the dream of many to get.

But on whose side are such forces playing? - The answer is obvious: certainly not on the side of the peoples of Russia and Belarus, as well as not on the side of the peoples of Russia and Ukraine they played in their time and continue to play today. Slavic brotherhood, unity of peoples for development and peace - "ah, leave it alone." All these are beautiful words that have long ceased to be relevant in the built capitalist system, where its individual representatives have long served the interests of completely different states and their associations for the sake of preserving their own capital.

Why are many Ukrainian channels so “drowned” for the mass Belarusian protest? If only against Russia? On the one hand, yes. But here we also need to remember who belongs to the owners of large Ukrainian media - all the same people with "any" passports and an irresistible desire to get hold of additional property. And there are already fewer questions ... And in Russia there are mass media that exist at the expense of the owners of "factories, newspapers, ships" with all the consequences. If you look at their coverage of events in Belarus, then everything falls into place.

And why did we decide that such people would rush to save Belarus? ..

PS The material came out in the section "News"and not" Opinion ", for technical reasons.
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  1. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 18 August 2020 08: 37 New
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    Of course, the Russian authorities overlooked ... they dated the economy of Belarus (and Ukraine and Armenia) and did not ensure the promotion of their interests.
    1. Volodin
      18 August 2020 08: 39 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      and did not ensure the promotion of their interests.

      Here is the question in "their own interests" ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 August 2020 08: 48 New
        11
        one can hear, perhaps, general phrases that it is necessary “to let the Belarusians solve their problems by themselves, but at the same time not to allow the West to interfere in the situation”.

        will not work already ... or rather, it will work very much to our detriment, because there is already WHO WANTS TO COORDINATE !!! that they will coordinate, they also wrote, and there in the direction of Russia is no longer a DOLE, not a goat, but a specific FIST !!! those. it says that NATO tanks will be very close to the capital, for example !!!
        They might be afraid to climb directly, but the temptation is so GREAT that ... in short, they have plenty of fools there, and in addition to give them territory and people from whom they will make ... they need everything they need, as it is NOT SMART will be!
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 18 August 2020 09: 05 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          ... all sho they need, as it will NOT be SMART!

          And if you look at it from the other side? Ukraine is asked ... whether and not to call it smart .. I think that those who dictate the agenda in Russia are interested only in their own well-being and well-being .. and they are the agents and the fifth column. And from Belarus they only need factories and ships ... but their curators, in addition to money, also need geopolitical influence. If we proceed from this logic, it becomes clear that Russia is ruled by Gauleiters.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 18 August 2020 09: 22 New
            +9
            It doesn't matter if you asked for sleep or sold, the punishment should be appropriate!
            But it seems to us that way, and those who own everything here, they have their own plan and the fact that it benefits our country is very different!
            1. Temples
              Temples 18 August 2020 10: 41 New
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              Still - MAZ, BelAZ, Belaruskali, MZKT, Minsk Tractor, Grodno-Azot, developed refineries - tasty morsels, which are the dream of many to get.

              Russian oligarchs (as Mr. Volodin calls them) will not buy the above enterprises.
              This is unreasonable.
              "Russian oligarchs" will be glad if these enterprises cease their activities.
              There is a chance to increase your market share.
              MAZ, BelAZ, Minsk Tractor - these sell their products only to Russia. And that is only thanks to Lukashenka.
              These are competitors to Russian manufacturers in the Russian market. There are no such factories - better than the Kamaz and the tractor plant of Russia.

              What a madman would rush to buy up these obviously politicized productions. It's easier to burn money in the fireplace.

              And we are one people. And Belarusians and just Russians and Ukrainians.

              What is the article about?
              We are not interested in saving Belarus. Nor are they interested in saving Ukraine.
              People are interested in a single country in which they have lived for centuries.

              And different countries, Mr. Volodin, were made by the people who were in power at that time.
              Not the population of these places.

              Human greed destroyed the state.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 18 August 2020 11: 18 New
                +1
                Quote: Temples
                Human greed destroyed the state.

                stupidity, cunning wisdom and other vices destroy EVERYTHING.
                to save, to cooperate with those for whom it is all hypertopic to the point ... no, no, no, mind us!
                Quote: Temples
                People are interested in a single country in which they have lived for centuries.

                but this desire has not yet died, it must be revived before ... until it becomes a reality!
                It is difficult, someone will say impossible ... but let's work in this direction with due diligence!
              2. Podvodnik
                Podvodnik 18 August 2020 16: 45 New
                +1
                Human greed destroyed the state.


                I do not agree, not the state, but the state. Unfortunately plural.
              3. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
                evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 19 August 2020 14: 41 New
                +3
                No, not so, dear Temples. People did not destroy the USSR. People only by their stupidity, disorganization, laziness, incompetence, silence HELPED ,, ordinary nonhumans ,, (convenient and sensible in the sense - ,, UFO ,,) to destroy the world's first WORKING STATE.
                ,, Ufo ,, - parasites. Riding around people's necks is their main and favorite pastime.
                When creating an independent state, people should think about their safety. ,, UFOs, are strong, organized, bloodthirsty, merciless. The work of their hands is two world wars in the XX century. Invented and organized wars.
                The ideal ,, relations ,, between UFOs and people - a concentration camp, where the commanding ,, aliens ,, and their henchmen. A concentration camp can be disguised as a state. Maybe, fashionable, -, electronic. This does not change the ESSENCE of ,, relations ,,.
                People for UFOs are, consumables, a source of protein, spare parts, and pleasures. It is impossible to agree with them. They are totally DIFFERENT.
                The KGB of the USSR did not fulfill its main task, did not ensure the safety of the POWER OF THE PEOPLE, the POWER OF THE PEOPLE. I did not fulfill it because I did not know the SPIRITUAL component of the question.
                It is necessary to clearly understand the issues of confrontation between Good and Evil. You Need to Know That Evil Is Strong That the confrontation with him is very much hindered by silly level questions: “Should there be goodness with fists?”
                It is necessary to know that correct and intelligible relations with “good”, with Heaven, are called “Orthodoxy”. Without the Creator, you cannot cope with UFOs. And ,, red ,, ufo (,, coloring ,, for n and x - the tenth case) destroyed in due time the connection between the state and the church. What kind of serious special services could a frivolous state create that is not guided by the fundamental questions of life?
                The example of the USSR should now TEACH adequate PEOPLE even in Russia, even in Belarus (Ukraine, Novorossiya, Georgia ...). Abolish the power of ghouls - "UFOs" over yourself, build serious states with a serious structure, with serious special services. Which will NEVER give you under the yoke of ,, ordinary people ,,
          2. CSKA
            CSKA 18 August 2020 09: 34 New
            -11
            Quote: Svarog
            Based on this logic, it becomes clear that Russia is ruled by Gauleiters

            Volodya, what's your logic? Where did you see her? You have another delirium with a set of your bulk agitation.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 18 August 2020 09: 50 New
              0
              Logic, terms, is it so important ??? The END RESULT is important !!!
              1. CSKA
                CSKA 18 August 2020 15: 16 New
                -1
                Quote: rocket757
                Logic, terms, is it so important ??? The END RESULT is important !!!

                So what's the end result?
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 18 August 2020 16: 57 New
                  -1
                  World peace!!!
                  Doesn't this result suit you?
                  1. CSKA
                    CSKA 18 August 2020 18: 06 New
                    +1
                    Quote: rocket757
                    World peace!!!
                    Doesn't this result suit you?

                    ))))))) How does world peace relate to this delirium?
                    Quote: Svarog
                    If we proceed from this logic, it becomes clear that Russia is ruled by Gauleiters.
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 18 August 2020 19: 35 New
                      -1
                      The goals must be set high, then it will be where it is striving.
                      And nonsense, from which side, from which point of view to look.
                      Then, everyone has the opportunity, right, they are mistaken ...
                      And again, I remind you that they come to the final goal in different ways, however, the goals may be different.
                      For example, such a goal - the Greatness of Russia! It seems clear, only they understand it in different ways.
            2. saigon
              saigon 18 August 2020 10: 28 New
              +3
              Dear man, what did you write in the bulkheads?
              Well, forgive this nonsense on your part.
              Have you had a mind spell on Navalny?
              1. CSKA
                CSKA 18 August 2020 15: 18 New
                -2
                Quote: saigon
                Dear man, what did you write in the bulkheads?
                Well, forgive this nonsense on your part.
                Have you had a mind spell on Navalny?

                Well, of course he pretends to be a communist-socialist. Brands the liberals and the government calls them liberals, but they zealously defend them.
                1. saigon
                  saigon 18 August 2020 16: 49 New
                  +5
                  I don’t understand what kind of bulk he protects?
                  And what about our power not liberals?
                  In our country, the president calls himself a liberal, and what's next, if you’re about Belarus, then I’m afraid of Lesha, few people know there, or you just remember the main thing about Navalny is strange.
                  1. CSKA
                    CSKA 18 August 2020 18: 05 New
                    +1
                    Quote: saigon
                    I don’t understand what kind of bulk he protects?

                    Specifically bulk.
                    Quote: saigon
                    And what about our power not liberals?

                    Read who liberals are, what liberalism is, and what liberalism is in economics.
                    Quote: saigon
                    Our president calls himself a liberal, and what's next

                    You can also call the sun the moon from this it will not become the moon. And from the fact that the president told Western journalists what they wanted to hear a liberal, he did not. And that some of you do not remember Putin's recent interview with Western journalists, where he clearly said about liberalism.
                    Quote: saigon
                    no, if you are about Belarus, then I'm afraid Lesha there are few people know, or you just remember the main thing about Navalny strange.

                    I'm not talking about RB, specifically about Svarog. Which here on the forum in every article emanates bile. And spit on your Lesha, as well as on the rest of the nonentities like Groisman.
                    1. saigon
                      saigon 18 August 2020 19: 31 New
                      -1
                      I actually adhere to imperialist views on the path of Russia.
                      Throughout history we have been an empire and in time we will be again.
                      1. CSKA
                        CSKA 19 August 2020 14: 31 New
                        -1
                        Quote: saigon
                        I actually adhere to imperialist views on the path of Russia
                        Throughout history we have been an empire and in time we will be again.

                        Likewise. I am a conservative republican with an imperial outlook. And most of all I hate people like swarog pseudo communists who defend pseudo liberals. Their whole task is to criticize everything and everyone.
                      2. saigon
                        saigon 19 August 2020 17: 15 New
                        0
                        You are in vain so he has a lot of smart thoughts, criticism is useful if it is perceived without resentment and ambition.
        2. Pravodel
          Pravodel 18 August 2020 09: 40 New
          +4
          You are speaking correctly, but only with a very large generalization. In Russia, indeed, there are forces that are interested in the collapse of White Russia, as well as in the collapse of Russia itself. It's another matter that these forces are now much smaller than in the ever memorable 90s, when there was no true patriot of Russia in the leadership of Russia, but the 5th column of the West still exists in the government of Russia, acts and shits from the inside. The difficult process of freeing Russia from shit. Look, dad also thought that only patriots were sitting in the leadership of Belarus, but it turned out that - no, there are traitors who organize rallies at enterprises. In this regard, I recall Stalin, who cleaned the country's leadership from the 5th column of the West before the war.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 18 August 2020 09: 48 New
            +8
            Quote: The Truth
            In Russia, indeed, there are forces that are interested in the collapse of White Russia, as well as in the collapse of Russia itself. It's another matter that these forces are now much smaller than in the ever memorable 90s, when the leadership

            There is such a thing that any process is more difficult to form, launch, it can take a lot of time, money and effort !!! And then, when the process has started, to maintain it, stimulate, if necessary, the costs are MUCH LESS!
            Are you sure that the process of destruction of our Motherland has been stopped ???
            1. Alexey Sommer
              Alexey Sommer 18 August 2020 11: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              Are you sure that the process of destruction of our Motherland has been stopped ???

              These are the processes, they never stop for the poison of fundamental reasons. It just isn't possible.
              Another thing is that the process of creation has not been formed and, in fact, has not been launched by those who need it ...
              And who is it? Not zeroed by accident?
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 18 August 2020 11: 49 New
                0
                Quote: Alexey Sommer
                These are the processes, they never stop for the poison of fundamental reasons. It just isn't possible.

                Theoretically, whatever is destroyed, it must still be created.
                The current is not the support of everything that was created before, after all, it was \ became clear almost immediately ... the GDP slowed down, what had been launched to its fullest, but there was no complete stop and no. They, the majority, are not creators ..... but the PEOPLE are in a trance / coma, in short, somewhere there.
          2. CSKA
            CSKA 18 August 2020 15: 19 New
            -4
            Quote: The Truth
            In this regard, I recall Stalin, who cleaned the country's leadership from the 5th column of the West before the war.

