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Belarusian military-industrial complex. Is its loss critical for Russia?

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Strikes and other protest actions that are beginning or impending at large industrial enterprises of Belarus, not to mention other alarming events in the neighboring country, make us think seriously about many rather unpleasant questions. Including over how negative consequences our country is threatened by a long "pause" in military-technical cooperation with Minsk, or even a complete rupture of it?


First of all, it is worth mentioning that, unlike the inhabitants of many other states that emerged in the so-called post-Soviet space, the Belarusians, under the strict guidance of their current president, managed to preserve the full potential of industrial enterprises and scientific institutions of the defense sector, which were located on their territory during the Soviet era. Of the fifteen design bureaus and research institutes that were there in due time, which were related to the "defense industry", to ditch, we must pay tribute, they did not give a single one.

Another thing is that Minsk could not boast of any special "giants" of the defense sphere either - the mistakes of the Great Patriotic War in the Soviet Union were taken into account. No one placed large enterprises producing final military products in such proximity to the western borders. Is that producing various units, components, parts. Own Tanks and Belarus is incapable of creating combat aircraft. Her specialization: air defense and electronic warfare systems, MLRS, as well as ammunition for them. Armored vehicles and anti-tank missile systems are not bad at the local craftsmen.

In recent years, great emphasis has been placed on the creation of unmanned aerial vehicles of various types, however, there are still more plans and ambitions in this direction than real "breakthroughs". In any case, the Belarusians are still quite far from the declared goal of creating a full-fledged strike UAV. But they are excellent at various high-tech components for various types of weapons and equipment, mainly related to optics and electronics: sights, guidance systems, and the like.

It is not surprising that a significant part of the products of the Belarusian military-industrial complex is exported. More than 70 countries around the world appreciate its simplicity and reliability, based on the use of Soviet military developments, and, of course, the low price in comparison not only with Western, but also with many Russian samples of similar products. It is also quite natural that Moscow is the main partner of Minsk in matters of military-technical cooperation. For example, if a couple of years ago the entire export earnings of Belarusian gunsmiths were estimated at about a billion dollars, then the trade turnover in this industry between our countries amounted to at least 600 million dollars.

It is clear that Russia does not receive ready-made samples of weapons and equipment from Belarus. Sighting systems of local production, traditionally installed on some domestic models of armored vehicles and artillery systems, are in demand. Some electronic components are in demand for the rocket and military space. However, the main platform, which for many years united the military-industrial complexes of Belarus and Russia, and over the years turned into an apple of discord for them, is still a wheeled one ...

We are talking about the famous chassis manufactured by the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant (MZKT), the widest range of which was once used in the Russian Armed Forces. Many samples of domestic military equipment were put on Belarusian wheels: from S-300 and S-400 air defense systems, Tor, MLRS Smerch and Tornado to coastal defense missile systems Bastion and Bal. However, over time, the main problem was that the mobile launchers of strategic missile forces were actually tightly tied to the platforms produced by the MZKT. Such as "Topol", "Topol-M", "Yars" and some others. The domestic industry simply could not offer the army acceptable analogues for replacement.

Naturally, realizing that the critical dependence on supplies from abroad (albeit the most friendly and allied country) in the matter concerning the most important components of ensuring Russia's strategic security is completely unacceptable, Moscow has repeatedly made attempts to resolve the issue amicably (wishing to acquire half of the shares of MZKT). Minsk did not show the slightest enthusiasm in this regard. According to Dmitry Medvedev, “shares have been sold to us several times, but they have not been sold”. Alexander Lukashenko preferred to use this circumstance as one of the elements of an endless bargaining with the Russian leadership, knocking out new economic preferences and benefits from it.

The problem was partially solved in the most reliable way - by means of import substitution. The Bryansk Automobile Plant (BAZ) took an active part in its implementation, the specialists of which undertook to provide the chassis with domestic air defense systems "Triumph" and, in the future, "Prometheus". But with the MZKT-79221 chassis for our ICBMs, everything turned out to be much sadder ... KamAZ, who took up the case, and other performers who acted within the framework of the Platform-O project, whose purpose was to develop and introduce a domestic analogue of Belarusian “wheels”, “gave birth "Something tricky, but in practice it seems to be inapplicable. Whether further developments in this direction are continuing is anyone's guess.

Consequently, the "wheel dependence" of our army on Belarus is still in force. And if so, then it is highly undesirable for Russia to allow the military-industrial complex there to suffer the fate of the Ukrainian Antonov or Yuzhny design bureau. At least until a real replacement for the truly unique products of MZKT is found. And the most reasonable, perhaps, would be the decision to speed up the corporatization of this enterprise with the participation of Russia. It is very topical - both in the light of the latest alarming events in our neighbors, and on the basis of the "insight" of Alexander Grigorievich that occurred under their influence.
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  1. BAI
    BAI 19 August 2020 13: 05 New
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    Is its loss critical for Russia?

