Defense Ministry cuts severance pay for conscripts

The severance pay of conscripts dismissed from military service will be reduced to one salary and will amount to 2 thousand rubles. This follows from the draft order of the Ministry of Defense posted on the federal portal of draft regulatory documents.

The draft order should amend Article 160 of the "Procedure for providing monetary allowances to servicemen of the RF Armed Forces and providing them and their families with separate payments." At present, this article determines that when conscripted into the reserve, conscripts receive an allowance in the amount of two salaries for military positions. In the new edition, "two salaries" will be replaced by "one salary".

Thus, the conscripts discharged to the reserve, instead of 6 thousand, which consisted of the salary for the last month and two additional ones, will receive 4 thousand, i.e. one salary for the last month and one additional.

The military department said that the draft of the new order was prepared in order to implement the provisions of the Federal Laws of March 1, 2020 and "will not change the procedure for providing monetary allowances to servicemen, as well as providing them with separate payments, established by the Russian Ministry of Defense."

Earlier, the Russian government set the size of monthly salaries in accordance with the military positions held by servicemen doing military service on conscription in the RF Armed Forces, at 2 rubles.

Comments

[mdsr]

2 thousand squeezed for demobels, and millions spend on themselves

The Russian government has set the size of the monthly salary in accordance with the military positions held by servicemen who are conscripted in the RF Armed Forces at 2 rubles.

In normal countries, more is allocated for keeping dogs and cats in shelters than for conscripts.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: mdsr

2 thousand squeezed for demobels, and millions spend on themselves

Lately there is such a feeling that the enemies are working. The benefits of the decisions are zero, but the harm is visible miles ahead.
But Iosif Vissarionovich is not to be seen on the horizon. This means that the "enemies of the people" may not be afraid of anything and "work" further.

[Blanket]

Yes, and our employees receive much more for allowance.

[Crane]

In normal countries, more is allocated for keeping dogs and cats in shelters than for conscripts.
========
Saying A, say B. Sound the amount for dogs and cats in "normal" countries. Just keep in mind that military personnel receive uniforms and food at the expense of the state.
And so, yes, redneck.

[Alex Justice]

In normal countries, more is allocated for keeping dogs and cats in shelters than for conscripts.

We all pay tax on dogs and cats. There is something to support the shelters. I pay 40 US dollars a year for my cat-sized dog. The tax is significantly higher for large dogs.

[Deune]

And what for them money to buy cigarettes, sneakers and Coca-Cola? And then the comrades rat hygiene products from the bedside table?

[SRC P-15]

"Dembels" going home, for example, from the Far East, will not like it!

[Alkonavt]

Quote: SRC P-15

"Dembels" going home, for example, from the Far East, will not like it!

Well, there the tariffication is different (2 thousand is to eat and drink beer), they can't get home on foot ..))))
In general, this decision is very alarming, you see the economic situation, the critical "stabilization box" is too empty.
In the next 2-3 years, everything will be decided who we are in Russia in the world community!

[The Little Humpbacked Horse]

Quote: Alkonavt

In general, this decision is very alarming, you see the economic situation, the critical "stabilization box" is too empty

It's not clear at the expense of the money-box, on the same tiles that are shifted in Moscow to infinity, because there is enough money

[Alkonavt]

Quote: Humpbacked Horse

It's not clear at the expense of the money-box, on the same tiles that are shifted in Moscow to infinity, because there is enough money

Well, it's not only in Moscow ..)))) You need to master money and not offend yourself. Although they are imprisoned periodically, until the execution article in the Criminal Code is introduced and will continue alas
As they say they will serve, but the stash remained then ..

[Doliva63]

Quote: Alkonavt

Quote: Humpbacked Horse

It's not clear at the expense of the money-box, on the same tiles that are shifted in Moscow to infinity, because there is enough money

Well, it's not only in Moscow ..)))) You need to master money and not offend yourself. Although they are imprisoned periodically, until the execution article in the Criminal Code is introduced and will continue alas
As they say they will serve, but the stash remained then ..

Budgeting is a business and nothing more. Who will introduce a firing squad for business in the capitalist country ?!

[vVvAD]

Quote: Alkonavt

... but until the execution article in the Criminal Code is introduced and will continue alas

Don't talk nonsense. And they will introduce it - it will also continue: the experience of China speaks precisely of this.
They will not steal less: yes, there will be fewer thieves, but they will steal more, tk. in which case they will have to have funds for an urgent flight with their family from the country using forged documents, necessary connections and other corrupt components. Accordingly, "prices" will also jump up for those who already feed on this.
Corruption will be eliminated only under the following conditions:
1) De-bureaucratization and transition to the declarative form of work of government agencies with the population.
2) The responsibility of the bribe-giver must be in solidarity with the responsibility of the bribe-taker, so that people from below themselves do not provoke a faster or more advantageous solution of issues. By solidarity, I mean the following: in one episode, the term threatening the bribe-giver must be at least half of that of the bribe-taker; if the bribe-giver has a higher property level, or the amount of the bribe is rather big, an additional fine of the corresponding amount should be imposed on him. The bribe-taker, accordingly, must compensate the state and the citizens affected by his activities (who are in line for any service or who have not received the prescribed benefits) in financial terms at market (and not cost for the state) value.
3) Disinterested professional lawyers and social psychologists should create anti-corruption, antimonopoly, tax and labor legislation (in particular, issues of abuse of authority and the psychological climate of the team) - in all cases.
4) It should be performed by persons on a territorially rotational basis (similar to the FSB), as well as regularly checked both for assets and on a polygraph (low accuracy, you can learn to cheat), and by specialists of the relevant profile.
5) In parallel, the ideology of honesty of all members of society in relation to each other should be cultivated.