            Yeah. Leadership and officers. And what did it lead to? And so you are sure that it was not for the sake of strengthening his own power that he staged this cleansing?
      2. zwlad
        zwlad 18 August 2020 09: 37 New
        +2
        It's time to move the capital. In Samara, for example. Or rebuild. Somewhere in the Urals. At the same time, there will be something to cut.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 18 August 2020 09: 51 New
          +9
          For the Urals !!! and better immediately to the Kolyma! there are many, many are tired of waiting!
        2. 210ox
          210ox 18 August 2020 10: 48 New
          +4
          This is the case! There is an example, Brazil. To the monkeys ... more precisely, the reindeer. Maybe they will start moving faster from the frost.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 18 August 2020 11: 36 New
            0
            Lack of comfort for a loved one stimulates various activities, for example, the brain.
        3. Doliva63
          Doliva63 18 August 2020 19: 44 New
          0
          Quote: zwlad
          It's time to move the capital. In Samara, for example. Or rebuild. Somewhere in the Urals. At the same time, there will be something to cut.

          Don't go to the Urals! Build "somewhere" for yourself! am
        4. Captain Nemo
          Captain Nemo 18 August 2020 20: 22 New
          -1
          You don't need to go to Samara, it has enough of its own parasites and crooks ...) It's better to place the capital near Norilsk ... The Putorana Plateau is an ideal place inaccessible to NATO tanks, one might say a wonderful ski resort, the Alps are resting ...) ... Solid savings on air conditioners.
      3. Alexey Sommer
        Alexey Sommer 18 August 2020 10: 54 New
        0
        Quote: rocket757
        that NATO tanks will be very close to the capital, for example !!!

        And what, from Estonia, for example, or from Kharkov NATO is much further to our capital?
        You should at least have a snack when you give out such pearls. Well, not everyone passed the USE here.
        It's a shame, honestly.
        For educated people, the question of Belarus is not about NATO tanks near Smolensk, but about the fact that our vrehushka, headed by a zeroed one, is either completely, unlike monkeys, not even capable of training, or deliberately merges Russia.
        Regardless of the option, the consequences are the same.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 18 August 2020 11: 34 New
          +3
          I explain for those who did not even take the exam, from the side of the three Baltic sisters to climb not comme il faut, logistics and other lousy, for objective reasons, by the way.
          But on the old Smolensk road to the capital, the route is old, explored, maybe, maybe, fools who do not remember history, they have enough ...
          A lot of negative things can be listed ...
          Quote: Alexey Sommer
          For educated people, the question of Belarus is not about NATO tanks near Smolensk, but about

          Educated people know how to see the problem in a complex ... at the same time I do not distinguish between external and internal problems. But those who did not even pass the USE were shocked by "zeroing" in front of their noses and immediately seemed to suffer, there is no time to stop and THINK.
          Why is that?
          1. Alexey Sommer
            Alexey Sommer 18 August 2020 11: 40 New
            0
            did not understand what you wrote. excuse me.
            Do you at least understand that now is not the 19th century and the logistics are no longer the same?
            Now logistics, these are rockets and their flight time. and also logistics, these are sales markets. if that threatens us with minus 10 million.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 18 August 2020 12: 00 New
              +3
              The most realistic option is a war with the use of rocket weapons .... but do not care which side, they will look for where the air defense is weaker, the loss of the Belarusian border, an ally, will result in us VERY EXPENSIVE! It gets even more dangerous.
              The Baltic states pf-e, on that side there is already an air defense, a line of defense, and in general they are already ready for reflection from that side, i.e. no new, unplanned costs.
              About tanks, the Smolensk road and the distance to the capital .... not real, not relevant for a conflict with a nuclear power.
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 18 August 2020 17: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: rocket757
            I explain for those who did not even take the exam, from the side of the three Baltic sisters to climb not comme il faut, logistics and other lousy, for objective reasons, by the way.

            What kind of lousy logistics can be if the Tribaltic ports have long been the main "window to Europe" for the USSR / RF? And the transport of goods through the same Latvia is consistently high.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 18 August 2020 17: 29 New
              0
              To want or be able to make a big difference.
              What do you think and for how long, only that infrastructure will remain ... but nothing will remain, if anything!
              What are we talking about, about the transportation of Chinese goods or about decisions made during a special period?
              Wake up and try to think how .... differently, in short.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 19 August 2020 10: 11 New
                0
                Quote: rocket757
                What do you think and for how long, only that infrastructure will remain ... but nothing will remain, if anything!

                As well as from the old Smolensk road - since such a booze has already gone. smile
                So the directions are equivalent. Although ... no, they are not equivalent - on the NATO Tribal route to the second largest city of the Russian Federation, you need to walk only 130 km.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 19 August 2020 10: 16 New
                  0
                  The "old Smolensk road" just indicated the direction, but this is a wide corridor, which is much more difficult to block.
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  NATO's Baltic direction to the second largest city of the Russian Federation needs to go only 130 km.

                  I don’t want to argue ... all real military experts agree on one thing, the loss of the space of Belarus will cost us VERY EXPENSIVELY!
      4. Rokambol
        Rokambol 18 August 2020 12: 46 New
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        Quote: rocket757
        won't work already ... or rather it will work very much to our detriment

        Everything is harmful to us. We will help Belarus defend - to our detriment, we will not help - again to our detriment. We will still be blamed for everything. This means that if everything is to our detriment, then it is necessary, having discarded everything, to score on possible "harmfulness" and help.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 18 August 2020 13: 02 New
          +3
          Help is not a question, only help is strictly in the interests of our country.
          I do not want to see discrepancies, multi-vector nature in our actions.
    2. askort154
      askort154 18 August 2020 09: 03 New
      +9
      Alexey, in general, everything is in the "top ten", but only from the economic and political side. In my opinion, the issue of security is more important. The oligarchs do not care that NATO, at such a pace, may be at the border of the Moscow region. hi
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 18 August 2020 09: 10 New
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      Quote: Volodin
      Here is the question in "their own interests" ...

      I.V. Stalin once "mastered" Western Ukraine in order to move the border away from Russia as far as possible. Isn't Russia today interested in being surrounded by friendly states, not NATO bases? If this issue is not part of "their interests," then they should be talking about Russia. And if it enters, then YES, FUCKED!
      1. And why do you need
        And why do you need 19 August 2020 00: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: Volodin
        Here is the question in "their own interests" ...

        I.V. Stalin once "mastered" Western Ukraine in order to move the border away from Russia as far as possible. Isn't Russia today interested in being surrounded by friendly states, not NATO bases? If this issue is not part of "their interests," then they should be talking about Russia. And if it enters, then YES, FUCKED!

        It may be interested, but somehow it turns out ochchchen krivoruko.
    4. 210ox
      210ox 18 August 2020 10: 46 New
      +1
      The question is what is meant by "the Russian authorities." Money bags (well, there are boxes from a copier, shipping containers, etc.) ... I admit that certain people are in the right hands. And do not care about the interests of their state, the main thing is profit .. Only now it turns out that they do not have "their own state". And further. Well, they will knock down the LAG .. Maybe even get control over production. And then what? What about Sberbank or Tatneft for the first time?
    5. svp67
      svp67 18 August 2020 10: 53 New
      +5
      Quote: Volodin
      Here is the question in "their own interests" ...

      Yes ... the question is not idle, like
      But on whose side are such forces playing? - The answer is obvious: certainly not on the side of the peoples of Russia and Belarus, as well as not on the side of the peoples of Russia and Ukraine they played in their time and continue to play today. Slavic brotherhood ...
      Are there many Slavs among these people? Yes, the "fragment of the USSR" cannot survive in this capitalist sea ...
    6. ugol2
      ugol2 18 August 2020 11: 40 New
      +7
      Don't go to your grandmother, the author got stuck somewhere in the 70s of the last century, and thinks that the USSR still exists and is fighting world capitalism in all corners of the world.
      As a red thread through the entire article "Capital ... capitalist system ... owners of factories, newspapers, steamers ..."
      Open your eyes. XXI Century. Those who are less than 30 already do not know the word "capitalism - socialism".
      There are no bad "capitalists" by definition and no good "communists" by definition. Otherwise, the USSR would now flourish, and the bourgeois Western world was either mired in poverty, or had long overthrown its bourgeoisie and built communism, led by the Communist Party.
      Why haven't the American bourgeoisie still ruined the US economy?
      Because everyone should be a patriot, first of all, of his country, no matter whether you are a bourgeois or a proletarian.
      It works for them. We have not yet.
    7. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 18 August 2020 11: 48 New
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      Quote: Volodin
      Quote: Zaurbek
      and did not ensure the promotion of their interests.

      Here is the question in "their own interests" ...

      What happened was what should have happened ...
      1. About the economy. Lukashenka has built an economy named after Himself. And he was proud of this, and is still proud that everything works, EVERYONE works. And they even get paid. But the products of the main industries in Belarus are not in demand on the technological market. Or - most of it goes to Russia. And nothing goes from Russia to Belarus. Our trade balance with the union state is strange.
      2. Finance. GrygorYch, for all his collective farm mentality, did not introduce quarantine on the occasion of Covid-19. They told him that then the economy would collapse completely. But protests and strikes were not better, but worse than the coronavirus. What we are seeing today.
      3. Allies. Were we allies? Since the events of August 2008, it has become clear that the CSTO is a tiger on paper. The main "colleagues" in EURASEC turned out to be silent partners. And only in relation to us. Both Nazarbayev and Lukashenko not only did not support Russia, even with a demonstrative shaking of the air, but they quietly whispered that they did not want to spoil trade relations with either Georgia or with Mishiko's patrons.
      4. Mass media. Let the Belarusians say about the ratio of TV channels from Russia to Polish ones. You don't have to stutter about the Internet - everyone chooses their own stream channels, their preferred sources. But I will not pass by V. Solovyov and his analytical programs. Regardless of the opinion of members of the forum, I can say that "Sunday evening" banned in Lukashenka Belarus... As in Banderostan, by the way. Don't you catch the similarity? If everything is clear with regard to the former Ukraine, then why is there a pro-government program “outside the Belarusian law” in our allied state?
      5. Pro-Russianness of Lukashenka. It's even easier. NEVER he (AHL) was pro-Russian, from the word at all. He was and is anyone - a Belarusian, a Lithuanian European, at times a Slav.
      Grygorich came to power on a wave of promises of friendly and fraternal relations with Russia, as did Pan Kuchma (remember this?). Kuchma was demolished quickly. But there is an analogy. And according to the script, and according to the promises.
      Why go far? What did the 95th block clown promise his voters? So it turns out that promising does not mean getting married.
      Summary.
      Lukashenko has been wiping his feet about us for 26 years. Not Belarusians, not a fraternal people, but the chairman of the state farm, who pretends to be the leader of the Belarusians for all time. And the Belarusian KGB follows strictly in the wake of its instructions, in which the absence of any allied relations is clearly traced. Remember the problems of the journalists of Russian TV channels recently. And compare with similar manifestations of police aggression in the United States. Or is the United States also our ally?
      Grygorich - downed pilot. And God forbid not to repeat the fate of Ceausescu.
    8. SSR
      SSR 18 August 2020 14: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Volodin
      Quote: Zaurbek
      and did not ensure the promotion of their interests.

      Here is the question in "their own interests" ...

      It’s not a question at all, Russia didn’t give out cookies and didn’t plan "heavenly hundreds" where did Russia plan something and then cut the profits? Ukrainian engines are gone, the South is gone, Antonov and more ,. Maybe our individual individuals would be happy to squeeze potassium, but who will give them, sponsored from Europe "leaders of the nation"? So they are given for this business to cut the jackpot themselves.
    9. Oden280
      Oden280 18 August 2020 18: 28 New
      +1
      Overwhelm Belarus - in 24 year there will be a war.
  2. Civil
    Civil 18 August 2020 08: 51 New
    +8
    So who is to blame that the development strategy, the standard of living, and the social arrangement of Russia are not attractive for the Slavic space?
    1. CSKA
      CSKA 18 August 2020 09: 33 New
      -3
      Quote: Civil
      So who is to blame that the development strategy, the standard of living, and the social arrangement of Russia are not attractive for the Slavic space?

      Is that why millions from Ukraine, Belarus and Central Asia go to Russia?
      1. 210ox
        210ox 18 August 2020 14: 07 New
        +2
        Why are they going? Because it's worse there than ours. There are relatives, many acquaintances who have settled here. The language of communication, after all.
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 18 August 2020 17: 57 New
          -1
          Quote: 210ox
          Why are they going? Because it's worse there than ours. There are relatives, many acquaintances who have settled here. The language of communication, after all.

