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The Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine explained the need to purchase the Embraer EMB 314 Super Tucano attack aircraft

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The Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine explained the need to purchase the Embraer EMB 314 Super Tucano attack aircraft

The Brazilian lightweight turboprop attack aircraft Embraer EMB 314 Super Tucano is really of interest to the Ukrainian Air Force, but not as a replacement for combat aircraft in service. This was reported by the press service of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.


According to the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the information on the purchase of Super Tucano to replace combat aircraft such as MiG-29, Su-27, Su-24M, Su-25, Su-24MR "does not correspond to reality." This aircraft is considered as a combat training aircraft.

The Super Tucano aircraft was considered during the working trip of the delegation of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Brazil in 2019 as a combat training aircraft, which, according to its characteristics, can replace the so-called "school desk" for military aviators, the combat training aircraft L-39

- said in a statement.

The combat aircraft in service with the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be replaced by a foreign-made fighter of the 4 ++ generation, candidates for replacement are now being considered.

It was about replacing the Su-27, Su-24M, Su-25, Su-24MR aircraft that are in service with the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with a foreign-made 4 ++ generation multi-role fighter, but this is not an Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano. (...) this type of aircraft does not combine such characteristics and such a replacement is impractical and meaningless

- stressed in the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces.

Earlier, the military department of Ukraine has repeatedly stated its interest in the Brazilian attack aircraft.

Recall that Ukraine has adopted a program for the modernization of the country's air force for 2021-2035. For this period aviation should completely get rid of the already obsolete MiG-29, Su-27, Su-24M, Su-25, Su-24MR Soviet-made and adopt a "modern" fighter. Several options are considered as the main candidate, but the Swedish Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen and the American F-16 Block 70/72 are called more preferable for the country's air force. In total, it is planned to purchase from 72 to 108 fighters.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 16 August 2020 09: 25
    +6
    the so-called "school desk" for military aviators, combat training aircraft L-39
    If it's a "school desk", then to replace "Jacob", but not like "Albatross"
    1. Alkonavt
      Alkonavt 16 August 2020 09: 43
      15
      Shameful! And this is the country that built tanks and aircraft carriers, helicopter engines, etc.
      Corn workers, and even in Brazil, buy .. The same is waiting for Belarus!
      1. mvg
        mvg 16 August 2020 10: 12
        10
        Embraer enters Boeing. Not the worst aircraft manufacturer
        1. COJIDAT
          COJIDAT 16 August 2020 17: 17
          +5
          Rather, Boeing regularly enters Embraer)
        2. Ivan Tixiy
          Ivan Tixiy 16 August 2020 18: 47
          +2
          Well, yes, it is necessary for "rich" Ukraine to support "poor" America in the person of Boeing
        3. Pavel57
          Pavel57 17 August 2020 10: 16
          +2
          April 27. - Aircraft corporation Boeing changed its mind about buying the business of Brazilian competitor Embraer, which will save it $ 4,2 billion. Boeing said that they failed to agree on the terms of the deal by April 24, and the concern used the right to terminate the agreement.
          1. mvg
            mvg 17 August 2020 12: 24
            0
            exercised the right to terminate the agreement.

            I used data from 18 years old. I have not seen the latest news. I remembered that almost since January, Boeing bought a controlling stake.
      2. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 16 August 2020 10: 19
        -6
        Quote: Alkonavt
        Shameful! And this is the country that built tanks and aircraft carriers, helicopter engines, etc.
        Corn workers, and even in Brazil, buy .. The same is waiting for Belarus!

        This country did not build aircraft carriers, and they are building tanks now, but they are building helicopter engines.
        If the Belarusians do not let foreign capital in, then everything will be ok.
        1. Quadro
          Quadro 16 August 2020 12: 19
          +4
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Quote: Alkonavt
          Shameful! And this is the country that built tanks and aircraft carriers, helicopter engines, etc.
          Corn workers, and even in Brazil, buy .. The same is waiting for Belarus!

          This country did not build aircraft carriers, and they are building tanks now, but they are building helicopter engines.
          If the Belarusians do not let foreign capital in, then everything will be ok.

          What kind of tanks are they building? For many years they have only taken old hulls and tanks from a landfill and put foreign stuffing in them. Even the vaunted strongholds have drunk old stuff.
          1. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 16 August 2020 13: 26
            -8
            Quote: Quadro
            Quote: Vol4ara
            Quote: Alkonavt
            Shameful! And this is the country that built tanks and aircraft carriers, helicopter engines, etc.
            Corn workers, and even in Brazil, buy .. The same is waiting for Belarus!

            This country did not build aircraft carriers, and they are building tanks now, but they are building helicopter engines.
            If the Belarusians do not let foreign capital in, then everything will be ok.

            What kind of tanks are they building? For many years they have only taken old hulls and tanks from a landfill and put foreign stuffing in them. Even the vaunted strongholds have drunk old stuff.

            Can I also take a tank from the landfill? Write an address
            1. January
              January 16 August 2020 14: 03
              +5
              Kiev, rembaza DVRZ, Kharkiv, sorting KhTZ 115
              , and many others.
              But they won't give you. They are greedy. And there is not much left.
          2. mvg
            mvg 16 August 2020 19: 10
            -7
            For many years they have only taken old hulls and tanks from the landfill.