    Well, if you cut off your hand, a person, of course, will survive, but he will live - so-so. The consequences of the rupture with Ukraine have not yet gone away, and now the Republic of Belarus is being added.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 19 August 2020 13: 39 New
      +5
      Quote: BAI
      Is its loss critical for Russia?

      Well, if you cut off your hand, a person, of course, will survive, but he will live - so-so. The consequences of the rupture with Ukraine have not yet gone away, and now the Republic of Belarus is being added.

      Nothing super-terrible will happen. Economic ties cannot be simply cut off at once. Even with Ukraine, trade is growing. Only Belarusian producers will lose profit.
      Because of the short-sighted policy and the so-called striker himself. the proletariat, in particular at a large fertilizer plant, Belarus, as a leader, can be knocked out of the sales market, incl. Russian manufacturers. And so along the entire economic chain. The barely breathing ports of Latvia, where these fertilizers are loaded, will also suffer directly.
      So, in fact, the proletariat of Belarus is shooting itself in ... the head.
      1. prior
        prior 19 August 2020 14: 15 New
        0
        "Belarusian military-industrial complex. Is its loss critical for Russia?"

        If a man has been shot off his balls, is the loss critical?
        Some will say: Of course not, if you have an ass.
        1. taurus5.85
          taurus5.85 20 August 2020 11: 57 New
          +7
          It's bad that your neighbor has your balls.
      2. svp67
        svp67 19 August 2020 15: 05 New
        +5
        Quote: Terenin
        Nothing super-terrible will happen.

        In the question of the military-industrial complex ??????? Do not make me laugh. The Ukrainian gap is an example for us
        Quote: Terenin
        Economic ties cannot be simply cut off at once. Even with Ukraine, trade is growing.

        It is growing after a HUGE fall, and not in the military-industrial complex, but in other areas, but Russia is FORCED to spend huge amounts of money to organize lost production at home ...
        So the "terrible" will happen.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 19 August 2020 17: 06 New
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          Quote: svp67
          but Russia is FORCED to spend huge funds to organize the lost production at home ...

          At last yes
        2. paul3390
          paul3390 19 August 2020 19: 57 New
          +2
          Russia is FORCED to spend huge funds to organize the lost production at home ...

          The question is - why was it not done earlier, during 20 years of Putin's reign? Planned and measured? Instead of just Sochi with the World Cup, the entire defense industry could be replaced ..
          1. good
            good 22 August 2020 03: 34 New
            +8
            Please separate cutlets and flies.
            The Sochi Olympics have seriously tightened up the infrastructure, as well as the construction of motorways and roads in Crimea.
            KAMAZ will still finish its millipede for launchers, and everything else is already being systematically replaced
            The Mytishchi plant has already prepared a four-axle floating platform for air defense systems, and the C400 and other systems are already being installed on the BAZ chassis.
            In vain dad did not sell the MZKT, soon no one will need it, the Chinese are already riveting the tractors themselves.
            And it is unprofitable to enter there with money on terms of joint production. They will always be able to squeeze out, even when the Old Man has already been squeezed out more than once. It is more reliable in its territory.
          2. Bodipancher
            Bodipancher 24 August 2020 08: 29 New
            -2
            Then you will howl that the king can only rattle with weapons and the whole world is not with us)))
      3. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 19 August 2020 16: 27 New
        -1
        Quote: Terenin
        So, in fact, the proletariat of Belarus is shooting itself in ... the head.

        Nothing wrong. There is still nothing there.
    2. svp67
      svp67 19 August 2020 15: 03 New
      0
      Quote: BAI
      Well, if you cut off your hand, a person, of course, will survive, but he will live - so-so.

      And if he now chop off the second? And wait for the dentures to be made for him ..
    3. antivirus
      antivirus 19 August 2020 16: 59 New
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      not critical NOTHING ...
      the most expensive in RB is the air above it - flight time, alliance + all the buns a little bit.
      and ZIPs, etc. for 3-5 years (while in Bryansk-Orel, Belgorod, SPETER-g or Nchelny transfer production) must be
      1. svp67
        svp67 19 August 2020 17: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: antivirus
        not critical NOTHING ...

