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Newsweek: Why drop the atomic bomb on Nagasaki after Hiroshima?

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In the United States, some think that the atomic bombings hastened Japan's surrender, while others consider them a necessary step to contain and intimidate the Soviet Union. The Japanese, especially the relatives of those who survived this horror, believe that Washington's decision to use nuclear weapon against the civilian population of the two densely populated cities, nothing can be justified.


The American edition of Newsweek tried to figure out who is right in this dispute.

On August 9, 1945, the second and last in the world stories atomic bombing. The Americans dropped the Fat Man bomb on the Japanese city of Nagasaki, which killed 39 to 80 thousand inhabitants and wiped out the city center. This was the second bombing, the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. In total, these two barbaric acts claimed the lives of 129 to 226 thousand people.

The US believes that by dropping bombs and killing thousands of people, they "saved many more lives," as they stopped the war and forced Tokyo to surrender. Say, Japan would fight to the last. The landing of American troops on the islands would have resulted in much greater casualties on both sides. According to the most conservative estimates, it is assumed in the United States that the death toll would have been at least a million in this case. In addition, hostilities would continue in other countries of the Asia-Pacific region, also claiming lives. The official American point of view claims that thanks to the atomic bombings, all this was avoided, quickly ending the war.

At the same time, dropping the second atomic bomb on Nagasaki after the bombing of Hiroshima was supposed to show Tokyo that America has not the only bomb and, if necessary, is ready to continue nuclear attacks further.

Another argument in favor of the bombing is called the atrocities of the Japanese military in the occupied territories. Say, there is nothing to pity the Japanese, because they are guilty of numerous atrocities. As if some crimes can justify others.

American historian of Japanese origin Tsuyoshi Hasegawa does not agree with the point of view prevailing in the United States. He believes that Tokyo decided to surrender not after the nuclear strike on Nagasaki, but after the declaration of war by the Soviet Union a few hours earlier. He believes that Tokyo hoped for the mediation of the USSR in concluding a peace beneficial for Japan.

Hasegawa reinforces his version by the fact that Emperor Hirohito decided to surrender on the morning of August 10, when news the nuclear strike on Nagasaki has not yet reached him. True, it was announced later, on August 15, 1945. Hirohito hoped that the USSR would help him make peace with the United States and preserve the empire. But the entry of the Soviet Union into the war destroyed these hopes and served as an impetus for the declaration of surrender.

Of course, when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Japanese cities, they wanted to end the war as soon as possible. But not because they tried to save lives. They simply feared that the Soviet Union, advancing its troops across Asia, would subordinate the liberated Asian territories to its influence, including them in its orbit, as it did in Eastern Europe.

And it was also a demonstration of the capabilities of the new weapon in real conditions. And first of all, the United States wanted to show its strength to the Soviet Union. After all, then the United States was the only one in the world that possessed nuclear weapons. There was a high probability that after the end of World War II, American atomic bombs would fall on Soviet cities. Perhaps, only the development of its own nuclear weapons by the USSR in the shortest possible time kept America from attack and saved Moscow, Leningrad, Kiev from the fate of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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  1. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 14 August 2020 10: 42 New
    19
    Because the bombs were different.
    American copper-headed warriors decided to check which one would be more effective.
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 14 August 2020 10: 45 New
      +9
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Because the bombs were different.
      American copper-headed warriors decided to check which one would be more effective.

      yes Yes. One uranium friend on a plutonium charge. Plus, of course, the assembly schemes are different hi
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 14 August 2020 10: 46 New
      +5
      The US wanted to show its strength to the Soviet Union.
      The hegemon showed who was the boss!
      1. NIKN
        NIKN 14 August 2020 11: 00 New
        +4
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        The hegemon showed who was the boss!

        Why why? Yes, because the Sheriff's Indians don't care about Problems. That's all the excuses.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 14 August 2020 11: 16 New
          +3
          Quote: NIKNN
          Why why? Yes, because the Sheriff's Indians don't care about Problems. That's all the excuses.


