Lukashenko at MZKT: If you don't want to work, you want to leave, the doors are open

President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko visited the MZKT - a plant that, like many other large enterprises in the republic, is in a "partial" strike. At the same time, during the strike, employees of enterprises put forward demands not about how the work of the factories themselves could be reformed, to increase their own social security, but about Lukashenka's resignation.

Speaking to the employees of the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant, Alexander Lukashenko reminded them that everyone is a subject of the Belarusian economy.

President of the Republic of Belarus:

Where you rushed, other laws. This is so that it doesn't hurt later.

According to Lukashenka, if someone wants to leave the enterprise, does not want to work, then personally he is not going to keep anyone.

Lukashenko:

Nobody will spread rot. Please, if you don't want to work, you want to leave - the doors are open.

At the same time, the head of the Belarusian state was informed that MZKT, like many other large enterprises, continues to work despite the strikes of certain parts of the team.

Lukashenka, commenting on this, said that “he knows - there are some wandering around, somewhere around 150, somewhere around 200 people.” After that, the President of the Republic of Belarus added:

It should be understood that the “bad president Lukashenka” always supported the extra staff, so that people would not be thrown out into the street, but given work. If someone does not want to work, I say again: we do not force.

Lukashenko:

Elections were held in Belarus, there will be no other elections!

Meanwhile, opposition media claim that Lukashenka “did not talk to the entire staff of the MZKT”. The following statements appeared:

The imported "tihars" were gathered at the site, and the workers were blocked in the workshops.

This information is currently not confirmed.

Meanwhile, it became known that the government of the Republic of Belarus had resigned. This is a common measure after the presidential elections. Now the formation of a new cabinet will begin.

Comments

[Civil]

Everything was filmed a long time ago)

[Tatyana]

They say that Lukashenka is incapable of change. And that he has nothing to offer people.
On the contrary, Lukashenka is still holding the blow.

And what can Lukashenka agree with with a simple young oppositionist - that they will not live "better" by working, as in Western Europe?
So the countries of the West in the world have their own colonies, which are exploited by the West and at the expense of which they do not live in poverty!
And Belarus does not have such colonies of its own! Is it that Russia helps the Republic of Belarus with energy resources and provides the Belarusians with their market. Belarusians will NEVER see this from the West!
The people of Belarus need to value what they already have and not succumb to the Western propaganda of unbridled CONSUMPTION - to work little or not work at all, but to receive more and more benefits.
It is not surprising that there are a lot of young people under 30 among the Belarusian demonstrators.

[Zeev zeev]

Among the Belarusian demonstrators there are all strata of society and age, all religions, nations ... And they do not want to live in poverty without perspective, as they do now.

[Tatyana]

Quote: ZeevZeev

And they don't want to live in poverty without perspective, as they do now.

They have one historical perspective after the STATE REVOLUTION with the coming to power of collaborators - to be "cannon fodder for the protection of interests alien to them", ethnic cleansing of the local population, general impoverishment and sale of their land to foreign western colonizers, as in Ukraine!

[Temples]

Quote: ZeevZeev

And they don't want to live in poverty without perspective, as they do now.

Zeevzeev can you draw a perspective?
It seems that your perspective is worse than the present.

Whose will you be?

[major147]

Quote: Temples

Whose will you be?

From the banks of the Jordan River.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: major147

From the banks of the Jordan River.

Yes, it is there that the best political yeast, embodied in human flesh, is brought out!

[military_cat]

Quote: Lukashenko

Nobody will spread rot. Please, if you don't want to work, you want to leave - the doors are open.

Quote: Lukashenka too

The backbone of all these so-called protesters are people with a criminal past who are unemployed today. There is no work, which means "walk uncle along the streets and avenues." Therefore, I ask in an amicable way and warn everyone: get a job for those who do not work

Along the way, he decided to change the protesters with the striking places. :)

[Arthur73]

He says that he is an Israeli, but he comes from a type of Belarus. A kind of "yasamadochaofitsera", only from Bobruisk

[Alexga]

From the banks of the Jordan River.

No, from the banks of the Berezina River. Jordan is a place of escape.

[DED_peer_DED]

Whose will you be?

He's the same. The most democratic and correct. Oh, not those - the rest, everyone ...

[Krasnodar]

I apologize wildly, but the most democratic minimum wages have 110 thousand per month, with their prices it feels like 50-55 thousand in Russia, so it's worth listening. Yes, and not in 000% of the budget, which the US pays for it, just for every dollar produced by a Russian, an Israeli produces three. No oil.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Krasnodar

Russian

Quote: Krasnodar

Israeli

Who are they ?

[Krasnodar]

Israelis? Jews, Arabs, Caucasians, Slavs, Druze, Bedouins

[ism_ek]

Quote: Krasnodar

it's just that for every dollar a Russian produces, an Israeli produces three. No oil.

In Israel, a modest meal without meat costs more than 1000 rubles.

[Krasnodar]

Without meat?
In the eatery - I say as a keepsake, delicious and safe Musaka + salad + side dish + some kind of juice is like that. The portion will be at least 2 times larger than the Russian one. Shawarma - three times more, with delicious meat and french fries and salads (you can add to the flatbread (lafa) without restrictions and salads with a drink - 900 rubles. In the dining room at the place of work, eat meat + side dishes + drinks - about 700-800 .))

[begemot20091]

The Israeli government has approved an agreement with Cyprus and Greece for the EastMed gas pipeline. The Israeli government approved a framework agreement with Greece and Cyprus for the construction of the East Mediterranean Offshore Gas Pipeline (EastMed). In 2017, it looked as if Turkey would deliver Israeli offshore gas to Europe via the Israel-Turkey-Europe IHL pipeline, since 2016 saw a renaissance Israeli - Turkish relations and even created a working group to prepare a feasibility study (FS) of the project. For oil and gas read Minerals of Israel
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Krasnodar]

So they began to produce gas there a few years ago, when the country was already among the first 22 in the HDI)) And there is nothing for oil

[begemot20091]

Is Israel Becoming a Gas Power? A major supplier of blue fuel for Europe? A competitor to Gazprom? Even ten years ago, few would have undertaken to seriously discuss such a prospect. However, after the giant Leviathan field was discovered in the Eastern Mediterranean off the Israeli coast in 2010, and the commercial development of the neighboring Tamar field began in 2013, the idea of ​​supplying Israeli gas to the European Union has ceased to look like pure projecting. In the USSR, Samotlor Samotlor was also developed in 1965. Israel's potential oil resources are estimated at 4,2 billion barrels (excluding shale oil reserves). ... The offshore Pelagik field may contain 1,4 billion barrels of oil. Shale oil reserves are estimated at 250 billion barrels, which is comparable to the proven oil reserves in Saudi Arabia.

[Krasnodar]

If so, sucks. Aichi may collapse, though ...

[Rubi0]

yes, they have an excellent prospect, opposition leaders will buy a couple of castles near London and Paris, who are of lower rank villas in Spain, and believe them even nothing to come up with, it is not enough just to saw what is, there is no rich world without beggars. And the economy and the exchange rate of the Belarusian ruble will be led by the invisible hand of the market

[Incvizitor]

Well, certainly not from the goyim-Belarusians.

[Astra wild]

Colleague of Temples, no need to poke around: rudeness does not decorate, but here it also casts a shadow on Russia.
Zeev zeev is an Israeli. And he can say that Russians have rudeness as an argument

[BecmepH]

Quote: Temples

Quote: ZeevZeev

And they don't want to live in poverty without perspective, as they do now.

Zeevzeev can you draw a perspective?
It seems that your perspective is worse than the present.

Whose will you be?

Troll, freshly registered ....

[snucerist]

And where did such fears come from? Do you describe your dreams?
Where, in which election program, which opposition candidate, is the nonsense that you voiced spelled out? Take the trouble to quote, give an example.
Lukashenka committed the STATE REVOROT by rigging the elections and rigging their results. It is against this STATE REVOROT that the protesting Belarusians are speaking today.
Moreover, legally. Only they have the right to determine the future of their country in accordance with the fundamental law of the Republic of Belarus - the Constitution. Only the people are the power in their country.
But not the hired manager of Lukashenka, to whom the people delegated temporary partial powers to govern the state, and who has already completely lost these powers after the elections, falsifications, lies and deceit were completely lost.

[dimasik-nl]

I completely agree with you. I myself am from Grodno, and the people vote not for Europe, but against Lukashenka.

[SuraleB]

I support you, Brest.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: dimasik-nl

against Lukashenka.

Who's better? Whoever sells the state property of the Republic of Belarus to the oligarchs of the Russian Federation or the EU faster and more expensively? What about those who sincerely voted for Lukashenka, because there may not be 80% of them, but 50 for sure. The same on the street, on the barricades opposite yours?
From my point of view, which is extremely protesting against Putin, you need to pray to Lukashenka, because he, completely dependent on imported resources, did not surrender the country either to the right or to the left. It's my opinion.
Please, tell me yours, what would you correct from Lukashenka's shortcomings if you became president?

[Selenium]

There is no law in the country. All business and almost all real estate is tidied up in the management of affairs. The construction site donates 100 USD per meter to the presidential club. All developers are hockey players. The entire oil industry belongs to the president's relatives. Has accumulated.
There is no political competition and no legislative power. The courts are subordinate.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Selenium

There is no law in the country. All business and almost all real estate is tidied up in the management of affairs. The construction site donates 100 USD per meter to the presidential club. All developers are hockey players. The entire oil industry belongs to the president's relatives. Has accumulated.
There is no political competition and no legislative power. The courts are subordinate.

this can be applied to any country in the world, only to replace the presidential administration with financial and industrial groups residing in the United States, only the Berlars will face total poverty because they don't even have oil, and the Americans have enough production all over the world without the Belarusians

[your1970]

Quote: Selenium

There is no law in the country. All business and almost all real estate is tidied up in the management of affairs. The construction site donates 100 USD per meter to the presidential club. All developers are hockey players. The entire oil industry belongs to the president's relatives. Has accumulated.
There is no political competition and no legislative power. The courts are subordinate.

if my memory serves me right
- you have the opportunity (quite real !!!) to get free housing? so it will not be ...
- Do you have a free higher education? Yes, with the condition that you have to work for 5 years - but there is. You will not have such an opportunity

well, on the other hand, the courts will not be subordinated (yeah, yeah, by all means ...) and about the oil industry - also anecdote ...

[Plastmaster]

Our example is not enough for them, they want something that is not clear. Just remove Lukoshenko, and why and why they do not say. And they dream that without him it will be better and more fun. It will be more fun in quotes for sure. Well, they learn from their own mistakes.

[SSR]

Quote: dimasik-nl

the people vote not for Europe, but against Lukashenka.

So that's the point, Lukashenka did not create at least some kind of "competition" for his beloved, and thus half-lived a pig for the whole country. The protestors who "get" the power will begin to steer to Europe, and those hard workers who work sefchas in factories will begin to migrate to the Russian Federation and other countries for a better share, and the Ukrainians will exhale seeing how someone began to live worse than them.
Who will guarantee that the new authorities who have not been drinking politicians will not break the wood? Ukraine, power has become replaceable and management is external.

[Achilles]

Quote: dimasik-nl

I completely agree with you. I myself am from Grodno, and the people vote not for Europe, but against Lukashenka.

The fact is that all the candidates are for Europe, if the people say Lukashenka is out, then one of the candidates will come to power, then this is the same thing, you at least understand that they will use these protests about Westerners (Tikhonovskaya), at least you understand almost the whole the economy is connected with Russia, the people may not want it, as you say, but it will get a turn to the West (if Tikhonovskaya comes to power) and that's it, then the collabs of the entire economy of Belarus will begin. The West does not need the products of Belarus, Russia, after such a betrayal as a union state, will also not need it, and what will happen to the factories later?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: dimasik-nl

I completely agree with you. I myself am from Grodno, and the people vote not for Europe, but against Lukashenka.

There are WORTHY PEOPLE in the Grodno region!

And the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Belarus also has WORTHY PEOPLE

And generally speaking
THE PEOPLE OF BELARUS WILL LIFE WITHOUT Lukashenka! AND NO LIES!

[ism_ek]

Quote: dimasik-nl

I myself am from Grodno, and the people vote not for Europe, but against Lukashenka.

But you must understand that as soon as Lukashenka leaves, all your enterprises will be sent for scrap. In the shops of the Rusich plant in Kurgan, "tights are sold." It will become the same with MZKT.

[bk316]

Where, in which election program, which opposition candidate, is the nonsense that you voiced spelled out?

Do these ladies have a program there?
They themselves say that they understand nothing in economics.
Now we will overthrow the onion and then we will understand, we can give the power, and then we will find out to whom.
Pure HONEST scam.
So let's see the Belarusians are suckers or no. It's a pity that the experience is expensive ...

[Pilat2009]

Quote: bk316

Where, in which election program, which opposition candidate, is the nonsense that you voiced spelled out?

Do these ladies have a program there?
They themselves say that they understand nothing in economics.
Now we will overthrow the onion and then we will understand, we can give the power, and then we will find out to whom.
Pure HONEST scam.
So let's see the Belarusians are suckers or no. It's a pity that the experience is expensive ...

You don't have to understand economics to be president. What, Putin is an economist, you hire an economist manager, or several at once, and they develop a plan for you.

[bk316]

You don't have to understand economics to be president.

WHAT TO Hire SOMETHING FOR ANY POSITION IS NECESSARY IN PEOPLE TO Sort out in VVP this is the main specialty he had an apparatus for this from the very beginning he had information in his hands and then messes up regularly. And these ladies in the cadres understand that in management, in politics. THAT IS THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING -these are called puppets. Did you vote for the puppets?

[Arthur73]

they have, the ladies have one thing: I gave this one, but this one I didn't give
judging by their whereabouts, it remains to form a "government in exile" in some poland and yell "all over the world." What will the Belarusians themselves have from the state after the arrival of fighters for all good against all bad? Only if there is freedom of choice, who will be in which country in Europe plow.

[Stalllker]

... by rigging elections ... your proof ???

[JD1979]

Quote: Stalllker

... by rigging elections ... your proof ???

Ivanushka or just paid? What more proof do you need, all have been posted long ago.

[Lopatov]

Quote: JD1979

What more proof do you need, all have been posted long ago.

For example, I really liked the outrage around the ban on photographing ballots
I agree, it greatly interferes with buying votes. But to write and speak about it openly .... It is just tough and a complete loss of shame.

In fact, both sides of the confrontation stand ...

[Grits]

Quote: JD1979

What more proof do you need, all have been posted long ago.

Show us the evidence laid out. So far, only your wishes

[Stalllker]

Evidence that proves falsification, not your beliefs or speculation

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Stalllker

Evidence that proves falsification

Yes, that's the most sensational, perhaps. Freak. Tsoi remembered Scorpions, Presley. I would have remembered Hoya.

[Stalllker]

Who is this eccentric in the photo and whose voice is there? How can this prove something?))))) It's only focused on idiots

[Mordvin 3]

The director of the 44th school, Sergei Pitalenko, who was the chairman of the election commission at this precinct, does not want to comment on the situation.

- Let's postpone the talks until later, when the situation becomes more or less certain, - he suggested to the "KP" correspondent.

Pitalenko only confirmed that the recording was genuine, but noted that he did not know who made it. Some of the members of the commission recorded the conversation without his knowledge.
Unfortunately, we were unable to contact the head of the Oktyabrsky district administration, Sergei Stashevsky. The receptionist replies that he is on sick leave.

- It is unlikely that Sergey Viktorovich will be able to talk to you, he is seriously ill, - answered in the reception.

https://www.kp.by/daily/217168/4269047/
The poor fellow fell ill ...

[Stalllker]

How can you prove that it is he on the audio recording? It's not a secret for anyone that you can make as many staged audio recordings as you like, stick some kind of figure and pass off as "truth". We will not go far, the situation with 33 Russians showed how easy it is to mold anything. So I repeat, this is an idiot calculation

[Mordvin 3]

I'm not going to prove anything. The chairman of the electoral committee confirmed that the record was genuine. Point.

[Stalllker]

Where is this confirmation?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Stalllker

Where is this confirmation?

Do you need to repeat the same thing a hundred times?

Quote: Mordvin 3

Pitalenko only confirmed that the recording was genuine, but noted that he did not know who made it.

I gave a link to the KP.

[Stalllker]

The director of the 44th school Sergei Pitalenko, who was the chairman of the election commission at this precinct, does not want to comment on the situation

since he confirmed, if he does not want to comment on this?)))))) And he is sick

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Stalllker

so how did he confirm if he doesn't want to comment on it?

Ask the Komsomolskaya Pravda.

[Stalllker]

I repeat the question, what is the evidence of election fraud? Except for the muddy audio recording and the correspondent?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Stalllker

I repeat the question, what is the evidence of election fraud? Except for the muddy audio recording and the correspondent?

Pitalenko's initial interview with Radio Liberty. All. I won't answer anymore, I'm tired.

[Stalllker]

Radio freedom ?! Then it is clear, no evidence. Another delirium, like with 33 Russian men

[Siberian54]

"Radio freedom" state radio station USA, as Soviet "state television and radio" -official propagandists.

[Stalllker]

Or is this the speculation of the correspondent? And now yours ?!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Stalllker

Or is this the speculation of the correspondent?

If you don't want to read Komsomolskaya Pravda, look for the initial interview with Pitalenko. Internet to help.

[begemot20091]

Quote: JD1979

Ivanushka or just paid? What more proof do you need, all have been posted long ago.

I would like to look at the laid out, and not overlaid by you here on the fan.

[Romka]

Sometimes it seems to me that they are afraid of washing toilets in Poland, those who themselves have "convenience" on the street. One might think now the Belarusian youth does not work in Warsaw. The claim of the Belarusian people is one - the Belarusians are people, not sheep.

[bk316]

Belarusians are people, not sheep.

I have repeatedly written that this is the business of the Belarusian people.
And my dad does not care for me - he is not my president.
But in fact, I see a choice not between people and sheep, but between people and Rams.

[vitmih]

Voronezh - there is traditionally no hot water all summer. I hope it's even worse in Poland))))

[Arthur73]

When the marked man was going to the destruction of the Soviet Union, he also did not promise that the state would soon disappear and that hunger, chaos, civil war and general poverty would come! For this he received myadal from the Fashington Regional Committee.

[Grits]

Quote: snucerist

Lukashenko committed the STATE REVOLUTION by rigging the elections and rigging their results.

And why did you decide that they were falsified and rigged? Is it just because you feel like it or do you think and feel so?

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: ZeevZeev

And they don't want to live in poverty without perspective, as they do now.

They have one historical perspective after the STATE REVOLUTION with the coming to power of collaborators - to be "cannon fodder for the protection of interests alien to them", ethnic cleansing of the local population, general impoverishment and sale of their land to foreign western colonizers, as in Ukraine!

Good afternoon, dear Tatyana! apparently, these samethey, do not know anything about Belarusian goods needed only in the Russian Federation, about the prices of Russian energy resources, about the growing foreign debt, and much more ...

[Do not care]

Everything about this speech in a nutshell:

[carstorm 11]

and of course everyone believes that they will appear later. only nothing will change.

