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The nineties as a vaccine against the West

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The topic of events in Belarus has been on the front pages of the media lately. Let's try to understand the origins of the civil conflict in this country from the point of view of a citizen of Russia.


Man is self-centered. He understands external phenomena through the prism of his “I”, his personal experience. Therefore, when analyzing events in another country, errors often creep in, associated with different perceptions of reality among the population of even neighboring countries.

You often hear the thesis: “Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are one people”. Is it so? The first severe blow to this concept came from the events of 2014 in Ukraine. When the seemingly “fraternal” people turned their backs on us, called us “shovels”, “quilted jackets”, “Mordor”, accused us of all conceivable and inconceivable sins. Relatives from this wonderful country called many people then with crazy questions like: "Is your Putin absolutely, tunnels?" Remember your confusion, attempts to justify yourself, to explain your position? Did the conversations help? Not.

But now time has passed. For Ukraine, the Russian market was gradually closing. The economy of the square began its peak. "Non-brothers", tightening their belts, began to appeal to the theme of one root, talk about "millions of pro-Russian citizens", about "they also suffer", about "finally lose". In response, they received a harsh response: "Everyone who wanted to be with Russia moved there long ago with their families, and let the grandchildren who rode on the Maidan feed the local grandmothers." The topic was closed. Here it would be appropriate to recall the Ukrainian guys who came to fight for the people's republics, and then received Russian citizenship for themselves and their families. People proved who they were with their blood.

Now in the political get-together of Ukraine, the use of the country by the West in its own interests is already presented as a given. It is noted that the economy has turned from an industrial to a raw material one. Local witches have introduced a new term - sorosets (incompetent henchmen of the West, acting to the detriment of the country's interests). Agree, a more accurate definition instead of ours - grant eaters.

The hate vector of Ukrainians is shifting from Russia to the West.

And this is the beginning of the path to understanding the essence. A person understands reality better with his stomach than with his head. The nineties began in Ukraine. According to statistics, the poorest country in Europe has begun its mental recovery.

Russia during the Yeltsin era was in the strong unfriendly embrace of the West. Dreams of a bright capitalist future shattered into everyday life. Remember. There were massive dismissals of workers, enterprises were closed. Workers and military personnel did not receive wages for six months or more. Doctors, teachers, scientists, so as not to die of hunger, went to trade on the market. The housing and communal services system collapsed, villages in Siberia froze ...

And on all channels there was one continuous Euronews, Euronews, Euronews, cut off from the Russian realities ...

By the end of the nineties, a quiet but firm rejection of the West had already formed. It is absorbed into the skin, fixed in the DNA.

It was a terrible time. And paradoxically, it is very necessary. We have preserved ourselves, our mentality. They turned off the TV and refused to accept an alien culture, alien ideology, alien propaganda. They gritted their teeth and began to build their country.

If it turned out differently, we would have been devoured by now.

Let's go back to the Belarusians. They mildly survived the crisis of the collapse of the USSR. They managed to keep most of the enterprises (now unprofitable and working for a warehouse). They did not have to think about their daily bread, about the wild decline of morality and the rampant domestic crime.

And they kept faith in their bright future under the umbrella of the West.

Can you convince them? Explain that hot water in the tap, warm radiators, and a hearty meal don't come out of nowhere. Understand that these benefits are at the expense of Russia.

In my opinion, no. How in the nineties it was impossible to explain to the Russian citizens of a great country that Hollywood pictures of personal happiness are just a screen for the plunder of their homeland.

Truth comes with experience, sometimes very cruel.

And the inhabitants of Sineoka do not have it. Not yet. But there is Euronews, showing the benefits of European civilization. And wet dreams to become a part of it. After that, can the Syabrs be blamed for not recognizing Crimea? After all, this is so in the mainstream of Western discourse. I really want to become a civilized European.

I believe that both Belarusians and Ukrainians will return to Russia again. But only after they feel in their own skin all the delights of the embrace of the West.
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  1. Woodman
    Woodman 18 August 2020 15: 06 New
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    I wrote well ... About the 90s ... As I remembered, I shuddered ...
    It was a terrible time.
    Thanks to the West for science, then we will somehow be with our minds ...
    1. Arthur73
      Arthur73 18 August 2020 15: 18 New
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      Nevertheless, they do not give up the hope of returning Russia to the channel in which it was under the Ebn. How many "friends of Russia" periodically gather in the Baltic states, where plans for restructuring the state are discussed, and the same Khodorkovsky alone is worth it. And remember Obama's tantrums and Clinton. They clearly conveyed their position, they say, if the Russians do not want to rebel against the current government, we will give you sanctions. And they sit waiting for the Russians to rebel. The West never wished Russia anything good, on the contrary, in moments of weakness it tried to grab something, that the same intervention at the beginning of the 20th century, the plundering of the USSR at the end of the last century. Will there be someone who will expel the remnants of the sycophants of the West from the country ???
      1. veritas
        veritas 18 August 2020 16: 17 New
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        Quote: Arthur73
        Nevertheless, they do not abandon the hope of returning Russia to the channel in which it was under

        The channel too, the bend is different.
        . Will there be someone who will expel the remnants of the sycophants of the West from the country ???

        Half of the government, the Federation Council and the Duma need to be driven, and maybe all. They will be against. Even in the new Constitution, the amendment on citizenship was removed.
        1. Civil
          Civil 19 August 2020 07: 08 New
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          Quote: veritas
          Half of the government, the Federation Council and the Duma need to be driven, and maybe all. They will be against. Even in the new Constitution, the amendment on citizenship was removed.

          What is it like? Will the owners kick themselves out? laughing
      2. 210ox
        210ox 18 August 2020 16: 26 New
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        I believe that there is no "vaccination against the 90s". A generation is growing up with its own vision of the situation, which did not know that life, not to mention the Soviet Union, its achievements and problems. In five to ten years, God forbid the situation will worsen and they will trample everything on the barricades. As once the miners on the Moskovskaya embankment, or now in Belarus.
        1. BMP-2
          BMP-2 20 August 2020 00: 01 New
          +2
          There are no vaccinations against color revolutions: illustrative examples are Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan. And vaccines against them will most likely never appear, since they are built on human weaknesses, discontent and vices that have been marching with humanity for more than one thousand years. Indeed, in essence, the biblical story of the expulsion of Adam and Eve from Paradise is an excellent description of the technology of the very first "color" revolution: to find the dissatisfied and seduce the decision maker. What could be easier? But, as it turned out, there is no way back ...
      3. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 18 August 2020 17: 50 New
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        Pula's article was VERY disliked. I believe that many of its provisions are false and incorrect, the author distorts a lot, and the article itself grossly distorts the truth. The article is provocative. Many of its excerpts are perfect for both the Zmagar and Bandera press.

        Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are still one people. Scientists say this, the Russian authorities and Putin are talking about it. Although there were events that some pseudo-researchers interpret as destroying this thesis. But this is not at all the case: both in / in Ukraine and in Belarus it is not the people who oppose this, as the author of the opus claims, but only a PART of it, and a smaller one. True, in Ukraine she seized power with the active support of the West and with the almost complete passivity of the Russian government (conversations and diplomatic protests are not counted). That is why the NORMAL majority of Ukrainians called their Russian relatives with "crazy questions." Gradually, these issues disappeared due to the "deafness" of Russian relatives and the Russian authorities. In Belarus, a minority is now trying with all its might to seize power, with might and main applying lies, according to Ukrainian templates.

        And the first blow - a split over unity - was struck not in 2014, but in 1991. Moreover, the main role then was played by the future Russian President - Yeltsin.

        About the "vector of hatred towards Russia." NORMAL Ukrainians and Belarusians never had it and do not have it now. These are inventions of false propagandists for the sake of splitting the fraternal people. Svidomo Bandera and Zmagars are a completely different matter.

        Respecting the Russian people, I would like to note that the author clearly underestimates the role of the individual in history: if Putin had not turned out to be a patriot of Russia and prevented the imminent collapse, then perhaps today's conversation would not have taken place.

        Again, respecting the brothers-Belarusians, I want to say that they are not to blame for many mistakes of the authorities and Lukashenka. And I really hope they don’t have to "on their own skin feel all the beauty of the embrace of the West" that Poole wants them so much!
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 18 August 2020 20: 06 New
          +2
          Here is the opinion of the person living there:
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 18 August 2020 20: 16 New
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            The video was posted at 20.06, the minus arrived at about 20.13, the video continues at 2.25.44. Not yet fully watched, but already hated. laughing
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 19 August 2020 08: 20 New
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              I haven't watched your movie in 2,5 hours: there is simply no time.
              Don't you admit that someone has watched your "video" before?
              As for "a person's opinion", there is a well-known saying: "How many people, so many opinions." That is, your "video", I believe, does not confirm or deny ANYTHING.
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 19 August 2020 11: 15 New
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                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                Don't you admit that someone has watched your "video" before?

                Hardly. Although it cannot be completely denied, it is unlikely.
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                As for the "opinion of a person", there is a well-known saying: "How many people, so many opinions"

                This is true, but opinion is not taken out of thin air, it is based on something. A person looks, listens, thinks, analyzes and so on, then comes to some opinion. For this, you need a head and a brain, and not just to eat in this head, you must agree. And what conclusion can an individual draw if he is not interested, does not look, does not analyze?
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                That is, your "video", I believe, does not confirm or deny ANYTHING.

