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A new pistol has been created in Russia for the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the National Guard

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A new pistol has been created in Russia for the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the National Guard

In Russia, a new pistol has been created, designed for operational or hidden carrying by employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the National Guard. The pistol was developed at TsNIITOCHMASH as part of the Poloz ROC. The press service of Rostec reports.


Reportedly, the new compact self-loading pistol, dubbed "Poloz", has a caliber of 9x19 mm. It is more compact and lighter than standard army samples and is designed for concealed carry by police and National Guard officers. The declared firing range is 50 meters, standard pistol cartridges and cartridges with a 9x19 mm caliber steel core bullet are used for firing. Magazine capacity - 15 or 18 rounds. Resource weapons - not less than 10 shots. It is declared that the weapon remains operational in the range from -000 to +50 ° C.

The modular design allows replacement of the handle without replacing the main parts and the use of magazines of different capacities. It is convenient, reliable and unpretentious to use, which is extremely important for operational services employees

- said the general director of TsNIITOCHMASH Albert Bakov.

The new pistol will be presented to the general public during the Army-2020 International Military-Technical Forum. The "Runner" will be shown both statically and dynamically - the shooting will take place at the shooting range of the Patriot Park.
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  1. Karaul73
    Karaul73 14 August 2020 12: 27
    12
    If there was also a civilian arms market, then there would be many more such novelties.
    1. Ded_Mazay
      Ded_Mazay 14 August 2020 13: 29
      +7
      Quote: Sentry73
      If there was also a civilian arms market ...

      Before you write, ask how our judicial practice is in terms of Articles 108 and 114 of the Criminal Code. And then write about the "civilian arms market" in relation to the "short-barreled".
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 14 August 2020 13: 34
        +6
        Why is the market for "civilian weapons" in Russia? judging by the number of "new products", it is being successfully replaced by the arms market for the "National Guard and other" siloviki "...
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 14 August 2020 14: 05
          -6
          Quote: Snail N9
          Why is the market for "civilian weapons" in Russia? judging by the number of "new products", it is being successfully replaced by the arms market for the "National Guard and other" siloviki "...

          Judging by this photo, we have something wrong with society, or the leadership is so afraid of society.
          1. Navel
            Navel 14 August 2020 15: 01
            28
            The devil is in the details. I am sure, for example, that Rosgvardia and the Federal Penitentiary Service were included in the "siloviki" of Russia, and for the United States they kept silent about the National Guard and prison guards (they are largely private in custody of 2,2 million people))) I love such stuffing)
            1. Shilka
              Shilka 14 August 2020 16: 48
              0
              Quote: navel
              The devil is in the details. I am sure, for example, that Rosgvardia and the Federal Penitentiary Service were included in the "siloviki" of Russia, and for the United States they kept silent about the National Guard and prison guards (they are largely private in custody of 2,2 million people))) I love such stuffing)

              Thank you, otherwise these "extras" are throwing such a schedule here that you are amazed not by the country, but by the solid security forces and officials .. Although, compared to the USSR, there is also a significant increase. But the number of doctors, scientists, skilled workers is a sharp decline .. hi
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 14 August 2020 16: 52
                -8
                Although there is a significant increase in comparison with the USSR. But the number of doctors, scientists, skilled workers is a sharp decline. Hi

                You agree that in comparison with the USSR there is an increase, but forget that in the USSR the population was twice as large ... and, accordingly, now the per capita figure is off scale.
                1. Shilka
                  Shilka 14 August 2020 17: 09
                  +5
                  Quote: Svarog
                  You agree that in comparison with the USSR there is an increase, but forget that in the USSR the population was twice as large ... and, accordingly, now the per capita figure is off scale.

                  So now we have democracy and freedom ".. Do you understand what I mean? Take as an example Ukraine and Belarus, what they did and are doing there, like rabid" protestors ".. And in the USA, France, pogroms are going on, etc.
                  Is this what you and people like you were trying to achieve in the 80s and 90s?
                  If you want pogroms, then cut the security forces and see what happens to you .. I remember the beginning of the 90s, when in any city and village, not only at night, but during the day it was scary to go out .. What was happening, it's horror!
                  1. Svarog
                    Svarog 14 August 2020 17: 17
                    -4
                    Quote: Shilka
                    So now we have democracy and freedom "

                    For a narrow group of people, yes .. But here Platoshkin, Grudinin and others who have experienced the charm of our democracy and freedom will not agree with you ..
                    Do you want pogroms?

