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Ukraine itself has to take out the contracted BMP-1 from Poland: bailiffs are attracted to help

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The Ukrainian state-owned company Ukrspetsexport claims that it has won a legal battle against a Polish supplier of military equipment. The case concerned 93 BMP-1 units ordered by Ukraine from the Polish private company Wtorplast.


The contract was signed in 2016. On the basis of the contract, the Ukrainian side transferred $ 9 million to the Polish company as an advance for the delivery of 50 armored vehicles from Poland within two years. However, the Polish company was able to deliver only 20 BMP-1.

As a result, the contract was overdue. Moreover, the Ukrainian side also has to independently try to take out of Poland those infantry fighting vehicles that are available from Wtorplast in a "finished form".

Representatives of Ukrspetsexport appealed to the Polish court, as reported by the head of the legal department of the Ukrainian company Yuriy Dodula.

In the course of clarifying the circumstances, based on which the Poles did not transfer all the contracted armored vehicles to Ukraine, it turned out that the Polish company was going to change the cost of the contract. In addition, it turned out that part of the BMP-1 was sent to the Czech Republic "for replenishment." It was from the Czech Republic that they were imported to Poland, where they carried out certain repairs and sold them to Ukraine. But also with the repair, as you can see, there were problems due to the banal shortage of spare parts.

The Polish company refused to voluntarily transfer the available BMP-1 to Ukraine. To solve this problem, Polish bailiffs were involved. With their help, 26 BMP-1s were confiscated from a Polish company. Now this armored vehicle is sent to Ukraine on platforms.
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  1. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 18 August 2020 07: 16
    18
    Wtorplast is not a case of "Recyclable"? Skakuas equip "Europe's strongest army" with decommissioned scrap metal. That's where they go.
    1. Civil
      Civil 18 August 2020 08: 03
      +7
      And sho, let them harness the oxen and drag them by the drag at Kyev.
      1. Dmitry Donskoy
        Dmitry Donskoy 18 August 2020 08: 29
        +1
        Why such a long way in purchasing scrap metal? Is it possible that in Ukraine itself there is no conservation of this equipment? Or is it just cutting the dough? hi
        1. Mytholog
          Mytholog 18 August 2020 09: 10
          +4
          Quote: Dmitry Donskoy
          Why such a long way in purchasing scrap metal?
          If my memory serves me, these BMPs generally have a very long history. The GDR bought them first. Then, after the merger of Germany, Sweden bought them, modernized, refused. Bought by the Czechs. Now, here, through Poland, old men are dragged to Ukraine. Some, with a high degree of probability, will also fight against Ukraine. And even after that their story is unlikely to end.
        2. Romka47
          Romka47 18 August 2020 16: 49
          +1
          Why such a long way in purchasing scrap metal?
          I completely agree with you, it's easier to send a couple of Donetsk grenade launchers "there" and burn everything on the spot)
        3. sen
          sen 19 August 2020 06: 12
          +1
          The question is, what will they do with them next? Leave as is or remake. For example, they will put a tower from the BTR-4.
    2. g1v2
      g1v2 18 August 2020 14: 37
      +4
      In fact, this is a good option for the APU. BMP is not produced there. The BMP losses in the years 14-15 were enormous. If they repaired damaged tanks and returned them to units, then light armor, as a rule, burned only in years. PM in the APU serious shortage of bpm. The mechanized battalion needs 31 BMPs. On the mechanized brigade - in the area of ​​a hundred. Due to the lack of BMPs, they had new brigades on what they did not go - on armored personnel carriers, brdm2, mtlb, various police armored cars and even on shushpantsiry. It is bad with bmp2 in Europe, but bmp1 still remains where it is - so the Ukrainians are buying them out.
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 18 August 2020 07: 18
    -1
    ! Even the Poles were cheated! Although those in Europe are considered almost the main rascals and - hucksters!
    Hmm ... Looks like a generation of good lawyers has grown up in Ukraine.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 18 August 2020 07: 29
      +2
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      ! Even the Poles were cheated!

      At one time, before "08.08.08" (under Yushchenko), the Outskirts put Georgia, if memory serves, order forty two BMP, of which forty at the nearest Georgian maneuvers they "stood up".

      There was a scandal ...
      1. Senka naughty
        Senka naughty 18 August 2020 14: 21
        0
        At one time, before "08.08.08" (under Yushchenko), the Outskirts supplied Georgia, if memory serves, about forty-two infantry fighting vehicles, of which forty "stood up" at the next Georgian maneuvers.

        There was a scandal ...


      2. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 18 August 2020 18: 57
        +2
        Quote: Insurgent
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        ! Even the Poles were cheated!

