"Friday Lovers Club": Belarus in orange

Under the heading "Friday Fans Club", "Military Review" presents material that cannot but ignore the Belarusian theme and the geopolitical processes of today in general.

Let's start with the obvious: all progressive humanity represented by Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine and Mike Pompeo has already taken the side of the Belarusian people. The US Secretary of State is going to impose incinerating sanctions against Minsk, if Lukashenka does not change his mind and does not admit that he will not get rid of Crimea by Russian alone. The sanctions can hit the Belarusian oil refining industry, which has already walked the direct path of democratization to get oil of freedom from the ports of the United States. Now this industry will not be able to get rid of the hated cheap Russian hydrocarbons.

In the US Democratic Party, trying to support the striving of the Belarusian people to get rid of the dictatorship, they are already learning Viktor Tsoi's song “Change”.

In the near future, as informed sources say with all their might, the world will learn even more truth about the Minsk dictatorship. And according to the tradition of all defenders of human rights, a 10-year-old schoolgirl can imagine her, who in pure English will tell the planet about the terrible pictures she saw with her own eyes - “how the soldiers of the regime broke into maternity hospitals and removed newborn babies from the boxes, which reigns in the administration of President Lukashenko terrifying racism, since there is not a single black person. " Hear! - No one. Incredible ...

Human rights defenders traditionally have to find the daughter of the ambassador of Kuwait in Belarus, so that this narration has someone to embody ...

The workers of a number of Belarusian enterprises are already unbearable. Indeed, how long can you work at a state enterprise with a secured tomorrow. It is high time to put the enterprises on the joyful and bright path of privatization. With subsequent optimization.

BelAZ is, of course, a relic of the dark Soviet past. It is not democratic to assemble mining dump trucks and loaders that are in demand in Russia and throughout the CIS. We must strive closer to Europe. Screwdriver assembly of German cars - this is a technological breakthrough for a Belarusian enterprise!

In such a situation, Alexander Lukashenko, of course, has only to buy tickets for the next flights to Rostov, Pyongyang and at the same time to Caracas. The President of Slovenia is already preparing to set a new date for the elections in Belarus, and the Prime Minister of the Czech Republic is looking for a Belarusian embroidered shirt in the shop of the Prague-6 municipality and is learning "LIVE Bel-la-Rus!"

And - yes, how long can you tolerate the arbitrariness of the Belarusian police. They beat people with metal fittings and stones in their hands, horror, with rubber truncheons! The American and French policemen are, of course, shocked by this - imagine ... rubber truncheons on living people! ..

They crush protesters with police cars. What? Is it in the USA? Ah ... well, there are wrong protesters, because the actions of the police are fully justified ...

It is good that Belarus always has a reliable neighbor and helper. Ukraine. And you thought, who? .. It is there that they know how you can gain overcoming after overcoming, without using reason. This is where you will always find an extra can of orange paint. So that Belarus will certainly be in orange.

Well, if not seriously on Friday, then the conversation should be translated in the direction of the topic that any ruler should be aware of the limit of being in power and timely willingness to at least find a worthy successor. Otherwise, the CEC will work oh how difficult ... even in the case of real support of the main candidate from the majority of the population.

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[sergo1914]

In our government, too, not a single coal ...

[Uncle lee]

any ruler must be aware of the limit of being in power

This is the main thing! And everything else, albeit talented, is a lyrical digression.

[rocket757]

Quote: Uncle Lee

any ruler must be aware of the limit of being in power

This is the main thing! And everything else, albeit talented, is a lyrical digression.

It's strange. As I used to consider the most important ... what the ruler did for the country, and not everything else, beautiful, lyrical, but empty in content and meaning.

[bald]

Hi Victor, we haven't communicated for a long time - your opinion on Belarus

[rocket757]

Hi Vladimir
Yes, everything has already been stated .... people themselves must choose their own path! but very well must remember, think about the consequences.
the old / new president about the consequences, as if he had not thought at all and for a very long time.

[bald]

Vit, people are dull.

[rocket757]

There is such a thing. They stubbornly make CONSUMERS out of us .... but he doesn't need to think too much, they will prompt him, let him down, one might say they will give him in his hands! All that remains is to put a squiggle where they will indicate EVERYTHING!
they are not like that, life is like that!

[bald]

Hello Victor. I don’t respect Lukashenka, but in this situation I’ll even take up the barrel for him - Ukraine has been pissed off - that's enough - these intrigues of America got bogged down - through them, we have to stop it.

[rocket757]

Hi
I don’t want to get another uk / r / opium nearby, it’s dangerous, but the old / new president will do just that, in the end. No options. Even a personal crisis does not teach such people anything.
Smart people learn from other people's mistakes, and there are plenty of examples under his nose.

[bald]

Thank you, respect, on the same wavelength.

[Mikhail3]

Quote: rocket757

people must choose their own path! but very well must remember, think about the consequences.

How correct! And there is a way - you don't like this country - go to the one you like! A country to build and maintain is incredibly difficult. If you want to participate in its management, you need, if not joking, much more than throwing a bill into the trash can. At the very least, Heinlein's proposal must pass - if you want to participate in governing the country - prove it with a deed, and not a small one. Risk your life, seriously, more than once. This will prove that your opinion is worth considering.
Alas, people who THAT value the right to vote are very difficult to manipulate, so no one wants to follow the Heinline idea. But it can be done differently. So, in Belarus they believe that they have the right to destroy this country in order to create a "better" one. No problem. Prove. Let the Belarusian security forces start shooting. Since the protesters are not even a tenth of the population (and not a hundredth. And even less), 99 out of a hundred should be shot. And those who survived already have the right to change something.
Everything else is stupid clownery ...

[Svarog]

Quote: Uncle Lee

any ruler must be aware of the limit of being in power

This is the main thing! And everything else, albeit talented, is a lyrical digression.

In my opinion, the main thing is the result. There is a result, people live better, key areas are developing, the population is increasing .. Great, rule at least for life .. but prepare the receiver .. But there is no result, give the opportunity to others. This is patriotism, when state interests are above personal ones ..

[Egoza]

Quote: Svarog

This is patriotism, when state interests are above personal ones ..

Oooh ... This is to Comrade. I.V. Stalin. Forgive me, but I don’t remember those after him.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Svarog

Excellent, rule at least for life.

So, on the issue of monarchy, our thoughts began to converge!
But seriously, you and Victor are right, the main thing is the result of the reign, not the time at the helm.

[Svarog]

Quote: Ingvar 72

So, on the issue of monarchy, our thoughts began to converge!

Why the monarchy even under socialism history knows examples, Stalin, for example, did so much in 29 years that the current reformers will not be able to master it even in 1000. Even if the monarch professed the ideology of the socialists, I would still be against it. Because the transfer of power by inheritance is a big risk, a stupid weak-willed person can come to power and then everything is gone. In general, the transfer of power, its methods and mechanisms is an interesting topic .. In theory, everyone should start from the result and it would be good to write it in the Constitution, but in practice the Constitution is easily altered, despite the dull results of twenty years of rule.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Svarog

In theory, everyone should start from the result.

This is a responsibility, buddy, and they will never do it. This will be their verdict.

[Svarog]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Svarog

In theory, everyone should start from the result.

This is a responsibility, buddy, and they will never do it. This will be their verdict.

I do not agree, for the thousand-year history the sentence was passed in fact only to Nikolai ||. And there have been many untalented people in history for a thousand years. Of the entire galaxy of Grozny, Catherine, Peter, perhaps, were useful. A very low indicator of efficiency, and this is given the fact that in fact the monarchs used the results of the almost free labor of the peasants. In our rapidly changing world, this will lead to a fiasco)) Although if the monarch is a socialist, you can look, but on the condition that every 5 years the results of his activities will be assessed and if they are not there, then with a broom under the tail)))

[Matroskin]

Quote: Svarog

socialist monarch

Even sounds strange like a herbivorous wolf

[cost]

Matroskin (Sergey)

Quote: Svarog
socialist monarch

Even sounds strange like a herbivorous wolf

Life and not such surprises
There was such a French Marshal Jean-Batiste Jules Bernadotte, a participant in the revolutionary and Napoleonic wars, better known later as the King of Sweden Carl XIV Johan

Karl XIV Johan died on March 8, 1844, at the age of 81. It is believed that while preparing the monarch's body for embalming by his entourage, a text tattoo in French was found on his arm, which read: “Vive la République! Mort aux rois! " ("Long live the republic! Death to the kings!" [10]

[Matroskin]

Um ... with all due respect. Bourgeois revolutions are not socialist. Now, if Nicholas II or Kaiser Willy had tattoos "All power to the Soviets!", It would be funny.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Svarog

Of the entire galaxy of Grozny, Catherine, Peter, perhaps, were useful.

About how. Think narrowly. Give you a cool reformer.
During the reign of Ivan III, the territorial core of a unified Russian state was formed, and the formation of the central state apparatus began.
He annexed Yaroslavl (1463), Novgorod (1478), Tver (1485), Vyatka, Perm and others. Under him, the Mongol-Tatar yoke was overthrown ("standing on the Ugra" in 1480), the Code of Law of 1497 was drawn up, a large construction was launched in Moscow , the international prestige of the Russian state grew, the title was issued - the Grand Duke of "All Russia".

Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov (12.07.1596 - 12.07.1645 +) - consolidated the country after the Time of Troubles
Fedor Alekseevich (30.05.1661/27.04.1682/1682 - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX +) - Household taxation was introduced, in XNUMX localism was destroyed; the unification of the Left-Bank Ukraine with Russia is finally consolidated

Alexei Mikhailovich Romanov Quiet (1645-1676) - the central government strengthened and serfdom took shape (Cathedral Code of 1649); Ukraine was reunited with the Russian state (1654), Smolensk, Seversk land and others were returned; uprisings in Moscow, Novgorod, Pskov (1648, 1650, 1662) and the Peasant War of 1670-71 were suppressed

Elizaveta Petrovna (1741-1761) -In her reign, significant successes were achieved in the development of the economy, culture of Russia and in foreign policy, which was facilitated by the activities of M.V. Lomonosov, P.I. and I.I.Shuvalovykh, A.P. Bestuzhev-Ryumin and others.

Alexander I Pavlovich (1801-1825) - Waged successful wars with Turkey (1806-1812) and Sweden (1808-1809). The war with Sweden ended in the Peace of Friedrichsgam [5 (17) .9.1809 in Friedrichsgam, now Hamina, Finland], according to which Russia annexed the territory of Finland to the Torneo River and the Aland Islands as a Grand Duchy. Under Alexander I, the territories of Eastern Georgia (1801), Bessarabia (1812), Azerbaijan (1813), the former Duchy of Warsaw (1815) were annexed to Russia.
After the Patriotic War of 1812, he headed in 1813-14. anti-French coalition of European powers. Was one of the leaders of the Vienna Congress of 1814-1815 and organizers of the Holy Alliance


Alexander II - Carried out the abolition of serfdom and then carried out a number of reforms (zemstvo, judicial, military, etc.). After the Polish uprising of 1863-64, he switched to a reactionary internal political course. Repressions against revolutionaries have intensified since the late 70s.

