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Kravchuk suggests Stockholm. Minsk may lose its status as a negotiating platform for Donbass

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The head of the Ukrainian delegation to the Trilateral Contact Group Leonid Kravchuk does not rule out the possible transfer of the negotiating platform from Minsk to another place. He considers Sweden more suitable for this.


This was reported by the Ukrainian edition of UNN.

Kravchuk proposes to change the place of meetings of the Trilateral Contact Group in the event that it will not be possible to meet in Minsk. He calls Sweden as an example of a "completely neutral country". Stockholm instead of Minsk?

In fact, the former Ukrainian president has reason to consider Minsk an inconvenient place for TCG meetings. And the point is not even that a wave of protests swept across Belarus after the presidential elections, which poses a threat to the safety of the negotiators. Apparently, the unrest is on the decline, and the Belarusian law enforcement officers are excellent at coping with all threats.

Kiev does not recognize Lukashenko as President of Belarus


The problem was caused by the official position of Kiev in relation to the presidential elections in general and to the recognition of Lukashenko as the legally elected president in particular.

The very next day after the vote, Volodymyr Zelenskyy appealed to the parties to the Belarusian confrontation to start a peaceful dialogue. And this is instead of simply congratulating Alexander Lukashenko on his victory. In fact, the statement of the Ukrainian president indirectly demonstrates Kiev's non-recognition of the Belarusian elections. Instead of such a statement, Zelenskiy would have been better off pause and staying silent until the official and final results were announced.

Actually, Lukashenko won an unconditional victory in the elections and does not intend to just give up power, as Yanukovych did a couple of times in Ukraine. Lukashenko is not Yanukovych. He is ready to take tough measures, and the opposition seems to have realized that the Kiev scenario does not shine for it.

But after such "congratulations" to Zelensky, difficulties arise with the arrival of the Ukrainian delegation to Minsk. Now it becomes impossible for the representatives of Kiev to come to the negotiations in the country, the legitimacy of the president of which Ukraine does not recognize.

Another threat to Minsk's preservation of the status of a negotiating platform for Donbass may be the fate of the 33 citizens of the Russian Federation detained in Belarus. So far, they have not been released and have not returned to Russia. Although Kiev's request for the transfer of these people to him because of their participation in the conflict in Donbass is unlikely to be satisfied, such a possibility still remains. And then representatives of the LPNR will not come to Minsk for negotiations, fearing that they will also be handed over to Ukraine, where they are threatened with reprisals.


True, now that the elections have been held, and the provocateurs have been identified, the Belarusian authorities, I think, make no sense to continue to keep the Russians and, moreover, to transfer them to Ukraine.

Who, if not Minsk?


After the elections in Belarus, due to the position taken by Kiev, the arrival of the Ukrainian delegation to Minsk becomes undesirable for both sides. It turns out that the search for a new negotiating platform is not a whim of Leonid Kravchuk, but an urgent need.

Actually, the choice of such sites is quite large. The countries in which they are located must be suitable for a number of parameters. First, they are neutral towards all negotiators. Secondly, they are conveniently located in terms of logistics. And, of course, the leadership of such a state must support the negotiation process and be ready to receive its participants.

Several countries in Europe and the post-Soviet space are suitable for these parameters.

Initially, when the first meetings to resolve the situation in Donbass were just being planned, several options were considered. As a result, two of them were left - Belarus and Kazakhstan. We stopped in Minsk, apparently because it was closer and more convenient for all the participants in the negotiations.

Now, in the light of recent events, they can again return to the Kazakh version or choose a site in Europe. In fact, Austria, Switzerland and Finland have repeatedly and brilliantly coped with this role. Kravchuk, for example, suggested Sweden - Stockholm. Can the mentioned Sweden be called absolutely neutral towards the negotiators? Hardly.

In general, the meeting place of the negotiators does not play a decisive role. The result largely depends on the willingness of the parties to negotiate and find common ground.
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  1. iouris
    iouris 13 August 2020 18: 38 New
    -3
    This is what he wants to do with the Swedish socialism ?!
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 13 August 2020 19: 02 New
      22
      Kravchuk suggests Stockholm.

      Or maybe take the negotiators to the North Pole and leave them there until they agree !? yes
      1. rich
        rich 13 August 2020 19: 08 New
        10
        Kravchuk offers Stockholm

        Or maybe it's better for Kravchuk to listen to the opinion of the cinematic comrade. Katz, and suggest something different laughing
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 13 August 2020 22: 24 New
          +4
          Quote: Rich
          Kravchuk offers Stockholm

          Or maybe it's better for Kravchuk to listen to the opinion of the cinematic comrade. Katz, and suggest something different laughing

          Or he can send the former "comrade" Kravchuk to the farm to catch butterflies ... He suggests ....
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 13 August 2020 23: 49 New
            +1
            In fact, the statement of the Ukrainian president indirectly demonstrates Kiev's non-recognition of the Belarusian elections. Zelensky, instead of such a statement, it would be better to pause and remain silentuntil the official and final results are announced.

            Ha! Keep silent to Zelensky ?! It's just not real.
            In principle, an "actor" on stage cannot remain silent. He needs all the time with some remark or trick to draw the attention of the audience to himself, otherwise the "theater-goers" will quickly forget about him.
            1. volodimer
              volodimer 14 August 2020 19: 52 New
              +1
              Tatyana, what about the "mkhatovskaya" pause ??? Although, yes! Within the framework of "de-Sovietization" they do not know laughing fool
        2. PSih2097
          PSih2097 14 August 2020 00: 15 New
          +4
          Quote: Rich
          Kravchuk offers Stockholm

          Or maybe it's better for Kravchuk to listen to the opinion of the cinematic comrade. Katz, and suggest something different laughing

          Sit on an aspen stake yourself?
          1. rich
            rich 14 August 2020 00: 55 New
            0
            Sit on an aspen stake yourself?

            remember the movie, Alexander wink
        3. 4ekist
          4ekist 14 August 2020 12: 16 New
          -1
          Maybe it's better to go directly to Mars?
          What good can this gray-haired, bald pensioner who took an active part in the collapse of a huge state have to offer?
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 13 August 2020 19: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: SRC P-15
        Kravchuk suggests Stockholm.

        Or maybe take the negotiators to the North Pole and leave them there until they agree !? yes

        And you will be an observer there. Well, to be fair. For your proposal. We with the delegation of the LPR and Russia are ready to see you from Rostov, online and by videoconference. hi
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 13 August 2020 19: 22 New
          12
          Quote: Observer2014
          And you there as an observer. Well, to be fair.

