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How Motor Sich was rescued. The series continues

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It is now out of fashion to write about how world-class enterprises and companies disappear from the Ukrainian land. The topic has set the readers on edge so much that it causes irritation and indignation rather than a desire to protect or save the enterprise being killed. Even those who gave many years of their lives to work at such factories, factories, SKB, gave up a long time ago and only with bitterness note the stop of another workshop, plant, concern.


Ukraine, as it should have been with a technically and scientifically developed republic, has long been a battlefield between two economic giants: the United States and China. The battle for Soviet unique technologies, the battle for the "piece" cadres of engineers and designers, the battle for unique scientific developments and design ideas.

We will talk about one of these battles today. About the epic with the sale of a controlling stake in the Soviet concern Motorostroitel, which is better known to the modern reader as Motor Sich, to the Chinese company Skyrizon. The reason for this interest: Ukraine suddenly "remembered" that the concern is a unique enterprise and its loss would mean the loss of an entire industry.

It is clear that the memory returned for a reason. The memory came back with a very painful injection from Washington. And the Ukrainian prosecutor's office moved from the same injection. A case was opened on the illegal sale of the concern, and already within the framework of this case, Motor Sich shares were arrested.

How it all began


And it all started in the same way as it began at many enterprises in Russia. Privatization of the 90s. The engineers and workers of the concern, who do not understand anything in economics, decided to keep their favorite factories and handed over a controlling stake to a “good man”, director of the concern Vyacheslav Boguslaev. This is an ordinary matter and little deserving of our attention.

Moreover, having become the owner of the company, Boguslaev really managed not only to maintain production, but also to develop it. He understood perfectly well that entering the already occupied Western market would be difficult, but the traditional Russian market and the East Asian market would gladly consume the concern's products. Russia, China, India. Not tiny and not poor states at all.

Let me remind you that Motor Sich is a unique enterprise with a full cycle of development and production aviation engines, cruise missile engines and industrial gas turbines. Moreover, the concern not only develops and manufactures engines, but also maintains and repairs them during operation.

Russia greatly helped the development of the concern. When we are in the 2000s. began to actively revive the aviation industry, the concern, if not flourishing, then existed quite satisfying. Profits grew, production developed. Following Russia, China and India began to cooperate more actively. A billion in profits a year didn’t look out of the ordinary. A good job pays well.

The events of 2014 broke this idyll. Remember the numerous decrees and orders banning trade with the aggressor country during this period? Motor Sich stopped concluding new contracts with Russia, but it regularly supplied old equipment. True, there was one more reason for the drop in production. This is a plant in Snizhne. The plant for the production of turbine blades, which remained in the territory not controlled by Ukraine. But this plant also regularly fulfilled its obligations to the concern.

As the contracts were fulfilled, Motor Sich's profits began to fall. There was no longer any talk of a billion. The billion turned into 300 million and continued to shrink. Bankruptcy loomed in the future. Moreover, President Poroshenko clearly led the concern in this direction in order to force Boguslaev to sell the concern for a pittance.

How Boguslaev Poroshenko outplayed


The owner of Motor Sich perfectly saw the situation and prospects of the concern. He had no illusions about his company. Therefore, he took a number of steps to save her. And, it seems to me, the salvation of a personal wallet. Already in 2017, a year before the termination of contracts with Russia, Boguslaev agreed to sell a controlling stake in a Chinese private company. Legally, the deal is perfect.

Here it is necessary to digress from the topic. The Chinese have long passed the period of mechanical copying (theft) of other people's industries and other people's products. Today, the PRC is capable of independently producing world-class products. And the main goal of Chinese companies today is not overseas machine tools and production facilities. The main goal today is precisely technology and design and scientific developments.

So, in 2017, the controlling stake in Motor Sich is sold to Skyrizon. And almost simultaneously with this deal, the Chinese are starting to build their own factory in Chongqing. Moreover, the fact that the plant will use Motor Sich technologies is not even hidden. A simple question arises, the answer to which will show who beat whom: the confectioner's motor builder, or vice versa. Where at the start of the construction of the plant was the technological and design documentation from the Ukrainian concern? ..