          You read the comment carefully. There the person writes:
          Quote: Civil
          So who is to blame that the development strategy, the standard of living, and the social arrangement of Russia are not attractive for the Slavic space?

          It turns out that the standard of living attracts.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 18 August 2020 18: 54 New
            +1
            Come on. They are attracted by the "standard of living" In cabins, change houses, in rented apartments, three or four people in a room .... They could earn a living for themselves and their family. I'm not even talking about the criminal groups of different diaspora and what attracts them.
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 19 August 2020 15: 52 New
              -1
              Quote: 210ox
              In cabins, change houses, in rented apartments, three or four people per room

              I'm not talking about guest workers from Central Asia who come to work, but about the citizens of Ukraine. And not about handymen. A huge number of people leave Ukraine and Belarus and actually live permanently in the Russian Federation, receive citizenship, and work as doctors, installers, engineers, managers and create state of emergency. I have such friends and know a huge number.
      2. syndicalist
        syndicalist 18 August 2020 14: 13 New
        +1
        At the base where I work, several hundred guest workers from Central Asia pass annually. Belarusians and Ukrainians worked. Earlier. Until 2014. Since then I have not seen a single one. Not at home or in the city. But I know guys who go to work in Kiev. Not plasterers, of course. It's just that the international firm where they worked closed their branches in the Russian Federation and offered them the same money in its nearest representative office.
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 18 August 2020 17: 59 New
          -2
          Quote: syndicalist
          Belarusians and Ukrainians worked. Earlier. Until 2014. Since then I have not seen a single one.

          I don't know where your base is, but there are a lot of Ukrainian citizens in the Krasnodar Territory.
          Quote: syndicalist
          But I know guys who go to work in Kiev. Not plasterers, of course. It's just that the international firm where they worked closed their branches in the Russian Federation and offered them the same money in its nearest representative office.

          So what do they do?
          1. syndicalist
            syndicalist 18 August 2020 18: 17 New
            0
            IT-shnikami.
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 19 August 2020 14: 26 New
              0
              Quote: syndicalist
              IT-shnikami.

              ))))) A good IT specialist with knowledge of PHP or a Frontend developer does not need any Kiev. He gets very high salaries in Russia.
          2. 210ox
            210ox 18 August 2020 19: 00 New
            +1
            About the Krasnodar Territory, because I live there .. Many people here have relatives there, in Ukraine. We moved in 2014-15 from the flaming Donbass. One even works for us. By the way, his father went to work in Kiev., Many so. refugees were kicked out of the pages by local residents. They behaved inappropriately, to put it mildly. Over the past four years, I have not heard that anyone from there moved either to us or to neighboring areas.
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 19 August 2020 14: 27 New
              -1
              Quote: 210ox
              About the Krasnodar Territory, because I live there .. Many people here have relatives there, in Ukraine. We moved in 2014-15 from the flaming Donbass. One even works for us. By the way, his father went to work in Kiev., Many so. refugees were kicked out of the pages by local residents. They behaved inappropriately, to put it mildly. Over the past four years, I have not heard that anyone from there moved either to us or to neighboring areas.

              Many have returned home. I know those. Krasnodar itself is full. The same as in Rostov.
    2. Campanella
      Campanella 18 August 2020 09: 46 New
      +2
      This is how the question arises.
      Are there forces in Russia that do not need a strong, successful Russia?
      And who, with this view, has the ability to influence many areas of life.
      In words, all for the greatness of Russia, for a decent life, but in fact, its own shirt "tears" the country to pieces?
      In my opinion, personal enrichment and ambition in the conditions of unformed civil institutions, the absence of a common goal of the state contributes to this state of affairs.
      Contrary to the opinion of Mr. Peskov, it is the oligarchy that determines the policy of the state.
    3. saigon
      saigon 18 August 2020 10: 35 New
      +8
      To become attractive, we need an imperial political course and imperial thinking in our leadership.
      One may not like the empire, but the empire, first of all, bears the temptation to enter it.
      Modern Russia is not tempting.
      Our standard of living is not superior to others, we have nothing to seduce the elites and the population of other countries
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich 18 August 2020 08: 54 New
    -1
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Of course, the Russian authorities overlooked ... they dated the economy of Belarus (and Ukraine and Armenia) and did not ensure the promotion of their interests.

    It was not only Russia that worked there: the whole West was digging the ground there through Internet propaganda, NGOs, etc.

    This is a powerful force.
    1. Deniska999
      Deniska999 18 August 2020 08: 56 New
      +4
      This means that our policy is not effective.
    2. askort154
      askort154 18 August 2020 09: 40 New
      +4
      Olgovich... It was not only Russia that worked there: the entire West was digging the ground there through Internet propaganda, NGOs, etc.
      This is a powerful force.


      Quite right. In the 20th century, the media was considered the "fourth estate". In the 21st century, in the century of information warfare, the media have entered the "three" power.
      Russia will never win an information war. The difference in the number of "teams" is too big. There are 29 states in NATO, they will do only one provocative article against Russia, we cannot block such a flow. hi
      1. DenZ
        DenZ 18 August 2020 10: 23 New
        +3
        Quote: askort154
        Russia will never win an information war. The difference in the number of "teams" is too big.

        Not because of the lack of ideology. And that's it! All troubles come from this. What to rely on in the information war? On God? (this is the only way it remains). What are we building? What kind of society? Nobody explains anything to anyone. Either we fall into fierce capitalism (where man is a wolf to man), then we remember the soul and spirituality (although the church is officially separated from the state) We are shaken from side to side and we go through life in zigzags without looking for simple ways. And not fast, I must say, let's go.
    3. Gunter prereen
      Gunter prereen 18 August 2020 09: 53 New
      +8
      Powerful and very rich. Many people here believe that wherever Russia climbs with "correct actions" it will always win. Naive dreams. The entire Western world, which has much greater resources and experience, is working against Russia.
    4. Karabin
      Karabin 18 August 2020 10: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: Olgovich
      Not only Russia worked there:

      Judging by the results in the post-Soviet space, the hands of workers
      are located below the back. And the head is in the same place.
    5. Rokambol
      Rokambol 18 August 2020 12: 50 New
      +4
      Quote: Olgovich
      This is a powerful force.

      For every force, there is an opposing force and there is no force that does not have an opposing force.
  4. Svarog
    Svarog 18 August 2020 08: 58 New
    20
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Of course, the Russian authorities overlooked ..

    Overlooked? Yes, already open your eyes ... the authorities are not looking ... they have no deep integration with the post-Soviet countries in their tasks ... There is only business ... and nothing more. Now everything is done for the sake of money and this money has nothing to do with the citizens of the country ..
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 18 August 2020 09: 01 New
      +3
      And why then complaints about the actions of the authorities of these countries? and fear of the influence of NATO and their military?
  5. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 18 August 2020 09: 15 New
    +6
    Quote: Zaurbek
    the authorities of the Russian Federation overlooked ... they dated the economy of Belarus (and Ukraine and Armenia) and did not ensure the promotion of their interests.

    Due to the economic support of Ukraine and the Republic of Belarus, at hour X, we were left without 3 sets of naval gas turbines, without gearboxes, without helicopter gas turbine engines. And today we run the risk of being left without special transporters of the Strategic Missile Forces and other things, other things ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 August 2020 17: 33 New
      0
      Do not worry about the platform O from Kamaz, we will replace all the Ukrainian ones with their own.
  6. Naive
    Naive 19 August 2020 00: 24 New
    0
    Gold words! You can also add and they were not provided in the Russian Federation ...
  7. Outsider V.
    Outsider V. 19 August 2020 12: 07 New
    0
    dated the economy of Belarus

    In the sense of dоtied?
  8. yehat2
    yehat2 19 August 2020 18: 49 New
    0
    in our country there are 2 groups of oligarchs and dominant princelings - those who have completely lost their shores and believe that money gives the right to any lawlessness and the latter, who understand that money does not solve everything and that the right to private property can be reconsidered as external friends, so inside.
    so it is profitable for the first to warm their hands on the riots in Belarus, and for the second it is not.
  9. vavilon
    vavilon 20 August 2020 07: 56 New
    0
    The fact of the matter is that the Roi oligarchy promoted its personal interests, but not the state ones.
  • Victor_B
    Victor_B 18 August 2020 08: 38 New
    10
    They will tear everything apart and destroy ...
    Tribaltika and 404 as an example.
    Belaruskali, Grodno-Azot, developed refineries are tasty morsels, the Belarusian nuclear power plant will continue to work, and the rest of the industry is under the knife!
    The whole military - definitely! And there is a lot of it and mainly works for Russia.
    1. Genry
      Genry 18 August 2020 10: 58 New
      +2
      Not in response, but on the topic ...
  • Boris55
    Boris55 18 August 2020 08: 40 New
    +5
    Yesterday Shakhnazarov in "60 minutes" spoke for the Maidan in Belarus, proposing to appoint non-constitutional re-elections. The canned food was opened, and in appearance - like a decent person. True, we must pay tribute - none of the experts and presenters supported him. However, the word is not a sparrow, if it flies out, you won't catch it. And such a person heads Mos.film ...
    1. ZAV69
      ZAV69 18 August 2020 09: 17 New
      +7
      For the creative "elite" political prostitution is a normal state. And if we consider that our creative "elite" traditionally looks to the West, why are you surprised?
    2. aglet
      aglet 18 August 2020 09: 29 New
      -1
      "And such a person heads Mos.film ..."
      What does the director of Mosfilm have to do with the foreign policy of the Russian Federation? and what is the political weight of his statements? let him say whatever, this is his personal opinion. I think the last opinion that the president will listen to is the opinion of Mr. Shakhnazarov (don't think that you are gopodina)
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 18 August 2020 09: 39 New
        +6
        Quote: aglet
        What does the director of Mosfilm have to do with the foreign policy of the Russian Federation?

        This person forms the worldview of millions of our citizens. Shapes our thoughts.

        First thought, then action. As we think and act. As we act, so we live.

        ps
        The slang expression: "Concerts have opened," must be understood in such a way that mothballed agents of foreign states have appeared (lit up).
      2. border
        border 24 August 2020 11: 52 New
        0
        This person was invited to the studio as a citizen of Shakhnazarov, but as an official. If he was just Karen living in Moscow, no one would have called him anywhere. Therefore, all the "gag" of officials should be considered as the statement of an official and for their words they should be held accountable as an official. Maybe then they will think more with their heads when they discuss political and social topics.
    3. CSKA
      CSKA 18 August 2020 09: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Boris55
      The canned food was opened, and in appearance - like a decent person.

      Quote: Boris55
      And such a person heads Mos.film ...

      Shakhnazarov is a patriot of the Russian Federation and has the right to his opinion. And you would listen more attentively to what he says in many programs.
    4. Campanella
      Campanella 18 August 2020 09: 49 New
      +4
      And how did you argue? There is an interesting factor here, we so passionately persuade the Belarusians from rash steps, and they throw a noose for themselves with even greater enthusiasm. It turns out that until they let off steam, it is useless to talk to them, they are zombies.
      1. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 18 August 2020 10: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: Campanella
        It turns out that until they let off steam, talking to them is useless, they are zombies.

        You shouldn't be talking about zombies ... But if you don't talk to the suicide, he will jump off the cornice. And then suddenly it turns out that a neighbor whispered about his allegedly cheating wife in order to buy the vacant living space for a cheap price ... Such a series has already been shown and everyone has watched it.
        1. Campanella
          Campanella 18 August 2020 10: 44 New
          0
          Everything is so, but they so deeply believed in it all ... And not all suicides can be saved, if only because the people who can really help do not always work with them.
          1. g1washntwn
            g1washntwn 18 August 2020 12: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: Campanella
            That's right, but they believed it so deeply ...

            The main task of both the politician and the merchant is to SELL THE IDEA. Not a product, but an idea. This is the first thing taught "there". And I must admit, according to the reaction of the crowd, it is not so difficult to shove something that is not packed into the empty space. It is more difficult to convince those who have something in their heads that capitalism, after surrendering the position of socialism, remained the only correct and generally the only idea of ​​the development of society.
            And by the way about the negotiators, their task is to positively influence the "client", and those who are now shouting to Belarus "Go away!" (to us, from Russia, it doesn't matter) look more like an impatient crowd with iPhones under the same cornice. I personally hear from these "bloggers waiting for brains on the asphalt": "Jump! Jump!" ...
            1. Campanella
              Campanella 18 August 2020 17: 23 New
              0
              Alas, political maturity is not available to everyone.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 18 August 2020 08: 41 New
    +4
    And why did many in our country decide that "all of Russia" is interested in saving Belarus ...

    there are those interested, especially those who still do not recognize other methods than "resolve"!
  • smart fellow
    smart fellow 18 August 2020 08: 43 New
    +6
    Well, if you make the request "Belarus", then everywhere is the Russian RBK (Parent company: Pragla Ltd. (Cyprus)) and "drowns" against Lukashenko.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 18 August 2020 11: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: smart fellow
      Well, if you make the request "Belarus", then everywhere is the Russian RBK (Parent company: Pragla Ltd. (Cyprus)) and "drowns" against Lukashenko.

