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Transportation of the Lun ekranoplan to land begins in Dagestan

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The transportation of a rocket ekranoplan to land has begun, which is now in the Caspian Sea near the Dagestan city of Derbent. It is planned to install it 150 meters from the coast in the city park "Patriot".


The press service of the Derbent administration reports.

The representative of the city administration said that no specific deadlines were set for the performers:

We have no time limits. Those whom we have hired for transportation and installation have the main task to have a result. People are doing their job.

At the moment, there are no difficulties with the transportation of unique military equipment.

A representative of the agency, who is currently at the site, said that the ekranoplan is supported on the surface of the water by two inflatable pontoons and is gradually pulled up to the shore using a cable. The process itself is of great interest to the vacationers watching it.

The project 903 Lun Soviet strike missile ekranoplan was built at the Volga plant located in Gorky, which is now called Nizhny Novgorod. The ekranoplan is designed to strike missiles at enemy surface ships. Its high speed and stealth radar allows it to approach aircraft carriers at close range for a rocket attack.

It was planned to create eight such ekranoplanes, but only one was built. In 1986 he was sent to the Caspian Sea, where he successfully passed the tests and was transferred to the troops. In 1991, his service ended.
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  1. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 16 August 2020 16: 01 New
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    The combat value of ekranoplanes is debatable, but what cannot be taken away is the beauty of the apparatus. It's good that it will become an exhibit, not a recyclable material.
    1. FIR FIR
      FIR FIR 16 August 2020 16: 10 New
      -21
      The combat value of ekranoplanes is controversial ...

      The combat value is near-zero. But the economic advantage of this technical product is enormous. If the Soviet empire had not collapsed, ekranoplanes would have strongly pushed traditional aviation.
      1. Iris
        Iris 16 August 2020 19: 51 New
        -2
        Absolutely agree. Before the civilian use of ekranoplanes did not reach our hands, and this is a great pity.
    2. dauria
      dauria 16 August 2020 16: 20 New
      24
      but what cannot be taken away is the beauty of the apparatus.

      Beauty here is not simple - engineering beauty. Alekseev was able to solve the problem of stable movement without any electronics and rudders both in hydrofoils and in ekranoplanes. Two wings . The front is in screen mode, the back is off-screen (this is not an ordinary GO, as they say). His daughter worked at Sormovsky. Somehow there was a transfer. The area-to-shoulder ratio is central to this machine.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 16 August 2020 16: 34 New
        -1
        I'm sorry. Where did you see PGO there?
        1. dauria
          dauria 16 August 2020 16: 35 New
          +8
          I'm sorry. Where did you see PGO there

          laughing And where did you see the PGO in my comments?
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 16 August 2020 16: 42 New
            -2
            two wings: front and rear - what is this about?
            1. dauria
              dauria 16 August 2020 16: 50 New
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              two wings: front and rear - what is this about?


              It's about floating focus of the screen wing. Okay, I'll sign it in more detail.
              Alekseev not just carried the GO to the very top of the keel. The screen effect disappears one third of the chord to the screen. This is the highlight - the focus of the front wing walks from the distance above the water, the rear one does not. Note that this does not change the angle of attack at all, like in a conventional aircraft. Ideally, the ekranoplan and the elevator are not needed.
              1. tlauicol
                tlauicol 16 August 2020 16: 56 New
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                So this is about the tail, you wrote "rear wing"? Such a healthy tail is needed to prevent the Lun from hitting his nose (the pressure of the screen is concentrated on the trailing edge of the ES, overturning the apparatus forward). At the same time, excess weight and resistance are acquired. And balancing depends on the height of the screen, so this highlight is across the throat
              2. tlauicol
                tlauicol 17 August 2020 06: 40 New
                +1
                Quote: dauria
                two wings: front and rear - what is this about?


                The screen effect disappears one third of the chord to the screen.

                wassat ingenious, melat!
      2. Vitaly.17
        Vitaly.17 16 August 2020 17: 07 New
        +8
        From the point of view of efficiency in terms of weight, speed and cost of delivery of goods, this miracle will not be analogous for a long time. But unfortunately in those days no one set out to design an infrastructure taking into account the entire product life cycle. This task was left to the mercy of individual personalities of the military-political leadership, who did not consider economic and technological aspects in principle, not their level. Poem, after the death of Alekseev, the problem of combat use arose, which is directly related to the lack of normal combat support in the Navy. Because for the autonomous action of the ekranoplan in the oceanic zone, the range of its weapons and the corresponding dimensions must be comparable to the aircraft carrier.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 17 August 2020 10: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: Vitaly.17
          From the point of view of efficiency in terms of weight, speed and cost of delivery of goods, this miracle will not be analogous for a long time.