During the reign of Alexander II, the annexation of the territories of the Caucasus (1864), Kazakhstan (1865), most of Central Asia (1865-1881) was completed. In 1867, Alaska was sold to the United States of America. In order to strengthen its influence in the Balkans and help the national liberation movement of the Slavic peoples, Russia participated in the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878.
Maybe they were not outstanding personalities, although defeating Napoleon is like winning the Great Patriotic War, but under them the state expanded and not degraded

[rocket757]

The age range is an objective limitation, but there are also grandfathers with a bright head, as well as stupid people at any age. As for the rest of the human, working qualities, each case must be considered individually.

[BecmepH]

Quote: Uncle Lee

any ruler must be aware of the limit of being in power

This is the main thing! And everything else, albeit talented, is a lyrical digression.

So 2 chairs began to disperse under Daddy .... Will he tear him, or will he roll over to one of the chairs?
"That is the question!" (C)

[TriA]

Here it is not a matter of dad, but of whose sphere of influence Belarus will find itself in. Under the West, under Russia or under China? This is the question.

[BAI]

Under the West, under Russia or under China? This is the question.

Russia must be excluded from here. Belarus is lost for her.

[Sanche]

Quote: BAI

Russia must be excluded from here. Belarus is lost for her.

Not certainly in that way. I would say this: Belarus is lost for Putin's Russia. And so we are brothers, and someday we will be together

[Overlock]

Quote: TriA

Here it is not a matter of dad, but of whose sphere of influence Belarus will find itself in.

who was the first to congratulate? - Chinese! Lukashenka has a special relationship with China. Comrade Xi, just in case, has already invited him for permanent residence

[BecmepH]

Quote: TriA

Here it is not a matter of dad, but of whose sphere of influence Belarus will find itself in. Under the West, under Russia or under China? This is the question.

Do you want to say that the president of the state does not decide anything?))) You are funny ...

[Civil]

Quote: sergo1914

In our government, too, not a single coal ...

Why are you kindling ?! Do you want it like in Ukraine 5 years ago? Have other, not certified oligarchs come?

[sergo1914]

Quote: Civil

Quote: sergo1914

In our government, too, not a single coal ...

Why are you kindling ?! Do you want it like in Ukraine 5 years ago? Have other, not certified oligarchs come?

What am I lighting up? What does Ukraine have to do with it? What do the oligarchs have to do with it? Did you read the comment or just follow the template?

[tech3030]

Only many have "black" souls.

[TriA]

Quote: tech3030

Only many have "black" souls.

Do they have souls?

[Victorio]

Let's start with the obvious: everything progressive humanity represented by Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine and Mike Pompeo have already taken the side of the Belarusian people.
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got up, inflamed, indignant. next in line - rejoiced

[Pravodel]

Add to this: after the jubilation, he took care of the sale of Belaz and other enterprises, the closure of the Belarusian nuclear power plant, the dissolution of parliament, the beating and murder of all Russians, at the same time the Jews, so that they would not stick their heads out once again, the Catholicization of all Orthodox Christians, the closure of all Russian schools, the prohibition of Russian colloquial and non-colloquial, mata too, there is nothing to remember in vain Poland, the great and guiding Krajna, the liquidation of hospitals, clinics, progressive people are not sick, etc., etc. That has already been seen many times in the liberated territory. Yes, do not forget about the labor force, to Poland on the plantation, otherwise there is no one there to collect strawberries, raspberries and potatoes ...

[Victorio]

Quote: The Truth

Add to this: after the jubilation, he took care of the sale of Belaz and other enterprises, the closure of the Belarusian nuclear power plant, the dissolution of parliament, the beating and murder of all Russians, at the same time the Jews, so that they would not stick their heads out once again, the Catholicization of all Orthodox Christians, the closure of all Russian schools, the prohibition of Russian colloquial and non-colloquial, mata too, there is nothing to remember in vain Poland, the great and guiding Krajna, the liquidation of hospitals, clinics, progressive people are not sick, etc., etc. That has already been seen many times in the liberated territory. Yes, do not forget about the labor force, to Poland on the plantation, otherwise there is no one there to collect strawberries, raspberries and potatoes ...

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may well be. At one time I was simply stunned by the events of May 2 in Odessa. and now the current laying of flowers by the ambassadors of progressive humanity is a new act of cynicism by the leading part of Western democracy (

[Baloo]

Quote: Victorio

Let's start with the obvious: everything progressive humanity represented by Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine and Mike Pompeo have already taken the side of the Belarusian people.
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got up, inflamed, indignant. next in line - rejoiced

Mrs. Nuland prepares cookies ...

[Artyom Volgin]

Quote: Balu

Mrs. Nuland prepares cookies ...

Nuland's cookies are ready. It remains only to deliver them.

[cost]

Nuland's cookies are ready. It remains only to deliver them

... then the bourgeois were delighted, they wrote the Bad Boy into their bourgeoisie and gave him a whole box of cookies and a barrel of jam (c) Arkady Gaidar

[pereselenec]

Quote: Rich

A box of cookies and a barrel of jam (c) Arkady Gaidar

To complete the picture:

A rather significant character for Soviet children - Malchish-Kibalchish, who was embodied on the screens by Seryozha Ostapenko, became a real youth symbol of resistance to evil bourgeois, showing his courage and staunchness in preserving military secrets. Rambler tells how the actor who played the Malchish-Kibalchish lives now.

Ironically, Sergei Ostapenko, who previously appeared as Alka's Octobrist in the film "Military Secret", having received a higher education in mathematics, went to live with the bourgeois, the fight against whom was led by his hero in the film "The Tale of Boy-Kibalchish." The Soviet child actor moved to Florida (USA), where, in addition to teaching at the University of South Florida, he holds the post of President of Ultrasonic Technologies.

Ostapenko started his own business in 2005, when he invented and patented a new diagnostic system for finding various defects in materials. The company currently manufactures automatic tools and quality control systems to detect flaws in various items.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: pereselenec

Quote: Rich

A box of cookies and a barrel of jam (c) Arkady Gaidar

To complete the picture:

A rather significant character for Soviet children - Malchish-Kibalchish, who was embodied on the screens by Seryozha Ostapenko, became a real youth symbol of resistance to evil bourgeois, showing his courage and staunchness in preserving military secrets. Rambler tells how the actor who played the Malchish-Kibalchish lives now.

Ironically, Sergei Ostapenko, who previously appeared as Alka's Octobrist in the film "Military Secret", having received a higher education in mathematics, went to live with the bourgeois, the fight against whom was led by his hero in the film "The Tale of Boy-Kibalchish." The Soviet child actor moved to Florida (USA), where, in addition to teaching at the University of South Florida, he holds the post of President of Ultrasonic Technologies.

Ostapenko started his own business in 2005, when he invented and patented a new diagnostic system for finding various defects in materials. The company currently manufactures automatic tools and quality control systems to detect flaws in various items.

Well, what complaints about a person? He left where his knowledge is in demand. Like Sikorsky, and many other geniuses that are not needed by their Motherland. I will add that the story of Malchish Kibalchish was sucked out of the thumb to educate the younger generation.

[Antagonist]

Quote: Victorio

got up, inflamed, indignant. next in line - rejoiced

For them, the main thing is that another Russophobic state would appear on the map. And they will do their best to overthrow Lukashenka and plant their own liberal order in the republic (privatization and wild capitalism).

[Artyom Volgin]

Quote: Antagonist

For them, the main thing is that another Russophobic state appears on the map.

And Russia finds itself in a ring of hostile countries. China is not our ally. He is a hidden enemy.

[Overlock]

Quote: Artem Volgin

And Russia finds itself in a ring of hostile countries.

why can't great Russia break this ring? But the ring is made up of the Slavic states of the former USSR

[Fan-fan]

It means that something is wrong with Russia's foreign policy, since the ring of "enemies" is getting bigger and bigger.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Artem Volgin

Quote: Antagonist

For them, the main thing is that another Russophobic state appears on the map.

And Russia finds itself in a ring of hostile countries. China is not our ally. He is a hidden enemy.

If you are not able to exist peacefully with your neighbor, then these are your problems. Call the district police officer. All of Europe lives in peace, we have either diarrhea or scrofula

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Victorio

Let's start with the obvious: all progressive humanity represented by Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine and Mike Pompeo has already taken the side of the Belarusian people.

Vilnius sees no reason to consider Alexander Lukashenko as the legitimate President of Belarus, Lithuanian President Gitanas Nauseda said on August 14 in an interview with Sky News. And this is what to call, such a statement. Lukashenka may call the Lithuanian president the same. This is no longer fiction, but blackmail and meanness.

[TriA]

Quote: tihonmarine

This is no longer fiction, but blackmail and meanness.

Enemies of the Slavs once acted differently?

[Hagen]

Quote: tihonmarine

And this is what to call, such a statement

It can be called simply: the senior boss instructed the mongrels in which direction to bark. The US gave the EU command to kill Luka "as an adult." Now the main question for Lukashenka - did you get it ...? That's the whole multi-vector approach ... Judging by the way they treat our journalists, and in general with people not involved in violations of order, with the illegally detained 33 Chopovs from Russia, Lukashenka today is unable to adequately assess the situation. He didn't understand anything yet. I think Saturday and Sunday will be key. If during these two days Luka is at the helm, then it is possible that he will stay for the entire period ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Hagen

It can be called simply: the senior boss instructed the mongrels in which direction to bark. The US gave the EU command to kill Luka "as an adult."

You're right. The same scenario as in other breakaway limitrophes.

[Overlock]

Quote: Hagen

If during these two days Luka is kept at the helm, then it is possible that he will stay for the entire period ...

in any case will not hold out

[Artyom Volgin]

Quote: tihonmarine

This is no longer fiction, but blackmail and meanness.

Vileness, blackmail, west are synonymous words. These three words always go with each other.

[pereselenec]

Quote: tihonmarine

Lukashenka can also name the Lithuanian president in the same way. This is no longer fiction, but blackmail and meanness.

What prevents Lukasheno's little brother from abandoning contacts and diplomatic connections with spiritless Lithuania, Germany, Poland, Czech Republic, Great Britain and France and only dealing with fraternal LDNR, Transnistria, North Korea, Venezuela and Syria?

[stalkerwalker]

To the author - test ...
After the debates at VO about the latest events in the Republic of Belarus, the assessment of what is happening there, the Republic of Belarus is quite modest ...

