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Russian economy: recession today, relaxation tomorrow

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Surplus yesterday, deficit today



Socialism, by definition, is accounting and control. Was it really so and was socialism built in the USSR and the countries of people's democracies at all? Of course, one can doubt this. But there is no doubt that capitalism, as a rule, is false statistics (if competitors do not catch the hand) and the desire to pass off what is really desired.

Why such a lengthy introduction? And besides, with a considerable delay, the countries of the world, for the most part seemingly capitalist, began to report on crisis losses in the second quarter of 2020. The first about the fall in GDP by almost a third was bravely announced in the administration of Donald Trump, but now those "terrible" data are not confirmed by all analysts.

It is difficult to say whether abroad will believe in the data on the fall in Russian GDP, which has finally been published, as well as information on our budget, which, as expected, turned from a surplus to a deficit. Russia's GDP in the second quarter dropped by 9,6 percent at once. Not so bad compared to 32,9 percent in the United States, which has now become 20-25 and even 15-17 percent for many experts.

Russian 9,6 is not bad against the background of the British failure of 21,7 percent and 12,1 percent in the eurozone. The June indicator of a 6,4 percent drop in our GDP is much better than the May minus 10,7 percent, which can be taken as the first positive signal. Experts do have optimism about this, but very, very cautious.

Russian economy: recession today, relaxation tomorrow

Moreover, it is by no means June or the second quarter as a whole, when everything could be attributed to the crisis and quarantine, and July may turn out to be perhaps the most difficult month for the domestic economy and finance. In the Ministry of Finance, many specialists accompany the latest reporting with very pessimistic comments:

“The flywheel of the industry that has slowed down is spinning too slowly. What is happening with agriculture is not yet entirely clear, and the service sector, which seems to have revived, remains in a coma. However, the data on GDP in July will have to wait. "

At the same time, the specialists of the Ministry of Finance, however, and not only them, now have confidence that in July a drop in GDP will be recorded only in relation to July last year. In comparison with difficult May and June, it is quite possible to count on growth.

But if the data on the fall in GDP indicate that there are certain chances of getting out of the recession, then the situation with money in Russia seems to be much worse. It was in July that the largest increase in the budget deficit was recorded. An increase of 699,2 billion rubles at once means that in the very first month of the real exit from quarantine, it took truly unprecedented expenses to help the economy warm up.

It seems that in the days of tough anti-crisis measures, the authorities found it even easier in some ways, and by the end of the second quarter they managed to incur debts of only 823,1 billion rubles. And this is against the backdrop of an almost catastrophic drop in budget revenues. Where the money spent by the government went at the same time, the reports of the Ministry of Finance say very vaguely.

However, this is understandable: first of all, to fulfill social obligations and ... to support structure-forming enterprises and industries. Read: oligarchs. It is very likely that after several years, when Russia, even under sanctions, allowed itself the luxury of replenishing various kinds of reserves, the time has come to use these reserves.

However, if funds were spent and are being spent now with enviable generosity on the actual fight against the pandemic and quarantine horror stories, then the situation with anti-crisis infusions is completely different.

The Russian financial authorities more and more resemble a dog in the hay, which sits on trillions, but does not cease to refer to some very dubious data about the lack of free funds. Note, it is “free”, this word is now often used by the head of the Ministry of Finance, and the chairman of the Bank of Russia, and many of their subordinates.

Free, but not back-up. At the same time, legislators, who have real opportunities to influence even the work of the all-powerful anti-crisis headquarters, prefer to sit in parliamentary trenches. And not always in masks, as can be seen from television screens.

Do they hide anything from us?


As you can see, the government responded to a request from critics who demanded the truth about the fall in GDP (Doctor Delyagin's diagnosis. The disaster has already happened?). And she answered promptly. It would be nice to be honest.

Actually, bad the news recently they began to feed us with enviable regularity. In the creeping line on almost any TV channel, there will definitely be a place for reports on the number of cases and deaths from COVID-19. The search engine "Yandex" has completely singled out "Coronavirus" in a special news section, although they are in no hurry to make the mobile version happy in this way.

It seems that colleagues from the business media, as if on cue, were seized by fear of the coming second wave of coronavirus. And then there is the constant reminders of experts about “black August” and “alarming autumn” after every penny that the ruble occasionally loses at the rate against the dollar or euro. Exchange growth, supposedly low inflation and slowly rising oil prices are not soothing.

Even the last trifle from the economic news section turned out to be quite unpleasant. The pandemic and crisis seem to be robbing our financial authorities of their pride - perhaps the last. Low debt burden.

According to the latest statistics released by the Central Bank and the Ministry of Finance, Russia's net public debt has significantly exceeded liquid reserves, reaching 1 trillion rubles as of July 1,55.