Another fact is also interesting. The Chinese company has already invested $ 100 million in Motor Sich. Why on earth? Considering that attempts to break off the deal and all sorts of criminal cases against the concern in September 2017 began to grow like mushrooms after rain. And the articles on which the cases were initiated are rather high-profile. "Sabotage". "Preparing for a crime." And others. Suffice it to say that already in September 2017, the court arrested 41% of the shares of Motor Sich.

The SBU began to act even more actively in 2018. This is understandable, Poroshenko's presidential term was coming to an end and it was necessary to crush Boguslaev. April 2018 for the concern became a time of mass searches, pressure on employees in order to uncover sales schemes and other procedural misfortunes associated with cases in the SBU. Ultimately, the court arrested all the shares of the foreign owners of Motor Sich.

Instead of a "wind of change", a breeze from a home fan


The initiators of this whole supposedly legitimate campaign to cancel the deal on the sale of Motor Sich were the Americans. Unlike Ukrainian politicians, whose eyes are clearly set on the "green color of the American currency", the Americans perfectly understood the importance of Motor Sich for the defense complex of the PRC. Soviet technologies and developments by Ukrainian designers will give the Chinese a significant advantage in the production of, for example, helicopters and cruise missiles.

In order to immediately eliminate skeptical remarks that, they say, the Americans are to blame, as always, look at the materials on John Bolton's visit to Ukraine in the summer of 2018. The overseas owner did not even hide the fact that he had come precisely about this transaction. The purpose of the visit was explained as follows: breaking the deal on Motor Sich. By the way, after the visit, the number of criminal cases against employees of the concern has increased significantly.

Let me remind you about another visit of the American billionaire to Ukraine. I'm talking about the visit of Eric Prince, "the world's main mercenary," the founder of the Blackwater PMC and Donald Trump's freelance security advisor. At the time of the visit, he is the executive director and deputy director of the Frontier Services Group PMC, which is located in Hong Kong and Beijing and is engaged in the protection of Chinese enterprises in Africa.

Despite the hopes of Ukrainian politicians that Americans would come to Motor Sich, both visits ended in nothing. That is, at the local level, in Ukrainian courts, in the Ukrainian prosecutor's office and the SBU, everything is fine. They block, arrest, start cases, but ... The Chinese are not such simple and poor people to do this to them. The Chinese tiger has the grip of a bulldog. If you grabbed it, it won't let go.

It was not in vain that I wrote above that Boguslaev conducted the transaction to buy a controlling stake very cleanly. According to experts in international law, if the case is transferred to international courts, the prospects for winning cases there from Ukraine are zero. All this mouse fuss of the Ukrainian government bodies became possible for one simple reason. I think the Chinese are still hoping for a solution to the property issue in their own way, quietly and quietly.

Perhaps this explains the involvement of another powerful Ukrainian oligarch, Alexander Yaroslavsky (DCH Group), to whom the Chinese owners of the concern sold 25% plus one share. Two weeks ago (August 4), the deal was announced to the Beijing Skyrizon Antimonopoly Committee and DCH Group.

Ukrainian justice responded in its own way. Two days later, for some reason, the SBU “prequalified” the Motor Sich case with another article: “High treason”. Yaroslavsky turned directly to President Zelensky with a demand to take action. In this case, it is worth paying attention to one significant nuance. In addition to appealing to international courts, which threaten Ukraine with multimillion-dollar losses, Yaroslavsky directly pointed out a possible cooling of relations between Ukraine and the PRC.

Show must go on


Let's summarize some of the results. The Chinese business had an excellent operation to buy the latest technology in the motor industry. For little money, the latest technology was bought, the cost of which is estimated in billions of dollars. In addition, even if the transaction is canceled, the Chinese company will return all funds invested in the concern through the courts.