                The man on the video is a well-known writer in some circles, deals with and describes the problems of survival in critical situations, he has been living in Belarus since the first part of the 90s. His vision of the situation (he lives there even before Luke's reign) is very interesting. But it's easier for some to deny than to spend a couple of hours on information and analysis of the situation. And some find it easier to think for them, but they also think that they have their own opinion. request
        2. DrEng527
          DrEng527 18 August 2020 23: 09 New
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          Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
          And the first blow - a split over unity - was struck not in 2014, but in 1991. Moreover, the main role then was played by the future Russian President - Yeltsin.


          lies - in 1917! The Bolsheviks were engaged in Ukrainization in the 1920s ...
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 19 August 2020 08: 41 New
            +1
            The fact that you are a supporter of alternative history, you hate the Bolsheviks and the USSR fiercely, the arrogant rude biyan says your "wonderful" profile.
            And you are lying, claiming that the Bolsheviks divided the Russian people. Quite the opposite!
            And in general it seems to me that you are yesterday's hasty "daughter of an officer"!
            1. DrEng527
              DrEng527 19 August 2020 11: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              The fact that you are a supporter of alternative history, you hate the Bolsheviks and the USSR fiercely, the arrogant rude biyan says your "wonderful" profile.

              when there are no arguments always get personal ... wink
              can you refute Ukrainization in 1920-30s? Accession of the Russian Donbass to the Ukrainian SSR?
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              And you are lying, claiming that the Bolsheviks divided the Russian people. Quite the opposite!

              1) you are ignorant!
              2) Re-read the VIL "On the national pride of the Great Russians", see the practice of creating the Ukrainian SSR, the BSSR, annexing the Russian lands to the Ka.SSR ...
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              And in general it seems to me

              and you are ignorant! request
            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 19 August 2020 12: 02 New
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              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              And you are lying, claiming that the Bolsheviks divided the Russian people. Quite the opposite!

              Seriously?
              Who transferred the Russian lands of Novorossiya to the Ukrainian SSR? Who arranged forcible Ukrainization on these lands with the translation of everything and everyone into the Ukrainian language and dismissal without observing labor legislation for his ignorance? Who returned the nationalist Hrushevsky from Austria and gave him an institute so that he would historically substantiate an independent Ukrainian nation? Crimea Ukraine was handed over by the Martians?
              Who ended up writing this:
              I already wrote in my works on the national question that the abstract statement of the question of nationalism in general is worthless. It is necessary to distinguish between the nationalism of the oppressed nation and the nationalism of the oppressed nation, the nationalism of a large nation and the nationalism of a small nation.
              In relation to the second nationalism, almost always in historical practice, we, the nationals of a large nation, find ourselves guilty of an endless amount of violence, and even more than that - we imperceptibly commit an infinite number of violence and insults - one has only to recall my Volga memories of how we are bullied by foreigners, just as a Pole is not called anything other than a “Polish”, a Tatar is not ridiculed other than a “prince”, a Ukrainian is not otherwise called a “Ukrainian”, a Georgian and other Caucasian foreigners, - as a “Kapkaz man”.
              Therefore, internationalism on the part of the oppressing or the so-called “great” nation (although great only by its violence, great only as great as the Sordimord) should consist not only in observing the formal equality of nations, but also in such inequality that would compensate the oppressing nation , the nation is large, the inequality that actually develops in life. Whoever did not understand this, did not understand the really proletarian attitude towards the national question, he remained, in essence, on the point of view of the petty-bourgeois and therefore cannot but slip every minute to the bourgeois point of view.

              That is, Lenin's internationalism is the eternal position of the Russian people in the pose pay and repent... Moreover, if in the early works of the VIL the "Russian official" was guilty of the oppression of small peoples, now the entire Russian people was appointed guilty.
              1. BMP-2
                BMP-2 19 August 2020 23: 46 New
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                Alexei, I think, after all, in Lenin's text it would be necessary to highlight not the penultimate, but precisely the last phrase. Still, the most important is always stated at the end of the story. Perhaps then the meaning would become obvious: "Nationalism is disgusting in any form," and not the conclusion that you made.
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 20 August 2020 09: 19 New
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                  Quote: BMP-2
                  Alexei, I think, after all, in Lenin's text it would be necessary to highlight not the penultimate, but precisely the last phrase. Still, the most important is always stated at the end of the story.

                  Alas, in this case, it is the selection that is important. Because further VIL attacks Ordzhonikidze, Dzerzhinsky and Stalin with harsh criticism, calling them Great Russian nationalists, and comrade Ordzhonikidze - also a rude Great Russian derzhimord. And he demands to forgive the Georgians for their social-nationalism, because otherwise they will be offended.
                  And I think that in this case, in relation to the Georgian nation, we have a typical example of where special caution, courtesy and compliance are required on our part by a truly proletarian attitude to business. The Georgian who disdainfully refers to this side of the matter is disdainfully thrown at the accusation of "social-nationalism" (while he himself is a real and true not only a "social-national", but also a rude Great Russian lord), that Georgian, in essence, violates the interests of proletarian class solidarity, because nothing hinders the development and consolidation of proletarian class solidarity like national injustice, and “offended” nationals are so sensitive to nothing as to the feeling of equality and the violation of this equality, even if only through negligence , even if only in the form of a joke, to the violation of this equality by their proletarian comrades. That is why in this case it is better to oversalt in the direction of compliance and softness towards national minorities than to undersalt. That is why, in this case, the fundamental interest of proletarian solidarity, and therefore of the proletarian class struggle, requires that we never take a formal attitude to the national question, but always take into account the obligatory difference in the attitude of the proletarian of a nation oppressed (or small) to a nation oppressing (or large) ...

                  That is, the nationalism of a small nation is not something that is normal, but it must always be taken into account so that, Marx don’t forbid, it does not offend this nation. And one cannot point to this nationalism, one can only criticize Great Russian nationalism.
                  In fact, it was the Georgian affair that buried the Stalinist project of "autonomization" and led to the creation of the USSR as the Union of Independent Republics.
      4. Vadim237
        Vadim237 18 August 2020 22: 49 New
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        The special services of Russia need to act like the Israeli special services to eliminate all kinds of friends in foreign territory in order to show that any planners with performers of a better life for Russia will not exist for a long time.
      5. eklmn
        eklmn 18 August 2020 23: 53 New
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        "... then we somehow with our mind ..."
        His mind was only enough for military products. And agricultural. And what about the rest - intended for the people? Pensions there, medicine, gasification, salaries ...
        "Somehow" affects ...
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 18 August 2020 15: 20 New
      +9
      Russia during the Yeltsin era was in the strong unfriendly embrace of the West. Dreams of a bright capitalist future shattered into everyday life. Remember. There were massive dismissals of workers, enterprises were closed. Workers and military personnel did not receive wages for six months or more. Doctors, teachers, scientists, so as not to die of hunger, went to trade on the market. The housing and communal services system collapsed, villages in Siberia froze ...

      And what now, why the author does not compare with today's realities? Yes, Ukraine was already in the 90s ... but their margin of safety and natural resources was significantly less. Yes, Belarus began to shake, but why? Is it because Russia hammered on Belarus and Ukraine, that Russia has no foreign policy and everything that it is ready to protect only pipes ... and everything that is done in foreign policy is tied to gas and oil ..
      And what about Russia itself? Do we have businesses like mushrooms growing? No, of course, they are closing one by one .. Since the beginning of this year, 25% collapsed ..
      What a not clever article devoid of analysis and essence of what is happening.
      Exactly the same awaits Russia, only the delay in time will be longer.
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 18 August 2020 15: 27 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        No, of course, they are closing one by one .. Since the beginning of this year, 25% collapsed ..

        And detail?
        1. Motorist
          Motorist 18 August 2020 22: 36 New
          +5
          Svarog will not answer, "I heard a ringing", as they say.

          TASS: "2020 was one of the most difficult years for businesses, especially for small businesses. In a situation of quarantine and a total drop in demand, many small companies could not survive the crisis. At the same time, the situation in the SME sector could be much worse - we see that the number of people employed in SMEs did not decrease over the year, but even increased by 129 thousand people - up to 15,5 million ...

          According to the research, over the past 12 months, every fifth business in Russia has closed. During the same period, 848,5 thousand new SMEs appeared in the country. As a result, during the year the total number of SMEs decreased by more than 240 thousand, or 4,2% ... "

          4,2% Karl!
      2. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 18 August 2020 16: 23 New
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        Probably my father lives in another Ukraine. He receives a pension, sees from the window how the DEPO works, in which he skated as a machinist for God knows how many years, sees people rushing to the train to get to work in Kiev (for some reason, not to Russia) and does not know that someone PUP , already predicted the peak of his country's economy ...
        Yes, the neighbors are not doing well ...
        Enterprises are also being closed.
        Also a pandemic.
        And they also "bury" a neighbor in absentia.
        ALSO like ours.
        Thank you, Mr. PUP. Pleased. I love these articles.
        And the hamsters were fed.
        1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
          tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 18 August 2020 21: 03 New
          +2
          Tell me, maybe one of your relatives works at the Kharkov tank or shell factory, gets paid and is happy! Right, you are one of these? Well, which - money doesn't smell?
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 18 August 2020 21: 30 New
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            I will disappoint you - no. What's the problem? I will disappoint even more - I don't even have acquaintances in the PMC. All colleagues went either to the troops, or to the police, or to the committee.
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        3. mister-red
          mister-red 20 August 2020 22: 36 New
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          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Probably my father lives in another Ukraine. He receives a pension, sees from the window how the DEPO works, in which he skated as a machinist for God knows how many years, sees people rushing to the train to get to work in Kiev (for some reason, not to Russia) and does not know that someone PUP , already predicted the peak of his country's economy ...
          Yes, the neighbors are not doing well ...
          Enterprises are also being closed.
          Also a pandemic.
          And they also "bury" a neighbor in absentia.
          ALSO like ours.
          Thank you, Mr. PUP. Pleased. I love these articles.
          And the hamsters were fed.