          In general, you are right, because - "The target of the bombing was Japanese, and the address of the" message "was Soviet (Russian)"

          But this is only part of the truth. The desire of US military scientists to compare the effect of atomic bombs of different systems under conditions of different detonation at the target also has a significant share in this - ground и air.
      2. NDR-791
        NDR-791 14 August 2020 11: 17 New
        +7
        The hegemon showed who was the boss!
        And further. Already on August 15, American doctors appeared in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They accepted all the victims, but did not heal anyone! They only described the symptoms. And so for almost a year.
        1. Victor Ar
          Victor Ar 14 August 2020 14: 38 New
          +4
          Japan served as an American military farm for guinea pigs, defeated by the American idea of ​​studying the characteristics of their new weapons directly on defenseless living people. This is an inhuman crime against all of humanity. Us criminals
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 16 August 2020 10: 33 New
            +1
            I agree that this is scary, but, as the author correctly wrote, what the Japanese did in China, for example, cannot be compared. And another fact: as a result of World War II, Japan became subject to the United States. And I cannot say that it was bad for the Japanese. One of the strongest countries in terms of economic and technological indicators. Highest life expectancy. In many respects, this path was repeated by South Korea. And the Northern cell, which was for the USSR, cannot boast of anything. After World War II, American businesses made huge investments in Japan, which gave a huge boost to their country.
      3. Victor Ar
        Victor Ar 14 August 2020 14: 33 New
        -1
        Future hegemon. Now this "hegemon" has come to a miserable state of stagnation with the coronavirus and the inability to overtake Russia in hyperweapons. Demands to give them control over the developments, because they are failing in this area
    3. Grits
      Grits 14 August 2020 16: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      American copper-headed warriors decided to check which one would be more effective

      Only for this it was necessary to choose similar cities. And so it turned out incomparable. Hiroshima is a city with houses made of paper and bamboo. Which also burned down. And Nagasaki is a port with stone buildings and structures. And there only the central part was destroyed - the rest did not produce much effect.
      1. Simple
        Simple 14 August 2020 16: 30 New
        -1
        Nagasaki was chosen due to the weather conditions. Initially, the plutonium bomb had a different target city.
        And if Japan did not surrender after the second atomic bomb, then there would be a third and fourth bomb. Everything is Yankee style - to kill civilians.
        1. volodimer
          volodimer 14 August 2020 19: 46 New
          +2
          Nagasaki was chosen due to the weather conditions. Initially, the plutonium bomb had a different target city.
          And if Japan did not surrender after the second atomic bomb, then there would be a third and fourth bomb. Everything is Yankee style - to kill civilians.

          The first half of your comment is correct, the second is not.
          The Janeks didn't have a third and fourth bomb ...
          They used both ... of what they had. Structurally, they were different.
          Therefore, the second bomb would be dropped to a loved one. Kokura, Nagasaki or any other locality .... The goal was not to intimidate Japan, but to check the impact of the bomb on the object.
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 15 August 2020 09: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: volodimer
            The Janeks didn't have a third and fourth bomb ...
            They used both ... of what they had.

            The fourth, yes, it hasn't been there for several months. And the third was in stock, and if Hirohito hadn't given up, it would have been dropped in a couple of weeks, or even days.
          2. Simple
            Simple 25 August 2020 16: 27 New
            0
            Quote: volodimer
            The first half of your comment is correct, the second is not.


            Basically, your opponent under the nickname "Nagan" answered you.
            It is documented.

            Quote: volodimer
            The goal was not to intimidate Japan, but to test the impact of the bomb on the object.