          If the negotiations are successful, then I agree! The main thing is that the polar bear doesn't eat me! yes
          But seriously, I am in favor of accepting the LDNR into Russia! And no negotiations!
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 13 August 2020 20: 29 New
            -1
            Quote: SRC P-15
            If the negotiations are successful, then I agree! The main thing is that the polar bear doesn't eat me!

            Bears don't bite good people.
            1. The black
              The black 13 August 2020 20: 57 New
              +2
              He considers Sweden more suitable for this.
              And the Swedes are generally aware of it?laughing ..or no one asks them anymore
              1. The black
                The black 13 August 2020 21: 14 New
                +3
                ... although Kravchuk can be understood. Swedish buffet, it's easier to eat there laughing ... and travel allowances are not in Belarusian rubles, but in Swedish kronor smile
            2. Observer2014
              Observer2014 13 August 2020 21: 49 New
              -2
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Quote: SRC P-15
              If the negotiations are successful, then I agree! The main thing is that the polar bear doesn't eat me!

              Bears don't bite good people.

              Here a colleague's double opinion emerges repeat First, what are the bears? And as it is not known which bears should determine the goodness of the person whom they are going to eat. Secondly, if the bear is white. And the future dinner will not be afraid of this word black ... Yes, in general, you can devil think and go to be eaten by the first brown one he meets. Again. if that white sokotina from Alaska came and devoured our uramarginal !? Or worse, take a grizzly. In general, by definition, the birth of a nifiga is not a patriot of Russia unambiguously. But you want to eat something. And to eat something for anyone you need. So we remember on the move until the muse leaves what kind of bears are there in the world? In, Himalayan ! But those dogs eat mostly honey and are friends with Mowgli. And we have the north. What can we do? And it’s definitely necessary to eat someone. That means! We smoke, drink, dance the last two dances for today and leave. belay wassat
              1. SRC P-15
                SRC P-15 14 August 2020 09: 27 New
                0
                Quote: Observer2014
                Means! We smoke

                And what do we smoke? belay
                At first I thought that this was written by Nikolai Nikolayevich Drozdov - he expresses his thoughts about animals in a painfully detailed and intelligible manner. No, no! It turned out that he was not: Nikolai Nikolaevich does not smoke any filth! yes
            3. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 13 August 2020 22: 24 New
              0
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Quote: SRC P-15
              If the negotiations are successful, then I agree! The main thing is that the polar bear doesn't eat me!

              Bears don't bite good people.

              If these are only good bears! drinks
            4. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 13 August 2020 23: 43 New
              0
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Bears don't bite good people.
              laughing good good great Estonian humor !!!
              And if on garlic, then a big-footed bear, suddenly, when attacking, can accelerate to the speed of racing stallions. Here, such a stallion walks, does not touch anyone, his little raspberry / and brunettes. / Eats. The guy is happy with everyone, but in case of a combat situation the bear accelerates to the speed of a racehorse.
          2. PSih2097
            PSih2097 14 August 2020 00: 18 New
            0
            Quote: SRC P-15
            And no negotiations!

            Provided that Odessa, Nikolaev and Kherson join the LPNR ... This is along the Black Sea.
            1. Potomac
              Potomac 14 August 2020 14: 42 New
              +1
              I will say it as a resident of Odessa. It's not dripping here either. We don't need to join anyone. Peace, friendship, we go to visit, we do not touch the borders.
        2. mdsr
          mdsr 13 August 2020 20: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: Observer2014
          And you there as an observer. Well, to be fair

          good
        3. figwam
          figwam 13 August 2020 21: 12 New
          +3
          What if the heads of the LPNR are arrested in Europe at the request of the outskirts and under pressure from the United States? No, I think there is no need to go there, these crooks will go to any meanness.
          1. vVvAD
            vVvAD 14 August 2020 00: 24 New
            -1
            Yes, I think, even in Austria, the LPNR will have to persuade. And Sweden and other Finland are not passable options. Here is Kazakhstan - quite to itself.
            But there is one caveat: Ukraine, in principle, does not want impartial mediation, because neutral countries will not suit it already.
      3. Shilka
        Shilka 13 August 2020 19: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: SRC P-15
        Kravchuk suggests Stockholm.

        Or maybe take the negotiators to the North Pole and leave them there until they agree !? yes

        It is better to go to the Kolyma in the former Stalinist camp with guards (Vologda convoy), dogs and until they agree not to release laughing
        And leave Kravchuk hostage there ...
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 August 2020 20: 30 New
          0
          Quote: Shilka
          And leave Kravchuk hostage there ...

          Well, you are cruel, you can't do that. You can simply "forget" it there by accident after negotiations.
          1. Shilka
            Shilka 13 August 2020 21: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: Shilka
            And leave Kravchuk hostage there ...

            Well, you are cruel, you can't do that. You can simply "forget" it there by accident after negotiations.

            Yes, as I read some Vlad here, so I rush, my teeth grind, but I restrain myself hi
            And so to collect this whole rag and in China to judge only !!!!! Basmanny Court of Justice to send a journalist liberda there is afraid to go there .. Dzepin does not mind lol
            And the sentences there are quickly executed!
            1. Cotton Colorado
              Cotton Colorado 13 August 2020 22: 04 New
              -3
              You can go to Grozny!
              1. Shilka
                Shilka 13 August 2020 22: 07 New
                -2
                Quote: Cotton Colorado
                You can go to Grozny!

                There is no Una-Unso did not feel bad ... and the Baltic tights ...
                1. PSih2097
                  PSih2097 14 August 2020 00: 21 New
                  0
                  Quote: Shilka
                  Quote: Cotton Colorado
                  You can go to Grozny!

                  There is no Una-Unso did not feel bad ... and the Baltic tights ...

                  It was a long time ago, now they immediately face an exceptional measure, and without trial and investigation ...
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 13 August 2020 22: 13 New
              +3
              Quote: Shilka
              And the sentences there are quickly executed!