The importance of the concern itself to Beijing Skyrizon can be judged by the ease with which 25% of the shares were sold. The Chinese quietly gave up the controlling stake! Thus, they forced the already Ukrainian oligarchs to fight the Ukrainian state! What we are seeing today. So, the Chinese company wins anyway.

What did Boguslaev and Yaroslavsky get? Boguslaev secured himself and the concern from bankruptcy and received a powerful ally in the person of Yaroslavsky. Yaroslavsky, on the other hand, received a fat piece of a promising enterprise capable of competing in the world market. The only drawback in this situation is the need to terminate criminal cases. But this is not a problem in modern Ukraine.

The only loser in this situation was the labor collective of Motor Sich. The best specialists have either already quit and are working in China or Russia for good money, or are going to quit. The lack of orders for the company's products hits the wallet of all employees hard. The material base is collapsing.

So far, the series titled "How Motor Sich was rescued" continues. Only now the name is no longer consistent with the plot. It is necessary to replace the word "saved" with the word "killed". But this is already in the hands of the writers of the series ...
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 19 August 2020 11: 13 New
    -14
    It seems to me that the author is slightly out of touch with events and relies only on the domestic media.
    By the way, if I'm not mistaken, there is a forum member on VO, a native of those regions, who once even worked there. I think he has something to write.
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 19 August 2020 13: 04 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      It seems to me that the author is slightly out of touch with events and relies only on the domestic media.

      Excuse me, is that all you can say on this topic? By expressing a lack of confidence in the author, based on his assumptions that he is allegedly "not in the know"? What is your skepticism based on?
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      By the way, if I'm not mistaken, there is a forum member on VO, a native of those regions, who once even worked there. I think he has something to write.

      So find him, and encourage him to write an article about Motor Sich that will satisfy you.

      We will gladly read and compare yes
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 19 August 2020 14: 48 New
        -7
        Read below from Aviora.)))
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 19 August 2020 13: 10 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      It seems to me that the author is slightly out of touch with events and relies only on the domestic media.
      By the way, if I'm not mistaken, there is a forum member on VO, a native of those regions, who once even worked there. I think he has something to write.

      The latest technology is the technology of the 90s?
      1. KCA
        KCA 19 August 2020 19: 41 New
        +2
        No, in the 80s, Motor Sich - production, development - Russian design bureaus, and in the 90s people ran out of them, for example, in 94-96 I worked in a small office for the sale and maintenance of office equipment, three employees were with MKB "Raduga", one worked in the ITC, when he saw the director's salary on the printout for the accounting department more than a hundred times more than his own, he quit the same day
      2. Arxangel nemcov
        Arxangel nemcov 22 August 2020 22: 13 New
        +1
        The whole world still flies, takes off and moves on these technologies. Or is there already something super modern?
    3. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 21 August 2020 12: 58 New
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      A member of the forum, he works there. In general, with the exception of small details, the situation is described correctly. There is nothing to add. In addition, the top management of the enterprise "left" their posts. Chief engineer, deputy. for production, deputy for foreign economic activity, deputy. on finance. They were replaced by young guys 35 - 40 years old. ????
  2. Sergey39
    Sergey39 19 August 2020 11: 16 New
    +6
    Late in the day they grabbed onto the Soviet legacy. 30 years have passed.
    1. svp67
      svp67 19 August 2020 11: 52 New
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      Quote: Sergey39
      Late in the day they grabbed onto the Soviet legacy. 30 years have passed.

      So Motor Sich is not just a "Soviet legacy" covered in dust ... This enterprise developed and worked very well, largely thanks to money from Russia ... And ideas from there too ...
      1. Sergey39
        Sergey39 19 August 2020 12: 26 New
        +2
        This is so, but there was still no full-fledged development. And now it has already been pulled apart into pieces, either to China or to Russia. It was the Americans who grabbed Motor Sich too late.
      2. BDRM 667
        BDRM 667 19 August 2020 13: 06 New
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        So Motor Sich is not just a "Soviet legacy" covered in dust ... This enterprise developed and worked very well, largely thanks to money from Russia ... And ideas from there too ...