This means, firstly, the disappearance of misleading advertising (almost all modern), i.e. the transition to honest advertising, such as Soviet. Licensing advertising agencies and / or censoring finished advertising for compliance with the real characteristics of the advertised product, provoking socially disapproved patterns of behavior, intervention in the upbringing of the younger generations (including gender (in the sense of the norms of gender behavior) and sexual (in the sense of sexual ) behavior).
Secondly, marketing and merchandising in the modern understanding of these professions: they should study and exploit not the lowest traits of the human psyche, but the highest moral attitudes, and in order not to sell as much as possible, but to ensure the harmonious development of the personality and instilling good taste, probably passing into the category of state supervision. Merchandising should provide convenience for all categories of citizens and the minimum waste of time and unnecessary purchases, and not the sale of expensive, stale and unnecessary goods and services.
Thirdly, the disappearance of financial surrogates, derivative financial instruments (such as forwards and options), which, in addition to their main purpose or declared as such, can be used as a means of financial manipulation, and others that can be used for similar purposes, as well as supply chain control (avoidance of contraband , inflating margin, including limiting the chain of intermediaries). The Mercury system is a good idea, gently only so that it works as it should, legislation and industry standards are enforced, regulatory agencies know the standards they control, and the introduction of false information into it at all levels is punishable by proportional (upward) fines from the amount of the received benefit / damage caused up to criminal liability.
And all taken together is impossible without abandoning the concepts of unrestrained consumption and endless economic growth. In an isolated system with non-developing technologies, limited resources and population, such growth is impossible due to mathematical laws. It is possible primarily due to inflation (including its "export"), "virtual" economy and thoughtless exploitation of the planet's resources. And only in the second place thanks to technology and demographic factors. But it should be the other way around. More precisely: the growth of production should be justified by the growth of the population - its own or global, the growth of objective consumption in connection with the change in technology and, accordingly, the reformatting of the economy - until the completion of those in this particular area with a parallel curtailment of outdated forms. Accordingly, there will be no growth as such - there will be constant transitions of the economy to new macro products and forms, goods created on their basis, which in itself is a powerful engine of progress and production. Those. economics of continuous technological development.
And yes: patent and copyright in their current form is a brake on the economy.

[Observer2014]

Quote: SRC P-15

"Dembels" going home, for example, from the Far East, will not like it!

Or to the Far East. Which, however, is the same thing. How many days is there a train from Moscow or Kaliningrad, for example? Naturally and vice versa. Or can this not be? Who knows how to form conscription teams now. And this cannot be the principle? Or the Russian Defense Ministry provides plane tickets if the distance of the conscription from the place of residence is significant? How in general and how is this procedure happening now. It is in recent years that you share your info. it was once everything vkurse. I want to understand in order to draw the correct conclusion

[hohkn]

Quote: Observer2014

Or does the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation provide plane tickets if the call distance from the place of residence is significant?

Earlier, under the USSR, demobels were given travel requirements, for which tickets were purchased at the military ticket office without additional money (except if they wanted to travel more comfortably than in a common carriage). So I took a plane ticket - part of it was paid by demand (railway tariff in a shared carriage), the rest in money. And there was no severance pay as such. I think tickets are still issued on demand.

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

At least in the 90s, there was an allowance: a ticket requirement plus 25 rubles.

[hohkn]

I left for demobilization earlier, even before the catastrophe.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: hohkn

Previously, under the USSR, demobels were given travel requirements, for which at the military ticket office without additional money (except if they wanted to travel more comfortably than in a common carriage)

Yours is not true. Travel documents were issued not in a common carriage, but in a reserved seat.

[hohkn]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Travel documents were issued not in a common carriage, but in a reserved seat.

Maybe. That was a long time ago...

[Alkonavt]

Quote: Observer2014

Who knows how to form conscription teams now. And this cannot be a principle? Or the Russian Defense Ministry provides plane tickets if the distance of the conscription from the place of residence is significant? it was once everything vkurse. I want to understand in order to draw the right conclusion

Why do you need this ? Or want to arrange? I will say one thing no one for demobilization on foot or hitchhiking .. As in the 90s, ragged and afraid of their shape!
The question is who benefits from this vbroos Especially about the Far East, where furgalata are on their knees and demand the return of the criminal master?

[Observer2014]

Quote: Alkonavt

Quote: Observer2014

Who knows how to form conscription teams now. And this cannot be a principle? Or the Russian Defense Ministry provides plane tickets if the distance of the conscription from the place of residence is significant? it was once everything vkurse. I want to understand in order to draw the right conclusion

Why do you need this ? Or want to arrange? I will say one thing no one for demobilization on foot or hitchhiking .. As in the 90s, ragged and afraid of their shape!
The question is who benefits from this vbroos Especially about the Far East, where furgalata are on their knees and demand the return of the criminal master?

Are you baptized? If not, go get baptized. And if yes, go drink holy water. Suddenly it will help. I don’t even know more about you. And what can I say.

[Alkonavt]

Quote: Observer2014

Are you baptized?

Yes, and he was baptized already in his mature years, and not as an infant ... I believe, but in my soul and in the church as it does not really pull ... God in everyone's soul or the devil ...

Quote: Observer2014

I don’t even know more about you And what can I say

And I don't need anything from you! I just don't like you and EVERYTHING!

[fif21]

Quote: Alkonavt

Why do you need this ? Or want to arrange? I will say one thing no one for demobilization on foot or hitchhiking .. As in the 90s, ragged and afraid of their shape!

Do you have one gyrus and that of a cap? Dembel is purple, how much the state will give him for demobilization! His expenses will be paid by his mom and dad and the junior conscription, but who else will wind up state property! Then the op will begin at the headquarters! Why bruises, why the guards are shot and how to write off the material values ​​sold by conscripts. Think at least one move ahead.
Hungry and poor soldier, this is not a defender of the Fatherland, but a future criminal! And stupid orders push him to crimes.

[GRIGORIY76]

Hmm, I remember when I was driving home, this money was useful ... a penny saving.

[Lopatov]

Quote: GRIGORIY76

Hmm, I remember when I was driving home, this money was useful ... a penny saving.

This is not "saving", this is COMPLAINT

Last spring they called for 135 thousand (office figure), multiply by 2 (spring and autumn), multiply by 2000 rubles "savings". We get 540 thousand ...

They say they spent the least on the International Army Games in 2016, only 66 million rubles.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Spade

Last spring they called for 135 thousand (office figure), multiply by 2 (spring and autumn), multiply by 2000 rubles "savings". We get 540 thousand ...

You are at odds with arithmetic: there will be 540 million rubles.

[Lopatov]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

You are at odds with arithmetic: there will be 540 lightning bolts. rub.

Exactly. My mistake

540 million rubles is the cost of upgrading 10 (ten) T-72 tanks to B3 level
Well, or the content of the State Duma for two weeks

Anyway, COMPLAINT.

[Alkonavt]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

You are at odds with arithmetic: there will be 540 million rubles.

Well, some people like to be wrong here ..))))

Quote: Spade

Exactly. My mistake

540 million rubles is the cost of upgrading 10 (ten) T-72 tanks to B3 level
Well, or the content of the State Duma for two weeks

Anyway, COMPLAINT.