            There are two in one, and the warriors need to be seen live and politicians like "the sooner it ends, the better."
        2. silver_roman
          silver_roman 16 August 2020 10: 35 New
          0
          According to the plan, there were about 8 goals.
  2. Free wind
    Free wind 14 August 2020 10: 51 New
    +4
    If I had an atomic bomb in 1941-1945, I would have used it against Germany without hesitation. Die instantly from an atomic bomb, or die for 3 days, stuffed with fragments of a land mine. This is not a humane way to take your life, but a humane one ...
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 14 August 2020 10: 56 New
      +7
      Those bombs were incredibly dirty. Relatively few died from the explosion itself.
      But the fires in their bamboo huts and radiation sickness are much more.
      And you won't wish it on the enemy.
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 14 August 2020 11: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        But the fires in their bamboo huts and radiation sickness are much more.

        There were practically no fires. There were only focal ones, which the blast wave could not completely extinguish, as can be clearly seen from the photo of Hiroshima. The trees stand, burnt but not burnt.
        Until now, there is a man twice hit by the bombing.
        The strongest fires were during high-explosive bombardment. In fact, all the major cities in Japan were razed to the ground .. Tokyo was bombed for almost two weeks, almost a million tons of explosives were dropped .. There, a lot of Japanese died from fires.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 14 August 2020 11: 17 New
          +8
          Quote: dvina71
          Tokyo was bombed for almost two weeks, almost a million tons of explosives were dropped. So many Japanese died there from fires.

          Exactly...

          Which further devalues ​​the thesis "nuclear strikes forced Japan to surrender"
          Why then did she not surrender, for example, on May 26 after the "fire tornado" in Tokyo?

          The freaks just wanted to test the bombs on real targets
    2. sergey32
      sergey32 14 August 2020 11: 14 New
      -3
      I agree with you. You should not try on today's ideas of humanity to that cruel time. The Americans faced the dilemma of sacrificing their soldiers (boys 18-20 years old) during the landing and war directly in Japan or by the enemy civilian population. If we had such an opportunity, the German cities would surely have been incinerated without hesitation, and they would have done the right thing.
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 14 August 2020 11: 23 New
        +3
        Quote: sergey32
        If we had such an opportunity, the German cities would surely have been incinerated without hesitation, and they would have done the right thing.

        It was, but the cities were trying to protect .. But the Americans and the British bombed cities that were less covered by Luftwaffe fighter aircraft .. Leipzig and Dresden .. for example ..
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 14 August 2020 11: 24 New
        +5
        Quote: sergey32
        The Americans faced the dilemma of sacrificing their soldiers (boys 18-20 years old) during the landing

        And before the landing in the Philippines, she did not stand? However, her absolutely unnecessary landing was carried out to please the ego of the gene.
        1. Simple
          Simple 14 August 2020 16: 37 New
          0
          Quote: Spade
          And before the landing in the Philippines, she did not stand?


          On those islands there were airfields - so to say, infrastructure was needed. They then bombed Japan from them.

          And there would be no caritulation of Japan if a nuclear bombing was carried out in the Philippines.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 14 August 2020 16: 43 New
            0
            Quote: Simple
            They then bombed Japan from them.

            Just not from them.
            For example, the "firestorm" raid on Tokyo was carried out from the Mariana Islands. Like nuclear strikes ...

            Just look at the map .....
            1. Simple
              Simple 14 August 2020 16: 45 New
              0
              Yes, it is true there were airfields on two islands.
              Not military, so blame it for incorrectness.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 14 August 2020 16: 51 New
                0
                Quote: Simple
                Yes, it is true there were airfields on two islands.
                Not military, so blame it for incorrectness.