          I think you are well aware of the situation in your country. It's good that your father's depot is working.
          And now the reality that I know not by hearsay. I live in Chisinau, my wife works in a transport company. They work mainly with Ukraine. The wife is Ukrainian, so it is easy for her to talk to yours. After the 14th, not everyone is ready to speak Russian, even about business. Even with a country whose language they do not understand.
          What in fact? The company has become harder to work and there are several reasons for this.
          1. Bad situation in the Ukrainian economy. Less export / import, less need for transport services
          2. Falling profits, rates and wages in Ukraine. In view of this, Ukrainian carriers began to compete with Moldovan carriers, although this did not exist before, they worked in a different price range. Now the prices are almost the same as in Moldova. I have to believe that salaries in these companies are higher than ours? But our salaries are far from being Russian. That is, you have at least this direction in deep crisis.
          However, transport is in crisis when the economy is in crisis. See item 1.
          So don't tell stories.
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 21 August 2020 00: 02 New
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            My country is Russia. My father is in Ukraine. It happened. But I have been reading the "funeral" about a neighboring country for six years now, and she is still alive and well. And I find out the state of affairs from my father. He is not almond-shaped. If we have increased housing and communal services, he says so. They raised their pension - he also says.
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 August 2020 16: 41 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Is it because Russia scored against Belarus and Ukraine

        Let's leave aside Ukraine, but Belarus has always received help from Russia, both economically and politically. In September 2016, the IMF estimated the total support of the Belarusian economy from Russia at $ 106 billion only for the period 2005-2015, or about $ 9,7 billion per year (see infographic). Over the years, the amount of “total net support” from Russia varied from 11 to 27% of Belarusian GDP, follows from the IMF data provided by RBC. But it is clear that in recent years Russian aid to the Belarusian economy has been declining, and this may partly explain the latest discontent with Lukashenka.But lately Belarus has been showing signs of "political disloyalty" (it does not support Russia's Ukrainian policy, counter-sanctions), and Russia is beginning to limit its financial and economic support. So there is nothing to be surprised at.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 18 August 2020 16: 44 New
          +6
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Let's leave about Ukraine, but Belarus has always had help from Russia, both economically and politically.

          This is not about help, but about what we get in return for this help. How do we influence the post-Soviet countries, where is the notorious soft power? Where is at least one pro-Russian party in the post-Soviet space? There is no this. And this means that there is actually no politics. And you don't need a lot of money to distribute.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 18 August 2020 17: 33 New
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            Quote: Svarog
            This is not about help, but about what we get in return for this help.
            The model of relations can be simplified as follows: "financial and economic support is exchanged for a certain degree of political loyalty from Belarus."
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 19 August 2020 12: 05 New
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              Quote: tihonmarine
              The model of relations can be simplified as follows: "financial and economic support is exchanged for a certain degree of political loyalty from Belarus."

              Rather on indefinite degree of political loyalty on the part of Belarus... For it was never known when the Old Man would turn on the mode sovereign state, sweeping aside all Russian proposals. And the further, the more often he did it.
      4. mole
        mole 18 August 2020 19: 08 New
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        It seems to me that new methods are being written to the previously written manuals.
        The essence of the article:
        Russia has had a vaccine since the 90s, but Belarus and Ukraine did not. Since there is no vaccination, then it is absolutely necessary. For this it is necessary to "let go" of Belarus (let them be vaccinated). Ukraine is cited as an example, the effect is already noticeable, a little more and recovery will come, the main thing is to believe!
        In my opinion, the article is extremely harmful and most likely ordered, the purpose of which is to change the opinion in Russia regarding Belarus!
      5. Vadim237
        Vadim237 18 August 2020 22: 59 New
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        "The beginning of this year, 25% collapsed .." Not 25%, but 20% - and that is a micro and small business in Russia, there were almost 600000 different kinds of offices in all areas, as well as 53000 medium and large enterprises in all areas of mining, construction processing growing generation and production - as much as in the 1990th similar and there were more than 130000 will never be.
      6. DrEng527
        DrEng527 18 August 2020 23: 10 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        ovno the same awaits Russia,

        do not wait! bully
      7. Serg65
        Serg65 19 August 2020 08: 05 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Do we have businesses like mushrooms growing? No, of course, they are closing one by one.

        what You, personally, have long been unemployed ???
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 18 August 2020 15: 25 New
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      Quote: Lesovik
      Thanks to the West for science, then we will somehow be with our minds ...

      You are now living with the mind of people who have Western citizenship or residence permits. So what kind of mind are you talking about?
      Members of the Government:

      Vice Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak has a Swiss residence permit.

      Deputy Prime Minister Deputy Prime Minister Olga Golodets has a residence permit in Italy. Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov has permanent residence in Spain.

      The Minister of Labor and Social Protection Maxim Topilin has a residence permit in Bulgaria.

      Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade George Kalamanov has a residence permit in the UK.

      The deputy minister of economic development, an Azerbaijani Talybov, has a residence permit in France.

      Deputy Minister of Finance Alexey Lavrov has permanent residence in Italy.

      Murad Kerimov, Deputy Minister of Natural Resources and Ecology, has permanent residence in France and Cyprus residence permit.

      Deputy Minister of Culture Nikolay Ovsienko has a residence permit in Bulgaria.

      Governors:

      Andrey Vorobyov Governor of the Moscow Region has a residence permit in Spain and Israel

      . Alexander Uss Governor of the Krasnoyarsk Territory has a residence permit in Germany.

      Stanislav Voskresensky governor of the Ivanovo region has a US green card.

      Boris Dubrovsky, ex-governor of the Chelyabinsk region has a residence permit in Switzerland.

      Maxim Liksutov, vice-mayor of Moscow, head of the Department of Transport has Cyprus citizenship.

      Members of the Federation Council:

      Valery Ponomarev has British citizenship.

      Boris Nevzorov holds the citizenship of Cyprus.

      Andrey Klishas has permanent residence in Switzerland.

      Arsen Kanokov has a UK residence permit.

      Elena Mizulina has a residence permit in Belgium.

      Alexander Babakov has British citizenship. Suleiman Kerimov has permanent residence in France.

      Deputies of the State Duma:

      Alexander Zhukov - Residence Permit of Great Britain.

      Andrey Golushko - residence permit in France.

      Grigory Anikeev - Spanish citizenship.

      Ayrat Khayrullin - permanent residence in Spain.

      Leonid Simanovsky - citizenship of Israel and permanent residence of Cyprus.

      Rizvan Kurbanov - permanent residence of Turkey.

      Mikhail Schapov - Residence Permit for Spain.

      Alexander Kravets - permanent residence of Montenegro.

      Grigory Balykhin - permanent residence in Montenegro.

      Elena Bondarenko - residence permit in Italy.

      Igor Lebedev - US Green Card.

      Vyacheslav Nikonov - US citizenship.

      Alexander Remezkov - US Green Card.

      Nikolai Bortsov - British citizenship.

      Otari Arshba - Georgian citizenship.

      Basically, that's all you need to know about power. And about compliance with the laws of the Russian Federation
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 18 August 2020 15: 28 New
        -7
        You are now living with the mind of people who have Western citizenship or residence permits. So what kind of mind are you talking about?
        It seems that not about your ...
      2. Alber alber
        Alber alber 18 August 2020 22: 41 New
        +4
        You can find out the source of such valuable data, this is, after all, according to the new constitution, a reason to submit to the prosecutor's office against officials
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 19 August 2020 08: 12 New
          +6
          Quote: Alber Alber
          You can find out the source of such valuable data

          How? Do you follow Navalny's "investigations"?
          1. Alber alber
            Alber alber 20 August 2020 01: 18 New
            +1
            I would trace where his unemployed wife gets money for expensive cars and why Leshik, instead of jail, traveled to the resorts of the world before the virus, and why, having a criminal case in his luggage, this misunderstanding still does not expand the White Sea Canal, but I have no such opportunities , and those who have them, for some reason are not interested in this phenomenon.
          2. mister-red
            mister-red 20 August 2020 22: 40 New
            0
            Quote: Serg65
            Quote: Alber Alber
            You can find out the source of such valuable data

            How? Do you follow Navalny's "investigations"?