And then he was supposedly mistaken, but still spit back)))

[Lopatov]

Quote: Alkonavt

And then he was supposedly mistaken, but still spit back)))

Why not spit?
Redneck remained redneck ...

A question for filling: will you be able to travel, for example, from Vladikavkaz to Chita, having 4000 rubles in your pocket and travel cards from the Ministry of Water to the Chita railway station?

Or rather not so. From what moment will you have to steal or beg.?

[Rzzz]

Quote: Spade

will you be able to travel, for example, from Vladikavkaz to Chita, having 4000 rubles in your pocket and travel cards from Minvod to Chita station?

I can, of course, but it's somehow extremely long. And so - to stock up on grubs in Petyerochka before leaving. Eat doshikas (well, you can eat a jar of canned meat or fish for a day), canned vegetables (beans in tomatoes, all sorts of snacks). Even a can of beer a day will work. A couple of packets of tea, sugar, all sorts of cookies. Fruit to avoid constipation. You can have something from meat that will lie down without a refrigerator, such as uncooked smoked brisket, although it is expensive, you cannot buy much. Bread, any Maynezik, cheese, butter
There are no direct trains, I looked. With a transfer via Moscow - 6 days. Enough.
Now when you go on a business trip, you get 700 rubles a day for daily allowance. Officially approved norm. With these 700 rubles, you must feed in a foreign city.

[ycuce234-san]

A kilogram of chicken will cost 200-300 rubles, most salted vegetables - up to one hundred rubles. per kilogram. But you will have to buy another pack of packages for salinity, vinegar essence and a roll of foil and somewhere high-quality fry in your juice, half and half with strong vinegar, a couple of kilograms of chicken - not otherwise in a forest or a forest belt on a fire in a hole, during transplants, without wrapping yourself smoke. Show, so to speak, like Schweik, army ingenuity and survival skills in the field ...

[Rzzz]

Well, why bring it to the point of absurdity.
If you are so eager to eat chicken (although I, for example, do not like it), you can buy already fried, there is a grill in many supermarkets. Not much more expensive.
But I would rather eat canned food on the road. More confidence in safety.

[ycuce234-san]

So far, the canning store option will do, although today's thousand is not much money. But if over the years the purchasing power of money will fall dramatically: demobels really have to deal with "conservation and preparation" - glass jars, salt, vinegar are penny, meat and vegetable raw materials - much cheaper than the finished product.

[ycuce234-san]

There, with this money, you still need to take into account the cash reserve, household goods, medicine for food poisoning and someone else to tarry tobacco, and someone else can regularly take some medicines and he needs a supply of them.

[Rzzz]

Everyone should determine what he needs about medicines.
And household expenses - 150 rubles per shower (now it is on almost any train), at least in a day, otherwise by the end of the trip you will really stink like a bum.
Well, another piece of laundry soap, wash panties, socks, toilet soap, toothpaste. However, a serving warrior will deal with such questions without prompts.

[ycuce234-san]

Soul 3 pcs. - 450 rubles, a pack of coal in tablets - 50 rubles, furozalidone for intestinal problems - 60 rubles, 1 pc. - 50 rubles, toothpaste is expensive now, we take cheap tooth powder, which is now on sale for about 50 rubles, toilet paper - 15 rubles. Packages for things, let 40 rubles. Let the money reserve be 100 rubles. A total of 815 rubles, which means that for everything else - food (and food containers), medicines, tobacco - 1185 rubles, with 6 days of travel - 198 rubles / day - difficult, let's say, financial conditions of existence.

[Rzzz]

Soap and toothpaste can be stocked up in parts before demobilization. There is toilet paper on the train. There is also a stopudoff in the train first-aid kit.

[ycuce234-san]

Yes, everything remained there, basically, as it was, as it was described back in 2010 in the article "Unsanitary Trains" and in 2017 the check confirmed the invariability of the situation (https://newdaynews.ru/moskow/621332.html). It is better not to count on the standard of service and the availability of medicines and even the availability of paper - this is not a hotel chain, where the loss of reputation leads to ruin.
By the way, the currently mandatory means of protecting against coronavirus have been forgotten in the calculation - without them, you can get sick, get a fine, get into the observatory for two or three weeks: depending on the current situation while traveling along the way. They still have minus 500 rubles.

[Rzzz]

That year I took the Moscow-Khabarovsk train on a business trip. True, not far from Kostroma. But everything was there, and the shower on the train, and the paper in the toilet.
I was traveling in a reserved seat carriage, there was no compartment, I bought a ticket on the last day.
In general, I often travel by train, work forces me to. Over the past year - 18 trips. I know how to use them. There are moments that I don't like, or even strongly dislike. But in general, you can use it.

[ycuce234-san]

Nowadays in the world the piece of iron is good for the Germans (and, possibly, high-speed new lines for the Chinese).
(https://pora-valit.livejournal.com/2167681.html)
Now they start to complain less, although they are not happy with the ticket prices. But nevertheless, the prosecutor's office not from scratch found many sanitary violations in 2017 as a whole for the piece of iron in the country.
(https://www.stav.kp.ru/daily/26771.5/3804263/)
I suspect that the railway on its own does not always cope with the problem of unsanitary conditions, for example, and on problem lines it would make sense to involve cleaning companies and third-party laundries and dry cleaners for such work - that is, the train goes and a team of professional cleaners at this time on cleans, if necessary, supplying consumables and changing on the tracks. To do this, they will need to organize power outlets for equipment, a technical wagon. Again, due to the coronavirus, trains need to be disinfected. Additional useful jobs would be.

[ycuce234-san]

Amendment - 3185 and 531 rubles. So far, with the current purchasing power, it should be enough, unless, of course, the cost of drugs undermines financial plans.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Spade

A question for filling: will you be able to travel, for example, from Vladikavkaz to Chita, having 4000 rubles in your pocket and travel cards from the Ministry of Water to the Chita railway station?

During the week? Easy, I will also drink every day.

Quote: Spade

From what moment will you have to steal or beg.?

Not from any. Shovels! 4000 rubles a week is 16 rubles a month, and if you take into account that this is purely for food, excluding the cost of communal services, clothes and shoes, then you get the middle class. Millions live on less and do not beg.

[Civil]

Why give it at all?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Civil

Why give it at all?

Forced labor is prohibited in Russia, so you will have to pay ...