        But, the Maydauns came ...
        1. svp67
          svp67 19 August 2020 14: 07 New
          +5
          Quote: BDRM 667
          But, the Maydauns came ...

          No, they didn't come ... ROCKED ...
    2. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 19 August 2020 12: 26 New
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      And the technologies and design developments are still relevant.
  3. Roman246810
    Roman246810 19 August 2020 11: 20 New
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    In general, it is interesting .. but here's a little my puzzle does not add up ..

    Yaroslavsky got a fat piece a promising enterprise that can compete in the global market.

    The best specialists have either already quit and are working in China or Russia for good money, or are going to quit. Lack of orders for the company's products hard hitting the wallet of all employees.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 19 August 2020 11: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: Roman246810
      In general, it is interesting .. but here's a little my puzzle does not add up ..

      On the first, as it does not add up. This enterprise will no longer be able to compete with anyone. The sales market is already full.
      1. Brturin
        Brturin 19 August 2020 13: 04 New
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        The sales market is already full.

        They will most likely be displaced from the primary market (engines for new technology), perhaps in small batches, but the secondary market (engines for repair) can still be fought for.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 19 August 2020 15: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: BrTurin
          They will most likely be displaced from the primary market (engines for new technology), perhaps in small batches, but the secondary market (engines for repair) can still be fought for.

          Let's call it easier, this is no longer an aircraft engine plant, but a motor repair plant.
      2. Alexander X
        Alexander X 19 August 2020 14: 45 New
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        On the first, as it does not add up. This enterprise will no longer be able to compete with anyone. The sales market is already full.

        For the sake of fairness, it must be said that motoblocks with motors from Motor Sich are now being eaten on the Russian market. So what else is being produced.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 19 August 2020 15: 46 New
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          Quote: Alexander X
          For the sake of fairness, it must be said that motoblocks with motors from Motor Sich are now being eaten on the Russian market. So what else is being produced.

          You correctly said "ON THE MARKET". And delivery for any serial aircraft, helicopter assumes a permanent contract, and not a piece, but a large batch with maintenance and delivery of spare parts. And on the market these are things, and this cannot be called production. Let's be honest, everything has been done by everyone to ensure that in a year there will be a shopping and entertainment complex or a residential area on the site of Motor SICH.
      3. domokl
        19 August 2020 16: 31 New
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        The sales market is already full.

        Remember who owns the enterprises now ... The Chinese market (25% of shares) is quite satisfied with Motor Sich
      4. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 19 August 2020 18: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: tihonmarine
        On the first, as it does not add up. This enterprise will no longer be able to compete with anyone. The sales market is already full.

        It depends on which of the world markets to bear in mind. smile
        In the Russian market, Motor Sich is still a monopolist in some very important positions - there are simply no alternatives to most of its engines. And Boguslaev continues to supply engines, hiding behind fig leaves of old contracts.
        1. MKPU-115
          MKPU-115 21 August 2020 10: 56 New
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          "there are simply no alternatives to most of its engines" - what are these? I would like to hear.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 21 August 2020 11: 02 New
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            Quote: MKPU-115
            "there are simply no alternatives to most of its engines" - what are these? I would like to hear.