[RUnnm]

Yeah, people with bright faces, they are children and old people with pots of borscht. Painfully familiar words. Only you missed one thing - the puppeteers of all these wonderful people of the future. Which these people, having seized the power, will simply be thrown away like a used condom.

[Baskak]

Quote: RUnnm

Which these people, having seized power, will simply be thrown out

They don't need people. They need to destroy and sell everything in Belarus, including land. The West will never forgive them for the partisan movement in the Republic during the Great Patriotic War, just as it did not forgive Yugoslavia for their partisan movement.
P / S / Those who are against Lukashenka. Just do not say that they, the West, have forgotten the results of World War II and the partisan movement in the Republic has nothing to do with it. They remember them and rewrite history for themselves. And the west takes revenge on the winners. And he has already taken revenge on Yugoslavia, Ukraine, now Belarus is next.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Baskak

Quote: RUnnm

Which these people, having seized power, will simply be thrown out

They don't need people. They need to destroy and sell everything in Belarus, including land. The West will never forgive them for the partisan movement in the Republic during the Great Patriotic War, just as it did not forgive Yugoslavia for their partisan movement.
P / S / Those who are against Lukashenka. Just do not say that they, the West, have forgotten the results of World War II and the partisan movement in the Republic has nothing to do with it. They remember them and rewrite history for themselves. And the west takes revenge on the winners. And he has already taken revenge on Yugoslavia, Ukraine, now Belarus is next.

You are delusional. Yugoslavia was ruined by internal contradictions, like the USSR. All countries are striving for mono-nationalism.

[Prisoner]

Don't want no perspective? Then they will live with the prospect of adjusting life to the level of 2020. If, of course, they can overthrow the chairman. The neighbors were able to and now most of them are washing themselves with blood and dreaming of life before the Maidan. If the inspirers of the Maidans in Georgia, Ukraine and Belarus are the same, why do Belarusians think that they will be better than Georgians and Ukrainians?

[Baskak]

Quote: Captive

Why do Belarusians think that they will be better than Georgians and Ukrainians?

Because the curators of the West promise them, and the local traitors echo them: "The West will not lie." Only Belarusians will not be led to their lies and deception.

[1976AG]

Quote: Baskak

Quote: Captive

Why do Belarusians think that they will be better than Georgians and Ukrainians?

Because the curators of the West promise them, and the local traitors echo them: "The West will not lie." Only Belarusians will not be led to their lies and deception.

The situation shows that it is already underway.

[Arthur73]

Ukraine has something to strive for. The same Poles assessed the ability of Ukrainians to achieve the indicators of the Polish economy in several decades (50-70) And then either the donkey will die, or the padishah. And no Poles are eager to help them, Ukrainians.

[Prisoner]

What would Poland wish Ukraine well ?! Rather, Winnie the Pooh will refuse honey.

[DED_peer_DED]

Among the Belarusian demonstrators there are all strata of society and age, all religions, nations ... And they do not want to live in poverty without perspective, as they do now.

Take them for yourself. After all, in your opinion, that is, the color of the nation. Take it, color.

[Lopatov]

Quote: DED_peer_DED

Take them for yourself. After all, in your opinion, that is, the color of the nation. Take it, color.

This may violate the "Jewish character of the state" (c)

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Spade

This may violate the "character of the state" (c)

Oh, come on ... How many Jews are there now - salo-eaters from the neighboring "province"?
Oh, so also

I suppose we all respect the potatoes, When to mash it with lard.

[Baskak]

You from the Middle East naturally know better what is happening in Belarus now. Especially who for what and against whom .

[Arthur73]

When their natural representatives are in the presidents and the government, they are even aware of all the plans

[Igoresha]

Is there an average salary of $ 500 or not? how much does a cashier in a supermarket get?

[Romka]

It depends on which city. 150 - 250 USD

[Igoresha]

THX. those. 15 rubles, like my friend in Stary Oskol in a pharmacy

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: ZeevZeev

And they don't want to live in poverty without perspective, as they do now.

but I have not heard something from the "housewife" proposals to change the situation in the economy

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

but I have not heard something from the "housewife" proposals to change the situation in the economy

She says that "Lukashenka's pans are not the same system ..."

[Arthur73]

Why not ??? And "will the foreign countries help us"? One has only to dislodge the dad by any means and suddenly a free golden shower will pour out

[Winnie76]

Quote: ZeevZeev

Among the Belarusian demonstrators there are all strata of society and age, all religions, nations ... And they do not want to live in poverty without perspective, as they do now.

They will sign an association with the EU and they will immediately heal. With lace panties, prospects, European salaries and pensions. They will study at the best universities in Europe, listen to opera in Bratislava and drink coffee with croissants in Vienna. Or vice versa
Zeevzeev, have I forgotten anything?

[1976AG]

Quote: ZeevZeev

Among the Belarusian demonstrators there are all strata of society and age, all religions, nations ... And they do not want to live in poverty without perspective, as they do now.

They do not yet know what poverty is. When businesses close and a huge number of citizens become unemployed, then they will understand what poverty is. And the prospects for a better future will be much less than now. But it will be later ...

[demos1111]

It so happened that the dashing 90, Belarusians touched casually. In any case, in comparison with the Bryansk region. So I don't understand what awaits them.
But what should you do with gifts from the Russian people, given that these gifts were given out on account of eternal friendship. There will soon be no trace of friendship.
And one more fact, here the Belarusians say "either fools or fools go to the army," and the bad ones we have "nyama". So either gifts or rockets near Smolensk.
The choice is not great. Think citizens of Belarusians.

[Piramidon]

Quote: ZeevZeev

And they don't want to live in poverty without perspective, as they do now.

Do they want to live in a European way, rich and happy, like in the neighboring "Sumeria"? Don't fucking lie in lace panties and get 2000 euros. And Schaub dumplings in the mouth themselves jumped.

[qQQQ]

Quote: ZeevZeev

And they don't want to live in poverty without perspective, as they do now.

It is very interesting, and what prospects will they suddenly have with Lukashenka's departure? Is it true that they can then, what they cannot now?

[stalki]

Among the Belarusian demonstrators there are all strata of society and age, all religions, nations ... And they do not want to live in poverty without perspective, as they do now.

Without perspective? And they hinted at the future, the union state had to be built. But no, neither the lukash nor the people wanted, they wandered sluggishly from Russia to the West, well, the braga insisted. Now, if the people lose their minds, there will be a "great prospect" of "happiness for free." And even if they do not want poverty, they will get to know it even closer. Moreover, the West is not brothers Slavs, it is either you plow and keep silent about poverty, or you die free and "happy".

[chenia]

Quote: ZeevZeev

they do not want to live in poverty without perspective, as they do now.

Of course you're right. We look at Ukraine and see the future. The men will work abroad. Wives wash the asses of elderly Europeans, the industry and the bolt will no longer grind. Children will rage (Maidan), the communal apartment is prohibitive (this is Lukashenka for every penny and every gram of oil products fights), pensioners will die out at a rapid pace. Everyone and everything will owe the IMF and other fin. structures of the West, and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the DBR, the prosecutor's office, special courts will successfully (constantly and forever) fight corruption and for entertainment they will all be shown on TV. Well, oligarchs will appear, and they will put the Belarusians in a stall. They will be rowdy against them (and with their money, well, as in Japan, it is permissible to beat a scarecrow of the chief).
New faces will constantly appear in the government (depending on which oligarch's party won), who will cleverly explain why they didn’t succeed.
In general, life will come such that Jews from Israel to Belarus will be trampled back (before the war most of all lived there).
Or not?

In short, Belarusians want an adventure to the organ below their backs, join the protests.
Get it full.

[Jager]

Is it not your "experts" who are helping to find "democracy" there?

[Kazbek]

They want to live in poverty with no perspective, like later!

[demos1111]

Yes, they want to live like in Ukraine. They here polls believe that the West will drive them goods without duties and Russia will leave its markets open. They think they will comfortably go west at Russian expense.
They do not think what will happen to their industrial giants without the Russian market. They have no idea how many goods they can sell to Europe, and how many excess populations will appear who cannot find decent work.
I hope Russia is working out the options for the answer. If not, people will not have faith and Bryansk and Smolensk will be next.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Tatiana

And with what can Lukashenka agree with ordinary young opposition people - that they will live "better" without working, as in Western Europe?

Judging by Ukraine, this cannot be said. No one will live like in the West; the West does not need those who want to "live like in the West."

[demo]

Why are you scaring the Belarusians?
Why do you think they are so dark and illiterate?
And why do you think it is possible to give them advice in this form?

Here is Luke's phrase - Nobody will spread rot. Please, if you don't want to work, you want to leave - the doors are open.

And immediately comes to mind Decree No. 3 "On the prevention of social dependency." This is how the "Tax on parasitism", "Tax on the unemployed", well-known far outside Belarus, appeared.
Its essence is simple.
If you are not included in the group of exempt from the payment of tax, then you automatically fall under this Decree.
Those. you are obliged to the state to pay at least 20 basic units established by the legislation of the Republic of Belarus.
I calculated that this is at least 16.5 thousand rubles per person, for a period of 183 calendar days.
And if you paid, but did not work anywhere, then the fiscal authorities ask the question - where did you get them?
Fine?
How do you like such amateur performances?
On top of that, despite the fact that everyone gathered here is tearing the vest on their chest and drowning for Luka, they somehow shyly bypass the fact that in the Republic of Belarus subsidies from the state of cross-subsidization are being reduced and in the very near future Belarusians will switch to paying all 100 % of services.
Those. what Luke presents as stability and protection of the population, as a "safe haven", as a "rock in the stormy sea" of wild capitalism, in fact turns out to be just a beautiful picture.
That same wild capitalism has long been sneaking up on Belarus and today it is impossible not to notice it.

But the incomes of citizens of the Republic of Belarus will be lower than the average Russian. And these predatory requirements for citizens and for us, Russians, are not small.
Draw conclusions.

[Tatyana]

We in Russia also tried to conduct something similar, but have not yet introduced it.

Then why don't you, Belarusians, advocate the abolition of this particular law? And do not voice it even now! This is very important!

[Tatyana]

Or maybe you just illegally work as a guest worker abroad - for example, in Poland, for example - but you live in Belarus and do not pay any taxes in your Republic of Belarus, but at the same time use all the social free public services in social security?

[Igoresha]

Or maybe you just illegally work as a guest worker abroad

it was generally used super, a Russian dream, like Emelya on the stove, etc.)

[JD1979]

Or maybe someone needs to urgently go to the kitchen to cook borscht. Spruce up to us and use all the "free" public services in social security. Here you eat the brainwashed ...

[Alexga]

This is the whole question. We don’t want to pay taxes, but take out all the social free public services in social security.

[Alex777]

And these predatory requirements for citizens and for us, Russians, are not small.

Then why don't you, Belarusians, advocate the abolition of this particular law?

Tatyana! Have you noticed that you are answering the Russian?

[Tatyana]

Quote: Alex777

Tatyana! Have you noticed that you are answering the Russian?

Who can figure out who is Russian and who is not? The editorial board of the site "VO" removed the state flags from the participants - and to my direct questions to the participant about this, so that I could better understand the person, the participant for the most part either "merges" or simply snaps.
Sometimes I sit and think, this participant is from which country? And I cannot understand.

Quote: demo

Those. you are obliged to the state to pay at least 20 basic units established by the legislation of the Republic of Belarus.

Quote: demo

On top of that, despite the fact that everyone gathered here is tearing the vest on their chest and drowning for Luka, they somehow shyly bypass the fact that in the Republic of Belarus subsidies from the state of cross-subsidization are being reduced and in the very near future Belarusians will switch to paying all 100 % of services.

Well, who is he - Belarusian or Russian, or does he have relatives in Belarus? I decided that he was Belarusian, since he knows such details.

[Alex777]

I directly quoted to you his statement that he is a Russian.

[demo]

Dear Tatiana (nothing that is so cute, at home?).
It's just that, for as long as I can remember, I constantly read, read, read. I've been reading for 45 years.
I am interested in sociology, politics, psychology.
But all my interests are grouped around people's lives. Ordinary people.
I have been to Belarus.
I had experiments there in the Belarusian MIS (near Minsk).
To be honest, I have very bad memories of that period of my life.
The fact is that I lived in the Lagoisk area. At a fairly fashionable resort. And since I was invited by people close to Lukashenka, the host side paid for my stay.
The cordiality, hospitality, almost brotherly feelings dull attention.
Although Russians and Belarusians are brothers, the nose should always be “downwind”.
When the tests were completed and the results were very good, my partners asked for a time-out to make a final decision.
We agreed to meet in a month.
Upon arrival home, I noticed that the laptop was not working as it should.
I had the most top-end ASUS at that time.
When the master, who had been supervising me for many years and tuned all my technique, opened it, then usually a not verbose, self-possessed, highly cultured man covered with a choice obscenities for five minutes, without stopping.
Cause?
Some very bad person or a group of people opened the computer and, having removed the screw, downloaded all the information, hacking into the protection.
To add everything as it was they did not succeed.

Consequences - device replacement.
About 850000 files have been downloaded - on the topic I am engaged in.
Fools thought I kept formulas and calculations on my laptop.
And I know that those who did this are clearly employees of local state security forces.
For someone had to guide me while I was walking around Minsk. And someone had to work with the device that remained in the cottage where I lived.

So the authorities, which are in Belarus today, have their own claims.
As they say, enemies and friends should be known by sight.
And also to know about them at least as much as they know about themselves.

[demo]

I am not Belarusian, I am Russian.
This is the first.
Second.
A person works abroad for two reasons.
Either there is no work in the specialty, or the salary does not correspond to the needs.
As it was said, soon all 100% of services will be paid by residents of the Republic of Belarus in full.
Those. there is no trace of what Luke is nodding to.
Is everything clear here?

The present speeches of the citizens of the Republic of Belarus are just a protest against outright lies.
Including against this law.

And now the link.
Almost 93 thousand Belarusians worked abroad in the first quarter of this year. This follows from Belstat data on a sample survey of households. The statistics include those who have been working abroad for up to 1 year. The majority of labor migrants still go to Russia to work. It should be noted that the data from those countries to which Belarusians go to work differ in terms of the number of labor migrants from our country, as a rule, in a larger direction.

As a reminder, in November 2018, Alexander Lukashenko said that the most important tasks of the construction industry are the preservation and development of human resources. “In recent years, there has been a serious outflow of specialists. In five years, the industry has lost more than 50 thousand workers, the best workers. They go abroad to work. Why are our contractors not visible there?"- asked the president.
Read more: https://finance.tut.by/news635455.html

Isn't it funny to read such a statement?
To be honest, I was struck by the thought that Luka is a rather inadequate person.

[Tatyana]

Quote: demo

To be honest, I was struck by the thought that Luka is a rather inadequate person.

But Tikhanovskaya will be better? If it is focused on a complete rupture between Belarus and Russia?
Who will benefit from this?

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: demo

To be honest, I was struck by the thought that Luka is a rather inadequate person.

But Tikhanovskaya will be better? If it is focused on a complete rupture between Belarus and Russia?
Who will benefit from this?

I read all the comments. We are discussing what is happening in Belarus, what happened in Ukraine ...
But, in my opinion, the whole point is that the processes that began in the 90s continue.
The destruction of the USSR continues. These are not Maidans in individual countries. This is the destruction of the USSR into smaller and smaller parts.

[demo]

Tikhonovskaya will in no way be better.
She is certainly not Joan of Arc, but she should not be such a coward either.
If you got into such a story - the presidential elections, then you should have understood what it is fraught with.
And if she threatened to go to the end, then she would. Moreover, your husband is in jail.
And you need to get him out of there, or at least get such promises.
If you chickened out, ran away and made a statement that further participation in the struggle is not included in your plans, then it was worth stopping there.
But if you had negotiations with representatives of foreign states and they convinced you to give up your words and start stating the opposite, then the assessment of you as a politician (of the possible) is extremely negative.
I don’t want to sink to the level of swearing, but apart from baba-d.ura, nothing comes to mind.
As an annoying factor - it will go, but not for long.
And as a really possible ram for the displacement of Luke - hardly.

[Rurikovich]

Quote: demo

The present speeches of the citizens of the Republic of Belarus are just a protest against outright lies.

100% !!! Whatever good intentions the current government in Belarus is hiding behind, the lie has reached cosmic proportions.

[Sklendarka]

Quote: Tatiana

We in Russia also tried to conduct something similar, but have not yet introduced it.

Then why don't you, Belarusians, advocate the abolition of this particular law? And do not voice it even now! This is very important!

Do you know how the Law differs from the decree ?.
The DECREE stands above the Law and can only be canceled by the person who issued it. Guess who is this? Who is this person?

[Kart]

Quote: demo

And immediately comes to mind Decree No. 3 "On the prevention of social dependency." This is how the "Tax on parasitism", "Tax on the unemployed", well-known far outside Belarus, appeared.

You can try to work. Moreover, there is work for everyone. and then "Decree No. 3" will not affect you.
Or is this not an option?

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Carte

Or is this not an option?

Judging by the crowds, this option does not suit many. They don't want to get dirty. They are waiting for a "goldfish" from across the overseas sea.

[demo]

All right.
I will answer you simply and intelligibly.
Life is not divided into black and white, good and bad, good and evil.
There are also shades.
There are interweaving qualities and more.
But understanding comes with age.
Wait and everything will begin to understand.
However, it may not come.
Then you will remain at the level of development at which you are now.

You are a victim of our TV propaganda zombie.
Which says literally the following.
Everything that happens in the country (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, the list can be added) - this is how it should be.
If a person needs to change the existing order of things, these are promises provoked by "overseas propaganda".
Where is that propaganda?
Let me see her out of the corner of my eye?
I don't see her, and I feel nauseous.
And if I see it, maybe it will throw me up ?!

Yes, people want to live better! And that's it!
Better than yesterday! And tomorrow is better than today!
And there is no gap and will not be!
For Luke said clearly - I will not give you even a dead country.
Paragraph.
A curtain.

Understand.
Striving for the best is a normal striving of a normal person.
But freezing at one point and wanting nothing more - this is typical of either idiots or the dead.
And so, and so - all the same.

I vow for the people of the Republic of Belarus to come to their senses and stop demanding the departure of Luke - this is actually to offer them to freeze at the point where they are.
Because Luke himself did not offer anything new to his people.
And he won't.

[DED_peer_DED]

Life is not divided into black and white, good and bad, good and evil.
There are also shades.
There are interweaving qualities and more.
But understanding comes with age.
Wait and everything will begin to understand.

Are these shades?

You are a victim of our TV propaganda zombie.

For 10-12 years I don't look at the box. I don't watch videos on the Internet in principle (except for technology), so - by.

Yes, people want to live better! And that's it!
Better than yesterday! And tomorrow is better than today!
And there is no gap and will not be!

Their Wishlist is at odds with the harsh reality.
There is no tendency in the world to "live better" an entire country without resources and not Switzerland. To some individuals, yes. By exploiting the rest. To all - no. The law of conservation of energy will not allow.
"It's just the flu together ..." (c) Getting rich all at once, it will not work.

[demo]

Judging by the answer, you deny the possibility that Belarusians at least try to live better?
Won't you give them even a small opportunity?
Well well!
You, as the Procurator of Judea - I said execution means execution. The dispute is not appropriate!