          Ordinary An-124.
          If ekranoplans were what they advertise, air carriers would have switched to them long ago. smile
      3. rich
        rich 16 August 2020 18: 14 New
        +8
        Soviet strike missile ekranoplan project 903 "Lun"
        1. rich
          rich 16 August 2020 18: 25 New
          +4
          Soviet strike missile ekranoplan project 903 "Lun"

          The ekranoplan is designed to combat surface ships by inflicting a missile strike in conditions of weak opposition from the enemy's air attack. The main target of the missile carrier is aircraft carriers. The ekranoplan "Lun" due to its high speed and stealth for radars can approach aircraft carriers at a distance of accurate missile launch
          Performance characteristics
          Wingspan - 44,00 m;
          Length - 73,80 m;
          Height - 19,20 m;
          Wing area - 550,00 m2;
          Weight:
          empty aircraft - 243 kg,
          maximum takeoff - 380 kg;
          Engine type - NK-87;
          Thrust - 8 × 13 kgf;
          Maximum speed - 500 km / h;
          Practical range - 2000 km;
          Flight altitude on the screen - 1 ... 5 m;
          Seaworthiness - 5 ... 6 points;
          Crew - 10 people .;
          Armament:
          3 × 2 - PU PKR 3M-80 "Mosquito",
          2 × 4 - 23 mm AU UKU-9K-502-II.
          1. rich
            rich 16 August 2020 18: 28 New
            +8
            Some photos








            1. rich
              rich 16 August 2020 18: 32 New
              +6
              Projections of project 903 "Lun"


            2. seregatara1969
              seregatara1969 17 August 2020 06: 48 New
              +2
              How many great ideas and engineers were involved in creating it!
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 17 August 2020 10: 45 New
            +2
            Quote: Rich
            The ekranoplan is designed to combat surface ships by inflicting a missile strike in conditions weak countermeasures from enemy air attack means. The main target of the missile carrier is aircraft carriers.

            What is it like? Weak countermeasures from the air forces when attacking an aircraft carrier? belay
            Quote: Rich
            The ekranoplan "Lun" due to its high speed and stealth for radars can approach aircraft carriers at a distance of accurate missile launch

            WIG craft "Lun" due to its high speed (subsonic) perfectly distinguishes even a primitive SDC from reflections from waves. Let me remind you that the AUG air defense was sharpened to detect and defeat ALCM and SLCM, the size of which (and EPR) is much smaller than that of flying missile boat.
      4. Angelo Provolone
        Angelo Provolone 17 August 2020 00: 12 New
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        Alekseev was able to solve the problem of stable movement without any electronics and rudders both in hydrofoils and in ekranoplanes.

        Talented people sometimes slide into wild insanity. For example, Alekseev, academician Sakharov. It is necessary to limit their activity in time, so that they do not twist what is not necessary. Hydrofoil is an achievement.
    3. garri-lin
      garri-lin 16 August 2020 16: 37 New
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      The combat value, at the time of creation, was quite high. The development of radars has offset the benefits. And so it was possible to quickly enhance the strike potential of the KUG in the near sea zone.
      1. dSK
        dSK 16 August 2020 16: 48 New
        -19
        Eight engines. Probably because of such a consumption of kerosene, and served only 5 years.
        Carrying capacity of "Buran" - 30 tons, 1 flight. Gigantomania killed both.
        The US shuttle X-37 turned out to be more optimal and in demand.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 16 August 2020 17: 05 New
          +1
          And where does Buran and X 37? Lun was working out the concept of a shock ekranoplan. In terms of "cost / efficiency" and flexibility of application, it was inferior to aircraft. But the combat effectiveness was quite high.
        2. Genry
          Genry 16 August 2020 18: 09 New
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          Quote: dsk
          Eight engines. Probably because of such a consumption of kerosene, and served only 5 years.

          What is the specific expense?
          Only two engines worked in the ground flight mode. The rest are needed as boosters for overclocking from the water.
        3. da Vinci
          da Vinci 16 August 2020 18: 30 New
          +1
          Do not confuse warm with soft. hi
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 17 August 2020 10: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: garri-lin
        The combat value, at the time of creation, was quite high.