                    Like it or not, they will start when the refrigerator finally defeats the propaganda ..
                    It is better to address this question to the authorities, I wonder what they are trying to achieve.
                    1. Shilka
                      Shilka 14 August 2020 17: 40
                      +4
                      Quote: Svarog
                      For a narrow group of people, yes .. But here Platoshkin, Grudinin and others who have experienced the charm of our democracy and freedom will not agree with you ..

                      Volodya, but Grudinin had large accounts abroad, after all, he did not deny it and framed the voters of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation .. If he started with lies, then who would he be when he became the head of Russia? By the way, with a mustache, like Lukashenko and the chairman of the collective farm .. Zyuganov made a bet on this and took his word for it ..
                      Quote: Svarog
                      Like it or not, they will start when the refrigerator finally defeats the propaganda ..

                      Well, from hunger to die in Russia, no one is visible yet .. Yes, life is not sugar, of course, but at least some kind of stability ..
                      Quote: Svarog
                      It is better to address this question to the authorities, I wonder what they are trying to achieve.

                      Stability, so far we can’t be buzzing for the joy of the West .. War smells and redistribution of world property .. And Russia would be better off not taking part in this fight .. And we are constantly "invited" knowing how we can fight and give the last shirt.
                      These are the things in the Urals tank divisions and points bully
            2. Revival
              Revival 14 August 2020 17: 42
              +1
              Yes, we need to figure it out kkk was counting, maybe it's true we included the National Guard, but they don't
            3. PSih2097
              PSih2097 15 August 2020 15: 04
              +1
              Quote: navel
              The devil is in the details. I am sure, for example, that Rosgvardia and the Federal Penitentiary Service were included in the "siloviki" of Russia, and for the United States they kept silent about the National Guard and prison guards (they are largely private in custody of 2,2 million people))) I love such stuffing)

              Quote: Revival
              Yes, we need to figure it out kkk was counting, maybe it's true we included the National Guard, but they don't

              for the United States, the National Guard is reservists for the active army ("partisans at the training camp" in our opinion), and not ours are in active service ...
            4. Alexfly
              Alexfly 17 August 2020 11: 42
              0
              And since when did the Russian Guard become part of the armed forces, more details please? What functions is this nice structure designed for?
          2. The Word of the Word
            The Word of the Word 14 August 2020 16: 11
            +3
            Is there a breakdown by departments (preferably with links) or did "blogger Vasya Lieberman" invent this infographic at home?)
            1. Shilka
              Shilka 14 August 2020 16: 50
              +5
              Quote: Freedom of the Word
              Is there a breakdown by departments (preferably with links) or did "blogger Vasya Lieberman" invent this infographic at home?)

              And obviously he drew with creativity, like here's a "bloody regime" .. .. bully
          3. 76rtbr
            76rtbr 14 August 2020 23: 55
            -3
            Again, these patriots of the military pensionEry climbed out of the minus, who farther than their x .. do not see any h.I, sit straight, you are all right ?!
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          5. Slaven
            Slaven 15 August 2020 14: 20
            +1
            Yes, only there is a shortage of personnel on the ground and the number of managers can sometimes be close to the number of subordinates.
      2. Svidetel 45
        Svidetel 45 14 August 2020 15: 03
        +1
        And I don't give a damn about how things are going with the practice there, if they were allowed to, about acquired, it is better to have 12 judged than carry six, or one rolls in a wheelchair.
      3. Tank hard
        Tank hard 14 August 2020 21: 15
        +1
        Quote: Ded_Mazay
        Before you write, ask how our judicial practice is in relation to Articles 108 and 114 of the Criminal Code.

        There is such an opinion
    2. vkl.47
      vkl.47 14 August 2020 13: 47
      +5
      As I understand it, this "boa constrictor" is only smaller and the caliber is 9 * 19 and not 9 * 21. In any case, it looks not bad.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 14 August 2020 14: 42
        +4
        Well, yes, from the same serpentarium. wink

        "Boa".
  2. vonWolfenstein
    vonWolfenstein 14 August 2020 12: 29
    11
    But PM will live in holsters for a long time ...
    1. KCA
      KCA 14 August 2020 12: 40
      +6
      Comrade's father was an investigator of the prosecutor's office, his service weapon was a revolver of the Nagant system
      1. Sergey Obraztsov
        Sergey Obraztsov 14 August 2020 12: 43
        +6
        My father also told me that he saw in a militia shooting range how they fired from a revolver. He was then explained that this is a revolver of the 1895 model. It was in the late 70s.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 14 August 2020 13: 22
          +9
          Quote: Sergey Obraztsov
          My father also told me that he saw in a militia shooting range how they fired from a revolver. He was then explained that this is a revolver of the 1895 model. It was in the late 70s.