            For example, 300+ tanks were delivered to Pakistan, Mi-8/24 flew on Ukrainian engines, and 22350 on their turbines. The Yak-130 was designed with a Ukrainian engine. Tank diesel engines 6-TD2 / 3 are more interesting than our B-84. And how can you get the Stronghold from the T-64/72?
            The same Slavs live in Ukraine as the Russian Federation or Belarus. A lot of Soviet groundwork remains.
            PS: Well, Shakhtar regularly plays in the Champions League semi-finals, unlike Zenit, Spartak or Loko. Even without a home stadium
            1. futuramer001
              futuramer001 16 August 2020 19: 51
              +5
              Supply of tanks to Pakistan - part of the T-80, built for the SA and remaining at the plant, part of the newly built. That was over twenty years ago. They installed normal components, in particular, Russian-made cannons. And now the collapse. Everything is written correctly. BTR-4 from BTR-70 and -80 hulls were prepared.
              1. mvg
                mvg 16 August 2020 20: 34
                11 th
                It was over twenty years ago

                And what has the Russian Federation made of the BTT in 20 years? Have you modernized part of the T-72B3 in a beggarly manner? Have we been bringing Armata to mind for 10 years? Did you sell some T-90s to Vietnam, Iraq, India and Algeria? And then we constantly lose customers. I haven't seen fat contracts for a long time.
                This means that our planes and helicopters are not competitive. Su-30MKI are worth about 80 million for export, with an established technical base, and they lose 200 million to the Rafals and Typhoons each. Not talking about diesel-electric submarines, anti-submarine warfare and transport aircraft.
                PS: And I have a question, why do Ukrainians need thousands of tanks, junk in warehouses? They have 1000 combat vehicles, which is many times more than in any EU country, with the exception of Poland. They also need to be kept.
            2. Quadro
              Quadro 17 August 2020 09: 15
              +4
              Quote: mvg
              For many years they have only taken old hulls and tanks from the landfill.

              For example, 300+ tanks were delivered to Pakistan, Mi-8/24 flew on Ukrainian engines, and 22350 on their turbines. The Yak-130 was designed with a Ukrainian engine. Tank diesel engines 6-TD2 / 3 are more interesting than our B-84. And how can you get the Stronghold from the T-64/72?
              The same Slavs live in Ukraine as the Russian Federation or Belarus. A lot of Soviet groundwork remains.
              PS: Well, Shakhtar regularly plays in the Champions League semi-finals, unlike Zenit, Spartak or Loko. Even without a home stadium

              Was it 20 years ago when you still haven't stolen it? And for your information, there were T-80s in landfills too. Well, yes croak here about the impoverished Russia less, tired of listening to fairy tales.
        2. orionvitt
          orionvitt 16 August 2020 12: 39
          +7
          Quote: Vol4ara
          and they are still building tanks, but it’s vague, they are building helicopter engines

          Yeah, two tanks a year, from the old reserves. And the helicopter engines, that's right - vyalenko. Until 2014, they did it for all of Russia and for half of the world. Now Russia is doing itself, but what have these achieved? To the evil of grandmother, they froze their own ears. Along with the brain and the rest of the body.
          1. Alkonavt
            Alkonavt 16 August 2020 13: 32
            +1
            Quote: orionvitt
            Quote: Vol4ara
            and they are still building tanks, but it’s vague, they are building helicopter engines

            Yeah, two tanks a year, from the old reserves. And the helicopter engines, that's right - vyalenko. Until 2014, they did it for all of Russia and for half of the world. Now Russia is doing itself, but what have these achieved? To the evil of grandmother, they froze their own ears. Along with the brain and the rest of the body.

            This is how it all happened Vitaly, namesake .. At first it was scary, supposedly in Russia everything should crash .. But they got out and many specialists ran into Russia and already created EVERYTHING that was needed! Yes, everything was expensive and complicated, but we wanted to spit on the Outskirts and its owners from the State Department .. negative
        3. AKS-U
          AKS-U 16 August 2020 13: 41
          -1
          Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov. The project of the Soviet ship (aircraft-carrying cruiser), the only one in the Russian Navy in its class. Built in Nikolaev, at the Black Sea shipyard. It is part of the Northern Fleet.
          1. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 16 August 2020 13: 46
            +7
            Quote: AKS-U
            Built in Nikolaev, at the Black Sea shipyard.

            It was not built by Ukraine. Built the USSR. If you don't see the difference, I can't help you ... request
            1. AKS-U
              AKS-U 11 September 2020 01: 46
              0
              WHERE -Built in Nikolaev. Place of assembly.
              WHO is the USSR.
              "If you don't see the difference, I can't help you ..."
              1. Vasyan1971
                Vasyan1971 12 September 2020 21: 50
                0
                Quote: AKS-U
                WHERE -Built in Nikolaev. Place of assembly.
                WHO is the USSR.

                Well? What did I say?
                Quote: Vasyan1971
                It was not built by Ukraine. Built the USSR.

                What's the gag? request
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        5. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 16 August 2020 14: 06
          +1
          Quote: Vol4ara
          If the Belarusians do not let foreign capital in, then everything will be ok.

          Will the Belarusians be OK with Tihanovskaya? You joked?
          1. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 16 August 2020 14: 29
            -7
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Quote: Vol4ara
            If the Belarusians do not let foreign capital in, then everything will be ok.

            Will the Belarusians be OK with Tihanovskaya? You joked?

            Here in my homeland in the Lipetsk region, the governor, a former banker, in my personal opinion, based on his statements about people during a pandemic, is a big bastard, but nevertheless he is a governor and people for him are dandruff, he has one friend and one the goal is money. Tikhanovskaya, perhaps just what is needed, for she is not a banker, not a bandit, not an oligarch, and of these 3, she is perhaps the least evil.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 16 August 2020 14: 44
              +7
              Quote: Vol4ara
              for him - dandruff, he has one friend and one goal is money. Tikhanovskaya, perhaps just what is needed, for she is not a banker, not a bandit, not an oligarch, and of these 3, she is perhaps the least evil.