Naive Belarusians.
They wanted some kind of change for themselves.
But the stern Eugene explained to them that their "Wishlist parted with the harsh reality."
Basta.
Arrived.

The head is given to people not only to eat and drink in it.
You have to think when you make such statements.

[Quadro]

Quote: demo

All right.
I will answer you simply and intelligibly.
Life is not divided into black and white, good and bad, good and evil.
There are also shades.
There are interweaving qualities and more.
But understanding comes with age.
Wait and everything will begin to understand.
However, it may not come.
Then you will remain at the level of development at which you are now.

You are a victim of our TV propaganda zombie.
Which says literally the following.
Everything that happens in the country (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, the list can be added) - this is how it should be.
If a person needs to change the existing order of things, these are promises provoked by "overseas propaganda".
Where is that propaganda?
Let me see her out of the corner of my eye?
I don't see her, and I feel nauseous.
And if I see it, maybe it will throw me up ?!

Yes, people want to live better! And that's it!
Better than yesterday! And tomorrow is better than today!
And there is no gap and will not be!
For Luke said clearly - I will not give you even a dead country.
Paragraph.
A curtain.

Understand.
Striving for the best is a normal striving of a normal person.
But freezing at one point and wanting nothing more - this is typical of either idiots or the dead.
And so, and so - all the same.

I vow for the people of the Republic of Belarus to come to their senses and stop demanding the departure of Luke - this is actually to offer them to freeze at the point where they are.
Because Luke himself did not offer anything new to his people.
And he won't.

You'd better be silent about TV propaganda. We know how provocateurs and traitors brainwash you in a telegram and how you incite others to go out into the squares, to go on strikes under the guise of workers. And don't be a star that you are Russian. You are either a Belarusian with dreams of lace panties, or you are a traitor who drowns here against the interests of Russia

[demo]

If you were within reach, then I would explain to you in the same way as the Maestro explained to the infantry that he was Russian when he was shot down on a German plane.

Let's do it this way. No need to poke. Neither age nor upbringing.
And propaganda is like cancer.
Its effect is not visible and not tangible until a certain time.
But there is one point.
Propaganda acts only on a fragile mind, in the absence of adequate education, in the inability to distinguish between the important and the secondary.
And how to determine whether it is present or not?
Very simple.
A person begins to repeat other people's expressions, cliches, which he is trying to squeeze into the Procrustean bed of the dispute.
Here's how you have it: lace panties.
You must use your words, your thoughts.
Otherwise, you can immediately see which record was inserted and by whom.

[Quadro]

Quote: demo

If you were within reach, then I would explain to you in the same way as the Maestro explained to the infantry that he was Russian when he was shot down on a German plane.

Let's do it this way. No need to poke. Neither age nor upbringing.
And propaganda is like cancer.
Its effect is not visible and not tangible until a certain time.
But there is one point.
Propaganda acts only on a fragile mind, in the absence of adequate education, in the inability to distinguish between the important and the secondary.
And how to determine whether it is present or not?
Very simple.
A person begins to repeat other people's expressions, cliches, which he is trying to squeeze into the Procrustean bed of the dispute.
Here's how you have it: lace panties.
You must use your words, your thoughts.
Otherwise, you can immediately see which record was inserted and by whom.

What a naive uncle you are. To whom are you rubbing your nonsense about the fact that only affects immature minds? Do you recall the Third Reich? How the smartest people were washed. Yes, and you come here without a hint of threats, you may be so accepted, but we have for such an article. And yes, there is nothing more "own" except for the remark about lace panties? And then they froze a lot of garbage with a smart look, in fact, they did not understand how propaganda works. Snobbery and rushing.

[demo]

Already good.
I see that you perceive the communication style available to you.
Pleases.
You are not hopeless.
Let's work.
Everything will be fine.

Dear Quadro.
Even rudeness can be clothed in civilian clothes.

So what was there in the Third Reich?
Explain to me, in two or three sentences, how smart Hans and Gretchen were.
There have been no threats on my part yet.
So the article is resting for now.
https://topwar.ru/index.php?do=lastcomments&userid=195821
I wanted to read your comments.
The feeling will not say very much.
A mixture of familiarity, undisguised rudeness, self-confidence, omniscience and illiteracy.
Sparks of clever thoughts slip through, drowning in jargon.
And very often you frighten people with the court.
What is it for?
Mask! Who are you?
It seems that in my life I had to meet with such individuals.
Feelings not pleasant.

[Quadro]

Quote: demo

Already good.
I see that you perceive the communication style available to you.
Pleases.
You are not hopeless.
Let's work.
Everything will be fine.

Dear Quadro.
Even rudeness can be clothed in civilian clothes.

So what was there in the Third Reich?
Explain to me, in two or three sentences, how smart Hans and Gretchen were.
There have been no threats on my part yet.
So the article is resting for now.
https://topwar.ru/index.php?do=lastcomments&userid=195821
I wanted to read your comments.
The feeling will not say very much.
A mixture of familiarity, undisguised rudeness, self-confidence, omniscience and illiteracy.
Sparks of clever thoughts slip through, drowning in jargon.
And very often you frighten people with the court.
What is it for?
Mask! Who are you?
It seems that in my life I had to meet with such individuals.
Feelings not pleasant.

It is I who frighten people with the court ?! Have you ever seen me write to someone else about the court? The maximum that I wrote about the trial is that it is necessary to judge those who offend Russians, including on this site. And there is no need to translate the arrow about the mind. I am confident in my mental abilities and do not consider myself smarter than others and I myself do not know much. But it annoys me very much when they write a nonsense with a smart look, but at the same time the fact that this is a nonsense even I see. And about the Third Reich, you don't know Ribbentrop? Far from dumb, excellent education and not young? And the Porsche? He is also a talented person, but he was a Nazi, whoever said what. And Goebbels? So read what he said, and a lot of truth about fooling people he said. And in yours this is to believe yourself not to respect. Propaganda today works according to Goebbels' patterns, not the USSR. And I do not consider rudeness on the site shameful, which does not in any way ban those who offend Russians, the news slipped to the level of an echo of Moscow and Polish garbage cans. They are happy to be banned for rudeness, but no one for inciting ethnic hatred.

[I AM BELARUSIAN]

Yes, there is work, but where is that150_200u.e. Do you want to work?

[1976AG]

Russians' incomes are also noticeably lower than the national average. It's like the average temperature in a hospital. But the standard of living is determined not only by income, but also by purchasing power, social guarantees. But in this case the Belarusians have a better situation.

[Jager]

Well, nothing, soon you, comrades white-breasted, will arrange a reform after the Maidanaspenston reform) In the Russian Federation, I'm paying for the removal of 1000 garbage from the apartment. Is this normal? There are still signs of state support in Belarus, at least there is no such mess in the formation of such a mess. Not yet.

[Baskak]

Quote: Tatiana

Lukashenka still holds the blow

He is able to withstand any blow. He will not allow the country to be destroyed and sold.

[mdsr]

Quote: Baskak

Quote: Tatiana

Lukashenka still holds the blow

He is able to withstand any blow. He will not allow the country to be destroyed and sold.

What does this nonsense have to do with it? Let's think in terms of legality. From this point of view, what the mustachioed Fuhrer is doing now is called usurpation, seizure of power, rigging elections, illegal use of violence, etc. How many years are there for it? I think, in total, it will pull on the highest measure - execution.
The only source of power in Belarus is its people. It is not Lushenko, not Putin, not the police, but the people who decide where, what and how to go. Point.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: mdsr

The only source of power in Belarus is its people.

I suggest, according to your statement, to swap places. All the DEMONS at once for the presidency, Lukashenka is one to work for factories and collective farms. So it will be fair. And let him try not to cope. You (the presidents) show him, Kuzkin's mother ...

[JD1979]

Quote: DED_peer_DED

I suggest, according to your statement, to swap places. All the DEMONS at once for the presidency, Lukashenka is one to work for factories and collective farms. So it will be fair. And let him try not to cope. You (the presidents) show him, Kuzkin's mother ...

I suggest you just go. You at least read your constitution, then carry nonsense, DB. I will see how you will say the same when you have falsified the election results.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: JD1979

when you will falsify the election results.

From reading the constitution, nothing will jump out of me. As with you.

[demo]

I do not argue.
Only democracy means that the people delegate their powers to the one they choose.
Until the vote rigging is officially confirmed (this demand should be heard in the squares), until all parties are sure that one won and the other lost, until then the power is in the hands of the chosen person.
I also don't believe that Luke has 80%. But my belief or disbelief is subjective.

[www3]

in this case, how should control over the elections be carried out when only observers appointed by the authorities can be present at the polling stations ???? all alternative candidates are planted before the elections! if the law does not work at all in the country ???

in a textbook of ordinary political science it is written that people are a source of power only in a democracy. In authoritarianism, as written in the same textbook, people are alienated from political power. And he can claim his rights exclusively in the form of rebellion.

[Max otto]

Just game, how muddy madam you are. What does Western Europe have to do with it? There is no talk of Western Europe at all at the rallies. You are like a blinkered horse - you cannot look around. The people have one demand - to hold elections, because falsifications are obvious, Lukashenka does not have 80%.
The fact that you see posters in Latin - there are only a few of them, Belarusians are looking for support in general at least someone, in fact, from Putin, what can we expect? Russia has done and by your efforts is doing everything to make Belarusians turn away from it.

[sleeve]

What else to do to make Belarusians "turn". Is it open to the content of everyone to take?

[glk63]

Well, he will have 51% ... Will it make it easier for you? You do not have any sane opposition to the sane same economic program. Only screams, like: "For all the good, against all the bad ..." Obviously, there is no one else yet, all these cries - "Down with Lukashenka!" will not lead to good.

[www3]

when everything is done transparently, then yes, it will become easier for everyone! and Lukashenka too!
you look at least what happened in the course of 3 months. but not the last 7 days!

[Vasya was here]

Russia has done and by your efforts is doing everything to make Belarusians turn away from it.
Can you tell me more from this place?

[Alex777]

They say that Lukashenka is incapable of change. And that he has nothing to offer people.

The offer for Belarusians to stay at home and not stick their heads out is very attractive.
The proposal to leave the strikers is undoubtedly a godsend.
The statement that the demonstrators were beaten because they "rushed" at the police is the best way to find mutual understanding.
You can't help but see that the AHL's situation is only getting more complicated after its such communication with the people? That new businesses are joining the strikes?
Obviously, the AHL does not understand that it will no longer be able to convey its picture of the world. But he keeps trying. Without changing the rhetoric.
Do you think he will be able to convince the strikers to return to work?

And with what can Lukashenka agree with ordinary young opposition people - that they will live "better" without working, as in Western Europe?

Why did you decide that "young people" are interested in Western Europe and life without work?

So the countries of the West in the world have their own colonies, which are exploited by the West and at the expense of which they do not live in poverty!

Westerners work hard every day.
And the colonial system collapsed in the last century.

Is it that Russia helps the Republic of Belarus with energy resources and provides the Belarusians with their market. Belarusians will NEVER see this from the West!

The United States began delivering oil precisely at the request of the AHL.
Nobody needs to invent anything here. Tankers on the way. The states give the AHL a standing ovation.
As for the Russian market, not a single Belarusian will abandon it. Access conditions are a matter of negotiations with the Russian leadership. What does AHL have to do with it?
Or do you think that as soon as the AHL ceases to be president, Russia will immediately close its market to Belarusians forever? This will not happen.
As if mister Zyuganov did not frighten the Belarusians with this.

The people of Belarus need to value what they already have and not succumb to the Western propaganda of unbridled CONSUMPTION - to work little or not work at all, but to receive more and more benefits.

Is that where you saw all this in Belarus? By your logic, are they all potential bums? Unpleasant discoveries await you when you try to explain this to Belarusians.

It is not surprising that there are a lot of young people under 30 among the Belarusian demonstrators.

Not surprising. All over the world it has always been and will be so.

[truck driver]

So the countries of the West in the world have their own colonies, which are exploited by the West and at the expense of which they do not live in poverty!

- Can you give examples? Your training manual is already 80 years old ... In Western countries, as in the rest of the world, people work. And Belarus, like the Ukrainians, like the Russians, for their work, want to receive a normal salary, and not a penny off the lord's shoulder.

[glk63]

Well, the fact that the colonial system was replaced by a system of locating production (real products) in countries with cheap labor does not change the essence of the matter ...

[truck driver]

That is, in fact, there is nothing to say. Countries with a cheap labor force dream of locating production with them, here's an example of China - they started with the location of production, now the average salary has surpassed the Russian one, and you continue to listen to noodles about exploitation ...

[glk63]

In essence, this means that "developed" countries live well at the expense of the exploitation of other people's labor, and not at all because of the "diligence" of their citizens.

[Doliva63]

Quote: LKW Fahrer

So the countries of the West in the world have their own colonies, which are exploited by the West and at the expense of which they do not live in poverty!

- Can you give examples? Your training manual is already 80 years old ... In Western countries, as in the rest of the world, people work. And Belarus, like the Ukrainians, like the Russians, for their work, want to receive a normal salary, and not a penny off the lord's shoulder.

In the capital world, the salary of any employee is a penny off the lord's shoulder, if you are not in the know

[truck driver]

In the capital world, the salary of any hired worker allows you to pay for utilities, food, buy a car and a house or apartment, live in peace and look to the future. Now give examples of a successful life in everything else, not the capital world ???

[Alexy]

Do you mind? Who poured that into your ears?
Do you even know anything about life in a cap country?

[Incvizitor]

This youth seems to be playing a game, they have survived and do not care what will happen if there is a download, and so, everything is not so in life ...

[vavilon]

Judging by your comments that in the west you can have everything without working
Please tell me which countries do you mean?
Since I know in the west, in order not to be rich normally, namely to live normally, you need not just work but plow in the literal sense of the word

[Rubi0]

Yes, the video shows how the imported dummies are shouting to Lukashenka. Go away. the press she is such a press, except for hatred lately she has not prompted anything

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Rubi0

Yes, the video shows how the imported dummies are shouting to Lukashenka. Go away. the press she is such a press, except for hatred lately she has not prompted anything

Secretly entered the territory of the plant, which is seriously guarded in connection with the arrival of the president, and scoundrels shout

[www3]

a factory that produces military products and drug addicts and criminals roam around it))

[DED_peer_DED]

On the

Grazdanin

first

Civil

the second - pay off.

Accident? No. "Citizens" are on the watch. They are working.

[Clear]

According to Lukashenka, if someone wants to leave the enterprise, does not want to work, then personally he is not going to keep anyone.
Lukashenko:
Nobody will spread rot. Please, if you don't want to work, you want to leave - the doors are open.

I also remembered anecdote
The peasants rebelled, took a pitchfork, axes, a cudgel and pushed them to the estate.
They make noise, swear, there is a hum. They come to the estate.
The headman comes out, tries to persuade the peasants to disperse, then the manager - they don't listen, swear, demand that he come out himself.
The landowner comes out, after breakfast, his robe is unbuttoned, he scratches his belly with his left hand, holds a toothpick with his right hand, picks at his mouth.
The men were quiet.
The master yawns, turns to the crowd and asks in a low voice:
- Well, FAQ for you guys?
The men stand in silence. The master looks at them, waits for an answer for about three minutes, then walks away lazily.
The men stand, are silent, then, after half an hour, they gradually disperse.
Three days later, one of the ringleaders is having dinner at home, eating cabbage soup.
Suddenly, in the middle of dinner, he thinks, then bang with a spoon on the table and how he screamed:
- FAQ, FAQ, NICHAVO!

[RUnnm]

Tooting. AGG is playing at the second tempo in vain - the transition to the attack is completely invisible. I have never heard any questions - and you know who Tikhanovskaya is, and who finances her, but you understand that she has no program, that she has no team. Compare Wishlist Belarusian and Ukromaydanov, and they are one-to-one. And not to speak in general terms, but with specific examples, facts. People react only to what they can understand, touch, check - so give them information against your opponent, redirect the protest energy

[snucerist]

Lukashenka has been providing information for 26 years.
Which, judging by the number of protesters and protest cities, has already wept people completely. I'm sick of it.
It is already a shame to see how this person clings to power with his hands, feet and teeth. Sorry sight.
Lukashenka lost. Finally and irrevocably. But - not a man. Can't walk away with dignity. Does not understand. Will not go away.
Yes, it will still flounder while the security forces support. Will show off.
But how much?
How long can you reign over a people who hate you?

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: snucerist

It is already a shame to see how this person clings to power with his hands, feet and teeth.

So, is it really different? Still, they live like this ... They cling to the last. And how is he worse? Not...?

[RUnnm]

Well, yes ... they do not notice how Bush or Clinton bombed third countries in the Middle Ages for the sake of the second terms, but Lukashenka was just Hitler.

[Irokez]

Quote: snucerist

How long can you reign over a people that hates you?

And as much as you need.
First - are you sure that all the people hate him? No, not sure, but speak for everyone. No need to generalize and lie that everything. The youth are rebelling at the core, and all the rest, wise by life and experience of all kinds of restructuring, will vote for stability and peace.
Second - During the global crisis, when the economies of other countries are crumbling, my friend, you propose to change management to it is not clear which one and thereby change the political and economic state of the country (by the way, it is quite normally debugged and working), that is, to further worsen the indicators of the economy, social sphere and stability in the country ...
Third - Yes, 26 years, but the country did not bent economically in the conditions of the world market, remaining almost like a mini USSR. This is the merit of centralized management as opposed to the sharks of world business where the market will decide everything and buy and ruin like all the former republics of the USSR. Name the current republic (formerly in the USSR) with better performance than Belarus (we do not take Russia)?
Fourth - There is such an expression in politics - "Oh, he is with ... n son, but he is our s ... n son." According to the last elections, it is already clear that this will be his last term, but it is also clear that there is only one chair left to sit on, and all the rest should be thrown out as a dangerous seat. But I would also like to remind you of a proverb that is very relevant today: - “They don’t change horses in the crossing”, this means that the crossing is the world economic crisis. Wait a little more and everything will be fine, although it's not bad yet.
Well, thoughts:
After thinking for a long time, I come to the conclusion that having received a passport it is still too early to admit to elections a young creature who does not know and does not understand life with a minimum set of experience. Therefore, I propose to admit to the elections young citizens who have reached the age of 30 years, and not immediately after receiving a passport.
They are also allowed to vote from the moment of receiving the passport if the following conditions are met:
- Service or those who have served in the army, as well as (or) working for at least a year in government agencies.
- Having a young family in which there is at least one child (single mothers are also allowed)
- Participating in national-patriotic movements, societies that strengthen, restore and develop the country.

This is the only way to force ragged and loose youth to lead to love and patriotism in relation to the country, customs and understanding of where to move.
Young people are more active than others, and this activity is controlled by the enemies of the country, but unfortunately young people do not know about it.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Irokez

The youth revolts at the core,

Tuneyadets` Krylov's etymological dictionary`
Parasite
It is formed by combining the adverb (v) tune and the noun yadets - "eater", "hunter to eat", so the original meaning of this word is "one who eats without giving anything in return."