            I must tell you that Navalny lied so much that in many people he causes such a feeling of disgust that they simply have no strength to watch and read him.
            Personally, I don't give a damn what this one said. He may be telling the truth somewhere, but mostly he is lying.
      3. DrEng527
        DrEng527 18 August 2020 23: 11 New
        +4
        can you find out the source of wisdom?
      4. Serg65
        Serg65 19 August 2020 08: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: Svarog
        Basically, that's all you need to know about power.

        Did Navalny whisper it in your ear? Can you prove your scribble with official documents?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 19 August 2020 08: 25 New
          -4
          Quote: Serg65
          Quote: Svarog
          Basically, that's all you need to know about power.

          Did Navalny whisper it in your ear? Can you prove your scribble with official documents?

          And you will be able to prove the opposite, refute with official documents? wassat
          1. Rakovor
            Rakovor 19 August 2020 08: 57 New
            +4
            And why should we refute? You "farted into a puddle", so give evidence of your "rightness".
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 19 August 2020 09: 37 New
              +4
              Quote: Rakovor
              You "farted into a puddle", so give evidence of your "rightness".

              What for? The main thing is to fart! laughing
          2. Serg65
            Serg65 19 August 2020 09: 36 New
            +3
            Quote: Svarog
            And you can prove the opposite, refute with official documents

            laughing Well done !!!! Vladimir, you are an agent of the Uruguayan intelligence, receiving money for the destruction of Russia from the Sicilian mafia! Prove that it is not so !!! wink
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      6. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 19 August 2020 10: 27 New
        +5
        Greetings! hi

        Andrey Vorobyov Governor of the Moscow Region has a residence permit in Spain and Israel

        This is bullshit - he cannot have a residence permit in Israel without being in the country for about six months
        The rest is most likely the same
        1. Arthur73
          Arthur73 19 August 2020 14: 46 New
          +1
          But non-comrades svarog will habitually keep silent
          Why should he prove the correctness of his statements
          But there seems to be a punishment for fakes now
      7. forester1971
        forester1971 19 August 2020 12: 19 New
        +1
        If possible, I would like to know the source of all these data about permanent residence and residence permit? Perhaps this is true, or it may be a lie.
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 20 August 2020 08: 17 New
          0
          Quote: Forester1971
          If possible, I would like to know the source of all these data about permanent residence and residence permit?

          The source is not a problem, but believe it or not, decide for yourself.
          https://vg-news.ru/n/142445
          1. forester1971
            forester1971 20 August 2020 15: 35 New
            -1
            Do you seriously consider this young man a source of information? I watched the video, but still did not understand - where the data came from. He personally saw passports or secretly the heads of the FSB, FMS and the Ministry of Internal Affairs gave him information. It's very simple - someone came up with this list (the State Department, the CIA, our light-faced ones) and now everyone is rewriting it and presenting it as irrefutable proof.
    4. Roman246810
      Roman246810 18 August 2020 15: 36 New
      -4
      The West was there ??)
      The cow remained in one country, the tractor in the second, and the tractor driver with arable land in the third ..
      The cow, of course, was eaten right there .. And what time should come after this ??)

      Well, who destroyed our country is a completely different question ..
      At least, to all those who believe that now we have a good time - we must say thank you to the West ... because it is thanks to them that we acquired modern capitalism in those 90s ..
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 18 August 2020 15: 41 New
        -2
        Quote: Roman246810
        At least, all those who think that now we have a good time should be thanked for the West.

        Her ... For now "good time" I must say thank you to the people, who after the collapse gritted their teeth and began to build a country on the ruins of the Union. And to Putin, who managed to organize the people and put things in order. And thanks to the West for clearly explaining how the attempts to "make friends" end with it (with the West).
        Quote: Roman246810
        The cow remained in one country, the tractor in the second, and the tractor driver with arable land in the third ..
        The cow, of course, was eaten right there .. And what time should come after this ??)

        Who can argue? It's good that the tractor driver was not eaten right after the cow.
        1. Roman246810
          Roman246810 18 August 2020 15: 47 New
          +1
          I must say thank you for now "good time" to the people who, after the collapse, gritted their teeth and began to build a country in the ruins of the Union


          Everything is clear .. and you wanted the west to grit your teeth and start building something on our ruins .. Hmm ..

          And to Putin, who managed to organize the people and put things in order.
          Well, for Putin, the West will have to say thanks anyway ..))

          And thanks to the West for clearly explaining how the attempts to "make friends" end with it (with the West).
          We would not be friends with the West - we would not have theirs capitalism .. there would be no Putin .. And how would we live without Putin ..))

          Who can argue? It's good that the tractor driver was not eaten right after the cow.
          Yes, some argue .. blame the West for the "terrible 90s" ..
          As if they stole that cow from us ..
          1. Woodman
            Woodman 18 August 2020 15: 54 New
            +3
            Quote: Roman246810
            so that the west clenched its teeth, and began to build something on our ruins.

            No, I'm simpler, I'm not chasing a freebie, as long as they don't interfere with me, but I'll build it myself ...
            Quote: Roman246810
            there would be no Putin .. And how would we live without Putin ..))

            Well, yes, well, yes ... You need to thinner, thinner ...
            Quote: Roman246810
            Yes, some argue .. blame the West for the "terrible 90s" ..

            Amazing, huh?
            1. Squelcher
              Squelcher 18 August 2020 16: 57 New
              -1
              Now the squad will attack you "Give us a job with a high salary, the truth is not complicated and the brain does not strain, educate and raise our children, while we drink beer and vodka after work, give a free education that no one really needs. Why be an engineer if you can be a simple turner to earn more, moreover, to drive the marriage and shake, let the secretary general and the party think for us. :)
              1. Rosko
                Rosko 18 August 2020 22: 20 New
                -2
                You can't write anything smart, ... better don't write
            2. Roman246810
              Roman246810 19 August 2020 09: 11 New
              -2
              No, I'm simpler, I'm not chasing a freebie

              Amazing, huh?


              Amazing .. yes ..))
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 18 August 2020 16: 43 New
          -1
          Quote: Lesovik
          Who can argue? It's good that the tractor driver was not eaten right after the cow.

          The tractor driver simply "sat down on a glass".
    5. bar
      bar 18 August 2020 16: 33 New
      +7
      Thanks to the West for science, then we will somehow be with our minds ...

      The generation has grown up, which found the 90s, at best, in the form of an embryo; unfortunately, this "inoculation" no longer works on them. Someone else's experience is not appreciated, each generation prefers to walk on its own rake. sad
    6. Vend
      Vend 18 August 2020 16: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: Lesovik
      I wrote well ... About the 90s ... As I remembered, I shuddered ...
      It was a terrible time.
      Thanks to the West for science, then we will somehow be with our minds ...

      And even now we have enough rabid and lazy people who shout that everything is bad in Russia, go ahead for democracy, and so on.
      1. dSK
        dSK 18 August 2020 22: 27 New
        0

        Rebirth is possible, but not soon.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 19 August 2020 08: 52 New
          0
          Quote: dsk
          Rebirth is possible, but not soon.

          When the Bandera territories are returned to Poland.
    7. DrEng527
      DrEng527 18 August 2020 23: 08 New
      +1
      The author is right, the only problem is that they may not live to understand, and then they will not be allowed to change the trend! request Repressions in Paris against vests for that reason, or a million-strong demonstration in Paris against same-sex marriage - helped?
    8. iouris
      iouris 19 August 2020 14: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Lesovik
      Thanks to the West for science, then we will somehow be with our minds ...

      Yes, there is no mind and do not wait - it will not. The West does not teach, but colonizes or multiplies by zero. The vaccine should be given to the new generation, but there is no chance of recovery after such a vaccination. By the way, where do the Yeltsinoids live now, in Austria? Recently, "Doctor" Yumashev came to the farm from them. The "vaccination" will still be done.
  2. seti
    seti 18 August 2020 15: 08 New
    +2
    Everything is correct. But you need to understand that a new generation will grow up that, apart from washing the place where the brains have not seen anything from the West.
    1. bar
      bar 18 August 2020 16: 34 New
      +1
      It has already grown. Get ready.
      1. dSK
        dSK 19 August 2020 03: 28 New
        0
        To unite the Slavic countries can only Orthodoxy and the Grace of God.
  3. alavrin
    alavrin 18 August 2020 15: 11 New
    +6
    "I believe that both Belarusians and Ukrainians will return to Russia again ...."
    And what awaits them here?
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 18 August 2020 15: 23 New
      +1
      Difficult task. I would say a super task stretched out over many years in which one cannot be mistaken. We need a strategic action plan and people capable of implementing it.
      These people need to be trained now, their lives must be programmed for years to come.
      Who will do all this?
      1. A.TOR
        A.TOR 18 August 2020 15: 58 New
        -1
        It depends on what you mean by the "Strategic Action Plan" ...
        If, for example, ...
        ... to raise household incomes by 25% in the near future. 5 or 10 years involved in the production and sale of agricultural products and the provision of services to the population ...
        ... to form and begin to implement a national program "your home" for young families near major cities with preferential credit support ...
        ... to carry out gasification of rural houses (with 50% financing from the budget and an interest-free loan to the owners for the balance for 25 years) at least 30-50% of the number available in the next 15 years ...
        ... completely exempt working pensioners over 60 years of age from income tax for 5 years ...
        ... to form a program of financial preferential support for people under 25 when starting their own business ...
        ... to ensure a preferential tax regime for enterprises that use domestic high-tech products (military-industrial complex developments) in their production ...
        - yes, it's a strategy.
        And if "... 2300 Armat, 500 Su-57, 4 aircraft carriers, 1000 Buratin, a bridge to Sakhalin, another 1 (2, 3, 4, 5) gas pipelines, another Sochi, 2 Platon" ... "it's better to do nothing
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 18 August 2020 17: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: A.TOR
          - yes, it's a strategy.