[Sandro1977]

And shouldn't they pay no less than the minimum monthly salary according to the new law? Or does the Ministry of Defense not read the laws and pay 5-6 times less? According to the Labor Code, upon dismissal, plus 2 salaries, it seems? MO seems to live in another state ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: Sandro1977

And shouldn't they pay no less than the minimum monthly salary according to the new law?

This is not a salary.

Quote: Sandro1977

By labor contract upon dismissal

This is not a dismissal from a job.

[Lopatov]

Theoretically, in order for demobilization to live from the moment of dismissal from the ranks of the RF Armed Forces until the moment of employment in civilian life.

[Asad]

Well, someone would have spent on drink these pennies, and another mother would have bought flowers! Where can the conscript get money? Steal something!

[Professor]

Quote: ASAD

Well, someone would have spent on drink these pennies, and another mother would have bought flowers! Where can the conscript get money? Steal something!

Hmm ... A conscript is not a contract soldier. His severance pay is generally a bonus, as the Constitution of the Russian Federation states: Defense of the Fatherland is duty и duty citizen of the Russian Federation. Are you talking about money.

PS
In the country of victorious Zionism, there is no constitution and therefore conscripts are paid thousands of dollars in severance pay.

[Harry.km]

Quote: professor

In the land of victorious Zionism ... thousands of dollars

Dollars or shekels at the exchange rate? )))

[Professor]

Quote: Harry.km

Quote: professor

In the land of victorious Zionism ... thousands of dollars

Dollars or shekels at the exchange rate? )))

Shekel has long been SLE. So it makes no difference. By the way, today the dollar costs about 3.5 shekels. So it was worth in 1997.

[Harry.km]

Quote: professor

Shekel has long been SLE.

The ruble is also hard currency. And by the way, in comparison with 1997, it even strengthened in contrast to the shekel. In 1997, the exchange rate was 5500 rubles for the disgusting dollar, but now only 74!

Apparently that's why they reduced the payment. Strengthening 70 times, but reduced by only 30% ...

[Professor]

1, No. The ruble is not hard currency. (Clearing currencies CLS)
2. Since 1997, Israel has not carried out a denomination. RF conducted. 1000: 1. Thus, the dollar is 74 rubles, not 000.

[Harry.km]

Quote: professor

Clearing currencies CLS

There is virtually no difference from SLE.

Quote: professor

Since 1997, Israel has not conducted a denomination.

... and in vain! They hide from you all the advantages of this action: strengthening the national currency, simplifying calculations (no need to buy 16-bit calculators, 12-bit ones are enough). Screening of shadow cash.

Quote: professor

Thus, the dollar is 74 rubles, not 000

Well, for the petrodollar we have in the budget not 5500, but 74000. Why pay the conscript so much money when he already has everything?

[Professor]

Quote: Harry.km

There is virtually no difference from SLE.

Present.
U.S. dollar
Euro
British pound
Japanese Yen
Swiss frank
Canadian Dollar
Australian dollar
Swedish krona
Danish krone
Norwegian Krone
Singapore Dollar
Hong Kong Dollar
South Korean won
New Zealand dollar
South African rand
Mexican peso
Israeli new shekel
Hungarian Forint

There is no ruble in the list of hard currency.

Quote: Harry.km

... and in vain! They hide from you all the advantages of this action: strengthening the national currency, simplifying calculations (no need to buy 16-bit calculators, 12-bit ones are enough). Screening of shadow cash.

What for? 1 dollar 3.5 shekels. Conveniently.

Quote: Harry.km

Well, for the petrodollar we have in the budget not 5500, but 74000. Why pay the conscript so much money when he already has everything?

Why pay a conscript if he is a forced person? That's the question.

[Harry.km]

Quote: professor

Why pay a conscript if he is a forced person? That's the question.

Again, everything is elementary, you can take a tax from each accrued unit. The tax goes to the budget, the more taxes the budget is, so the more we pay, the larger the budget. about 5500 then and 74000 now, these are the links of the same chain.

[Professor]

Quote: Harry.km

Again, everything is elementary, you can take a tax from each accrued unit. The tax goes to the budget, the more taxes the budget is, so the more we pay, the larger the budget. about 5500 then and 74000 now, these are the links of the same chain.

Strange business. Take 2 rubles from the budget, give them to the soldier in order to get 000 rubles back to the budget. That is, a loss to the budget of 300 rubles. What for?

[Harry.km]

Quote: professor

Strange business. What for?

Eh ... that's all you have to explain. In order for a soldier to receive 2000 rubles, they must be credited, wired, collected, issued ... For each operation, the logistics of more than one hundred jobs, and every conscientious worker receives a salary. And there are not thousands, there are millions of rubles, and taxes come from all of them. The country is getting richer before our eyes! Therefore, sometimes, for the convenience of the population, it is necessary to "cut off" the extra zeros. The soldier in this chain is at the top. It relies on the full power of the financial system. Therefore, even if you pay him 1 kopeck, taxes will not decrease, but rather increase, because it is more difficult to count kopecks and more workers are needed, and this is taxes again ...

[Professor]

Quote: Harry.km

Quote: professor

Strange business. What for?

Eh ... that's all you have to explain. In order for a soldier to receive 2000 rubles, they must be credited, wired, collected, issued ... For each operation, the logistics of more than one hundred jobs, and every conscientious worker receives a salary. And there are not thousands, there are millions of rubles, and taxes come from all of them. The country is getting richer before our eyes! Therefore, sometimes, for the convenience of the population, it is necessary to "cut off" the extra zeros. The soldier in this chain is at the top. It relies on the full power of the financial system. Therefore, even if you pay him 1 kopeck, taxes will not decrease, but rather increase, because it is more difficult to count kopecks and more workers are needed, and this is taxes again ...

Really. I don't understand anything about business. As soon as the house overlooking the sea has acquired my mind ...

[cat Rusich]

Oleg, on the shore of which sea the house was purchased is of great importance ... For example, the coast of the Barents, Karsky, Laptev, East Siberian, Chukotsky. Many "businessmen "are not far from the coast of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk in the vicinity of Magadan ...

[Professor]

Quote: cat Rusich

Oleg, on the shore of which sea the house was purchased is of great importance ... For example, the coast of the Barents, Karsky, Laptev, East Siberian, Chukotsky. Many "businessmen "are not far from the coast of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk in the vicinity of Magadan ...

In the morning it was Mediterranean.

[Rzzz]

Quote: Harry.km

Screening of shadow cash.

It's cool, but at that time more than half of the economy was spinning in the shadows. When it was brought down, after it, in August 1998 the "official" part also collapsed.