        At one time, before "08.08.08" (under Yushchenko), the Outskirts put Georgia, if memory serves, order forty two BMP, of which forty at the nearest Georgian maneuvers they "stood up".

        There was a scandal ...

        Our military, after taking trophies from the Georgians T-72 delivered from Ukraine, noted that the tanks were in good condition and modernized in their minds.
        Demonstrations of tanks in the pits and comments of the military from filming inside the tanks went on TV.
    2. Mitroha
      Mitroha 18 August 2020 07: 32
      +9
      Even Poles were cheated

      You and I have probably read different news.
      The Polish company refused to voluntarily transfer the available BMP-1 to Ukraine. To solve this problem, Polish bailiffs were involved. With their help, 26 BMP-1

      $ 9000000 for 50 cars in 2 years, we received 20, another 26 only after 4 years and the trial, take out at our own expense. So they cheated up so cheated .. smile
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 18 August 2020 07: 39
        -18 qualifying.
        Look ahead!
        If they even shod Gazprom in international courts, then roll out this "vtorplast" so that the Poles will pay extra for all the penalties and will apologize preliminarily with a request "to understand and forgive"!))
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 18 August 2020 07: 44
          +7
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Look ahead!
          If they even shod Gazprom in international courts

          Is it really "shod"? And independently, and not within the framework of a coordinated global attack on Gazprom, in view of the SP-2?
          1. da Vinci
            da Vinci 18 August 2020 08: 23
            -2
            Whether within the framework or not, the managers of Gazprom got their gesheft anyway.
      2. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 18 August 2020 09: 33
        0
        Yes, 200 thousand dollars per car. This is somewhat cheaper than the market price.
        1. Alex_You
          Alex_You 18 August 2020 09: 41
          -1
          In any case, it is still more expensive than letting it go for scrap. Poland and the Czech Republic are actively changing Soviet equipment for NATO, and there is nowhere to put the old cars. In any case, they bought it well.
          1. Fibrizio
            Fibrizio 18 August 2020 10: 27
            0
            Well, do not forget, if they sued the cars, then they will also receive a% for the delay, so there will be a cash back. =)
  3. Ros 56
    Ros 56 18 August 2020 07: 26
    +6
    The caterpillars are in place, otherwise they will have to be pushed. laughing Banderlog probably thought they were the only crooks, but no, the Poles are exactly the same.
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 18 August 2020 07: 48
    +1
    The Polish company turned out to be an ordinary buy-and-sell sharashka. They search for metal, repair, paint, sell. Business, nothing personal ..
  5. Cowbra
    Cowbra 18 August 2020 07: 54
    -2
    Chernobyl BMP ran out, you see)
  6. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 18 August 2020 07: 56
    0
    In addition, it turned out that part of the BMP-1 was sent to the Czech Republic "for replenishment." It was from the Czech Republic that they were imported to Poland, where they carried out certain repairs and sold them to Ukraine.
    belay European civilized business. recourseAnd we, savages, are all ourselves, yes ourselves. crying We are far away from the Ruins, as before the Maidan ... request
  7. V1er
    V1er 18 August 2020 07: 58
    +4
    Get used to it, Ukrainians. Pane will always behave this way. They do not consider you for people, never Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Kazakhs and other nationalities of the USSR, they will not consider you for the West as people, you are untermensch for them. This ideology has not disappeared anywhere; it has permeated the entire politics and economy of the West.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 18 August 2020 08: 02
      0
      Quote: V1er
      Get used to it, Ukrainians. Pane will always behave this way. They don't consider you human.

      The familiar address from the history of relations between "Great Poland" and Little Russia is "Khlop" (slave) ...
      1. truck driver
        truck driver 18 August 2020 09: 29
        -4
        This is how you were taught in school, in fact, clap is a widely used word in Poland and Southeast Europe. Regarding the Untermensch, the brains of the Soviet propaganda are so badly soiled that any crooked word aside is acceptable for me in Europe, and I'm a trucker, is unrealistic in principle, because Europeans are very afraid of accusations of Nazism and intolerance.
        The people gathered here, basically, think in the clichés of the Cold War and cannot rebuild in any way, they gathered on this site and found an outlet in their co-religionists. It's time to wake up, people in Europe work and live in peace. That you scare yourself all the time, stop being afraid, first, make a decent standard of living in Russia in order to catch up, at least with Poland, and only then can you tell something about Europeans, you are up to Europe - yak to neba crustaceans ... ( like cancer to the sky).
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 18 August 2020 09: 35
          +1
          Quote: LKW Fahrer
          This is how you were taught in school, in fact, clap is a widely used word in Poland and Southeast Europe.

          KANESHNA ... "You don't understand everything, everything is wrong,you are not the same, not there, and the wrong thing was taught"...