        Grumman E-2 Hawkeye. Introduced into service in 1964. Taking into account the size and speed of the ekranoplan, the range of its detection by the AWACS aircraft is similar to the detection range of the MRK class target.
        In general, the ekranoplan combined the survivability and defensive armament of the missile carrier with the dimensions and maneuverability of the MRK. And the speed was in the middle. smile
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 17 August 2020 11: 58 New
          -1
          The ekranoplan could afford defensive weapons at the level of a modern corvette. The size allowed. Aviation is simply more flexible. And the regiment of that 22 is better than for the same money Looney. But purely at the expense of beauty, you can even dream.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 17 August 2020 12: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: garri-lin
            The ekranoplan could afford defensive weapons at the level of a modern corvette. The size allowed.

            AK-176, "Dagger" or "Dagger"? Cut the sturgeon, please. smile
            One antenna post of the air defense missile system with its burdocks (even under the fairings) will kill all aerodynamics.
            Only aircraft weapons remain. But it will also have to be modified taking into account the low speed of the carrier and the low launch height.
            And the main thing is that the area of ​​the upper deck is not rubber. If we put on defensive weapons, then we cut off the shock weapons. Plus, there are quite large dead zones around the anti-ship missile launcher, in which nothing can be placed. Plus centering.
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 17 August 2020 12: 37 New
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              HEADLIGHTS on the body and missiles of the type of a hot TOP. More is not needed. The missiles are not in the fuselage but in the wings.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 17 August 2020 13: 39 New
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                Quote: garri-lin
                HEADLIGHT on the case

                Established? Or conformal / internal placement, which still needs to be done?
                Quote: garri-lin
                and rockets of the blasted TOP type. More is not needed. The missiles are not in the fuselage but in the wings.

                UVP in the wings? Or even make a new rocket?
                I still don't take into account a small detail: you need to shoot from a platform moving at a speed of 400-500 km / h. There are problems with the air defense missile system - above the roof, from launching missiles to automatic target tracking when firing on the move.
                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 17 August 2020 14: 17 New
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                  Lun was a concept. A sampler and technology demonstrator. If the USSR had not disintegrated and the country's leadership had decided that the concept of ekranoplanes was viable, work on the COMBAT vehicles would begin in the late 90s and early XNUMXs. And they would do it in full. How THEN they could. So there would be a PAR.
                  Wing missiles are not a problem. There, the thickness of the plane allows. There is a lot of space.
                  It will not be possible to shoot air defense missiles on the move; there are Air Air missiles. Originally created for this purpose. It will be more expensive. But this does not change the essence. The ekranoplan could have its own air defense / missile defense of the near zone sufficient to fight off several missiles.
                  1. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 17 August 2020 15: 20 New
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                    Quote: garri-lin
                    Originally created for this purpose. It will be more expensive. But this does not change the essence. The ekranoplan could have its own air defense / missile defense of the near zone sufficient to fight off several missiles.

                    Just so that you understand what the ekranoplane will have to deal with.
                    Given the propensity of the US military-industrial complex to heavy and lengthy R&D and the Navy's love for old proven solutions, the standard missile for its destruction, most likely, would initially be the good old Phoenix with a new GOS. However, taking into account the dimensions and EPR of the ekranoplan, the task of separating the signal reflected from it against the background of reflections from the water would be much easier than for the RC.
                    And "Phoenix" is 400 kg of its own weight (of which 60 kg - warheads), flying at an altitude of 25 km at Mach 5, and then diving at the target.
                    How are we going to work on the 5-swing target? wink
                    1. garri-lin
                      garri-lin 17 August 2020 15: 39 New
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                      And what do they usually work on? WIGs were considered to replace RTOs. They wouldn't work on their own. Air superiority / parity would be created initially. This poses a problem for the Phoenix carriers. Tu 22 would have had little chance against Phoenixes either. And he, too, would need cover.
                    2. garri-lin
                      garri-lin 17 August 2020 16: 01 New
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                      Namely, I had to think about intercepting a 5-swing attack missile. The new Carapace can. Thor doesn't seem to be able to, although he should be able to overload. Larger ones may not be installed there. Air is more difficult. But there are also missiles that can. I don't remember the name. You have to google it tightly.
    4. Brturin
      Brturin 16 August 2020 17: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: stock buildbat
      The combat value of ekranoplanes is controversial,

      Let's see - Project "Orlan": return of combat ekranoplanes https://topwar.ru/145185-proekt-orlan-vozvraschenie-boevyh-ekranoplanov.html
      1. dSK
        dSK 17 August 2020 01: 06 New
        0
        If they create it, at least 2-3 times smaller, and send it to the non-freezing Nakhodka, he will scare the Japanese there, they have been "screaming" too much lately.
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 16 August 2020 16: 01 New
    +4
    Oh, and a noble apparatus!
    Monster!
    But the dead-end branch or not, the spears still crackle. And not only from sofa experts.
    1. Borik
      Borik 16 August 2020 16: 05 New
      +1
      Victor_B (Victor Petrovich)
      Today, 16: 01
      Oh, and a noble apparatus!