          In the railway department and the security of various defense enterprises, revolvers "Nagant" were written off about 15 years ago. I came across samples of the pre-revolutionary release with a front sight of a different shape, as well as a more compact one, with a shortened barrel and a reduced grip size. When fired with a preliminary platoon, the revolver demonstrated very good accuracy, significantly exceeding the PM and TT. This weapon would still serve, but ammunition stocks have run out.
        2. Obliterator
          Obliterator 14 August 2020 13: 53
          +7
          Quote: Sergey Obraztsov
          My father also told me that he saw in a militia shooting range how they fired from a revolver. He was then explained that this is a revolver of the 1895 model. It was in the late 70s.

          They were still in the 90s. Dad showed me the Nagan with a sports handle, which was then still in the gun, which was there for training personnel in shooting. Then I heard from other people that there were single copies of the Nagans in the weapons of the ROVD, and that the results of firing from them were higher than from the PM. Allegedly, someone who shot badly with a PM, from Nagant managed to put the whole drum into the target.
        3. 76rtbr
          76rtbr 15 August 2020 00: 02
          +1
          I had it in 1914, they were shooting at a shooting range, so some of them just spat and did not shoot! the trunks are all worn out, there are really no rifling.
      2. Shilka
        Shilka 14 August 2020 16: 53
        +4
        Quote: KCA
        Comrade's father was an investigator of the prosecutor's office, his service weapon was a revolver of the Nagant system

        OUR man, old school .. And the holster is so shabby! hi
      3. Crane
        Crane 14 August 2020 18: 48
        0
        My friend's father was an investigator of the prosecutor's office, his service weapon was a revolver of the Nagant system.
        ===========
        What years were they? It's just that now, the tracker doesn't need a pestle.
        1. KCA
          KCA 14 August 2020 19: 07
          0
          In the fun, in the 90s, or rather, he received it earlier, and was listed until retirement, he constantly did not wear it, of course, but there were times he brought it home, maybe for cleaning before checking, maybe for something else, no safe was not, so we had the opportunity to carefully study the revolver, we were already well grown up, after the army, there was no desire to shoot
          1. Crane
            Crane 14 August 2020 19: 14
            0
            Nagant in the 90s? Regular? I can't believe it. Not a grandmother from VOKHRA ...
            1. KCA
              KCA 14 August 2020 19: 27
              0
              Firstly, he received a revolver in the 70s, served in one place, did not move, and secondly, an office worker, not an operative, but the weapon was supposed to be given out and took
              1. Crane
                Crane 14 August 2020 19: 28
                +1
                I see. Thanks.
            2. 76rtbr
              76rtbr 15 August 2020 00: 06
              +1
              2002 VO Ministry of Railways were nagans
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 14 August 2020 13: 08
      -5
      But PM will live in holsters for a long time ...
      It seems that they have not been in holsters for a long time, but it would be better if they lived further. Now there are Yarygins - out of 18 shots, at least one distortion can happen. Better yet, the Stechkins - they can fight without ammunition (sarcasm).
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 14 August 2020 13: 43
        10
        Quote: NDR-791
        Better yet, the Stechkins - they can fight without cartridges (sarcasm).

    3. keeper03
      keeper03 14 August 2020 13: 39
      +1
      What does 15 or 18 mean? recourse Couldn't count? !! what
      1. vkl.47
        vkl.47 14 August 2020 13: 50
        +2
        The handle can be changed for 15 or 18 rounds magazines
        1. GTYCBJYTH2021
          GTYCBJYTH2021 14 August 2020 17: 42
          0
          Quote: vkl.47
          The handle can be changed for 15 or 18 rounds magazines

          Change under the number of cartridges HANDLE or clip, so the store is already ........
          1. vkl.47
            vkl.47 14 August 2020 18: 21
            0
            Read the article carefully.
            The modular design allows replacement of the handle without replacing the main parts and the use of magazines of different capacities. It is convenient, reliable and unpretentious to use, which is extremely important for operational services employees
            1. GTYCBJYTH2021
              GTYCBJYTH2021 18 August 2020 18: 02
              0
              Quote: vkl.47
              Read the article carefully.
              The modular design allows replacement of the handle without replacing the main parts and the use of magazines of different capacities. It is convenient, reliable and unpretentious to use, which is extremely important for operational services employees

              You, I'm sure, are not an employee and not a former, you will change the HANDLE ..... if you need it ..... I will insert 9 cartridges into the pasta ..... without changing the handles .....
  3. 1536
    1536 14 August 2020 12: 33
    -1
    Still, a good weapon must be beautiful. And this pistol is beautiful.
    1. Aleksandre
      Aleksandre 14 August 2020 12: 38
      +5
      Quote: 1536
      Still, a good weapon must be beautiful. And this pistol is beautiful.