This is not the first time that commentators from the power structures remind that the reason for the increase in net debt was not only the crisis, which was provoked by the coronavirus pandemic and strict quarantine, but also the fall in oil prices. The purchase by the government of a controlling stake in Sberbank from the Central Bank for 2,14 trillion rubles also played a negative role.

But something happened back in April 2020, and the funds were taken from the National Welfare Fund (NWF), which, according to the law, was not so easy to do. But it was done, and does this mean that the debt burden can be reduced at the expense of the same NWF? Moreover, the federal government's debt as of July 1 is 14,77 trillion rubles, which is more than a hundred times less than the US national debt.

At the expense of reserves, in principle, it is possible to fight the budget deficit, although borrowing is often much more profitable. Yes, the liquid reserves at our disposal are now only 13,22 trillion rubles, that is, 1,55 trillion less than the debt.

Independent experts are convinced that the emergence of net debt does not pose a significant threat to the economic system, as almost all countries of the world live like this. However, this is still a landmark event - the result of the economic crisis. How quickly the debt situation can be stabilized depends on too many factors.

Yes, no one is demanding immediate retribution, and in the foreseeable future it is unlikely that they will dare to demand at all. In addition, the very liquid assets of the government can be replenished with political will. Including from the reserves of the Bank of Russia. However, for this, it seems, the world needs to be turned upside down, and this kind of initiative cannot be obtained from any parliamentary party.


But even if a terrible thing happens and the instruction to the Bank of Russia "to help financially" still follows, you understand where, the board headed by the best banker in the world Elvira Nabiullina (Who will the Central Bank save: us or who it needs?) will probably be hard against. You must also confirm your legally established independence.

And to confirm it regularly. And to continue to reduce the money supply further, leaving in semi-poverty not only more than half of the country's citizens, but also the entire half-dead business - both small and even medium. The Bank of Russia prefers to act this way.

In the meantime, thanks to the increasing, almost complete freedom in dealing with currency, which is consistently promoted by the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, even during the crisis, big business continues to grow fat along with big banks.

They are simply cared for and cherished in the regulator's offices. But are they capable of becoming the locomotives of post-crisis growth? There are very big doubts about this.
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  1. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 14 August 2020 05: 29 New
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    Russian economy: recession today, relaxation tomorrow

    no
    Today - recession, tomorrow - collapse ... yes
    A smooth transition to a planless economy, the creation of small industrial production (for security purposes and to prevent the unrest of the hungry masses), unreasonable pricing and ersatz products will not bring anything good.
    And most importantly, the hypertrophied development of the economy, when it is dense here and empty there, will not lead to good.
    yes
    And then there's the coronavirus with US sanctions ... crying
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 14 August 2020 06: 06 New
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      ... Russian 9,6 is not bad against the background of the British failure of 21,7 percent

      It's just that the British have a place to fall! And the Russians have been there for a long time.

      Or maybe this is such a cunning plan of Putin? In order not to fall into a crisis, it is better not to get out of it at all. Moreover, in Russia there is a stratum of the population whose living standards are never worsened by any crisis. And this is also thanks to Putin! Let the British envy us !!
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 14 August 2020 07: 27 New
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        Quote: Stas157
        Or maybe this is such a cunning plan of Putin?

        Apparently, he has no plans at all ... well, except for personal ones .. maybe hesitates to voice them?
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 14 August 2020 08: 24 New
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          Quote: Svarog
          Apparently, he has no plans at all ... well, except for personal ones ..

          Oh, and the plan ...
          1. Sit in the presidential chair until the end of the term.
          2. Do everything possible so that the deadlines never end.
          There are really no plans in the development of the economy, production and science, and soon the developments hidden under the cloth by Soviet scientists and engineers will end, and then it will become completely clear what mountain and mountain what gave birth mole mouse.
          Sometimes you look like this:

          And you start to believe this ingenious:
          “Borisov is a talented official, he did a lot for the development of electronics in Russia. The appointment to the Military-Industrial Commission is a worthy assessment of his merits and professional qualities. "
          - Boris Avdonin, General Director of the Central Research Institute "Electronics"

          Or was Pushkin right after all:
          It’s not possible to harness one cart
          A horse and a quivering doe ...

          request
      2. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 14 August 2020 07: 31 New
        +1
        It's time to "dispossess" the Bank of Russia.

        The country's financial leadership needs to be changed!

        It is necessary to finance the real sector of the economy - these are new jobs!
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 14 August 2020 12: 22 New
          +3
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          The country's financial leadership needs to be changed!

          Even if it does change, then the social system is spelled out in the textbooks of Marxism for a long time ...
          1. Pirate
            Pirate 14 August 2020 12: 37 New
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            Where are we going this time? laughing
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 14 August 2020 12: 46 New
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              Quote: Pirate
              Where are we going this time?