              I saw a drug trial there. Rather, how they were taken to the execution of the sentence, and so that the people could see everything. Of course, we didn’t go to the execution, but we saw how we drove along the street.
            3. Revival
              Revival 13 August 2020 23: 47 New
              +1
              I ask for interest.
              Are you able to write something adequate?
              Or is there a credit, well, what is it?
      4. Vita vko
        Vita vko 13 August 2020 19: 39 New
        +7
        Quote: SRC P-15
        Or maybe take the negotiators to the North Pole and leave there

        The main thing is that there are no representatives of Russia at these negotiations. Moreover, after the terrorist act in Donetsk with the murder of Zakharchenko, there is no sense and prospect in the Normandy format.
      5. Mikhail Alexandrov
        Mikhail Alexandrov 13 August 2020 20: 12 New
        +2
        I suggest that all negotiations be held in Crimea ...
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 13 August 2020 22: 27 New
          0
          Quote: Mikhail Alexandrov
          I suggest that all negotiations be held in Crimea ...

          In the steppe Crimea. Where there is no water due to the fault of Ukrainian soap!
        2. Normal ok
          Normal ok 14 August 2020 15: 36 New
          -2
          Quote: Mikhail Alexandrov
          I suggest that all negotiations be held in Crimea ...

          "There is no war - I will accept everything:
          Link, hard labor, prison.
          But, preferably in July.
          And, preferably in Crimea. "
          Filatov.
      6. Baloo
        Baloo 13 August 2020 20: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: SRC P-15
        Kravchuk suggests Stockholm. Minsk may lose its status as a negotiating platform for Donbass

        Kravchuk suggests Stockholm. Minsk may lose the status of a negotiating platform for
        Donbass

        Why are they ashamed, Brussels or Fashington would immediately suggest.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 August 2020 20: 32 New
          0
          Quote: Balu
          Why are they ashamed, Brussels or Fashington would immediately suggest.

          Then it's better in Donetsk.
      7. lis-ik
        lis-ik 13 August 2020 20: 17 New
        0
        Quote: SRC P-15
        Kravchuk suggests Stockholm.

        Or maybe take the negotiators to the North Pole and leave them there until they agree !? yes

        Who, in general, from all sides, is interested in these negotiations? Or are they going to type purely?
      8. parusnik
        parusnik 13 August 2020 20: 27 New
        +1
        In this case, it's better to go to a drifting ice floe, you don't know where it will take you and when it will fall apart ..
      9. Victor_B
        Victor_B 13 August 2020 21: 04 New
        +2
        Or maybe take the negotiators to the North Pole and leave them there until they agree !?

        And you, friends, how do not sit down ... (c)
      10. Icarus
        Icarus 13 August 2020 21: 20 New
        0
        But after such "congratulations" to Zelensky, difficulties arise with the arrival of the Ukrainian delegation to Minsk. Now it becomes impossible for the representatives of Kiev to come to the negotiations in the country, the legitimacy of the president of which Ukraine does not recognize

        And after the taking hostage of 33 Russian citizens, most of whom took part in the war against the ukrohunta, "difficulties arise" in the arrival of Donbas representatives to Minsk.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 14 August 2020 00: 24 New
          0
          Quote: Icarus
          "Difficulties arise" in the arrival of Donbas representatives to Minsk.

          And leaving Belarus is so generally ... up to two years for leaving the house within three weeks ...
      11. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 14 August 2020 08: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: SRC P-15
        Or maybe take the negotiators to the North Pole and leave them there until they agree !?

        Southern. Better to the South Pole. And leave food for a week.
    2. Civil
      Civil 13 August 2020 20: 23 New
      -1
      Yes, even in Antananarivo, there will still be no sense. There are no options for concessions.
  2. Observer2014
    Observer2014 13 August 2020 18: 38 New
    -3
    Kravchuk suggests Stockholm. Minsk may lose its status as a negotiating platform for Donbass
    Naturally, not something that can. Consider lost. Russian guys from Donbass are sitting there, you don’t understand why and for what. Thanks to the SBU or whoever did it all there. And Lukashenka’s very clever politician. fool
    I propose if there is any sense in the negotiations. Rostov-on-Don. hi And let them insist on who it depends on. And the city will cease to be besieged by Yanukovych. And the delegations from Donbass are nearby. And you won't have to expect from any Lakashenki Podlyany. And let’s tackle different Kravchuk ...
    1. ReferralWOT
      ReferralWOT 13 August 2020 19: 12 New
      -1
      letting them go simply means openly admitting that everything that was done against them since the arrest was an empty empty space and not legality_a since Lukashenka still apparently hopes to calmly hold on to power, so he is in no hurry with them
      1. Senka naughty
        Senka naughty 13 August 2020 19: 24 New
        -4
        letting them go simply means openly admitting that everything that was done against them since the arrest was an empty empty space and not legality_a since Lukashenka still apparently hopes to calmly hold on to power, so he is in no hurry with them


        Have they been released a long time ago, or have you decided that you need to be personally notified? And Lukashenka calmly rules the country while the Neanderthals jumping through the streets of Minsk are getting deadlines. Only today I saw his appeal, about the economy, something about trade, no one even remembers the savages. Such is the news.
        1. ReferralWOT
          ReferralWOT 13 August 2020 19: 30 New
          -1
          let go didn’t let go_the rules didn’t rule_ calmly not calmly_remember don’t remember_ early to say gop until autumn
          1. Senka naughty
            Senka naughty 13 August 2020 19: 40 New
            0
            it's too early to say gop not yet autumn

            They had already harvested the crop, and by winter the banks were rolled up. This is not a game of tanks.
            1. ReferralWOT
              ReferralWOT 13 August 2020 19: 44 New
              0
              for cans, there is already little space in the basement left_you look at those that were first rolled back onto the street you will have to roll out_yes and the battle for the harvest is not over yet
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 13 August 2020 19: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: ReferralWOT
        letting them go simply means openly admitting that everything that was done against them since the arrest was an empty empty space and not legality_a since Lukashenka still apparently hopes to calmly hold on to power, so he is in no hurry with them