[Antagonist]

Quote: stalkerwalker

After the debate at VO

It was interesting to watch how members of the forum, who call themselves oppositionists, change their shoes on the fly. While Lukashenka was “opposing” Russia, he was an idol for them. Today, when the West said that Lukashenka was bad, they immediately began to call him a dictator and talk about the massive violation of human rights in Belarus, and about the illegal use of force by law enforcement agencies against "peaceful" demonstrators. Lenin correctly characterized such "oppositionists" as political women of easy virtue.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Antagonist

It was interesting to see how members of the forum who call themselves oppositionists change their shoes on the fly

It would be interesting if not sad. And even very ...
The same picture was observed here in the fall of 2013, when the Ukrainian members of the forum "sharply" grew wiser and began to drown against Yanukovych. And everyone, both Russians and Belarusians, tried to reason with the deranged children ...
7 years have passed (sacred number), and everything is new ...
But the local "ass positioners", who see the root of all their troubles in the personality of the President of the Russian Federation, have not gone anywhere.
Practice shows that today's dissatisfied "patriots" are easily and quickly recruited into the ranks of fighters for "Freedom, Equality and Brotherhood", but on the terms set by the financial circles calling for these freedoms.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: stalkerwalker

are quickly recruited into the ranks of the fighters for "Freedom, Equality and Brotherhood", but on the terms set forth by financial circles calling for these freedoms.

Business and nothing personal. (For dollars only).

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Antagonist

he was an idol for them. Today, when the West said that Lukashenka was bad, they immediately began to call him a dictator and talk about massive violations of human rights in Belarus.

The opposition with left-wing views did not change their opinions. so it is not worth one size fits all.
In addition, I support Lukashenko (as Olezhek Egorov says, I am on Batka's salary ), with both hands for the change of power in our country. Let me explain - in Belarus there is state capitalism with a social orientation. We have the wildest oligarchic capitalism, with a touch of feudalism. Here many and often accused the daddy of milking the Russian Federation, absolutely not understanding the essence. Lukashenka has no palaces in London, as well as no oligarchs in power. He invests all his money in Belarus. Unlike our powers that be. Preserved the industry, revived the village, without trying to replace the "unprofitable" cows with the export of palm oil. Much more can be enumerated by comparing the merits of the leaders of our states (the country is one, like the people), but all these comparisons will be in favor of Lukashenka.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ingvar 72

revived the village without trying to replace the "unprofitable" cows with palm oil exports.

Oh, how right you are, but on the downside I realized that palm milk is liked by every third person. Oh, how now they will pounce on me.

[Hagen]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Lukashenka has no palaces in London

But even their own, Belarusians, estimate his fortune at 8-12 billion greens. Can you refute?

Quote: Ingvar 72

Preserved industry

The entire industry is exclusively Russian. If Russia stops buying, the entire industry of Belarus will die.

Quote: Ingvar 72

not trying to replace "unprofitable" cows with palm oil exports

"..... Recently, this news spread over the Internet:
"In 2018, the Minsk Margarine Plant will purchase 600 thousand tons of palm oil."
By the way, the whole huge Russia bought about 2018 million tons of this product in 1 ..... "
So all lovers of Belarusian milk are cracking with it the same simple "palm" in no less volumes than in Russian. You, apparently, write not according to real facts, but according to emotional impressions.

Quote: Ingvar 72

all these comparisons will be in favor of Lukashenka.

Not a fact at all. And even more ....

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Hagen

But even their own, Belarusians, estimate his fortune at 8-12 billion greens. Can you refute?

What for? You assert and accuse, you do not bother to voice the facts. Navalny is an example to you.

Quote: Hagen

The entire industry is exclusively Russian. If Russia stops buying, the entire industry of Belarus will die.

A double-edged sword. It's just that it's not customary for us to consider the other side thereof.

Quote: Hagen

"In 2018, the Minsk Margarine Plant will purchase 600 thousand tons of palm oil."
By the way, the whole huge Russia bought about 2018 million tons of this product in 1 ..... "

Can I have a link? And that is the first time I hear this news from you. And the Russian Federation purchased not about, but MORE than a million tons of palm oil.

Not a fact at all. And even more ...

Let's go over the numbers?

[Hagen]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Let's go over the numbers?

Do you have a ban on Yandex? I’m not saying that everything that I have given has documentary evidence. I'm talking about the fact that there is such information .... That is why I ask - "can you refute?

Quote: Ingvar 72

Double-edged stick.

I agree. And it was the same with Ukraine. But this is not at all a confirmation of the thesis of "preserving industry." Rather, Russia by its purchases (including "political" purchases) keeps the Belarusian industry in a half-dead state.

Quote: Ingvar 72

Otherwise I hear this news from you for the first time

Everything happens for the first time In the Russian Federation, palm is consumed approximately within the limits of European consumption. I think that this is a lot. The accepted requirements for product labeling on the availability of milk fat substitutes and some other measures began to show a tendency towards a decrease in the share of the use of "palm" in food products in Russia. Not everything is so depressing in our country as you write. Although we still have to work and work up to the desired level. You can't argue here ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Hagen

I'm talking about the fact that there is such information ...

What information? What is where and how? Have you been banned by your own mind?

Quote: Hagen

Rather, Russia by its purchases (including "political" purchases) keeps the Belarusian industry in a half-dead state.

And the Chinese economy is awesome! To say why products from Belarus and Kazakhstan are used in Russia? Can't stop talking yourself? Poor to compare prices and quality?

Quote: Hagen

In the Russian Federation, palm is consumed approximately within the limits of European consumption.

Mamontov's investigation to help you, with numbers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaCIT4ttSrg

[Hagen]

Quote: Ingvar 72

What information? What is where and how? Are you banned by your own mind?

What information do you have? Has Lukashenka personally reported to you that he has no palace? Maybe for you Lukashenka is the ideal leader of his country, I do not share this opinion. And an ally of him useless. It's just that his other opponents are even worse. But he himself created this situevina ...

Quote: Ingvar 72

To say why products from Belarus and Kazakhstan are used in Russia? Can't stop talking yourself? Poor to compare prices and quality?

You will read how the price of goods of a foreign state in retail trade is formed, at the same time ask which of our goods are prohibited from being imported into Belarus, what agreements exist between our countries and how they are carried out by us and them, and you will have no illusions about this. You will start to "tumble" in the field of international trade. There are many interesting things, believe me.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Hagen

Has Lukashenka personally reported to you that he has no palace?

In London? Or where? Behind the hillock he has no palaces, otherwise the Pendos have turned everything inside out long ago. In Belarus? There is, as it should be at the head of state. As well as airplanes, helicopters, and a luxurious fleet of vehicles. This is the head of state.

Quote: Hagen

ask at the same time

If we now begin to "shovel" the terms of intergovernmental agreements and the EAEU agreement, I can easily prove to you that Lukashenko is right in all the letters of these agreements. This happened here a few months ago. Interesting - dig into my comment history.

[Artyom Volgin]

Quote: Ingvar 72

The opposition with left-wing views did not change their opinions.

There are some on the site who position themselves as leftists who have changed their rhetoric towards Lukashenka. Or are they ordinary trolls hiding under the guise of leftist forces?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Artem Volgin

there are some,

You can position yourself with anyone, but today I watched the interview of Uncle Zyu, and despite the fact that I considered him a rolling stone, essentially what was said about Belarus, I agree with him. do not be lazy to look. No running over. As a monarchist, I tell you this.
In general, people tend to change their views. And even more so on the Internet. Sometimes for money, sometimes, in case of exclusion, by conviction.

[Artyom Volgin]

Quote: Ingvar 72

In general, people tend to change their views.

Inherently. But the question arises, maybe they were not leftist views? Here are the links to the situation in Belarus from the AUCPB and the RCWP, in my opinion they are the real left-wing parties.
http://vkpb.ru/lenta-novostej/746-proigravshie-natsisty-pytayutsya-organizovat-v-belorussii-myatezh.html
https://rkrp-rpk.ru/2020/08/14/не-допустить-развития-белорусского-м/
https://rkrp-rpk.ru/2020/08/13/о-событиях-в-белоруссии/

Quote: Ingvar 72

As a monarchist, I tell you this.

We will not understand each other.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Artem Volgin

We will not understand each other.

Do not think in a formulaic way. Mountain and mountain will not converge, but people can. I agree with almost all ratings in your links.

[pereselenec]

Quote: Antagonist

It was interesting to watch how members of the forum, who call themselves oppositionists, change their shoes on the fly. While Lukashenko was "opposing" Russia, he was an idol for them. Today, when the West said that Lukashenka was bad, they immediately began to call him a dictator and talk about the massive violation of human rights in Belarus, and about the illegal use of force by law enforcement agencies against "peaceful" demonstrators.

Rather, changing shoes of a different kind: the evil dad who arrested the Wagnerites turned into a swirly anti-Maidan brother.

Quote: Antagonist

Lenin correctly characterized such "oppositionists" as political women of easy virtue.

Lenin, by the way, was, too, a pan-head Maidanist who arranged for the money of the German General Staff (then the State Department), it's scary to think - Maidan in Russia!

[avia12005]

The governments and parliaments of Europe and the USA from the Belarusian horror ...

[bulava]

They have been "terrified" since 1994, but "the dog barks - the caravan moves on."

[Artyom Volgin]

Quote: bulava

They have been "terrified" since 1994

They are afraid of the unification of the Slavs

[pereselenec]

Quote: Artem Volgin

Quote: bulava

They have been "terrified" since 1994

They are afraid of the unification of the Slavs

[tihonmarine]

Quote: avia12005

The governments and parliaments of Europe and the USA from the Belarusian horror ...

And from the French, and especially from the US "the life of the black is more important than the life of the white", it is certainly not horror.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: avia12005

The governments and parliaments of Europe and the USA from the Belarusian horror ...

You are right, they have everything that is horrible in the East, but what was happening with them from 1938 to 1945 was not horror, but manna from heaven.

[Artyom Volgin]

Quote: tihonmarine

everything in the East is horror

Nobody canceled the East-West confrontation. But so far the "West" is winning. The unknown awaits us in the future. The one who offers the world a new idea (ideology) can win this confrontation.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Artem Volgin

who will offer the world a new idea (ideology).

I would like, and you, too, to know which one. But in this world there was one ideology that replaced capitalism. But she, over time, lost ground, just like the Great French Revolution. I think the people were not ready for the revolution. Time will pass and a new formation will take over with new strength and spirit. Well, that cannot live that should not live, exist and exploit the people. Well, the world must free itself from the dominance of capital.

[vvvjak]

If anyone is having fun, you can laugh with the author of the article. Only here we, Belarusians, are not funny for a long time.

even in the case of real support of the main candidate from the majority of the population.

And where did you see the real support of the main candidate, only on the basis of the "tsiferk" which he drew with the help of the administrative resource.

[Alexga]

Support is 80 percent, so it's okay.

[vvvjak]

Quote: AlexGa

Support is 80 percent, so it's okay.

“The presidential elections are underway in the United States and they can’t count the votes: how much is for Clinton, how much is for Trump? The American CEC decides to ask Lukashenka to send his accountant Yarmoshin.
“America is our friend,” Lukashenka replied, “therefore, I’ll send Yarmoshin.
Yarmoshyna spent two hours in America, after which she reported to the American CEC chairman:
“According to my honest count of the ballots for Clinton and Trump, Lukashenka won with 83,5% of the vote."
A joke with a "beard", but has not lost its relevance.