      Prokhorov's company.
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 18 August 2020 08: 44 New
    +2
    An interesting article, an interesting opinion. It is not necessary to place it in the "news" block. and in the block - "opinion". You can talk there longer. And the news changes quickly. And this is the opinion. IMHO. hi
    1. Lesorub
      Lesorub 18 August 2020 08: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: Tank Hard
      An interesting article, an interesting opinion. It is not necessary to place it in the "news" block. and in the block - "opinion". You can talk there longer. And the news changes quickly. And this is the opinion. IMHO. hi

      Read PS - at the end of the article.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 18 August 2020 12: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: Lesorub
        Read PS - at the end of the article.

        At the time of my comment, PS, it didn't seem to exist. request But not the point.
    2. Inorus
      Inorus 18 August 2020 10: 31 New
      +1
      So at the end of the article, it is written according to those. The reasons are in the news section.
  • Fungus
    Fungus 18 August 2020 08: 44 New
    +3
    In the post-Soviet space, revolutions took place in four countries. Kyrgyzstan, Georgia, Ukraine and Armenia. Somewhere calm, somewhere bloody. After the revolution, these countries did not live better, but even worse. Tell me is this masochism? Live in peace, then take the country down and sit and go out? Belarus will be the fifth country or not where they lived normally, but then they overthrew the power and began to fade, we’ll wait and see.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 18 August 2020 08: 54 New
      +4
      The main question is different ... in all cases, the Russian Federation had financial injections into these countries and was for them the main sales market and labor market ... And now somewhere the Russian language has been canceled, somewhere TV broadcasts have been turned off, somewhere NATO military is wandering ... And everyone is openly rude.
      Question: Who are the professional managers in our government? By CIS countries?
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 18 August 2020 09: 01 New
      +4
      Quote: Fungus
      In the post-Soviet space, revolutions took place in four countries. Kyrgyzstan, Georgia, Ukraine and Armenia.

      Forgotten the MOST vivid and close because of the "revolution" example - Moldova.

      But the result is yes, the same ...
    3. halpat
      halpat 18 August 2020 10: 15 New
      +5
      Quote: Fungus
      In the post-Soviet space, revolutions took place in four countries. Kyrgyzstan, Georgia, Ukraine and Armenia. Somewhere calm, somewhere bloody. After the revolution, these countries did not live better, but even worse. Tell me is this masochism? Live in peace, then take the country down and sit and go out? Belarus will be the fifth country or not where they lived normally, but then they overthrew the power and began to fade, we’ll wait and see.

      You write everything correctly. But the Belarusians show amazing myopia, and one might even say harsher.
      I just laugh when the news shows the reasoning of Belarusians: Here orders for enterprises will go from the West. We'll live ...
      Etc.
      I would like to tell them: open your eyes! Look at your neighbors from the former Soviet republics. Who has become a better life ?? Who received orders from the West and industrial enterprises are working successfully?
      Everything, without exception, is in deep ass, the entire industry has been destroyed: the Baltics (3), Ukraine, Moldova, Armenia, Georgia. An EU member, an association with the EU or just like that - nothing helps these terpils. Only Russophobia is on sale and that is not very profitable, you will not get fat.
      This is in the European, so to speak, part. Take a closer look.
      More or less well in Azerbaijan. And that's because he has managed not to get into the American Democratic mill yet.

      And further. I have repeatedly seen the tables of GDP growth of all these “countries” in comparison with Russia and with “unkillable” comments / “proofs” - here in Armenia 3 ... and in Russia 1 ...%.
      And many are on it, although the layout is dumber it is difficult to think of.
      Readers do not have enough convolutions to understand that this comparison is incorrect, at least, due to the almost vanishing smallness of the gdp volumes of the “former” in comparison with Russia, I can roll out a whole article on this topic, I will not.
      There is no such goal.

      And the purpose of this post is to say:
      Belarusians, if you break away from Russia, you will find yourself in the deepest ass.
      Your neighbors are all led to fairy tales about the EU, and many have been there, beautiful, European ... yeah
      So well being good EU (Western Europe, Scandinavia) NOT FOR post-Soviet, even if you are zarusophobe.
      Your destiny is a hostile buffer against Russia, in the "front-line" zone they do not build a beautiful and rich life, but build anti-tank ditches, pillboxes, etc.
      Feeding will be only for those who hate Russia and then too little to bark more angrily. The rest are almost complete poverty, look at 404.
      That's it.
    4. betta
      betta 18 August 2020 10: 20 New
      +1
      Rather masochism. The country froze in stability. It does not exist in nature, everything must change, develop. Therefore, people have an intuitive desire for something new. Now, who will offer what and where will he lead? By the way, we also have elements of stabilization, which means that either the lower classes will rebel (with the help of course), or the upper classes will come to their senses.
      1. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 18 August 2020 12: 17 New
        +3
        Quote: betta
        Therefore, people have an intuitive desire for something new.

        When the people sang along with Tsoi "Our hearts demand changes", hardly anyone suspected that they would die of hopelessness and denatured alcohol in the perestroika times ... Therefore:
        Be afraid of your desires, because they have the properties to come true

        I'll add my 5 kopecks: "... not as planned."
        1. betta
          betta 18 August 2020 15: 26 New
          0
          If there is a desire for change, then there will be proposals. It is only clear that our opponents are very active and act competently and persistently.
          1. g1washntwn
            g1washntwn 19 August 2020 08: 42 New
            +2
            If wolf pack tactics work, then why would wolves change them? They surround and cut off from the herd one by one the WEAKEST SPECIALS. This American policy even has the name "bestial" - "Anaconda", and we are all humanly trying to talk to them ... The maddened and no longer thinking crowd for adrenaline is also nothing human. Therefore, one should speak with them in a language they understand. It's like in self-defense with drunks - gentle patting on the cheek does not neutralize his aggression, but vice versa. Only strength techniques with fixation until the arrival of the attire and orderlies.
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 18 August 2020 08: 45 New
    11
    The author forgot about one thing, and our oligarchs too: in the country 404 Russian property was openly squeezed out, Russian structures were not allowed to any privatization. So it will be in Belarus, they will immediately shut up the participation of Russian structures, because privatization by Russian structures will mean integration with Russia, and the customers of the potato revolution do not need this from the word at all.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 18 August 2020 08: 55 New
      +4
      And all this with our constant subsidies .... and free access to our markets.
      1. shed
        shed 18 August 2020 11: 06 New
        -2
        it's strange how some Russians are zambia, we gave them everything and they don't listen to us, in the 90s they already considered not in favor of Russia, well then you ate palm oil and it was bad with brains, let me remind you of your posts about medvoputs, and lastly, not spit in the well, otherwise you can see NATO missiles not in Poland but on your border and the flight time is 5 minutes to Moscow, then it won't be fun, for zaurbeka in Belarus there are 2 very important bases for which Russia does not pay anything and try to collect a lot more Old and immediately stop trying to talk about subsidies
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 18 August 2020 11: 35 New
          +1
          In general, you don't need to listen to us. We need to give money to nice regimes and, in return, get loyalty from them. Or don't give money. All.
    2. dik-nsk
      dik-nsk 18 August 2020 08: 55 New
      -10
      I agree, a lot is far-fetched in the article .. it feels like Lukashenka's speech has been licked off))
      1. Volodin
        18 August 2020 09: 01 New
        15
        Quote: dik-nsk
        a lot is far-fetched in the article .. it feels like Lukashenka's speech is licked off))

        "The article is far-fetched." Some commentators are no longer up to elementary ethics in communication. If "far-fetched", then give counter-arguments - that now money bags will rush to the aid of the brotherly Belarusian people, and the people will heal like cheese in butter ...
        1. dik-nsk
          dik-nsk 18 August 2020 09: 06 New
          -12
          in my opinion, my colleague has clearly stated everything above, no one will let Russian business get close, and there is no need to hide behind pretentious "cross-border" companies .. you were given Ukraine as an example ..
          I called it an "article" because I think so, I have the right to my opinion, tie it up with the communiak (straight through) slogans that only your opinion is correct ... they also scattered the minuses to those who disagree, y-yes ..
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 18 August 2020 09: 51 New
            +2
            I somehow can imagine very well what will become of this business to which ours will not be allowed), think of the main market, they put a spoke in the wheel. and it is most likely simply reorienting for this reason.
        2. Gunter prereen
          Gunter prereen 18 August 2020 10: 18 New
          +1
          First, decide how you see this help? More specifically. The situation is not easy. Lukashenka is not needed by all parties. Neither the people, nor the West, nor Russia. What do workers who go on strike need? The same as the youth on the streets? Or not? What to save them from?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 18 August 2020 17: 42 New
            0
            This is their choice, let them go wherever they want to go there and Russia and Belarus go without decree since 1991.
    3. Volodin
      18 August 2020 08: 58 New
      15
      Quote: ZAV69
      The author forgot about one thing, and our oligarchs too: in the country 404, Russian property was openly squeezed out,

      In my opinion, you have not read the material very carefully. The author (your humble servant) writes that the oligarchy is transboundary and de jure does not always refer to "Russian structures", given the numerous registrations and re-registrations of businesses in offshores.
      1. ZAV69
        ZAV69 18 August 2020 09: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Volodin
        In my opinion, you have not read the material very carefully.

        I read it very carefully. But all this cross-border capital has fixed assets in Russia and goes to the Kremlin. And therefore, for all its transboundary nature, it is Russian. If capital loses its Russian assets and stops going to the Kremlin for receptions, then everything will end for him sooner or later with a sale of London mansions at best, or a scarf at worst.
        1. Volodin
          18 August 2020 09: 20 New
          +8
          Quote: ZAV69
          If the capital loses its Russian assets and stops going to the Kremlin for receptions, then everything will end for him sooner or later; the sale of London mansions

          Well, you yourself answered everything: the capital is "Russian", but his "mansions" are in London. In other words, he, to put it mildly, sneezes on strategic state interests, the main thing is to adapt - somewhere to throw bread crumbs to the state, and somewhere to "squeeze out" a tidbit in his favor. It is this opportunism and enormous influence that allows them to keep their capital not only in Russia. In "democratic Europe" everything would have been taken over long ago, but no ...
          1. ZAV69
            ZAV69 18 August 2020 09: 34 New
            +3
            A mansion is not a factory, it eats money and does not bring. And these gentlemen can sneeze only up to a certain limit, tk. you can be left without a plant and without a head.
    4. Gunter prereen
      Gunter prereen 18 August 2020 10: 20 New
      -3
      I agree. And even more. They will lose even the property they have in Belarus. Gazprom will be left without its pipe for two times.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 18 August 2020 08: 46 New
    +2
    This is what free loans from Russia lead to. In Ukraine, they were unraveling. There, the aligarkhat is in power, continues to put Western loans on skis. In Belarus, they created the illusion of Lukashenka’s success. No one wants to give money. They come up with various ways to get away from it. According to the results Look, it would be better to invest in Russia. I hope that in Belarus, brother to brother will not reach the level of Ukraine. A couple of shots and rush.
    1. New
      New Year day 18 August 2020 09: 40 New
      11
      Quote: tralflot1832
      This is what free loans from Russia lead to