        So these are his personal problems now. He got involved. He gave himself up to emotions. Now, from different kravchuk people must listen to all sorts of suggestions. You know, I remember Prilepin's words at the beginning of this crisis. "Let's see how he gets out of all this." Can we still do it? From the very first seconds I got the news about the detention, yelling like a madman at every corner about "GET THE GUYS ON A BUS AND IMMEDIATELY ON THE BORDER WITH THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION !!!" I immediately said that the guys had Russian citizenship. There was no information anywhere else. About their citizenship. Why I, a Russian builder, immediately realized what the question was. And here you are. The whole 26-year-old mastodon of politics has gotten into tomatoes. And let’s extinguish this miracle. And he is nervous. And tired. Pardon if he’s so problematic. How are you sitting there? And what are you now negotiating in Minsk? Mediator Mlyn the Great
        Prosecutors of Ukraine and Russia quickly come to me ... "
        laughing
  3. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 13 August 2020 18: 40 New
    12
    You might think that changing the location of the contact group will change something.
    And personally, I am against Western countries.
    1. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 13 August 2020 19: 03 New
      +1
      Good time. Minsk at the moment will have to be changed for two reasons: Detained Russians and Riots. Germany would, in principle, fit more. There are no former Soviet options (even Kazakhstan has been dark lately)
      1. Senka naughty
        Senka naughty 13 August 2020 19: 18 New
        0
        Good time. Minsk at the moment will have to be changed for two reasons: Detained Russians and Riots. Germany would, in principle, fit more. There are no former Soviet options (even Kazakhstan has been dark lately)

        Yes, Russian citizens are being detained in hundreds all over the world. And even if Lukashenka swallowed "dezu" about their involvement in the opposition, how should this influence the Minsk Group in Donbas? To be honest, I don't catch the logic.
        "Riots" - do you really think that several dispatched gangs of gastro-radio operators can influence the arrival of government groups? They are not given a handful of people on the streets, do you think they will go to storm government buildings? Correctly, someone has already written here, it does not matter where they meet, if no decisions have been made for 7 years. All this is tuftology and the next manipulations of Kiev.
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 13 August 2020 19: 51 New
          +1
          Sasha, Minsk is not just a meeting place, it is a guarantor of the negotiations and one of the guarantors of their implementation of the results (this is how it should be in theory). A good guarantor, who is currently being led on provocations and himself deals with civil disobedience. At the expense of a handful of guest performers, you are mistaken. The action is well planned and young people are drawn into it (the generation of Pepsi has grown up a generation of iPhones who believe that if the dad is thrown off, they themselves will be in chocolate right away)
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 13 August 2020 20: 36 New
            0
            As in Kiev, the Maidan grew sharply after the provocation of the conspirators in the Presidential Administration with the brutal dispersal of students, so in Minsk the brutality of the security forces alienated many. Coincidence?
            Lessons not learned lead AHL to very serious consequences.
            And the position of Yanukovych, when he didn’t start a violent dispersal, no longer looks quite a mistake ...
            But citizens, too, should not forget the lessons of the fact that the consequences of a violent overthrow of power are always dire. hi
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 13 August 2020 20: 53 New
              +1
              Quote: Alex777
              Lessons not learned lead AHL to very serious consequences.

              It seems that they are walking on a rake. Lukashenko has been written off. He only had to choose the way of leaving.
            2. zadorin1974
              zadorin1974 13 August 2020 21: 00 New
              0
              Good Alex. There is a concept-act of disobedience (today's strike at BelAZ) and there are riots (as we observe, when objects are thrown at employees, hit with rebar, hit by cars). Again we begin to look for an excuse for young people who, from excess energy and free time, are led on fairy tales and wet dreams? The law is harsh, but it is the law. Protesters began to be pressed immediately or did they physically resist at first?
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 13 August 2020 21: 14 New
                0
                As you can see from my comment, I am an opponent of coups.
                The protesters were pressed immediately or did they physically resist at first?

                Alas. They started pressing immediately. This is the character of the AHL. Gadsky.
                And the opposition to the police went on increasing as a reaction to its actions. AHL tied his blood with blood.
                Look what happened on the first night. It's all available.
                . Are we again starting to look for an excuse for young people who, out of an excess of energy and free time, are led to fairy tales and wet dreams?

                I have not seen such a mood among the Belarusian youth.
                The Ukrainian had it, no doubt.
                And the enterprises did not go on strike from the first day.
                I believe the AHL won the election. But he stupidly squeezed the patience of people with inflating the result to their favorite 80%.
                Quos Deus perdere vult dementat prius ...
                1. zadorin1974
                  zadorin1974 13 August 2020 21: 22 New
                  +1
                  On account of deprivation of reason, I agree with you Alex. But maybe you notice that God has deprived him of many. The majority of the population requests for a beautiful and comfortable life beyond merit? But this is a topic for another conversation. Good night.
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 13 August 2020 21: 33 New
                    0
                    Do the majority of the population have requests for a beautiful and comfortable life beyond what they deserve?

                    This is how the technology of attraction of the West is based on this "enticement".
                    If you want to live like ours, do as we tell you.
                    And then the carriage naturally turns into a pumpkin.
                    Because those who are being robbed (the republics of the former USSR), for the prosperity of the West, no one owes anything.
                    Goodnight.
                    1. zadorin1974
                      zadorin1974 13 August 2020 21: 36 New
                      +1
                      I wanted to add a little saying:
                      1. Lord of the Sith
                        Lord of the Sith 14 August 2020 07: 17 New
                        0
                        Well said! hi
        2. Revival
          Revival 13 August 2020 23: 52 New
          -1
          Do not catch?
          Russian citizens have been arrested provocatively, and we are gone to Minsk.
          Got it?
    2. iouris
      iouris 13 August 2020 19: 14 New
      +3
      Business travel will definitely be higher by an order of magnitude. And then the negotiations can be dragged out. And if Kravchuk gets sick, then medicine in Stockholm is more interesting.
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 13 August 2020 19: 42 New
        +3
        I don’t know what about the interest, but in Sweden there are zero cured of the virus and more than three times more deaths than in Ukraine. hi
  4. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 13 August 2020 18: 42 New
    -1
    I am for Kazakhstan as a negotiating platform !!! good
    1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 13 August 2020 19: 42 New
      0
      And what do you dislike about Belarus?
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 13 August 2020 19: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: Crown without virus
      I am for Kazakhstan as a negotiating platform !!! good

      I would venture to suggest that the same thing awaits them, if not like in Ukraine.
      1. Shilka
        Shilka 13 August 2020 19: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: Balu
        Quote: Crown without virus
        I am for Kazakhstan as a negotiating platform !!! good

        I would venture to suggest that the same thing awaits them, if not like in Ukraine.

        Oh Baloo, if the Kazakhs start something, there will be a bloody massacre sitting there in the fields of gas, oil, uranium .. And the vast territory is desolate and there is nothing special about borders
        Astana has been built closer to the borders of Russia, it’s like they’ll save it if anything .. heh heh
        Any gang will pass through Kazakhstan like a knife through butter and I think there is no need to say the direction ..
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 13 August 2020 20: 01 New
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          Quote: Shilka
          Quote: Balu
          Quote: Crown without virus
          I am for Kazakhstan as a negotiating platform !!! good

          I would venture to suggest that the same thing awaits them, if not like in Ukraine.