                Historians have long written about the oddities with the Philippines.
                This was essentially a "backward attack" - the Mariana Islands began to be cleared from the Japanese in the early summer of 1944, the Philippines - in October
                1. Simple
                  Simple 14 August 2020 16: 56 New
                  +1
                  I recently watched a new documentary in German as the Americans captured these two islands (I can't find it yet to lay out here), and since the geography in this geolocation is seams, I "attributed" these islands to the Philippines.
                2. Simple
                  Simple 14 August 2020 17: 24 New
                  0
                  They haven't posted it on YouTube yet.
                  In German it is called: "Mega-Projekte der Nazis - Schlacht um Saipan"
                  I recommend watching, it should be in English.
                3. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 14 August 2020 17: 25 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Spade
                  Historians have long written about the oddities with the Philippines.
                  This was essentially a "backward attack" - the Mariana Islands began to be cleared from the Japanese in the early summer of 1944, the Philippines - in October

                  There is only one answer - MacArthur. He, you see, having escaped in 1942 on the TKA, promised to return.
                  And since he was a rather influential figure (he was even at one time planned to be nominated as a Republican candidate in the 1944 presidential election), he managed to push through his option - to return to the Philippines (the fleet wanted to bypass the Philippines and go further - to Formosa and the Japanese Islands).
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 14 August 2020 19: 41 New
                    0
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    There is only one answer - MacArthur. He, you see, escaping in 1942 on the TKA, promised to return.

                    I've also heard about this version.
      3. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 14 August 2020 16: 39 New
        0
        The Americans were faced with the dilemma of sacrificing their soldiers (boys 18-20 years old) during the landing and war directly in Japan or by the enemy civilian population.

        And what prevented you from dropping bombs on ports or railway junctions? The goal was to kill civilians, terrorize the population.
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 16 August 2020 10: 44 New
          0
          It is difficult to assess the efficiency on broken rails. Yankee's new SI efficiency: measured in human casualties
    3. KCA
      KCA 14 August 2020 11: 56 New
      0
      Or die 3 years or 30 years from radiation sickness, very humane
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 14 August 2020 12: 06 New
        -1
        Quote: KCA
        30 years from radiation sickness,

        They die from radiation sickness within 2 weeks .. maximum a couple of months ..
        1. KCA
          KCA 14 August 2020 12: 21 New
          +1
          It depends on what form
          Chronic radiation sickness caused by general irradiation goes through three stages in its development: Stage of formation. Lasts 1-3 years. A clinical syndrome develops. Recovery. Begins 1-3 years after the termination or decrease in the intensity of radiation exposure. Stage of consequences (complications). The outcome of chronic radiation sickness can be recovery, stabilization of changes or their worsening.

          Complications of radiation sickness can be: the development of hemolytic syndrome; malignant neoplasms of different localization; hemoblastosis; arterial hypertension; diseases of an ophthalmic nature, damage to the lens, cataracts; genetic abnormalities in offspring due to the vulnerability of germ cells to radiation.
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 14 August 2020 12: 23 New
            0
            Quote: KCA
            It depends on what form

            WE are talking about a nuclear explosion .. no? How do you imagine the formation of radiation sickness during three years during a nuclear explosion?
            1. KCA
              KCA 14 August 2020 12: 30 New
              +3
              After a nuclear explosion, well, there are no fissile elements left at all, poof and you are ready, you can build new houses and live, then you are not careful, 1-3 years is not the duration of exposure, but the duration of the disease, you can simply grab isotopes of iodine without radiation sickness thyroid gland and live without grieving, and then oops, and cancer, after a few years
              1. dvina71
                dvina71 14 August 2020 12: 39 New
                -1
                Quote: KCA
                then you are not careful, 1-3 years is not the duration of exposure,

                Read..from your post.
                Chronic radiation sickness caused by general irradiation goes through three stages in its development: Stage of formation. Lasts 1-3 years.