        There are critical questions ... About the same sighting systems for armored vehicles. Corporation "Peleng" is a very "expensive piece" that would be so easy to give now
    4. max702
      max702 28 August 2020 14: 21 New
      +2
      I can’t understand one thing where the screams come from that Kamaz with the platform "0" did it? It seems like everything is okay, this is put into service and serial deliveries to the troops are expected .. The fact that not everything is just perfect is not the case otherwise! The chassis is new and at a completely different level, unlike the MZKT with solutions of the 70-80s of the twentieth century .. And here on the site there were articles in other sources, but some people really want that Russia does not work out and, as always, what they want is given as real ..
  2. Gardamir
    Gardamir 19 August 2020 13: 05 New
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    Are categorically against such a formulation of the question, and that Belarus has already been merged?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 19 August 2020 13: 10 New
      -3
      Quote: Gardamir
      Are categorically against such a formulation of the question, and that Belarus has already been merged?

      Apparently, they are already preparing to drain ..
      1. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 19 August 2020 14: 14 New
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        Apparently, they are already preparing to drain ..

        In a crisis covered by a pandemic, a big window of opportunity opens up for some very serious guys! When you drain, interested people will get a lot of goodies! True, the interests of big people do not at all coincide with the interests of VO readers. In the previous two comments, I briefly described the interests of big business. Some readers will certainly disagree with my opinion. But the interests of capital are behind the fall of the country. Both foreign and Russian. With the fall of the country, the industry and agriculture of the Belarusians will be merged. Something will go to Russia along with a part (share) of the product sales market. Someone will move to Russia, improving demographics and knocking down wages. Perhaps there will be a local war like in Ukraine with the LPNR. But it is beneficial in terms of capital. A part of the patriotic population ready to fight with arms in hand will be utilized under the slogans of patriotism. This is what we see in the neighboring country. Thus, capital is conducting an action to ensure its own security from the radical population. The rest of the population will be frightened by the radicals from the other side as terrorists were frightened by the bourgeois themselves and sponsored. And it is quite symbolic that the action on September 11 is voiced as the phone number of the rescue-911! But how successfully the work went after September 11! Belarus is not a special case. These are all links of the same chain and goal! Everything fits into the logic of globalization. China is still kind of kicking.
    2. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 19 August 2020 13: 44 New
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      Was it leaked or not? Probably the question is! From the point of view of capitalism, Belarus must be brought down! The benefits are obvious for Russia's partners and for Russia itself. Another technology competitor will be knocked out. Russia can completely take out all the documentation of the required products to itself. Probably, according to the finished drawings, KAMAZ will be able to produce their products. Of course, it's not just about wheeled chassis. But perhaps the clearing will be cleared in the interests of both sides. Although Belarus and Israel are comparable in terms of population. But Israel is not cleaned up, and even supported! You can certainly support Belarus following the example of Israel. But for this you need to have a political interest. Does Russia have it? Beginning with Gorbachev, Russia's sphere of interests has been constantly decreasing, being reduced to purely the Moscow Principality. Let's say tomorrow Lukashenka will be overwhelmed. Kazakhstan will probably be the next. And again we will shout about the offensive and treachery of NATO.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 19 August 2020 14: 07 New
        +6
        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
        Probably the question is!

        I liked the new video by Konstantin Semin. A very competent alignment. hi
        1. SOVIET UNION 2
          SOVIET UNION 2 19 August 2020 15: 14 New
          10
          Good movie! It should have been published by the VO editorial office for discussion. They remembered both Polish Solidarity and the Union of the 90s! Directly some kind of a loop of time, we are constantly circling around similar events and they are repeated according to the same scenario! hi
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 19 August 2020 21: 03 New
            +2
            Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
            Some kind of a loop of time constantly circles us around similar events.

            It's just that in the empirical countries there are organizations where professionals sit in their place ...
        2. parusnik
          parusnik 19 August 2020 16: 53 New
          +8
          Got something to discuss, great video ...
        3. dali
          dali 19 August 2020 17: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          I liked the new video by Konstantin Semin. A very competent alignment.

          The video is good, honest ... but there are no answers, i.e. as it is, but who will embody it. There is no one to embody it now.

          Therefore, you have to choose the lesser of two evils.

          And the recommendation not to be on anyone's side, that is, on your left, is for decades of struggle, or maybe for centuries (what will be ahead, who knows for certain), i.e. in fact, while watching.

          And now you have to live, and raise children now, and therefore it will not work out not to be on anyone's side with the majority.