      Write nonsense. The author has raised a topic that no one pays attention to here. A couple of days ago I tried to do this, but to be honest, I'm tired of proving the obvious. Thanks to the author.
      The question is what exactly it is. Our oligorkhat is already rubbing his hands. Luke will leave and the question is what will happen next.
      Belarus will be torn apart either by ours or not by ours. The economy of Belarus is an island that is not privatized. Lukashenka managed to keep a fragment of the Soviet system amid the ocean of privatizers. The last attack on him by our privatizers was under Medvedev. Then one of the privatizers even sat in a Belarusian prison, then a stream of shit poured on him on our screens. It is for this reason that Lukashenka did not agree to an alliance with Russia. Behind him stood and are "red directors" and they would not want to be left without a pie.
      But Luka became arrogant, turned into a dictator, because only a dictator dreams of inheriting the presidency.
      The Wagnerites were not there by chance. Thinking people understand this, just as they can find the testimony of their Belarusian coordinator, who surrendered to the KGB. After all, it is interesting to know that no Ukrainians have anything to do with that case, there were people and organizations affiliated with Gazprom in the case. And the Wagnerites had to do what the people of Belarus did, but earlier.
      Belarusians have little choice, they have to choose between bad and very bad. That model will no longer exist because that model of the economy was based on one person.
      The Russian economy is also not particularly needed in Belarus; during the years of Luka's rule, Russia has created alternative industries for itself. Let us recall, for example, tractors for the Strategic Missile Forces. Russia needs Belarus as a territory, a line of defense for itself. And passionate comments on VO confirm this.
      The Belarusians will not save Luka after all and live in fear. A generation has grown up that does not know the USSR and that have unlearned in the West, which can compare.
      With regards to loans. The question is not about loans, but about the principles of work in the CIS. Our government has been engaged in geopolitics all the time, abandoning Ukraine and Belarus. They counted on an agreement with the local elites; no one wanted to work with the people either with us or there. The money allocated for this was successfully sawed.
      The fellow tribesmen who came to work were treated as slaves - they were underpaid, robbed, pressured by the police - the police, when they applied for medical care - they were forced to pay. All this is known by my family and friends. It was so.
      Opponents worked just at the bottom. At the right time, the thieves elite was either overbought or warned of the consequences, and on the ready-made foundation, the masses began to build their own building.
      Where are the mass anti-rallies in Ukraine and Belarus? There is none of them. Not because people do not come out to defend their president because he has ceased to be his own.
      He ceased to be his own because of his isolation from the people and anti-people policy. This was the case wherever the authorities turned bronze and broke away from the people. This will always be the case, these are the laws of the development of society.
      And we don't have that kind of power?
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 18 August 2020 09: 53 New
        0
        Oh, these storytellers, I have a different point of view. hi
        1. New
          New Year day 18 August 2020 09: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Oh, these storytellers

          It's just that fairy tales come true
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 18 August 2020 11: 38 New
        0
        So why not start up our business for privatization? Look at how the West operates .... even more so there is an example - Ukraine. The land is already being sold. Moreover, there is a danger that the United States will enter this territory militarily.
  • Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 18 August 2020 08: 47 New
    -28
    Come on, Old Man is OK
    The army is better than ours, the Ministry of Internal Affairs is better, there is no corruption, all factories from the times of the USSR have been preserved and are working
    The old man will have the Power for a long time
    What is good from good to seek?
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 18 August 2020 08: 49 New
      +5
      Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
      The army is better than ours, the Ministry of Internal Affairs is better

      Do you judge our army by Roman's articles? laughing
      Tell me, when did the army of independent Belarus take part in the hostilities and where?
      1. Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
        Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 18 August 2020 09: 10 New
        -14
        Our participation is often deplorable, the 81st regiment was killed, the Maikop brigade was killed, the GRU brigade was blown up
        You do not tear your shirt
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 18 August 2020 12: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
          Our participation is often deplorable, the 81st regiment was killed, the Maikop brigade was killed, the GRU brigade was blown up

          You still remember the "Northern War" 1700-1721 and Narva .. fool
      2. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 18 August 2020 10: 13 New
        -2
        Quote: Boris55
        Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
        The army is better than ours, the Ministry of Internal Affairs is better

        Do you judge our army by Roman's articles? laughing
        Tell me, when did the army of independent Belarus take part in the hostilities and where?

        9.08.2020 to 12.08.2020.
        ... and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, not a single employee did his duty, not a single one defended his citizens. They swore to the people ...
    2. lwxx
      lwxx 18 August 2020 08: 51 New
      +3
      Come on, Old Man is OK
      The army is better than ours, the Ministry of Internal Affairs is better, there is no corruption, all factories from the times of the USSR have been preserved and are working
      The old man will have the Power for a long time
      You forgot to put a smiley laughing
    3. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 18 August 2020 08: 56 New
      +3
      Yes, no need to look ... let him rule, only fulfill the plan of integration with the Russian Federation.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 18 August 2020 08: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: Zaurbek
        Yes, no need to look ... let him rule, only fulfill the plan of integration with the Russian Federation.

        After he felt in his own skin all the love of the West, the process of integration can be quite accelerated.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 18 August 2020 09: 02 New
          +3
          NOT a fact .... it depends on how the issue is raised by the authorities in Russia.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 18 August 2020 09: 17 New
            +4
            Quote: Zaurbek
            it depends on how the issue is raised by the authorities in Russia.

            And about the number of Clintonoids in our ranks.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 18 August 2020 09: 20 New
              0
              Anyone ... Lukashenko has left the comfortable zone (and multi-vector) in relations with the Russian Federation. And here it is necessary to put the squeeze on him and make an offer that is difficult to refuse.
        2. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 18 August 2020 09: 19 New
          +1
          Quote: Boris55

          After he felt in his own skin all the love of the West, the process of integration can be quite accelerated.


          No, it will play all the way and delay the end ... laughing
      2. Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
        Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 18 August 2020 09: 12 New
        -14
        What kind of integration? We have corruption
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 18 August 2020 09: 18 New
          +2
          Corruption does not interfere with anything here. Start by introducing a common currency.
          1. Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
            Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 18 August 2020 09: 56 New
            -6
            Even as a hindrance, optimization and privatization, the Belarusians still have tasty and real food, they are reluctant to eat their best condensed milk from Rogachev from Palm oil, but which was planted by the population of Russia by one of the leaders of the country
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 18 August 2020 12: 56 New
              +1
              Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
              Even as a hindrance, optimization and privatization, the Belarusians still have tasty and real food, they are reluctant to eat their best condensed milk from Rogachev from Palm oil, but which was planted by the population of Russia by one of the leaders of the country

              Come on, throw it on the fan, I eat Irbit, everything is in order. You kind of left the Russian Federation, didn't you?
      3. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 18 August 2020 10: 06 New
        +2
        The only way out is integration. But he continues to play as a dictator. Now every word needs to be filtered. And yesterday he blurted out: I can't bend me, not from the West, not from the East. Batka is playing with fire. Belarus has passed the level of the collective farm. The people demand a new sugar pit. Rough, but that's the way it is.
        1. Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
          Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 18 August 2020 10: 18 New
          -7
          Your thoughts are illusions for Belarus, the world has long been accustomed to dancing to the minority, there is no such thing, it will suppress it, roll it up under the asphalt and everything will be OK.
          But they will take an example from Batka, the West is full of tolerance
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 18 August 2020 10: 33 New
            0
            The authorities in the west will always have a loyal person to money bags. If something is slipped to a peasant woman, like the honest beauty Herod raped me. They will attribute hatred of femenism to Baba or the independence of the family. They have a filter in power, be healthy.
          2. Tank hard
            Tank hard 18 August 2020 13: 00 New
            0
            Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
            The West is full of tolerance

            What, they already ban homosexuality and massively deport migrants to Africa and the Middle East ?! Could you please with a reference? wink
      4. Vadim237
        Vadim237 18 August 2020 17: 50 New
        0
        After integration against Russia, sanctions will be imposed worse than those introduced in all 6 years after the annexation of Crimea, be sure they will hit the economy of new Russia very hard and the euro and the dollar will fall to 200 rubles, since there will be big problems with our export supplies to most countries.
  • Operator
    Operator 18 August 2020 08: 47 New
    0
    There are protective mechanisms of the Union State, but they can be used in relation to the Republic of Belarus only at the initiative of its leadership, which is not expected.

    And so everything is correct - it is in the national interests of Russia to destroy the parasitic economy of Belarus with its shovel tractors / trucks, billions of dollars in gas subsidies, smuggling of oil products and foodstuffs (as well as the support of the Bandera on the outskirts, Russia's opposition in the Donbas, South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Syria). Let the Litvinovs feed the EU in the conditions of a pandemic and an economic crisis - like the Outskirts (all the same, NATO is already in the Baltics).
  • Woodman
    Woodman 18 August 2020 08: 48 New
    +2
    Why, for oligarchic capital, with which modern politics is in many ways closely related, what is happening in Belarus is a real gift.

    Somehow the author turns out that it is profitable for the oligarchs ... And why did not find it profitable. Who said that Belarus will fall into the clutches of oligarchs? In my opinion, Belarus will be torn to pieces by Western corporations, but not by the oligarchs of the domestic spill ... Unless the article deals with Belarusian oligarchs (or whoever is there instead of them). These may have certain hopes. And the Russians do not get there. First, there was a mess in the republic, then the next Western sanctions against Russia, then the "Akhressor country" and the rupture of economic ties. There is no room for oligarchs.
    1. ANB
      ANB 18 August 2020 14: 24 New
      0
      ... And the Russians do not get there.

      Shines. Removing competitors.
  • taiga2018
    taiga2018 18 August 2020 08: 48 New
    +5
    I am not an oligarch, but I am also against the salvation of Belarus, after all, they will not appreciate it anyway ... I repeat once again, the Belarusians must drink this cup of pro-Westernism and the related problems to the bottom, otherwise they will not reach them, you cannot help a person. doesn't want to ...
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 18 August 2020 08: 55 New
      +6
      Quote: taiga2018
      I am not an oligarch, but I am also against the salvation of Belarus, because they will not appreciate it anyway ...

      About the price. Tell me, just offhand, what will be cheaper for our budget: rendering assistance to Belarus in establishing constitutional order, or long-term arresting of NATO bases near Smolensk?
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 18 August 2020 09: 03 New
        -1
        Quote: Boris55
        Quote: taiga2018
        I am not an oligarch, but I am also against the salvation of Belarus, because they will not appreciate it anyway ...

        About the price. Tell me, just offhand, what will be cheaper for our budget: rendering assistance to Belarus in establishing constitutional order, or long-term arresting of NATO bases near Smolensk?

        In Czechoslovakia and Hungary they also thought about it. So - the introduction of troops in Riga, Tbilisi, Baku is the result?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 18 August 2020 09: 12 New
          +4
          Quote: Pilat2009
          In Czechoslovakia and Hungary they also thought about it. So - the introduction of troops in Riga, Tbilisi, Baku is the result?

          No one sent troops to Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Riga, Baku and Tbilisi, they were there initially, also. as in the Crimea. The fact that they left us is the result of the treacherous leadership of the USSR.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 18 August 2020 11: 05 New
            -1
            In Czechoslovakia from the second half of the 40s. and until 1968 there were no Soviet troops. And even Gustav Husak, who was considered our protégé, openly said in the 70s that it was possible to solve the problem without bringing in the ATS troops. In general, it is not entirely correct to put the union republics of the USSR and Hungary and Czechoslovakia on the same level.
          2. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 18 August 2020 12: 52 New
            -1
            Quote: Boris55
            Quote: Pilat2009
            In Czechoslovakia and Hungary they also thought about it. So - the introduction of troops in Riga, Tbilisi, Baku is the result?

            No one sent troops to Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Riga, Baku and Tbilisi, they were there initially, also. as in the Crimea. The fact that they left us is the result of the treacherous leadership of the USSR.

            Therefore, they probably love us dearly there.
      2. taiga2018
        taiga2018 18 August 2020 09: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: Boris55
        assistance to Belarus in establishing constitutional order

        God forbid us to do such a thing, then we will just shake it up, set all the citizens of Belarus against ourselves and never pay off ... Now, while the inhabitants of this country do not have such reasons for hatred towards Russia, as in Ukraine. ..So I don't know what will be cheaper ...
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 18 August 2020 09: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: taiga2018
          God forbid us to do this,

          No one has canceled the CSTO obligations. The fact that the war is on a different level does not mean that this is not a war.
          1. taiga2018
            taiga2018 18 August 2020 09: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: Boris55
            No one has canceled the CSTO obligations.

            Well, as far as I understand, the CSTO is for protection from external invasion, and not for suppressing internal protests ... I would not want the Belarusians to have their own "1968" year ...
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 18 August 2020 09: 34 New
              0
              Quote: taiga2018
              Well, as far as I understand, the CSTO is for protection from external invasion, and not for suppressing internal protests ..

              Do you think that Belarus was not attacked? Is this not an open aggression of foreign states against our ally:


              ps
              Hybrid warfare is warfare on all six management priorities.
              1. taiga2018
                taiga2018 18 August 2020 09: 41 New
                +1
                Quote: Boris55
                Do you think that Belarus was not attacked?

                no, they did not attack, at least not in the form when it is necessary to use the CSTO ...
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 19 August 2020 08: 03 New
                  0
                  Quote: taiga2018
                  no, they did not attack, at least not in the form when it is necessary to use the CSTO ...

                  Hybrid war - this war on all six management priorities. The transition to the sixth priority of governance is inevitable if (Lukashenka) the war on the highest priorities of governance is lost. "Cannons are the last argument of kings."