          Oh Baloo, if the Kazakhs start something, there will be a bloody massacre sitting there in the fields of gas, oil, uranium .. And the vast territory is desolate and there is nothing special about borders
          Astana has been built closer to the borders of Russia, it’s like they’ll save it if anything .. heh heh
          Any gang will pass through Kazakhstan like a knife through butter and I think there is no need to say the direction ..

          What are we talking about. As they say in Tatar villages, a good neighbor is closer than a relative. Flirting with NGOs does not pass without a trace, Belarus and Ukraine have demonstrated this in all their glory.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 August 2020 20: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: Shilka
          Any gang will pass through Kazakhstan like a knife through butter and I think there is no need to say the direction ..

          There is one interesting place there - the Great Dzhangarsky Passage.
  5. Baloo
    Baloo 13 August 2020 18: 44 New
    +5
    How many Ukrainian citizens were detained during the riots by law enforcement officers in Minsk? And the citizens of the Tribaltsia? And who are these unfortunates? Probably entirely intelligent people like doctors, teachers, engineers, musicians of symphony orchestras, famous artists ...
    So Ukraine and the tribalts with Poland do not recognize the elections in Belarus? sad
    1. Lumpen
      Lumpen 13 August 2020 19: 13 New
      +3
      In, exactly, but for some reason they show Russian "inmates" and who came to rest from Tver!
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 13 August 2020 20: 40 New
        -1
        Quote: Lumpen
        In, exactly, but for some reason they show Russian "inmates" and who came to rest from Tver!

        Showed. Pl to the federal channel. I don't have to go to bed.
    2. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 13 August 2020 19: 43 New
      +4
      These skakuasses pissed away their country, so they still climb to the Belarusians.
      1. Shilka
        Shilka 13 August 2020 20: 16 New
        0
        Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
        These skakuasses pissed away their country, so they still climb to the Belarusians.

        They crawl foolishly, the toad strangles them, just to make it bad for Russia, so let the neighbors get even worse .. Khutoryan psychology, well paid so far ..
    3. Shilka
      Shilka 13 August 2020 20: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Balu
      How many Ukrainian citizens were detained during the riots by law enforcement officers in Minsk? And the citizens of the Tribaltsia? And who are these unfortunates? Probably entirely intelligent people like doctors, teachers, engineers, musicians of symphony orchestras, famous artists ...

      Here's how many videos I've seen different .. There are the same thugs with aggressive faces!
      Where did they come from in Belarus all of a sudden? And how competently they move ..
      And the protests are something like this

      Here are the real protests .. Here only the puppeteers were silent and continued their dirty tricks on the collapse and robbery of the Great country .. And the seisas will not succeed until Russia is destroyed .. Ukraine, then Belarus, then more .. and EVERYTHING!
  6. businessv
    businessv 13 August 2020 18: 49 New
    +2
    In general, the meeting place of the negotiators does not play a decisive role. The result largely depends on the willingness of the parties to negotiate and find common ground.
    Absolutely right, Sergei! This is exactly what is not visible in the Square for all 6 years. Remained Kazakhstan, in view of the fact that the Square is already pretty tired of Europe. Thanks for the analysis of the situation and the article!
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  8. Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 13 August 2020 18: 58 New
    +2
    Stockholm instead of Minsk?

    Or maybe at Kravchuk's dacha, and a shish kebab and a wheelchair with an oxygen cylinder at hand. When this senile is already embalmed, how much naphthalene can be squeezed out of it ..
    I propose to hold meetings in Donetsk, so that at least for the duration of the meeting, they stop shooting at him, and they have already begun to invite representatives of Mariupol, Slavyansk, Severodonetsk. Discuss the liberation of the entire Donbass ..
  9. sergo1914
    sergo1914 13 August 2020 19: 00 New
    +4
    Maybe Yalta?
    1. Vadim Zhivov
      Vadim Zhivov 13 August 2020 19: 21 New
      +5
      What's the point? At least to the moon ... Chubaty are senile people who cannot speak, so it's useless to rearrange the beds ... hi
      1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
        Nikolay Ivanov_5 13 August 2020 19: 48 New
        0
        The situation is worse. Complete anencephaly reigns supreme in the Western elites.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 August 2020 20: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: sergo1914
      Maybe Yalta?

      Let's go straight to Nuremberg. So that everything falls into place.
  10. Karabin
    Karabin 13 August 2020 19: 07 New
    +4
    In general, the meeting place of the negotiators does not play a decisive role. The result largely depends on the willingness of the parties to negotiate and find common ground.

    What to negotiate about? The first point has never been fulfilled as a result of the Minsk gatherings. The last point, if anyone has read the agreement, provides for the return of the LDNR to Nenka. So Stockholm is a pleasant place in all respects for all interested and not so parties to continue the Minsk-pig format.
  11. Simon schempp
    Simon schempp 13 August 2020 19: 09 New
    -2
    Apparently, the unrest is on the decline, and the Belarusian law enforcement officers are excellent at coping with all threats.

    Ahahah. What?
    Have you opened Telegram long ago?
    1. Lumpen
      Lumpen 13 August 2020 19: 17 New
      -3
      Especially after the shots of "police lawlessness" lol
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 August 2020 20: 43 New
        -1
        Quote: Lumpen
        Especially after the shots of "police lawlessness"