                Quote: KCA
                After a nuclear explosion, there are no fissile elements left at all, poof and you're done

                Yes .. something like this .. See the statistics on those irradiated during the explosions in Japan and during the infection after the Chernobyl disaster.
                Here is fishing on the lake in the place of YA 1971

                You can fish in Pripyat, but you can't eat for another 100 years
                1. KCA
                  KCA 14 August 2020 12: 44 New
                  +1
                  My words are not an argument for you, I understand, read about the consequences of the explosions in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the number of deaths at once, and the number of deaths in subsequent years from exposure to radiation in more competent sources
  3. astepanov
    astepanov 14 August 2020 10: 57 New
    0
    Sadly, many young Japanese people sincerely believe that the atomic bombing of Japan was carried out by the USSR. Indeed, on the day of remembrance of the victims of the bombing, the United States is not mentioned or condemned.
    Japan, in fact, is occupied by the United States: there are more than 100 thousand military personnel and their family members in the country. Criminal offenses committed by the military against the Japanese are essentially not investigated and punishment is extremely rare.
    The propaganda in every possible way justifies the occupation, diverting attention to the far-fetched "problem of the northern territories", the area of ​​which is hardly larger than that occupied by the bases.
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 14 August 2020 11: 03 New
      +3
      The Japanese know perfectly well who bombed them. There are many museums on this topic, schoolchildren are told about atomic attacks from childhood.
      1. BDRM 667
        BDRM 667 14 August 2020 11: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: Free Wind
        The Japanese know perfectly well who bombed them. There are many museums on this topic, schoolchildren are told about atomic attacks from childhood.

        Within Hiroshima and Nagasaki Prefectures - Yes yes , throughout Japan - No no

        The "average Japanese" will not answer you with confidence with whom the imperial Japan fought in 1941-45 ...
        1. Mimoprohodil
          Mimoprohodil 14 August 2020 11: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: BDRM 667
          The "average Japanese" will not answer you with confidence with whom the imperial Japan fought in 1941-45 ...
          Live in Japan and constantly communicate with the Japanese? Where does such knowledge come from?
    2. Crane
      Crane 14 August 2020 18: 22 New
      +1
      Sadly, many young Japanese sincerely believe that the USSR carried out the atomic bombing of Japan.
      ====
      Prove them in Japanese museums or does their Vika write that?
      1. astepanov
        astepanov 14 August 2020 18: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: Crane
        Prove them in Japanese museums or does their Vika write that?
        No, they don't. In particular, they prefer to keep silent about the fact that the bombs were dropped by the United States. And that young people sometimes believe that the USSR is to blame, I heard from people who were in Japan on business and lived there.
  4. askort154
    askort154 14 August 2020 11: 01 New
    +4
    On August 9, 1945, the second and last atomic bombing in world history took place.