      A good weapon, IMHO, should be an extension of your own hand, that is, convenient.
      Unless, of course, it was bought just to lie down at the stand in the collection.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 14 August 2020 18: 05
      +1
      Quote: 1536
      Still, a good weapon must be beautiful.

      So? lol
  4. 1536
    1536 14 August 2020 12: 42
    +4
    Quote: Aleksandre
    Quote: 1536
    Still, a good weapon must be beautiful. And this pistol is beautiful.

    A good weapon, IMHO, should be an extension of your own hand, that is, convenient.
    Unless, of course, it was bought just to lie down at the stand in the collection.

    So hands should be beautiful and skillful, the most important thing.
    1. Aleksandre
      Aleksandre 14 August 2020 13: 35
      +1
      Quote: 1536
      So hands should be beautiful and skillful, the most important thing.

      Duc is so obvious that it was not worth mentioning, and not only in the sense of marksmanship, but also any other case requiring the direct participation of the upper limbs. But what kind of shooting record you don’t spit, you will get into the details: custom and piece weapons, unique sight, cartridges are polished with pinpoint precision ... they don’t indicate about the hands, and so it’s clear wink
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 14 August 2020 15: 08
        +1
        Quote: Aleksandre
        custom and piece weapons, the sight is unique, the cartridges are polished with pinpoint precision ... they don't indicate hands, and so it's clear

        For the fourth year I have been changing the air gun, I am trying to achieve accuracy, 8 barrels have been replaced by Alpha, LV, Lobaev, but still, the breaks are quite annoying and inexplicable.
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    1. RUnnm
      RUnnm 14 August 2020 12: 55
      +3
      Well, what is it, in general, said?
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 14 August 2020 13: 20
        +2
        Well, how can I explain to you ... When you see a colonel of the Ministry of Internal Affairs on the screen, and he has piles of loot on his hut, in the amount of the budget of an average city, then involuntarily you remember how the shah of the Ottoman Empire sent a silk cord to unwanted vassals.
        But, if you think that in the listed structures there are completely crystal clear people ... Then forgive me for ruining your dreams.
        But I'm not suggesting to reward everyone. And the "distinguished"!
        1. RUnnm
          RUnnm 14 August 2020 13: 50
          +3
          Where did I write about "completely crystal clear people"? And in what structure are there no corrupt officials? The Ministry of Defense or what? I am sure that Timur I. will give odds to any colonel and general of the Ministry of Internal Affairs with ease. Or there are no such people in medicine, education, but anywhere ..
        2. cost
          cost 14 August 2020 17: 01
          +2
          The leader of the Redskins: Shah of the Ottoman Empire

          belay
          Throw ka you, Nazariy, the topic of Ukraine, but go to the "History." I guarantee you will have many fans there. yes
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 14 August 2020 17: 23
            0
            Not strong))) request Pikul described this. So I can't vouch for the truth)))
            And Ukraine, I just know a little. And not from the words of strangers. And not from the media.
  6. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 14 August 2020 12: 54
    -1
    It is more compact and lighter than standard army samples ...

    I.e? Army samples remained at the PM level, more bulky and heavy? belay
    ... and is designed for concealed carry by police and National Guard officers.

    It is right. I thought of some kind of "..." to look askance at the employee or, even worse, to shout or spit in his direction, throw a napkin or paper cup, and then ...
    A compact and lightweight 18-round pistol appears in the hand ... fellow
    How, interestingly, did the police officers cope without pistols? And what adversaries should the military fight with weapons of inferior quality?
    IT WAS ALWAYS IMMEDIATED THAT THE BEST WEAPON SHOULD BE DESIGNED FOR THE ARMY AND SPECIAL UNITS. THERE IS AN ENEMY (ENEMY) DEFINED AND ARMED.
    He needs to be resisted properly.
    God forbid, such a pistol falls into the hands of some new "Evsyukov" ...
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      1. Out
        Out 14 August 2020 14: 17
        -1
        Compared to P08, all the other freaks))). There, and the crank mechanism is beautiful.
    2. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 14 August 2020 13: 19
      +5
      Is PM something heavy and bulky?
      In my opinion, its only drawback, as a close combat weapon, is a small store.
    3. Obliterator
      Obliterator 14 August 2020 13: 35
      +4
      Quote: ROSS 42
      How, interestingly, did the police officers cope without pistols?