[Alexga]

You can humor endlessly, that's your right. But there is the result of the vote, it is undeniable. Of course, let's wait for a couple of actions. CEC to announce the final result.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: AlexGa

But there is the result of the vote, it is undeniable. Of course, let's wait for a couple of actions. CEC to announce the final result.

Something like that happened in Russia during the Yeltsin elections in 97, and in Ukraine when Yushchenko "won".

[Alexga]

No, everything is somewhat different here. After Luka's opponents started their campaign only "anyone, but not him", those people who did not go to the polls at all went to vote for Lukashenko. Human logic calls for voting for something, not just against. It is clear that not everyone is inclined to analyze and to predict further events, so these 20% showed up in the results.

[Antagonist]

It is clear to everyone, except for representatives of the Westernizers, that Lukashenka won. Let them prove the opposite, not in words, but in concrete evidence.

[Alexga]

That's why they turned on the "crowd effect". Because they cannot prove it in other ways. And listening to the screams from abroad, you generally come to the conclusion that the Belarusian elections are not at all the main thing.

[TriA]

Quote: Antagonist

Let them prove the opposite, not in words, but in concrete evidence.

They have no proof. They only have unfounded statements.

[vvvjak]

Quote: AlexGa

You can humor endlessly, that's your right. But there is the result of the vote, it is undeniable. Of course, let's wait for a couple of actions. CEC to announce the final result.

Maybe a fake, but if not. Need to check? Or we will continue to unconditionally trust Yarmoshyna's words. There are thousands of similar photos in the net.

[Alexga]

I have been observing these creations since the age of 18, so there is no need to provide links to this Polish scum.

[vvvjak]

It means that Yarmoshyna's "drawings" are the ultimate truth and cannot be discussed, and all the other photos, videos, and even eyewitness accounts are the machinations of the State Department. Very comfortable position. I personally spoke with an observer at an election site, a woman of retirement age. She bluntly said that she had seen 21 people during the preliminary voting. In the final protocol there were more than 200, so bewildered she asked what to do, she could turn to the police. I honestly told her that this procedure is useless, at best they will say that she is an old senile woman. Why I did this, I have already described in the commentary today the procedure for counting votes in Belarus. And again, there are hundreds of such testimonies. By your logic, now I am an agent of influence of the State Department, who for almost 5 years pretended to be a respectable commentator on VO, so that now I would spread fakes among Russian citizens.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: vvvjak

Maybe a fake, but if not. Need to check?

Well, it’s sweet, summer and the Brest boiler room, and someone out of slovenliness burned bulletins in the boiler room, and even underburned, and then again someone accidentally found them. How many of this in his lifetime each of us has met. And all these coincidences can be trusted?

[vvvjak]

Quote: tihonmarine

And all these coincidences can be trusted?

No, of course, we now have so many fakes that our ears just wither. For example, from the latter, that type of brutal beating of people was carried out by special forces of the RF Armed Forces, which secretly arrived in the territory of the Republic of Belarus at the request of the AHL. Even the flyradar data was demonstrated. And for what, and in order to make the people brutal, and here the troops of good Putin are brought in, peace and grace come, a single state, etc. Well, like the situation "Crimea is ours." Well, nobody believes in this nonsense. And about the falsification of elections, there is not just a lot of information, but a lot from different sources, from different witnesses. Moreover, I personally received information from such sources that it is simply impossible not to believe them.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: vvvjak

No, of course, we now have so many fakes that our ears just wither.

The whole west is now working on fakes, brace yourself.

[Hagen]

Quote: vvvjak

There are thousands of similar photos in the net.

Will bring the Poles "green" from the United States - there will be millions of such photos. This is not the question. The question today is whether the US will break Luca or not? Will he guess to adopt some intelligible strategy for the country's development, or will he continue to crawl to the West in the "skin of a dog" so that the GDP is not understood? Will he find the strength to force the Ministry of Internal Affairs to respond to the riots adequately or not? The CEC has already announced its decision. Now it's Lukashenka's turn.

[vvvjak]

Another question is whether Luke will break the people or the people will break Luka. He found the strength to eliminate popular protests, but caused the exact opposite reaction. There are no riots in Belarus, one of the most massive actions took place yesterday, but there was no riot police and everything went surprisingly calmly, without the slightest violations. So we are also waiting for what he will say to the people. They announced that they would make an appeal today - they did not wait.

[Hagen]

Quote: vvvjak

Another question is whether Luke will break the people or the people will break Luka.

Ideally, I would like no one to break anyone. I would like to see a sane agreement. By the way, "..... The Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation stated that 32 Russians detained in Belarus before the presidential elections returned to their country of residence ...." Something already ...

[vvvjak]

Oh, I would like to. But doubts creep in that Luke's sanity is gone. If it's true, I'm happy for the guys. Let's hope that we will free ourselves.

[Overlock]

Quote: vvvjak

They announced that they would make an appeal today - they did not wait.

nothing to say. He does not intend to blame

[Artyom Volgin]

Quote: vvvjak

Maybe a fake, but if not. Need to check?

Check it out. But instead of checking, you started riots.

[vvvjak]

Who arranged it? Have you seen broken shop windows, mage robberies, morodening and vandalism? In peaceful protests with grenades and rubber bullets on the move, and in response for 6 days of protests, only 4 Molotov cocktails, from one neoquat.

[Motorist]

Quote: vvvjak

Maybe a fake, but if not. Need to check?

If you haven't checked - why are you posting here? Maybe you did it without malicious intent, but this action is manipulation: they say, there is such information, if you want - check it.
"With the modern development of printing technology in the West ..." (c).

[Overlock]

Quote: AlexGa

But there is the result of the vote, it is undeniable.

sure?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: vvvjak

A joke with a "beard", but has not lost its relevance.

And what is the essence of the anecdote?

[vvvjak]

The bottom line is that Yarmoshyna will draw any numbers at the elections, regardless of the actual results.

[Pravodel]

Flirting with the West always ends badly for those who flirt: S. Hussein, Libya - Gaddafi, Ukraine - Yanukovych, Egypt, Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, etc., etc. And so for centuries ...
So it turns out that it is necessary to restore the monument to Stalin, who cleared the Union of traitors, liberals, fans of the West before the war. And in the end, we walked through Berlin, and not the Germans with their Western allies in Red Square, our flag fluttered over Berlin, not a German standard over Moscow.

[Victorio]

Quote: vvvjak

If anyone is having fun, you can laugh with the author of the article. Only here we, Belarusians, are not funny for a long time.

even in the case of real support of the main candidate from the majority of the population.

And where did you see the real support of the main candidate, only on the basis of the "tsiferk" which he drew with the help of the administrative resource.

===
naturally, you yourself cannot. You can have a real candidate and real support only under the guidance of Western curators and a candidate like them.

[bulava]

If you are really from Belarus, then here's a question for you. What specifically does not suit you now?
Now the Republic of Bashkortostan is an independent state with a stable economy, low crime rate, good education and medicine, the borders are open (and no one is holding anyone - go even to Poland, even to the Russian Federation). All this is thanks to Lukashenko, who in 1994 took over the ruins - the former republic of the USSR, which nationalists and pro-Western bugs were ready to tear apart. Don't like that it sits for a long time? No continuity? So you have an example of "real Western democracy" at your side, where presidents change like gloves, but what's the point of that? You need to appreciate what you have, work, support your president, and not be led by tempting beautiful pictures from the west. Our Foreign Ministry and special services have already confirmed that the West is behind all these riots, that they are brought in by hundreds of various gopniks, criminals, football fans, professional "navalnits" who provoke the law enforcement forces behind which corrupt liberal journalists run in droves and savor all cases of use of force.

[Antagonist]

Quote: bulava

Our Foreign Ministry and special services have already confirmed that the West is behind all these unrest

One who considers himself an "oppositionist" told me in a private conversation that the situation in Belarus is being worsened by Russia
To all my arguments, he says only one thing, our oligarchs need it, and the West does not need either Belarus or Russia, the West is not our enemy.
These are our "oppositionists".
PS I support the communist parties of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and the RKWP, otherwise they will begin to call me a "scraper".

[bulava]

One who considers himself an "oppositionist" told me in a private conversation that the situation in Belarus is being worsened by Russia

Doubtful. Rather, some "professional liberals" are leaving the Russian Federation, possibly some hooligans, adventurers. We have visa-free travel and freedom. All the same, the main "mouthpieces of democracy" eventually settle in Warsaw or Vilnius, but not in Moscow ...

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Antagonist

I support the communist parties of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and the RKWP, otherwise they will now begin to call me a "scraper".

And how do you manage to do this, proceeding from the opposing opinions of these parties, in matters of the role and place of the party, main tasks, attitudes towards property and methods of struggle for power?

[pro100y.belarus]

Quote: bulava

If you are really from Belarus, then here's a question for you. What specifically does not suit you now?

I will try to answer, although this is useless for a certain category of citizens fooled by propaganda.
In a nutshell - the citizens of Belarus are not satisfied with LIES, VIOLENCE and an old schizophrenic who has gone mad!
Drown for him further and RUSSIA will not suit us either.
I hope I made myself clear.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: pro100y.belarus

in a nutshell - the citizens of Belarus are not satisfied with LIE, VIOLENCE and an old schizophrenic who has gone mad!
Drown for him further and RUSSIA will not suit us either.
I hope I made myself clear.

Is there an embroidery?

So that we don't confuse you with your brothers from Banderostan ...

[pro100y.belarus]

Quote: stalkerwalker

Is there an embroidery?

NEVER wore embroidered shirts. I am a citizen of the Soviet Union, joining the ranks of the Soviet Army, I solemnly swear ... and so on.
I prefer the red-green flag, not "lard-meat-lard" and the current coat of arms of Belarus, and not "Pagonya".
And there are millions like me.
But seeing the attitude of the Russians to the events that have taken place in our country, their DULL infantilism, we will have to repaint ourselves in white-red-white. With SUCH Russia we are not on our way.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: pro100y.belarus

But seeing the attitude of the Russians to the events that have taken place in our country, their DULL infantilism, we will have to repaint ourselves in white-red-white. With SUCH Russia we are not on our way

Do not tear the fart ...

Quote: pro100y.belarus

And there are millions like me.

"... Eaglet, eaglet, fly above the sun ..."

[pro100y.belarus]

Quote: stalkerwalker

Do not tear the fart ...

Don't poke. You are nobody to me, and I can't call you. I hope he explained it clearly, although it would have been clearer to you in person.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: pro100y.belarus

Do not poke

Good...
Take care of Senya's hand ..
It's all right?

[Alexga]

I am a citizen of the Soviet Union, joining the ranks of the Soviet Army, I solemnly swear ...

"I, a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, joining the ranks of the Armed Forces, I take the oath and solemnly swear ..." Somehow I remember so.