Tunnelian` Small academic dictionary`
parasite
-dtsa, m.
One who lives at the expense of someone else's labor, at someone else's expense; idler, parasite.
"- After all, I must at least do something for the family. Not all the same to be a parasite!" Dostoevsky, Stepanchikovo village.
"Zelenov's suspicion grew stronger: the detainee is a grated speculator, of course, there is a stamp in his passport, he serves, he is not a parasite." Kukushkin, Ribbons-lace.
Small academic dictionary. - Moscow: Institute of the Russian Language of the USSR Academy of Sciences Evgeniev A. P. 1957-1984

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Irokez

Quote: snucerist

How long can you reign over a people that hates you?

"Horses at the crossing do not change"

Actor Kryuchkov was talking about Gorbachev

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Irokez

Quote: snucerist

How long can you reign over a people that hates you?

And as much as you need.
First - are you sure that all the people hate him? No, not sure, but speak for everyone. No need to generalize and lie that everything. The youth are rebelling at the core, and all the rest, wise by life and experience of all kinds of restructuring, will vote for stability and peace.
Second - During the global crisis, when the economies of other countries are crumbling, my friend, you propose to change management to it is not clear which one and thereby change the political and economic state of the country (by the way, it is quite normally debugged and working), that is, to further worsen the indicators of the economy, social sphere and stability in the country ...
Third - Yes, 26 years, but the country did not bent economically in the conditions of the world market, remaining almost like a mini USSR. This is the merit of centralized management as opposed to the sharks of world business where the market will decide everything and buy and ruin like all the former republics of the USSR. Name the current republic (formerly in the USSR) with better performance than Belarus (we do not take Russia)?
Fourth - There is such an expression in politics - "Oh, he is with ... n son, but he is our s ... n son." According to the last elections, it is already clear that this will be his last term, but it is also clear that there is only one chair left to sit on, and all the rest should be thrown out as a dangerous seat. But I would also like to remind you of a proverb that is very relevant today: - “They don’t change horses in the crossing”, this means that the crossing is the world economic crisis. Wait a little more and everything will be fine, although it's not bad yet.
Well, thoughts:
After thinking for a long time, I come to the conclusion that having received a passport it is still too early to admit to elections a young creature who does not know and does not understand life with a minimum set of experience. Therefore, I propose to admit to the elections young citizens who have reached the age of 30 years, and not immediately after receiving a passport.
They are also allowed to vote from the moment of receiving the passport if the following conditions are met:
- Service or those who have served in the army, as well as (or) working for at least a year in government agencies.
- Having a young family in which there is at least one child (single mothers are also allowed)
- Participating in national-patriotic movements, societies that strengthen, restore and develop the country.

This is the only way to force ragged and loose youth to lead to love and patriotism in relation to the country, customs and understanding of where to move.
Young people are more active than others, and this activity is controlled by the enemies of the country, but unfortunately young people do not know about it.

Forgive me, do you want a person to pay taxes, serve in the army, love the state and not have the right to vote? A person loves the state when they are treated normally.

[Irokez]

Quote: Pilat2009

Forgive me, do you want a person to pay taxes, serve in the army, love the state and not have the right to vote? A person loves the state when they are treated normally.

You probably did not read carefully or did not fully read about the voting.
And the meaning of what has been said is that those who do not really work, do not serve in the army or do not serve, as well as who only have fun with girls without a family and children, then this very contingent does not vote until 30 years old because dependents, revelers, parasites or parasites on the neck of the state. The point is precisely in this to restrict the government of the state (that is, voting) hangers-on and parasites living at the expense of others.
And yes - "A person loves the state when they are treated normally", but the same should be the case.

[Sefevi2020]

Quote: snucerist

How long can you reign over a people who hate you?

well, a similar situation is in Russia. The question is not how much to reign, but how to reign.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: snucerist

But - not a man. Can't walk away with dignity. Does not understand. Will not go away.

There are no peasants there, this is a rotten communist nomenclature. They have no intelligence, no honor, no dignity. Only the lust for power of money and dough.

[Incvizitor]

But the yanyk MAN left with dignity, the golden eagle abandoned the people left the country, why not respect this.

[www3]

the problem is that he is afraid, and moreover, specifically for himself and his environment, because so much has been done in 26 years that when all this is revealed it will be a disaster!

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: RUnnm

AGG wasted playing the second tempo

Well, they are not able to understand it.
They pissed away Ukraine, Armenia, now they will screw up Belarus.
It happens because we support the kings, not the people.
And this, in turn, is because the people of our Tsar do not value anything.
As a result, Russia will die.

[qQQQ]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

It happens because we support the kings, not the people.

It is stupidity, it is Russia that supports the people, and the West of the Tsars, simply supports several at once, changing them when the opportunity arises, thus creating a picture of people's support. And we, just, at the expense of orders, cheap resources, etc. allow "fraternal" peoples to get jobs, cheap communal services, etc. Take a closer look, that where Russia left and the West came from, that the fattening population is not very visible, yes, along the way, it is more and more difficult to see it there every time.

[Max otto]

Uma ward, we have here on the farm from where the Internet, only on coupons for half an hour at lunch. Everyone knows why she became a candidate, but you don't know. She has no program, because she was not going to be president, her only goal is to hold normal elections, so there is no command, no program, nothing, and where will it come from 3 months before the elections. Wan is too lazy to understand the nuances, but not too lazy to write... There is no Maidan in Belarus. This is waiting for you in 4 years (if Putin does not draw the right conclusions). And judging by you, your 80% will go like clockwork.

[vitmih]

Quote: Max Otto

And judging by you, your 80% will go like clockwork.

It's not all bad. Khabarovsk is proof of this! Not everyone has blinkers)))

[Pavel73]

Yes! The overwhelming majority of the rebels themselves do not really know what they want. One word in the head - "Down with!". But those who incite them to this, on the contrary, know very well what they need. And for the people - nothing good. Including the rioters themselves.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pavel73

One word in the head - "Down with!".

Well, this is a well-crafted gambit. It looks like just "go away", but many are tired of him, and even many people who doubt will support this challenge. But what will happen "later" is nowhere and no one says. And you need to think.

[bk316]

Well, this is a well-crafted gambit.

So how long can you succumb to this two-move?
Over here on the VO, the cohort is waiting for such a gambit in the Russian Federation

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Pavel73

Yes! The overwhelming majority of the rebels themselves do not really know what they want. One word in the head - "Down with!"

Are they to blame again?)
So you explain to them.
So they pissed away the USSR, we will soon screw up Russia. Do not doubt.
No one needs permanent leaders.
You must know the honor!

[Alex777]

So they pissed away the USSR, we will soon screw up Russia.

You have some suspicious pioneer enthusiasm ...
What do you mean when you remember the USSR in vain?
His very specific personalities were "dismantled".
What does Russia have to do with it?

[Alexey Sommer]

Do you understand what you said?
Ida. not specific individuals, but the CPSU and those who are watching their interests today pissed away the Union.
Ida Ida, what do you think putting a minus on those who disagree with you will save Lukashenka?)

[Alex777]

Ida Ida, what do you think putting a minus on those who disagree with you will save Lukashenka?)

Are you not feeling well? Am I saving the AHL and putting downsides?

[halpat]

Nobody will spread rot. Please, if you don't want to work, you want to leave - the doors are open.

It is not treated he considers himself the father of all Belarusians and everything that is on the Belarusian land and considers this land to be his property.
He built and created everything, including land, rivers, forests, fields.
The people are just ungrateful, like this ... with a "mean mood."

It seems that Russia has no chance to save the situation :( Trouble !!

[Baskak]

Quote: Halpat

It seems that Russia has no chance to save the situation :( Trouble !!

You have no chance of ruining Belarus. The people are against you. And you can dream as much and about anything

[halpat]

Quote: Baskak

Quote: Halpat

It seems that Russia has no chance to save the situation :( Trouble !!

You have no chance of ruining Belarus. The people are against you. And you can dream as much and about anything

I am very offended to see how this two-stalked bulb destroys everything with its own hands, with its own actions.
I am for the fact that Belarus and Russia were a single state, for the spirit of the Amer, as well as the Polish-Lithuanian mongrels not to be there.
But I can't imagine how it is possible to correct / correct what the agrofuehrer has done, trying to sit out in the presidential chair "until Kolya."

[Alex777]

I am for the fact that Belarus and Russia were a single state, for the spirit of the Amer, as well as the Polish-Lithuanian mongrels not to be there.

Well, fine.
God will not betray, the pig will not eat.
Together we will win!

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Baskak

Quote: Halpat

It seems that Russia has no chance to save the situation :( Trouble !!

You have no chance of ruining Belarus. The people are against you. And you can dream as much and about anything

Russia is saving its entire history: either Maduro, or Assada, or Bulgaria, or Turkey, or France.

[Zeev zeev]

As the last week showed, Belarusians are not like that. They really GOT.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ZeevZeev

They really GOT.

Simply put, "got it".

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Clear

- FAQ, FAQ, NICHAVO!

Do you think this is funny? That's how Russia will be screwed up, appealing to 19th century anecdotes.

[Thrifty]

Onion is still the fruit, but in the main, he is right - those who started this analogue of the Maidan, the economy and production in Belarus are not needed! They need a poor and semi-dusty territory, they need obedient, anti-Russian-minded middlemen who have forgotten their past! Now the crowd is shouting to onions to leave, and tomorrow the new owner of the enterprise will tell these workers, who were crazed from what they heard, that he does not need them, and he fired everyone en masse! What then will these protestors sing, where will they run, what god will they pray to, cursing themselves? Luka is largely to blame, but honestly name him now an alternative that will preserve the republic, will not let it fall apart, will not "put" it under the USA and NATO, will not decide for the entire Belarusian people where to go next - to NATO, or stay small independent republic, which the same Yankees will not even close! They need Belarus to deploy their troops near our side, they need the collapse of the republic and a civil war there, because such a country is easier to manage. ..

[NOMADE]

It is possible all this, perhaps you are right. But .., how can a worthy "analogue" appear with such a system of government (administrative resource, etc.)!?.
With such a "power vertical" scheme, there will be no worthy competitors, they will simply roll up. This, including, and in Russia can be traced (

[Irokez]

Quote: NOMADE

With such a "vertical of power" scheme, there will be no worthy competitors

In the established government, there should be no competitors except critics or advisers of governance and development of society. Competition is a swan, cancer and pike that will destroy and plunder.
If you want to improve power and management, then first think about why and how.
"Best the enemy of the good".
To do better, you need to change the previous one and not the fact that it will be better. Just at the time of the alteration, an unexpected or ambush will pop up and it will be worse for you, but they wanted the best, but here it is again.

[bk316]

But .., how can a worthy "analogue" appear with such a system of government (administrative resource, etc.)!?.

Yes, it will not appear. And expel the dad will not appear either
This nonsense about independent Belarus that the opposition carries the same nonsense that the dad was carrying.
This is impossible geopolitically. Old Man is simply a great politician who has been sitting on 2 one-legged stools for 26 years, but you cannot always equilibrate.
The Belarusians just need to decide on the west or east. And submit an application to the Russian Federation or the EU.

[major147]

Quote: Thrifty

and tomorrow the new owner of the enterprise will tell these workers, who were crazy, from what they heard, that he does not need them, and he fired everyone en masse!

And Russia will be called "guilty" for this.

will not "put" it under the United States and NATO, will not decide for the entire Belarusian people where to go next - in NATO, or remain a small independent republic, which the same Yankees will not even close! They need Belarus to deploy their troops near our side, they need the collapse of the republic and a civil war there, because such a country is easier to manage. ..

Tsepkalo announced a closed online meeting with US Senators

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Thrifty

They need Belarus to deploy their troops near our side, they need the collapse of the republic and a civil war there, because such a country is easier to manage. ...

And on the border from Ivangorod to Odessa there will be troops of a very unfriendly NATO. And not very far away then Orsha and Vitebsk are Smolensk and Yartsevo.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Thrifty

Now the crowd is shouting onions to leave, and tomorrow the new owner of the enterprise will tell these workers, who were stunned from what they heard, that he does not need them, and he fired everyone en masse!

They will simply be fired all in different places, on different days. In order not to clump together.

[bulava]

I support what you wrote. It is very sad to see how the gloomy scenario of Ukraine is developing now in Belarus. It is a pity that Father has succumbed to provocations, and the Russian Federation failed to help him make the right decisions. Now it will be very difficult to stop this Maidan. Now Western curators are fueling strikes and the collapse of the work of the largest enterprises. A couple more weeks of this confusion and vacillation - objective economic problems will begin in the country. Actually, in the west they are looking forward to it. In parallel, they will crush the country with sanctions in order to finally plunge Belarus into a crisis.
Now it would be salvation to introduce the CP, to close the borders, to work together with the Russian Federation to identify provocateurs and various liberal troublemakers (it's no secret that various local "revolutionaries" rushed there from the Russian Federation). Well, for the GDP lesson. It is necessary now to draw conclusions and remove the pro-Western media from the country, to resolve the issue with the leaders of the so-called "opposition". But father said correctly. If Belarus falls, then this horde will move to Moscow!

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: bulava

It is necessary now to draw conclusions and remove the pro-Western media from the country, to resolve the issue with the leaders of the so-called "opposition".

Our local "Kurshavelians - Cypriots" and others there, yacht owners will not go for it. Rather, the opposite is true.

[bulava]

Well, with these, too, you need to work and now the topic of offshore has already gone. Soon it will be simply unprofitable for them to keep their money there, so then we'll see how they croak

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: bulava

Soon it will be easy for them

I will not live

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Thrifty

Onion is still the fruit, but in the main, he is right - those who started this analogue of the Maidan, the economy and production in Belarus are not needed! They need a poor and semi-dusty territory, they need obedient, anti-Russian-minded middlemen who have forgotten their past! Now the crowd is shouting to onions to leave, and tomorrow the new owner of the enterprise will tell these workers, who were crazed from what they heard, that he does not need them, and he fired everyone en masse! What then will these protestors sing, where will they run, what god will they pray to, cursing themselves? Luka is largely to blame, but honestly name him now an alternative that will preserve the republic, will not let it fall apart, will not "put" it under the USA and NATO, will not decide for the entire Belarusian people where to go next - to NATO, or stay small independent republic, which the same Yankees will not even close! They need Belarus to deploy their troops near our side, they need the collapse of the republic and a civil war there, because such a country is easier to manage. ..

So what do you suggest? Then the issue is resolved by changing the constitution, abolishing direct presidential elections. Let the president be elected by a council of five?

[svp67]

Quote: Grazdanin

Best description of the meeting.

The situation is very difficult ... Lukashenka is right that if he leaves, these workers will become UNEMPLOYED, this is not even discussed. Since their products went to the Russian army, then with the breakdown of all military-political relations, that is, in Tekhanovskaya's program, the road there will be closed to her, and no one else in such volumes simply DOESN'T ... So even if there were "quietly", and not the workers, then all the same, they "heard" the main thing

It should be understood that the “bad president Lukashenka” always supported the extra staff, so that people would not be thrown out into the street, but given work. If someone does not want to work, I say again: we do not force.

But did they understand that someone would be unemployed very soon, time will tell ...
One should not forget that in Belarus you cannot hang out for a long time, you fall into the category of "parasites" and you start paying a fine ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

Since their products went to the Russian army, then with the breakdown of all military-political relations, that is, in Tekhanovskaya's program, the road there will be closed to her, and no one else needs it in such volumes.

A good example is Yuzhmash and Nikolaev Shipyard with the Zorya ship turbine plant.

[svp67]

Quote: tihonmarine

A good example is Yuzhmash and Nikolaev Shipyard with the Zorya ship turbine plant.

Motor Sich, Antonov, and hundreds of other military-industrial complex enterprises ...

[saigon]

Yes, the problem is that Russia subsidizes the economy of Belarus, in various explicit and implicit ways.
An important role is played by transit from Europe to Russia and vice versa, that is, without Russia, the economy will not export.
At the same time, the Belarusians want to be a STATE separate from anyone else, while their president wants to rule forever, snapping at Russia.
All these factors should be taken into account, and not only the slogans of the stand and the other side, they lie for both the Batkovites and the anti-Batkovites.
In any scenario, a unified state will not be Lukashenka wants to rule, the opposition is looking to the West, who is for a separate Belarus, that the slogans about a unified state are not visible at all.
So NATO tanks and creepy Polish warriors are secondary at the moment.
Daddy, out of habit, will milk Russia from time to time showing us his teeth.
Those who are against him will also use us for their economic goals.

[svp67]

Quote: saigon

In any case, there will be no single state Lukashenka wants to rule,

Yes, now there is a chance ...

[Reptiloid]

Quote: svp67

Quote: saigon

In any case, there will be no single state Lukashenka wants to rule,

Yes, now there is a chance ...

I want to add about a single state. As if Belarus is now a completely separate state? As they wrote and said before many times ------ its economy is so strongly connected with the Russian Federation that a one-time break will not bring anything good. Of course, the Russian Federation will replace Belarusian goods at the expense of its own production, perhaps this will happen very quickly ..... but what about Belarus? Remember the underbalances ...

[Andobor]

To Poland - to pick strawberries.

[major147]

Quote: Andobor

To Poland - to pick strawberries.

There will not be enough strawberries for everyone, you will have to compete for a place in the garden "with free Ukrainians."

[beeper]

Quote: major147

Quote: Andobor

To Poland - to pick strawberries.

There will not be enough strawberries for everyone, you will have to compete for a place in the garden "with free Ukrainians."

So the Poles are already openly writing about this, dreaming of the "post-Maidan" influx of the mass of Belarusian unemployed!
They are glad that thanks to such a competition that has arisen, it will be possible to choose for themselves a better and more qualified one (after all, not only on the beds, but also on the Polish factories, workers are also required - and qualified specialists from BelAZ and MZKT are much better suited to them than the Galician villagers, so and they write that these Banderaites are not to their liking!) slaveforce and pay less migrant workers!
But the Belarusian maydauns (who are not from a bunch of biased parasites and extremists-sociopaths, but from ordinary hard workers and common people who do not think with their own heads), I see, our sad Ukrainian "post-Maidan experience" did not become a science, they want to find their "adventures on the social media" ....?!

[svp67]

Quote: Andobor

To Poland - to pick strawberries.

There, as in the Czech Republic, Spain, Portugal and Italy, everything is occupied by Ukrainians. And the EU does not need potatoes, Poland supplies them there and this is its "glade"

[Bar1]

These hard workers have no brains. Yes, Father overdid it with his 80%, but what do they want with these changes? As in Ukraine, what would Belarusians start to fight with Russians? To turn to the west, close factories and go to wash the toilets in the west, is that what they want? After all, there is an example of what the Maidans lead to, this is Ukraine, there were Ukrainians, they became Ukrainian (it’s necessary that the topvo prohibits telling the truth). There were large Ukrainian factories, now they are gone, there were engineering schools, now they are not.
Belarus is a small, weak and resource-poor country, one must sit quietly and not stick out. And this Polish-Belarusian flag must be burned wherever it appears. This is a symbol of discord.

[Sefevi2020]

Quote: Grazdanin

Best description of the meeting.