    For the first time in world history, the United States tested atomic weapons, and on the civilian population. The world swallowed it, the guilty not only were not tried, but they did not even try. It is not difficult to imagine what the reaction of all "human rights defenders" would have been if the USSR had done it.
  5. 1536
    1536 14 August 2020 11: 05 New
    13
    I apologize in advance for the cynicism. But nevertheless I will express my point of view.
    The US industrialists and military just wanted to test their "product". To show their power to the USSR or to prevent casualties during the landing of troops on the Japanese islands is a bluff that was invented after the bombing with the filing of the same USA. In the same way, it is a bluff that someone later experienced remorse or other moral torments. The facts speak for themselves. In the three years before 1949, when the first nuclear weapon was tested in the USSR, the United States could make enough atomic bombs to begin destroying the USSR. However, they did not agree to this destruction. Why, when, by and large, the development of the USSR was stopped by a destructive war, at least for 10-20 years, as the United States thought then. The task was accomplished, the competitor in the form of the USSR with its "socialist national economy" lay in ruins and did not pose any danger to the American concerns that had enriched themselves during the Second World War. And the bombing of a huge territory would not bring any dividends. Capitalism is war. War for markets, war against competitors, and so on. Therefore, the Japanese today do not make any claims to the United States, but are in a subordinate position to the United States, call themselves allies, do not like the souls in Americans, because, firstly, they have resigned themselves to the fact that the United States is stronger and more powerful than Japan, and, in - secondly, if the Japanese had such a bomb in 1945, they would not have thought for a minute where, how and against whom to use it. And if we discard all the ideological husk polished after the Second World War by various historians both in the East and in the West, then the bottom line will be only one thing: if you are weak, you will be subdued or destroyed. If you are strong, they will talk to you, look for partnerships in order to perform some next robbery together. But if you are neither this nor that, then they will wipe your feet about you, accuse you of all mortal sins, if circumstances require it, ignore and laugh at you, and this will last until you become weak and not you will obey, or, which is preferable, you will play in the box yourself, and perhaps even later will remember you with a "kind" word by some regular "Edward Gibbon". It seems that our people in the late 1980s and early 1990s had no idea about this. Many do not realize this even now, pitying, for example, the Japanese or wondering what is happening in Belarus, we all love them so much.
    1. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 14 August 2020 16: 43 New
      0
      And you don't need to guess if you know the history of mankind. The strong is always right.
    2. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 15 August 2020 02: 20 New
      +1
      The Japanese almost had time ... According to some information (for example, the fixation of radioactivity in the atmosphere by American reconnaissance aircraft), on the night of August 12-13, 1945, a prototype was tested (or destroyed in order to not surrender to the enemy) in the area of ​​Heungnam and the Sea of ​​Japan nuclear bomb on the eve of the capture of Hinnam by Soviet troops and the surrender of Japan on August 15.
      In principle, the presence of isotopes in the natural environment is an absolutely objective thing and isotopes are well preserved in some natural objects, for example, in the silt of lakes and swamps, in the ice of mountain glaciers, so one day historians will put an end to this story with the Japanese bomb.
  6. BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 14 August 2020 11: 09 New
    +3
    Now I would feel sorry for the Japanese in WWII. The bombing was fully justified. Their fanaticism would not have allowed them to capitulate, and then the question of survival arose.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 14 August 2020 11: 21 New
      +4
      Their fanaticism, somehow, did not help during the Manchurian operation of the Soviet army ... from a word at all ...
      1. BISMARCK94
        BISMARCK94 14 August 2020 11: 25 New
        -1
        I mean the invasion of the islands
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 14 August 2020 11: 42 New
        0
        Do the Chinese approve of atomic revenge on the Yapas? ............................................ .................................................. .................................
  7. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 14 August 2020 11: 11 New
    +1
    this is a combat test, at least two results are required
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 14 August 2020 11: 14 New
    +2
    Of course, when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Japanese cities, they wanted to end the war as soon as possible.
    .... Che then, when Germany, together with the British, burned out with napalm, the war in Europe did not end quickly ... it took another 8 months ... and to ask for help from the USSR, after the Ardennes operation of the Germans ...
  9. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 14 August 2020 11: 18 New
    +1
    for amers, people and other humanism is an empty phrase ... there the first bomb was superfluous during massive raids in the absence of effective protection ... but now they decided to practice and declare themselves to the world ... Herostratus' laurels do not give rest
  10. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 14 August 2020 11: 18 New
    +2
    If we had such bombs in the War, we would have used them without hesitation ... as much as necessary to calm the Hitlerite beast ... And the Japanese beast was not more herbivorous .. True, most likely they would have fagged in industrial areas ... most likely ..., although then such a blow and simply in the center of any German city in the USSR would only rejoice without any remorse for the "innocent murdered"
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 14 August 2020 12: 00 New
      0
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      If we had such bombs in the War, we would use them without hesitation.

      ===
      if it were. and even applied, it is difficult to imagine where then and how then the USSR / rf would not be inclined for this atrocity
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 14 August 2020 12: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Victorio
        if it were. and even applied, it's hard to imagine

        It is difficult to imagine how differently the world would have been arranged after the war ...
      2. zombirusrev
        zombirusrev 14 August 2020 13: 36 New
        0
        Is America a lot inclined?
        1. Victorio
          Victorio 14 August 2020 14: 06 New
          0
          Quote: zombirusrev
          Is America a lot inclined?