              And I never said that Tikhanovskaya was a radish. I fully admit that she is a decent person and a wonderful wife. But this in no way means that she will be a good LEADER OF THE STATE. Agree, having no experience of leading large groups of people, she will start making mistakes, which will inevitably affect the living standards of Belarusians. AND???? Belarusians will begin to live worse than with my father. What is the point of fighting but father?
              1. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara 16 August 2020 14: 52
                -8
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                Quote: Vol4ara
                for him - dandruff, he has one friend and one goal is money. Tikhanovskaya, perhaps just what is needed, for she is not a banker, not a bandit, not an oligarch, and of these 3, she is perhaps the least evil.

                And I never said that Tikhanovskaya was a radish. I fully admit that she is a decent person and a wonderful wife. But this in no way means that she will be a good LEADER OF THE STATE. Agree, having no experience of leading large groups of people, she will start making mistakes, which will inevitably affect the living standards of Belarusians. AND???? Belarusians will begin to live worse than with my father. What is the point of fighting but father?

                And what did Merkel or Thatcher have? Lenin could manage which plant or bank? He will gather for himself honest people whom he can trust.
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 16 August 2020 15: 02
                  +7
                  Quote: Vol4ara

                  And what did Merkel or Thatcher have? Lenin could manage which plant or bank? He will gather for himself honest people whom he can trust.

                  First, Lenin, even by our standards, had an excellent education. Second, Lenin won in an intellectual dispute with his opponents and created the PARTY. This speaks of his intelligence and organizational skills. Before heading the state, he wrote and read many things that gave him the opportunity to build a state. And what did Tikhanovskaya do to lead the state? What's behind her shoulders? A marriage bed with a "politician" husband? Do you think this is sufficient?
                  As for Merkel and Thatcher, you read their biographies.
                  1. Vol4ara
                    Vol4ara 16 August 2020 15: 07
                    -7
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    Quote: Vol4ara

                    And what did Merkel or Thatcher have? Lenin could manage which plant or bank? He will gather for himself honest people whom he can trust.

                    First, Lenin, even by our standards, had an excellent education. Second, Lenin won in an intellectual dispute with his opponents and created the PARTY. This speaks of his intelligence and organizational skills. Before heading the state, he wrote and read many things that gave him the opportunity to build a state. And what did Tikhanovskaya do to lead the state? What's behind her shoulders? A marriage bed with a "politician" husband? Do you think this is sufficient?
                    As for Merkel and Thatcher, you read their biographies.

                    Maybe you're right. Well, nothing, experience is the son of difficult mistakes, for me it's better an inexperienced, conscientious and honest citizen than an experienced bastard and a thief. And the fact that there are no competent candidates, neither we nor they are to blame for the structure of the vertical of power, which timely eliminates all competitors, means personal gain and power are more important than the welfare of the state in the future
                    1. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 16 August 2020 15: 11
                      -1
                      Quote: Vol4ara

                      Well, nothing, experience is the son of difficult mistakes, for me it's better an inexperienced, conscientious and honest citizen than an experienced bastard and a thief.

                      Are you talking about Lukashenka? I mean "an experienced bastard and a thief."
                      1. Vol4ara
                        Vol4ara 16 August 2020 15: 19
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Quote: Vol4ara

                        Well, nothing, experience is the son of difficult mistakes, for me it's better an inexperienced, conscientious and honest citizen than an experienced bastard and a thief.

                        Are you talking about Lukashenka? I mean "an experienced bastard and a thief."

                        No, about the situation as a whole. I have nothing against Lukashenka.
                    2. cat Rusich
                      cat Rusich 16 August 2020 21: 14
                      +5
                      Alexander, Around Sveta Tikhanovskaya, the "inner circle" has already been assembled, which will "rule the state" - Sveta Tikhanovskaya will sign the documents that will be brought to her. "Sveta's inner circle" was selected by people from the West, who ordered the "Minsk Maidan" - as an example, V. Zelensky and "Team Ze". Or do you seriously think that Sveta Tikhanovskaya once lived and decided to become the president of Belarus ...
                      1. Vol4ara
                        Vol4ara 16 August 2020 21: 16
                        -7
                        Quote: cat Rusich
                        Alexander, Around Sveta Tikhanovskaya, the "inner circle" has already been assembled, which will "rule the state" - Sveta Tikhanovskaya will sign the documents that will be brought to her. "Sveta's inner circle" was selected by people from the West, who ordered the "Minsk Maidan" - as an example, V. Zelensky and "Team Ze". Or do you seriously think that Sveta Tikhanovskaya once lived and decided to become the president of Belarus ...

                        Nobody ordered my friends, that's strange, they bought everyone, but they forgot about them. Maybe the whole problem is that 26 years in power is bad, no? Well, if not, then exactly the west!
                      2. cat Rusich
                        cat Rusich 16 August 2020 21: 32
                        +4
                        Alexander, in Kiev on the Maidan there were a lot of "loxies" who were used for the crowd, for extras and they "worked for free for the idea" ... Well, V. Yanukovych was dumped as an oligarch president - P. Poroshenko was elected as an oligarch president , I didn't like it - they elected V. Zelensky the president-clown ... What is the point of changing the "male reproductive organ" to "female reproductive organ"? - or a matter of the principle - "Give the WOMAN-President !!!" The conversation was about the fact that Sveta Tikhanovskaya will sign documents that her "inner circle" will bring to her.
              2. Katanikotael
                Katanikotael 16 August 2020 18: 17
                +1
                Zelensky also gathered honest people ... the chief prosecutor alone is worth something.
                1. Vol4ara
                  Vol4ara 16 August 2020 18: 39
                  -6
                  Quote: Katanikotael
                  Zelensky also gathered honest people ... the chief prosecutor alone is worth something.

                  Zelensky did not collect anything at all. And it's hard to collect something when you are the only rooster in the hen house with foxes
                  1. Katanikotael
                    Katanikotael 16 August 2020 19: 43
                    +6
                    And the housewife, of course, has every chance to assemble a team of worthy people, right? Isn't that funny yourself?
                    1. Vol4ara
                      Vol4ara 16 August 2020 19: 46
                      -8
                      Quote: Katanikotael
                      And the housewife, of course, has every chance to assemble a team of worthy people, right? Isn't that funny yourself?