With SUCH Russia we are not on our way

And Russia has nothing to do with it. Visit the Museum of the History of the Great Patriotic War in Minsk, and then once again remember the Oath in the USSR Armed Forces.

[pro100y.belarus]

Quote: AlexGa

I am a citizen of the Soviet Union, joining the ranks of the Soviet Army, I solemnly swear ...

"I, a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, joining the ranks of the Armed Forces, I take the oath and solemnly swear ..." Somehow I remember so.

With SUCH Russia we are not on our way

And Russia has nothing to do with it. Visit the Museum of the History of the Great Patriotic War in Minsk, and then once again remember the Oath in the USSR Armed Forces.

Don't find fault with words. The phrase is not accurate (it was a long time ago), but the meaning is clear.
Yes, and I visit museums, but I don't see the logic. Are you talking about some trenches? So this is not for me, but for Rygorych. He is going to fight with you. Our children.

[Alexga]

No, he is not going to fight with me, he is my President and I voted for him. Now the CEC has published the final result - Lukashenka is 80,1 percent.

[pro100y.belarus]

Quote: AlexGa

Lukashenko 80,1 percent.

Okay. okay ... take it easy. I believe it is your president.

[Alexga]

So, it seems, you are worried, you are confusing the words, I was somehow worried, no matter how we live in one state.

[BAI]

With SUCH Russia we are not on our way.

Yes, we have known since 2014 that Belarus is not on the way with the Russian Federation. Recognized Crimea? And you constantly demand all kinds of preferences.

[bulava]

In a nutshell - the citizens of Belarus are not satisfied with LIES, VIOLENCE and an old schizophrenic who has gone mad!

These are all general words. A lie - it is everywhere to some extent (take Poland, Ukraine, and the United States). Is there one big truth? Sometimes without it, nowhere, if the priority is the interests of state security. Violence? Well, the provocateurs rocked the boat. What should the authorities do if incomprehensible young people are running along the street, throwing stones and sticks at the police, provoking. I would, in But Father's place, introduce CC and hard-roll everyone, but he still behaves liberally. It was your head that was fooled by Western propaganda. Regarding the old .... well, look at Merkel. Young chtoli? Or all this pension in the US candidates. This is not an age argument at all.
Economically, what does not suit you and what are your personal rights violated?
If you cannot give an answer to these points, then I "congratulate you" - you are a victim of Western propaganda.

[TriA]

Quote: pro100y.belarus

Drown for him further and RUSSIA will not suit us either.

Russia has never suited you, Westerners, Not yesterday, not today and tomorrow it will not suit you. And it's not about our support or not support for Lukashenka. The point is that you are being led by false Western values.

[Artyom Volgin]

Quote: TriA

Russia has never suited you Westerners

Not only does Russia not suit Westerners, but Russia also does not suit internal enemies, regardless of the political structure of our country. Our "fifth column" will always be against Russia and the Russian people.

[vvvjak]

I will try to formulate what you would understand. A very unattractive situation is hidden behind a beautiful facade of external well-being. The stability of the economy of the Republic of Belarus is ensured only thanks to external loans, the debt of enterprises has grown to alarming proportions (for example, the debt of one "Gomselmash" in the region of the republic's annual GDP). Why is this going on for a long time and tediously, I will give just one example, the government of the Republic of Belarus buys gas for $ 127 and sells it to its own enterprises at a price of more than $ 300, + salary no less than "popizzot", + taxes, + a couple of unprofitable collective farms, + a couple schools and kindergartens and, as a result, the cost of a tractor is $ 100, but it can be sold in Russia for only $ 50. It turns out the production is under "manual control" (do what you are told), and the sale is under the control of the market. Moreover, in 1994, a huge number of enterprises of the USSR were concentrated on the territory (and not ruins, as you think) and the external debt of the young republic was 0, but now what? Further, about crime - yes, outwardly, it does not exist, but out of 90 bandits (at least those with thieves have notions), bandits in uniform have come, for whom there are no laws at all. And AHLu himself is the law and the king and god. About the courts, the prosecutor's office, local authorities - they do it only as it is said. About the following happens on elections. From the presidential administration, turnout figures and percent "for" the heads of districts and regions are sent in advance. And those are vertically lower, right down to the chairmen of the polling stations. More often than not, the ballots themselves in the ballot boxes are simply changed for the necessary ones, and recently they simply stupidly began to ascribe the protocols themselves, and they even indicate specific data (to the person) how much and for whom. It is easier to rotate these schemes during the preliminary voting, which is why they drew on these elections a record voter turnout in the pre-election period. There are many links involved in this scheme and there is a real threat of information leakage, but this has been working for many years. Why, yes, because everyone is afraid, you will not make a prison at best (for a bribe or corruption), or you will simply disappear. To apply to the authorities is suicide, they cover this scheme, they also guard the ballot boxes (after the closure of the polling stations). And here is such a "mutual" guarantee. I can talk for a long time and tediously about the "happy" life of Belarusians, well, I think this is enough for now, otherwise some citizens of the Russian Federation will have a "brain explosion".

[bulava]

Okay, so be it, but why, then, the whole system is working successfully, the welfare of the Republic of Belarus has been growing for so long and the people are not dumping all over the place, as in the neighboring Baltic states or Ukraine?
I just have good acquaintances from the Republic of Belarus and from the public sector, and businessmen and from the IT sphere. Well, so they live a normal life - they buy apartments, cars, spend vacations at sea or in Europe, children study, parents relax at their dachas. An ordinary, calm and not hungry life.

[pro100y.belarus]

Quote: bulava

Okay, so be it, but why, then, the whole system is working successfully, the welfare of Belarus is growing

God! How everything started. Okay, I'll just say about myself.
Since April (pandemic), our enterprise has been working three days a week, we get crumbs - to survive. And so at many enterprises in our city. From the TV screens a mustachioed comrade broadcasts - you are lazy, you do not want to work, and whoever wants to - he earns. And all this against the backdrop of happy combine operators and smiling workers. BUT IN LIFE AT ALL NOT THIS!
Everything is LIE and FALSE!
Now I have to be at work, not banging on the keyboard. Although ... you still can't prove anything. You, like rams, will bleat about external enemies and the machinations of the State Department.
I repeat - the biggest enemy for you is your adored Comrade Lou. And for us too.

[bulava]

Thanks for the adequate answers! I respect your position, because I sincerely love the people of Belarus. I have one last question. What do you suggest? Well, Father will be removed and "free elections" will be announced. What's next? Who will replace him and what will happen next with the republic, the economy of which you have compared with MMM. Shock therapy like we did in the 1990s?

[pro100y.belarus]

Quote: bulava

What's next? Who will replace him and what will happen next with the republic, the economy of which you have compared with MMM. Shock therapy like we did in the 1990s?

I want to apologize for being too emotional. You understand that everything is on our nerves here ...
Essentially:
The joint opposition headquarters proposes to hold repeated elections by September 15. With the participation of all candidates, including those on the bunk.
The election programs of all candidates are known. In short - not to break anything, no revolution, professionals at the helm of the economy, non-alignment with military blocs, friendship with all neighbors. And more ... blah, blah, blah.
The most important thing in this is the absence of a stupid commander, whom everyone is afraid of and only amicably nodding his head at all his nonsense. Lack of fear for the initiative shown, because for it you can be removed from office or find yourself on a bunk.
Even the most delicious kefir turns sour over time and becomes poisonous. The same thing happened with our president.
We have understood this, but you cannot understand in any way.
What will happen next? ... Nobody knows. But everyone agrees to be patient, if only he leaves, because with him it will only get worse. Everyone is sure of this.

[vvvjak]

Oh, brother, Belarusian, and we will receive a "shock" from the conservative members of the VO site today. Hold on.

[vvvjak]

Quote: bulava

Okay, so be it, but why then the whole system works successfully

The MMM pyramid is also a successful enterprise for the time being. Let's not forget $ 10 billion of support annually (according to Satanovsky) from the Russian Federation.

Quote: bulava

people do not dump without exception,

Not completely yet, but dumps. The demographic situation in Belarus is at the level of 1941.

Quote: bulava

from the public sector, and businessmen and from the IT sphere

Well, with the public sector it is understood (see the commentary above), it is not just that "goodies" are given. Businessmen with money are only "nasty" (government orders, tenders, etc.) and then they are periodically planted and the money is "squeezed" (like they raised a hog, it's time to cut it). IT is a "headache" for AHL - I have not yet figured out how to "squeeze" money from them. Accounts over the hill, the owners, too, fixed assets in people's heads (you can't confiscate them), any kind of goof like computers is not interesting to anyone. Maybe this is why this sector is still holding on and even developing.

[TriA]

Quote: vvvjak

debt of one "Gomselmash" in the region of the republic's annual GDP

Not true. The GDP of the Republic of Belarus in 2019 amounted to $ 59,964 billion. It follows from the accounting data that the company has a net loss of 260 million rubles. Where is the republic's annual GDP?
https://agronews.com/by/ru/news/agrosfera/2020-06-11/45038 Статья под названием "Долги ОАО «Гомсельмаша» превысили стоимость всех активов предприятия". В статье так же не слова про долги размером в районе годового ВВП республики.

[vvvjak]

Quote: TriA

Not true

Infa slipped into the official media a couple of years ago when visiting the Gomselmash plant as an example minister of the Republic of Belarus. I will not vouch for the reliability, but the fact is that there are a lot of debts. This is not the point. If you want an example from personal experience. I was present at the meeting of the trade department of the city executive committee on the situation with prices in the retail network. A representative of one of the greenhouses asked for recommendations on selling prices for retail chains for cucumbers of 2 or 2,5 rubles, so as not to go beyond the adjusted inflation rates in the country. The head of the department, with a shout, began to explain how the price of products was formed (such as costs + wholesale markup, etc.), to which the representative of the farm calmly replied that they knew perfectly well how the price of products was formed and it turned out to be 36 rubles, they asked them about 2 p. or sell at 2.5.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: vvvjak

And AGLu himself is the law and the king and god.

You think that "Here we will overthrow the AHL, then we will live." Or how it will be different, please explain to a naive Chukchi youth.

[vvvjak]

Nobody thinks so. In any case, it will only get worse. You must understand that all this has been accumulating over the years. The real incomes of the population are falling, and he is tightening the screws more and more. Either a tax on parasitism, now a road toll, now with a virus of eccentricity and falsification of data, etc. Here the thread and tore off, which is quite natural. Personally, I think you need to be part of the Russian Federation, otherwise it's a pipe. With AHL, such a scenario is simply not possible. The real collapse of the economy of the Republic of Belarus will happen exactly, only with it it will be even worse for the people of Belarus.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: vvvjak

You must understand that all this has been accumulating over the years. The real incomes of the population are falling, and he is tightening the screws more and more.

You will be very offended, but I'll tell you. It was necessary to think before when in Belovezhskaya Pushcha Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich betrayed the USSR. And now capitalism, and against whom are you on strike now ??? Your words "Population incomes are falling", that's why capitalism, but what does Lukashenka have to do with it?