          The video is, in fact, a statement of fact ... and that's it. More deeply, a new formation of people should be born all over the world - my opinion is not 5, 10, or even 50 years ... 500 years, 1000 years ... but who knows.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 19 August 2020 20: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: Dali
            The video is, in fact, a statement of fact

            Yes, he is talking about it. As well as the fact that he has no recipe for solving the problem. request
        4. Svarog
          Svarog 19 August 2020 18: 22 New
          +9
          Semin, accurate as always .. in the definitions and reasons.
  3. Sergey39
    Sergey39 19 August 2020 13: 10 New
    +9
    The most reasonable would be the integration of Belarus with Russia as a whole.
    1. Asad
      Asad 19 August 2020 13: 14 New
      +5
      So who's arguing? How many years hasn't the integration been dancing!
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 19 August 2020 13: 16 New
      +6
      integration of Belarus with Russia
      I'm all for it. But how to integrate Lukashenko with Putin?
      1. Deniska999
        Deniska999 19 August 2020 13: 18 New
        +5
        To integrate Lukashenka and a dacha near Moscow.
        1. depressant
          depressant 19 August 2020 14: 21 New
          +5
          You can't harness a horse and a quivering doe in one cart))
      2. Alexga
        Alexga 19 August 2020 14: 01 New
        0
        But how to integrate Lukashenko with Putin?

        It's a question of time.
        1. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 20 August 2020 02: 18 New
          +3
          Quote: AlexGa
          But how to integrate Lukashenko with Putin?

          It's a question of time.

          If one has kept the socialist principles in his country to the maximum for 25 years, and distorts the second from the word "socialism", no time will heal this antagonism.
          Had Grudinin been elected, the integration processes, I think, would have been dramatically accelerated.
          There is nothing to groan about the past, but in any future elections, we need to look decades ahead. And at the same time put the social system, the possibilities of its detailed straightening, in the main place.
      3. Sergey39
        Sergey39 19 August 2020 14: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Gardamir
        But how to integrate Lukashenko with Putin?

        It's very simple! How, for example, "integrated" Medvedev? The procedure has been worked out for a long time. To offer a new "very important" position.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 19 August 2020 14: 07 New
          +5
          How, for example, was Medvedev integrated?
          Alas, Lukashenko is not Yanukovych, he can only be like Bolotov from heart failure.
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 19 August 2020 16: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Sergey39
      The most reasonable would be the integration of Belarus with Russia as a whole.

      No longer. This should have been done earlier. And now there is only one option ukroscenarios with the prospect of disintegration and depopulation.
      1. Sergey39
        Sergey39 19 August 2020 17: 30 New
        0
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        now the option is only one ukroscenario with the prospect of disintegration and depopulation

        You may have it, but this option does not suit us. And there is no one to bring it to life. Will Tikhanovskaya be in command of your parade?
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 19 August 2020 18: 30 New
          -6
          Who are you? Couch dreamers? And what does Tikhanovskaya have to do with it? I am actually a dear Russian, and not a sign-quality Belarusian.
    4. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 19 August 2020 21: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Sergey39
      The most reasonable would be the integration of Belarus with Russia as a whole.

      The integration of the Republic of Belarus with Russian money led to the Maidan ... we were told what we wanted to hear, periodically pouting, for inconvenient words about integration, and now they will just send us and no one will remember good ...
  4. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 19 August 2020 13: 12 New
    -4
    Those. Does the fate of Belarus depend on KAMAZ? As soon as they present a viable chassis model, so will they immediately merge the brothers?
    1. Rubi0
      Rubi0 19 August 2020 13: 20 New
      -1
      Well, if in fact, why does KAMAZ need a competitor, and, accordingly, your salary and social security? Kamaz itself can supply everything it needs, buses, snow removal equipment, etc. UVZ makes trams with the Poles, TMH with Hungarians, trains, trains with Kazakhs, and if they want to be independent also with 100% shares, then let the market be the market.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 19 August 2020 13: 36 New
      +4
      Well, also the same Peleng produces components for Pines. That is, tanks and infantry fighting vehicles without teplakov remain for a couple of years.
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 19 August 2020 18: 33 New
      0
      The fate of Belarus depends on Belarus itself. But objectively everything goes to the fact that Ukraine number 2 awaits us.
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 19 August 2020 18: 41 New
        +1
        If you sit with popcorn in front of a zombie box, then yes, history will repeat itself.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 19 August 2020 20: 18 New
          -2
          You do not understand. It's unavoidable. In Belarus, the people are fools, the president is a greedy fool and greedy fools are oppositionists. No state can withstand such a number of fools.
          1. 7,62h54
            7,62h54 19 August 2020 20: 55 New
            +1
            What do you offer?
  5. Alexga
    Alexga 19 August 2020 13: 26 New
    +8
    KamAZ, which took up the case, and other performers who acted within the framework of the Platform-O project, whose purpose was to develop and introduce a domestic analogue of the Belarusian "wheels", "gave birth" to something tricky, but in practice, it seems, is inapplicable