      Now it will be a museum of the Soviet Naval Achievement. Not one country in the world has such a device even close
    2. Fibrizio
      Fibrizio 17 August 2020 10: 12 New
      0
      They only pop on the Internet. It is like a multi-turret tank, good only at the parade to show and scare neighbors. But in fact, now all sorts of catamarans and hydrofoils drive like racing cars along the track. And their payload is orders of magnitude higher.
  3. Theodore
    Theodore 16 August 2020 16: 01 New
    0
    Well, when will the heir be sent to the duty station?
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 16 August 2020 16: 14 New
    +5
    To an eternal stop ... As an achievement of the USSR ... It's good that not on metal ...
  5. Asad
    Asad 16 August 2020 16: 30 New
    +3
    It's amazing how in the 90s. Not privatized!
  6. Old26
    Old26 16 August 2020 16: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: FIR FIR
    The combat value of ekranoplanes is controversial ...

    The combat value is near-zero. But the economic advantage of this technical product is enormous. If the Soviet empire had not collapsed, ekranoplanes would have strongly pushed traditional aviation.

    Don't write nonsense. Compare any of the ekranoplanes (in particular the "eaglet" with an aircraft of the same takeoff weight and you will see that the ekranoplan will need much more fuel, the range is shorter, it depends on weather conditions more than any transport aircraft ...
    1. Genry
      Genry 16 August 2020 18: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      Compare any of the ekranoplanes (in particular, the "eaglet" with an aircraft of the same take-off weight and you will see that much more fuel will be needed for the ekranoplan,

      And where to look?
      The ground effect has long been known, especially to pilots, because planes near the ground dramatically increase lift, which interferes with landing.
      And ekranoplanes have not really been made yet. They were assembled from various parts and engines from aircraft, which are far from the optimal speed modes of the ekranoplan.
      The ekranoplan is afraid only of high waves. Rain and wind shear are not scary (like a car).
      Small ekranoplanes are idiocy, since they cannot effectively implement their wing in the screen (it turns out a seaplane).
      1. Brturin
        Brturin 17 August 2020 09: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Genry
        Small ekranoplanes are idiocy, since they cannot effectively implement their wing in the screen (it turns out a seaplane).

        That, nevertheless, does not stop - there was a concept of a cargo-passenger ekranoplan EP-15
    2. Brturin
      Brturin 17 August 2020 08: 10 New
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Compare any of the ekranoplanes (in particular, the "eaglet" with an aircraft similar in take-off weight, and you will see that the ekranoplan will need much more fuel, the range is shorter, it depends on weather conditions more than any transport aircraft ...

      They were ekranoplanes in the Navy, for me to compare the same Eaglet even with the Bison, at sea they solve the same problems ...
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  8. tarakan
    tarakan 16 August 2020 16: 55 New
    +5
    Quote: dsk
    Eight engines. Probably because of such a consumption of kerosene, and served only 5 years.
    Carrying capacity of "Buran" - 30 tons, 1 flight. Gigantomania killed both.
    The US shuttle X-37 turned out to be more optimal and in demand.

    If I am not mistaken, all engines worked at start, then only 2
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 16 August 2020 17: 37 New
      -5
      Quote: tarakan
      Quote: dsk
      Eight engines. Probably because of such a consumption of kerosene, and served only 5 years.
      Carrying capacity of "Buran" - 30 tons, 1 flight. Gigantomania killed both.
      The US shuttle X-37 turned out to be more optimal and in demand.

      If I am not mistaken, all engines worked at start, then only 2

      Imagine that you were given a car with 4 engines (one spare on the roof, one in the cabin and one more in the trunk): 4re are needed only to get under way, further, from second gear in one. Will it be economical? Carrying capacity, cross-country ability, speed, range, low cost, controllability, ease of maintenance, repair, basing?
      1. businessv
        businessv 16 August 2020 19: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: Tlauicol
        4re are needed only to get under way, further, from the second gear on one. Will it be economical?

        Who does not want to feed his army, feed strangers (c) Our country, with its vast territories that need a quick reaction to aggression, can afford much more than such a unique technique! This is all justified and promising so far!
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 16 August 2020 19: 35 New
          0
          I am telling you about the effectiveness of the apparatus, and you are talking about the bath. fool
          1. businessv
            businessv 16 August 2020 19: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: Tlauicol
            I am telling you about the effectiveness of the apparatus, and you are talking about the bath.