[vvvjak]

Previously, only Belarusians had to think that they destroyed the USSR. And who said take as much sovereignty as you want? Well, in terms of income, we have capitalism, and expenses will be determined by Lukashenko, according to the rules he sets and changes as he wants, often retroactively. Our laws do not work, as the AHL says so it will be. People no longer really understand what to expect tomorrow, what else will soak the AHLu. For example, from the latter (in general terms) I was reported here that only unemployed at the protests, and so I warn everyone that they would get a job and just try to bring fake certificates, you know me. Or, 20 people left at BelAZ, they were told that there would be no salary, they went to work. If there is any doubt about my free presentation, you can see everything for yourself. This is a time when the whole country is in protests.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: vvvjak

+1
Previously, only the Belarusians had to think that they destroyed the USSR. And who said take as much sovereignty as you want?

Yes, here you are and not completely right. Remember who was kicked out of the USSR with the first kick in the ass? I don't think you even know that. Here is the question for "filling".

[Overlock]

Quote: tihonmarine

It was necessary to think before when in Belovezhskaya Pushcha Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich betrayed the USSR.

Russia was the FIRST to leave the USSR. Somehow it happened.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Overlock

Russia was the FIRST to leave the USSR.

And you are serious or from ... well, at least from Gedeonovka. went in formation against Napoleon.

[Overlock]

Quote: tihonmarine

Are you serious or

The Declaration on State Sovereignty of the RSFSR is a political and legal act that marked the beginning of constitutional reform and the proclamation of state sovereignty of the RSFSR.
The declaration was adopted on June 12, 1990.
The declaration also stated:
the priority of the Constitution and laws of the RSFSR over the legislative acts of the USSR.
Further, chronologically:
Uzbekistan 20 June 1990
Ukraine July 16 1990
Belarus July 27 1990
We do not consider the Baltics, since their departure in no way destroyed the USSR

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Overlock

the priority of the Constitution and laws of the RSFSR over the legislative acts of the USSR.

But not the exit from the USSR. And who was kicked out first. Think.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: bulava

If you are really from Belarus, then here's a question for you. What specifically does not suit you now?

Here in Ukraine it was clear, Maidan, we burn the covers, down with Yanika, we want to go to Europe. In Belarus, they oppose Lukashenka, and what's next. After all, the country needs to live. But nobody talks about it.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: vvvjak

where you saw real support for the main candidate, only on the basis of the "tsiferk" which he drew with the help of an administrative resource.

1. Are there any other "numbers"? Who drew them?
2. How many took to the streets is known approximately. And how many did not work out? And for what reasons?
You, like little children, rejoice at what is happening today you at home [And you don’t want to understand that you are sawing the branch on which you are sitting. You do not have any candidates for the role of "Fuhrer", and there is no party with any intelligible program of action.
All your "fun" lies in destabilizing at least the economic situation in the country, which in the near future will lead to empty shelves in stores. And they will "render assistance" to you in a very specific way, under the camera, saying, they say, the Dictator brought the country and the people "to the handle."
But you are DB! Neither the example of Venezuela nor the example of Banderostan teaches you. How many copies were broken here on the VO, when I literally painted for the "lovers of freedom and democracy" and hour by hour - what will follow ...
Your country, derban ...
You will have a new Fuhrer, a new people's militia, and a new economic order. The IMF will keep a close eye on the latter.

[vvvjak]

Quote: stalkerwalker

All your "fun" lies in destabilizing at least the economic situation in the country

He knows, especially no one is having fun, well, the elation is present. So the economic situation in Belarus and so "seams", if Putin does not give money by the new year, we will get a default.

Quote: stalkerwalker

But you are DB!

Well, of course DB, we want fair and fair elections, absolutely DBny requirements.

Quote: stalkerwalker

Your country, derban ...

Is it more convenient for the citizens of the Russian Federation when it derbanit AGL? And for the money of the Russian Federation, even spitting in your direction.

Quote: stalkerwalker

There will be a new Fuhrer for you,

May be. And what did the Russian Federation do to change the situation in the Republic of Belarus? They fed 20 years old Fuhrer for "pretty eyes". Where are your (I mean pro-Russian) candidates? We sat and watched as the AHLu systematically cleans up the political space through repression, "wringing out" your bank. Well, yes, we got a little startled when we took Russian citizens hostage, but we immediately rush to recognize the legitimacy of the fake elections, thereby freeing the AGL's hands for unprecedentedly brutal measures to suppress peaceful (I especially emphasize) popular protests.
Py.Sy. I'm sorry to be a little emotional, but you yourself provoked me.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: vvvjak

May be. And what did the Russian Federation do to change the situation in the Republic of Belarus? They fed 20 years old Fuhrer for "pretty eyes".

Do not pretend to be fools. We are your brothers, for the time being. But not the metropolis. You happily voted for the AHL in the 90s and XNUMXs, when we sorted out everything and for everyone.
And now, suddenly, they saw the light ...
Did they call the doctor?

[vvvjak]

If you have nothing to add on the case, then your rudeness is not interesting to me

[Antagonist]

Quote: vvvjak

where did you see real support for the main candidate

Where did you see the support for the "opposition" candidate? Based on some incomprehensible and unsubstantiated statements?

[vvvjak]

Quote: Antagonist

Where did you see the support for the "opposition" candidate? Based on some incomprehensible and unsubstantiated statements?

And here is the opposition candidate. Honestly, these templates have already been bored. Belarusians took to the streets with only one demand - "go away", ONLY ONE. Not for the European Union and NATO or Russia, not for money and "liver", not for a candidate or an opposition leader, but because they are tired of being wordless fools.

[Aviator_]

Belarusians took to the streets with only one demand - "go away", ONLY ONE.

And what are they going to eat then? Nuland is out of cookies. All cookies in Ukraine.

[New Year day]

Quote: vvvjak

And where did you see the real support of the main candidate, only on the basis of "tsiferk"

Unfortunately, nobody is interested in the opinion of Belarusians on VO.
The main thing is the fight against NATO, and people are rubbish. They are ready to sacrifice everything for this struggle.
They should thank Lukashenka for the beatings and the linden, such ungrateful

[vvvjak]

Quote: Silvestr

Unfortunately, nobody is interested in the opinion of Belarusians on VO.

Sincere thanks to you from Belarusians for your understanding and support.

[Aviator_]

You're looking at form (percentages drawn), not content - economics. Luka will no longer be able to sit on two chairs; he will have to choose between the option of Ukraine (subordination to Western oligarchs) and the option of subordination to Russian oligarchs. So the choice is between bad and very bad. The Ukrainian version is more than bad. But this is my opinion. At one time, the Kuzbass miners did a lot for the coming to power of EBN. Now their children are all brown, don't think they are chocolate. As if the workers of BelAZ did not go this way.

[Azimuth]

There is no real thing in Belarus about the European presidential candidate. NOT!! And Europe understands perfectly well that Tikhanovskaya is already yesterday. Here Baboriko yes. But the whipping sits. But a pro-Russian candidate. That is why BB mumbled something but clearly did not recognize the elections. Well, supposedly, congratulations took place, but we did not send observers with violations, we are not familiar. Stretching for time and in any outcome Russia will win from the choice of Belarus.

[Alexga]

Now I want to ask, why do you consider Babarika a pro-Russian candidate? Interesting opinion from outside Belarus.

[avdkrd]

Quote: AlexGa

Now I want to ask, why do you consider Babarika a pro-Russian candidate? Interesting opinion from outside Belarus.

There are also big doubts about its pro-Russian character.

[Alexga]

After his calls for a return to the 1994 Constitution, there is no question of its Russian orientation at all, because this is a return to the abolition of the Russian language as a state language and a return to Nazi symbols.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: AlexGa

after all, this is a return to the abolition of the Russian language as a state language and a return to Nazi symbols.

Do not you think that this song was sung in 2014 and is still sung by other "neighbors".

[Boris55]

Quote: V. Alexey

Well, if not seriously on Friday, then the conversation should be translated in the direction of the topic that any ruler should be aware of the limit of being in power

Why the Western experience of limiting the presidential term in office to two terms does not suit us.

In the West, the president is a henchman of the bourgeois (usually by the Clinton and Kenedy clans) who promotes their interests.

Here, and in the Soviet space, presidential power is political power, working for the interests of the country, and not for individual clan groups. If not, then after the first term it is quite "democratic" to replace it with another.

In the west of the change of manager, in principle, nothing changes - he still works for their interests. When Trump came to power, he violated this rule, for which their bourgeois are ready to destroy the entire country, in order to restore the old order.

In the 90s, the seven-boyars intended to establish the same order - they broke off.
A change in the political leader can lead to unpredictable results, up to the collapse of the country and the writing of the boundaries of the newly formed subjects with our blood. Only according to official data, we have about two thousand such "inaccuracies" ...

The power of the bourgeois can only be overthrown.
Political power can be changed.

The results of a leader of such a level can only be judged by comparison with which country he accepted and which country is, taking into account all external and internal factors. If, taking this into account, the well-being of the country and its citizens grows from year to year, then there is no point in changing the awl for soap, especially since with the arrival of a new leader, the quality of management decreases due to his lack of experience and, as a result, the well-being of citizens worsens.

ps
Why is someone depriving me of the right to vote for the former president?

[Volodin]

Quote: Boris55

In our country, and in the Soviet space, the presidential power is political power that works for the interests of the country, and not for individual clan groups.

Thank you for continuing the "Friday Lovers Club" column. Laughed)))

Quote: Boris55

In the 90s, the seven-boyars intended to establish the same order - they broke off. The political power can be changed ..

I remembered the summer of 1996 and laughed again. Thank! From the heart))

[Boris55]

Quote: Volodin

Laughed)))

Is not it so? We have gone from a gas station and have become a state that is reckoned with throughout the world.

[Volodin]

Quote: Boris55

We have gone from a gas station and have become a state that is reckoned with throughout the world.

And this is a reciprocal process, because for some time now Russia itself "reckons with the whole world" - suddenly the assets will be frozen, suddenly new sanctions will be introduced, suddenly the pipe-laying vessel will be arrested, suddenly the Belarusian shrimp will not reach, suddenly the children will not be allowed to finish their studies at Harvard and Oxford or will be taken away real estate in Miami, suddenly, suddenly, suddenly. This is called globalization. She's so ...

[Boris55]

Quote: Volodin

And this is a mutual process, because for some time now Russia itself "reckons with the whole world"

And how we in the "saints" of the 90s reckoned with the whole World - I do not read the present. What's the point? The strong speaks only to the strong. The will of the strong is dictated to the weak.

Quote: Volodin

suddenly children will not be allowed to finish their studies at Harvard and Oxford

Amendments to the Constitution - "The Census of Settlement will not allow many in our country to pass on their chair by inheritance.

Quote: Volodin

Globalization is called

Globalization is an objective process, but who will lead it is a subjective process.