            D-436, D-18, D-136, AI-20, AI-24.
            What are the Be-200s ordered by the RF Ministry of Defense flying on? What are the Mi-26s flying on? What is on the Il-18, An-12, An-26, which are still in operation? wink
    2. g1v2
      g1v2 19 August 2020 12: 51 New
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      Motor Sich produced and serviced a significant part of the aviation equipment of the Soviet and Russian production. We still have not replaced all of its products and will replace it for a long time - there are too many names. A significant part of the Soviet engine building was concentrated in Ukraine. And in the world of Soviet-Russian technology a lot still flies. Plus, Chinese technology has largely grown out of ours and it still needs our technology. PM due to dumping, gray schemes, cheapness and cheap labor, the motor sich can keep afloat. Therefore, I hope that the Ukrainians and the Americans will finish him off. Well, our projects of import substitution still need to be spurred on. Including by enticing specialists from the motor sich.
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 19 August 2020 11: 32 New
    +6
    It is unlikely that the Yankees will want to be fooled, if not the Chinese, then Boguslaev and they will not just spoil the blood, they will find a way to take away and privatize the motor "Sich", thus punishing the entire Ukrainian economy, because the Yankees will not allow there are donkeys that everyone can ride.
  5. Lumpen
    Lumpen 19 August 2020 11: 40 New
    -12
    "Motor Sich" is included in the list of strategic enterprises and is not subject to sale. We wrote that there are almost all the signs of a "fictitious deal" and Skyrizon is either bankrupt or something else. It's clear that the matter is dark.
    Yesterday the Kiev District Court took up this case
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 19 August 2020 13: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: Lumpen
      Yesterday the Kiev District Court took up this case

      Your courts have taken on a lot of what and for whom. And where are the solutions, where are the "landings" about which you so love (loved?) To talk about?

      - NEMAE.
      1. Lumpen
        Lumpen 19 August 2020 13: 33 New
        -9
        Where yours are, they can't close the unfortunate Efremov at 100% proof, but here is such a lave and politics
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 19 August 2020 19: 00 New
          +3
          Quote: Lumpen
          Where yours are, they can't close the unfortunate Efremov at 100% proof, but here is such a lave and politics

          ABOUT! I missed something, and the court has already decided not to close Efremov? belay
          1. Lumpen
            Lumpen 19 August 2020 19: 30 New
            -8
            It lasts a long time and the result most likely will not suit the relatives of the victim
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 19 August 2020 19: 32 New
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              Quote: Lumpen
              It lasts a long time and the result most likely will not suit the relatives of the victim

              If you do everything quickly, then appeals will go, and the case may fall apart altogether.
              1. Lumpen
                Lumpen 19 August 2020 19: 43 New
                -9
                What was required to prove! Laws are written in the interests of a certain group of people. Does an ordinary peasant have money for high-quality lawyers?
        2. Non liberoid Russian
          Non liberoid Russian 19 August 2020 21: 17 New
          +2
          I love the bottoms with the dialoguua and the censor? and that the court on the clown Ephraim made a decision?
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 19 August 2020 13: 54 New
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      Quote: Lumpen
      It’s clear that the matter is dark.

      Most likely a matter of time. The owners do not like it when slaves begin to kick.
  6. paul3390
    paul3390 19 August 2020 11: 42 New
    +5
    Actually, the Chinese have most likely already got what they wanted - documentation and technologies .. Yes, and some specialists were lured to themselves .. They will hardly be desperate to fight for the equipment at least 30 years ago. horseradish when it develops, then the only market is Soviet and Russian technology. The Chinese will come out to him, arranging competition for us. And they will not raise their engine building sickly ..
    Well this is what a mighty, advanced country the USSR was, if for its legacy already in 30 years such a mess goes!
    1. Lumpen
      Lumpen 19 August 2020 13: 28 New
      -12
      We do that slowly, at the exhibition in October, take a look laughing
      1. Non liberoid Russian
        Non liberoid Russian 19 August 2020 21: 19 New
        +3
        a new version of catapults for kavunov?
        1. Lumpen
          Lumpen 19 August 2020 21: 20 New
          -10
          Yeah at Thunder Base 2
          1. Non liberoid Russian
            Non liberoid Russian 19 August 2020 21: 22 New
            +4
            about a fresh tale from Ragul arrived. start fiction
            1. Lumpen
              Lumpen 19 August 2020 21: 38 New
              -10
              I begin: - and the 'Zircon "flew," Dagger ", underline the necessary, and fell into the blue sea without target designation from" Liana "
              That's the end of fairy tales
              1. MKPU-115
                MKPU-115 21 August 2020 11: 09 New
                +2
                "and fell into the blue sea without target designation" - do not read "Censor no" at night.
                1. Lumpen
                  Lumpen 21 August 2020 18: 48 New
                  -5
                  I don’t read trash heaps, article of the military-industrial complex courier
    2. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 21 August 2020 08: 21 New
      +1
      "Documentation and technology" is far from everything. The same UEC has been importing engines for 6 years, and that is not all, and production capacity is currently very limited. Much still needs to be developed from scratch.
  7. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 19 August 2020 11: 54 New
    +2
    The Chinese are interested in the technology of manufacturing turbine blades.
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 19 August 2020 13: 13 New
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      Quote: Pessimist22
      The Chinese are interested in the technology of manufacturing turbine blades.