          Tomuand there... And I am personally proud and happy that I managed to get a decent education not in Bandera dill, but in Soviet Ukraine.
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 18 August 2020 09: 38
            -1
            I beg your pardon, but sometimes, according to your frank comments, it seems that you did not receive education, at least in the culture of communication ...
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 18 August 2020 09: 55
              +4
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              I beg your pardon, but sometimes, according to your frank comments, it seems that you did not receive education, at least in the culture of communication ...

              To forgive you, as an interlocutor fostered on the outskirts according to the farm, khataskraynic method?

              Well,let's say excuse me ... what will it change?
              It will be understood (?) That the author of the comment truck driver initially behaved in a boorish way, writing: "you to Europe - yak to neba crustaceans ... (like cancer to the sky).", for which he received a" response "...

              Here now sorry me yes I do not intend to stand on ceremony with such attacks No.
              1. Crimean partisan 1974
                Crimean partisan 1974 18 August 2020 11: 03
                +2
                I don't intend to stand on ceremony with such attacks ....... pralna. when the opponent doesn’t cover something, it begins "" according to the culture of communication, "". " Learn Russian language". "your grammar is not the same" and other flood ... but on the topic zero ..... that is. if we return to our rams, then what is in the end on the topic ..... BMP-1 .... tin .... using analogies for the repair of the T-72A ukroboronservice, more than half did not pass the tests, and the one that passed the generals themselves from her they are pushed aside, with the BMP-1 it will be too ... that is, everyone survives as best he can, depending on the hierarchy ... and it plays into our hands
          2. truck driver
            truck driver 18 August 2020 17: 19
            0
            I also studied at a "Russian" school in Kiev in Soviet times, my post was not specifically for you, but for all the pensioners frozen in Soviet times on the site who think in clichés about slaves, colonialists who do not even know how people live in Europe and what they have worries. They all dream of war and oppression of the working class. It seems that the training manual is so ingrained in their heads that they think so.
        2. Kurare
          Kurare 18 August 2020 09: 51
          +1
          Quote: LKW Fahrer
          The people gathered here, basically, think in the clichés of the Cold War and cannot rebuild in any way, they gathered on this site and found an outlet in their co-religionists.

          It is precisely here that people, in general, have long abandoned the clichés of the Cold War and do not understand the logic of the "peace-loving" Poles. And if you don't like it here, don't go.
          Quote: LKW Fahrer
          That you scare yourself all the time, stop being afraid, first, make a decent standard of living in Russia to catch up, at least with Poland ...

          Thank you for making me laugh! laughing
          Quote: LKW Fahrer
          ... to you to Europe - yak to neba crustaceans ... (like cancer to the sky).

          So crawl on your LKW ... not for the first time to you, who dug the Black Sea!
          1. truck driver
            truck driver 18 August 2020 17: 27
            0
            Don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where to go ...
            And so everything is wonderful with you, of course. Import substitution, living standards, friends around, have you erected a fence around yourself and think from a position of strength to make you reckon with?
            We captured Crimea and Donbass, and you think why the Ukrainians hate us, but we saved them from the Nazis, we shouldn't have stopped halfway. Now you have got an enemy in the face of all of Ukraine, I do not consider the stubborn and Natsik / Banderaites.
        3. V1er
          V1er 18 August 2020 10: 18
          -1
          In any human act, one must see a motive. The motive to turn Ukraine and Belarus against Russia, this motive is quite obvious. But what will become of you all when Russia plunges into a civil war? When will Poland and the Baltics not be needed for NATO to confront Russia? Do you sincerely believe that you will be left alone and allowed to live a beautiful life at the expense of millions of Russian deaths? Don't be naive, you are destined for the fate of China in 1840 (the opium wars).
    2. alpamys
      alpamys 18 August 2020 10: 14
      -7
      They do not consider you for people, never Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Kazakhs and other nationalities of the USSR, they will not consider you as people for the West, you are untermensch for them