        Since my cadet's times I remember the edification "Only salags can come into conflict with the police and patrols."
    2. RUnnm
      RUnnm 13 August 2020 19: 24 New
      +3
      And, well, in the telegram, you have already defeated everyone and everywhere, and ukrovoinstvo is already on the way to Smolensk!
      1. Lumpen
        Lumpen 13 August 2020 20: 02 New
        0
        I recommend with one eye to look at Nexta or Belarus of the brain, Nasha Niva, especially at the behavior of the traffic police, and you will be jerky!
        And then maybe we giggle!
        1. Lumpen
          Lumpen 13 August 2020 20: 17 New
          0
          I understand group detentions, suppression of mass riots, there can be whatever you want, but like this ...
        2. RUnnm
          RUnnm 13 August 2020 20: 23 New
          -3
          Yes, I can already see how this channel presents the material - a favorite technique - creating a massive effect. Well, it can be seen with the naked eye. And then, as they say in Russia about Navalny's rallies, a damned quadcopter appeared. And the inconceivable crowd in the photo becomes much smaller. Well, nothing new. Or from a single case, like that of the policeman who quit his job, urgently disperse the headline - "THE POLICE IS GOING TO THE SIDE OF THE PEOPLE!" Well, that's nothing new, compared to the Kiev Maydaun, there is no - trained activists, onyzhedeti, pensioners, attempts at sacred victims, etc.
          But the president refused to give the country for plunder
          1. Lumpen
            Lumpen 13 August 2020 20: 57 New
            0
            I also see this, but here it is not about the presentation of the material, for example, a video where the "devil" (you cannot say otherwise) in the riot police uniform pounds on passing cars, then they pack grandfather or under the bridge, where a freak with a pistol and a civilian "knead" the driver, is it not chaos? Not permissiveness?
            You have to understand that such cases embitter the people and feed the protest base!
            1. RUnnm
              RUnnm 13 August 2020 21: 58 New
              -3
              Yes, how many of these videos were ... with a cropped prehistory. Well, stop making me laugh.
              1. Lumpen
                Lumpen 13 August 2020 22: 31 New
                -1
                In the first case, the whole story was filmed from the balcony inside and out, the second from the "tamper" from a passing car
                This is what is etched into the memory
                1. RUnnm
                  RUnnm 13 August 2020 22: 52 New
                  -2
                  What do you want to prove to me? That the traffic cop started to mess with the people for no reason at all? Well, don't tell me at least. That these videos characterize consistency. ? Well stop it! Why don't you show the video of how "onizhedeti" the police are figuring out? How do motorists film a police hunt? Yes, since the 90s I have seen enough (not only on video) at such performances. Only choke. Only Tiananmen. These are the Vlasovites. Soros people. And no amount of exhortation will understand them. They need a lot of blood. Therefore, there is a choice, whose blood will be - theirs, or the sea of ​​blood of those whom they push in front of them.
                  1. Lumpen
                    Lumpen 13 August 2020 23: 08 New
                    0
                    Everyone has his own opinion.
  12. Bear040
    Bear040 13 August 2020 19: 11 New
    +4
    Sweden fell under the United States a long time ago, so it does not roll, and there is no point in conducting further negotiations with Bandera, since they are not interested in anything other than their own wishes and they do not want to take into account a different opinion
    1. Shilka
      Shilka 13 August 2020 19: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: Bear040
      Sweden fell under the United States a long time ago, so it does not roll, and there is no point in conducting further negotiations with Bandera, since they are not interested in anything other than their own wishes and they do not want to take into account a different opinion

      All right you think .. And Sudoplatov realized with Bandera that it was useless to negotiate and smashed their caches, only noise was standing .. But Khrushchev freed, and even gave the Crimea just like that ..
  13. Gardamir
    Gardamir 13 August 2020 19: 20 New
    +2
    Speaking of protests
  14. RUnnm
    RUnnm 13 August 2020 19: 22 New
    -3
    It's nice to see how non-brothers are in a hurry to ruin relations with Belarus! But I think that it is necessary to insist on Minsk. We, in reality, will not get anything from these negotiations, but we can well bind the AGG to ourselves with such a curtsy that costs us absolutely nothing.
  15. Prisoner
    Prisoner 13 August 2020 19: 39 New
    +5
    You can also go to Sweden. Only Kravchuk should not be given the Sputnik 5 vaccine within the framework of de-Sovietization. Let him play Swedish roulettelaughing
    1. thinker
      thinker 13 August 2020 20: 10 New
      0
      Well, somehow not humane! yes There is an ideal option - “Turkmenistan is the homeland of Neutrality”. And what is important - as of August 13, 2020, Turkmenistan recorded 0 cases of Covid-19 coronavirus infection. good
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 14 August 2020 04: 46 New
        0
        Thinker.
        As for the rating of insanity, Turkmenistan is the most promising place for continuing negotiations. And the virus is not there, but excavators dig graves at night. And people are forced to wear masks not because of infection, but because the dust is harmful to health.
  16. signifera
    signifera 13 August 2020 19: 40 New
    +2
    Why don't the parties to the conflict meet on the line of contact? Why go anywhere and attract third countries? Some kind of stupidity. This whole news show has no real summary and will last indefinitely.
  17. Egoza
    Egoza 13 August 2020 19: 53 New
    0
    Pan Kravchuk felt sick to go to Minsk. And in general .... in the same place the Belarusian Forest - they will dig in and there is a reason. Better to go to Sweden.
  18. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 13 August 2020 19: 54 New
    0
    Why not go to Fashington right away? And who gave him the right to decide what to transfer where? For his complicity in the collapse of the Union in general it is necessary to be against the wall.
    1. Kuzmitsky
      13 August 2020 20: 18 New
      0
      If you put everyone who is to blame for the collapse of the Union against the wall, the walls will not be enough. So we will not bet. And Kravchuk proposes options, because such "good neighbors" as representatives of Kiev will soon cease to be allowed into Belarus.
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 13 August 2020 20: 22 New
        -2
        Quote: Kuzmitsky
        as representatives of Kiev, they will soon stop letting them into Belarus.

        Why is this? Lukashenka will not be left for long and it will not be measured for long in days. The police are already actively winking at the protesters.
  19. bulava
    bulava 13 August 2020 19: 55 New
    -4
    Why Stockholm, let's just go to the barbecue area behind the White House.
  20. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 13 August 2020 20: 18 New
    -1
    ay yay yay))))) and with Luka velikoukry "they were like a **" ........ mdaaaaaaa ..... geniuses of diplomacy and negotiability
  21. Kibl
    Kibl 13 August 2020 20: 31 New
    +1
    And this ghoul went to the same place. He destroyed the USSR, what is next in line? In his place it is better to keep quiet, he does not have enough olive in the forehead for the entourage!
  22. fn34440
    fn34440 13 August 2020 20: 36 New
    +1
    Judging by the live broadcasts with Kravchuk's participation, this is an old dementized pots.
    Besides, ILLEGAL, like its predecessor Kucha.
    In addition, it is not decisive and does not have the right of LEGAL SIGNATURE, like his predecessor Kucha.
    Yes, and Stockholm needs kaklam, because. they were forgotten in Europe, but in the world and kaklam
    death is red.
    And babo is more convenient to beg in Europe, and not in deaf Minsk.
    And it turns out SHO NOW APU will be left without fuels and lubricants, MAZs, missiles, cartridges, small arms and other weapons, dry rations and so on. ?
    That TSE ZHRADA!
  23. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 13 August 2020 20: 45 New
    +1
    History has linked Russia, Ukraine and Sweden with blood for a long time. But everything was decided in the Battle of Poltava.
    If in Ukraine, I think with a mockery, they have already remembered Stockholm, then we also have something to remember! Several serious negotiations are known, for example between the USSR and the West, which were conducted on ships. The new Russian battleship Poltava, which took part in the parade on the Day of the Russian Navy, can renew the tradition and agree by offering its own negotiating platform.
  24. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 13 August 2020 20: 49 New
    0
    L. Kravchuk wants a "business trip to Stockholm" at the state expense. Will be alive (L. Kravchuk, 1934 issue) in half a year will propose to postpone the meeting of the Minsk Group to Nice or Marbella ... Karlovy Vary, there are so many good places in Europe for negotiations and rest after them ...
  25. German Titov
    German Titov 13 August 2020 20: 50 New
    0
    Quote: SRC P-15
    Kravchuk suggests Stockholm.