    Everything here is generally interesting. In 1985, the MAZ-7907 product was completely created, now there are 2 samples still on Maz. So, a creation created at KAMAZ called Platform-O, almost completely repeats the aforementioned MAZ. With all his illnesses. I would not be surprised if it becomes known that KAMAZ simply bought MAZ's technical documentation, and the money allocated for R&D was simply divided. IMHO
    1. Alexander X
      Alexander X 19 August 2020 13: 58 New
      -2
      I will not be surprised if it becomes known that KAMAZ just bought MAZ technical documentation

      Well, it's better to have a ready-made set of documentation to manufacture a tried and tested product than reinvent the wheel.
      1. Alexga
        Alexga 19 August 2020 14: 00 New
        +6
        It is correct, only in 1985 were tests and the conclusion was drawn that such a machine was futile.
        1. Alexander X
          Alexander X 19 August 2020 14: 05 New
          +1
          It is correct, only in 1985 were tests and the conclusion was drawn that such a machine was futile.

          It's better to have one than to develop everything anew ... IMHO
          And I will not reveal the secret that we must produce weapons ourselves without relying on uncle ... We already have a gadid under the door with both ship turbines and helicopter engines ... The lesson was expensive ...
          1. Alexga
            Alexga 19 August 2020 14: 10 New
            +4
            Alexander, it's not about the uncle, but about the creation of a unit that must correspond to the solution of the tasks assigned to him. And here it is completely indifferent where it is created. I spoke here about spending state money on creating a model, the shortcomings of which were already identified in the years of the USSR.
  6. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 19 August 2020 13: 33 New
    +8
    Buying shares is a disastrous business. In case of political difficulties it will not help.
  7. Indifferent
    Indifferent 19 August 2020 13: 45 New
    +7
    I read and saw a movie that our industry has already switched to the domestic chassis of the Bryansk plant and KAMAZ. True, they are still producing little, but it is not difficult to build up. Moreover, the KAMAZ chassis is much better. It unfolds (makes a turn) literally on the spot.
    1. Potter
      Potter 19 August 2020 14: 52 New
      +4
      Platform-O has been formally tested and is ready for service. But this "O" has two "BUTs".
      1. Imported electric transmission components. 2. The danger of disabling all this electrical equipment when using electric pulse weapons.
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 20 August 2020 22: 57 New
        -1
        Quote: Potter
        The danger of disabling all this electrical equipment when using electric pulse weapons.

        Well, everything will stall for you, and without an electric transmission
    2. Moore
      Moore 19 August 2020 15: 17 New
      +4
      Quote: indifferent
      I read and saw a movie

      laughing
      In September 2018, Vladislav Polonsky, Advisor to the General Director of KamAZ PJSC - Head of the Platform-O project, Vladislav Polonsky, said that large-scale production of highly mobile modular platforms (VMP), including those with EMT, could begin no earlier than 2023. after creating the necessary production facilities and allocation of necessary funds.
      It's funny that in the same year, the Acting Head of the Scientific Research Institute of AT of the 3rd Central Scientific Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Colonel Vadim Demik, announced that the Scientific Research Institute of Technology was no longer considering electromechanical transmissions (EMT) for military vehicles either in the short or medium term.
      The bottom line is that "Platform-O" is:
      -such a thing for trolling But father;
      - an excellent tool to milk more money from the MO;
      - anything, just not a working model of weapons and military equipment, suitable for entering the troops.
  8. xomaNN
    xomaNN 19 August 2020 13: 48 New
    +9
    The military-industrial complex of the USSR was built for the purpose of calculating the eternal Union. Therefore, it was logical to build in those cities where the logistics for raw materials, shipment, picking are suitable. And, of course, the labor force - from handy proletarians to engineers and technicians. The borders of the republics did not play a role.
    But the same Belarusian Shushkevich with two "smart guys" torn apart the Union. angry
    And an example of withdrawal from cooperation uk..r. turbinists "Zorya-mashproekt" left several military NKs of the Navy unfinished. And Bolshiye Lardy plunged into import substitution bully
    It will be bad if the Belarusian military-industrial complex also leaves on a different course ...
  9. iouris
    iouris 19 August 2020 13: 51 New
    -3
    Only the United States has a real military-industrial complex. The rest have only "military enterprises".
    But the point is different. The author asks himself the question that was asked to Comrade Sukhov: "Are you better off right away ... or do you want to suffer?"
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 19 August 2020 15: 26 New
      -3
      the real is you by what standards are you comparing?
      1. iouris
        iouris 19 August 2020 20: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: carstorm 11
        what standards are you