[Lara Croft]

so the Constitution of the Russian Federation states: Defense of the Fatherland is the duty and obligation of a citizen of the Russian Federation.

Drive the trash Professor ...

A citizen of the Russian Federation is performing military service in accordance with federal law

Clause 2, Article 59 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation
http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_28399/5004a75d54e54d5824c87ac2b96954f252610504/

Are subject to conscription for military service:
a) male citizens aged from 18 to 27 yearswho are in the military register or not, but are obliged to be in the military register and are not in the reserve (hereinafter - citizens who are not in the reserve);

subparagraph a) clause 1 of article 22 of the Federal Law "On conscription and military service" of 28.03.1998 N53-FZ
http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_18260/d9310158b46b4612b367bfdee4a2cb6f4e0566a4/

Quote: professor

The country of victorious Zionism has no constitution

As in Great Britain, however, there are constitutional norms in these states ...

To date, the following acts are in force as the Basic Laws adopted by the Israeli Parliament and constituting the basis of the Constitution: Law on the Knesset (1958), Law on the Lands of Israel (1960), Law on the President of the State (1964), Law on Government (1968), Law on State Economy (1975), Law on the Army (1976), Law on Jerusalem, Capital of Israel (1980), Law on Civil Courts (1984) and several others.

http://uristinfo.net/2010-12-18-14-34-28/126-mvbaglaj-konstitutsionnoe-pravo-zarubezhnyh-stran/3313-glava-25-konstitutsionnoe-pravo-arabskih-stran.html?start=4
I would also come up with the Law "On the transfer of Gollan to the working people of the SAR" ...

[Professor]

Materiel.
"The Constitution of the Russian Federation" (adopted by popular vote on 12.12.1993 with amendments approved during the nationwide vote on 01.07.2020)
Article 59

1. Defense of the Fatherland is a duty and duty of a citizen of the Russian Federation.
2. A citizen of the Russian Federation bears military service in accordance with federal law.
3. A citizen of the Russian Federation in the event his conscientiousness or religion contradicts the performance of military service, as well as in other cases established by federal law, has the right to replace it with an alternative civilian service.

Quote: Lara Croft

As in Great Britain, however, there are constitutional norms in these states ...

To date, as Basic Laws adopted by the Israeli Parliament and constituting the basis of the constitution, the following acts are in force: Law on the Knesset (1958), Law on the Lands of Israel (1960), Law on the President of the State (1964), Law on the Government (1968), Law on State Economy (1975) .), Law on the Army (1976), Law on Jerusalem, the capital of Israel (1980), Law on Civil Courts (1984) and several others.

Constituting the basis of the constitution? There is no constitution.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: professor

Materiel.
"The Constitution of the Russian Federation" (adopted by popular vote on 12.12.1993 with amendments approved during the nationwide vote on 01.07.2020)
Article 59
1. Defense of the Fatherland is a duty and duty of a citizen of the Russian Federation.
2. A citizen of the Russian Federation bears military service in accordance with federal law.
3. A citizen of the Russian Federation in the event his conscientiousness or religion contradicts the performance of military service, as well as in other cases established by federal law, has the right to replace it with an alternative civilian service.

The Professor's problem is that it is not the Constitution of the Russian Federation that determines the procedure for performing military service, but the federal law, to which she refers in paragraph 2 of Article 59 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation ...
The Constitution of the Russian Federation only specifies constitutional norms, and the procedure and method for their implementation is established by federal laws ...
... so do not try to find the size of the minimum wage in the Constitution of the Russian Federation ...
..... and to add to your headache I will write that there are also the Constitutions of the Republics that are part of the Russian Federation, and other subjects of the Russian Federation have Charters ... so there are also constitutional norms of the subjects of the Russian Federation ...

Constituting the basis of the constitution? There is no constitution.

In Israel, as well as in Great Britain (and some other countries), there is no "written Constitution", i.e. the constitutional norms of these empirical states are not combined into a single document, but taken together constitute the Constitution ...

So pass the Law "On the transfer of Gollan to the working people of the SAR" as soon as possible .... and you will be happy ...

[Professor]

Quote: Lara Croft

The Professor's problem is that it is not the Constitution of the Russian Federation that determines the procedure for performing military service, but the federal law, to which she refers in paragraph 2 of Article 59 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation ...
The Constitution of the Russian Federation only specifies constitutional norms, and the procedure and method for their implementation is established by federal laws ...
... so do not try to find the size of the minimum wage in the Constitution of the Russian Federation ...
..... and to add to your headache I will write that there are also the Constitutions of the Republics that are part of the Russian Federation, and other subjects of the Russian Federation have Charters ... so there are also constitutional norms of the subjects of the Russian Federation ...

I don't see any problems. The Constitution of the Russian Federation states: Defense of the Fatherland is a duty and obligation of a citizen of the Russian Federation. No "hack". Learn materiel.

Quote: Lara Croft

In Israel, as well as in Great Britain (and some other countries), there is no "written Constitution", i.e. the constitutional norms of these empirical states are not combined into a single document, but taken together constitute the Constitution ...

No. Israel has no constitution. There is none. It was not accepted in referendums, it does not exist in printed form. It just doesn't exist. There is a so-called. "hukei yesod" (חוקי יסוד), but this is not a constitution. And there is a reason for that.
https://m.knesset.gov.il/activity/legislation/pages/basiclaws.aspx
Teach materiel.

Quote: Lara Croft

So pass the Law "On the transfer of Gollan to the working people of the SAR" as soon as possible .... and you will be happy ...

I wrote about the materiel above.

[Lara Croft]

Professor (Sokolov Oleg)The Constitution of the Russian Federation says: Defense of the Fatherland is the duty and obligation of a citizen of the Russian Federation.

And I tell you once again that you are referring only to one paragraph of Article 59 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, but you do not see paragraph 2 point-blank, because this paragraph has a reference to the federal law, which specifies which category of citizens is Defense of the Fatherland is a duty and obligation ...
So learn the hardware yourself ...

Not. Israel has no constitution. There is none. It was not accepted in referendums, it does not exist in printed form.

The US Constitution was also not adopted in a referendum ... but don't be nervous, the laws of the state of Israel I listed above constitute the constitutional norms of Israeli Jews ...

And about the Gollans, you are right, you do not need to accept anything, you just need to fulfill the UN Security Council resolution on their transfer to the SAR ...