    Or maybe take the negotiators to the North Pole and leave them there until they agree !? yes

    Better to "neutral" between the lines of demarcation. "Feel" the silence mode.
  26. Zeev
    Zeev zeev 13 August 2020 20: 54 New
    0

    Apparently, the unrest is on the decline, and the Belarusian law enforcement officers are excellent at coping with all threats.

    Peaceful rallies against violence are now taking place in Belarus. Police violence. Small, of course, somewhere around a couple of hundred thousand people across the country from Brest and Baranovichi to Glubokoye and Bobruisk.
    1. fn34440
      fn34440 13 August 2020 21: 01 New
      0
      In Israel, everyone is now covered with a second wave of coronavirus. Not all of Israel. Somewhere around a couple of hundred thousand yesibotniki and their family members.
      They put their nose in the wrong place.
  27. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 13 August 2020 21: 05 New
    0
    I think it would be right in London .. in Madame Tussaud's wax museum !!
    - It's time for Kravchuk to turn into a wax figure.
  28. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 13 August 2020 21: 09 New
    -1
    Minsk-2 is approved by the UN for use. And who is Kravchuk? Heard not by earwassat
    And by the way, the legitimate and popularly elected President of Ukraine lives with us in Rostov, if anything ...
  29. Tank hard
    Tank hard 13 August 2020 21: 11 New
    +1
    In boxing there is such a concept - "downed pilot". This is Kravchuk in politics, he may and wants to see himself as a champion, but everyone knows that a loser cannot become a champion, no matter how he shone before. request Grandpa would be sitting on a pension. wink
  30. Pavel73
    Pavel73 13 August 2020 21: 32 New
    +1
    Stockholm isn't good. Too zhovto-blakitny.
  31. German Titov
    German Titov 13 August 2020 21: 32 New
    0
    The Ussuri tiger came to "Minsk", "Amba is called" (Soyuzmultfilm voice acting by E. Leonov). And what "entogo POTs" carried to Stockholm, immediately to Nuremberg (as for me it is better to the Tribunal in Donetsk). What it (Kravchuk) does not touch - turns into "impurities" (there are enough flights in front of the site, - "Aesopian language") To put it bluntly, "We" are denouncing the Minsk agreements unilaterally - "21" will crack (I am trying to be politically correct). Sign something, - they will write off as insanity. Somehow I read between the lines, "Schurs will climb after beggars in the fall. The cheerful head of the GUR was appointed. Not all the bureaucrats (to impose on the people) funeral orders. Fetfrumos ..... m (DMB) - (good luck). KHARKOV. We didn’t come to an agreement in ODESSA, - in Kryzhopol there will be nothing to talk about with the "Banderlog". We, like "Zheleznyak" - "We went to Odessa, - we went to Kherson." Speak directly, once a century we need "bribes", we are "velikoukry".
  32. German Titov
    German Titov 13 August 2020 22: 04 New
    -1
    Quote: Grazdanin
    Quote: Kuzmitsky
    as representatives of Kiev, they will soon stop letting them into Belarus.

    Why is this? Lukashenka will not be left for long and it will not be measured for long in days. The police are already actively winking at the protesters.

    These are your "wet dreams". Lukashenka is a "statesman", no matter how you mind. Even 10000 protesters are nothing before the collapse of the state - (nomadic clowns). Lukashenka is not Yanyk. The police will "wink actively", catching on "caches and weights". There, on occasion, say hello to the "pompous fool".
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 14 August 2020 01: 47 New
      -1
      You are very funny. Follow the news.
  33. German Titov
    German Titov 13 August 2020 22: 06 New
    0
    Quote: iouris
    This is what he wants to do with the Swedish socialism ?!

    Offer cheap "kravchuchki"
  34. Coconut
    Coconut 13 August 2020 22: 48 New
    0
    Kravchuk .. old fox .. turned the country in all directions trying to find that stone on which you can stand as a smart man said ... look for money ... you justly ask ... but what about people .. I'll tell you .. DO NOT HAVE ..on people ... since 2004 in the country of Ukraine there is only a struggle for power for the loot for a place under the olive branch .. and people are cattle (in the understanding of the authorities) .. it can be spilled .. break its morality to suit your interests. . to unscrew on a moral rack .. there is a weak hope that the people of Ukraine will perk up ... but the hope is very weak
  35. north 2
    north 2 13 August 2020 22: 54 New
    -1
    The place of negotiations is not important. The content of the negotiations is important. It is important that Russia in the negotiations
    represented by the notorious friendship of the so-called fraternal peoples a not suffering politician. It is important that this politician knew the true history of the Russian state about how the Ukrainian-Polish enemy tribe organized the Time of Troubles in Russia and then, when it could not take the Russian throne
    to plant the Polish King Sigismund, she put her Romanov there all the same. And that the Ukrainian-Polish all sorts of Belsky, Razumovsky, etc. surnames served the interests of Poland, and the Romanovs pretended not to notice. It is important that at the negotiations from Russia the politician understood how this entire Polish-Ukrainian enemy tribe under Khrushchev climbed into all the most important state posts of power in the USSR. How the entire Ukrainian tribe, led by Khrushchev, destroyed the memory and merits of Stalin, and the apogee
    the destruction of the great country was the Belovezhsky agreement and one of its main participants was just
    this Kravchuk. This is, in fact, the enemy of Russia. The enemy, in whose genes all Ukrainian-Polish
    age-old hostility to Russia. But if Russia creates Yeltsin's centers for one of the destroyers of the USSR
    besides cursing Yeltsin, how hard it will be for this politician from Russia in the negotiations, to put this Kravchuk in the place that is defined as the place of Russia's enemies. And with enemies, only an ultimatum from Russia is possible. It's time to put the Ukrainian-Polish enemy tribe in place, in the end. Why Kravchuk wants talks in Stockholm. Yes, because the Swedish king, by faith and
    the traitor of Russia Judas Mazepa, the hero of Present Ukraine, served as the truth.
    1. abc_alex
      abc_alex 14 August 2020 01: 36 New
      -1
      Quote: North 2
      The place of negotiations is not important. The content of the negotiations is important.