          This is an action plan rather. Which must be said is not very bad. But what would be the strategy, there must be an understanding of what we want to create and where to go and in what period of time. Further, evaluate the resources and understand how much you need to spend them. The resources are finite and they will have to be taken from someone ... the oligarchs, of course, are against returning the national property back, and hence the conclusion that your wonderful action plan is not realizable .. without state participation, without planned macroeconomics, without relying on their own natural resources (which, in fact now not ours) nothing will come of it. And this will require nationalization and a complete change of the "elite" ..
          1. A.TOR
            A.TOR 18 August 2020 18: 42 New
            0
            You see, what the whole point is: at this time (at the present stage of its history), Russia, in principle, is not able to formulate, let alone accept any national strategy. This is neither good nor bad, it is a given. What I have sketched, let's say, is just an example of the elements of goal-setting, preparation for creating conditions under which millions of people can and should gradually turn from objects into subjects. In the subjects of economic life. But after that THEY will choose the strategic path of development.
            But not all there are global projects of the "great empire", the third Rome, and so on. nonsense, but a METHOD, which in the conditions of Russia allows you to gradually change the country to the state that suits them.

            To be honest, I think it won't work
          2. Serg65
            Serg65 19 August 2020 08: 52 New
            0
            Quote: Svarog
            this will require nationalization and a complete change of the "elite".

            Well, speak in normal language ... give a revolution, we will destroy the whole world of violence ... why should we be encrypted then?
        2. DrEng527
          DrEng527 18 August 2020 23: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: A.TOR
          bridge to Sakhalin,

          and what's wrong with it? It's easy to get through money ... bully
        3. Serg65
          Serg65 19 August 2020 08: 48 New
          +1
          what Interesting movie !!!
          Quote: A.TOR
          increase household income by 25% in the near. 5 or 10 years involved in the production and sale of agricultural products and the provision of services to the population ...

          How to increase income?
          Quote: A.TOR
          to form and begin to implement a national program "your home" for young families near large cities with preferential credit support ...
          ... to carry out gasification of rural houses (with 50% financing from the budget and an interest-free loan to the owners for the balance for 25 years) at least 30-50% of the number available in the next 15 years ...
          ... completely exempt working pensioners over 60 years of age from income tax for 5 years ...

          I completely agree with this!
          Quote: A.TOR
          form a program of financial preferential support for people under 25 when creating their own business ...

          So what? Do you naively think that this will help? I really doubt it!
          Quote: A.TOR
          ensure a preferential tax regime for enterprises that use domestic high-tech products (development of the military-industrial complex) in production ...

          what Not even funny! We form a program of financial preferential support for people under 25 when creating their own business and immediately drive them into a stall .... step left, step right, jump on the spot provocation! If the military-industrial complex cannot do what small and medium-sized businesses need, then why bother business with obligations? And if the military-industrial complex makes excellent and demanded products, then why fence a vegetable garden?
          Quote: A.TOR
          And if "... 2300 Armat, 500 Su-57, 4 aircraft carriers, 1000 Buratin, a bridge to Sakhalin, another 1 (2, 3, 4, 5) gas pipelines, another Sochi, 2 Platon" ... "it's better to do nothing

          laughing With this, you immediately crossed out all your theses sounded above !!! good Bravo!
    2. Voyager
      Voyager 18 August 2020 16: 26 New
      +2
      A chance for the future.
  4. Invoce
    Invoce 18 August 2020 15: 13 New
    +2
    When the seemingly “brotherly” people turned their backs on us, called us “shovels”, “quilted jackets”, “Mordor”, accused us of all conceivable and inconceivable sins.

    Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians - one people, this is the objective Truth.
    And it is not the fault of the People that there are characters in its ranks, for money, ready for any nasty things ..
    Jesus had 13 apostles, including -1 Judas Iscariot, who betrayed his teacher ... and in life, 13 - not a lucky number, 10-13% - people inclined to ..., incl. to betrayal. There is no need to judge the whole People by these renegades
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 August 2020 16: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: Invoce
      There is no need to judge the whole People by these renegades

      But from these 10-13%, children were born already in 29 years, and the children already have grandchildren at school. So the percentage will already be different.
  5. Alex66
    Alex66 18 August 2020 15: 17 New
    14
    I believe that both Belarusians and Ukrainians will return to Russia again. But only after they feel in their own skin all the delights of the embrace of the West.
    And that these charms are not enough for us? We have been deprived of our pensions, the price is growing at an outstripping pace, only a handful of oligarchs who trade in the property of their homeland are getting richer. Now we don't even have an idea of ​​a worldwide brotherhood, as in the USSR. We are losing to the west and will soon lag behind the east. We also have a permanent person sitting in an armchair, which regularly promises the same thing (a bright future). Putin's model of development is not attractive, this is confirmed by Ukraine and Belarus, as well as Armenia, Kazakhstan ...
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 18 August 2020 15: 30 New
      +7
      Putin's development model is not attractive

      Why would oligarchic capitalism be attractive? When a handful of bourgeoisie all row for themselves, steadily driving the people under the plinth? Who would voluntarily want something like that for himself? Urya-patriotic cries against empty refrigerators and fur storages of individual characters do not play a fig.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 August 2020 17: 01 New
      +5
      Quote: Alex66
      Putin's model of development is not attractive, this is confirmed by Ukraine and Belarus, as well as Armenia, Kazakhstan ...

      I agree - not satisfied, but what model then these countries arranges ? I can only say, "You can't warm everyone with your warmth." The older brother and his family also want to eat, and will not be able to tear off a piece of bread from their children, and give the children of brothers who have left the family.
      1. Alkonavt
        Alkonavt 18 August 2020 18: 11 New
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        I agree - it doesn’t suit them, but what model then suits these countries?

        Russophobia probably? This is now paid at a very high rate, you can not work, but just periodically bark at Russia and applaud the sanctions and other desecration of graves.
        Quote: tihonmarine
        The older brother and his family also want to eat, and will not be able to tear off a piece of bread from their children, and give the children of brothers who have left the family.

        The times of the USSR are gone, when you come to the union republic and you are amazed .. So that's how they fuse our products and products .. It was not accepted to be indignant, so it’s so necessary We are internationalists and are ready to give the last shirt for the sake of the Country and Socialism! Now our "exes" have already begun to snap back and have sold everything out and are again clattering their teeth and blackmailing ...
        All freebies are running out!
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 18 August 2020 18: 35 New
          -1
          Quote: Alkonavt
          Russophobia probably? This is now paid at a very high rate, you can not work, but just periodically bark at Russia and applaud sanctions and other desecration of graves.

          Russophobia is for sure. They are paid for 30 pieces of silver, no more. Well, some humanitarian aid and salvage materials are sold for cheap. And they will bark for free, they have such an insides.
  6. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 18 August 2020 15: 17 New
    +2
    Yes, analyzes should have been done not by us and much earlier. Now, at least analyze, at least not, but the "train" is on its way! Where he goes and when he will arrive depends only on Lukashenka and the "forces" of external influence.
  7. paul3390
    paul3390 18 August 2020 15: 21 New
    +8
    Unfortunately, Putin's RF has absolutely nothing to offer its neighbors. Both in our country and in the West, capitalism is nonetheless, besides, in our country it is much tougher, and the people are living worse and worse. The West, on the other hand, is significantly richer. For he can plunder colonies, and a lot has been accumulated there .. So what, then, can be the attractiveness of the Russian Federation for those around it? Here the USSR - gave a powerful answer to this - socialism. Yes - many did not like him, but a lot of people - was quite to their liking. Forming an alternative to capitalism concept of development of the state and society. We have practically nothing to offer, discounts on gas and oil will not win our minds. So either we will return socialism, or everything will fall off from us in pieces ... Alas, this is the reality ..
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 18 August 2020 15: 32 New
      15
      Quote: paul3390
      or - everything will fall off from us in pieces ..

      There will be no more, Belarus was actually the last ally. By the way, it is customary to approve and praise Russian foreign policy (as if in contrast to the domestic one), I still cannot understand why.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 18 August 2020 15: 47 New
        +4
        Because this is the only possible plus based on the results of 20 years of Putin's reign. In general, there is nothing more to boast about .. All other types of achievement are complete bullshit upon closer examination ..

        As for the pieces - well, they'll finish eating Belarus - they'll start after us. They will already start trying to bite off our pieces .. Nobody has canceled the division into republics, and who knows how they will lead themselves further .. The same Caucasian republics, or God forbid, the Far East .. In opposition to imperialist swallows - perhaps only a retaliatory offensive, the actual Tolstoyism practiced by Putin, will not lead to anything good. For it is necessary to actively form alternative concepts, and the West should put a spoke in its wheels and shit on its head at every opportunity. This is the only way he understands. So that he was in death to occupy with his problems, and not climb to us. And not the type of partnership and non-resistance, as is being done now .. Even in Syria, we play giveaway, stubbornly not wanting to touch the amers and their proxies .. About the rest of the places I’m generally silent ..
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 August 2020 17: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: paul3390
      The West, on the other hand, is significantly richer. For he can plunder colonies, and a lot has been accumulated there .. So what, then, can be the attractiveness of the Russian Federation for those around it?