During all these days he saw that the people did not love him. This he will perceive as a betrayal. If earlier he strangled officials for the sake of commoners, then after that he will act on the principle of how many wolves do not feed. Now, the affairs of the commoners will be deplorable. This is on the one hand. On the other hand, well, he will leave, a new government will come, and the new government, as I see it, did not have time to finish the elections and have already fled to Europe. Saddam and Gaddafi were also considered dictators, well, they were removed, what in the end? Mess. Libya was one of the most successful countries in Africa and the Iraqi real was more expensive than a dollar ... Bottom line? Also a mess. Afghanistan at one time was a very quiet country. The Americans who considered Hezbollah to be radishes, in their time, drug plantations were destroyed and severely punished ... They brought a pro-American .... What in the end? The drug trade began to flourish, it came to the point that the White House openly said that opium plantations are the income of the population, so we will not destroy it. What to say? Maybe these dictators are not so bad? I liked Lukashenko because he made Belarus clean, factories, factories, I really liked the quality of their products. They weren't hysterical. He followed everything. If not his bargaining relations with Russia, he is not even very bad. I don't know, we'll see what happens ...

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Grazdanin

Best description of the meeting.

One must think that these are "imported chihari" shouting!

[Alex Justice]

They tell him to leave, he answers, who does not want to work, leave. You turned on the fool?

[Vend]

"The imported" tihars "were gathered at the site, and the workers were blocked in the workshops."
Who would doubt such conclusions of the opposition?

[Pereira]

Chihari shouts - Go away? Indeed, they do not shout loudly.

[Romka]

People shouted "new elections" to him, and do you know what he answered? "new elections, if only you kill me!"
This is a diagnosis.

[Prisoner]

By themselves, as they say, they judge. Surely in their training manuals it is written how and where to transfer the prepared groups.

[Livonetc]

Something does not reach Lukashenka.
Apparently he was hewn out of a log by the Belarusian dad Carlo.
Not capable of change.
And there is nothing to offer people.
At one time, I had the opportunity to discuss for a long time with one high-ranking person.
In the discussion, I tried to convey to him that people need an incentive.
He replied that he had it.
It's a stick.
I objected that even a donkey needs a carrot.
But he retorted by stating.
I have a better incentive.
I have a big stick!

[DenZ]

Quote: Livonetc

And there is nothing to offer people.

And what do these people offer besides that he leaves? Well, that's just curious, constructive? It seems that there are constructive proposals = 0 (zero). They just do not want dad and that's it. Well, state affairs are not resolved (I want to not)

[Ingenegr]

In 91-92, they decided so, in general. Everyone immediately felt good, didn't they?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ingenegr

Everyone immediately felt good, didn't they?

And they remember all these years with joy. Or ???

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: DenZ

They just do not want dad and that's it. Well, state affairs are not resolved (I want to not)

Actually, this is how things are decided. If according to the Constitution and the law. Doesn't the people want the dad? So - get out. And dad went out, and not the people, as follows from your statements,

Quote: DenZ

And what do these people offer besides that he leaves?

Elections without falsification. So that the one who they elect rules, and not the one who commands the Central Executive Committee. What? Want too much?

Quote: DenZ

It seems that there are constructive suggestions = 0

Zero constructive, this is for drowning a lukashonka. Which Belarusians do not want categorically. Don't you understand that no agitation of the mysterious West is needed :? We ourselves are bringing up Russophobia in the countries of the former USSR. Why then deciding that we, from Russia, know better how to live for Belarusians.

[DenZ]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Zero constructive, this is for drowning a lukashonka. Which Belarusians do not want categorically

Well, not everyone wants Lukashenka. This is an axiom. And yet, about the construct, please ... You also bypassed this in your answers. talking only about the fact that we are from Russia educate and impose something there. Well, life is a struggle, do not forget! We will not impose, so our "partners" will impose Or do you disagree with something? Or do you think that the people of Belarus entirely want a pro-Western ruler? Or another Lukashenko, running back and forth (but gravitating towards Russia). Those who do not say what they are offering are offering a pig in a poke. And even those who talk about their political program are not sure that they will fulfill it. Old Man is right, all sorts of Tikhanovskys will lead Belarus along the path of Ukraine, this is absolutely unambiguous, not immediately, but in stages they will lead. And the same MZKT will receive a salary with cardan shafts remembering how they rode against Lukashenka.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: DenZ

Well, not everyone wants Lukashenka.

In Minsk, about 10% came out against rallies. Not voters, the population. Voters under 20. Ie. all who, according to the Belarusian CEC, voted against. Em. Unscientific fiction.
But in general, the output of 10% of the population to an active protest .... This is generally beyond the bounds. Such figures speak of support for Lukashenka, at the level of statistical error. For active protest can be 1 in 5-10, that's just the nature of human characters. And the data is typical not only for the capital. In Brest the same 10%.

Quote: DenZ

We will not impose, so our "partners" will impose

And they do not need to impose anything. It is enough to screen the comms with VO, and spread them for review. In Belarus. What do you think will be the reaction of those very Belarusians? By the way, the protesters are very peaceful and correct. Unlike the same yellow vests, which only the lazy here does not remember. the very vests that smashed shops, smashed infrastructure into trash, attacked the police first, etc. What will be the reaction of those very Belarusians, when the softest thing that is offered at the VO is to do with them - to spank them on the square, and some agree to "wind up on caterpillars". And to shoot them all, in every topic and not once sounds. When the population of an entire country, wanting only fair elections, is like that through the lip, contemptuously, skakuasami, maydaunami, the fifth column, etc. dignify. Do you think the State Department has a lot of work to do after the comments from VO? I will repeat myself. The best agent of the State Department is a leavened Russian patriot. No one can inflict more harm on Russia than him.

Quote: DenZ

Or do you think that the people of Belarus entirely want a pro-Western ruler?

The people of Belarus, not entirely true, only 2 / 3-4 / 5, simply do not want a collective farmer. He doesn't want to, and that's it. He is sick of the people. Remember the balance of power at the rallies. For a lukosha - 65 thousand across the country, and this is with the involvement of an admin resource, against - 200 thousand in one Minsk. And what kind of new leader will be ... Although ... Our Russian efforts make the probability of a pro-Western Russophobe higher every day. Do you think the Belarusians will quickly forget Putin that he instantly recognized the one whom the people do not want to see?

Quote: DenZ

Old Man is right - all sorts of Tikhanovskys will lead Belarus along the path of Ukraine

But it was necessary not to lick in the gums. Quarter of century. With those who at the moment are the main Russophobe of Belarus (we recall his pre-election anti-Russian hysteria, purely vnaukraina sample 2014-15, now even Kiev is much more loving Moscow dad). And it was necessary to engage in the selection of elites. That is what the USA and Europe are doing. Then there would be no choice now. Either to drown for the father, causing hatred of Belarusians, or to do nothing at all. And one could calmly press for an adequate pro-Russian candidate who has, if not universal, then broad support. But it’s really necessary to work, and not to express doubts and fears from the rostrum of the UN, in between drinking coffee, with the American mentors of your beloved daughter. Raised such Russophobes as Bzezhinsky and Albright.

[DenZ]

Quote: Lannan Shi

It is enough to screen the comms with VO, and spread them for review. In Belarus. What do you think will be the reaction of those very Belarusians?

Well, this will not be right at all.

Quote: Lannan Shi

he simply does not want a collective farmer. He doesn't want to, and that's it. He is sick of the people

It is also good for the people to understand what does he want and not only what he does not want. Because those who do not understand what they want are the basis of the protest. If one understands by protest only the slogans "Leave Lukashenko" What's next? Yes, and with collective farms in Belarus, everything seems to be in order and with machine building

Quote: Lannan Shi

But I shouldn't have licked my gums

Well, this is from the category of what would happen if. It is what it is.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: DenZ

Well, this will not be right at all.

Simply put - brothers Belarusians, we love you so much, we love you so much that you better not know how much we love you. And then at least make friends with the State Department, even with the underworld, if only to get away from our love.

Quote: DenZ

It is also good for the people to understand what they want and not just what they do not want.

The people simply do not want lukash, because everything, its economy and politics have exhausted themselves. Everything, a dead end, stagnation and degradation.

Quote: DenZ

Yes, and with collective farms in Belarus, everything seems to be in order and with machine building

Nothing is in order there. And it was never okay. I'll tell you more. There, even in theory, nothing can be in order. That's just impossible. Due to the small population. Without an alliance, close, even with Russia, even with Europe, even with the Martians, the most powerful projects that can pay off, with such a narrow market, are at the level - let's open a couple of service stations and heels of barbecue. That, however, is demonstrated throughout the 26 years of the basket's reign. Up to a quarter of the economy of the Republic of Belarus functions exclusively due to the support of the Russian Federation. And even then .... Have you ever been to Moscow / Okolomoskovsk hostels? In 2014, when they were sent from all branches to be reinforced in the MSC, she drove the workers to settle in one such in Reutov. Before us, the Belarusians were brought. Gently asked the commandant how many of them were available. About 300 out of 1000 residents. And this is just 1 hostel. And so ... According to the most conservative estimates, half a million Belarusians from the country dumped to work. Do you understand? Every tenth is able to work. Minimum. This is not even the Ukraine and Romania, it is the level of Uzbeks and Tajiks. Here it is yours - everything seems to be fine there. Doesn't bother the people when everything is good. Only when everything in the range from - oh, how bad, to - PPC sailed. And history knows no other examples. It's just that it's fashionable now to talk about the almighty State Department, who forced the fools bursting with caviar and sturgeon from gluttony to get out from under the chinchilla blankets and go and kill the benefactor. And in fact, when everything is fine with a person, you only drive him out to protest with machine guns. And even then .... The infection will run away, at the first opportunity. To crawl under the blanket and digest caviar in silence. Here is such a stupid human nature. And to say the opposite ... It's like to say that the moon is made of cheese, and the stars are screwed to the sky with screws.
This concludes. For tired of the common truths to explain.
Dixi.

[DED_peer_DED]

When the population of an entire country wants only fair elections

Yeah. This has never happened anywhere, but you will. For the first time in the World! Fair elections!
Simply, some kind of general "happy childhood".
Is this Topvar? Or the telegram channel of Kindergarten # 3?

[alexmach]

I agree with everything that I have written, but I don’t understand how you combine the calls “not to interfere in the affairs of Belarusians” and

And it was necessary to engage in the selection of elites. What the same usa and Europe are doing

And also the question of how to do it technically, especially when Lukashenka is sharply kicking.

[Okolotochny]

that we, from Russia,

Posted by Svidomo from Ukraine. Interesting.

[Living7111972]

I do not want to either, because a cunning one is pretty and the most despicable can answer the kindest

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Elections without falsification.

And where have you seen this? Maybe in France or (oh, I'll say it quietly) across the river.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Elections without falsification. So that whoever they choose rules

"they" who is this? Balts and Poland have allocated 11 euros for democracy in Balorussia?

[Maxim L]

We don't just don't want Old Man. We want there to be no torture IN PRISON. To prevent people from being tortured. Nobody has anything against Russia. We have a bunch of politicians who can conduct a friendly dialogue with Russia. Let any of them be instead of Luke. Rumas, for example. The main thing is not to be a bloody tyrant.
Russians, did you have riot police breaking into entrances in residential areas? You had 100 people kneeling in the courtyard of the police department for 5 hours. And they periodically receive them with a club. You have never had anything like that. And we have it now. That is why even the hard workers rebelled.

[RUnnm]

The fact of the matter is that there won't be any Rumas. How can you not understand that "whoever eats a girl, he dances her" and there will be you and your pravoseki, and your Turchinovs, and your sorosyts, and do not even doubt that soon you will want Gilyaks for us. It is the matter of time. Moreover, the nearest one. You step by step repeat the Russophobic path of Ukraine with the complete collapse of your country.

[Maxim L]

There will be nothing like that. You can see poorly represent the character of Belarusians. There were 200-300 thousand people at the rally yesterday. All the garbage was removed after themselves! There were no drunks. Nobody shouted political slogans for Europe, the United States, or Russia. The slogan is one - leave the dictator who tortures people
Now think for yourself - people are being tortured. All the people are shocked and furious. And the official Russian government does not give any comments on this. The Russians themselves, for the most part, do not study the information and have no idea what is happening. Therefore, they support Luka. How do you think the Belarusians who are being tortured will treat those who support the torturers?

[RUnnm]

))) Let me disagree with you, remembering Ukraine .... Everything will be ... inside and out. And in five years, your children will consider me a Russian occupier

[Maxim L]

Well, if Luke continues to torture people, and Russia supports him, then yes - so it will be then

[Igoresha]

in any case, everyone will blame Russia))

[DenZ]

Quote: Maxim L

You had 100 people kneeling in the courtyard of the police department for 5 hours. And they periodically receive them with a club. You have never had anything like that. And we have it now. That is why even the hard workers rebelled.

If in Yekaterinburg, in the courtyard of the district police department, they put those who jump at rallies and throw bottles at the riot police, I would be absolutely calm and with a sense of deep satisfaction, for they got what they wanted and what they lacked so much - proper education

[Maxim L]

Sorry, but then you are a barbarian. It is not for nothing that torture is forbidden throughout the civilized world. Those. rapists, maniacs are not tortured. But is it possible to torture people "who rides at rallies and throws bottles at riot police?" Oh well
And people who did not throw anything, did not fight with riot police, can you also be tortured? Well, thinking. 21st century in the yard. Not the Middle Ages. People are not being impaled on a stake already. Long time to do with it

[Okolotochny]

You had 100 people kneeling in the courtyard of the police department for 5 hours.

It was when the meetings of the authorities took. Or the militant Natsiks cooled their ardor. Nobody gave the right to break the Law. Only government agencies have the right to physical coercion. Who gave the right to build barricades on the streets, run over employees, use pyrotechnics against them?

[Maxim L]

Well, then the bandits. And that moment is controversial. Ordinary people.
"Who gave the right to build barricades on the streets, run over employees, use pyrotechnics against them?" These were isolated cases. There are always enough aggressive ones. Most of the crowd scattered. There were several thousand non-aggressive per 100 aggressive. But everyone rowed the same way. Moreover, they clearly understand that people are not aggressive. Mlyn, even your propagandist Solovyov made a detailed review. Where did he make out a bunch of cases of excessive aggression on the part of the security forces and what laws were violated at the same time.

[Okolotochny]

So it was the same on the Maidan, the bulk of people came out against corruption and for a "bright future", against the November dispersal of students by Berkut. And then the Natsiks entered the business.
The trouble is that they are aggressive and initially sharpened for a conflict with the police. They provoke and then step aside. The same people serve in the Ministry of Internal Affairs as those who came to the square. A young guy sees how his comrade from the crowd flew in a cobblestone or a firecracker. And another comrade was run over by a car for no reason. What will his actions be?

[www3]

the most important thing is that all this chaos was due to the fact that the riot police clearly knew that they would NOTHING for it!
but because they also live in this country and know that in the country for 26 years the judicial system has completely collapsed and the law does not work from the word AT ALL. it is not judges who sit in the courts, but shakers who will always pass the necessary verdict and they again know - they will get nothing for it!
this is what finally began to seethe people! Perhaps he would have endured all this, these riot police and judges did not come from nowhere, this all happened constantly. but now it has become so widespread that the people just exploded.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Maxim L

We have a bunch of politicians who can conduct a friendly dialogue with Russia.

And the new president after Lukashenka will be just like that, but not pro-Western?

[mdsr]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Maxim L

We have a bunch of politicians who can conduct a friendly dialogue with Russia.

And the new president after Lukashenka will be just like that, but not pro-Western?

It will be decided by the people of Belarus. Not Vanka and Petka from Russia, but Sasha and Vaska from Belarus. This is their republic, their country, and it is not drunkards, drug addicts and all sorts of loaders from Russia who live like in a garbage dump to indicate and decide how they, Belarusians, to live. The civilized, educated part of the citizens of Russia fully support the brotherly Belarusian people in their struggle against the bloody dictator who usurped power.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: mdsr

It will be decided by the people of Belarus. Not Vanka and Petka from Russia, but Sasha and Vaska from Belarus.

To be honest, I am not from the civilized part of the citizens of Russia, that I have been hanging around the seas and oceans all my life, but I wish you all the best and solve your problems by yourself, without Vanek and Petek.

[mdsr]

Quote: tihonmarine

You are all good and solve your problems yourself, without Vanek and Petek.

Thank you for such words, if they are sincere.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: mdsr

Thank you for such words, if they are sincere.

Yes, I have too many relatives in Belarus to speak badly about her.

[Rusticolus]

And I have a question, and your "bloody dictator" is not Belarus？ And the riot police, are they not from Belarusians？ It’s not the same blacks from Africa sitting in the police station, just like in the government. It turns out that Russia so supports the Belarusians. Only on one side are Belarusians with the support of the Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian invaders, and on the other, there are only Belarusians.

[Maxim L]

Therefore, your government needs to work to get the one that you like. And so that the people would support him. And not "drown" for the dictator, whom everyone hates

[bk316]

Russians, did you have riot police breaking into entrances in residential areas?

Was not, so you do not need another president but In the Russian Federation.
And another president will bring you a ban on the Russian language, the collapse of the economy and war, AND YOU WILL NOT STAND ON YOUR KNEES AND LIE IN THE Coffin. Didn't example 404 teach you anything?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: bk316

Was not, so you do not need another president and in the Russian Federation.

This is the smartest thing I've read on the VO site lately.

[www3]

plyat ... your name is not Cassandra by any chance?

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Maxim L

Russians, did you have riot police breaking into entrances in residential areas?

Maksimka, we had when KPVT was shooting at the crowd with not rubber bullets at all, and there are still those who call this a triumph of democracy. then another 5 years of "freedom", when on the way home I calmly stepped over the corpse of a drug addict who had accumulated from an overdose and did not experience any shock because it was the norm of life ...
and here we are telling you that what you are going to do is suicide, but you are like deaf in a rage
if you don’t understand, then everyone agrees that it is high time for Luka to retire, but you are going to demolish the entire state structure, also with the Nazis on hand!

[Prisoner]

If the "opposition" voices their proposals, they will be torn to pieces there. Who would like such a proposal - to give up the industry, limit the export of agricultural products, send the bulk of the engineering elite to work in the EU, etc.?

[Servisinzhener]

They won't say that. They will describe how well everyone will heal. If only to take the helm. But then, as they say ... everything that is not nailed to the floor, but that is nailed will be torn off ..

[pro100y.belarus]

Quote: DenZ

And what do these people offer besides that he leaves?

Well, you should actually listen to all of his last speeches. As if in his speeches there is no constructivism at all. I am the state. You will die without me. There are only enemies around. You are all to blame, I am not me.
Until you kill, I will not go anywhere.
And not a SINGLE word about what he will do next. He doesn't even have an election program.
Maybe he'll declare war tomorrow. Yes, easily.
And you propose to live with such an unpredictable idiot for another 5 years?
Better take it to yourself in Krasnaya Polyana and do not powder the brains of people.

[Cyril G ...]

Didn't he think that sooner or later THIS BIG STICK could be hammered into the corresponding natural hole?

[Servisinzhener]

They scored in Libya. Oh, how "healed well" there ...