[Professor]

Quote: Lara Croft

And I tell you once again that you are referring only to one paragraph of Article 59 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, but you do not see paragraph 2 point-blank, because this paragraph has a reference to the federal law, which specifies which category of citizens is Defense of the Fatherland is a duty and obligation ...
So learn the hardware yourself ...

The Constitution of the Russian Federation states: Defense of the Fatherland is duty и duty citizen of the Russian Federation.
Teach materiel.

Quote: Lara Croft

The US Constitution was also not adopted in a referendum ... but don't be nervous, the laws of the state of Israel I listed above constitute the constitutional norms of Israeli Jews ...

Israel has no constitution. This is the materiel.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: professor

The Constitution of the Russian Federation states: Defense of the Fatherland is duty и duty citizen of the Russian Federation.
Teach materiel.

Are you not going to calm down? Well I wrote that according to subparagraphs a), paragraph 1 of Article 22 of the Federal Law "On Military Duty and Military Service" of 28.03.1998/53/XNUMX NXNUMX-FZ these citizens mean only men 18-27 years old ... this Law is referred to by the norm of paragraph 2 of Article 59 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation ...
.... being in the military register or not, but obliged to be in the military register and not in the reserve (hereinafter referred to as citizens not in the reserve);
I will no longer advise mother to learn part, there is still no use

Promise to return the Gollans to the working people of ATS and we'll end there ...

[Professor]

Quote: Lara Croft

Are you not going to calm down? Well I wrote that according to subparagraphs a), clause 1 of Article 22 of the Federal Law "On Military Duty and Military Service" dated 28.03.1998 N53-FZ, these citizens are understood only as men 18-27 years old ... this Law refers to the norm of paragraph 2 of Article 59 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation ...

Yes, I am very "interested" in what you wrote there. The Constitution of the Russian Federation states: Defense of the Fatherland is a duty and obligation of a citizen of the Russian Federation.

Quote: Lara Croft

I will no longer advise mother to learn part, there is still no use

And rightly so. First, master the Constitution of the Russian Federation yourself.
http://www.constitution.ru/

[Lara Croft]

Professor The Constitution of the Russian Federation says: Defense of the Fatherland is the duty and obligation of a citizen of the Russian Federation.

This is not the entire text of the Constitution of the Russian Federation and not even the entire text of Article 59 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation
.... you yourself wrote it in full today in 12.40
1. Defense of the Fatherland is a duty and duty of a citizen of the Russian Federation.
2. A citizen of the Russian Federation bears military service in accordance with federal law.
3. A citizen of the Russian Federation in the event his conscientiousness or religion contradicts the performance of military service, as well as in other cases established by federal law, has the right to replace it with an alternative civilian service.
Clause 2 of Article 59 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation states:
2. Citizen Russian Federation carries out military service in accordance with federal law.
I posted a link to this article through it, you can find out which federal law was meant by the legislator ... namely, the Federal Law "On Military Duty and Military Service" of 28.03.1998/53/XNUMX NXNUMX-FZ ...
It's not my fault that you are not familiar with the reference norms specified in the rule of law and what legislative technique is ...

First, master the Constitution of the Russian Federation yourself.

I also mastered the document for that ...

And about the Gollans, you just need to fulfill the UN Security Council resolution on their transfer to the SAR ...
... your country agreed with the UN Charter when it was admitted there ... incl. agreed to comply with the UN Security Council resolutions ... what example are you setting for the working people of Iran, Palestine, SAR, Egypt, etc.

[Professor]

Quote: Lara Croft

I also mastered the document for that ...

I'm happy for you. Now you are aware that the quote I quoted "Defense of the Fatherland is the duty and obligation of a citizen of the Russian Federation" taken from the Constitution of the Russian Federation. the topic is closed. I will not feed any more.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: professor

Quote: Lara Croft

I also mastered the document for that ...

I'm happy for you. Now you are aware that the quote I quoted "Defense of the Fatherland is the duty and obligation of a citizen of the Russian Federation" taken from the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

I am also glad for you that you understood that clause 1 of Article 59 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation did not mean all citizens, but only those who are specified in the Federal Law "On Military Duty and Military Service" of 28.03.1998/53/2 N59-FZ. ... which is referred to in paragraph XNUMX of Article XNUMX of the Constitution of the Russian Federation ...

I won’t feed anymore.

Since when did the Israeli Jews feed someone? You would be ashamed, otherwise the labor collectives of the SAR will read you, they know the concept of an occupier well ...
Here now

topic is closed

P.S. Today is Saturday, and you are working on the forum here ....

[Senka naughty]

PS
In the country of victorious Zionism, there is no constitution and therefore conscripts are paid thousands of dollars in severance pay.

Well, of course, they also donate a house, with a wife and three post-school children. Cover one eye when joking.

[Professor]

Quote: Senka Mad

Well, of course, they also donate a house, with a wife and three post-school children. Cover one eye when joking.

The house is not given, but the national minorities who have served in Tsakhal are given a land plot for construction free of charge, and this already costs tens of thousands of dollars, and sometimes hundreds.

PS
https://www.hachvana.mod.gov.il/Grant/Pages/default.aspx
Silently envy. 17,570 shekels is US Dollar 5,158.09

[Elysium]

And they will remember the demobilization of the Ministry of Defense with a kind and affectionate word ...

[Yarik]

Who would doubt that they will reduce these pennies to conscripts. The cathedral has already been built. It's not a secret for anyone how they fought in three skins "voluntary" contributions from the boys to the temple for the sun-faced,

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Yarik

how they fought in three skins "voluntary" contributions from the boys to the temple for the sun-faced

The fashion for temples has already passed. Now they will erect demonic temples.

[Wwk7260]

Considering that the annual conscription and dismissal in the Russian Federation is about 280 people, the annual savings of 000 kr looks strange at least, and if you look further, then 560 rubles a month is not enough, not even enough for cigarettes

[_Sergei_]

After quarantine, the commander gathered us and explained that smoking is harmful. After a 10 km march, many realized this. It's good that I got to the power plant. I had to run less often.

[Wwk7260]

I quit smoking 25 years ago, although I smoked on an emergency basis, I have a negative attitude towards smoking, but I do not consider it an argument in the fight against smoking to offend human dignity with such a low monetary allowance, and conscripts need money not only for cigarettes, if they did, then you know. and the severance pay for conscripts should be well, at least 50 kr, at least for the first time, turn over, not everyone has wealthy families, there are orphans, etc.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Wwk7260

but I do not consider it an argument in the fight against smoking to offend human dignity with such a low pay

Do not confuse the RF Armed Forces with the French Foreign Legion. It was there that they fought against smoking in this way, limiting the issuance of money to hands during training.
We are stupidly saving.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Wwk7260

and if you look further, then 2000r per month is not enough, not even enough for cigarettes

Came out for demobilization, quit smoking.