      It is clear that there can be no attraction in anything. And they, these countries, are looking at the rich West. And the rich looks at the "poor relatives" and thinks, "why did God send us beggars." And no one in Europe needs other people's beggars, over the edge of their own.
    3. Serg65
      Serg65 19 August 2020 09: 01 New
      0
      Quote: paul3390
      Here is the USSR - gave a powerful answer to this - socialism

      Backed by billions of dollars in loans, free weapons and construction projects of the century ... again at the expense of the USSR! And what has changed? Billions of credits, free weapons and construction projects of the century have been thrown into Belarus ... but nothing has changed! What is the difference between Mohamed Siad Barre and Alexander Grigorievich Lukashenko ...... only in hair and skin color ... everything else is like a blueprint!
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 18 August 2020 15: 26 New
    +1
    In the 90s ... the West is to blame ... NATO troops invaded, ruined the country with the help of their managers ... smile Then they left, leaving Russia on their knees ... The Russian people looked back that everyone had left and began to raise Russia from their knees with clenched teeth ... smile
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 18 August 2020 15: 38 New
      +8
      Quote: parusnik
      Then they left, leaving Russia on its knees.

      Leaving Western managers at the same time, they are also effective managers.
      The Russian people looked back that everyone had left and began to raise Russia from their knees with clenched teeth ... smile

      People began to move to the cemetery .. teeth clenched ..
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 19 August 2020 08: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      Then they left, leaving Russia on its knees.

      But they left the Soros.
  9. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 18 August 2020 15: 32 New
    -5
    Quote: Svarog
    Russia during the Yeltsin era was in the strong unfriendly embrace of the West. Dreams of a bright capitalist future shattered into everyday life. Remember. There were massive dismissals of workers, enterprises were closed. Workers and military personnel did not receive wages for six months or more. Doctors, teachers, scientists, so as not to die of hunger, went to trade on the market. The housing and communal services system collapsed, villages in Siberia froze ...

    And what now, why the author does not compare with today's realities? Yes, Ukraine was already in the 90s ... but their margin of safety and natural resources was significantly less. Yes, Belarus began to shake, but why? Is it because Russia hammered on Belarus and Ukraine, that Russia has no foreign policy and everything that it is ready to protect only pipes ... and everything that is done in foreign policy is tied to gas and oil ..
    And what about Russia itself? Do we have businesses like mushrooms growing? No, of course, they are closing one by one .. Since the beginning of this year, 25% collapsed ..
    What a not clever article devoid of analysis and essence of what is happening.
    Exactly the same awaits Russia, only the delay in time will be longer.

    "Gold words!!!" drinks
  10. Roman246810
    Roman246810 18 August 2020 15: 33 New
    +5
    And this is the beginning of the path to understanding the essence. A person understands reality better with his stomach than with his head. The nineties began in Ukraine. According to statistics, the poorest country in Europe has begun its mental recovery.

    Nothing started there .. Ordinary mantras ..
    You could have heard about the same thing about the Baltics before .. they say, they will all die there if we don't buy sprats from them, etc.
    Then they shouted for a long time that the kakly would freeze .. now, after 5 years, it became somehow ashamed to repeat it ..
    Now some 90s are trying to shove there ..


    Russia during the Yeltsin era was in the strong unfriendly embrace of the West. Dreams of a bright capitalist future shattered into everyday life. Remember. En masse went layoffs of workers, enterprises were closed.
    And how could you break up the country into 15 parts, change the planned economy to a market one, and do without layoffs and closings ??
    Yeltsin, of course, is still .. but what has he to do with it .. With such changes, you will have to survive for several years under any ruler ..
    And there is nothing to blame the West either ..

    Dreams of a bright capitalist future shattered into everyday life. Remember.


    I can remember that now in many topics they write how good life has become under Putin ..
    And I'm lost in conjecture .. so the capitalist future has come to us bright or dark ??)
    1. BAI
      BAI 18 August 2020 15: 44 New
      +1
      Nothing started there .. Ordinary mantras.

      the hryvnia exchange rate against the ruble is slowly but surely growing.
      1. Roman246810
        Roman246810 18 August 2020 15: 53 New
        +1
        And the ruble is falling against the dollar ..))
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  11. Lumpen
    Lumpen 18 August 2020 15: 35 New
    -3
    Oh, how sad it is!
  12. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 18 August 2020 15: 36 New
    +5
    Quote: Lesovik
    Quote: Svarog
    No, of course, they are closing one by one .. Since the beginning of this year, 25% collapsed ..

    And detail?

    Well, from the details ... For example, our company closed ... 15 years on the market in the IT sector, the average WHITE salary was from 75+ thousand rubles ... Bankrupt due to stupid and short-sighted actions on coronavirus ... And what else my 10 acquaintances have lost their jobs over the past six months - I will not say, anyway, no one here believes in it laughing
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 18 August 2020 15: 48 New
      +8
      Quote: Crown without virus
      For 15 years she worked on the market in the IT sphere, the average WHITE salary was from 75+ thousand rubles ...

      And closed in a couple of months of self-isolation? So it is not Putin's fault, but the short-sighted leadership of your company. Can't create a safety margin with such salaries? Most likely, either your management has already looked for a reason to close, or it (your ex's leadership) has no conscience.
  13. Petrik66
    Petrik66 18 August 2020 15: 42 New
    +5
    From the point of view of Belarusians and Ukrainians, brotherhood is a one-way road. Russia should help them. and they will independently decide how to live. Such is the mixture of infantilism and rural redneck. How can you help them? Yes, nothing. Close milk powder to our market, Our farmers will only say thank you, close agricultural machinery, except for spare parts, and leave. It's time for us to equip our house, and not to feed the next 10 million rude and greedy children.
  14. BAI
    BAI 18 August 2020 15: 43 New
    +4
    I believe that both Belarusians and Ukrainians will return to Russia again. But only after they feel in their own skin all the delights of the embrace of the West.

    Once in the West, they will never return.
  15. Wizzzard
    Wizzzard 18 August 2020 15: 51 New
    -1
    Quote: Lesovik
    It's good that the tractor driver was not eaten right after the cow.

    Have not eaten. But the spit was already firmly planted. And the fire under the carcass kindles.
  16. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 18 August 2020 15: 52 New
    -2
    Quote: Lesovik
    Quote: Crown without virus
    For 15 years she worked on the market in the IT sphere, the average WHITE salary was from 75+ thousand rubles ...

    And closed in a couple of months of self-isolation? So it is not Putin's fault, but the short-sighted leadership of your company. Can't create a safety margin with such salaries? Most likely, either your management has already looked for a reason to close, or it (your ex's leadership) has no conscience.

    Everything was simple to the point of banality wassat
    The office was closed for quarantine in mid-March, and opened in mid-June, and the project had to be handed over on May 1 bully
    The project was not handed over, penalties were imposed such that it was easier for the company to go bankrupt ... We even had 1 month of supply under the contract - June 1 ... but ... I only came to the office in mid-June to pick up my things ... before that we were not physically allowed into the office - or rather, all 1000+ companies were not allowed into the entire office building ... and our company was still doing well tongue
    1. bar
      bar 18 August 2020 16: 46 New
      +6
      The office was closed for quarantine in mid-March, and opened in mid-June, and the project had to be handed over on May 1 bully
      The project was not handed over, there were penalties

      Something prevented IT-schnick from working remotely? Our company, as it switched to a remote location, is still there. The management liked it. Until September, we'll see. And projects are handed over, and white salaries are paid, and even increase.
      1. Name Surname
        Name Surname 18 August 2020 16: 59 New
        +1
        and we have the same until September from home
        And productivity has gone up
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        1. bar
          bar 18 August 2020 18: 06 New
          +4
          A strange contract in that case. And it was certainly not Putin who concluded it.
  17. Cowbra
    Cowbra 18 August 2020 15: 57 New
    +4
    It's just that a generation has grown up in Belarus that has not seen anything else. except that Russia always helps them. Generation change - 25 years. They believe that it simply cannot be otherwise, and for them a turn to the west means this: Russia will still feed us (where will it go, it has always been this way!). But we will still get preferences from the West. Everything, you will never explain anything to them.
  18. veritas
    veritas 18 August 2020 16: 16 New
    +2
    I believe that both Belarusians and Ukrainians will return to Russia again. But only after they feel in their own skin all the delights of the embrace of the West.

    Nobody will return anywhere. It is much easier to prevent it than to return it later.
    1. bar
      bar 18 August 2020 16: 48 New
      +2
      The Ukrainians will certainly not return. There is still a chance with Belarusians
  19. APASUS
    APASUS 18 August 2020 16: 21 New
    +2
    Let's go back to the Belarusians. They mildly survived the crisis of the collapse of the USSR. They managed to keep most of the enterprises (now unprofitable and working for a warehouse). They did not have to think about their daily bread, about the wild decline of morality and the rampant domestic crime.