          ===
          the difference is that the ussr / rf would have everything for it, and the usa nothing
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 August 2020 11: 18 New
    +1
    others consider them a necessary step to contain and intimidate the Soviet Union
    And these others are the most correct in their reasoning. In addition, the Americans were eager to test their new product in action. And the Japanese in this situation (war) were just guinea pigs.
  12. Wolf
    Wolf 14 August 2020 11: 40 New
    +5
    Nothing can justify killing civilians. No nuclear strike on Hiroshimi and Nagasakiu. Not a Dresden bomb with napalm. Then the West compared itself with Hitler in terms of evil. What is the difference between the gas chambers at Auschwitz and Nuclear in the city? The fact that with a nuclear strike in one and kill and burn, and in Auschwitz there were 2 operations first killed, and then burned.
    The history of the war goes to the head of civilization, the evolution of man goes to the monkey.
    Everyone who justifies the nuclear civilians is close to Hitler's ideology of the destruction of the people. The difference is in the nuances.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 14 August 2020 11: 47 New
      +1
      What is the difference between the gas chambers at Auschwitz and Nuclear in the city?
      ...Right...
    2. Wolf
      Wolf 14 August 2020 11: 51 New
      0
      I heard here arguments about the effectiveness of the army and one person said as an argument that there was one army that effectively destroyed the industry, infrastructure, hospitals, etc. Yes, they effectively killed many civilians, much more effective than building a gas chamber and killing people there, which means that Hitler was not efficient, he could simply burn cities where there was an accumulation of people. By that logic, Hitler was a humanitarian worker ???
    3. zombirusrev
      zombirusrev 14 August 2020 13: 40 New
      +2
      The Germans did not have an atomic bomb, but they manually destroyed more than 18 million of our civilian population ... the Japanese manually destroyed more than 30 million of the Chinese, so planting all of Japan and Germany with a nuclear mycelium would not be a crime, but an adequate response ..
      1. Wolf
        Wolf 14 August 2020 17: 44 New
        0
        This is a philosophical question. To answer evil for evil? Eats a famous philosopher in the Chinese, he said about firmly defeated mechkim and vice versa. That in translation, evil is defeated by good. But unfortunately what happened? The villains themselves, the villains in the Second World War, remained alive both on the side of the Germans and on the side of the Japanese.
        Yes, there are all those that destroyed civilians should be punished from soldier to general, but in reality they were not punished!
  13. Doctor
    Doctor 14 August 2020 11: 47 New
    0
    There were two raids on Pearl Harbor.
  14. Prisoner
    Prisoner 14 August 2020 11: 52 New
    +2
    The killers! Why dump them at all? Indeed, after the entry into battle of the Red Army, the fall of Japan was a foregone conclusion.
    1. zombirusrev
      zombirusrev 14 August 2020 13: 41 New
      0
      You should have been given to His Excellency Issii Shiro, he would have shown you humanism.
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 14 August 2020 13: 56 New
        -1
        You, my dear man, will somehow decide. You are a well-mannered zombie Rushen revolutionary or Hamlo not educated. laughing "You" - "you". Since the age of seventeen I have lived in an environment where only very good acquaintances poked around. soldier
  15. Victorio
    Victorio 14 August 2020 11: 56 New
    +2
    repentance of the hegemon, so to speak, is not yet expected
  16. Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 14 August 2020 12: 01 New
    0
    And if the USSR had received a nuclear bomb during the war with Fascist Europe, it probably would have used it without hesitation?
    And would this have opponents today?
    For example, to wipe out Hitler's lair, Berlin, together with the Fuhrer.
    It is a pity that Stalin did not have such an opportunity.
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 14 August 2020 13: 59 New
      0
      Hardly. We are not Pin Dos or English.
  17. RUnnm
    RUnnm 14 August 2020 12: 06 New
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    Now everything would have been easier - the United States would have raised its Soros hamsters, they would have organized rallies in support of the bombing of themselves and no one would have any such questions at all. Well, or as a last resort, now it would be possible to bomb out and say that highlighted like, Russia did it.
  18. RUnnm
    RUnnm 14 August 2020 12: 11 New
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    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    The explosion itself killed relatively few