[Alkonavt]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Wwk7260

and if you look further, then 2000r per month is not enough, not even enough for cigarettes

Came out for demobilization, quit smoking.

So that is not bad, but the collapse of the USSR occurred when cigarettes and smoke in general disappeared on sale Completely! I remember that it was the last straw of humiliation, although the reserves were huge .. The men were terribly angry at everything and everyone and were ready for EVERYTHING! Then everything appeared, but more expensive in lumps, but the process has already begun ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alkonavt

I remember this was the last straw of humiliation, although the reserves were huge.

Soap-sugar-cigarettes, and who would have thought it was collapse.

[Alkonavt]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Alkonavt

I remember this was the last straw of humiliation, although the reserves were huge.

Soap-sugar-cigarettes, and who would have thought it was collapse.

This was the last boiling point .. Read the memoirs of the "reformers", many of whom in the West received emergency training

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alkonavt

Read the memoirs of the "reformers", many of whom received emergency training in the West

I like the revelations of Naina Eltsina more, "I feel so sorry for those women who are queuing for sausage" and cried. 1997 presidential elections in Russia.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Wwk7260

saving 560 kr looks strange at least

Nothing strange. The enemies are working. They work not for money, but for an idea and a principle.

[Crane]

not even enough for cigarettes
-----------
Smoking is harmful. And at a young age it is easier to quit, because the experience is not long. But all the same, it is redneck, to cut the ration.

[polk26l]

It is sometimes difficult to understand MO, especially with regard to the financial and social security of the military! Instead of improving and increasing the security of the defenders of the Motherland, there is a reduction and decrease! And this is all, against the background of increasing financial support for officials and deputies! And where is the promised care of the state, represented by the head and leadership of the Ministry of Defense ???! The previous scandal with the budget of the Russian Federation for the needs of providing for military personnel, in the State. Duma confirmed it! One should look not at words and promises, but at deeds !!!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: polk26l

Instead of improving and increasing the security of the defenders of the Motherland, there is a reduction and decrease! And that's all, against the background of increasing financial support for officials and deputies!

And the phrase attributed to Napoleon is not outdated:

The people who do not want to feed their army will feed someone else's ...

Although, what kind of people are there? Zhirobots ...
Here is another failed pit - "national treasure":

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Incomes of members of the board of "Gazprom" in the first half of the year increased by 33% compared to the same period last year, follows from the company's financial statements under RAS.
Premiums for the specified period increased 1,8 times - up to 602 million rubles, and other types of remuneration increased almost six times - up to 9 million rubles, the report says. At the same time, it is noted that wages fell by 88,4% to 17 million rubles.
According to the company's financial statements, Gazprom incurred a net loss of almost RUB 277 billion in the first half of the year. against a net profit of 371,1 billion for the same period last year. Revenue decreased by 26% and amounted to 1,88 trillion rubles.
The Gazprom Management Board consists of 14 people. In 2019, the income of board members fell by half - to 1,3 billion rubles.

There is no money for the personnel ... The frigate "Admiral Chabanenko", included in the Navy on January 28, 1999, has been under repair at SR2014-3 since April 35 and the repair will last until 2022 ... Then they promised to modernize "Admiral Kuznetsov" "...
It seems to me, it's time to wool these "statesmen" who always have neither money nor time for necessary things ...

[Million]

Not really, homeland, the soldier began to love ...

[Lara Croft]

conscripts discharged to the reserve instead of 6 thousand, which consisted of the salary for the last month and two additional ones, will receive 4 thousand

With the money saved, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation will prematurely complete the rearmament of the RF Armed Forces with modern models of V and VT and will postpone the remaining saved money for the construction of the Death Star ....

[lelik613]

"Cut the wool from the eggs .." (c) Norot

[Dzafdet]

A quiet agony began. The bubble of gloss burst and poverty came out. This is how to destroy your production. Soon we won't even be able to make rockets ..

[rags]

Are there any tickets "on demand" left?

[Asad]

Precisely, on the reels to the house!

[iouris]

Conscription military service must be paid. The amount of wages cannot be lower than the minimum wage. If the work of a conscript is paid in the amount of 1 minimum wage, then it is "priceless". Then it is better not to call them at all.

[Lopatov]

Quote: iouris

Conscription military service must be paid.

Should not.
This is an honorable duty, not a job. They are not mercenaries.
They are not paid "wages", they are provided with "monetary allowance" Together with "clothing", "food" and other types

[iouris]

Quote: Spade

This is an honorable duty, not a job. They are not mercenaries.

This is a duty. By the way, this obligation can be replaced by "alternative civil service". In any case, military labor is labor, and any labor must be paid for. In addition, after the end of service (dismissal), money is needed to go to a permanent place of residence and settlements. So either pay or don't call.

[Lopatov]

Quote: iouris

This is a duty. By the way, this obligation can be replaced by "alternative civil service".

Without a difference.
It is not labor and it is not paid.
General.

[Senka naughty]

Without a difference.
It is not labor and it is not paid.
General.

Absolutely right. Urgent service is familiarizing a person with the army. This has a positive effect on the country's defense capability and on its economic component. I don't understand why service in the army is called duty / labor, I would call it a choice. You do not want to study, go be useful in another matter. You are given the opportunity to stay in the army and make a career. And you can demobilize and mix concrete at a construction site. This is also a choice.

[cat Rusich]

Sasha, "... Urgent service, this is familiarizing a person with the army ..." - let's remember Afghanistan, the First and Second Chechen Companies, the Five-Day War (in South Ossetia), conscripts fought everywhere. "Familiarization with the army" is a KMB and immediately "demobilization", but when you can be sent to war within 2-1 years of "conscript service", it is called differently ... "... You can demobilize and stir concrete at a construction site ... "- at a construction site in which apartments will be given to officers for serving in the army -" all professions are important, all crafts are needed - choose your taste (and salary ...) ".

[Senka naughty]

Quote: iouris

Quote: Spade

This is an honorable duty, not a job. They are not mercenaries.

This is a duty. By the way, this obligation can be replaced by "alternative civil service". In any case, military labor is labor, and any labor must be paid for. In addition, after the end of service (dismissal), money is needed to go to a permanent place of residence and settlements. So either pay or don't call.