      No way. The police always had pistols. Personnel on duty must be armed.
      Quote: ROSS 42
      IT WAS ALWAYS IMMEDIATED THAT THE BEST WEAPON SHOULD BE INTENDED FOR THE ARMY AND SPECIAL UNITS.

      The army and the police have different tasks, and therefore they need different weapons.
      Quote: ROSS 42
      God forbid, such a pistol falls into the hands of some new "Evsyukov" ...
      fool
    4. olegff68
      olegff68 14 August 2020 13: 48
      +6
      I.e? Army samples remained at the PM level, more bulky and heavy?

      Why so much hysteria?
      For military use, OTHER samples are needed and developed (for example, the Boa constrictor), chambered for a cartridge with a greater penetration capacity (such as 9 × 21) than that of the PM. Such samples are heavier and cumbersome.
      For police missions, ammunition with a high stopping effect such as 9 × 18 PBM, or 9 × 19, is suitable, besides, pistols for such ammunition are more compact and more suitable for concealed carry. It's simple.
    5. Captain45
      Captain45 14 August 2020 18: 44
      +1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      How, interestingly, did the police officers cope without pistols?

      I can tell you, even more, not only without pistols, but also without sticks, handcuffs, bird cherry in the 80s. I started my service at 85 in the teaching staff, they did not give anything of this, and there were none, well, except for PM. As an improvised special means, a radio station of the "Dnepr" or "Viola" type was used, all the same, after an hour and a half, their battery sat down and the telephone in the nearest store or a gatehouse became the main means of communication. But then there were other people, it was enough to flash a pair of cockades at the entrance to the dance floor and somehow everything calmed down by itself.
  7. RUnnm
    RUnnm 14 August 2020 13: 09
    +4
    Quote: ROSS 42
    I thought of some "..." to look askance at the employee or, even worse, shout or spit in his direction, throw a napkin or a paper cup,

    Do you think that this is normal behavior towards the representative of the law? First a napkin, they didn't answer - a glass, they didn't answer - a bottle, and then a Molotov cocktail.
    And there are enough Evsyukovs among any group of people.
    1. AUL
      AUL 14 August 2020 15: 01
      -1
      Quote: RUnnm
      First a napkin, they didn't answer - a glass, they didn't answer - a bottle, and then a Molotov cocktail.

      Of course of course! It is necessary to extrapolate the behavior of any renegades.
      Today he plays jazz
      And tomorrow he will sell his homeland! laughing
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 14 August 2020 16: 07
        0
        No, it is necessary to put you without special means in front of a crowd of maddened (and the crowd is always just such) "onizhedeti" and then you will speculate ....
        Although ... people like you just kneel in front of the crowd with a squeal of fear ...
  8. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 14 August 2020 13: 14
    +3
    the opinion of those who are fond of practical shooting is interesting ... how good is it? ... for me so in skillful bunches and PM is good ... never let me down)) ... when the machine was not appropriate))
  9. Ded_Mazay
    Ded_Mazay 14 August 2020 13: 16
    0
    It is high time to make a sensible replacement of the PMu. Only now it bothers me that the chosen caliber is 9x19, isn't it rather weak at the present time?
    1. Obliterator
      Obliterator 14 August 2020 14: 03
      +3
      Quote: Ded_Mazay
      It is high time to make a sensible replacement of the PMu. Only now it bothers me that the chosen caliber is 9x19, isn't it rather weak at the present time?

      9x19 is a workhorse for pistols for armies and police in most countries of the world. In terms of energy, it surpasses the current 9X18, so it should be enough for police tasks.
      1. Ded_Mazay
        Ded_Mazay 14 August 2020 14: 28
        0
        Quote: Obliterator
        Quote: Ded_Mazay
        It is high time to make a sensible replacement of the PMu. Only now it bothers me that the chosen caliber is 9x19, isn't it rather weak at the present time?

        9x19 is a workhorse for pistols for armies and police in most countries of the world. In terms of energy, it surpasses the current 9X18, so it should be enough for police tasks.

        The fact that in terms of energy it surpasses 9x18 is understandable, but can it even cope with a simple bulletproof vest?
        1. Obliterator
          Obliterator 14 August 2020 15: 03
          +3
          Quote: Ded_Mazay
          The fact that in terms of energy it surpasses 9x18 is understandable, but can it even cope with a simple bulletproof vest?