            Forgot what you wrote? I remember
            Imagine that you were given a car with 4 engines (one spare on the roof, one in the cabin and one more in the trunk): 4re are needed only to get under way, further, from second gear in one. Will it be economical? Carrying capacity, cross-country ability, speed, range, low cost, controllability, ease of maintenance, repair, basing?
            Everything concerns the economic aspect, not a single remark about combat use. So that you do not have to leave the topic next time, think that you are writing! I return the smile fool
            1. tlauicol
              tlauicol 17 August 2020 04: 08 New
              0
              fool Is it efficient to carry unnecessary engines and fuel for them instead of cargo in / on the trunk / cabin? Effectively build an unstable, non-maneuverable, overweight puzoter car? To effectively service such a miracle and base?
              Well, make a tank with extra engines instead of weapons or armor (in order to stupidly get under way, and then carry them on yourself on one). An airplane flying at 1-4 and taking off at 4-16, and then they simply do not work. fool
              Bartini tried to build a GDP plane, and then an EP with 14 engines! Of which 12 do not work in flight! Total: the device had to carry these engines and TWO tons of cargo with the grace of a pregnant turtle. 14 engines and two tons of cargo, Karl! You have to shoot for this, but he was allowed to inject hundreds of millions of full-weight rubles into this scam.
            2. tlauicol
              tlauicol 17 August 2020 04: 32 New
              -1
              fool Sew on four more legs for yourself to get under way, and fold them into your armpits as you run. We will not talk about economy (extra jeans, socks, shoes), maintenance (washing, treatment, etc.). Let's talk about efficiency?
              1. begemot20091
                begemot20091 17 August 2020 22: 27 New
                0
                I'm not even talking about efficiency: try to calculate at least the simplest reducer. practically, they counted on adding machines or using polynomials. Tesla is also a freak, but his genius is not disputed. modern engineers and sofa experts cannot read drawings. I've seen enough of these "geniuses" of thought. a lathe from a milling machine cannot be distinguished. and to write the technical process .... this is from the realm of fantasy. but they draw on computers, they just can't figure out where to stick this part. stood an hour, watched as such a cnc techie sharpened the part of the shaft according to the design !!! drawing. I ask: "Will we grind?" the answer is "we will." I didn't ask any more questions. drew up a marriage act. well the shaft was not very expensive and could be re-sharpened for a smaller electric motor. what if MTN-613-10?
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 16 August 2020 17: 10 New
    -1
    Such a topic was ruined, AUG was still on the way, and it would be necessary to have 2-3 cars for the fleet
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 17 August 2020 10: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      Such a topic was ruined, AUG was still on its way to meet

      Is that a blind AUG without airplanes. smile

      The only fleet against which the ekranoplan would be effective and invisible is the USSR Navy. Due to the complete absence of deck-based AWACS vehicles and support on air defense systems in the construction of air defense connections (with all their delights such as radio horizon). And the evil imperialists would have discovered and attacked the ekranoplan long before reaching the launch line of the anti-ship missile system. Their air defense AUG was sharpened on targets much faster and less ekranoplan - MRA aircraft and heavy KR / anti-ship missiles.
  10. Observer2014
    Observer2014 16 August 2020 17: 15 New
    -1
    We have no time limits. Those whom we have hired for transportation and installation have the main task to have a result. People are doing their job.
    This is for an adult! good Well done. if so. The work is not standard.
  11. askort154
    askort154 16 August 2020 17: 36 New
    +4
    Logically, it had to be towed to the place of its production, to the Volga plant, and an obelisk to Alekseev was erected nearby. But, we see, there was no "money" for its towing - to their "homeland." If this is weak for the state and the "new billionaires", they would throw a cry, we would fold.
  12. Arthur 85
    Arthur 85 16 August 2020 18: 04 New
    +2
    Monument to a bygone civilization.
  13. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 16 August 2020 18: 11 New
    +6
    Well done. It is necessary to preserve such machines (at least in the form of monuments). This is the pinnacle of achievements at that time in shipbuilding / aircraft building / rocket building / engine building, engineering and design thought.
    Moreover, such a machine to this day really has no analogues in the world. As I know.
  14. businessv
    businessv 16 August 2020 19: 25 New
    +1
    In 1991, his service ended.
    This is the saddest moment in the history of this technique in general and "Lunya" in particular! It is a pity to lose such developments and such promising weapons!
  15. iouris
    iouris 16 August 2020 19: 43 New
    +1
    Let it stay in Derbent and serve the development of domestic tourism. But the fact that many mass-produced samples of aircraft have not survived is a crime of the state and the ministry.
  16. Dmitriy444
    Dmitriy444 16 August 2020 20: 30 New
    +1
    Some news belated, asleep or something. He has been near the coast for 10 days already, with problems pulling out on land. Interesting photos inside: https: //zen.yandex.ru/media/lanasator/ekranoplan-lun-proekta-903-v-derbente-udalos-oboiti-ohranu-i-popast-vnutr-5f30e9b9bbe8572b801cebe9.
  17. Old26
    Old26 16 August 2020 20: 39 New
    +6
    Quote: APASUS
    Such a topic was ruined, AUG was still on the way, and it would be necessary to have 2-3 cars for the fleet

