Was there an incident? Experts and press on the alleged collision of frigates of Greece and Turkey

On August 13, reports began to appear in the press about an alleged clash in the Mediterranean Sea of ​​warships of the Greek and Turkish fleets. Initially, this incident was denied by the military. However, they pointed out in sharp tones the need for adequate behavior at sea.

Still collided?

On August 14, one of the largest Greek publications Kathimerini reported that on Thursday two frigates collided in the Mediterranean Sea - F-451 Limnos and F-247 Kemal Reis:

The Turkish frigate ["Kemal Reis"] was damaged, in contrast to the Greek, which participated in the Greek-French joint exercises in the region on Thursday

- explained the publication, indicating that this incident will be considered at the extraordinary Council of the EU on foreign affairs with the provision of relevant materials.

Recep Erdogan, in turn, announced an attack on the research vessel Oruc Reis, which is working on the disputed shelf:

We said not to attack the Oruk Reis or pay a heavy price. And they got the first answer.

At the same time, it is not clear what exactly Erdogan had in mind.

According to Kathimerini, the incident was presumably caused by a mistake by the Turkish captain. A number of sources reported on the commission of a bulk on a Turkish ship. The Greek edition of Army Voice believes that the clash can be roughly divided into three stages. The Turkish frigate moved across the Greek frigate, which was forced to sharply slow down. As a result, "Kemal Reis", slipping past its "counterpart", substituted the board under the attack of "Limnos".

Collision pattern (c) Army Voice

Was there an incident?

A series of photographs uploaded by the General Staff of Greece show joint exercises with France. The F-451 frigate, which participated in the incident, also appears on them. According to a number of experts, his nose is "decorated" with a dent, which, presumably, could have formed as a result of the impact.

F-451 "Limnos" (c) General Staff of Greece

From the Greek side, there were reports of serious damage to a Turkish ship, which was allegedly forced to head to port. In contrast to these allegations, Ankara posted a video footage showing the "Kemal Reis" in the marching row with the research vessel, which it is supposed to cover.

F-247 "Kemal Flight" (c) of the Ministry of Defense of Turkey

However, Army Voice believes this video only confirms the incident. According to him, the blow of the Greek frigate fell below and above the waterline of the starboard side of the Turkish ship. The influx of water forced to balance the ballast, transferring it, if necessary, to the port side. One of these moments was captured on the video: in the last seconds it is clearly seen that the ship has received a corresponding roll.

Given such controversial statements, in the end it remains unclear: whether the collision took place, if so, how, and what consequences came after the incident.

Milli Savunma Bakanlığı son paylaşımını, dün Yunan Fırkateyni Limnos'u 'sopalayarak' bölgeden uzaklaştıran (F-247) Kemal Reis fırkateynimizin # OruçReis'i himaye eden “gün içi görev” görüntüsüyle yaptı.@ChristianChristian pic.twitter.com/L0vTqymFVB

- Abdullah Ağar (@ abdullahagar2) August 13

Comments

[andrewkor]

It's not clear who won whom. We stock up on popcorn and continue to watch.

[Alkonavt]

Quote: andrewkor

It's not clear who won whom. We stock up on popcorn and continue to watch.

The USA and their Congress have won! The recalcitrant Erdogan (the second largest army in NATO) urgently needs to be played off with someone! It doesn't work with Russia in any way .. But the Greeks are quite an option ..

[marchcat]

Such "tricks" are rarely done without consequences. Turkish sailors should be more careful. So you can stay without a frigate.

[PN]

Well, if the cap of the Greek frigate had not lost momentum, then perhaps the Turkish would have been left without a ship ...

[Insurgent]

the blow of the Greek frigate fell below and above the waterline of the starboard side of the Turkish ship. The influx of water forced to balance the ballast, transferring it, if necessary, to the port side. One of these moments got on the video: in the last seconds it is clearly visible that the ship has been trimmed accordingly.

Generally trim is called the angle of deviation of the plane of the midship frame from the vertical, and more simply - the difference between the draft of the ship by the bow and stern (in degrees, percent, measures of length).

What "board to board" - this bank.

[Kirgudu B.]

Awareness is demonstrated and credited. But the fact is, in the article there is not a word about the differential, but the roll is mentioned.

Quote: Insurgent

the ship was trimmed accordingly.

[Mavrikiy]

Collision pattern (c) Army Voice

Judging by the diagram, this is not a bulk, but a ram!

[Pereira]

Judging by the scheme, this is a failed Turkish ram.
Well, what, what, but the Greeks understand rams. Since the time of Salamis.

[Alkonavt]

Quote: Pereira

Judging by the scheme, this is a failed Turkish ram.
Well, what, what, but the Greeks understand rams. Since the time of Salamis.

I agree ! Here is an example from the USSR, a significant 1988, the Amers began to become impudent, after the betrayal of the humpback-Iuda, but the fighting spirit in our Soviet Army was still high!

But alas, now they in the Black Sea feel insolent, thanks to the Outskirts-their colony ..

[raki-uzo]

The Limnos wanted to approach the Oruch Reis (research vessel). “Kemal Reis” managed to accelerate and did not give a pass to “Limnos”. He knocked his nose, and then hastily returned from the place of collision.

[Prisoner]

Yes, a scandal in a "noble" family. Two naty figs seem to each other and push. Just about a holiday of the soul.

[Gennady Fomkin]

I rode a Greek across the river, sees a Greek - a cancer in the river.
He put a Greek hand in the river, a cancer by the hand of a Greek - tsap!

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: marchcat

Such "tricks" are rarely done without consequences. Turkish sailors should be more careful. So you can stay without a frigate.

Turkey also intends to project its naval power into the surrounding regions. After the completion of Anadolu, Turkey will receive a battleship from which modern combat aircraft and helicopters can take off and which can operate in an area with a radius of 4500 miles from the home port.

[rotmistr60]

We said not to attack the Oruk Flight, otherwise pay a heavy price

What familiar words are heard so often from the NATO chief that other "members" are not averse to using them.

research the Oruc Reis vessel, which is working on the disputed shelf

So a frigate or research vessel? Or in Turkey, warships are intended exclusively for research purposes?

[Oquzyurd]

The keel of the Greek ship was damaged. After the incident, he urgently went to the port for repair. The Turkish ship was damaged, equivalent to a scratch.

[no better place for]

The Greeks tried to stop the exploration vessel. And the frigate from the convoy prevented him

[iouris]

Naval war is not the same ... You can refuse from rocket and artillery weapons - useless expensive ballast. The bows of warships must be reinforced and equipped with ramming devices, and the sides must be strengthened.

[Dikson]

It was already .. - for all the armored time .. - only one case of a real battering ram .. and the stems riveted everything. - look at Aurora ..

[Owls 79]

The Greeks decided to recall the tactics of the trireme - battering ram.