          Depends on the type of ammunition. But for a police officer, the armor penetration of bullets is much less important, for a military man, since criminals do not wear armor. And an unnecessary penetrating action is fraught with the danger of injury to unauthorized persons.
          1. Ded_Mazay
            Ded_Mazay 14 August 2020 15: 30
            -2
            Quote: Obliterator
            criminals don't wear armor

            It depends on what criminals and what kind of armor. The military with "ceramics" of course not, but aramid is not such a luxury. And for him 9x19 may not be enough.
          2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 1 September 2020 21: 43
            +2
            Quote: Obliterator
            Quote: Ded_Mazay
            The fact that in terms of energy it surpasses 9x18 is understandable, but can it even cope with a simple bulletproof vest?

            Depends on the type of ammunition. But for a police officer, the armor penetration of bullets is much less important, for a military man, since criminals do not wear armor. And an unnecessary penetrating action is fraught with the danger of injury to unauthorized persons.

            For traffic police officers, the defeat of the criminal behind the elements of the car body remains relevant. PM does not always cope with tires of trucks, special equipment and tractors. In their case, the ammunition "armored action with a small ricochet" is required.
            Sincerely, Kitty!
            1. Obliterator
              Obliterator 2 September 2020 21: 10
              +1
              Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
              For traffic police officers, the defeat of the criminal behind the elements of the car body remains relevant. PM does not always cope with tires of trucks, special equipment and tractors. In their case, the ammunition "armored action with a small ricochet" is required.
              Sincerely, Kitty!

              There is such a thing. But I don't mind if the caliber of a police pistol is changed to a more powerful one. By the way, the situation with the traffic police in this matter is twofold - in cases when the gay people use weapons in order to stop the vehicle by damaging it, for example, they are chasing a drunk driver, then they least of all want to injure someone.
              Yours!
              1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Kote Pan Kokhanka 3 September 2020 04: 24
                0
                Quote: Obliterator
                Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                For traffic police officers, the defeat of the criminal behind the elements of the car body remains relevant. PM does not always cope with tires of trucks, special equipment and tractors. In their case, the ammunition "armored action with a small ricochet" is required.
                Sincerely, Kitty!

                There is such a thing. But I don't mind if the caliber of a police pistol is changed to a more powerful one. By the way, the situation with the traffic police in this matter is twofold - in cases when the gay people use weapons in order to stop the vehicle by damaging it, for example, they are chasing a drunk driver, then they least of all want to injure someone.
                Yours!

                In other words, in DPS there is a need to have something with a longer aiming line, more ammunition and two forks of ammunition.
                Moreover, it should be for constant wearing.
                Yours faithfully,
        2. Tank hard
          Tank hard 14 August 2020 21: 28
          0
          Quote: Ded_Mazay
          The fact that in terms of energy it surpasses 9x18 is understandable, but can it even cope with a simple bulletproof vest?

          Regarding body armor .. Some have such a rule (recommendation) of using a pistol. Three rounds. Two in the chest (body), one in the head. But the amount of ammunition in the store does matter. repeat
    2. Out
      Out 14 August 2020 14: 21
      +2
      It seems to me that 6.35 may be enough for a person, this is a pistol not for hunting a bear or wild boar.
      1. Ded_Mazay
        Ded_Mazay 14 August 2020 14: 30
        +1
        Quote: Out
        It seems to me that 6.35 is enough for a person
        Enough is enough, only the notorious "stopping effect" to hell ...
        1. Out
          Out 14 August 2020 16: 33
          +2
          Then 9 * 19 is fine, why more? And the choice of ammunition is huge and due to the massiveness, the price is lower, and it makes no sense to make an anti-tank gun from a pistol.
          1. Ded_Mazay
            Ded_Mazay 14 August 2020 17: 00
            0
            Quote: Out
            make an anti-tank gun from a pistol

            And no one offers. It is enough that the armor of the 2nd class of protection would be taken, since the beyond-barrier action of 9x19 may not be enough.
            1. Out
              Out 14 August 2020 21: 43
              +1
              2nd class is protection against a 7.62 * 25 bullet with a steel core and bullets fired from PSM?
  10. Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 14 August 2020 13: 21
    -4
    Quote: ROSS 42
    The declared firing range is 50 meters


    The declared firing range is 50 meters


    It is not suitable for the army in its parameters, such a pistol from 20 meters will not pierce a leather jacket. Non-lethal / stopping pistol specially designed to maintain order.
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      1. Senka naughty
        Senka naughty 14 August 2020 15: 09
        +1
        Keeping order with pistols is the lot of cretins.