                      Not all chances, but it does. It doesn't matter at all who she is, a housewife, tractor driver or oligarch
            2. Hagen
              Hagen 17 August 2020 07: 06
              +1
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Agree, having no experience in leading large groups of people, she will start making mistakes, which will inevitably affect the living standards of Belarusians.

              The point is to create a puppet state on the border of Russia. A sort of country 404 version 2.0. Tikhanovskaya will be left with representative functions, the main work on management will be entrusted to Makei. And with this tandem, they will begin to tear up all joint projects with Russia, as in Ukraine. That's the whole alignment. And whether the Belarusians will live better, and whether they will live at all, none of the architects of the "new Belarus" is interested in principle.
          2. Filxnumx
            Filxnumx 16 August 2020 18: 52
            +4
            for she is not a banker, not a bandit, not an oligarch,

            do you know her personally or have you read her personal file? Do not be so naive, Alexander, "ordinary" people in presidents are the same nonsense as maroon takes from the prima ballerina of the Bolshoi Theater.
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 16 August 2020 19: 43
              -9
              Quote: Fil743
              for she is not a banker, not a bandit, not an oligarch,

              do you know her personally or have you read her personal file? Do not be so naive, Alexander, "ordinary" people in presidents are the same nonsense as maroon takes from the prima ballerina of the Bolshoi Theater.

              What do you mean !!! Here 95% of the top-cook will tell you that she is a housewife and does not go beyond the stove. can't lie 95%?
      3. Ivan Tixiy
        Ivan Tixiy 16 August 2020 18: 52
        +4
        "Build" tanks just like "build" That is the end of the tank cemetery of the times of the USSR and all construction will end. Where will they get the hulls? If armor, a country that once had metallurgy at the world level, buys (attention!) In Finland and Poland. This is not building tanks, but a lousy overhaul. No wonder because of the quality of BTT (which is only from the factory) there are so many scandals in Ukraine
    2. venik
      venik 16 August 2020 10: 55
      +4
      Quote: Alkonavt
      And this is the country that built tanks and aircraft carriers, helicopter engines, etc.

      =======
      I also built airplanes and what kind ... Alas, all this is in the past! And - irrevocable past! request
      Now Brazil (!!!) is going to buy planes!
    3. Chief Engineer
      Chief Engineer 16 August 2020 11: 09
      0
      Everything will be fine with Belarus, the shock of the authorities has passed and the situation is under control there.
    4. Ramon Merkader
      Ramon Merkader 16 August 2020 15: 15
      0
      Quote: Alkonavt
      Shameful! And this is the country that built tanks and aircraft carriers, helicopter engines, etc.
      Corn workers, and even in Brazil, buy .. The same is waiting for Belarus!

      We cannot crap, but we ... crap (c) Mikhail Elizarov.
      Yes, all polymers are "lost" (and thank God), because it's scary to imagine the consequences of the opposite. Better so. And I do not want this to Belarus.
    5. Piramidon
      Piramidon 16 August 2020 21: 26
      +3
      Quote: Alkonavt
      And this is the country that built tanks and aircraft carriers

      When aircraft carriers were built on that territory, there was no separate country there. There was a united USSR. So he was building.
    6. And why do you need
      And why do you need 17 August 2020 00: 21
      0
      Quote: Alkonavt
      Shameful! And this is the country that built tanks and aircraft carriers, helicopter engines, etc.
      Corn workers, and even in Brazil, buy .. The same is waiting for Belarus!

      I will add that in cooperation with others, first the republics, and then the states
    7. vVvAD
      vVvAD 17 August 2020 17: 03
      +1
      This country independently produced neither aircraft carriers, nor tanks, nor gas turbine engines, nor missiles - all this was done by the USSR. Read, by whose order, by whom, and with what funds were created KMDB, KB Antonov, Zorya - Mashproekt, Yuzhmash and others. These were organizations of an all-Union scale with appropriate funding - by no means republican. And the best personnel from all over the Union were sent there. And you write:
      Quote: Alkonavt
      And this is the country that built tanks and aircraft carriers, helicopter engines, etc.
  2. Gato
    Gato 16 August 2020 10: 31
    +2
    then to replace "Jacob", but not like "Albatross"

    Apparently, they are going to teach on propeller driven, not jet "adult" machines. About "Grippens" - it's all la-la, as usual, decommissioned "Skyraders" will buy
  3. Civil
    Civil 16 August 2020 10: 49
    +2
    According to this logic, the steamer will soon be bought instead of Sagaidachny.
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 16 August 2020 10: 57
      +4
      According to this logic, the steamer will soon be bought instead of Sagaidachny.
      The steamer costs a lot of money. Because no country in the world now produces these. The same piece goods will turn out. Rather an oaring galley. Moreover, taking into account local peculiarities, at the end of the oars there will be not blades, but a rake.
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 16 August 2020 12: 03
        +1
        It means that the steamer is the one who smokes. And in the USA, he was killed in the trash and at a price exceeding the cost of aircraft carriers. The President will meet him with a loaf and a hapak, kiss him on the keel and forget about it. The money has been cut, the West is satisfied with the order, the statements that now the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation is afraid of them have been made, beautiful shots have been taken and posted on Instagram. The curtain
        1. Arthur73
          Arthur73 16 August 2020 12: 52
          0
          The ship will be bought, of course, on credit, and the next generations will give it back as much as they can.
  • sanja.grw
    sanja.grw 16 August 2020 09: 26
    +5
    In total, it is planned to purchase from 72 to 108 fighters.