              2. Pilat2009
                Pilat2009 18 August 2020 13: 00 New
                0
                Quote: Boris55
                Quote: taiga2018
                Well, as far as I understand, the CSTO is for protection from external invasion, and not for suppressing internal protests ..

                Do you think that Belarus was not attacked? Is this not an open aggression of foreign states against our ally:


                ps
                Hybrid warfare is warfare on all six management priorities.

                This political technologies work. And this is not aggression. Do not think for the Belarusian people, he will figure it out himself. Better let our fucking think about himself. Otherwise he will draw 85 percent with a fool
  • apro
    apro 18 August 2020 08: 50 New
    0
    Ukraine Russia Belarus one people. One state.
    But .... the victory of capitalism severed us ... monetary interests immediately arose ... and unfortunately they are more important than national kinship human beings. And the beneficiaries are not negotiable by definition ... their babos are always more important.
    Will the Russian capitalists save Belarus ???? very funny ... it will be a completely different country ... or a province ...
    1. EwgenyZ
      EwgenyZ 18 August 2020 09: 46 New
      0
      In the Russian Empire there were neither Ukrainians (as a nation), nor Belarusians (as a nation), or separately Russians. We were all Russians, and then Little Russians, Belarusians and Great Russians. And then came the guardians of the "people's happiness" and divided the Russians into Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians, and sprinkled national republics with their own languages. And you say capitalism.
      1. apro
        apro 18 August 2020 09: 51 New
        0
        Between ri and the USSR there was another state formation ... do not remind me what you did? And the Reds had to put everything back together with weapons in hand.
        1. EwgenyZ
          EwgenyZ 18 August 2020 09: 56 New
          +3
          "I remember", I remember very well, but they did not create the BSSR and the Ukrainian SSR, and did not force the Russians in Kiev, Odessa, Kharkov and Lugansk to learn "Ridna Mova". Although, "so-so" was the state.
          1. apro
            apro 18 August 2020 10: 03 New
            -3
            Quote: EwgenyZ
            "I remember", I remember very well, but they did not create the BSSR and the Ukrainian SSR, and did not force the Russians in Kiev, Odessa, Kharkov and Lugansk to learn "Ridna Mova". Although, "so-so" was the state.

            Yes, they did not create the Ukrainian SSR and the BSSR. But they created the Ukrainian parliament and the Belarusian one. And there were ethnic cleansing too. Read MBulgakov ...
            1. EwgenyZ
              EwgenyZ 18 August 2020 10: 07 New
              0
              All these gladdens appeared from the impotence of the temporary workers in the Winter Palace. And the Bolsheviks were not slobber, and knew how to successfully crush the Natsiks even without the formation of national republics, but they did not want ... or did not plan.
              1. apro
                apro 18 August 2020 10: 10 New
                -1
                Quote: EwgenyZ
                but did not want ... or did not plan.

                They wanted to end the civil war as quickly as possible, so they had to make concessions.
  • Baloo
    Baloo 18 August 2020 08: 50 New
    +7
    The more pressure is put on Lukasescu, the more sympathy I have for him. Indeed, any leader should be of an authoritarian type, professionally trained, and have successful work experience. Razmaznya and authority - for whom will you go into battle? Medvedev and Putin - who do you trust? In fact, who is he the alternative to Lukashenka? Why don't we know about Lukashenka's real competitors who are capable of working more efficiently and effectively? They are??? Think Belarusians, looking back at the path traveled by Kyrgyzstan, Ukraine and others, or even Tribalts, who are now trying to dictate something to you.
  • YOUR
    YOUR 18 August 2020 08: 51 New
    +7
    Still - MAZ, BelAZ, Belaruskali, MZKT, Minsk Tractor, Grodno-Azot, developed refineries - tasty morsels, which are the dream of many to get.

    That's for sure. How else, during the presidency, Medvedev put pressure on Lukashenko to take the MZKT for himself. And not to buy it back, but to take it at some ridiculous price, offset for gas.
    -----
    About the real events in the Republic of Belarus. We must honestly admit that we profiled Ukraine, no matter how the same happened to Belarus. Our western partners are already "having fun" there. So the Polish Internet channel Nexto (Nechta) was formed by two Belarusian bloggers who fled to Poland, they tell in full that, together with the Belarusian OMON, the Russian OMON is working, and with particular cruelty. All the horrors that are told about what is happening are not Belarusian special services, but Russian ones. Russian paratroopers are deploying in Brest, and Russian armored vehicles are crossing the Russian-Belarusian border. And that sadly people believe. And here it is also warming up to us. With a clever look, they tell us how we don't need Belarus.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 18 August 2020 09: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: YOUR
      How else, during the presidency, Medvedev put pressure on Lukashenko to take the MZKT for himself. And not to redeem, but to take it back at some ridiculous price, offset for gas.
      -----


      MZKT is of strategic importance to us. And it was not about taking it for yourself, but becoming his owner. Physically, the plant would not have gone anywhere ...
      1. alone
        alone 18 August 2020 09: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        MZKT is of strategic importance to us. And it was not about taking it for yourself, but becoming his owner. Physically, the plant would not have gone anywhere ...

        What prevents you from building such a plant and producing the products you need yourself?
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 18 August 2020 10: 12 New
          0
          Politics, helped.
          After the 14th year, when the Ukrainians left Russia with several sets of gas turbine units and helicopter engines, it was decided to speed up the work. And here are Platforms 0, Kamaz.


          According to some reports, the platforms have been brought to military trials.
          1. alone
            alone 18 August 2020 10: 19 New
            -2
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Politics, helped.

            Again the policy ... And most of it is useless. Because of several factories and rulers to turn the population against yourself - this is not advisable at all
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 18 August 2020 10: 23 New
              0
              Quote: lonely
              antagonize the population -

              And who told you that the population turned against themselves? Russia, exactly unlike the West and Ukraine, did not interfere in internal affairs. It took a long time to prepare the Maidan in Minsk. "Street infantry" Maydaunskaya acts so well. They understand what they are doing and how.
              1. alone
                alone 18 August 2020 10: 25 New
                0
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                who told you that the population turned against themselves? Russia, exactly unlike the West and Ukraine, did not interfere in internal affairs.

                If you interfere then set up hi
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 18 August 2020 10: 28 New
                  +1
                  You don't understand what's going on there. But I know. I was born and raised there. Friends and relatives remained there ..
                  1. alone
                    alone 18 August 2020 10: 33 New
                    0
                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    You don't understand what's going on there. But I know.

                    Everyone has their own degree of understanding. In such cases, I think that let them figure it out themselves. It's for them to live there, not me and not you (if you are not a citizen of Belarus). Let them choose their own path. If it is wrong, blame it others will not work
                    1. Cyril G ...
                      Cyril G ... 18 August 2020 12: 10 New
                      0
                      Quote: lonely
                      In such cases, I think that let them figure it out themselves. It's for them to live there, not me and not you (if you are not a citizen of Belarus). Let them choose their own path.


                      You think so. And the reality, alas, is different. RB is a buffer between East and West, and that is why it is doomed to be a battlefield, and it is good if only the opposing intelligence services.
        2. g1washntwn
          g1washntwn 18 August 2020 10: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: lonely
          What prevents you from building such a plant and producing the products you need yourself?

          I DO NOT break the rules a little, but you need to answer with quotes alone:
          "If you don't want to work, then ..."
          The import substitution program for MZKT products has been in effect since April 2016. For a relatively easy position (tractors with a carrying capacity of 14 to 40 tons), it has been completed. Under "Platform-O" will be completed in 2023. Under the negative scenario - in 2024-2025. The duration of the program is 8-10 years. As you can understand, the "Platform-O" programs are going hard.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 18 August 2020 12: 01 New
        0
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        MZKT is of strategic importance to us. And it was not about taking it for yourself, but becoming his owner. Physically, the plant would not have gone anywhere ...

        And Luka, in exchange for the MZKT, asked for an oil well.
      3. YOUR
        YOUR 19 August 2020 07: 01 New
        0
        What is the difference between picking yourself up and becoming an owner?
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 August 2020 09: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: YOUR
      With a clever look, they tell us how we don't need Belarus.

      And for some reason, all Western media, radio, TV suddenly began to defend the "enslaved Belarusian people." Well, just brothers, they want well. I listen to the radio, every hour on the news, only "freedom of Belarus" is heard. All of a sudden everyone became kind.
  • Lesorub
    Lesorub 18 August 2020 08: 57 New
    +5
    Why, for oligarchic capital, with which modern politics is also closely connected,

    The oligarch is one of the instruments of influence within the country (as it was in Ukraine) - from the European Union and the United States.
    At the moment, Belarus is probably the only republic that really maintains allied relations with Russia!
  • Moskovit
    Moskovit 18 August 2020 09: 01 New
    +8
    What tidbits are there for oligarchs in Belarus? As I understand it, this is only related to potash fertilizers. All mechanical engineering is not interesting for Western oligarchs, especially since it is mostly focused on Russia. And with Russia Belarus will certainly quarrel. The Russian market will be closed, and the EU market is already overcrowded.
    The EU has money, but on its own. The Baltics have already been promised a 27% cut in subsidies. They slowly begin to tear hair on different parts of the body.
    In general, the people of Belarus need to make the right choice so as not to end up in the fraternal family of European beggars and remember the times of the golden Lukashenka.
  • PValery53
    PValery53 18 August 2020 09: 03 New
    +6
    "And why did many in our country decide that" all Russia "is interested in saving Belarus ..."
    - In Russia there are high-ranking little souls who are not interested in the preservation of Russia!
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 18 August 2020 09: 04 New
    -2
    [Quote] [/ quote]
  • APASUS
    APASUS 18 August 2020 09: 05 New
    +6
    Yes, no one rushes to save Belarus, our oligarchs live by the rules of the West and live there. It becomes a shame to watch when we are accused of interference, but it was our passive position on Ukraine that allowed the West to turn Ukraine over !!
    Belarus is again an example, we have already received warnings, and the West itself is organizing riots there openly. Our guarantor is silent. But surely through the line of the special services he knows who sponsors, who brings to rallies, trains militants in Lithuania and Poland, Ukraine, how then they go to Belarus.
    I would have spoken, smashed this caodlo ......................... but would not say anything.
    1. Runoway
      Runoway 18 August 2020 10: 06 New
      0
      after all, it was our passive position on Ukraine that allowed the West to turn Ukraine over !!

      Putin said "Western partners were deceived, they asked Yanukovych to put pressure on, so that it was softer, but what are they?"
      That is, he deliberately allowed it, yes, of course, he squeezed Crimea beautifully, but the suspended state of the DPR and LPR was not in any frame.
      Similarly, I think Belarus, "people in the know" © and they know the script
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 18 August 2020 10: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: Runoway
        Putin said "Western partners were deceived, they asked Yanukovych to put pressure on, so that it was softer, but what are they?"

        Come on, they deceived. Before that, how many parties were in the country and there was at least one pro-Russian? We just watched the Nazis of all stripes, fed by the West, raise their heads.
        Quote: Runoway
        That is, he deliberately allowed it, but of course, he squeezed the Crimea beautifully,

        Yes, with the Crimea, too, turned out in response to Western inclinations. I think the Americans would not have gathered to occupy the Crimea for their base and nothing happened. And when they began to repair buildings for their headquarters, it got hot.
        Quote: Runoway
        but the suspended state of the DPR and LPR is in no way.

        Yes, the DPR did not do well with the LPR. In fact, Putin turned them into an instrument for putting pressure on Ukraine. This is such a heinous thing - modern politics!
        Quote: Runoway
        Similarly, I think Belarus, "people in the know" © and they know the script

        Now is a unique chance to put the squeeze on the dad and unite the two countries. While he rushes about, he will make concessions.
        1. Runoway
          Runoway 18 August 2020 11: 07 New
          +1
          Now is a unique chance to put the squeeze on the dad and unite the two countries. While he rushes about, he will make concessions.

          Batka is on fire right now, he will agree, but will the Belarusians agree with integration ???
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 18 August 2020 11: 49 New
            +2
            Quote: Runoway
            Batka is on fire right now, he will agree, but will the Belarusians agree with integration ???