        How many herbivores of you have bred since August 9, like toadstools after a rain. Fortunately, nothing sensible from you and harmful at the same time. Some insults that characterize you.
    2. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
      Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 14 August 2020 21: 40
      +1
      "Such a gun will not pierce a leather jacket from 20 meters." Well, on this occasion, claims to the author of the article, who missed the word "sighting". An aiming range of 50 meters is quite normal for a pistol, and from 20 meters with such a cartridge and barrel length, this pistol will pierce a person through and through.
  11. nnz226
    nnz226 14 August 2020 13: 40
    0
    PM is already outdated so that it is a shame for the police, and 8 rounds are not ice ...
    1. Vladycat
      Vladycat 14 August 2020 13: 49
      +4
      How is it obsolete? And in order to fulfill the duties assigned to him, he meets the requirements of reality. And what about the cartridges. So it is not designed for long-term fire contact. For what one of the specialists said, this is the best weapon for frequent wearing and rare use. Which is ideal for patrol and escort services, for example. I'm not sure if the new samples are designed for frequent assembly, disassembly, cleaning and practice shooting. Moreover, this workhorse is not kept in warehouses waiting for "h" time. This pistol is obtained and constantly used in various climatic conditions. And here are the new inverters we receive. Here are more claims to them.
    2. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 14 August 2020 15: 47
      +3
      If you are ashamed of the PM, cry about a much older 1911 Colt))) Here it is outdated, but still actively used. PM will live even longer. It's just a gun for those who know how to shoot. Who has arms out of their shoulders.
    3. Tank hard
      Tank hard 14 August 2020 21: 46
      0
      Quote: nnz226
      PM is already outdated so that it is a shame for the police, and 8 rounds are not ice ...

      Why would? It's just that each "device" should be used in its own niche, the same PM, compact, reliable, suitable for discreet wearing, i.e. a very worthy tool for its purposes. Another thing is that the goals are different. According to some experts, at short distances up to 25 meters, on sharply rugged terrain, in buildings, etc., in general, a 12-gauge multiply shotgun loaded with buckshot "rules", here it (they say) surpasses submachine guns in regard to body armor , including. Again, it depends on how and where to use, dimensions and so on. request
  12. Berg berg
    Berg berg 14 August 2020 13: 40
    -5
    What is this declared shooting with a range of 50 meters !? In short, they will be killed, but they only scare! Well, that would give out the scarecrows with crackers!
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 14 August 2020 13: 55
      +2
      Quote: Berg Berg
      What is this declared shooting with a range of 50 meters !? In short, they will be killed, but they only scare! Well, that would give out the scarecrows with crackers!

      This is the police - they have a usual firing range of 3-10 meters. It is already dangerous to shoot further, you can hurt bystanders. A gunfight with pistols at a distance of over 50 m is generally beyond the bounds. I met the data that in the USA 70 meters is the average firing range of a police officer sniper.
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      1. Berg berg
        Berg berg 14 August 2020 14: 05
        -1
        Whoever does not like the Russian police, the Bandera will come to those! I see many here dreaming about it! He himself has long been retired and has never had any problems either from the police or from the police. It can be seen to shit - shit and sticks!
    3. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 14 August 2020 15: 49
      +2
      Shoot 50 meters in the city, we will laugh. The standard distance for police shootings in the city is 7 to 12 meters, as the mattresses say. And after all, they are not mistaken, which is interesting laughing
    4. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
      Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 14 August 2020 21: 44
      0
      This is only about the aiming range. Claims to the author of the article.
    5. Tank hard
      Tank hard 14 August 2020 21: 49
      0
      Quote: Berg Berg
      What is this declared shooting with a range of 50 meters !? In short, they will be killed, and they only scare