    Where is the money Zin
    1. Alkonavt
      Alkonavt 16 August 2020 09: 46
      -4
      Quote: sanja.grw
      In total, it is planned to purchase from 72 to 108 fighters.

      Where is the money Zin

      Business on Russophobia, however ... hi
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 16 August 2020 10: 11
      +4
      Quote: sanja.grw
      Where is the money Zin

      And no one has thought about money yet, the main word is to say ...
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 16 August 2020 10: 20
      0
      It's time to get used to the fact that money is prose (if not in your pocket), the result is not important. The main thing is mriya and plans, preferably grandiose. hi
    4. RUnnm
      RUnnm 16 August 2020 12: 05
      -1
      So they will simply resell one plane to themselves from 72 to 108 times ... Depending on the budget.
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent 16 August 2020 09: 26
    +9
    The plane, of course, is not bad, but not for our steppe, "treeless" conditions, the crooked hands of the ukroluftwaffe aces, and our systems Air defense (important underlined) ...
    1. Varaga
      Varaga 16 August 2020 09: 50
      -2
      Yes, just right! What's wrong?! Take two!
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 16 August 2020 09: 59
        +4
        Quote: Waraga
        Yes, just right! What's wrong?! Take two!

        When will appear, and will begin,as trophies take as much as we can.
        1. Varaga
          Varaga 16 August 2020 10: 10
          11 th
          When they appear and begin, we will take as many trophies as we can.

          Are you going to "start" with Brazil? You are not able to cope with your Natsiks. You better not start.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 16 August 2020 12: 13
            +3
            Quote: Waraga
            Are you going to "start" with Brazil? You are not able to cope with your Natsiks.

            В ДНР there are no Nazis, they have not taken root, not ideologically, much less physically request .

            Quote: Waraga
            You better not start

            We can do without your advice.
            1. Varaga
              Varaga 19 August 2020 02: 18
              0
              Sorry! .. hi At first he mistook you for dill. Hence the content of my comments.
        2. Alkonavt
          Alkonavt 16 August 2020 10: 59
          -6
          Quote: Insurgent
          Quote: Waraga
          Yes, just right! What's wrong?! Take two!

          When will appear, and will begin,as trophies take as much as we can.

          Insurgent, you look like a general! My congratulations hi
          1. mdsr
            mdsr 16 August 2020 11: 55
            +1
            Quote: Alkonavt
            Insurgent, you look like a general!

            Still would! From March 7, I scribbled 3461 comment wassat ... This is what it means to work tirelessly laughing
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 16 August 2020 12: 14
              -2
              Quote: mdsr
              Still would! Since March 7, I have scribbled 3461 comments. This is what it means to work tirelessly

              What's stopping you from doing the same? Dancer's Syndrome?
            2. Alkonavt
              Alkonavt 16 August 2020 12: 17
              -5
              Quote: mdsr
              Quote: Alkonavt
              Insurgent, you look like a general!

              Still would! From March 7, I scribbled 3461 comment wassat ... This is what it means to work tirelessly laughing

              Hardly he got the general shoulder straps)))
              Especially after the recent showdown with the Observer etc ... hehe
              A promising guy .. Without soap, he turns inside out! laughing
              PS Tactics changed hehe Who he really is not known, be careful with such men
              And with the Observer .. They showed a show with a showdown, as if they didn't know each other .. That's how they bred us here, straight 95 block laughing
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 16 August 2020 12: 41
                -2
                Quote: Alkonavt
                Especially after the recent showdown with the Observer

                А any и eachwill get snotty if he pretends to be someone he is not yes
                1. Alkonavt
                  Alkonavt 16 August 2020 13: 10
                  -2
                  Quote: Insurgent
                  Quote: Alkonavt
                  Especially after the recent showdown with the Observer

                  А any и eachwill get snotty if he pretends to be someone he is not yes

                  And who is the Observer not? A question for you for all the guys here who support the Donbass and the militias ..? And then there was a showdown for the stew to the militia of Mozgovoy .. (Heavenly kingdom to him for the Russian knight) hi
                  PS Who of you is from Donbass and a militia, or are both jumpers?
                  You look General Reseo have changed the subject abruptly!
                  Watch them guys if they get me killed here. soldier
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 16 August 2020 13: 29
                    0
                    Quote: Alkonavt
                    And who is the Observer not?

                    Strange belay After all, he (the "Observer") separately noted that all on the site,"even Meehan"know about his" ancestry " lol

                    But, at least, it is not for him, Gaster, who settled in the Russian Federation even before the war, to present me claims about my "imperial-DNR"avatar, at least based on what he himself appropriated alien avatar (people in the know, enlightened, and I already wrote about this, I will not repeat myself), having nothing to do with the DPR ...

                    Okay, this avatar would be in the colors of the flag LNR, it would be all-nothing, and clear and understandable and logical yes ("Observer" is a fugitive from Lisichansk, part of the LPR occupied by the Armed Forces of Ukraine) - there would be no questions No.

                    But his behavior request ... This is just some kind of hysterical reaction laughing
                  2. cost
                    cost 17 August 2020 00: 47
                    +1
                    Watch them guys if they get me wet here soldier

                2. Alkonavt
                  Alkonavt 16 August 2020 13: 37
                  -1
                  Quote: Insurgent
                  Quote: Alkonavt
                  Especially after the recent showdown with the Observer

                  А any и eachwill get snotty if he pretends to be someone he is not yes

                  Who is your mom?
                  And the observer including hehe
                  And you don't need to minus me .. wink
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 16 August 2020 13: 38
                    -1
                    Quote: Alkonavt
                    Who is your mom?

                    Has the meaning ?

                    MAMA was MOM
                  2. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 16 August 2020 13: 49
                    0
                    Quote: Alkonavt
                    And you don't need to minus me ..