              Apparently in the direction indicated by the CPSU (b). Alternative paths have already led us to wild capitalism, from which the majority suffered, I think people have grown wiser over the past thirty years.
              1. Pirate
                Pirate 14 August 2020 12: 49 New
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                And I realized back to a brighter future! good
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 14 August 2020 12: 52 New
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                  Quote: Pirate
                  And I realized back to a brighter future!

                  On the contrary - forward to a brighter future. You apparently have not studied anything from Marxism, which is why the term "spiral of history" is unknown to you in the context of the historical development of society.
                  1. Pirate
                    Pirate 14 August 2020 13: 04 New
                    -5
                    I didn’t study it, but I remember how we broke through to it with a fight, not everything broke through and it was all so treacherous that it slipped away from us like the horizon, but I believe this time we should be able to go from both sides then it will definitely not slip away laughing
                  2. Pirate
                    Pirate 14 August 2020 13: 33 New
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                    Tell me, have these people managed to achieve a bright future? In my opinion, they definitely managed to rise above the material, they became higher than this laughing



                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 14 August 2020 13: 38 New
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                      Quote: Pirate
                      Tell me, have these people managed to achieve a bright future?

                      And in Guatemala, too, thriving as in the United States?
                      I can't say anything about North Korea, but the fact that it is the leadership of South Korea that dreams of uniting with it suggests that not everything is so bad with the northern brothers - for example, the nuclear and rocket-building fields.
                      1. Pirate
                        Pirate 14 August 2020 13: 46 New
                        -1
                        Duck, here I am about the same, you can live in a thatched house, with amenities in a bucket on the street, but it's all material and therefore alien And the main thing is missiles, that's what you really need to be proud of. and the southern one is not. Now, if rockets appear in Burkina Faso, it will immediately become a superpower!
                        And do not listen to these idiots who say that a person should be in the first place, prosperity, medicine, education and then there is no rocket, the main thing is rocket, otherwise what else is proud of! And people can live not badly in straw!
                      2. ccsr
                        ccsr 14 August 2020 19: 14 New
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                        Quote: Pirate
                        And the main thing is rockets

                        It is the missiles and nuclear charges for them that give true independence to any state - this is how the world works, and even Trump is forced to communicate with the leader of North Korea, unable to make him curry favor with the United States. So rockets are primary in this world in defining true independence - you simply cannot comprehend it systematically.

                        Quote: Pirate
                        ... Now, if rockets appear in Burkina Faso, it will immediately become a superpower!

                        Of course, if they have nuclear weapons capable of destroying the United States, then Trump will negotiate with them, we saw this on the example of North Korea.
                      3. Grading
                        Grading 14 August 2020 19: 27 New
                        +5
                        Just look at Norway for example! How can they live without a vigorous bomb they give up to pay tribute to the FSA! All my life on my knees in a collar all the boots of the master licked ugh!



                        and some stupid people naturally included their Norwegian slaves in the list of the happiest countries for a considerable amount of money!
                      4. ccsr
                        ccsr 14 August 2020 19: 57 New
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                        Quote: Grading
                        All my life on my knees in a collar all the boots of the master licked ugh!

                        And we do not know how - this is not our choice. That is why we would rather die, but not for the sausage, but for the spiritual ideals that we have genetically laid down by Christianity in Russia and the subsequent code of the builder of communism.
                        Quote: Grading
                        Count Norwegians in the list of the happiest countries!

                        Licking American ass is certainly the ultimate dream ... But not for the Russian people.
                      5. Grading
                        Grading 14 August 2020 20: 57 New
                        +1
                        This is how Orthodox communism should be taken Naka Omerika good
                      6. unaha
                        unaha 17 August 2020 08: 40 New
                        +1
                        "And we do not know how - this is not our choice. That is why we would rather die, but not for sausage, but for the spiritual ideals that we have genetically laid down by Christianity in Russia and the subsequent code of the builder of communism." - but you can ask who "immediately to heaven" step aside, a little further, so that normal people are not hooked?
                      7. ccsr
                        ccsr 17 August 2020 10: 43 New
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                        Quote: unaha
                        but I can ask you

                        You can ask, only not from me, but from the majority of those who think the same way as I do.
                        Quote: unaha
                        who "immediately to paradise" step aside, a little further, so that normal people are not hooked?

                        Do not drift, you will not be hooked - experts say that "normal" cockroaches will survive even nuclear radiation.
                      8. unaha
                        unaha 17 August 2020 10: 48 New
                        +1
                        There is a problem - it will hook just normal ones. Those who cheerfully rejoice and drown for "patriotism" a little scatter in the bunkers and Australia. And they "lead" from a safe place, and are raked by ordinary people who did not at all strive to the front line.
                      9. ccsr
                        ccsr 17 August 2020 11: 24 New
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                        Quote: unaha
                        Those who cheerfully rejoice and drown for "patriotism" a little scatter in the bunkers and Australia.