      this is a lie, it was not then ROA, or Slovak, Bulgarian units in the Wehrmacht, and you can also read a book (available in Russian) for the leadership of the 3rd Reich and the SS from 1940, called "SSovets and the question of blood" where it is said that Russians are considered representatives Nordic races and are equal to the Germans as well as many other peoples inhabiting northern and central Europe.
      1. V1er
        V1er 18 August 2020 10: 22
        +1
        Super. Is that why the Germans attacked the brothers of the Nordic nation? Is that why 25 million people of the Nordic race were killed during the war? And of these, only 3 million are military, the rest are civilians. Of course, you love us, democracy, freedom, justice, beautiful life. Therefore, you kill, destroy in all ways. In general, I wonder where a man with epaulettes comes from and has been on the site for 4 years, and justifies the Germans in 1941. I'm really in afiga. If people like you are everywhere, then in reality, our war is lost. Russia will be destroyed, and people like you, or stand at the head of the whip, or share with us poverty and humiliation in defeat.
        1. alpamys
          alpamys 18 August 2020 13: 00
          +1
          You will destroy Russia yourself, the entire elite has either a European or American second citizenship, and you are being poured noodles about the evil West that wants to attack you, and they themselves send children to this West to live and come to rest, do you get a rest?
      2. V1er
        V1er 18 August 2020 10: 25
        0
        Are there moderators here? Give them PMs? Here the propaganda of fascism and Nazism is pure water.
        1. Quadro
          Quadro 18 August 2020 12: 54
          -4
          Quote: V1er
          Are there moderators here? Give them PMs? Here the propaganda of fascism and Nazism is pure water.

          The local moderators only banned for rudeness for the reason and for the fact that you criticize the anti-Russian policy of the VO (there is an article about the alleged atrocities of the Belarusian centuries). And they do not even remove the propaganda of Nazism and insults to the Russians, and often also cover up these individuals. It is useless to write to them.
  8. Ivan Tixiy
    Ivan Tixiy 18 August 2020 08: 12
    +1
    One European wanted to "put on" the second "non-European" and everything got mixed up in the European house. Only BMPs probably go to the Middle East
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 18 August 2020 08: 18
      -1
      Quote: Ivan Tixiy
      One European wanted to "put on" the second "non-European" and everything got mixed up in the European house. Only BMPs probably go to the Middle East

      The squabbling of these two is a "by the town" story. yes

      But as for BV what ... What, there is information that dill acquired these infantry fighting vehicles not for the APU, but for resale?
      1. Ivan Tixiy
        Ivan Tixiy 19 August 2020 08: 54
        +1
        So there is practically everything that comes from the "European allies" without visiting Ukraine or BV or Africa.
  9. 113262a
    113262a 18 August 2020 08: 29
    0
    Poles have a saying, in translation, a Pole is not a Pole, if he does not fool a Pole! And where is there to them Svidomo (Polish term for what the British have KOU). Divorced the whole country with the Maidan, and will continue to breed! Not those were attacked by non-brothers, although now the Belarusians will hold back with spare parts for special equipment.
  10. Cowbra
    Cowbra 18 August 2020 08: 37
    -1
    Recyclable, expensive. Pickup from Poland. By the way, I heard it before. that the "repair" in the Czech Republic consisted in scraping off the rust and for this they broke the price increase almost twice.
  11. APASUS
    APASUS 18 August 2020 09: 08
    -1
    Amazing event? Nobody even thought that a bunch of all stripes want to make money in Ukraine
  12. Irek
    Irek 18 August 2020 09: 17
    -1
    They sell all the junk to them.
  13. Free wind
    Free wind 18 August 2020 09: 47
    +2
    BMP-1-2 and we are quite in service. BMP-1 pieces 400, not counting those on the stock bases.
  14. begemot20091
    begemot20091 18 August 2020 10: 29
    +1
    Quote: LKW Fahrer
    make a decent standard of living in Russia in order to catch up, at least with Poland, and only then can you tell something about Europeans, you are up to Europe - yak to neba crustaceans ... (like cancer to heaven).

    I visit Poland regularly. Retiree. Polish pensioner before me as before China with cancer.
    1. Asad
      Asad 18 August 2020 13: 08
      +1
      And it is possible in numbers, approximately. I ask without any mockery, just wondering!
      1. begemot20091
        begemot20091 18 August 2020 22: 32
        0
        For Polish zlotys? At the exchange rate for May, a little more than PLN 3000. now less course has changed.
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  15. iouris
    iouris 18 August 2020 11: 52
    0
    What have the Poles got to do with it? The scope of the ukrobusiness is felt. Svinarchuk?
  16. Mwg
    Mwg 18 August 2020 16: 16
    -1
    Espagnolettes ... by pickup ....
  17. GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 18 August 2020 16: 53
    0
    What do we care about Polish-Ukrainian transport? If so, to chat ... But in someone else's eye we see a straw, we won't see a log with our own ...
  18. Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 18 August 2020 19: 02
    0
    Quote: LKW Fahrer
    It's time to wake up, people in Europe work and live in peace.

    You are talking about the townsfolk and about everyday communication. And relations between countries are determined by politicians. Politicians have nothing to do with ordinary people. They only look like people ...
  19. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 18 August 2020 23: 55
    0
    And how long has Thailand been waiting for the "legendary" Oploty-T (49 pieces), from 2011 to 2019 ...