                    Why belay ? I have the right to evaluate any comment in one way or another (+/-) yes
    2. Quadro
      Quadro 16 August 2020 12: 22
      +2
      Quote: Insurgent
      The plane, of course, is not bad, but not for our steppe, "treeless" conditions, the crooked hands of the ukroluftwaffe aces, and our systems Air defense (important underlined) ...

      Let the Messerschmitts buy, that's for them.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 16 August 2020 12: 37
        -4
        Quote: Quadro
        Let the Messerschmitts buy, that's for them.

        Ideologically, those of the Second World War period "Messerschmitt" and "Junkers" are certainly closer ...

        But damn EXPENSIVE yes Even such a developed and financially stable country as a territoryУ, cannot afford such aircraft ...


  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 16 August 2020 09: 31
    +6
    During this period, aviation should completely get rid of the already obsolete MiG-29, Su-27, Su-24M, Su-25, Su-24MR of Soviet production and adopt a "modern" fighter.
    Still dreaming in unnecessary! laughing
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 16 August 2020 09: 33
    +5
    The Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine explained the need to purchase the Embraer EMB 314 Super Tucano attack aircraft
    Yes, everything is clear: Pan ataman has a dumb penny. request It's time to run away repeat
  • Varaga
    Varaga 16 August 2020 09: 46
    11 th
    The combat aircraft in service with the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be replaced by a foreign-made fighter of the 4 ++ generation, candidates for replacement are now being considered.

    "Considered" ... Yeah, of course! .. Without options - it will be a pin-dos FU-35. And there is nothing to consider. For them, the pin-dos have already "considered" everything. Since 2014 ...
    1. Shuttle
      Shuttle 16 August 2020 10: 58
      +2
      Quote: Waraga
      The combat aircraft in service with the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be replaced by a foreign-made fighter of the 4 ++ generation, candidates for replacement are now being considered.

      "Considered" ... Yeah, of course! .. Without options - it will be a pin-dos FU-35. And there is nothing to consider. For them, the pin-dos have already "considered" everything. Since 2014 ...

      Rather, some super-modernized "Invaders", "Dead Bats" from the vaults in the desert. If "Strike Eagles" or "Fighting Ghosts", then it will be just a holiday for the Ukroluftwaffe.
      Who will give them "Lightning" in their hands?
      1. Varaga
        Varaga 16 August 2020 11: 02
        -4
        Yes, these are quite good for them - Chamber No. 6. But seriously, the pin-dos will drive the Ukrainians into bondage on loans. There will be airplanes, only three generations in advance will pay for them.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 August 2020 09: 49
    +6
    Who will pay them for the purchase of modern aircraft? What kind of unrealizable mriyas? To them and to "Toucans" to collect and collect ... or will they write off their debts?
    1. Varaga
      Varaga 16 August 2020 10: 12
      -3
      Will write off - hardly. But to drive it deeper is for sure.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 16 August 2020 10: 05
    -2
    Is the f16, even in the block 70/72 version, an aircraft of generation 4 ++, or is it a Swedish flu? Just to show how they are eager to crawl into NATO, the Ukrainian soldiers are ready for anything, that is, for absolutely everything!
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 16 August 2020 10: 08
    -1
    Quote: sanja.grw
    In total, it is planned to purchase from 72 to 108 fighters.

    Where is the money Zin

    The land will be sold ... wassat
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 August 2020 10: 11
    0
    Replace the still flying Soviet for all "modern" foreign and then they will heal, the Air Force will be strengthened to such an extent that the "aggressor" will only have to surrender. Here's another who would give money. In the meantime, we will fly and study on turboprop if they sell it cheaply. They live in some kind of parallel reality, and most importantly they believe that it is right.
  • Vovk
    Vovk 16 August 2020 10: 18
    0
    The option of purchasing by Ukraine the remaining MiG-29s in Eastern Europe was considered, but the remaining airframe resource is small ... this was abandoned.
    In reality, it is not the purchase of aircraft for the Ukrainian Armed Forces that is being considered, but their licensed production in Ukraine.
    There are many candidates.
    1) Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen (Sweden);
    2) JF-17 Block 2 (Pakistan);
    3) F-16 Block 70/72 (Turkey);
    4) Dassault Rafale (France).
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 16 August 2020 10: 25
      -2
      Quote: Vovk
      The option of purchasing by Ukraine the remaining MiG-29s in Eastern Europe was considered, but the remaining airframe resource is small ... this was abandoned.
      In reality, it is not the purchase of aircraft for the Ukrainian Armed Forces that is being considered, but their licensed production in Ukraine.
      There are many candidates.
      1) Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen (Sweden);
      2) JF-17 Block 2 (Pakistan);
      3) F-16 Block 70/72 (Turkey);
      4) Dassault Rafale (France)

      Yes, not really that Banderostan has funds for licensed production of modern aircraft? I'm not talking about specialists.
      Even one piece of Dassault Rafale is too expensive for the local treasury in today's situation. Even the Indians with their wallet, with a sigh of regret, bought far from the quantity they would like.
      1. PN
        PN 16 August 2020 10: 53
        +6
        Let's count the money in your pocket, not in your neighbor's. When in 14g all this orgy took place in the neighboring state, all as one shouted that the Pan ataman was dumb and he would soon go begging around the world. But 6 years have passed, and things are still there. Yes, something has become worse there, but the world bankruptcy of neighbors is not observed either. Maybe it's not all that bad there, as the media talk to us?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 16 August 2020 11: 05
          0
          sorry of course, what's wrong? they have been running and begging around the world for 6 years.) and they have been bankrupt for a long time. or remind you of the enchanting "One of the justifications <...> of the decision of the Stockholm court, it says:" in connection with the difficult economic situation in Ukraine "?)
        2. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 16 August 2020 11: 20
          -1
          I myself do not count a penny, including yours ...
          The NazalEzhnoy government regularly reports that it will live on subsidies from countries that advocate democratic development. There is no point in citing Banderostan's budget in figures - there are solid minuses, with the exception of GDP growth, which can be explained simply - instead of one litaka, there are two colas, then the growth will be 100%.
        3. Quadro
          Quadro 16 August 2020 12: 28
          +1
          Quote: PN
          Let's count the money in your pocket, not in your neighbor's. When in 14g all this orgy took place in the neighboring state, all as one shouted that the Pan ataman was dumb and he would soon go begging around the world. But 6 years have passed, and things are still there. Yes, something has become worse there, but the world bankruptcy of neighbors is not observed either. Maybe it's not all that bad there, as the media talk to us?