    What AUG is on the way?
    The patrol zone by deck AWACS is 400 km from the aircraft carrier. The latest Hokai models have an altitude of about 10 km. the radar viewing range of targets on the sea surface will be about 560-600 km. That is, this monster will be spotted at a distance of about 1000 km from the aircraft carrier itself. What was on the "Moon" had a range of EMNIP 120 km. Even if you put Onyxes with their 600 km range, it will take 6 hour for these 1 missiles to reach the aircraft carrier. Moreover, there will be a lot of time to intercept missiles, and a loitering pair of aircraft from an aircraft carrier will blow the ekranoplan to shreds with conventional missiles. And all three ekranoplanes to the fleet will be sunk without bringing any benefit ...

    Quote: askort154
    Logically, it had to be towed to the place of its production, to the Volga plant, and an obelisk to Alekseev was erected nearby. But, we see, there was no "money" for its towing - to their "homeland." If this is weak for the state and the "new billionaires", they would throw a cry, we would fold.

    There is a second ekranoplan of this type on "Krasnoye Sormovo", which was going to be completed as a rescuer. It just can be used as a monument to Alekseev
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 16 August 2020 22: 55 New
      0
      WIGs were not supposed to work alone. The KUG that came out to intercept the enemy's AUG at the moment of the strike could be reinforced from the shore with ekranoplanes. Two pairs of cars from different angles, in sync with aviation, submarines and ships. Plus, the ekranoplan could return to base much faster for reloading, if it survives, of course. Lun was used for technology development. Based on this experience, it became clear that aircraft of the Tu 22 type are more flexible in use for the same amount. But this in no way diminishes the combat capabilities of the ekranoplan. 6 mosquitoes of 4500 kg each is 27 tons. And 27 tons is 4 Granites. Although a wet start spoils the whole first impression. But the problem was solvable. And 4 GRANITE is a lot. And the range is different.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 17 August 2020 11: 05 New
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        Quote: garri-lin
        The KUG that came out to intercept the enemy's AUG at the moment of the strike could be reinforced from the shore with ekranoplanes. Two pairs of cars from different angles, in sync with aircraft, submarines and ships.

        It’s easier to give the fleet another MPA squadron with this money. She will go to the launch area faster, and she has more chances of surviving than this subsonic flying RCA.
        Quote: garri-lin
        Plus, the ekranoplan could return to base much faster for reloading, if it survives, of course.

        Not faster than Tu-22M3.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 17 August 2020 12: 00 New
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          I have already written above that aviation is more flexible.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 17 August 2020 12: 36 New
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            Quote: garri-lin
            I have already written above that aviation is more flexible.

            PMSM, therefore, the topic of ekranoplanes did not receive development, focusing on experimental machines.
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 17 August 2020 12: 41 New
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              But this does not negate the combat effectiveness of ekranoplanes. With modern Zirconia, they would look just fine. But alas, aviation is more flexible and such krsavtsy remained on paper.
    2. Ali
      Ali 24 August 2020 14: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      Quote: APASUS
      Such a topic was ruined, AUG was still on the way, and it would be necessary to have 2-3 cars for the fleet


      What AUG is on the way?
      The patrol zone by deck AWACS is 400 km from the aircraft carrier. The latest Hokai models have an altitude of about 10 km. the radar viewing range of targets on the sea surface will be about 560-600 km. That is, this monster will be spotted at a distance of about 1000 km from the aircraft carrier itself. What was on the "Moon" had a range of EMNIP 120 km. Even if you put Onyxes with their 600 km range, it will take 6 hour for these 1 missiles to reach the aircraft carrier. Moreover, there will be a lot of time to intercept missiles, and a loitering pair of aircraft from an aircraft carrier will blow the ekranoplan to shreds with conventional missiles. And all three ekranoplanes to the fleet will be sunk without bringing any benefit ...