[Pavel73]

And what should reach him? Leave now? Having succumbed to threats and pressure? And even FOREIGN pressure! And most importantly, you haven't heard from anyone yet, what doesn't suit them? Lukashenka - go away! - this is about the same stupidity as "Ukraine - without Kuchma!" None of all these oppositionists offer anything on the case. And if there is any specificity, then it has an exclusively pro-Western, anti-Russian and nationalist character. And how smartly all these polands and the baltics have roused themselves! Although what is their dog business about the events in Belarus? Did anyone declare them enemies? Did you promise to pay for gilyak and knives? And they have already settled down and are discussing how they will defend democracy in Belarus. This is war.

[Maxim L]

Write nonsense. Nobody has anything against Russia. There are no slogans against Russia at all. But there are slogans against torture in prisons. Belarusians do not want torture in the country in the 21st century. There are normal politicians, such as Rumas, who may instead of Luka continue to conduct a normal dialogue with Russia. Belarusians are being tortured! You understand that. It's not about geopolitics or economics already. It's about torture! It just became the last straw. The Rubicon that Luke crossed

[Pavel73]

Nobody has anything against Russia ?! Nothing, he'll have it soon. Where did Lukashenka's main rival rush from the "torture"? No way to Lithuania! Tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you who you are - that's what it's called. And who told about torture? Where, who and why? Or maybe in the West interrogation is conducted only in peaceful ways? They don't shoot with rubber bullets, don't poison with gas, don't they beat with truncheons?

[Maxim L]

"No way to Lithuania!" So where to go if the Russians, at the request of Luka, declare everyone wanted? Here Tsepkalo has already been announced. You yourself support Luka behind the scenes.
"And who told about torture?" Now almost every citizen of Minsk has an acquaintance or an acquaintance of an acquaintance who has gone through this. The woman's nephew was released yesterday. He got lucky. He and others were simply beaten and the phone was taken away. But he heard that there was much more tin in other cells.
A woman from another department has a daughter who lives near Akrestsin Street. I left for two nights, because it was impossible to hear moans and screams
Today the director is leaving for my dad at work. He was released on Friday with his son. The same passed
"They don't shoot with rubber bullets, don't poison with gas, don't beat with truncheons?" This applied to ordinary unarmed people. "Hapun" was in the SLEEPING AREAS in the courtyards. A lot of saw there. Hacked intercoms to grab people

[Pavel73]

Once again - hacked and seized absolutely innocent people?

[Maxim L]

Yes. There were many such moments. For the purpose of intimidation. So that people sit at home and do not stick out. For example, I live near Pushkinskaya and Sportivnaya stations. First, they grabbed people near the stations. My father became a witness in person. They grabbed one guy and dragged him into the paddy wagon. Why? Don't come to the metro. Then they began to move deeper into the courtyards. This is complete tin. The courtyards were deserted that evening. The first time I saw no drunks in the area. People were afraid to leave their homes.
And half of the trouble is the fact of grabbing. What then did they do to the people in the pre-trial detention center. This is tough. Bystanders were simply beaten. If they found something on the phone like "Luka got it" in the correspondence, then a complete tin began. And this is in the 21st century.
As far as I know, rapists and murderers are not tortured in Russia. Even maniacs are not tortured. And now people who do not like Luka are being tortured here. Fine?

[Pavel73]

Okay, let's look at this particular case. The guy just stood at the metro, riot police drove up and shouted "Don't figs come to the metro!" shoved into the car? According to you, this is exactly what happens. And you yourself have not seen this either, said the father. Did he tell everything? Did he know everything about this guy? And did he tell how it happened, or did he invent something? Further, according to your words, it turns out that they hacked into intercoms and seized absolutely innocent people. That is, a student sits at home, does not wander along the street, does not climb into politics, and then suddenly cops break in to him, drag him into the jail and are taken for torture? Oh, I don’t believe! I am wondering which of the things described did you PERSONALLY see? We personally saw how they dragged away and beat up an absolutely innocent person. Not with reference to third parties, but themselves, personally.

[Maxim L]

Yes exactly. Personally, I was at the rally on August 9 and 10. Only in the yard. Those. I was not standing in the crowd, I was watching from the side. So - just an observation is a reason to "grab". Fortunately, I looked at everything and went deeper into the courtyards, if they approached close. A couple of guys were out of luck in front of my eyes. They stood watching completely off to the side on the other side of the street. They were out of luck. The beasts came in from behind and grabbed.
Then there is a bunch of videos where they are doing chaos. Watch Nightingale Live. There is a pretty large selection in the room. It's a pity that Solovyov showed this on his YouTube channel. But on RTR, he quieted down. Apparently the command from above came

[Pavel73]

All of the above is very reminiscent of the events of 6 years ago in Ukraine. Then they also shouted: they are children! Beat the innocent! Yanukovych is a dictator! I decided to see how it all happened. YouTube, online, news agencies from the West .... And I did not see anything that would not happen in the West in any civilized countries. They also beat them with truncheons, they also grab the hands and feet, they also beat them to bloody snot, drag them to the police .... I did not see anything new, unusual! And what you saw is the same. What's in Ukraine, what's in Russia, what's in France. It's just that you have not seen anything like this on the streets for THIRTY YEARS, which is why you are in shock. Who do you think should be thanked for not having this for decades? And who should be thanked for starting this?

[Maxim L]

I'm just freaking out from you. They grabbed those who were directly involved in the skirmishes. We are grabbing everyone. Even those who are VERY far from the scene.
And the most important thing - in which country is tortured in isolation wards? In which country people are put on their knees and forced to rest their face on the floor. And in this position they are forced to be for hours. Or in which country people are beaten in isolation wards. And if they find some kind of anti-government statement on the phone, then it just starts quite hard.
I already have two cases that I know. The woman has a nephew at work. The father has a director at work, his son and nephew. What does it have to do with them in Zhodino, and the woman's nephew in the Minsk jail. They beat both there and there. Those. this is hardly an excess of the performer. So the command was given. And this is in the 21st century ... Do you think Belarusians are ready to endure this toughness? It was torture that raised the whole people. They hoped to scare everyone with this so that people would not leave their homes. But it turned out the other way around. Even the apolitical have woken up and rebelled. Luke, with his cruelty, digs his own grave

[Pavel73]

What do you think should be done when seeing anti-government messages on the phone? Pat on the head and threaten with a finger? And where did you get the idea that if a person is far away and is watching, then he is in no way involved? Doesn't he shoot, doesn't coordinate the riot, doesn't report to his curators? Yes, from the West you can see as many video frames as you like, in which the police grab and drag seemingly innocent and innocent people! Why is he dragging that woman over there! Why are they beating that old man over there ?! And in the West, they beat everyone in isolation wards and prisons, especially in the United States. Your naivety is simply amazing. Once again, it proves in what greenhouse conditions you have lived for the past decades.

[Maxim L]

I understand your opinion. You consider my conditions "veal". Your right. Personally, I consider you and your ilk to be barbarians if you encourage and accept torture in the 21st century. It is because of people like you that my love for Russians has very much diminished. Although he used to love Russia very much. Not anymore. I understand perfectly well that you don't give a damn about that. But there are more and more people like me. Do not be surprised then at the attitude towards Russians. You yourself create it by your actions. It's like a jealous husband who hits his wife and breaks something for her. And then she wonders why they don't like him and want to file for divorce

[Pavel73]

Not true. I called the conditions greenhouse, not "veal". And I do not approve of torture anywhere, this is also not true. I just remind you that what is happening today on the streets of Belarus is no different from the same events in Russia, Ukraine, France, the United States and any other civilized country. Including detentions, beatings, torture and even murder. You, being in shock, for some reason think that if crowds take to the streets with anti-government protests, then in other countries they are treated differently.

[Maxim L]

In France, the yellow vests were harshly dispersed. Well, they set fire to cars there and everything like that. In the USA, shops were robbed en masse, etc. In such cases, I can understand the use of rubber bullets.
But I have not heard that in France "yellow vests" were beaten after arrest, put on their knees and face down on the ground for 4 hours, etc. And in some cases it was even much worse in Minsk jail.
It was the torture that pissed me off the most. Okay, you caught the protester. And often "ostensibly" a protester. Why beat him in jail. Why humiliate people, beat, etc. Intimidate? Well, yes, really scary. But even more it causes anger. Now is the 21st century, not the 19th

[Pavel73]

Cars set fire to and robbed shops - it will come to that. For this, everything was started. I'm just wondering: do you at least understand that all these protests and riots come not from the people, but from abroad? Specifically - from London. What is it from there that they are coordinated and directed? So to provoke the government into harsh measures, and then accuse it of violence, violation of human rights, and other deadly sins? That this has already been tested many times in different countries? What are the people just using in these games?

[Maxim L]

“I’m just wondering: do you at least understand that all these protests and riots come not from the people, but from abroad?” Says a person who does not live in Belarus. To a person who lives in Minsk.
I will now tell you the point of view of mine, of many of my colleagues and acquaintances.
1. On August 9, elections were held. Terrible falsifications. With real support from Luke in 20-30%, he wrote himself 80%. This is an unreal lie. I work for a large state-owned enterprise. In my school, all employees from my organization sat on the election committee. So they didn't even post the results at the end of the day. As it turned out later, the chairman of the commission did not even give the vote. Said "everything has already been counted." The question is by whom? A friend has a similar situation on another site. There, 117 people officially voted for Tikhanovskaya, and 200-300 people had already gathered near the school for her. How so? Therefore, such a falsification angered many. Which led to the clashes on August 9-10. Those. if Luke wrote himself, for example, 56%, and Tikhanovskaya 35%, then most of the people would not have come out (I am sure). But such a mad lie pissed everyone off
2. From the middle of August 9, the Internet was cut off in our country. In what country in Europe was this? The Internet did not work for 3,5 days ... (naturally, so that people could not organize themselves). At the same time, the security forces dispersed the protesters very brutally. Most of which were peaceful
3. On August 11-12, the tactics of the authorities changed. Near the main public places (squares, metro stations), many random people who fit the description (a young guy, etc.) began to grab. To intimidate the people. A lot got into the video. With obvious excessive cruelty and abuse of authority. That even your propagandist Soloviev admitted.
4. On August 13, the first detainees were released. And then it turned out that at best, people in the pre-trial detention center were simply beaten and humiliated, and in some cases they were tortured. This brought the people completely out of themselves. We are not some kind of Africa.
5. On August 14, everything began to pass peacefully. But the factories began to strike, tk. it turned out that many of those captured and beaten were not provocateurs from the West, criminals, alcoholics, but ordinary employees with factories, enterprises, hospitals, etc. Only women in groups began to go out in protest to show that they were not militants

[Pavel73]

In order to know exactly where everything is coming from, it is enough to know where the opposition's support comes from. Lithuania, Poland. These are the most loyal lackeys in the United States. And the USA is the most loyal follower of the British Empire. For which Russia is enemy number one. And Belarus, as the country closest to Russia, too. I would still believe that the people are protesting, if the West clearly stated - the internal affair of Belarus, we will not undertake to judge. But they have already started to seriously discuss Belarusian affairs, as if they were theirs! The hyenas are ready to eat.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Pavel73

It's just that you have not seen anything like this on the streets for THIRTY YEARS, which is why you are in shock.

For almost 15 years they have been protesting against Lukashenka, they are dispersed and imprisoned, but this year the brave security officials have surpassed themselves, apparently.

Quote: Pavel73

And what you saw is the same. What's in Ukraine, what's in Russia, what's in France.

It is not a matter of dispersing demonstrations, but of mockery of people after the arrest.

[www3]

Quote: Pavel73

Okay, let's look at this particular case. The guy just stood at the metro, riot police drove up and shouted "Don't figs come to the metro!" shoved into the car? According to you, this is exactly what happens. And you yourself have not seen this either, said the father. Did he tell everything? Did he know everything about this guy? And did he tell how it happened, or did he invent something? Further, according to your words, it turns out that they hacked into intercoms and seized absolutely innocent people. That is, a student sits at home, does not wander along the street, does not climb into politics, and then suddenly cops break in to him, drag him into the jail and are taken for torture? Oh, I don’t believe! I am wondering which of the things described did you PERSONALLY see? We personally saw how they dragged away and beat up an absolutely innocent person. Not with reference to third parties, but themselves, personally.

the impression is that you really have an Internet for coupons or banned in Google.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=RArU3hD2eqI&feature=emb_logo

[Sklendarka]

Quote: Pavel73

Once again - hacked and seized absolutely innocent people?

Obsalyutno, I already wrote. I was a person from the second shift home at the entrance, he was accepted, a total of four ribs are broken, and a fracture of the spine, normul?

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Maxim L

Now almost every Minsk resident has an acquaintance or an acquaintance of an acquaintance. A woman at work yesterday released her nephew. He was lucky ... But he heard how in other cells ... A woman from another department had a daughter. She was leaving for two nights. it was impossible to hear moans and screams ... Today the director is leaving at my dad's work. He was released on Friday with his son.

In short, everything is according to Vysotsky:
Like flies here and there
There are rumors about home
And toothless old women
They are carried to the minds ...
And you, young man, are you by any chance the daughter of an officer?

[Maxim L]

Well, your type is the same to everyone. A bit like an "officer's daughter". What do you need? That would personally beat me? I took and sent you a photo. Well, knowing people like you, write that I'm drunk, a criminal, etc. That he himself had a fight somewhere. Well, or something like that. That will be your reaction, is that correct?

[Lionnvrsk]

No, not true. My reaction is a hysterical young man with an easily inspired psyche, who has heard enough stories and is driven by the psychosis of the crowd. In addition, a cowardly khataskrainik, hiding in the yards, but now a couch revolutionary.

[Maxim L]

Well yes. Fighting with riot police is bad, a fighter from the West. Not fighting is also bad, coward. You would just come to Minsk and talk to the people. In any hyper, metro, etc. You will understand everything at once. The people endured torture in prisons. Now the attitude has changed dramatically. Even apolitical people began to read political news. Do you think mass strikes at enterprises are also fakes? Oh well. Today MTZ and MZKT are on strike en masse. And these are men, not spoiled schoolchildren. All this is on the video. Close-up. There would be a desire to watch just

[Arthur73]

So judging by your comments, makSim, repeated phrases in them, periodic mistakes in the construction of sentences and a certain obsession with certain topics, you are the very "docha officer", only like now from Belarus

[Maxim L]

About the daughter of the "officer" I have already answered above. I want you to take a picture of the Pushkinskaya metro station or what else to do to show that I am a Minsker.
"Obsession with certain topics" I now have obsession with the topic of torture in a pre-trial detention center. For me and for most of the Belarusians. This is a sore subject now. Half of the enterprises are now not so much working as they are talking about this topic. It shocked people too much. Nobody expected such a tin

[saigon]

Pavel is so geography, the choice is not rich Russia, Lithuania, Poland, and Ukraine.

[Okolotochny]

There are no slogans against Russia at all.

Not yet, not yet. This has already happened in Ukraine. How did it end? Or do you think that you will be differently?

[Pavel73]

There are no slogans against Russia only because it is not yet time. The people are not sufficiently led, and most importantly, there is not enough blood. Everything is still ahead. This is the West. They always start from afar. So that when it comes to the people, it would be too late.

[bulava]

Let's see who exactly is being "tortured". I read a lot of materials on, so to speak, the liberal media of the Republic of Belarus. There constantly appear interviews of those who were "tortured". And most of them do not hide the fact that they took part in the actions. Well, tell me, what should be the attitude towards them from the security forces in which, from the protesters, Molotov cocktails, sticks and stones were flying? Yes, they were provocateurs. But if you went to the action and are standing next to such a provocateur, what are you hoping for? What will riot police take apart? I went to an unauthorized action - get your place in the paddy wagon. The network is full of photos of supposedly "peaceful protests" and who do we see there? Apparently prepared guys and men in tattoos, sportswear, mouth guards ... these are obvious provocateurs. It is a pity that Father did not immediately impose a curfew. He behaved liberally.

[Sklendarka]

Well, if you read, then this is an argument .. I won't be talking about tattoos, shorts and sportswear, the same I won't, farther, well, cap - apparently you haven't fought in life ?, because cap is a terrible thing if ,, put out the light ", then she will help him (the light) more and not see ...
Bottles, cobblestones, these are the weapons of the proletariat.
And it all started at the polling stations, oh yes, you read ...
And I saw it myself ...

[Maxim L]

Let's start with the fact that in civilized countries there should be no torture at all. Those. maniacs, rapists, etc. do not torture. But if you had a fight with riot police, then let's arrange torture? Cool logic
I was at the rallies. Yes, they were aggressive. But they were few. Not more than 1/20, or even less of the crowd. All the others were peaceful. And they scattered at the sight of riot police. And believe me, there were practically no "Molotov cocktails", etc. I was on August 10 at the Pushkinskaya station. People peacefully occupied the center of the square and protested against the falsifications. 10 pieces of beads arrive here. Guys in armor and with guns jump out of them. Then came grenades, tear gas and a barrage of bullets. And almost all scattered in all directions. Then they began to push back to the Sportivnaya metro station. At one point, about 10 guys began to drag stones from the improvement for the barricade. Stones are the size of a bucket at most. At the same time, they put up 10 stones. And at the same time many people shouted to them "don't, we are peaceful." To which they replied, "We endured peacefully for 26 years. That's enough." All. So in the end, they pushed back to Sportivnaya. All this lasted 2 hours. I live near "Sportivno". Therefore, I no longer watched and went home
Those. I personally did not take part in the battle. But if soldiers with guns came in from behind me, then it would be best for me to be beaten in the pre-trial detention center. And in the worst, crippled in the hospital
And, by the way, from the beginning of the acceleration from "Pushkinskaya" to "Sportivnaya" I have never seen a single Molotov cocktail and not a single knife or something like that. Maybe someone, of course, did. But these were clearly isolated cases.

[bulava]

Well, what you have described is already enough for the use of force by law enforcement agencies. I would understand if the peacekeepers of these provocateurs made them drag the stones back, and so ... they set you up, this was the calculation.

Let's start with the fact that in civilized countries there should be no torture at all

Name at least one civilized country where there is 100% no torture or any other police lawlessness applicable to lawbreakers (and just "peaceful demonstrators" often)

[Maxim L]

"Let's figure out who exactly is being" tortured "" The father was not the director of the firm, his son and nephew were beaten in a pre-trial detention center. Just because they were at the rally. They were clearly not aggressive. Nobody needs it there
And at work the woman's nephew seems to have got similar.
Well, on August 11-12, a bunch of people just random "rowing" were seized. For intimidation. On August 12, my father was at Pushkinskaya at about 20 o'clock. So the riot police jumped out and grabbed some. The father was not touched because of his age, but the guy next to him (about 20 years old) was seized

[bulava]

The key "stood at the meeting." Why did you stand? Who called? For what?

[bk316]

Nobody has anything against Russia.

Are you so ... naive or bought?
Yes, in 404, too, 90% had nothing against the Russian Federation. Only when the Natsiks with the Derbanshiks of Ukraine came to power, ANYONE ALREADY ASKED. Today he will beat you onions with truncheons and tomorrow they will just burn you alive like Odessa. Are you hoping to take part in the pogroms or sit out?

[Maxim L]

Don't compare Belarus and Ukraine. These are two completely different cases. And the mentality of Ukrainians and Belarusians is very different.