          Oh, those storytellers. Do you even read the news? They have been traveling around the world for 6 years and asking for pennies, they kneel at the IMF and ask for pennies. If you don’t know it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t. And you don't have to declare bankruptcy, otherwise they won't give you a penny.
          1. PN
            PN 16 August 2020 13: 45
            -1
            Will you lend to a person, knowing that he will not return the debt? If not an altruist, then I think you won't. In credit institutions, people are far from blind and not stupid (they do not learn about the financial situation in the country from the news), if they lend, then they know that they can return it, as this is another question.
    2. Gato
      Gato 16 August 2020 10: 43
      0
      licensed production in Ukraine

      Enchanting .. Ukraine in the current conditions will not even pull the "screwdriver" assembly - and where to assemble? "Antonov" can already be said "everything", except at the Lviv tank repair plant ?.
    3. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 16 August 2020 11: 38
      -1
      licensed production in Ukraine.
      A very dubious option. Only if SKD assembly from ready-made kits for a purely political purpose.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 16 August 2020 10: 31
    +5
    Switching from L-39 to Super Tucano is, of course, a step forward in combat aviation.
  • jncnfdybr
    jncnfdybr 16 August 2020 10: 51
    -1
    Where did you share yours? During the division they got more than a hundred L-29, 39 Drank?
    1. Avior
      Avior 16 August 2020 11: 09
      +3
      Thirty years have passed, and even then they were far from new.
      1. jncnfdybr
        jncnfdybr 16 August 2020 11: 16
        -1
        Yes, 30 years have passed. But in Russia in service with the L-39 STAND.)
        1. Avior
          Avior 16 August 2020 12: 07
          0
          They are in Ukraine too.
          They are undergoing modernization and remotorization. L-39M1.
          But they won't be forever
  • venik
    venik 16 August 2020 11: 01
    -1
    "... the Swedish Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen and the American F-16 Block 70/72 are called more preferable for the country's Air Force. In total, it is planned to purchase from 72 to 108 fighters. ..."
    =======
    72 to 108 fighters? belay Interestingly, and WHERE will they take the money for this? This is AT LEAST 5-8 billions "bucks" (!!!), and Ukraine - because of 1 (ONE billion) "at the feet of the IMF is crawling !!!
  • Avior
    Avior 16 August 2020 11: 12
    +2
    It is interesting that for some reason the Chinese are not considered
    1. Vovk
      Vovk 16 August 2020 15: 18
      0
      Quote: Avior
      It is interesting that for some reason the Chinese are not considered

      Because Ukraine needs modern avionics on warplanes. And the Chinese do not have it and they have not yet been able to copy it.
      If at the very least the production of engines, gliders, weapons in Ukraine can be done, then things are bad with modern avionics ... you need to produce it under a license, and no one wants to sell it separately from aircraft. Therefore, it is necessary to buy avionics as part of an aircraft, i.e. organize production and bring up the maintenance of aviation equipment and airfields to modern standards.
      As for the near future of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces, these are drones, a joint project with Turkey - Akinci has successfully started.
  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 16 August 2020 11: 15
    -1
    This plane is exceptionally good for fighting ... for fighting ... for fighting an enemy who has no aviation at all. It is not difficult to guess who it is in the realities of Ukraine.
    However, I am amazed at the human stupidity of the Ukrainian comprador authorities. Well, you can sniff at Donetsk and Lugansk like Sahak twelve years ago. But it is clear who and how will get the crested skull. Fast and inevitable. Well, do they really hope that the Germans, French, Americans, British, or at least the Spaniards will rush against the Russian compulsion to peace? Yes, not in life!
  • askort154
    askort154 16 August 2020 11: 27
    -1
    The combat aircraft in service with the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be replaced by a foreign-made fighter of the 4 ++ generation, candidates for replacement are now being considered.

    Where can I get the money, Galya? I spent all my stash to buy you
    European "lace panties". crying

    On November 16, 1998, Ukraine began to fulfill the contract with the USA, cutting the first 2 pieces. Tu-160, under the control of American special services, and using their special equipment. fool
  • ZVS
    ZVS 16 August 2020 11: 29
    -1
    With the replacement of foreign-made fighters, Ukrainians will not untie their navel? Poor Ukraine has money for these fighters?
    The Ukrainians have a sea of ​​pontov, there will be one zilch on the exhaust. And they will not buy Super Tucano, they will steal the loot and everything will end there.
  • The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 16 August 2020 11: 35
    -1
    Cavalry and carts, for the replacement of btv?))
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 16 August 2020 11: 50
    -1
    Anyway, they will shoot down, so why spend money on a normal plane? In addition, you can buy this miracle for the price of a fighter and put half in your pocket.
  • K-50
    K-50 16 August 2020 12: 10
    -1
    The Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine explained the need to purchase the Embraer EMB 314 Super Tucano attack aircraft