[NDR-791]

Sanctions may hit the Belarusian oil refining industry
But dad don't care. He not only has oil and gas, but he even catches so much salmon that it can be exported.

[Uncle lee]

"American oil tankers will no longer enter the" Belarusian Sea "!
Pompeo threatened Lukashenka to cut off energy supplies.
Article on "Free Press",

[Uncle Izya]

Live Belarus !!!

[Victorio]

Quote: Uncle Izya

Live Belarus !!!

===
Live Belarus !!! Ameryka with us !!!

[Humpty]

Quote: Uncle Izya

Live Belarus !!!

Instead of a leg - horns grew
Change, we are waiting for change

[Nikolaevich I]

All is well in the beautiful collective farm of Old Man ... and he is doing well! And only fate brought a surprise to him because of a stupid whim!

[pro100y.belarus]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Nikolaevich I (Vladimir)
Today, 10: 57

A very revealing video. WATCH EVERYONE who drowns for Kolya's dad.
We have hundreds of such videos of lawlessness. Yes, and I saw it all with my own eyes. My Soul Hurts...

[Nikolaevich I]

PS I would like to ask the official balabols from Belarus the following: There are many (!!!) protesters on the videos! Where ... how did the opposition recruit so many "paid people with a criminal past"?

[Overlock]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Where ... how did the opposition recruit so many "paid people with a criminal past"?

everything is very simple. Representatives of the MTZ-RIPO football club, among whom there are many professional athletes, got involved in the war with the police.
Under the influence of events in Ukraine, MTZ began to move away from leftist beliefs. Supported the Maidan, stood in solidarity with the Kiev Nazis, spoke from an anti-Russian position. The content of the movement took on nationalist forms.
Their emblem

[Nikolaevich I]

MTZ is not MTZ ... anything can be ... and that's it! The official balabol-office attributed the "paid criminals" to the opposition ... but "iron" (!) Evidence is dumb! Exactly with the same "success" (!) We can say that it was the KGB of Belarus that drove up to the right place and time of professional "paid provocateurs with a criminal past"! And now the official "batkin" mass media "mold the hunchback"!

[Uncle Izya]

Even Ceausescu was better, even though he believed in his ideals at the execution, he said long live communism. And Lukashenka built ice palaces as monuments to his stupidity, but he could put a successor, but he was sick with the power of everyone who helped to find it, he planted, Lebedko, Feduta is a complete scoundrel

[akunin]

I do not understand the author's sarcasm: only "fitters" are bludgeoned? Out of 6000 detainees, all with fittings and stones? Do you believe in the figure of 80% for a Lukashenka? You have to decide who needs Belarus or Lukashenko (two different concepts).

[iouris]

Stop mocking. It's time to think seriously. A fellow traveler who is in the same boat with us, a union state, and in fact - a region of our country, figuratively speaking, jumped out of the boat into the river teeming with crocodiles, because ahead of the waterfall and the boat will inevitably collapse. He SO sees the perspective.

[Olddetractor]

Does he see? And is he?

[tralflot1832]

Foreign Ministry of Belarus: We are ready to discuss the situation in Belarus with foreign partners. During a telephone conversation with the Foreign Minister of Switzerland. There was a rake. Belarusians, make no mistake! Russia is not rubber, I am not talking about Lukashenko. He has somewhere to stay in Russia.

[1536]

I think they will give him tickets to Harbin. And that, a good city, is located at the latitude of Krasnodar, but winters will resemble Belarusian ones. True, the city was founded by the Russians as a village on the Chinese Eastern Railway, which is under construction, but this is also nothing, a sort of nostalgia will be present. Now it is one of the developed industrial centers of the PRC. You can watch and marvel at the Chinese "miracle". True, the Chinese work from morning until evening to "make a fairy tale come true", and do not distill oil here and there while drinking the coveted French or Armenian brandy, do not pack shrimp from the DPRK, and also do not go to the Schengen zone to work as plumbers and drivers. taxis in droves. Perhaps, looking at all this, and there is an answer to the question: "But what is it, why Harbin now?"

[sevtrash]

If Belarus develops following the example of Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, etc. - then it will not be such a bad future. If, like Ukraine and Russia, where there are oligarchic-bureaucratic or bureaucratic-oligarchic states, then of course yes, they won’t gain much.

[Victorio]

Quote: sevtrash

If Belarus develops following the example of Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, etc. - then she will not have such a bad future. If by type

===
to choose from. romania, bulgaria, baltics, georgia, what else is there - albania. but most likely, and certainly, Belarus will be the second Switzerland

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: sevtrash

If Belarus develops following the example of Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, etc. - then she will not have such a bad future. If by the type of Ukraine and Russia - where are the oligarch-bureaucratic or bureaucratic-oligarchic states

There is no need to put Ukraine and Russia next to each other - we have been going completely different paths, at least since February 2014. The result is known. Two alternatives ..
Talking about the examples of the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Poland is in favor of the poor. And the Belarusians, even more so. All nishtyaks have long been given away. Only the bait remained. And the fate of the Belarusian bream in these conditions is unenviable - they will be fried in a pan made from the remains of BelAZ, MAZ and other industrial enterprises. Which are not needed by either Poland or the Czech Republic and Slovakia.

[Filing]

And who forbade Ukraine to develop following the example of Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia? And your neighbors Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia who forbade them to develop like Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia. Ukraine is no different from the former USSR countries, so who forbade it ??? The collective west does not need competitors and needs slaves on the plantation.

[1536]

Quote: iouris

Stop mocking. It's time to think seriously. A fellow traveler who is in the same boat with us, a union state, and in fact - a region of our country, figuratively speaking, jumped out of the boat into the river teeming with crocodiles, because ahead of the waterfall and the boat will inevitably collapse. He SO sees the perspective.

Dear, what do you suggest? What, it was necessary to tie them in chains in this boat? They would then have broken through the bottom and dragged everyone along with them.
And that's why in this, as you say, practically "the region of our country" there was not a single person who could become a competitor to this presumptuous subject in the presidency, who would now seize the initiative, take control of street protests provoked by the Poles and " by various other Swedes "who, at the same time, would be with Russia, had interests in Russia (and not thieves' ones), and understood that only together Belarus and Russia could achieve a lot in all spheres of life, is that a big question? The mere fact that the citizens of Belarus are ranked first in Europe in the issuance of Schengen visas to them, suggests that the train, alas, has left. Now you have to think about the station, otherwise you will have to grab the bags when it starts to move.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

A wonderful article by Alexey in the style of Alexander Zubchenko! He described everything perfectly without smearing false tears and snot on his cheeks!

[sevtrash]

Lukashenko appears to be trying to bargain with the West. But apparently he sent his valuables and family to Russia? You will have to flee to Russia yourself. Well, he will have to be given to the fraternal people. It will be in the style of his actions, and the Belarusians, perhaps, will appreciate it. They will not turn into enemies so quickly.

[ont65]

What's this! The riots are fueled by Gazprom militants, and the Russian riot police are beating up the protesters. So in Belarus, the West and Ukraine are waging a hybrid war. - Dr. Goebbels is resting. And all this in the conditions of the information self-blockade of the republic.

[Alien From]

But father is the last dictator in Europe)))))

[Vladimir Mashkov]

A wonderful article by Alexey in the style of Alexander Zubchenko! He described everything perfectly without smearing false tears and snot on his cheeks! And the final conclusion in this case is correct.

[iConst]

Well, if not seriously on Friday, then the conversation should be translated in the direction of the topic that any ruler should be aware of the limit of being in power and timely readiness to at least find a worthy successor for himself.

Then, dear author, could you expand this idea a little - what are the "limits of being in power", how to "find" and what is a "worthy successor"?

For now, I will speculate in epistolary terms:
A strange thing is observed: There are rulers who are in power for life and in the "whole world" there is no bathhurt. There, by the way, they are also chopping down bosses, hands - and ... no violations of democracy!
Regarding the "fatigue" of the people from the rulers, which is now rushing out of every iron - Gaddafi ruled himself perfectly for decades, built almost communism and everything would be fine, but allowed himself to talk about the gold dinar instead of USD.
And at once the people are tired! Well, damn it, I woke up - and suddenly realized that he couldn't eat, how tired he was of Gaddafi. And away we go.
But now they have rested. To the fullest.

With mother Merkel, it is also somehow strange. For ten years now they have been squealing about Putin (not a typo) that he has "sat up" on the "throne". Kantsleryayn has long passed the line of "sitting down" and ... silence.

[Fibrizio]

Quote: AlexGa

But there is the result of the vote, it is undeniable.

Why? If collectors come to you and say that you took a microloan in Tambov and you owe money, is it undeniable? And in all, someone used a photo of your passport. Will you go pay?
How is such a voting result different from fraud?
And to dispute it means to rock the boat?

[Victorio]

Quote: Fibrizio

Quote: AlexGa

But there is the result of the vote, it is undeniable.

Why? If collectors come to you and say that you took in Tambov microloan and you owe money, is he undeniable? And just someone used a photo of your passport. Will you go pay?
How is such a voting result different from fraud?
And to challenge it means "rock the boat"?

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?! the example of a microloan pulls on the landing, as well as "challenging" the election results with firecrackers, stones and bottles and rigging the voting results / violations, etc. - fines.
and the boat is not shaken, but cut with an ax.

[Fibrizio]

Well, then it is better to stay at home, watch TV and squeak like a rat if asked (after all, the authorities will say that it is necessary). Or the boat will crack at the seams.
Where is the line of what can be done with a person or people, and what is definitely not allowed? (well, or can not be tolerated) When is it possible to "swing"? When will food stamps begin to be given? (I certainly exaggerate with food stamps).

And then another question, if you don't like firecrackers (me too), then how should it be? How can they remove Lukashenka legally and according to Lukashenka's rules?

[Victorio]

Quote: Fibrizio

Well, then it is better to stay at home, watch TV and squeak like a rat if asked (after all, the authorities will say that it is necessary). Or the boat will crack at the seams.
Where is the line of what can be done with a person or people, and what is definitely not allowed? When can you "swing" something? When will food stamps begin to be given? (I certainly exaggerate with food stamps).

===
? for me, it's better a tit in the hand than a crane in the sky. // Svetlana Tikhanovskaya, who took part in the presidential elections in Belarus, made a new appeal, stating that 60-70% of voters voted for her in polling stations with a correct vote count //
- the new "leader" of Belarus.
before the Maidan, on one site they corresponded with a Ukrainian from Chernigov, he then wrote with enthusiasm about the upcoming changes, the impossibility of life under Yanukovych, the arbitrariness of the authorities. but later, with each new success of Ukraine, his tone began to change, the enthusiasm and the number of messages began to decline. and then it stopped altogether.