      Have you ever fired a pistol at all? The question is rhetorical. The shooter will not write this. repeat
  13. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 14 August 2020 13: 57
    +1
    Created and adopted for service are two different things. A weapon may be unique, but displaying at an exhibition does not always decide its future fate.
  14. Roman246810
    Roman246810 14 August 2020 14: 00
    -9
    And from the old, they no longer managed to smack at us or what?)
    1. Berg berg
      Berg berg 14 August 2020 14: 08
      +2
      Apparently more than one trip has already been made and often people robbed in the streets, since they were smacking at you?
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        1. Berg berg
          Berg berg 14 August 2020 15: 06
          +2
          Well, if your relatives served in the SS, then for you the policemen and there is no difference! And in ours are ordinary citizens of Russia!
  15. Dikson
    Dikson 14 August 2020 15: 05
    +1
    I wonder if it can be disassembled in 3 seconds, like a PM?
  16. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 14 August 2020 15: 43
    +4
    The other day, in an article about "Vintorez-M" there was an opinion, and not only mine, that the Picattini plank had already become some kind of fetish. They pop anywhere and there would be an opportunity, the current designers have screwed it on ..y. It's fashionable. Well, what kind of pistol for "operative or concealed carrying by employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the National Guard" can be so angular? Horse. The designers, as I understand it, have never tried to quickly remove a pistol from an operational holster or from a pocket. Until you pull out this squalor, you yourself will turn into a sieve. For "operational or hidden wearing by employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Rosgvardia", PM and PSM are most suitable, but there is already a question for PM in the capacity of the store, for PSM also in caliber.
    1. Crane
      Crane 14 August 2020 19: 00
      0
      quickly remove the pistol from the operative holster
      ========
      There is a type of kabour, which themselves push the pistol into the hand. I saw the waist, I will not say for the axillaries.
  17. Svidetel 45
    Svidetel 45 14 August 2020 15: 58
    +3
    I do not know how it is in terms of its combat characteristics, but from the point of view of ergonomics, aesthetics - brick is brick, however, like all models of recent times, compared to pistols of the beginning and middle of the century, Parabellum, Colt 1911, Walther 08, Browning High Power, or at least our Makarov - these are really beautiful pistols, perfect design, and they ask for hands
  18. Shilka
    Shilka 14 August 2020 17: 22
    +4
    The pistol is certainly a good one ... But we must not forget about the legendary ones from the one kind of which the contra scattered and fell on their faces ..! soldier
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 14 August 2020 21: 54
      0
      Quote: Shilka
      But we must not forget about the legendary ones from the one kind of which the contra scattered and fell prostrate ..

      Yes, no one there scattered at the sight of him, moreover, he had a number of shortcomings. Otherwise, it would have been put into service, but the "revolver" and then the TT were adopted. wink
  19. senima56
    senima56 14 August 2020 17: 43
    +1
    Great, long-awaited news! good Well done! drinks It's like the "little brother" of "Boa constrictor"! As if "Boa constrictor" K! (Similar to PL-15 and PL-15K)! But the name "Poloz" is also good! Kozlov and Lebedev State Prizes !!! drinks
    An interesting pistol. Now we are waiting for the first responses from the shooters! Give it to Georgy Gubich - he is an excellent specialist!
    1. Shilka
      Shilka 14 August 2020 19: 52
      -1
      Quote: senima56
      An interesting pistol. Now we are waiting for the first responses from the shooters! Give it to Georgy Gubich - he is an excellent specialist!

      Maybe give it to specialists in the Caucasus and test it in battle against devils first? .. Or in Syria, where is the sand and the heat? That's when we'll talk .. We in Russia need simplicity and reliability. And not analogues of Western plastic otrygons, etc. Our bet is the life of fighters going death, looking in the eyes and the pistol must be reliable and simple .. So we survived and survive!
      1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
        Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 14 August 2020 21: 49
        +1
        Not quite a correct sentence. Both in the Caucasus and in Syria, the native Kalash is preferable, and a pistol there is a weapon of self-defense or a last chance.
      2. senima56
        senima56 15 August 2020 14: 39
        0
        Of course, he will get to Syria and the Caucasus first of all! But what and how it will go there, if we find out, will not soon. And Zhora Gubich is a master of international class, a public person, and maintains his blog. True, he works at Kalashnikov, but he is a very authoritative and knowledgeable specialist.
        Well, if anything, you can trust Konstantin Lazarev with this topic.
  20. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 14 August 2020 23: 19
    0
    Pistol "Poloz", and who is the author-designer? - here is the "Boa constrictor" designer Ivan Kozlov - PC.
    1. senima56
      senima56 15 August 2020 14: 40
      0
      I am almost 100% sure that the author is the same - Ivan Kozlov. good
  21. Dzungar
    Dzungar 15 August 2020 00: 26
    -2
    So this is PM ..! Slightly modified .....
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  23. Zomanus
    Zomanus 16 August 2020 09: 49
    0
    It is very similar to the Glock and it pleases, especially if it is close on the inside.
    There will be a simple and reliable pistol.
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 16 August 2020 09: 53
      0
      Specifically for the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Rosgvardia, it was easier to buy Glock with the localization of production at home. Otherwise, this short-barreled leapfrog will never end.
  24. saygon66
    saygon66 16 August 2020 20: 59
    0
    - Are there photographs confirming modularity? I have not found...
    - The frame looks monolithic, and there are no such photos according to the "Boa". Replaceable pads? Or is it a replaceable frame like the Pfe'hf 320?
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 16 August 2020 21: 19
      0
      - Sorry wildly - Sauer 320!
  25. Alexfly
    Alexfly 17 August 2020 12: 00
    0
    Civilian market? To begin with, they would simplify the rules for sports shooters and shooting enthusiasts ... And people would reach out to shooting ranges, they would do business, not chat ...