        Answer.
        The military-industrial complex has only the United States, since the military-industrial complex solves the specific problems of overcoming the insoluble contradiction between the form of economy inherent in the constitution of this state (based on private entrepreneurship and the prohibition for the state to interfere in the affairs of private business) and the need to organize systematic state intervention in the systematic increase in the competitiveness of the US economy in order to maintain economic and political dominance in the world arena. The military-industrial complex was created and is used for continuous "production" and preparation for the introduction of advanced technologies. After advanced technologies are created at public expense and tested in the US Armed Forces, the relevant US government bodies (agencies) enact regulations prohibiting the use of obsolete technologies, which forces private companies to acquire and introduce new technologies into production. Through the WTO and UN specialized organizations, a ban is introduced on the use of obsolete technologies in the world. This prohibition is secured by a sanction. (Sanction means the onset of negative consequences for the offender).
        Thus, the military-industrial complex (or the military-industrial complex of the USA) is a unique phenomenon (it is difficult for many Russians to understand this, because they have specific experience and therefore their brains work specifically).
        I would add that the creation in the United States (and then in the rest of the world) of a "consumer society" is a direct consequence of the creation of the military-industrial complex and provides for the compulsion of private business to acquire "safe" technologies instead of obsolete "safe technologies." All of this is noticed in the development of automobiles, especially after 1990.
        1. user
          user 26 August 2020 07: 05 New
          0
          The military-industrial complex was created and is used for continuous "production" and preparation for the introduction of advanced technologies.


          Don't write nonsense. The US military-industrial complex is an opportunity for a very narrow group of people to earn very big money on military orders, whether there is a war or not, but there are always orders not only from the United States, but also from all the countries under their control.
    2. PROXOR
      PROXOR 19 August 2020 16: 40 New
      +1
      Oh how. Those. Rheinmetal cannon for Abrams, or RPG Gustav is a purely American military-industrial complex. And there the list will be more.
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 19 August 2020 19: 11 New
      0
      Quote: iouris
      Only the USA has a real military-industrial complex.

      Buying armored vehicles from the British BAE. smile
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 19 August 2020 13: 53 New
    +2
    To what extent does a long "pause" in military-technical cooperation with Minsk, or even a complete rupture of it, threaten our country?

    losses will be in many positions.
    the assessment is simple, from critical to extremely expensive, difficult to replenish according to the criterion expensive and long!
  11. Victorio
    Victorio 19 August 2020 14: 03 New
    0
    thanks for the publication, relevant topic
  12. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 19 August 2020 14: 06 New
    0
    The sights for tanks are still Belarusian ... but the matrices are already ours.

    As for the MZKT, we need to look for technologies for the transmission of this competence. For more torque and power. And so our diesel engine, they will be able to weld the frame.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 19 August 2020 15: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Zaurbek
      And so our diesel engines,


      Diesel YaMZ, yes ...
    2. fider
      fider 19 August 2020 15: 35 New
      +1
      Zaurbek
      According to the MZKT, we need to look for technologies for the transmission of this competence.

      Execution cannot be pardoned.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 19 August 2020 16: 53 New
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        If desired, and before the sanctions, it is quite possible to buy and master the license. I think you can search in Asia even now.
  13. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 19 August 2020 15: 02 New
    +1
    But with the MZKT-79221 chassis for our ICBMs, everything turned out to be much sadder ... KamAZ, who took up the case, and other performers who acted within the framework of the Platform-O project, whose purpose was to develop and introduce a domestic analogue of Belarusian “wheels”, “gave birth "Something tricky, but in practice it seems to be inapplicable.

    The author, and the evidence will be that this is exactly so?
    1. Poppy
      Poppy 19 August 2020 15: 54 New
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      There will be no comments
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 19 August 2020 16: 55 New
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      One of the projects just happened ... whether we went further or not, there was no information. I tried electric propulsion on experimental machines and MZKT. But they did not go into the series.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 19 August 2020 16: 59 New
        +1
        And then they say that the 8-axis Platform 0 reached the military tests ... Already.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 19 August 2020 17: 28 New
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          Some kind of 8x8 ...
    3. codetalker
      codetalker 19 August 2020 17: 07 New
      +2
      It is also very interesting where the author got such information. And it is presented as if it were some kind of obvious fact. I remember a year ago, it was reported that successful tests were carried out and in the next 10 years there will be a smooth transition. It is probably not supposed to force events even if Belarus is “lost”. And the main problem is not in the military-industrial complex. It is obvious that it will become a staging ground for the armies of the enemy of Russia in this case.
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 20 August 2020 23: 02 New
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        Quote: codetalker
        It is obvious that it will become a staging ground for the armies of the enemy of Russia in this case.