      Citizen! Old "26! Do not be confused, dear," try donkey with donkey!
      1. The range of the E-2D "Edvanst Hawkeye" patrol is 320 km, not 400 km, although it is much longer when refueling is applied.
      2. The service ceiling is 9,4 km, not 10 km.
      3. The detection range of the "Lun" ekranoplan by the "AN / APY-9" radar against the background of the water (excluding it) surface is about 420 km, and not 560-600 km, as you write, and maybe even less, so as the radar data is not publicly available, or at least I did not find it in the sources. The United States can detect an ekranoplan at a distance of no more than 740 km, and not 1000 km as you write.
      4. The new Onyx-M anti-ship missiles have a maximum firing range of 800 km.
      5. Considering the above. Onyx-M anti-ship missiles will reach an aircraft carrier in about 18 minutes, not 1 hour, as you write.

      You are very mistaken.
  18. Pavel57
    Pavel57 16 August 2020 21: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: Iris
    Absolutely agree. Before the civilian use of ekranoplanes did not reach our hands, and this is a great pity.

    They were to be riveted in the Crimea.
  19. tarakan
    tarakan 16 August 2020 21: 32 New
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    Quote: Tlauicol
    Quote: tarakan
    Quote: dsk
    Eight engines. Probably because of such a consumption of kerosene, and served only 5 years.
    Carrying capacity of "Buran" - 30 tons, 1 flight. Gigantomania killed both.
    The US shuttle X-37 turned out to be more optimal and in demand.

    If I am not mistaken, all engines worked at start, then only 2

    Imagine that you were given a car with 4 engines (one spare on the roof, one in the cabin and one more in the trunk): 4re are needed only to get under way, further, from second gear in one. Will it be economical? Carrying capacity, cross-country ability, speed, range, low cost, controllability, ease of maintenance, repair, basing?

    The tank has an engine resource of 500 km, not economical, write off? ICBMs are just disposable.
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 17 August 2020 04: 22 New
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      Well, put three more engines on the tank and let's talk about the sustainer life of 120 km.
      Add a bunch of extra engines to the ICBM instead of fuel and reduce the warhead, range and speed
  20. DPN
    DPN 16 August 2020 22: 11 New
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    If the Navy had such devices, perhaps there would have been no tragedies, "KURSK" And for the fact that they managed to save this VESSEL, thank you very much.
  21. Old26
    Old26 16 August 2020 22: 30 New
    +4
    Quote: DPN
    If the Navy had such devices, perhaps there would have been no tragedies, "KURSK" And for the fact that they managed to save this VESSEL, thank you very much.

    And how could this have prevented the Kursk tragedy? Would he dive under the water and dock to the escape hatch? What nonsense. "Peter the Great" was generally several miles from the damaged Kursk, and other ships too. And what did this give to the boat lying at the bottom?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 17 August 2020 11: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: Old26

      And how could this have prevented the Kursk tragedy?

      Apparently, he meant "Komsomolets". But there is also a question - could the ekranoplan be able to land on the water with that roughness and wind? Or would you have to save him too?
      The fleet did not need to dream of ekranoplanes, but to bring to mind and keep in readiness the existing ACC - An-12 machine with a boat.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 17 August 2020 22: 01 New
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        It is necessary to develop a new ACC apparatus on the basis of the Il-76 with a new boat weighing 40-45 tons ...
  22. Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 17 August 2020 01: 07 New
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    The graceful bending of the nose of the fuselage, the smooth transition to the wing, the protruding engine nacelles - all this is a consequence of the integral layout of the LUN ekranoplan, in which the lift is formed not only by the wing planes, but also due to the special shape of the fuselage!



    Finally, something that cannot be seen with the naked eye. The degree of longitudinal static stability of the MOON is negative and amounts to 5% of the mean aerodynamic chord of the wing (MAR).

    A huge contribution was made by the specialists of the Alekseev Design Bureau - real geniuses in their field. As a result, despite the similar value of the wing load (≈300 kg / sq. M), the LUNYa's lift coefficient is one and a half times higher than that of the American Eagle, and the maximum aerodynamic quality (the ratio of lift to drag) reached 12 units (such values ​​are found only on passenger airliners). Extremely volatile design!
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 17 August 2020 04: 41 New
      -2
      Quote: Santa Fe
      the maximum aerodynamic quality (the ratio of lift to frontal resistance) reached 12 units (such values ​​are found only in passenger airliners). Extremely volatile design!