      The Chinese are interested in everything that can only interest them a little.
      And the technology of making tuobin blades, without which they cannot produce high-life aircraft engines, you are right - especially.
  8. BAI
    BAI 19 August 2020 13: 12 New
    +3
    It is now out of fashion to write about how world-class enterprises and companies disappear from the Ukrainian land. The topic has set the readers on edge so much that it causes irritation and indignation rather than a desire to protect or save the enterprise being killed.

    What other desire to save something in Ukraine? To your detriment? Maybe the author will also offer to finance Ukrainian enterprises to the detriment of Russian ones? Let them fall apart and as soon as possible.
  9. Avior
    Avior 19 August 2020 13: 25 New
    +5
    The result is still one - Boguslaev got money from the Chinese and remains a full-fledged owner of the plant and feels great, despite his 82 years old.
    His son recently bought an island in Italy.
    Moreover, the Chinese continue to pay.
    Under the latest agreement, another 250 million must be invested. 100 have already been given. On them Boguslaev, as he himself says, organized the modernization of old helicopters. Waiting for another 150.
    And almost simultaneously with this deal, the Chinese are starting to build their own factory in Chongqing.

    started but not finished, the construction was suspended.
    According to the latest reports, the Chinese have pledged not to export documentation, equipment and not to stop the plant in Zaporozhye. 25 percent of the shares originally belonged to Ukroboronprom, by the way, they were not sold, so what kind of controlling stake is obtained from the Chinese now is difficult to understand
    The Chinese business had an excellent operation to buy the latest technology in the motor industry.

    Excellent operation. The money was paid, received nothing and continues to pay. And no one knows how it will end. smile
    The best specialists have either already quit and are working in China or Russia for good money, or are going to quit.

    I read this story many times.
    at the factory, no one knows.

    Orders, of course, have dropped.
    Ulan-Ude disappeared.
    According to Russian military orders, it also disappeared, but this is not connected with 2014, VK2500 for military helicopters has been set up at Klimov with the help of the Motor since the beginning of the 2000s. It was not possible to achieve the quality of the motor, but there is production.
    But they have been working with the Chinese on the Motor for a very long time, in China the representative office is separate from Shkirizon.
    The plant, in my opinion, is helped by the repairs and re-motorization of old equipment, there is a large number of it in the world.
    True, there was one more reason for the drop in production. This is a plant in Snizhne. The plant for the production of turbine blades, which remained in the territory not controlled by Ukraine.