            There are about a dozen on the site, you can ask. Of course, you need to do a little analysis, here and there are a lot of smoked
            1. Runoway
              Runoway 18 August 2020 11: 57 New
              0
              They are not stoned, but clearly organized, the information machine works (and wriggles no worse than Michael Bon)
              Another good question, of course, is whether it will be better for Belarusians as part of the Russian Federation? Will their businesses remain. One thing I can say for sure good roads will disappear soon and honest food will be forgotten right away
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 18 August 2020 12: 08 New
                +1
                Quote: Runoway
                Another good question, of course, is whether it will be better for Belarusians as part of the Russian Federation? Will their businesses remain. One thing I can say for sure good roads will disappear soon and honest food will be forgotten right away

                It all depends on many factors, whether it will be a confederation or a complete absorption. After all, they may well remain within the association. Remember the USSR, there the difference between the republics was colossal (economic, technological, cultural areas, the Estonian SSR-Uzbek SSR, for example)
            2. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 18 August 2020 12: 16 New
              +1
              Quote: APASUS
              may I ask.


              Useless. However, I asked. Here is a man working at the MZKT, with both hands for. I asked my sister - she and her husband don't care, the main thing is the standard of living would be preserved. But father, in both cases, they don't like it together.
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 18 August 2020 12: 22 New
                0
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                Quote: APASUS
                may I ask.


                Useless. However, I asked. Here is a man working at the MZKT, with both hands for. I asked my sister - she and her husband don't care, the main thing is the standard of living would be preserved. But father, in both cases, they don't like it together.

                Then the referendum, what would the people choose. Moreover, it is necessary by name under the passport, with the calculation on the Internet, who and for what votes.
                Here again, the subjectivity of the authorities' approach can play a role. How will the authorities put the question: do you want the USSR or Europe?
  • Irek
    Irek 18 August 2020 09: 05 New
    +4
    They do not want a Russian boob, they will get a Javopean pipiska, Ukraine is a living example.
  • Indifferent
    Indifferent 18 August 2020 09: 09 New
    0
    If the people decide to commit suicide, they should not interfere. No matter how you hold him back, he will tell you that he will not do this, but as soon as you let him go, he will immediately jump his head against the wall! But for some reason it seems to me that Lukashenka will hold on to power and will again be spinning in a frying pan with his rotten policy during the new presidential term. And the people? Well people! There are good people there. Young people will be angry, but soon get bored. Everything is determined by the force. If none of them betray Lukashenka, there will be nothing there. Everything will continue as before.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 18 August 2020 09: 10 New
    +2
    It is strange to see what is repeated after Ukraine in Belarus. In the same way, Yanyk rushed between us and Europe, playing along with the Westernizers, our Foreign Ministry watched from the side, grinning, where they would go. And exactly the same thing, for 6 years the Foreign Ministry has not prepared for the events in Belarus. It is interesting when the Europeans come to demolish Putin, of course, together with Russia, he will be ready or simply topple Gorby's memoirs in the USA or Germany from Gorby.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 18 August 2020 09: 13 New
    +5
    Why does someone think that representatives of the oligarchy (and the oligarchy, by and large, is transboundary and transcapitalistic) are tearing their hair out due to the fact that someone in Belarus went on strike, thereby endangering the work of factories, factories, mines , other

    As the worker is in crisis, the capitalist is profit.
    Still - MAZ, BelAZ, Belaruskali, MZKT, Minsk Tractor, Grodno-Azot, developed oil refineries - tasty morsels, which are the dream of many ...

    There is only Belarus in the country. Potassium brings steady profits, and two large refineries, but you need to have enough raw materials ... That's all.
    All the technological and machine-building giants of the Soviet era are already pretty outdated and lagged behind world grants. Colossal investments are needed to bring the same MAZ or MTZ to the world level. No one will invest in it. All will be handed over for scrap and the land will be bought. That is all the further development of the industry of Belarus in the capitalist world. Lukashenka is carefully postponing this end, without him everyone will be torn apart in two or three years ...
  • parusnik
    parusnik 18 August 2020 09: 20 New
    +6
    If you evaluate the events in Belarus, business and nothing personal .. The people are a bargaining chip .. If you look like this, judging by the slogans of the protesters, they want nothing but "Get out" .. Like, leave, but leave everything as before .. But so does not happen ... Those who pull the strings, hide their real intentions .. Understand, announce it and everything will end, the people will sober up ... At the expense of the Russian oligarchs, and will they be allowed to profit if the government changes ..
    1. ANB
      ANB 18 August 2020 14: 29 New
      0
      ... Like, go away, but leave everything the same ..

      No, add your salary and leave.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 18 August 2020 09: 31 New
    +3
    The victory of democracy - "a voucher in the teeth" - and forward ... Into the bright future of the all-consuming market, where you can take "two Volga" in your arms without a car loan ...
    Nicely said "voucher in the teeth", and the end of democracy. All the countries of the former USSR and Eastern Europe have already gone through this, and even began to forget what "privatization" is. But in Belarus, somehow everything passed by this privatization, maybe thanks to the dad. But a person is always gnawed by one thought that devours everything in him, both sacred and human and spiritual, it is like a woodworm worm, constantly gnaws - and they call it "freebie". How I want this fabulous "freebie", her own, and let it slip between the fingers of others, but from me it will not leave. Nobody in Belarus saw how she slipped past 14 republics, according to V. Vysotsky "they wear chacha past the company, cherry plum past their nose." If you guys want it, you will get it in full, we have already passed all the queue for you. Some of us (countries) somehow got out, some of us at the expense of Western freebies, and most are dragging out a miserable existence. I would like to ask, to which of these points do you want to join, "the last of their Mohicans"?
  • svoit
    svoit 18 August 2020 09: 34 New
    -1
    Quote: Doccor18
    without him, everyone will be torn apart in two or three years ...

    That is, it turns out that Russia does not have a suitable candidate for the presidency in Belarus? Although 6 years have passed since the Ukrainian Maidan, and history has not taught anything, it's a pity. Lukashenka can only be advised to hold a referendum on joining Russia, or if he doesn't want to, then hold it himself
    1. Russia without ...
      Russia without ... 18 August 2020 09: 51 New
      -6
      Apparently, the history with Ukraine did not teach you anything
    2. Fibrizio
      Fibrizio 18 August 2020 10: 11 New
      0
      It would be nice if they had a Belarusian candidate. Why do they need Russian? Do we really want an American presidential candidate in the next election? And we offer others such "external management".
      1. Russia without ...
        Russia without ... 18 August 2020 10: 21 New
        -3
        Comments, of course .. * They need them this way, they need them that way, and if they are not so, then we have them over the knee "..
        I'm talking phantom pains ..
        They do not understand that it has been an independent state for 30 years.
  • Russia without ...
    Russia without ... 18 August 2020 09: 37 New
    -3
    Imperial phantom pain
  • Galleon
    Galleon 18 August 2020 09: 43 New
    0
    This is the correct article. The main thing. By the way, and that Belarusians should not accept help in such a volume, followed by addiction. They now need good economists to calculate future steps to preserve their economy.
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 18 August 2020 10: 03 New
      +3
      Where will economists come from in this current mess when it comes to virtual things such as self-esteem, human rights, and so on? In such a situation, the people leave the mind and emotions float to the surface.
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 18 August 2020 16: 34 New
        0
        Tomaso, the people may experience emotion, euphoria, catharsis or frustration - whatever. But decision makers must prepare - not think, but prepare the future - take strategic steps and build laws. I spoke about these actions.
        1. Campanella
          Campanella 18 August 2020 17: 46 New
          0
          Are you talking about Lukashenka or what?
          They will not be able to preserve the economy without Russia. And Russia is already in a difficult situation and the eternal threat of the withdrawal of its last allies.
          The optimal would be a tight union, this would allow Russia to deal with the economy more calmly with the benefit of all brothers. But the West is actively thinning the ranks of our allies, convincing them that happiness lies in independence, which, as you understand, does not exist.
    2. Fibrizio
      Fibrizio 18 August 2020 10: 09 New
      -1
      Such steps are always unpleasant and imply the termination of dating of unpromising industries, cutting off the social network, optimizing costs in order to balance the budget and find money for projects that will then bring income.
      It's like a hangover after a booze called "imitation of the market economy"
  • Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 18 August 2020 09: 43 New
    +2
    Why, for oligarchic capital, with which modern politics is in many ways closely related, what is happening in Belarus is a real gift.

    Only yesterday I wrote about the same thing. winked But the people are eager to help squeeze out the oligarchy, no matter whose nationality it turns out to be in the end, all the tidbits of the state. property. And then according to the written: ... "Well, 30 million will die out, they did not fit into the new reality" fellow

    Unfortunately, Russia loses after the Baltic states, Georgia, Armenia and Belarus - the next, the last republic of the former USSR in the southwest direction.


    Russia lost these republics, or rather surrendered to the West, when it declared its independence from these very republics by a declaration on June 12, 1990 at the 1st Congress of People's Deputies of the RSFSR.
    Now the Belarusians have a choice without a choice, with which sharks of capitalism "to be friends" further, Russian or European, which differ little from each other.
    The events in Belarus look like another redistribution of a tasty morsel of former Soviet property in favor of a stronger player of the same capitalist system.
    1. Russia without ...
      Russia without ... 18 August 2020 09: 49 New
      -4
      <<< Now the Belarusians have a choice without a choice, with which sharks of capitalism "to be friends" further >>>
      What kind of Belarusians do you mean ..
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 18 August 2020 10: 28 New
        +3
        Quote: Russia without ...
        What kind of Belarusians do you mean ..

        Those who live in Belarus and who are still working there.
  • Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 18 August 2020 09: 58 New
    -2
    Smart and thoughtful article! good
  • Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 18 August 2020 10: 06 New
    0
    With the Republic of Belarus, which was on subsidies, what will happen to the Russian Federation after perestroika, but in miniature, without the dashing 90s, but with "optimization". Those enterprises where there is a positive balance for the reporting periods will survive. Those who are profitable and in demand will continue to live, and those who were kept "in order to be" will of course be put under the knife.
    You cannot produce galoshes without focusing on the market.
    So at least be privatized, at least remain under state control, and the real sector of the economy of the Republic of Belarus will come to the main denominator, profitability.
    And this is probably a natural process, the state can support such "communism" only when there is extra money, and take it off from Lukashenka and everything is tighter. So if not now, then in 5-10 years all these factories would be closed without buyers.
  • fif21
    fif21 18 August 2020 10: 11 New
    +3
    Russia is fighting not for the salvation of Belarus, but for its own salvation! Who needs a hostile neighbor? But if the West, when giving money, puts forward various conditions (we already went through this in 90), then Russia does not put forward additional requirements, except for one - loyalty to Moscow. (Maybe this is stupid, but this is so) And Lukashenka's position is to sit down on something and to eat a fish, irritates Russian industrialists (Uralkali, for example), and constant curtsies of the "father" towards the west (a hole in Russian anti-sanctions, not recognizing Crimea ...) irritates the political elite of Russia. But in Russia they still tolerate him, but the Pshek, Ukrainians, Belarus at gunpoint, they need a 100% loyal politician, a puppet. Therefore, the RF will not be able to sit on the sidelines. And if Lukashenko (within the framework of the CSTO and the union state) asks to bring "little green men" into Belarus, they will be brought in, despite the demands and threats of the West. It's my opinion . hi
    1. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 18 August 2020 12: 58 New
      -1
      Quote: fif21
      That Russia does not put forward additional demands, except for one thing - loyalty to Moscow.

      Are you seriously? belay And who forced Lukashenka to sell Beltransgaz to Gazprom?
      On November 25, 2011, Gazprom acquired the remaining 50% of Beltransgaz shares and became its owner.
      This could be understood within the framework of the integration of the two countries, but at the same time are you sure that Gazprom is a state-owned company? lol Judging by the way the Russian Government is begging for an increase in dividends to Gazprom shareholders to replenish its budget, then no, not everything is so simple. lol
    2. pro100y.belarus
      pro100y.belarus 18 August 2020 21: 51 New
      -1
      Quote: fif21
      Russia is fighting not for the salvation of Belarus, but for its own salvation!

      And here is the key phrase. Why write a lot of letters, invent texts and be a hypocrite.
      Everything is short and clear here.
  • Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 18 August 2020 10: 14 New
    -1
    Quote: svoit
    Lukashenka can only be advised to hold a referendum on joining Russia, or if he doesn't want to, then hold it himself

    To carry out the occupation of a sovereign state under the “salvation” bottleneck? Only Belarusians are not Ukrainians, their soldiers will not watch from behind the fences of military units as our tanks drive through their country.
    1. Russia without ...
      Russia without ... 18 August 2020 10: 23 New
      -3
      + Ukrainians will help ..
      It is impossible to think of a better gift for all Western-minded
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 18 August 2020 10: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Fibrizio
      As long as Belarusians are not Ukrainians, their soldiers from behind the fences of military units will not watch as our tanks go through their country.