The entire system of conscript service was invented back in the USSR, both then and now, all soldiers are on full allowance. I served in the union, and then, that now, no one called the service "labor", you were given an analogy with the mercenaries above. Most of the conscripts did not spend their benefits at all during the service. Personally, I was demobilized, there was a decent amount + day off. If you need to smoke, run over the girl's fence + vodka, then of course no allowance will be enough. And if you have a head on your shoulders, you can dig in, a couple of months before demobilization and as a person come home.

In addition, after the end of service (dismissal) to follow to the permanent place of residence

I may surprise you, but for a long time there has been a "road scheme", filling which soldiers from distant regions are additionally paid for. The fact that some parts do not advertise it and profit from it is already from another play.

[Bat039]

It is necessary to economize on Chubais and Alkashtsentry, and not on the people and not on the army!

[RUnnm]

Well done, found someone to save money on! It's not Miller, Chubais, Serdyukov, Sechin, etc., to cut salaries.
Moreover, you can give out cheaper uniforms to fighters, and feed them cheaper - then our army is still workers' and peasants, everything will be demolished. It's not the children of the oligarchs who go to serve.
Moreover, the amount of savings is penny!

[andreykolesov123]

In Israel, the severance pay for conscripts is about 260000 rubles. That's the whole difference.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: andreykolesov123

In Israel, the severance pay for conscripts is about 260000 rubles. That's the whole difference.

And another 385000 rubles. for the savings program at the bank, which can be rented for study, wedding, apartment, etc.

[Professor]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

And another 385000 rubles. for the savings program at the bank, which can be rented for study, wedding, apartment, etc.

Or just get your hands on it 5 years after the DMB for any purpose.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: professor

Or just get your hands on it 5 years after the DMB for any purpose.

Yes, of course, I didn't paint EVERYTHING.

[Quadro]

Quote: andreykolesov123

In Israel, the severance pay for conscripts is about 260000 rubles. That's the whole difference.

Again these primitive conversions of dollars and shekels into rubles, forgetting about spending. From the category "in the United States, a worker receives 300 thousand rubles," forgetting to say that they have no ruble zone and no ruble prices.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Quadro

Quote: andreykolesov123

In Israel, the severance pay for conscripts is about 260000 rubles. That's the whole difference.

Again these primitive conversions of dollars and shekels into rubles, forgetting about spending. From the category "in the United States, a worker receives 300 thousand rubles," forgetting to say that they have no ruble zone and no ruble prices.

The difference in prices between Russia and Israel is 2-3 times depending on the product, and the difference in benefits is 2-3 orders of magnitude.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Quadro

Again these primitive conversions of dollars and shekels into rubles, forgetting about spending.

You are right.
In shekels, this is about 13000. Considering that all of them are not married and live at home, this money in 70% of cases goes to travel to the countries of Southeast Asia.
And in order for you to understand what you can buy for this amount, this two to three months a day for good parties in pubs and discos.

[Professor]

Quote: Quadro

Quote: andreykolesov123

In Israel, the severance pay for conscripts is about 260000 rubles. That's the whole difference.

Again these primitive conversions of dollars and shekels into rubles, forgetting about spending. From the category "in the United States, a worker receives 300 thousand rubles," forgetting to say that they have no ruble zone and no ruble prices.

Uh-huh. The iPhone costs about the same.
Tickets abroad are the same. With this money, you can travel to South America or India and the region for a year.

[rocket757]

It is strange if they do that ...
In our time, there was "Ustinovskiy chervonets" and that's it. Enough.
Team economy, and sediment, among other things, will be added if they do so.

[Cat]

Fig to myself, conscripts are also paid severance pay! In the SA, only travel requirements were given and a salary with a rank - for demobilization and so there were full of happiness.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Gato

Fig to myself, conscripts are also paid severance pay! In the SA, only travel requirements were given and a salary with a rank - for demobilization and so there were full of happiness.

A soldier is not a slave or a convict, he is a civil servant who also risks his life. So why is some manager with a briefcase entitled to a normal severance pay, and a soldier with a gun only for a pack of canned cat food?

[Cat]

A soldier is not a slave or a convict, he is a civil servant

De facto, the conscript is no different from these two categories. He cannot break the contract, quit, etc. This is a contrabass civil servant, he makes his choice consciously (probably). In general, in my opinion, conscript service in a bourgeois state is a veiled form of slavery or, at best, a way to save money on a hired army.

[cat Rusich]

Sergey, - Finland, Switzerland, Estonia, Lithuania, Greece, Norway ... Germany wants to call to introduce typical "slave-owning states" from 2021 (in the listed countries, except for the Federal Republic of Germany, there is a conscription)

[rags]

The soldier does not understand that the machine gun was issued to him to improve material well-being

[Cat]

to improve material well-being

To increase the well-being of the conscript, I give out a shovel. Whose welfare improves in this case - it is clear.

[Harry.km]

Quote: Lumpen

The soldier does not understand that the machine gun was issued to him to improve material well-being

A decrease in the material support of a person with a gun significantly spurs his thinking processes ...

[rags]

So yes, looking for alternative sources of income! Then the car won't start, then the tank won't drive, then the cabin of the plane "freezes"

[A. Privalov]

Strange ... It seems that the defense budget is not being cut, but conscripts have been offended.

In our area, soldiers after the end of the service are given a gift for any purpose 15-17 thousand (323 rubles, 000 dollars - 4400 rubles -363 dollars) and even there, a large amount but for certain purposes - study, marriage, starting a business, something else. Those who have served full time in combat units can get quite decent money.
If interested, here in Russian:

https://www.nbn.org.il/post-army_ru/maa
nak-and-pikadon-ru /

[evgen1221]

Question from the audience - Have you tried them with dust?

[koksalek]

And they don't sell cartridges to conscripts yet? Well, so that there was something to defend the private estates and estates of senators and bureaucrats, whose factories and bourgeois factories. Old-timers say before all this was folk and was called the Motherland

[fif21]

Cancel conscription service. Let these clever men themselves guard their thieves' bourgeoisie.

[Charik]

probably they want to transfer again to the construction of summer cottages for generals

[Yurahip]

All at the numerous requests of demobels, they say, we will have enough on the train and 4 thousand dollars to drink, let Shoige buy new boots with a cap!

[Avior]

Disgusting, however.
Not everyone's mom and dad are supported.
There should be severance pay long enough for the guy to find a job.