[Fibrizio]

You know, I agree with you and not at the same time.
Over the past 10 years, I have changed 3 jobs (now on the 4th) with a constant upward movement of money.
And what's the point of history, the people sit down to their place and are afraid of changes, and sometimes they are intelligent, literate people. They just "got used" and are not looking for anything. If only they did not touch. I have all this for what, I communicate with people from old places, so they are still there, as they received little, and receive. You need to have the courage to decide on changes and give up the tit.
But there is certainly a risk, but which is better, guaranteed 30k or 120k based on the results of gradual growth or job change?
To each his own, but a person, as for me, should look ahead.
So your position, though understandable, but unfortunately from the category "if only there was no war."

[depressant]

In many cities and towns of Belarus, social networks reproachfully appeal to the population: "Why don't you take to the streets? All of Minsk has come out!"
In the ten years, I had a chance to read many times in Novaya Gazeta and hear on Echo of Moscow how the liberal opposition, both in Russia and in Belarus, with voluptuous ecstasy calls its peoples the Polish word "cattle" (byd.lo, if anyone does not understand). And he, the people, in the opinion of the opposition, is such because he does not share the greedy, frenzied desire of the opposition to overthrow the current government in order to take a place at the trough, which is filled by exploiting this very people. Now the rhetoric has changed dramatically, the opposition now, both in Russia and in Belarus, are allegedly fighters not for the coveted feeding trough, but for the people's happiness, and in Belarus - still in an implicit form - and for the revival of the Belarusian nation, brutally trampled once and now even more cruelly trampled by the accursed Russian neighbor.
But the memory of the people for some reason became long and angry. At least among the older and middle generation. They, these generations, remember who they are considered by those who dress up in "white clothes", and are not lazy to explain something to the young, and the life of the young prompts something. And then the opposition places its stake on the very young ..
In any case, in Russia the people once did not support Bolotnaya Square in the form of its white ribbon workers, and in Belarus now they do not want to support those who dress up in white clothes of moral purity. These are not our and not the Belarusian people's protests! The cleanliness of the clothes is illusory. They do not seek others from some exploiters. At least you know what to expect from the old ones.
Thus, what is happening now in Belarus is an attempt to replace the old, fed up and completely insolent from impunity, the political and economic elite by a new hungry one.
The trouble is that Belarus is small! It is home to about 9,5 million people, and in Moscow alone, according to official data - 12,5 million. Moreover, the proximity of the former Soviet republics to Belarus plays a role. To increase their importance in their own eyes, to justify their own meanness, these former NATO appendages are doing their best to replenish their ranks to justify the principle "there are many of us, there are more of us, then we are right." I have no doubt that all sorts of state departments and all sorts of former are trying to fool the brains of the Belarusian people. And water, as you know, wears away the stone. And those who rock Belarus have much more opportunities than in Russia. Despite the harsh dictate of the completely annoying "leader".

And here is the main thing. Most of all, no one is shaking and aggravating the situation in the same way as these old political "leaders" both here and among Belarusians - simply by too long a fact of their existence in the supreme power. Because life is changing. Even household items become morally obsolete and wear out. And when you see the same domineering face for decades, you get scared: can you cope in new circumstances? Who now listens to the tape recorders of the last century? Only the record of "Changes!" Remains unchanged, but in the sound from a mobile phone. But from the old "leaders-tape recorders" you only hear the call "No need to rock the boat!", And from ours also the refrain "There is no time to swing!" And what is it for? To adoration of you, who frighten us with the archaism of the wrong decisions you make in the current situation and your inability to complete what you started?
Life goes forward, and the "leaders", not coping with its rapid pace, thereby conserve us in the past. And no matter how good the conservation technology is from the point of view of the "leaders", sooner or later history will throw us all into the trash - after the expiration date.

[imobile2008]

Lkoshenko fosters anti-Russian sentiment. Will help either overthrow by internal forces, or the introduction of troops with a unification! If it remains, we will get a second Krain (the key is broken)

[parusnik]

the conversation should be translated in the direction of the topic that any ruler should be aware of the limit of being in power and timely readiness to at least find a worthy successor for himself.

... But what successor, in the patriotic party, the founder of which is Lukashenka, cannot grasp the train of his thoughts ... Lukashenka was obliged to foresee that the opposition would not agree with the results, and in this case, he should have thought out several scenarios, force as the last one .. At least, when the first bell rang, to invite the opposition to provide evidence of the violations committed, the opposition refused .. It would not be in favor of the opposition. Or they began to collect evidence until the court, but the case .. The people would have cooled down .. And here I was just waiting for the streets to be taken out ... if everything settles in favor of Lukashenka, many will not forgive him a lot ... both in Russia and in the West ...

[Overlock]

Quote: parusnik

to offer the opposition to provide evidence of the violations committed, the opposition refused ... It would not be in favor of the opposition. Or began to collect evidence while the court, but the case ... The people would have cooled down ..

so maybe there is no evidence?

[dali]

Quote: Overlock

so maybe there is no evidence?

You just were against, what is it all of a sudden?

[Terrible GMO]

And - yes, how long can you tolerate the arbitrariness of the Belarusian police. They beat people with metal fittings and stones in their hands, horror, with rubber truncheons! The American and French policemen are, of course, shocked by this - imagine ... rubber truncheons on living people! ..

Torturing people in dungeons too? Crowd beatings in courtyards too? Knocking off bicycles and then turning you and your property into mince too? Shoot the hand of a couple who were walking the dog in the yard in the evening? To beat up doctors-resuscitators so that they themselves are immediately sent to intensive care? Threatening to detonate a grenade while arresting some lonely teenager in broad daylight?

Go to hell with the help of "Brothers".

[dali]

Quote: TerribleGMO

Torturing people in dungeons too? Crowd beatings in courtyards too? Knocking off bicycles and then turning you and your property into mince too? Shoot the hand of a couple who were walking the dog in the yard in the evening? To beat up doctors-resuscitators so that they themselves are immediately sent to intensive care? Threatening to detonate a grenade while arresting some lonely teenager in broad daylight?

Go to hell with the help of "Brothers".

Evidence in the studio !!!

[dali]

Quote: TerribleGMO

Go to hell with the help of "Brothers".

How long did you cheer 2018 on February 5 and a friend on July 19, 2020 and rushed:

19 June 2020 19: 32
This time you are wrong. Perhaps the latest events in the country lead you to think about the "Maidan", "Ukrainian scenario", "Western puppeteers" and so on. But everything is much simpler. The only ones who "help" to turn Belarus towards democracy are exclusively the current government.
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29 June 2020 19: 15
Belarusians do not want to be part of Russia. Young people all the more. The train left.

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You are a provocateur!

[BAI]

Whoever came to power in Belarus, we lost Belarus. All candidates went to the polls with the words: "Vote for me or it will be like in Russia." All. We have a second Ukraine.

[Sanche]

Quote: BAI

All. We have a second Ukraine.

Is not a fact. There is no Russophobia among Belarusians. Yes, there are those who hate Russians, but there are not many of them

[Overlock]

Quote: Sanche

There is no Russophobia among Belarusians.

while. But rumors are spreading that the beating was carried out by the OMON from Russia, like "ours could not do it."
If "fraternal help" in the form of troops goes, then the pipe, "Ukraine-2" is provided

[pereselenec]

Quote: Overlock

while. But rumors are spreading that the beating was carried out by the OMON from Russia, like "ours could not do it."

And why is it surprising if the former Ukrainian Berkut member Sergei Kusyuk, with pleasure, as part of the National Guard, participated in the beating of the Russians?

https://www.currenttime.tv/a/30093839.html

[dali]

Quote: pereselenec

https://www.currenttime.tv/a/30093839.html

Are you from nazalazhny what?

Even Vika does not hide:
Currently - a Russian-language TV channel with an editorial office in Prague, created by the media corporation Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty with the participation of the Voice of America [1]. The TV channel is funded by grants from the US Congress through the US Agency for Global Media [2]. Representatives of the American government, including the head of the Broadcasting Board of Governors, are prohibited from interfering with the channel's journalists. The media sees its task in "promoting democratic values ​​and institutions" [2]. Official round-the-clock broadcasting began on February 7, 2017. Available on cable, satellite and digital platforms [3].

You are either not Ivan, or a corrupt character ...

[Sanche]

Quote: Overlock

But rumors are spreading that the beating was carried out by the OMON from Russia, like "ours could not do it."

Do not worry, time will put everything on the shelves. In this age of the Internet, it is impossible to hide a needle in a haystack. If there really was a Russian OMON, then your friends will be greatly reduced

[strelokmira]

no matter who came to power in Belarus, we lost Belarus

That's for sure, here it is already either to provide direct military support, or to prepare for the deployment of tomahawks in the territory of the former Republic of Belarus and the flows of refugees to the Russian Federation

[Sanche]

The author is simply mocking. And we have no time for jokes.
I will tell you the opinion of many Belarusians that such fascism, which was happening in the isolation wards, our country saw only during the Second World War. I can't sleep that night after what I saw and heard, how to forget it

[BAI]

Where do we broadcast from? My wife is now talking on the phone with a friend from Minsk, she bangs her head against the wall - there is no Internet, neither at home nor at work.

[Sanche]

One of the main news portals:
https://news.tut.by/society/696664.html?f&fbclid=IwAR1jgIYNhi_tiFBUotCGxIIqGnbsqL-6h-qhSqXJXT_TIgcQBMZsgLJXSAE

[eklmn]

"... any ruler must be aware of the limit of being in power ..."
If we are talking about a dictator and a dictator, then the correct remark.
Because in the dem.stranah the limit is written in the constitution.
It can be seen that the author likes dictatorship, and if he, as a journalist, thinks so and is not “shy” of his opinion, then Russia and the Russians will face the Middle Ages ...

[pereselenec]

By the way, I had a question for the Putinists / Likashenists: how do you imagine the scenario of the future that will suit you?

A decrepit 67-year-old Putin gains immortality and reigns forever, providing you with eternal stability, "getting up from your knees" and "import substitution"? Maybe you crave Kadyrov as a successor?

66-year-old Lukashenko rules another 20 years for 15-year-old Kolenka to reach the age of 35 (since a citizen of Belarus by birth, at least 35 years old, who has the right to vote and has permanently resided in the Republic of Belarus for at least ten years immediately before elections.)?

What exactly will suit you?

[demo]

It's easy for the author to make mistakes!
But he would not have to be put in Luke's place for a couple of days.
I would look at him.

After all, this is how Luke dodged and spit. So "went by different tacks." All reefs passed (non-recognition of Abkhazia, South Ossetia, annexation of Crimea). So he scolded the mercenary Russian oligarchs.
That already the Americans wanted to return the ambassador with a gang.
And here is such an overkill!

The author should be kinder to people, more responsive.

[xomaNN]

I am waiting for the Belarusian crisis to be resolved. I would not like that on uk..r. variant. - At first, Yanuca hid like an ostrich from decisive decisions, then signed cidulks with "euro partners" and ... fled to Russia when he realized that he had been prodded like a sucker.

Just the other day I went to look at the residence of Yanuka - Mezhyhirya near Kiev. On a grand scale, the uncle invested a hundred or two million in the comfort of an individual leader. Here is his "Honka" - a crappy hut