    At the Motor itself there is also a production of complex-shaped titanium castings, including blades, although not very large.
    But this is-
    The material base is collapsing.

    complete nonsense. There is no devastation there, shops, test stands are in place. Although production, of course, has been greatly reduced.
    All this fuss around the plant does not directly affect work.
    Even a newest helicopter training center and a helicopter modernization site appeared.
    There is nothing like the destruction of the factory.
    In general, there was a reduction in workers last year. And what will happen with this coronavirus now is not clear.
    hi
    1. Lumpen
      Lumpen 19 August 2020 15: 14 New
      -6
      What I love about articles like these is that they wishful thinking
      Do you know what's going on with "Nadia" and "Ataman"?
      1. Avior
        Avior 19 August 2020 15: 54 New
        0
        I know that they are engaged in repairs and modernization, but about what you asked, I cannot say exactly what state it is in now.
        I think, while the quarantine, there will be no progress.
        I will take an interest on occasion.
        hi
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 19 August 2020 15: 57 New
      +4
      Quote: Avior
      There is no devastation there, the workshops, test stands are in place. Although production, of course, has been greatly reduced.
      All this fuss around the plant does not directly affect work.

      Thank you for the detailed alignment, otherwise everyone says what they think, not knowing the specific situation.
      1. Avior
        Avior 19 August 2020 16: 47 New
        +2
        The motor, of course, is rather an exception.
        The main production has decreased, of course, but the helicopter part is completely from scratch over the past 10 years, under the Union this did not happen at all
        The educational center
        http://tc.motorsich.com/
        Helicopter shop



        And even a museum of technology, including aircraft engines, of course
        http://www.motorsich.com/rus/profile/musey/
        It is clear that from our time anything can happen and quickly, but so far such devastation, as they like to portray, is not observed, as far as I understand
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 19 August 2020 19: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: Avior
      According to Russian military orders, it also disappeared, but this is not connected with 2014, VK2500 for military helicopters has been set up at Klimov with the help of the Motor since the beginning of the 2000s.

      He-he-he ... so apart from TV3-117 / VK-2500 Motor Sich produces a lot of what is used in our military vehicles and is not produced in the Russian Federation. But at the same time the machines are miraculously produced or repaired and delivered to the Customer. smile
      So I would not be so categorical about falling out.

      And the production of VK-2500 in the Russian Federation after 2014 did not cover the production of helicopters with them for quite a long time. But engines also appeared mysteriously.
      1. Avior
        Avior 19 August 2020 19: 23 New
        +1
        Let's just say, it has become noticeably more complicated smile
        There are no direct ones.
        But there were also Ukrainian orders
        In general, in the article, to put it mildly, the colors thickened
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 19 August 2020 19: 26 New
          +2
          Quote: Avior
          Let's just say, it has become noticeably more complicated smile

          This is yes. And, by the way, special thanks for this to Old Man, who expropriated from Boguslaev his honestly acquired share in the Orsha ARZ. But what kind of supply channel could be - practically just a little gray. smile
          1. Avior
            Avior 19 August 2020 20: 17 New
            +1
            By the way, yes.
            Boguslaev jerked out like a scalded one, throwing his plane.
            And the helicopter center was organized not in Belarus, but in Zaporozhye, where it works.
            And it could be very different, the contact could remain.
      2. Cristall
        Cristall 20 August 2020 23: 06 New
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        Quote: Alexey RA
        But at the same time the machines are miraculously produced or repaired and delivered to the Customer.