      Why do you think so? You are generally aware of how Luke was just the military spread rot throughout his era. The salaries of the cops are much higher than that of the Ministry of Defense.
      1. Fibrizio
        Fibrizio 18 August 2020 10: 29 New
        -3
        And this is a reason to sit back when your homeland is invaded and invaded by occupation troops? Then the Russian military in Chechnya had to refuse to fight at all.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 18 August 2020 10: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: Fibrizio
          And this is a reason to sit back when your homeland is invaded and invaded by occupation troops?


          There will be Crimea-14, if it comes to that, which I certainly doubt. It is possible to solve problems without it. In general, the CSTO protocol provides for military intervention only in case of intervention
          1. Fibrizio
            Fibrizio 18 August 2020 10: 31 New
            -3
            And how will we transport our goods? By sea? Against this background, we will no longer have a land border with Europe.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 18 August 2020 12: 07 New
              +2
              If you were trying to joke, you shouldn't have been right. This is exactly why the grandiose terminals of Ust-Luga were built
              1. Fibrizio
                Fibrizio 18 August 2020 12: 23 New
                0
                By the way, I was a lawyer for the state customer during the construction of Ust-Luga. This is all great, but they also carry trucks if you didn't know. It's faster and cheaper this way. And to lose the land corridor is really scary.
    3. K-612-O
      K-612-O 18 August 2020 10: 31 New
      +3
      That's right, they'll join them. And where did you find our tanks and our troops on your outskirts.
  • bar
    bar 18 August 2020 10: 14 New
    +2
    And why did many in our country decide that "all of Russia" is interested in saving Belarus ...

    Those marginals who are interested in the breakup of Belarus with Russia, even at the cost of a complete collapse of the economy of Belarus, I would not name "by many in our country. "Much honor ...
    1. Fibrizio
      Fibrizio 18 August 2020 10: 18 New
      -1
      "Who doesn't jump that marginal"? And who does not support the dictatorship wants to sever deep relations! ?? Well, the logic.
      1. bar
        bar 18 August 2020 10: 54 New
        +1
        "Who doesn't jump that marginal"? And who does not support the dictatorship wants to sever deep relations! ?? Well, the logic.

        You don’t download, but support the severance of diplomatic relations with Belarus? Did I understand your logic correctly? recourse
        1. Fibrizio
          Fibrizio 18 August 2020 10: 59 New
          -1
          No, you just claim that everyone who supports protests against rigged elections is marginalized and wants to break off relations. I brought the "hyperbole" to your judgments.

          No, I believe that the breakdown of relations will be in the event that we behave aggressively as in Ukraine. The break with it (for the most part) is connected with the Crimea and our project to divert attention from the Crimea and the creation of the LPR and DPR, if it were not for this, the politicians would be buzzing, trade would go on as usual.

          So I am for not interfering in the affairs of a sovereign state. And then there will be no break.
          1. bar
            bar 18 August 2020 11: 02 New
            0
            Apparently, we misunderstood each other, or I expressed my thought crookedly. I fully support your point of view, and my numerous comments on this site confirm this. drinks
            1. Fibrizio
              Fibrizio 18 August 2020 11: 05 New
              -1
              Although I do not exclude that relations after the overthrow of the regime will become commercial, which may not be so bad if the Republic of Belarus does not let NATO troops into its territory. As for the open border for citizens, it's nice of course, but no one will die from customs control.
              It's like visa-free travel for Ukrainians to Europe. The thing is good (for me, work 6k paid for a visa and insurance), but you can survive without it.
  • K-612-O
    K-612-O 18 August 2020 10: 27 New
    +1
    Sorry, of course, but the article is stream of consciousness, a la Platoshkin.
    A pile of agitprop, without knowing the issue and how the economy works.
    Our so-called. In the event of a coup, the Poles and Germans will not allow the "oligarchs", as well as the Ukrainians, to get a cannon shot from Belarus. And the only serious blow to us will be the loss of Integral.
  • 1536
    1536 18 August 2020 10: 58 New
    0
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Of course, the Russian authorities overlooked ... they dated the economy of Belarus (and Ukraine and Armenia) and did not ensure the promotion of their interests.

    Russia dated the economy of a neighboring country, and the European Union brought up its young people who do not need this economy at all? You can't figure it out on purpose. It is somewhat reminiscent of the construction of SP-2 and invoicing for the "use" of the Eternal Fire of the Rybinsk city administration.
  • Moskal 55
    Moskal 55 18 August 2020 10: 59 New
    0
    If we judge by the number of people who are against the Maidan in Belarus in Russia, then almost all of Russia is against, and if by the capital of those who are against and those who are for ...
  • g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 18 August 2020 11: 02 New
    0
    Democracy is the fig leaf of capitalism. The war between groups is far from over and the current situation is still there, you are either with "them" or with "us". Friend or foe. Black or white. Multiculturalism and so on from globalization does not even imply shades of gray, everything that is not in the paradigm of the chosen direction must be either assimilated or destroyed. American Indians and modern economic neo-colonialism as examples of the second and the first, respectively. If you have not chosen your group, the most aggressive group will accept you into its sect by force, Maidan technologies and information war are just not such overt instruments as war, but they still have the same meaning - ideological and economic occupation. The fact that the social idea has lost "merit" is exclusively the wrongly chosen strategy of isolation from the West. Therefore, they did not pull economically, and ideologically were blown away.
    Now playing with the same cards as the West, we are trying to bring down their play on their own field by their own rules. And the essence is still the same - the redistribution of resources and who you will be joining "there" or "vice versa" depends on the vision of the game strategy. You either pass and agree to give the last kidney to the scammers or an equal partner in the game ...
  • Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 18 August 2020 11: 29 New
    0
    They know how to put a shadow on the fence, to press oligarchs, to rob, who did not have time to escape. The point is the statesmen responsible for promoting the country's interests in the post-Soviet space, their work can be assessed either as negligence or as betrayal.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 18 August 2020 11: 35 New
    +1
    And why look - a separate state, de jure "kind of" our ally, de facto an economically tied to us separate authoritarian state with nationalist tendencies and very different from our foreign policy (often the opposite).
    All our games in the union state have been trampled in place for many years, Belarusian propagandists and the leader are increasingly turning the arrows on Russia - all this seems to say no, we should not "overlook". We have been living in separate apartments for a long time, only the kitchen is shared.
  • jncnfdybr
    jncnfdybr 18 August 2020 11: 36 New
    0
    The family has its black sheep.) And Russia is full of those who look to the west with lust.)
    1. Fibrizio
      Fibrizio 18 August 2020 15: 18 New
      0
      Or in the past laughing
      1. jncnfdybr
        jncnfdybr 19 August 2020 10: 41 New
        0
        and what was bad in the past. Are you so young that you don't know?
        1. Fibrizio
          Fibrizio 20 August 2020 10: 06 New
          +1
          On my street (and in Moscow) there were two-story wooden barracks. Now no one lives in such (they demolished, thank God). And they were built under Stalin. The conditions there were terrible (the fact that there was no hot water, I guess they guessed) And the people lived there in a corridor communal apartment. Thank God there is no such thing now.
          This is the first thing that came to mind.
          So I don't know what was better there before. Who works and earns better now. I strongly doubt that I would have a standard of living higher than now.
          But minus one is true, before full-day nursery groups were for small children, but now it is not clear what to do with the child (now I am racking my head, my wife has to go to work), apparently we will hire a nanny ... And this is 60 rubles (F-pity ), earlier in this regard it was better.
  • iouris
    iouris 18 August 2020 11: 43 New
    0
    “All Russia” should be saved, not Belarus.
  • made13
    made13 18 August 2020 11: 53 New
    0
    It is important to do everything for yourself, to solve your problems. And the Belarusians themselves will figure out what they need. There are special services, the state apparatus, Putin. Let them play games. Our brothers are both Ukrainians and Belarusians. But if my brother keeps making the same mistakes, then I will sympathize with him. I will help, maybe once or twice, but constantly drag other people's problems on yourself? There are enough of our own.
  • Sofa
    Sofa 18 August 2020 12: 08 New
    +1
    All Soviet republics are lured by life in the west in Europe, Russia in this sense has nothing special to show small salaries and pensions, the difference between the rich and the poor is enormous, Russia should become an example for the republics to be equal to it, namely to raise the standard of living in the country and build its own independent the economy is the only way we will be attractive to others. In the post-Soviet space, we have practically no allies only on paper, even Armenia, and that flirts with the West.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 18 August 2020 13: 57 New
    +1
    > But why does not Russia do it?!?!

    Russia does not interfere in the internal affairs of sovereign states.
    1. Fibrizio
      Fibrizio 18 August 2020 15: 20 New
      0
      In Ukraine it intervened, in Syria it intervened in Ossetia it intervened so that our troops crossed the Georgian border.
      So he interferes in another way, and not even diplomatically.
    2. iouris
      iouris 18 August 2020 15: 32 New
      0
      The concept of "saving Belarus" leads the discussion aside, and it is possible and necessary to interfere in the internal affairs of "sovereign" states if they make it very unprofitable or very dangerous for you. Belarus is integrated with the Russian Federation, strictly speaking, the Russian Federation and Belarus are Russia, therefore all neighbors here have a great geopolitical interest. This is a war, and losing a war is highly unprofitable and very dangerous.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 18 August 2020 14: 13 New
    0
    Polite people must be earned. So come on yourself, you walked long to today, which is laughing Belarus has options, one is worse than the other. I consider the "old man" humble, deluxe and tyrant, and even flirting with the Nazis.) Although before it seemed like nothing was probably young himself laughing ... The problems of Belarus have a great chance to become the problems of Russia.
    1. pro100y.belarus
      pro100y.belarus 18 August 2020 22: 02 New
      -3
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      "Old Man" I think is humble, selyuk and tyrant, and even flirting with the Nazis.) Although before it was like nothing was probably young himself.

      Exactly. Geopolitics on the drum. Zadolbal Hamlo, Selyuk and tyrant.
      And if he jumped in time, then a monument would be erected to him in due time, and the streets would be named after him.
      An example is the capital of Kazakhstan, Nur-Sultan.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 18 August 2020 14: 25 New
    +1
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Of course, the Russian authorities overlooked ... they dated the economy of Belarus (and Ukraine and Armenia) and did not ensure the promotion of their interests.

    To subsidize Luka, Yanukovych or the people? laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 18 August 2020 14: 32 New
    0
    Pluses of non-alignment.
    1. The similarity of the economy. By finishing it off, certain Russian sectors will greatly benefit. Three pillars of the Belarusian economy: subsidized agriculture - a competitor to the Russian agricultural sector, potash fertilizers - a direct competitor to Russian fertilizers, processing of Russian oil and the sale of refined products to the west - a competitor to Russian refineries. And every little thing, MAZ plant is a competitor to KAMAZ, Belarusian refrigerators and washing machines are competitors to Russian enterprises. The gas pipeline has already been bought out by Gazprom. The Druzhba oil pipeline can be shut off (when it gets dirty, the ports of Russia did an excellent job), if the refineries are not sold to Russian companies, let them wither like the Lithuanian Mazeikiai or empty Ukrainian refineries. Everything else can be finished off.
    2. With privatization and optimization, most of the state-owned enterprises can go to Russian entrepreneurs for next to nothing.
    3. All the cones of the new perestroika, and bringing the population to the Ukrainian level, can be blamed on the EU and its representatives Poland and Lithuania.

    Cons of non-alignment.
    1. The fate of military bases. In fact, there are no Russian military bases on the territory of the Republic of Belarus. There are 2 military objects: the 43rd communications center of the Russian Navy "Vileika" (350 people) and the radar station "Baranovichi" (2000 people) Lukashenko did not allow Russia to have military bases on the territory of the Republic of Belarus. We had such an ally.
    2. The status of the CSTO. Nothing, except for the hemorrhoids of Russia, did not help. It was Russia who was supposed to defend Belarus, on the contrary, in no way.
    3. NATO bases near Smolensk. So there are already a lot of them in the Baltics. And this is a headache for NATO, which cannot protect them in any way. Even if RB joins NATO, which is incredible. That maximum advance will be 100-200 km in comparison with Lithuania.

    Some will of course say, why didn't they create pro-Russian parties before? So, Lukashenka cleaned everything up, there are no political parties in Belarus, there is a complete emptiness, as during the occupation. Belarus 2020 is a unique country in which there is only one "front line" Power and people and there are no opportunities for political games.

    Maybe someone will add their pluses and minuses.
    1. minipig79
      minipig79 19 August 2020 12: 54 New
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      Yes, in principle, you described correctly. We don't have any parties. There is only Lukashenka & Sons and a snuggle with strong clubs. I don't quite understand why the modernized refineries should be destroyed. If it is more logical to buy them and use them for their intended purpose. Refinery modernization is a wildly costly thing with a billion injections.