    For all the tempting Western world, Belarusians are well aware of the "beautiful road" along which neighboring Ukraine went to the West! There are also enough people who were washed there, but I suspect that the West has not won yet, if we leave Belarusians to their own devices .................
    1. Fibrizio
      Fibrizio 18 August 2020 16: 34 New
      0
      Do we really offer them something? Subsidies and discounts are over, they are, in fact, at an economic peak. We will not save them (without donating our money).
      Or are you ready to consider the unification of states and from our pockets give freebies pensions, benefits and build their infrastructure?
      This "enterprise" is in a near-bankrupt state and, as citizens, they did not give up in the Russian Federation)
      1. exalibor
        exalibor 18 August 2020 17: 18 New
        -1
        Quote: Fibrizio
        Or are you ready to consider the unification of states and from our pockets give freebies pensions, benefits and build their infrastructure?

        We ourselves earned on our pensions, and the structure has been built long ago ... you will not bring anything new ... so do not worry ...
        Quote: Fibrizio
        This "enterprise" is in a near-bankrupt state and, as citizens, they did not give up in the Russian Federation)

        well, no, no ... then with all reluctance we will go to the west ... there is nowhere else to go ... they certainly don't need us either ... but in 10-15 years they will turn against you and use the two countries as a ram against Russia ... and there will be a war of its own against its own ... as you know from history, civil wars are the bloodiest ... yes you are right, you should probably leave Belarus alone for 10 years ... let's see what happens ...
  20. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 18 August 2020 16: 29 New
    +3
    It was a terrible time. And paradoxically, it is very necessary. We have preserved ourselves, our mentality. They turned off the TV and refused to accept an alien culture, alien ideology, alien propaganda. They gritted their teeth and began to build their country.
    Yes, Belarus went through it mildly, but it must go through this stage too. None of the post-Soviet countries escaped this. Where it was harsh, with bloodshed, inordinate anger, where it was softer, but everyone stepped on this rake, and everyone went through the circles of hell. And who came later, those hangover more severe. The last republic, the last stronghold of the USSR, which did not change its flag. Which way she will go, but as it was it will not be so. As they say, "the last child is always difficult to be born." I really would not like it to turn out like non-brothers, where they still cut live. I would like everything to go well and painlessly.
  21. rocket757
    rocket757 18 August 2020 16: 39 New
    +2
    This vaccine did not take root in everyone, it did not work for everyone.
    Such entertainment as trampling on a rake still remains popular with some!
    Such is se la vie!
    It would be cool if it weren't so stressful!
  22. UserGun
    UserGun 18 August 2020 16: 51 New
    -1
    "Explain that hot water at the tap, warm radiators and a hearty meal don't come out of nowhere."

    Smiled))) Exaggerated, of course, but sounds like from a Soviet film about partisans and fascists: - Ukrainians and Belarusians, get stuffed! for this you will receive a bottle of vodka, an accordion, a warm battery und carov! If you don’t stuff, then we will hang you down with a golof and beat the fat guy with a whip and a baton, on your ass, like in Belarus!

    Was that how you were taught at the planning meeting ?! )))
  23. Name Surname
    Name Surname 18 August 2020 16: 57 New
    +2
    By the end of the nineties, a quiet but firm rejection of the West had already formed. It is absorbed into the skin, fixed in the DNA.

    Who?)
    Stability in tattered pants and with civil rights only on paper, as I understand it, is much better?
  24. Tagan
    Tagan 18 August 2020 17: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: Lesovik
    Quote: Svarog
    No, of course, they are closing one by one .. Since the beginning of this year, 25% collapsed ..

    And detail?

    Details from the liar?)))
  25. Tagan
    Tagan 18 August 2020 17: 04 New
    -1
    Quote: Roman246810
    And the ruble is falling against the dollar ..))

    Keep watching.
  26. exalibor
    exalibor 18 August 2020 17: 10 New
    0
    Can you convince them? Explain that hot water in the tap, warm radiators, and a hearty meal don't come out of nowhere. Understand that these benefits are at the expense of Russia.

    In my opinion, no. How in the nineties it was impossible to explain to the Russian citizens of a great country that Hollywood pictures of personal happiness are just a screen for the plunder of their homeland.


    Do you think we don't understand? Everyone understands this very well ... But what has Lukashenka been doing lately? It aggravates relations with Russia, makes an aggressor out of it ... transfers troops to the border with Russia ... tries to paint the image of an enemy among the people ... Do you think someone believed in this bullshit? His tales have not worked for a long time on TV ... but he did not understand this .... many Belarusians work both in Russia and in the European Union ... and see the situation on the other side of the border ... and if Russia does not take advantage of the situation now how does the European Union do it ... then I'm afraid that yes ... what remains of Belarus will float to the west ... I think that the European Union itself did not expect that it would blaze like this in our country ... and was not ready for it .. .but if they paid money for it ... then Russia can use the result of these payments in its favor if it does not chew snot ...
  27. Tagan
    Tagan 18 August 2020 17: 10 New
    -1
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Probably my father lives in another Ukraine. He receives a pension, sees from the window how the DEPO works, in which he skated as a machinist for God knows how many years, sees people rushing to the train to get to work in Kiev (for some reason, not to Russia) and does not know that someone PUP , already predicted the peak of his country's economy ...
    Yes, the neighbors are not doing well ...
    Enterprises are also being closed.
    Also a pandemic.
    And they also "bury" a neighbor in absentia.
    ALSO like ours.
    Thank you, Mr. PUP. Pleased. I love these articles.
    And the hamsters were fed.

    As I understand it, life in Ukraine is calm and measured, judging by your story.
    Only you forgot to mention the millions of workers. What's in Europe, what's in Russia. Well, these are most likely tourists, right?
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 18 August 2020 17: 49 New
      +2
      something in recent years we have decreased many times .. I think already in Europe, almost everyone who traveled to Russia, except for the oil industry .. so your comment, Andrei, is at least 6 years late .. Anyway, as a fact -for 6 years Ukraine has not collapsed and is not going to ... without tying their policies, the Nazis, Donbass, Russophobia, etc. just by the fact of today .. I think that they did not live much better there, but due to earnings in Europe, I think they did not live much worse ..
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 19 August 2020 09: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Tagan
      Only you forgot to mention the millions of workers. What's in Europe, what's in Russia. Well, these are most likely tourists, right?

      Now it's good, "Karona-19" has limited the workers. My recruitment office has closed. There are 150 Ukrainians left in the entire republic. and even then 16 Ukrainians are being evicted. for violation of quarantine.
  28. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 18 August 2020 17: 16 New
    0
    It's funny sometimes to read other people's justifications that even our inability to select personnel from the start of a post-communist state and the complete incompetence of the authorities (by the way, they were elected in Russia and not in the West, and, like, democratically, and twice) - the West is to blame. Say, look, what long arms, what treacherous multi-moves! Fear!)

    The fact is that our society at that time was the embodiment of unhealthy trash - I very well remember specific movements and political figures, and what nonsense they were talking about, and the people who protested the prohibition of psychotronic weapons, and Kashpirovsky and Chumak, who charged water, and Mr. on Mavrodi, who launched pyramid after pyramid. Also the West is to blame, insidious plans?)
    The percentage of frankly stupid people with empty, washed-out waterfalls of propaganda and pitch-black heads was very large - and the decisions, choices, actions and inaction of these people are exclusively their fault, you should not blame Sotona or the West or the Masons -> and we still live in much of this legacy, even if we got rid of its most juicy features. Is the West also to blame? It's time to start blaming yourself and not blow your cheeks with empty pride.
  29. Russia without ...
    Russia without ... 18 August 2020 17: 16 New
    -1
    The West turns out to be a good thing .. Fell everything on him and okay
  30. Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 18 August 2020 17: 34 New
    0
    Pula's article was VERY disliked. I believe that many of its provisions are false and incorrect, the author distorts a lot, and the article itself grossly distorts the truth. The article is provocative. Many of its excerpts are perfect for both the Zmagar and Bandera press.

    Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are still one people. Scientists say this, the Russian authorities and Putin are talking about it. Although there were events that some pseudo-researchers interpret as destroying this thesis. But this is not at all the case: both in / in Ukraine and in Belarus it is not the people who oppose this, as the author of the opus claims, but only a PART of it, and a smaller one. True, in Ukraine she seized power with the active support of the West and with the almost complete passivity of the Russian government (conversations and diplomatic protests are not counted). That is why the NORMAL majority of Ukrainians called their Russian relatives with "crazy questions." Gradually, these issues disappeared due to the "deafness" of Russian relatives and the Russian authorities. In Belarus, a minority is now trying with all its might to seize power, with might and main applying lies, according to Ukrainian templates.

    And the first blow - a split over unity - was struck not in 2014, but in 1991. Moreover, the main role then was played by the future Russian President - Yeltsin.

    About the "vector of hatred towards Russia." NORMAL Ukrainians and Belarusians never had it and do not have it now. These are inventions of false propagandists for the sake of splitting the fraternal people. Svidomo Bandera and Zmagars are a completely different matter.

    Respecting the Russian people, I would like to note that the author clearly underestimates the role of the individual in history: if Putin had not turned out to be a patriot of Russia and prevented the imminent collapse, then perhaps today's conversation would not have taken place.