    Well this ....! About 150 thousand people from the explosions themselves, excluding the delayed damaging factors. For comparison, about 20 thousand died in Dresden.
  19. shinobi
    shinobi 14 August 2020 12: 46 New
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    The Yankees can talk whatever they want. It is reliably known that Truman, after the first successful test, informed Stalin about the new weapons that the United States had. After that he informed the closest advisers - Wash, he simply did not understand. After that Khudyshka and Fatty were dropped. Only after The military who arrived at the scene were able to assess the scale of the tragedy, understanding came at the top. But this was of secondary importance to surrender. At that time, the USSR was fucking the Kwantung army against the background of which everything else looked like private episodes. It's funny. But the Americans themselves were most impressed by this crime. Especially in the Midwest. They quickly drew a parallel between the extent of destruction of wooden Japanese houses and equally wooden panel houses in the United States.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 14 August 2020 21: 17 New
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      In my opinion, he just did not understand

      Who didn't understand?
      1. shinobi
        shinobi 15 August 2020 02: 27 New
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        Stalin: The phrase is reproduced verbatim. If memory serves, the source is Hoover's memoir.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 19 August 2020 08: 48 New
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          Truman did not understand that Stalin was in the subject.
  20. Victor Ar
    Victor Ar 14 August 2020 14: 24 New
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    What Americans are cunning. They cannot be trusted and at the same time they are mean and pitiful in their Aspirations. If they now had such a weapon against which the opponent would not have an antidote, they would use it 100% without being embarrassed by the numerous victims among the civilian population. They are now preparing new bombs in their numerous centers and laboratories, developing prototypes of genetic weapons and we would not miss it, we need to create vaccines of a new level. Pandemic, this is just training ...

    The meanness of the United States also consists in their arrogance. They demand our modern hyperweapons to lay down and give under the control of the world community, led by the United States.
  21. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 August 2020 15: 39 New
    +1
    The Japanese deserve what they get. A couple more bombs could be dropped. They killed a lot of people in China and Korea. Engaged in genocide.
  22. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 14 August 2020 17: 07 New
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    The US believes that by dropping bombs and killing thousands of people, they "saved many more lives," as they stopped the war and forced Tokyo to surrender.

    1. Nicago was not saved because Japan was ready to surrender before the atomic bombings on the same conditions (the preservation of the power of the emperor) on which it surrendered after them.
    2. The atomic bombing did little or no damage to the Japanese army and industry.
    3. Large civilian losses hit only as a result of surprise use. In the future, they could be reduced by 10-100 times if there was an alarm on time. In Nagasaki, 400 people who were sheltered under the epicenter of the explosions remained unharmed. After Nagasaki, the Japanese learned that the devil is not so bad.
    4. The means of delivery - a single B-29 aircraft from which the weapons and armor were removed, hit very vulnerable. There was a high probability that the plane would be shot down and the bomb would fall into the hands of the Japanese.
    5. More bombs did not hit the Americans then, and by the end of 1946 only a dozen of them were hit.
  23. NordUral
    NordUral 14 August 2020 21: 14 New
    +1
    Perhaps, only the development of its own nuclear weapons by the USSR in the shortest possible time kept America from attack and saved Moscow, Leningrad, Kiev from the fate of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    The first word is absolutely superfluous.
  24. Zomanus
    Zomanus 16 August 2020 09: 53 New
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    The check was, bombs with uranium and plutonium fillings.
    And again, they began to scold fascism only after Nuremberg,
    and before that, these were normal colonial wars.
    So just full-scale tests, which bomb will kill more.