        Have you asked the Belarusians if they want to be a buffer? For the next 50 years you are going to fight with the whole world. Like North Korea and Iran
  14. Pavel57
    Pavel57 19 August 2020 15: 41 New
    -1
    The lack of a chassis will push in the revival of the BRZD.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 19 August 2020 17: 28 New
      +1
      There a new rocket is needed .... cheaper to buy new MZKT.
  15. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 19 August 2020 15: 50 New
    0
    It is better to start preparing for this import substitution - in the worst case, we will not scratch our face as in the case of the loss of Ukrainian suppliers, in the best case, we will reduce the number of pain points that our "most loyal ally" loves to press on.
    It is necessary to act like the United States - now there is a formal reason, all these strikes and downtime - you need to just like the daddy himself - get out epic and say loudly "Excuse me! , we diversify a number of questions with which pants have been sitting for years. If such things are clear to a person, it is necessary to talk to him the way he prefers to talk to us.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 19 August 2020 16: 33 New
      -1
      From the point of view of the logic of capitalism, we must prepare to snatch our piece. State property, people, resources, territories.
      Stop supporting the Bulbaführer at our expense.
  16. Old26
    Old26 19 August 2020 19: 41 New
    +4
    Quote: AlexGa
    Everything here is generally interesting. In 1985, the MAZ-7907 product was completely created, now there are 2 samples still on Maz. So, a creation created at KAMAZ called Platform-O almost completely repeats the aforementioned MAZ.

    They have only electric transmission in common. Everything else is different machines. Starting from the fact that KAMAZ under the Platform-O program is an 8-axle vehicle with larger wheels, and MAz-7907 had wheels of smaller diameter, 12 axles and was intended for the heavy PGRK “Celina-2” being created (one of the variants ). The second with huge wheels with a diameter of almost 2,5 meters - the skeleton is so on Baikonur and lies

    Quote: indifferent
    I read and saw a movie that our industry has already switched to the domestic chassis of the Bryansk plant and KAMAZ. True, they are still producing little, but it is not difficult to build up. Moreover, the KAMAZ chassis is much better. It unfolds (makes a turn) literally on the spot.

    The KAMAZ chassis under the Platform-O program is very damp. Turning all wheels, of course, greatly reduces the turning radius, but it was on this (on such a turn) that KAMAZ failed at the show

    Quote: Pavel57
    The lack of a chassis will push in the revival of the BRZD.

    Yeah, hour. Will it push, and will push, that it will be necessary to spend trillions (and not rubles, but dollars) to put everything on the railroad?

    In fact, the Russian Strategic Missile Forces are now completely dependent on Belarus. Whether we like it or not. The "platform" is still very crude, and it is not clear whether there will be further games with electric transmission or will be like at the MZKT. And in the coming years, more than a hundred may be needed for launchers alone, not to mention other units of the Strategic Missile Forces and these chassis in other versions (for air defense, anti-ship missiles, etc.)
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 20 August 2020 09: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      In fact, the Russian Strategic Missile Forces are now completely dependent on Belarus.

      Fully dependent in terms of the PGRK. In general, the dependence is partial - taking into account the presence of silos.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 20 August 2020 11: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Old26
      (for air defense, anti-ship missiles, etc.)

      In the course of the air defense, it switched to the BAZ, like the others ... the Strategic Missile Forces in terms of the PGRK yes ...
  17. Zum
    Zum 19 August 2020 19: 55 New
    +2
    Well, here we come ...... my compatriots remember me in the past tense .... There should not be such articles! Why ask the question like that? This piece of land should not be given to anyone ... for Russia it is tantamount to disability ... We live on this land, there are many Russian citizens who do not want to leave anywhere, this is our home ... and Russia ..... Motherland ....... Therefore, it's time for Putin to say his weighty word in defense of Belarus!
    1. user
      user 26 August 2020 06: 58 New
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      We live on this land, there are many Russian citizens who do not want to go anywhere, this is our home ..


      Then why were women in white standing in the streets, and where were you, who had a house in Belarus?
  18. Old26
    Old26 20 August 2020 09: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: Old26
    In fact, the Russian Strategic Missile Forces are now completely dependent on Belarus.

    Fully dependent in terms of the PGRK. In general, the dependence is partial - taking into account the presence of silos.