    Again, respecting the brothers-Belarusians, I want to say that they are not to blame for many mistakes of the authorities and Lukashenka. And I really hope they don’t have to "on their own skin feel all the beauty of the embrace of the West" that Poole wants them so much!
  31. Prisoner
    Prisoner 18 August 2020 17: 41 New
    +2
    Evil, but essentially true. I remember being very interested in a hot stove as a child. The crimson-yellow color of the metal was mesmerizing. Mother and grandmother had a rather difficult task to keep track of so that I would not grab this beauty with my hands. They coped with the task with great difficulty. Dad, seeing their ordeals, said, let it be enough, otherwise this gimmick will not end soon. Grandmother was smart and agreed, and she warned me that I would only touch it with my finger, so as not to spoil the beauty. I touched. After that, the need to follow me disappeared immediately. It's the same with the neighbors. Let them at least grab it with their hands, since the words do not reach. Experience is a valuable thing and putting your brains in order.
  32. Tagan
    Tagan 18 August 2020 17: 58 New
    0
    Quote: 2 level advisor
    something in recent years we have decreased many times .. I think already in Europe, almost everyone who traveled to Russia, except for the oil industry .. so your comment, Andrei, is at least 6 years late .. Anyway, as a fact -for 6 years Ukraine has not collapsed and is not going to ... without tying their policies, the Nazis, Donbass, Russophobia, etc. just by the fact of today .. I think that they did not live much better there, but due to earnings in Europe, I think they did not live much worse ..

    Come on, at 6. Six years ago, "fun" was just beginning.
    You probably live far from the border. We probably have every tenth car on the road from Ukraine. And they rent a lot of housing here. Many have settled in Russia. Some of them are already citizens of the Russian Federation.
    Yes, there is no Ukraine. One conditional education.
  33. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 18 August 2020 18: 13 New
    +1
    what they did from the ussr in 30 years cannot be fixed in a hundred
  34. imobile2008
    imobile2008 18 August 2020 19: 19 New
    0
    Quote: Lesovik
    I wrote well ... About the 90s ... As I remembered, I shuddered ...
    It was a terrible time.
    Thanks to the West for science, then we will somehow be with our minds ...

    In 90 it was a transitional time. From the USSR, where they lived on 2 dollars a month (up to 15 rubles was on the black market and spent a maximum of 30 rubles) and had their own gardens to survive. By the time they could buy a car, telephone, furniture, shoes and clothes of good quality.
  35. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 18 August 2020 19: 43 New
    -5
    Quote: bar
    The office was closed for quarantine in mid-March, and opened in mid-June, and the project had to be handed over on May 1 bully
    The project was not handed over, there were penalties

    Something prevented IT-schnick from working remotely? Our company, as it switched to a remote location, is still there. The management liked it. Until September, we'll see. And projects are handed over, and white salaries are paid, and even increase.

    There were nuances and subtleties bully We had to write all programs under the contract in the local grid without access to the Internet ... We would have made an appearance from the internal grid - we would have sat down for violation of trade secrets bully
  36. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 18 August 2020 20: 42 New
    0
    "The Nineties as a Vaccination from the West"





    Some are vaccinated, and some are mothers.
  37. iouris
    iouris 18 August 2020 20: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: "I believe that both Belarusians and Ukrainians will return to Russia again. But only after they feel all the delights of the West in their own skin." End of quote.
    They do not return from there. We'll all be there. Amen.
  38. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
    tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 18 August 2020 20: 58 New
    -2
    Come back. Required. And they will stick a knife in our back ... No, complete denazification, deceban and formatting at the mental level. The rest - for organs ...
  39. businessv
    businessv 18 August 2020 22: 32 New
    +2
    They managed to keep most of the enterprises (now unprofitable and working for a warehouse).
    A very controversial statement, dear author! Please do not mislead readers!
  40. Tagan
    Tagan 19 August 2020 09: 11 New
    0
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: Tagan
    Only you forgot to mention the millions of workers. What's in Europe, what's in Russia. Well, these are most likely tourists, right?

    Now it's good, "Karona-19" has limited the workers. My recruitment office has closed. There are 150 Ukrainians left in the entire republic. and even then 16 Ukrainians are being evicted. for violation of quarantine.

    I do not know about Ukraine itself, but the border with the DPR was recently opened. I think with the LPR too. And so, cars with Ukrainian and DPR numbers did not disappear, which means that they were not in transit here.
  41. akunin
    akunin 19 August 2020 09: 12 New
    +1
    In my opinion, no. How in the nineties it was impossible to explain to the Russian citizens of a great country that Hollywood pictures of personal happiness are just a screen for the plunder of their homeland.

    a question to the author: "Wasn't it already so bad with the mind in the 90s? Did the people vote to preserve the union?" many, who studied with me, went over the hill in the 90s. as far as I know there are no homeless people among them, and many work in their specialty, as doctors. geography is different, someone is better, someone is worse, there are people who have returned to their homeland (but, for some reason, with dual citizenship)
    I believe that both Belarusians and Ukrainians will return to Russia again. But only after they feel in their own skin all the delights of the embrace of the West.
    only if Russia becomes at least a fifth economy (at the request of GDP)
    And wet dreams
    about a well-fed, calm life will come true
  42. Tagan
    Tagan 19 August 2020 09: 24 New
    0
    Quote: Crown without virus
    Quote: bar
    The office was closed for quarantine in mid-March, and opened in mid-June, and the project had to be handed over on May 1 bully
    The project was not handed over, there were penalties

    Something prevented IT-schnick from working remotely? Our company, as it switched to a remote location, is still there. The management liked it. Until September, we'll see. And projects are handed over, and white salaries are paid, and even increase.

    There were nuances and subtleties bully We had to write all programs under the contract in the local grid without access to the Internet ... We would have made an appearance from the internal grid - we would have sat down for violation of trade secrets bully

    If so, then most likely something was not finalized for you. Because many companies, and large ones, for which the issues of trade secrets and personal data are no less acute, operate in this mode. Here, remote access issues are regulated by the relevant documents, and, accordingly, by certified hardware and software.
  43. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 19 August 2020 09: 26 New
    +1
    The author wrote everything correctly, but I would add that Belarus is our fraternal republic in the literal sense and the task of us - Russians, as older, more experienced brothers, is to help overcome this barrier and dispel Western dreams. It is clear that it is difficult to do this with these Euronews and Hollywood propaganda, and as they say, everyone should get out on their own. But we must help so that there is no Ukraine number 2. This is our Russian world.
  44. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 19 August 2020 11: 53 New
    0
    In my opinion, no. How in the nineties it was impossible to explain to the Russian citizens of a great country that Hollywood pictures of personal happiness are just a screen for the plunder of their homeland.

    Uh-huh ... here's to go out that year in the 90th at the next rally in support of EBN on the podium and tell those present that they themselves, with their own hands, are ruining their future. That there will be no bright tomorrow with capitalist wages and socialist social welfare. That the majority of the protesters will not fit into the market: their research institutes and factories will be closed and sold, and they themselves, at best, will sell second-hand goods in tents in the market. That from the national property they will receive a voucher for 10. That their savings will burn out, and at best they will receive scanty compensation. And that their beloved leader is an ordinary alcoholic who is fooled by "business people".
    Although no, for the latter they can be nailed. Pravda and Channel One tried to somehow tell about EBN's trip to the United States - with footage of the presentation podshofe. So the outraged public flooded the media with appeals like "he's just tired","he took sleeping pills","this is a KGB provocation - they slowed down the film"As a result, the editor-in-chief of Pravda has left his post.

    Or you can also explain to these Donbass miners, who advocate the independence of Ukraine, that in a quarter of a century they will have to fight with Kiev.
  45. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 19 August 2020 16: 12 New
    -1
    A hysterical woman in a jacket Solovyov wrote an article. His handwriting.
  46. nikvic46
    nikvic46 21 August 2020 06: 28 New
    0
    To call "therapy" a vaccination, in my opinion, is wrong. We were made defeated. By recognizing what we did not do. Hope for the younger generation. They are better than us. Yes. We have a well-fed dinner, we don’t wear rags. But our man knows that all good things do not last forever.
  47. nikvic46
    nikvic46 21 August 2020 10: 44 New
    0
    In the nineties, the West did us less harm than homegrown gopniks.
  48. ycuce234-san
    ycuce234-san 22 August 2020 04: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: 210ox
    I believe that there is no "vaccine against the 90s".


    Then in Western and Eastern sociology there should be one phenomenon and there should not be another.
    There should be regular "riots of the former privileged classes and estates" - in Western countries, many clans and families of the aristocracy and former stellar outsider political parties with a centuries-old history have survived. The "monarchist question" and all sorts of inter-party match-revenge should have been relevant all the time.
    In Western culture, even caused by economic problems, a youth revolt never seemed to be an existential threat to the country, the state and the economy - the French would never fear the death of Belle France when de Gaulle left, here you can still recall all sorts of American economically very difficult "roaring and stormy "20s, 30s, the era of Vietnam. But the Chinese have always historically been very violently stormy and the current situation, despite the previously adopted tough decisions in the Chinese tradition, may historically be a pre-stormy calm. Apparently, there is something like that in culture, mechanisms that need to be developed and studied and which make the natural conflict between fathers and children a source of progress and not dynamite.