[iouris]

Quote: Maxim L

It's about torture! It just became the last straw. The Rubicon that Luke crossed

Tortured yourself? I suspect that he gave an energetic but vague order in his usual style. Another thing is how it was done. It seems to me that the circle has long been studied and launched a "revolutionary" scenario. The process is directed against Lukashenka in the interests of a handful of oligarchs, but there may be more than one player and then there will be a "showdown".
I would understand if the speeches took place after the election for a third term, and what is this ?!
The problem is not with Lukashenka, but with the crisis of the state: it has exhausted itself. It was high time to become a part of the Russian Federation, where at least there is a raw material resource. Without the Russian Federation, Belarus alone will not exist for a very long time. the internal crisis will progress and no Lithuania, even together with Poland, will save the country - the crisis and its own shirt are closer to the body. Tidbits will be taken away, the rest (most) will be cut. Young people and "creatives" have a chance and will partly leave, but they will be quite close behind the hill.
Objectively, Belarus is a transit country, so Belarus, independent of the Russian Federation, will be politically drawn into the group of limitrophic states formed at the borders as a junior partner with all the ensuing consequences. It doesn't matter which housewife or blogger becomes president.
Something like that.
And the Rubicon is completely different. On the contrary, it is when legions come from abroad to take power in the center.

[pro100y.belarus]

Quote: Maxim L

There are normal politicians like Rumas

I would vote for Rumas. Who will give me?

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: pro100y.belarus

Quote: Maxim L
There are normal politicians like Rumas

I would vote for Rumas. Who will give me?

Still ahead.
The task is simple - to move from rallies to the selection of a new national leader. The rest is a matter of technology ...

[DenZ]

Quote: Pavel73

This is war.

Lukashenka’s opponents haven’t gotten to it yet. They are stuck in the protests and what could be even worse, and before that they don't understand just a couple of steps.

[Pavel73]

Yes ... Neither history, nor recent examples in many countries of the world, nor even an example close at hand, teaches anything. Nowhere and never got better!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pavel73

Lukashenka - go away! - this is about the same stupidity as "Ukraine - without Kuchma!"

Ukraine without Powdered! But it turned out again, not as the people wanted.

[Pavel73]

Yes. Because such slogans are absolutely empty. What specifically does not suit Poroshenko (Lukashenko, Yanukovych, Kuchma, Putin, emphasize the necessary) - that's the main thing. There is no answer to this question, which means that this slogan is pure demagoguery, which only plays into the hands of licking foreign neighbors.

[Anton S]

Quote: Grazdanin

Best description of the meeting.

Do not add, do not add))

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Anton S

Do not add, do not add))

Looks like Tutbay was covered.

[Anton S]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Anton S

Do not add, do not add))

Looks like Tutbay was covered.

It seems like they turned off the Internet

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Anton S

It seems like they turned off the Internet

Ага.

Currently, there are problems with Internet access. External resources, messengers are unavailable. Sites hosted in Belarus are opening. Access is not possible including with VPN clients. Messages about the lack of access come from different cities of the country. 17 August 2020, 11:34

http://s13.ru/archives/internet-16

[Grazdanin]

Mirror
https://news.tutby.news/

[Mordvin 3]

Thank you, the pro-government media are bullshitting like sidorov goats. Or they are simply silent.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

I don't quite understand the logic of the strikers.
If Lukashenka leaves, how do they expect to improve the situation at their enterprises?

[user1212]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

If Lukashenka leaves, how do they expect to improve the situation at their enterprises?

Don't you know? After all, Tikhonovskaya will personally give each of them $ 10 per hour. Will bring home in his teeth (from the creators "there will be no conscripts in battle, volunteers will fight, they will receive 1000 hryvnia a day, life and health will be insured for 1 million hryvnia")

[Clear]

Quote: user1212

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

If Lukashenka leaves, how do they expect to improve the situation at their enterprises?

Don't you know? After all, Tikhonovskaya will personally give each of them $ 10 per hour. Will bring home in his teeth (from the creators "there will be no conscripts in battle, volunteers will fight, they will receive 1000 hryvnia a day, life and health will be insured for 1 million hryvnia")

This is, as Poroshenko promised, if he is elected president, then 1000 hryvnia per day will pay to ATO participants? And then it merged with the chocolate.

[user1212]

Exactly. For those who have forgotten. Moreover, pay attention, in the purest Russian language, zradnik

[Cyril G ...]

Here you have to understand. MZKT products go to the third world and to Russia. Moreover, some of the products are expensive special transporters for ICBMs. One of these costs for us about 2/3 of the Su-30SM fighter.

[Alexey Lesogor]

Aren't the latest systems based on BMZ?

[Cyril G ...]

We do not make special transporters for ICBMs. Only "Platform 0" is in operation and has long been. However, I believe that there was no progress for the same reasons why, until 2012-2014, we were not engaged in helicopter GTE and ship-based GTA ..
So far, the concept is at the test site.

The question of a special transporter is too critical for the country's defense capability to trust someone

[Grazdanin]

Lukashenka's departure does not mean a break in relations, if we bring our man to power, they can improve.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Grazdanin

Lukashenka's departure does not mean a break in relations, if we bring our man to power, they can improve.

That I do not argue. Leaving on time, too, must have talent. Only considering how Lukashenka weeded out the pro-Russian opposition and got rid of the relevant officials, I have to admit that the task in general cannot be solved.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Cyril G ...

pro-Russian opposition and got rid of the relevant officials

Gordon calls Babariko and Tsepkalo Russian candidates. One of them can lead the Republic of Belarus. If of course they survive.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Grazdanin

Babariko and Tsepkalo are Russian candidates.

Something I am full of doubts ...

[user1212]

Quote: Grazdanin

Lukashenka's departure does not mean a break in relations,

I've already read this somewhere ... Oh, exactly!

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Cyril G ...

We do not make special transporters for ICBMs. Only "Platform 0" is in operation and has long been.

in general, the KamAZ-7850 was put into service last year.

[Cyril G ...]

Is it accepted? The last I read was brought to military trials

[Sanichsan]

wrote exactly "adopted" perhaps they combined the adoption into service with military tests in view of the problems due to the next leaps of Luke

[loki565]

It is clear that the path to NATO countries has been ordered, so according to your logic, it turns out that all the rest are third world countries? Belarusians make the equipment quite at the level, they can develop a project for a specific customer, as was the case with a super-heavy road train for the United Arab Emirates

[Karaul73]

Is Lukashenko personally looking for work in Belarus for the country's enterprises? How the president of the country can influence orders to enterprises. This is the job of company management. But not the president. With his departure it will be bad, but not critical. The main thing is not to quarrel with Russia.

[Grazdanin]

There were no posters against Russia. The most correct thing now is to surrender Lukashenko and bring a pro-Russian candidate to power.

[Clear]

Quote: Grazdanin

give Lukashenko and bring a pro-Russian candidate to power.

Or he could become so pro-Russian that he himself would wake up from this in a cold sweat and realized that they don't sweat only ... the dead

[user1212]

Quote: Grazdanin

There were no posters against Russia.

And he's not lying, there was no poster

[user1212]

And now the news arrived

[user1212]

Sorry, old pictures

[pro100y.belarus]

Quote: user1212

Sorry, old pictures

Hmm. If it were not for the heat and people were not in jackets, then it rolled.
You can, of course, search the net and marches of Russian Natsiks, in every country there is this type of people. Or you can simply not provoke and calm down.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Grazdanin

The most correct thing now is to surrender Lukashenko and bring a pro-Russian candidate to power.

That's the problem - you can't take it. For everything there hangs by a thread. But it is also necessary to change ... Something like this ..

[DenZ]

Quote: Grazdanin

The most correct thing now is to surrender Lukashenko and bring a pro-Russian candidate to power.

Perhaps you are right. But where to get this - this first and second elections have already passed. Lukashenka won. And so, yes, your option would be ideal, perhaps (well, this is purely theoretical)

[Grazdanin]

Quote: DenZ

But where to get this - the first and second elections have already passed

Babariko and Tsepkalo are in the opinion of many Kremlin candidates, to which I am inclined to believe. Babariiko has every chance to win if he remains alive.

[Pereira]

That's the trouble. The pro-Western opposition will quarrel with joy and receive money for that. The people do not want to quarrel. But Lukashenka has rooted out the pro-Russian opposition.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Pereira

But Lukashenko has rooted the pro-Russian opposition.

The longer we support Lukashenka, the worse we make ourselves. It is a pity that our mediocrities in power do not understand this. Their seats are much more important to them than Russia. Lukashenka has been written off, he has 3 scenarios left:
Ceausescu
Milosevic
Yanukovych

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Grazdanin

Lukashenka has been written off, he has 3 scenarios left:
Ceausescu
Milosevic
Yanukovych

forgot the fourth scenario, Macron. I think he will use it

[Trapp1st]

The main thing is not to quarrel with Russia.

In the event of the arrival of Western philosophers, a situation is possible in which in the shortest possible period people will blame Russia for all the problems and demand lace and embroidered shirts. It's hard to believe, but this has already happened.

[loki565]

With his departure it will be bad, but not critical. The main thing with Russia is not to quarrel

But with this there will be problems, since after him a pro-Western Russophobe will come)))

[forty-eighth]

Will not come. There will be a new pro-Russian president with whom the issue of the Union State can be brought to its logical conclusion.

[Trapp1st]

There will be a new pro-Russian president

Where is he now? Let's say Luke leaves today, who will be tomorrow?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Sentry73

Is Lukashenko personally looking for work in Belarus for the country's enterprises?

Why, then, do they go on strike, if in terms of employment they are satisfied with everything?

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Why, then, do they go on strike, if in terms of employment they are satisfied with everything?

The herd instincts of the crowd.

[Irokez]

Quote: Sentry73

Is Lukashenko personally looking for work in Belarus for the country's enterprises? How the president of the country can influence orders to enterprises.

Very simple. Travel on official visits and negotiate at the level of senior officials on mutually beneficial conditions, supplies and opportunities. And at the same level, to knock out competitors by political methods, because politics and economics are two twins walking side by side and if they are separated, then each of them has big problems.

[taiga2018]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

how do they count on improving the situation at their enterprises?

How is it due to what, due to optimization, when all the "superfluous" are thrown out, and the rest, if they make noise, they will say, do not like it, quit ... Yesterday it seems that in Solovyov's program one of the guests listed all the good that was achieved with Lukashenka added that do these protesters really think that if the current president leaves, all this will be preserved, plus it will become even better ...

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: taiga2018

How is it due to what, due to optimization, when all the "superfluous" are thrown out,

But where is the guarantee that new ones will not take the place of the thrown out superfluous ones?

[taiga2018]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

guarantee

The guarantee is only in maintaining good relations with Russia, because at least 50% of all products of this plant, MTZ, MAZ, BelAZ and other Belarusian enterprises go to the Russian market ... And if Belarus loses Russia, how is it did Ukraine, then no one will take anything ...

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

So your first comment was partly sarcastic? Didn't notice.

[Ruswolf]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

I don't quite understand the logic of the strikers.

And there is no logic here at all. If people didn’t come to work because of a small salary, this is understandable. This all relates to economic issues.
But to break the economy (refusal to work, disruption of orders) due to a political demand ... this is by definition sabotage.
The directors can support the protest because they promised money, and the workers are simply used.

[Maxim L]

Nobody wants to spoil relations with Russia. Let the entire government remain (except for the siloviki). And Rumas, for example, can act as president. The main thing is that Luka leaves and the torture stops

[Lionnvrsk]

Your "torture" is some kind of manic idefix!

[Maxim L]

I would look at you if this happened to your friends. Would you say "nothing happens"?

[parusnik]

Some contradictory news, Lukashenka made a speech at the plant, but like in front of “his own”, “not his own” they were locked in the shops (and not their majority) ... and the meaning of such a speech then .. For myself, put a tick in front of myself?

[Grazdanin]

This is called agony. Interesting fact: the last rally in support of Ceausescu ended 4 days before his execution.

[RUnnm]

An interesting fact - almost 2/3 of modern Romanians are nostalgic about the times of Ceausescu, and the judges who condemned him are themselves sent to court for this.

[Simon schempp]

almost 2/3 of modern Romanians are nostalgic about the times of Ceausescu,

Ahahahahahah

[RUnnm]

More than 49%. They just would have kept silent if they were not aware of https://forum.md/ru/855947

But this is just the first link I give you. There were poll results under 60%

[Simon schempp]

They would just remain silent if not in the know

Well yes. You can be sure. I'm the one who doesn't know.

[RUnnm]

So it can be seen. It's good that at least they did not argue about the investigation regarding the deliberately unjust decision of the Ceausescu trial

[Cristall]

Quote: RUnnm

https://forum.md/ru/855947

is there every second old man or aged?

A poll conducted in September by the KIT group showed that almost every second respondent recalls the times of socialism with nostalgia. In particular, 49 percent of citizens said they lived better than they do now.

determine the value of this survey ...
30 years have passed and all young people cannot compare ..
but here every second means the country is only old people.

[Sergej1972]

I communicate with students, a lot of twenty-year-olds are nostalgic for the USSR, and some for the Russian Empire.

[pro100y.belarus]

Quote: RUnnm

But this is just the first link I give you. There were poll results under 60%

Your links are not worth a damn. You just have to ask the Romanians.

[Harry.km]

Quote: parusnik

Some contradictory news, Lukashenka made a speech at the plant, but like in front of “his own”, “not his own” they were locked in the shops (and not their majority) ... and then the point was such a speech.

Quite the opposite, he spoke in the workshop for his own people, and then dared to go out into the courtyard where the bulk stood and there he was greeted with artistic whistles and exclamations of gratitude. He then thought that 150-200 did not work, and the rest were waiting for him, but the reality turned out to be not so rosy.

[loki565]

Some contradictory news, Lukashenka made a speech at the plant, but like in front of “his own”, “not his own” they were locked in the shops (and not their majority) ... and the meaning of such a speech then .. For myself, put a tick in front of myself?

And where did you get the information that he spoke in front of his ??? The fact that not all the workers of the plant came is understandable, the production should not be stopped completely, the plant will suffer losses with all these troubles.

[Ruswolf]

Quote: parusnik

"not their own" were locked in workshops

What is it like? Have they driven, welded the doors, set up security?
Or "Not our own" valiantly worked in spite of the strike and protests?
So who is on board then? - "Brought"
Everything got mixed up in the Oblomovs' house!

[parusnik]

Meanwhile, opposition media claim that Lukashenka “did not talk to the entire staff of the MZKT”. There were statements of the following nature: The imported "tikhars" were gathered at the site, and the workers were blocked in the shops.

... Draw your own conclusions ... Do not rely on mine

[vasek5533]

You just don't know how it is organized. For three days, lists are drawn up, then the authorities check everyone who he is. During the day, they tell what to wear and where to go (with a passport). Do not ask questions, other people ask questions, sometimes not even working at the enterprise, but also in overalls. And Lukashenko sincerely believes that he communicates with a real team. This was the case before the elections. Today there was no time for that, so they were allowed in selectively, too, but not so strictly (with white bracelets - not immediately). What he said was broadcast on the factory radio (not on the Internet) at MTZ and MAZ. In short, there were the same questions as on the street. So there are no "friends" anymore, everyone is against it.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Ruswolf

What is it like? Have they driven, welded the doors, set up security?

And the Kingstones opened.

[Lionnvrsk]

Oblomov

Oblonskikh! Unless, of course, you suddenly decided to recall Khasbulatov in the State Duma.
The most surprising thing is that the hall in which Gaidar, Chubais, Yavlinsky and other parliamentarians who seemed to be highly educated according to Soviet concepts were present, this hall did not react at all to this crooked quote from Khasbulatov, no one even laughed, they did not read either, or read with half an eye, both Tolstoy and Goncharov.

[Sergej1972]

Khasbulatov, what does it have to do with the State Duma? He has never been its deputy. He was the Chairman of the Supreme Soviet from 1991-1993.

[rocket757]

Lukashenko at MZKT: If you don't want to work, you want to leave, the doors are open

Hmm, nothing smarter to say !!!
People want to have confirmation of the importance of their decision, they want to be heard, understood, talked to them like a human being ... asked !!! And then those times, LEAVE!
They will carry out the dad with all his household and faithful, perhaps not even through the door !!! Not right tomorrow, but it will definitely happen ... from one side or the other!

[Harry.km]

Quote: rocket757

And then those times, LEAVE!

The question arises, if everyone who is on strike now leaves, who will feed the general?

[rocket757]

Quote: Harry.km

The question arises, if everyone who is on strike now leaves, who will feed the general?

The question is, of course, interesting. Those who have long and forever believed in their "righteousness" become uncomfortable / dangerous for everyone around them.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Harry.km

The question arises, if everyone who is on strike now leaves, who will feed the general?

And who will feed them and their families?

[Pereira]

I could not say smarter, because I did not understand anything.
They open the doors for him. As the Novgorod veche used to say in such cases, "And for you, prince, the path is clear."
But everyone around for years shouted: flirting with the West will bring you to a zugunder. They won't forgive. Choose your friends carefully.

[rocket757]

Quote: Pereira

Choose your friends carefully.

Tell me who is your friend ???
Here is interesno, but at least something has come to this face?

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: rocket757

they want to be heard, understood, talk to them humanly

Lukashenka flew to MZKT by helicopter, was it really impossible to arrive in a motorcade by car, as usual, even now he is afraid to travel around Minsk, only by helicopter? However, the situation is developing.

[rocket757]

Quote: Anatol Klim

flew to MZKT by helicopter,

It's time to change to a bicycle ... as the first act of the play called "Father goes to the people!"
Look at this and ... no, write this nizya.

[Anatole Klim]

Even the director of the MZKT admitted that Lukashenka did not win the election !!! Listen, he speaks honestly to the workers!

[Grazdanin]

Correctly says, at least someone with brains there, he can really keep the team.

[rocket757]

Old Man wanted a nice number, but he has a whole load of initiative, loyal fools! And, it seems, not a single sensible adviser ... he himself, like, with a mustache! So I got it, I deserve it.

[www3]

So for 26 years such a selection has taken place, which is not surprising.
they take not according to their mind but for health

[rocket757]

The standard theme, not invented by the dad ... they take the TRUE ones, the rest of the properties are sideways.

[Alex Justice]

How does the director know whether Lukashenka won or not?
Licked both sides just in case.

[pro100y.belarus]

Quote: Anatol Klim

even in Minsk is now afraid to travel,

When he drives around Minsk, the street is blocked and many cars accumulate on the adjacent streets.
The drivers, seeing his motorcade, all, as one, begin to honk frantically, Gai frantically rushes about, but they cannot do anything with this mass of signaling cars.
As a result, Lukashenka spends all his way around Minsk to the accompaniment of sirens.
And nothing in the helicopter, almost quiet.

[RUnnm]

AGG, in fact, says everything is correct. But he does not take into account one thing - the fact that the people will not hear and understand him now. You have to be more cunning - somewhere to apologize for the words that only idlers come out, somewhere, in addition to general words, give examples of Yuzhmash.
And he just keeps pressing. It seems to me that this is a mistake.
In a carrot-and-stick control system, the use of the stick alone does not always give the expected success. Combination with gingerbread is much more effective.