    Yes, but at present almost 60% of the Strategic Missile Forces are PGRK. In the future, it is unclear whether the mine "Topol-M" will be left or, when replaced, the mine will be replaced with mobile ones. Plus, if we go for the release of MRBMs at least on the basis of "Rubia" - these are only mobile.
  19. Dedok
    Dedok 20 August 2020 11: 09 New
    0
    Quote: iouris

    All of this is noticed in the development of automobiles, especially after 1990.


    ... yes, in the 90s the passenger branch of Volvo went bankrupt - reasons - too reliable and durable cars were designed and made.
    Further - the victory of marketing in all types of production and…. now we buy and use disposable products, no matter what nameplates they have ...
    1. iouris
      iouris 20 August 2020 12: 07 New
      +1
      Everyone should understand (or just remember) that planned failure is a high-tech design method. It was introduced even in the production of Liberty class transport ships, which were designed to sail only one way: across the Atlantic, to England, and then to Murmansk. This, firstly, greatly reduced the cost of production, and secondly, reduced production time. However, then it was not possible to fully implement it, so these ships went to the USSR for a very long time after the end of WWII. Today, cars become obsolete in 3 ... 5 years, so it makes no sense to lay down durability exceeding this period. When, after 3 ... 5 years, an "almost new" car hits the Russian car market, the new owner (Russian) plays the lottery, since a "planned" critical failure can occur at any time. Owner costs for "unplanned maintenance" also skyrocket. the coefficient of technical readiness ("combat readiness") of vehicles decreases.
      If cars were produced with a life cycle of 10 ... 12 years, then economic crises of overproduction would be observed more often. And who needs it?
      That's why the world's leading economy needed the military-industrial complex. That is why only the US has a military-industrial complex. This is why the United States is the world's leading economy. However, it cannot be ruled out that this original mode of production has already exhausted itself.
      1. user
        user 26 August 2020 06: 56 New
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        Today, cars become obsolete in 3 ... 5 years, so it makes no sense to lay down durability exceeding this period.


        I wonder how many members of the forum would agree with this approach?
  20. Basarev
    Basarev 20 August 2020 13: 56 New
    +2
    You still have to say goodbye to the Belarusian military-industrial complex. Ideally, absolutely the entire defense industry should be assembled in Russia in order to exclude dependence on wayward princelings. And given that the national issue has not yet been fully resolved, such responsible industries as the defense industry should be concentrated in the most loyal regions - the Russian regions.
  21. Mitreus
    Mitreus 21 August 2020 05: 54 New
    0
    The sooner this happens, the better! Otherwise, we will not move.
  22. Suslin
    Suslin 21 August 2020 12: 23 New
    0
    Our "smart heads" in the military-industrial complex have once again stepped on a rake in the issue of providing the Russian army with Russian companies. The loss of products from the Belarusian MZKT will hit Russian mobile ICBMs very hard. Trust your allies, and keep your ears on top of your head!
  23. good
    good 22 August 2020 03: 40 New
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    Actually:
    "On the recommendation of the state commission, taking into account the successful completion of state tests, the platform-O family of highly mobile modular chassis was accepted for supply to the Armed Forces
    In the course of production of the unified "Platform-O" within 10 years, there will be a gradual transition from machines produced at MZKT.

    Information 2019 https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6194747
  24. Bodipancher
    Bodipancher 24 August 2020 08: 32 New
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    The Belarusian army is mostly pro-Russian, maybe it is necessary to put some general in a chair since the dad does not pull. Use the US experience in their underbelly. All the rest are half measures.
  25. user
    user 26 August 2020 06: 53 New
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    And if so, then it is highly undesirable for Russia to allow the military-industrial complex there to suffer the fate of the Ukrainian Antonov or Yuzhny design bureau.


    The military-industrial complex of Belarus awaits the fate of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex. I think after the latest events in the Russian Federation they will draw the right conclusions. And it is not clear why to raise the economy of a neighboring state, anyway, sooner or later another president will come and start jumping again.
  26. BOB044
    BOB044 26 August 2020 16: 34 New
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    I don’t think the gap will be critical for us. We will get over it and fix the problem. But the Belarusian hard workers and the economy of Belarus will bend because good ones to see each other from afar.
  27. Enemy
    Enemy 1 September 2020 09: 02 New
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    Such equipment should be produced in Russia, and let the Byalorians think for themselves what to do with it.
  28. Pavel Shadoyan
    Pavel Shadoyan 15 September 2020 19: 08 New
    0
    Theft of technology, etc., etc. Invested money. The security of Russia itself and, simply, of its physical existence. The enemy is at the doorstep and around, a ring of fire. Does the West not understand that a nuclear war with NATO will sooner start than Belarus, will go to their bloc?
  29. venaly
    venaly 16 September 2020 21: 40 New
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    One military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation is enough. everything will be protected.