      I disagree. The location is extremely important. At least from a media point of view.
      Most importantly, Russia is not a party to the negotiations. She is a mediator. The DPR and LPR are parties to the negotiations. And they can simply close access to the EU. The main line of Ukraine and the Ukrainian media is precisely to present the negotiations exactly as negotiations between Ukraine and Russia. And the EU countries will definitely do everything in order to present the negotiations in this way.
    2. Cristall
      Cristall 14 August 2020 08: 31 New
      -1
      Quote: North 2
      how the Ukrainian-Polish enemy tribe organized the Time of Troubles in Russia and then, when it could not take the Russian throne

      Are these new Russian textbooks like this? Not surprised.
      They have nothing to do with their boyars. The damned West and Ukraine are to blame.
      This would not work for a strong state. It is worth looking for the reasons for the Time of Troubles in ourselves. In business inside. The RP-cause of the weakening of the RP was not. She used it, just as the RC used it against the RP in other times. And that's all. The last case is -2014. They used a similar "Troubles".
      Quote: North 2
      The Razumovsky, etc., surnames served the interests of Poland, while the Romanovs pretended not to notice

      Especially in the bed of an empress, or two empresses. Apparently for Polish interests.
      Quote: North 2
      This Polish-Ukrainian enemy tribe under Khrushchev climbed into all the most important state posts of power in the USSR

      And I've already heard the version that the Ukrainians destroyed the USSR. Only under the Ukrainian henchman, the golden era. Under the Georgian, modernization and victory. And with the Russian-collapse.Nichego..so soon Gorbachev will be declared Ukrainian and everything will be the same.
      Quote: North 2
      But if Russia creates Yeltsin's centers for one of the destroyers of the USSR

      then this is a dear partner. And if this is so, then he is his own. And these are the interests of the Russian Federation.
      Quote: North 2
      to the Swedish king by faith and
      the traitor of Russia Judas Mazepa, the hero of Present Ukraine, served as the truth.

      Holder of the Order of Andrew the First-Called and other Russian awards.
      I probably bought it on the market .. Yes, and the Dnieper towns with the future field marshal also tried for the Swedes.
      I did nothing for the RC. And for the Swedes, everything.
      It is a pity that in the Russian Federation they remember only one thing. And good deeds are not mentioned at all.
      By the way, even betraying, Mazepa worsened Karl's position by not leading him to Baturin right away.
  36. Revival
    Revival 13 August 2020 23: 42 New
    -1
    It seems to me that the politicians who are concerned about their reputation are not going to Minsk.
    Convenient, it turns out, an excuse for transfer
  37. Radikal
    Radikal 14 August 2020 00: 40 New
    -1
    In general, the meeting place of the negotiators does not play a decisive role. The result largely depends on the willingness of the parties to negotiate and find common ground.
    Is it necessary, and are they ready? To sell to one - to others .. to accept. And pour blood on the territory .... sad
  38. abc_alex
    abc_alex 14 August 2020 01: 22 New
    0
    Actually, the choice of such sites is quite large. The countries in which they are located must be suitable for a number of parameters. First, they are neutral towards all negotiators.

    Where is Sweden neutral in the Ukrainian issue? Sweden is one of the main conductors of the "Euroassociation of Ukraine". Moreover, no site in the EU can be neutral. If you choose something other than Minsk, then the place in Asia is Beijing, Shanghai, even Singapore. But definitely not Stockholm.
  39. Turist1996
    Turist1996 14 August 2020 07: 01 New
    0
    Kravchuk, as he was a Soviet functionary (in the worst sense of the word), and remained. Well, he would like to drive him to the "foreign" - and Minsk is completely "not that coat"! So I came out with a proposal.
    Again, the travel allowances are not in hryvnia, but in euros .. In short, a selyuk - he is a selyuk!
  40. zombirusrev
    zombirusrev 14 August 2020 09: 08 New
    0
    Grandpa Bandera, a scoundrel and a hypocrite ......... like all former party nomenklatura.
  41. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 14 August 2020 10: 59 New
    0
    It's funny that the chelik remembered by the epic division 25 years after the end of his activity was plowed up to an epic reunion :-) Apparently it became bad with the staff, at all ..
  42. 1536
    1536 14 August 2020 13: 14 New
    0
    Always wondering what a grandfather is doing in a Swedish family?
  43. Kushka
    Kushka 14 August 2020 14: 37 New
    0
    Well, they said it! Yes, Kravchuk is just an old hunter. Have seen his collection
    firearms - there are some remington in silver for 200 thousand dollars. is he
    participant of the Khrushchev and Brezhnev hunting amusements. And the people say
    fishermen, they are quiet, but hunters are violent, this is not treated.
    And they ate more than one pood of salt with Lukashenka. Grandfather miscalculated willingly,
    who could know about Minsk in advance. And then Zelensky called, and what is this
    just what you need (wedding general) - let the members "work out", and
    to shoot wild boars in the forest with daddy, to indulge in your arsenal.
    Not fused.
  44. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 14 August 2020 17: 51 New
    0
    Better just Paris, there are more attractions, you can ride for the state account in old age.
    Is it smeared with honey in the EU? Why not in Dushamba or Istanbul?
  45. boris epstein
    boris epstein 15 August 2020 16: 25 New
    +1
    "Initially, when we were just planning the first meetings to resolve the situation in Donbass, several options were considered. As a result, two of them were left - Belarus and Kazakhstan. We stopped in Minsk, apparently because it was closer and more convenient for all the participants in the negotiations."
    I propose instead of Minsk-Karlshorst and Zelensky in the role of Keitel followed by Nuremberg.