        As far as I remember from VO until 2014, the cost of Ukrainian engines is one and a half 2 times cheaper than the Russian counterpart (prices until 2014) and it was cheaper to buy from Boguslaev, put on an aircraft and weld on one engine a couple of hundred thousand dollars just on this ...
        And this is a whole scheme. Now it has risen in price a little, as they use the Republic of Belarus and the Baltic States with Moldova.
        But MS still supplies engines and spare parts to the Russian Federation through third parties. As an end customer.
        But through complex schemes. I think now it is not twice as expensive but one and a half times the maximum. It would be a similar cost-supply chain would be of no interest.
      3. MKPU-115
        MKPU-115 21 August 2020 11: 20 New
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        [quote = Alexey RA] [quote = Avior] But engines also appeared mysteriously. [/ quote]
        Through Bosnia?
    4. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 21 August 2020 08: 24 New
      +1
      I'm not a fan of Motorsich, but it's almost an incredible case when the management knows what it is doing. Oh, if only literate people were still everywhere in the UEC ...
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      1. Avior
        Avior 21 August 2020 11: 26 New
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        Well, how can I forbid you to draw any conclusions, do, of course, your business, in the terms familiar to you smile .
        But in general, in your terms, not "Ukrainians", but specifically Boguslaev, he was the actual owner of the plant, and still behaves as he is ...
        I just don't know how the word "Ukrainian" can be applied to a Russian from Kazakhstan, if it's important for you ...
        And what will happen next, I'm also interested. hi
  10. Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 19 August 2020 17: 46 New
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    Motor Sich + without Russia = PT-2 lol
  11. Vdi73
    Vdi73 20 August 2020 04: 40 New
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    Specialists to Russia are not lured to the Lyakham, but they have to repair the toilet bowls, but Ukraine is already the Khan, and this happened when they fraternized with Europe and the banderlog.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 21 August 2020 09: 09 New
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      And what should they do in Russia? Again, toilets?

      When normal vacancies appear in the profile, ukrograzhdans already stand in line. Only there are no special vacancies - all are already closed.
  12. Gunter prereen
    Gunter prereen 20 August 2020 09: 35 New
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    I hope the time is not far off when uk-r-i-i will be left without factories and atomic energy.
  13. LeftPers
    LeftPers 20 August 2020 12: 41 New
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    We saved Motor Sich, hello Leonid Ilyich. laughing laughing
    1. olegactor
      olegactor Yesterday, 18: 30 New
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      We saved Motor Sich, hello Leonid Ilyich.

      Ilyich to the modern Sumerians what side ... what they don't do is they all have cancer and the Muscovites are to blame for everything ... Sumer is already a diagnosis and for a long time
  14. Cristall
    Cristall 20 August 2020 23: 14 New
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    Yaroslavsky's DCH joining Motor Sich is an opportunity, thanks to which the Ukrainian investor will have more than 25% of the shares, and he will be able to veto decisions that are unfavorable for our state.
    MC now has its own investor, quite successful. So let's see what happens
    And so the joint-stock company conducted its business in a rather peculiar way - through the old channels and did little work for the future.
    It is very strange that the author has little about this, but in every possible way outlined a muddy picture.
  15. RoTTor
    RoTTor 21 August 2020 19: 33 New
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    As soon as they settled down again, they immediately seek out yXXXperd, which urgently fulfills the order: to shift the well-known old fable "Fox and grapes" into the aviation mode.

    https://www.unian.net/economics/other/tehnologii-motor-sichi-ostalis-v-konce-proshlogo-veka-i-malo-komu-interesny-ekspert-poslednie-novosti-11117696.html?utm_source=social&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=site&fbclid=IwAR3UHBGqsXMv6j96VCs5BJ2mfZKr8IH0n1fYtxt0vQoqvLZh-UGSOxCNnU8

    Anyone who watched the air parade in Beijing on the occasion of the 70th anniversary of the People's Republic of China, it is obvious that you need to lie more believable. Where are the aircraft and the entire economy of the PRC and Ukraine today? Two big differences

    The former "aviation power" does not need Ukrainian aircraft engines,
    A wise ... foreign policy has led to the fact that not only the main Russian market for them has been lost, but also the market of the third world countries oriented towards the Russian Federation.
    In the Russian Federation and in the PRC, they learned, as the Chairman of the MAO taught, to rely on their own strength, not relying on unpredictable and unreliable partners.

    But they made room for some mall ..
    But where will unnecessary specialists go to anyone in Ukraine?

    The fool got a crystal "..." ...
  16. Evgeny Popov
    Evgeny Popov 16 September 2020 15: 59 New
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    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    I think

    Highley likely :)
  17. Sergey Pedenko
    Sergey Pedenko Today, 10: 45 New
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    since I live in Russia, it is important for me how this affects us, what is the benefit for us, and what they have there is their choice //