    "Toucans" can only be used against a side that does not have modern air defense, and is outdated too. In any other case, it is scrap metal.
    Hence the conclusion that the ukrovermacht is not going to end the war in the Donbass, but will continue its actions to destroy its own, albeit former, population. sad
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 16 August 2020 12: 13
    -2
    Well this is just some kind of holiday! The epic with the creation of the mosquito fleet is not over yet, the "hammer" has not yet been replaced by the "hammer-2" with a company caliber, and the armored personnel carrier (or BMP, I don't remember already) "Shame", oh, that is. The "patrol" did not go further than the laudatory videos, they still haven't bought all the Javelins from the USA, and a turboprop flying armada is already on the way !!!! The superpower of the 21st century is growing, growing, which used to build aircraft carriers, missiles, jet engines, etc. !! Normally they jumped on their maydown.
    Belarus now needs to read such articles, while it has not yet completely jumped on the Ukrainian rake.
  • iouris
    iouris 16 August 2020 12: 21
    -1
    It would be used to buy on sho. So there are pennies?
  • Paul
    Paul 16 August 2020 12: 30
    0
    The cockpit of this Super Tukanu resembles the cockpit of a Su-30cm or Su-35 ... And for training this is a very expensive aircraft ... A partisan can drive through the forests ... if they do not have air defense equipment ...
    1. iouris
      iouris 16 August 2020 19: 05
      0
      Quote: Paolo
      Partisans can drive through the forests ... if they do not have air defense systems ...

      Are there partisans? If there are no partisans, then there is no air defense.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 16 August 2020 13: 30
    -2
    Finally, Ukraine has reached the level of the Air Force of Nigeria, Honduras and Afghanistan))
  • AKS-U
    AKS-U 16 August 2020 13: 50
    +2
    Should we really be interested in this? Let them buy their toys in each hut. Like Tucano, let them take Tucano. This is THEIR BUSINESS.
  • Berkut752
    Berkut752 16 August 2020 18: 20
    -1
    Muskets, scimitar, emery, glaive, and of course a war hammer. I am proud of the Outskirts, then still nadot to carry out the selection and to bring the horses About three legs. And then hold on Russia, Raze, shoulder!
    Swing, hand!
  • Pavel Patrashov
    Pavel Patrashov 16 August 2020 22: 13
    -1
    Soon sandals will be purchased ..........
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 16 August 2020 23: 25
    -1
    you buy the main thing)))) buy .... the old Soviet ones will be written off ... the members will be bought (probably))))) ..... will there be F-16 (Grippen) there or not)))) ) but you plan to plan ... it's a lot of fun
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 16 August 2020 23: 35
    -1
    Quote: Vol4ara
    Quote: Katanikotael
    And the housewife, of course, has every chance to assemble a team of worthy people, right? Isn't that funny yourself?

    Not all chances, but it does. It doesn't matter at all who she is, a housewife, tractor driver or oligarch

    when you write such things it seems that you are delusional .... you read it seems not stupid ....... but sometimes you want to come up to knock your knuckles on the head and shout in your ear: "Awuu ... how is it to live without brains?" "
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 16 August 2020 23: 56
    0
    Quote: venik
    Embraer EMB 314 Super Tucano

    Brazil bought from Sweden 36
    Quote: venik
    "... the Swedish Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen and the American F-16 Block 70/72 are called more preferable for the country's Air Force. In total, it is planned to purchase from 72 to 108 fighters. ..."
    =======
    72 to 108 fighters? belay Interestingly, and WHERE will they take the money for this? This is AT LEAST 5-8 billions "bucks" (!!!), and Ukraine - because of 1 (ONE billion) "at the feet of the IMF is crawling !!!

    Brazil bought 36 Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen for $ 5,4 billion ... so consider how much you really need for 72 wings - $ 10,8 billion, for 108 - $ 16,2 billion and not 5- 8
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 16 August 2020 23: 59
    0
    Quote: Vovk
    Quote: Avior
    It is interesting that for some reason the Chinese are not considered

    Because Ukraine needs modern avionics on warplanes. And the Chinese do not have it and they have not yet been able to copy it.
    If at the very least the production of engines, gliders, weapons in Ukraine can be done, then things are bad with modern avionics ... you need to produce it under a license, and no one wants to sell it separately from aircraft. Therefore, it is necessary to buy avionics as part of an aircraft, i.e. organize production and bring up the maintenance of aviation equipment and airfields to modern standards.
    As for the near future of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces, these are drones, a joint project with Turkey - Akinci has successfully started.

    then you yourself prescribe a Pakistani (read Chinese) plane in the list of options - then write does not fit))) or the PRC does not have avionics, but does Pakistan have?
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 17 August 2020 10: 03
    0
    Whats wrong with that? Quite adequate UBS. Of all that you can buy from the lord - even probably the best. As for money, it doesn't matter, anyway, if there is a purchase, it will be through a loan, by analogy with helicopters. Of course, all interests will be taken into account.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 17 August 2020 12: 36
    0
    Has Ukraine decided to quit with jet aircraft? what Although in such situations, it is generally just right to say goodbye to aviation. It turns out that although the role of the Ukrainian SSR in the development of Soviet aviation was very great, it was still not the main one.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 17 August 2020 12: 36
    0
    I have only 1 question - where does the money come from for a hundred new aircraft?
    Even the Russian Federation, which is much more prosperous in terms of the budget, buys planes in modest lots and at home at domestic prices.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 17 August 2020 12: 44
    0
    after a Brazilian tender (an average of $ 150 million per piece), Saab promised to cut the price of the fighter by half
    those. the minimum that Ukraine plans to spend is $ 75 * 72 million = 5.4 billion
    does she have such free reserves ???
    the budget of the warriors of Ukraine 1.17 trillion hryvnia = 1.17 * 0.36 $ = 46 billion $
    15% of the annual budget to spend on the purchase of fighters?
    well, ok, they will switch from lard to rutabaga and buy
    and what to do with them? these aircraft are of little use in defense, they are a means of attack.