      Where is the droushka?
      But even if so, then he flies in the densest layers and to the liner he .............
      Plus extra weight. And longitudinal instability at this height is not a plus, but a barrel of gunpowder
  23. Private-K
    Private-K 17 August 2020 08: 19 New
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    And why the unique engineering structure built in Nizh. Novgorod will be installed in Derbent, which is no side to this?
    1. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 17 August 2020 10: 31 New
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      Eh, go far. In Monino ... ((
  24. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 17 August 2020 10: 09 New
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    Its high speed and stealth radar allows it to approach aircraft carriers at close range for a rocket attack.

    Uh-huh ... an object the size of a missile boat flying at subsonic speed is extremely invisible to the Hawkeye. smile
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  26. Old26
    Old26 17 August 2020 13: 00 New
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    Quote: Private-K
    And why the unique engineering structure built in Nizh. Novgorod will be installed in Derbent, which is no side to this?

    Because all ekranoplanes ("Eagles" and "Lun") were based in the Caspian Sea. And nowhere else, except in the Caspian Sea, have they been tested and applied. Before that, he was at the Dagdizel plant, occupying a fairly large area. So, in Derbent it will at least be useful, as an exhibit of the Patriot park

    Quote: garri-lin
    The ekranoplan could afford defensive weapons at the level of a modern corvette. The size allowed. Aviation is simply more flexible. And the regiment of that 22 is better than for the same money Looney. But purely at the expense of beauty, you can even dream.

    I would like to know where you would like to put the surface-to-air missiles. Defensive is two pairs of 23 mm cannons. Nothing else would fit into it.
  27. Old26
    Old26 17 August 2020 15: 05 New
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    Quote: Alexey RA
    Uh-huh ... an object the size of a missile boat

    More like a small rocket ship. The same our missile boats 205 of the Moskit project (“Wasp” in NATO) are half as long. It's more like our "Buyany-M" in length
  28. Old26
    Old26 17 August 2020 18: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
    Eh, go far. In Monino ... ((

    Alas, it cannot be delivered to Monino in any way
  29. tarakan
    tarakan 17 August 2020 18: 12 New
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    Quote: Tlauicol
    Well, put three more engines on the tank and let's talk about the sustainer life of 120 km.
    Add a bunch of extra engines to the ICBM instead of fuel and reduce the warhead, range and speed

    Good day, I "hint" at the survivability of the equipment on the battlefield, the ekranoplan is alive until the missiles are released, then written off
  30. Old26
    Old26 26 August 2020 14: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: Ali
    Citizen! Old "26! Do not be confused, dear," try donkey with donkey!
    1. The range of the E-2D "Edvanst Hawkeye" patrol is 320 km, not 400 km, although it is much longer when refueling is applied.
    2. The service ceiling is 9,4 km, not 10 km.
    3. The detection range of the "Lun" ekranoplan by the "AN / APY-9" radar against the background of the water (excluding it) surface is about 420 km, and not 560-600 km, as you write, and maybe even less, so as the radar data is not publicly available, or at least I did not find it in the sources. The United States can detect an ekranoplan at a distance of no more than 740 km, and not 1000 km as you write.
    4. The new Onyx-M anti-ship missiles have a maximum firing range of 800 km.
    5. Considering the above. Onyx-M anti-ship missiles will reach an aircraft carrier in about 18 minutes, not 1 hour, as you write.
    You are very mistaken.

    1. Don't cling to tens of kilometers. Still, if there is an error, then by tens, not hundreds of kilometers. You yourself write that the radius of action when refueling will be much greater. And 320 km is when patrolling in the zone for 3-4 hours.
    2. Yes, you are right, the ceiling is 9,4 km, not 10 km, but this will not reduce the range by much. I agree, my blooper is 560-600 km, but in principle, if we judge all the possibilities of E-3D, then with an increase in the radius and a decrease in the detection range, the figure will still be close to 1000 km, and not to 720. Moreover, the figure of 720 km is not clear , or it is the range of detection of the ekranoplan from the point of "standing" "Hokai". or the total range. Which is small in itself.
    3. The new "Onyx-M", as you call it, has not yet been put into service and only the development of this missile has been announced. So let's leave the range of 800 km for the future. Now this range in the anti-ship missile version is about 600 km.
    4. And based on this, there can be no talk of any 18 minutes. The ekranoplan must pass those 400 km out of 1000 km of the detection range at its own speed, that is, at a maximum speed of 550 km / h (but rather at a lower one). That is, roughly speaking, most of this hour the ekranoplan will move, and only minutes (tens) - the "Onyx" itself.

    So I was not very wrong in my calculations.
    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 28 August 2020 12: 16 New
      +1
      Vladimir, "Ali" is a troll known as "I-diot Vasya", who is constantly banned, but he starts new accounts. Engaging in dialogue with him is counterproductive.