[rocket757]

That's right, but in order for the people to begin to at least perceive the correct, obvious things, now they have to try very hard, they began to LISTEN to him at least!
That's how it happens when you surround yourself with faithful ... you can't wait for the right advice from anyone, they can't!

[RUnnm]

Yes, I understand what he is afraid of. He will say - let's discuss the problems with labor collectives and then what will happen - "suddenly" the Tikhanosites breaks down to participate in these negotiations and will reduce everything to a discussion of politics, or rather, demands for his departure. And the effect will be equal to 0. And then they will start yelling - let's push, the authorities got scared of us! And then the problems will only get worse. We need to invent something else.

[rocket757]

Quote: RUnnm

And then the problems will only get worse. We need to invent something else.

And now it is getting better and will be getting better? People will calm down and scatter to their corners ...
negotiations are always a double-edged sword! But in no way and not to talk to anyone, this is a one-way trip and it is hardly something other than a dead end.
I could be wrong, it’s not a genius in politics .... let's see how it all ends. time will put everything in its place.

[RUnnm]

Yes, these are all little things, if you take by and large. It is not very difficult to reprogram people who go for some kind of mythical goal, not realizing that it is ephemeral and they are simply being used. The main mass is not initially aimed at political demands, in fact.
And the fact that people will disperse if the sources of coordination and funding of protests are cut off is beyond doubt

[rocket757]

I was confident that the dad would hold out, at least for the time being ... all the same, the movement against was prepared carelessly, they got used to doing everything in an easy way ... also not geniuses, they work according to a template.
But, what cannot be taken away from them, if they run into something strong, they begin to look for another point of application of their efforts. They will, will, look for a weak point and find, if the old / new president does not strengthen his position, WITH REAL SUPPORT of the citizens of his country ...

[RUnnm]

I still have it. While the army and special services are on his side. If the financing and logistic schemes of the firelighters are cut off, everything will work out. Moreover, very quickly.

[rocket757]

Blessed is he who believes .... not the first and not the last though.

[RUnnm]

Macron confirms, as does Maduro, as well as Spain with Catalonia, Franco, etc.

[Roman246810]

Schaub began to at least LISTEN to him!

He has said too much in 26 years !!
For example, we can recall Putin's first press conferences ... when they sucked every word ... and now - when they are watching solely for the sake of neighing over new promises ..

[loki565]

Have you seen the speech of the plant director the other day? Of course, he is not an orator and he was not used to shouting with the crowd, but in fact he said the right things and immediately some copies began to shout chants, interrupt him and in every way interfere with the dialogue.

[rocket757]

Quote: loki565

individual copies began to shout chants, interrupt him and in every possible way interfere with the dialogue.

That's right, the director is not a politician and he could not send security, for example, to separate the screamers from the collective. By the way, the workers / collective themselves did not shout at the screamers, push them out of their mass, because the eyes, in the eyes, the screamers become so ... not bold, as a rule !!!
Here is the lack of the workers, the desire to listen to a person expressing sound reasoning, THIS IS ALREADY an INDICATOR !!!
Things are getting worse than they could have been.

[arlekin]

Quote: rocket757

That's how it happens when you surround yourself with faithful ... you can't wait for the right advice from anyone, they can't!

I also know at least one president to whom this description fits.

[rocket757]

Come on. With those who have climbed to the very top, this happens quite often.
What is important is what this can lead to !!!

[Roman246810]

personally, he is not going to keep anyone.

So no one is holding him .. moreover, they are being driven in the neck .. And he grabbed ..))

[Clear]

Quote: Roman246810

personally, he is not going to keep anyone.

So no one is holding him .. moreover, they are being driven in the neck .. And he grabbed ..))

Well, why, many voted for his election.

[Lumpen]

The master came to his estate and tells the slaves what to do!
By superfluous employees, as I understand it, does he mean "ideoluchs"?
Without diminishing the merits of Luke, we must admit that he is losing touch with reality.
Or as we say "is in a warm bathroom"!

[apro]

Maybe someone remembers how in the late USSR the directors of enterprises were elected? And then what happened to these enterprises? sad all this ...

[Ruswolf]

Quote: apro

Maybe someone remembers how in the late USSR the directors of enterprises were elected? And then what happened to these enterprises? sad all this ...

Well said. It was the time of the Council of People's Commissars, then the kamandirs were chosen, then the time of perestroika - the councils of collectives - the directors were chosen ... Just one of those who offered not to work but high salaries. Well, they earned their salaries, and people, after a year of lack of money, still remained without work, Then the classics of the genre - they stole everything that could be carried away and sold.

[Ka-52]

Instead of supporting the most social power in the post-Soviet space, they demand its resignation. It won't end well. And do not say later that you were not warned.

Let's remember what Libya represented before and after "democratic changes".

[Zeev zeev]

Meanwhile, the workers of the MZKT posted a video from the rally, where Lukashenka was chanting “Go away” to his face. On the roofs of a sniper, the plant was packed with security forces, at the checkpoint workers were searched so as not to carry the "wrong" flag, and the people were not frightened and said their opinion in person. A couple of minutes after the appearance of the video, the Internet in the country fell.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: ZeevZeev

A couple of minutes after the appearance of the video, the Internet in the country fell.

Already earned, Overload could be. Networks with such a volume of information may not be able to cope with cellular communications at rallies.

[Zeev zeev]

Did you fail across the country?

[Grazdanin]

They have one provider for the whole country. So yes. Judging by the duration of the shutdown, it was precisely a technical failure. It happens.

[Zeev zeev]

https://providers.by/by-providers/
You can see here how many providers there are in Belarus

[Grazdanin]

It doesn't matter who provides the "last mile", they all work through Beltelecom.

[cost 75]

If Lukash leaves now, the new government will be the first to go under the knife.

[pro100y.belarus]

Quote: kos 75

If Lukash leaves now, the new government will be the first to go under the knife.

Do you

[rotmistr60]

Where you rushed, other laws. This is so that it doesn't hurt later

And in this he is right whoever and how would not relate to him. It is enough to look at the industries of those countries that were eager to enter Europe - a full paragraph. Europe does not need competitors even if they were accepted into the EU.

[Ruswolf]

Quote: rotmistr60

Europe does not need competitors even if they were accepted into the EU.

It's just that the EU is a union that has a conditionally single economy (according to the onalogue of the USSR). there everyone is assigned the limits of who produces what and how much. Adopting a new member is a reduction in the limit for all others. Ukraine has already washed up - we will feed Europe .... Only there are their own feeders and the first limits were mastered in a few months.
So the EU needs Bellorussia like a hare's fifth leg. Here the United States needs it, as does Ukraine, a territory (bridgehead) on the Russian border. Well, who else will vtyuhat Kridits, with decommissioned weapons.

[vasek5533]

It was enough to come to an agreement with Russia to fill up the MZKT with orders for years to come. So he screwed up here, and the workers see that soon there will be no orders from Russia and that's all. So, is Europe to blame and the cookies of the State Department?

[Zeev zeev]

Come on, tell us about the industries of the Czech Republic, Romania, Bulgaria, Poland ... And in general about the economies of the EU countries. They eat rats there and sleep under bridges. Only one thing is unclear, why no one flees from there to the richest (really richest) Russia or to "stable" Belarus? Even Russians from the "fascist" Baltic states do not go.

[Ruswolf]

Quote: ZeevZeev

Come on, tell us about the industries of the Czech Republic, Romania, Bulgaria, Poland ... And in general about the economies of the EU countries. They eat rats there and sleep under bridges.

And what does the economy of the countries have to do with it? In the EU, it is unified, divided by type of activity. Everyone has their own quotas. There is no increase in quotas. Redistribution only. That's why they accept temporary workers to themselves, but shares quotas - no one wants to - it's all the same income. This is the economy. They have it well-established and the EU budget is underway. Why flee to Russia? a guest worker? They have emigrants who are also not very good for permanent residence and reluctantly ?.
Vaughn Turkey is a partner, a NATO member ... but the EU does not take.

[PROXOR]

Subsidized Baltic states, from which nothing will remain.
As Igor Lastochkin says. 2-3 interesting places and the rest is complete devastation.

[Ruswolf]

Quote: PROXOR

Subsidized Baltic states, from which nothing will remain.

How nothing? The territory will remain.

[iouris]

"This is some kind of .. voluntarism!"

[habaroff.ven]

And where are those 80% "For" in the elections? Who would doubt that our centuries 70% are the same inflated.

[Fibrizio]

By the way, BB is not quite exaggerated. When I was a student, I worked part-time in commissions on voting. Sometimes I went home. Many did not hide who they were voting for. In reality, many people vote for BB. Especially pensioners. I remember a year, before the elections, pensioners were given money, either 2 or 3k, so many old people came and said "Putin is great, he gave us money, show me my dear where to put a tick for him, otherwise I'm blind."

So it's typed. The regions still love him. So, alas, if they can draw in the Duma, then there is no need, because competitors are always clowns. No matter how bad the USA is, but the second time the same clown almost never comes forward (well, or at intervals). And all of us, as they were from the 90s, are still running. Well, even the invited "guests" from politics and show business are new every time, count as at home 2 =)

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Fibrizio

By the way, BB is not quite exaggerated. When I was a student, I worked part-time in commissions on voting.

The fact that at the peak of 70% was for sure, but that was 6 years ago, now it is about 30-35% Which is still a lot, this means that in the elections today he will be able to gain 50 percent. But in 4 years there is little support what will remain if not before.
There is no positive agenda, at least there was something before. Like doubling GDP. Now only horror stories about the 90s. Although the time passed from them twice as long as they lasted.

[Trapp1st]

But after 4 years

In 4 years, BB will have the same problems as Luke today.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Fibrizio

I remember a year, before the elections, pensioners were given money, either 2 or 3k, so many old people came and said "Putin is great, he gave us money, show me my dear where to put a tick for him, otherwise I'm blind."

It smells of bribery of voters.

[iouris]

Quote: habaroff.ven

And where are those 80% "For" in the elections?

The main thing is not "where", but "who" votes. British scientists have proved that only 2% are capable of thinking, another 5% think what they think, and the rest would rather commit suicide than start thinking. That is why it is so easy to destroy "superfluous" states and "superfluous" people. They will vote for it themselves.

[Sklendarka]

English scientists are, of course, scientists ...

[Maxim L]

Russians, I am addressing you as a Belarusian living in Minsk. I beg you, do not support Lukashenka. In the 21st century, we had real torture in prisons last week. Moreover, in such quantities that it simply does not work out. Many already have friends who have experienced this. At worst, acquaintances of acquaintances.
I tell you from my heart - no one has anything against Russia. Everyone wants to remove the crazy schizophrenic who ordered the torture in the country.
Looked at Russian news. Your propaganda shows the situation VERY one-sidedly. There is practically no word in the official media about the brutal detention and torture in prisons. Torture !!! 21 century! As far as I know, they don't torture in Russia yet. Navalny says he wants and is safe. And we are REALLY tortured. Last week "hapanuli" 6 thousand people
I don't understand why you Russians are so fixated on Luka. I assure you, no one thinks of quarreling with Russia. There were several hundred thousand people at the rally in Minsk yesterday. Everyone wants one thing - that the sick dictator and tyrant go away. There was no talk at all about Europe, the USA and Russia. Yesterday I was talking in a crowd with a 53-year-old man. He just loves Russia. He told me what kind of goat Luka is, because dares to yap at Russia. I didn’t explain to him that Putin didn’t care about the victims in Belarus. So many such people stood yesterday in the white-red-white crowd.
We have enough people in Belarus who can be put in place of Luka and keep the course of friendship with Russia. Everyone understands very well that we are very much tied to Russia.
And what is the official government of Russia doing? Supports an unspoken bloody beast. I'll tell you that it starts to sadden very much (and the next stage and dislike) of ordinary Belarus

[Grazdanin]

The people of Russia with the people of Belarus. Belarus has made its choice. There was not a single poster or statement against Russia. In Russia, some are obscured by propaganda, no more. There are a lot of bots. And the Russian government has long betrayed our interests, they have one task to rob and retain power.

[bulava]

This is something that obscures your eyes in Warsaw, papery and crispy

[kepmor]

Maxim, do you know why most of us are so "drowned" for onions? ... they get scared at the thought of how to live without the tsar's whip and moldy gingerbread ...
everything that does not fit into their stereotype causes a brain rupture completely ...
the terrible thing is that, continuing to cling to power with his teeth and speculating with alleged support of the Kremlin, Luka unwittingly provokes small-town nationalism with liberal howl ...

[Maxim L]

We had many before who "drown" for Luka because of "it becomes scary at the thought of how to live without the tsar's whip and without a moldy carrot ...
everything that does not fit into their stereotype causes a brain rupture completely ... "
But after being tortured, even such people went against Luke. Now actually 80% of Belarusians are against Luka. Even in villages and remote provinces, people come out. This has never happened. Torture was the last straw. Nobody wants to live in a country where people are tortured. Mlyn, in normal countries, maniacs, rapists and other trash are not tortured. And here those who disagree with Luka are tortured. It's just tin. How can this be in the 21st century

[loki565]

But in Ukraine, leaflets were distributed, and now we all see the result. It is not for this that the West supports the opposition so much that Belarus would remain a union state with Russia.

[Maxim L]

There was a lot of things on the Maidan that are not available in Belarus. There were various oligarchs who, in principle, do not exist in Belarus. There was division within the nation. In the west, there are stubborn nationalists. There are completely different people in the east. On the Maidan there was a "Maskalaka for Gilyak". There is NOT a single slogan against the Russians in Minsk. I have never heard or seen. And I went to all the rallies
There is no such thing in Belarus. All the people stood up against torture. The people are one. Watch videos from all cities of Belarus. Even the province has risen. This has never happened. I am generally silent about Minsk. People are being tortured! You understand that. In what civilized country are people tortured? It's just tin.

[purple]

Unfortunately, the zmagars saddled the protest, and look at Tikhanovskaya's program, not a word about friendship with Russia, and you drown for her ...

[Terrible GMO]

Quote: purple

and look at Tikhanovskaya's program, not a word about friendship with Russia, and you are drowning for her ...

There is one point - re-elections within 6 months. Of course there will be no word about friendship. Neither is it about friendship with the EU.

[parusnik]

We have enough people in Belarus who can replace Luka

.... "Announce the entire list, please!" (C) ... What is the opposition's program? Something like that:
Gritian: Well, how can one go without a program? Well, what am I to you, a gangster from the highway? I am the ideological chieftain. And all my guys are like one ...
Popandopulo: ... Stand for a free personality.
Gapusya (aside, to the women): So they will rob.
These are jokes ... throw off ... then what ...

[svan26]

Maxim! Nobody in Russia supports Lukashenko. It's your problems. Another thing is that when you repeat the path of Ukraine, it will already become our problem. In addition, Lukashenka's economy will not work without him. No matter how anyone treats her. There will be another and most likely without the Russian market.

[PROXOR]

Belarusian. I am writing to you as a Russian born and living in Moscow. I was with you and your eyes were happy. The enterprises are working, the land of the plow. People live. On your shoulders will come those who blame Russia for all the troubles. They will close the borders and you will applaud it. You will be left without a single BIG market for your products. Your neighbors have already lost their giants: Nikolaev shipyards, Motor Sich, Yuzhmash, Antonov. KhTZ is still holding on to its last strength. You will answer for yourself. Who is after Lukash? Lukash, even for 26 years, has filled you with an ascom, but you live better than the Ukrainians. Even go to their resorts.
Understand a simple thing. The West needs you only as a springboard. You are the last bastion of common sense in the west of us. You and the Serbs.
Living in Moscow, I envy you. There is not a single factory left in Moscow. ZIL, AZLK, Hammer and Sickle and a bunch of other factories have sunk into the summer. Capitalism is fucking.
We need to change Lukash. Change, but not by rallies. Learn, grow, occupy leadership positions and change policies for the benefit of the Belarusian people.

[Maxim L]

". Enterprises are working, the land of the plow." Do you know why? Because the Russian Federation has sponsored Luka for so many years. And now he doesn't want to. Therefore, everything went downhill. All success was an illusion. When Putin stopped giving free resources, the illusion began to disintegrate. Do you think we have many normal enterprises? Yes, most of them are unprofitable
"Understand a simple thing. The West needs you only as a springboard." Everyone understands this. Poetmou for the West, very few people "drown".
"We need to change Lukash. Change, but not by rallies. Learn, grow, occupy leading posts and change policy for the good of the Belarusian people." I'll tell you something that you don't understand. It's impossible with us. Luke really jails all those who disagree. For example, I'm an engineer. I have created a cell in a factory. There are 200 hard workers in it. The KGB will immediately come for me and put me in jail. And no reason is needed. They will write anything. For example, prepare riots. This is how my country lives
I have recently added torture. This was the last straw

[Gennady Fomkin]

Living in Moscow, I envy you. There is not a single factory left in Moscow. ZIL, AZLK, Hammer and Sickle and a bunch of other factories have sunk into the summer. Capitalism is fucking. In 2011, Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin dismissed the director of ZIL in connection with charges of money laundering, theft and looting of enterprises. According to the mayor, the head of the plant received an annual salary of 250 million rubles, while the employees of the enterprise were not paid money. There are two options: either the complete oblivion of the ZIL brand, or its rebirth in a new quality. The stylistics of the USSR are back in fashion for the last few years, and the population has a demand for nostalgic projects. Therefore, it is possible that we will still see the ZILs. But these will be completely different cars, and have nothing to do with the grandiose past of AMO ZIL.

[PROXOR]

And where will they be produced? Moscow has colossal human resources, but there are no enterprises. But something seems to me definitely not in Moscow. region will produce. All large companies began to establish their offices from Moscow. The same VimpelCom in Moscow has a little left. Everything else has been moved to neighboring areas.

[arlekin]

Dont be upset. Russia supports you.

[pro100y.belarus]

Quote: Maxim L

Russians, I am addressing you as a Belarusian living in Minsk. I beg you, do not support Lukashenka.

It is useless to waste time and nerves. I've been explaining this to them for a week. Like peas against the wall.
Soloviev and Skabeeva with their "experts" are resting.
Some are brainwashed by propaganda, some work out their salaries. Such an installation. There are only a few with their opinion, and even those are terribly minus.
What can I say, welcome to ZOMBILAND.

[Mihail55]

How little he works now at when mighty enterprises ...
Our YaMZ and YaZTA once also thundered. On one 2 thousand, the other was ruined. Many thanks to Deripaska !!! Of course, it's hard to see from a distance, but what do workers from factories and oppositionists of all stripes have in common? Where is the union? Same as our pocket one? It's a pity if the Maidan wins in and in Belarus ... the border will be closer again! Hostile !!!

[bulava]

Unfortunately, the striking hard workers in Belarus do not know this. They ditched a lot of factories under EBN. People suffered in poverty, devastation, unemployment and crime were off scale, but on the other hand THE WEST LIKED VERY

[askort154]

Lukashenko at MZKT: If you don't want to work, if you want to leave, the doors are open.


Speech not by a statesman, but by a collective farm chairman. He this
does not rally around itself, but on the contrary, repels those who still hesitate on which side to take. I see only one option for Russia. To persuade him to create a cabinet of the new government, include only pro-Russian officials and the head of government, and then he resigned for health reasons, tra