                        This is the wrong address - I won't "run away" anywhere, I don't have a bunker, I don't even think about Australia, but I always remember that my ancestors died for the Motherland, and I remind my son of this.
                        Quote: unaha
                        but they are raked by ordinary people who did not at all strive for the front line.

                        With current armaments, no one will call you to the front line - everything will be decided faster than you think. But it is precisely the West's fear for its future that is the guarantee that they will not attack us - this is what you can proceed from if you are from "normal".
                      10. unaha
                        unaha 17 August 2020 12: 12 New
                        +1
                        "With current weapons, no one will call you to the front line - everything will be decided faster than you think. But it is the West's fear for their future that is the guarantee that they will not attack us" and not specifically about an armed conflict. Yes, and there will not be him (we do not consider the extremes of general insanity) - why? Burn your own assets in our country? And then look for someone who will work in our not very favorable conditions?
                        The line of confrontation today is not about weapons (which does not negate the minimum necessary and sufficient level of these) - the minds of people, the attractiveness of ideas, the level and quality of life, the ability to maintain self-esteem.
                        In Belarus, after all, there are no economic demands or Russophobia, people simply do not like when they are held for a wordless herd.
                      11. ccsr
                        ccsr 17 August 2020 12: 19 New
                        -8
                        Quote: unaha
                        - we are talking about general approaches, and not specifically about an armed conflict.

                        Common approaches are determined by the level of strategic weapons of any country - this is a fact that no one can refute.
                        Quote: unaha
                        The line of confrontation nowadays does not pass through weapons (which does not negate the minimum necessary and sufficient level of these) - the minds of people,

                        Tell this to those who believe that Trump is a dove of peace and went to Kim for talks only because he likes this leader, and not because Kim's missiles can already hit the mainland of the United States.
                        Quote: unaha
                        In Belarus, after all, there are no economic demands or Russophobia, people simply do not like when they are held for being wordless.

                        Who told you that? Lukashenka's demands on Putin are just about economic issues in the first place, and everything else is just a decoration. And I would not be so categorical about Russophobia, otherwise we would have had one country for a long time.
                      12. unaha
                        unaha 17 August 2020 12: 30 New
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                        "Yes, and about Russophobia, I would not be so categorical, otherwise we would have had one country for a long time." - why? Don't confuse economic interests with people's relationships.
                        One country would be in the case of sufficient attractiveness of the Russian Federation in all plans. And what can we offer the Belarusians (not Lukashenka, but the people)? The same political system as in Belarus? Permanent stagnation and crisis for every sneeze of the world economy? What is better with the Russian Federation than "with Europe" (just let's not "brotherly people")?
                        Are you ready to use our budget (which itself is based on mining) to pull the economy of the Republic of Belarus?
                      13. ccsr
                        ccsr 17 August 2020 18: 45 New
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                        Quote: unaha
                        Don't confuse economic interests with people's relationships.

                        How does a Belarusian differ from Russian, with the exception of the language dialect?
                        Quote: unaha
                        One country would be in the case of sufficient attractiveness of the Russian Federation in all plans.

                        Will you determine the love for your parents on what they have achieved in life? This is unacceptable to me, I don’t know about you.
                        Quote: unaha
                        And what can we offer the Belarusians (not Lukashenka, but the people)?

                        What do you have to offer your brother something to make him love you? In my family, my parents raised me on other principles, where the main thing was kinship, and not about who can give something to someone.
                        Quote: unaha
                        Are you ready to use our budget (which itself is based on mining) to pull the economy of the Republic of Belarus?

                        Not only is I not ready, but I also consider it vicious, because the Belarusians do not consider us brothers, otherwise they would have long since become part of Russia as Crimea.
                      14. unaha
                        unaha 18 August 2020 11: 11 New
                        0
                        "How does a Belarusian differ from Russian, with the exception of the language dialect?" - "citizenship")))
                        "Will you determine the love for your parents on what they have achieved in life? For me this is unacceptable, I don't know about you." - these are personal relationships, in international to use them - to be very disappointed.
              2. Pirate
                Pirate 17 August 2020 12: 16 New
                -1
                Could you "come to naught" somehow quieter and farther somewhere in sparsely populated areas or at the bottom of the sea, while singing a urapatriotic song, taking like-minded people to implement this idea, absolutely good for all mankind? laughing
              3. ccsr
                ccsr 17 August 2020 12: 22 New
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                Quote: Pirate
                Could you "come to naught" somehow quieter and farther somewhere in sparsely populated areas or at the bottom of the sea, while singing a urapatriotic song, taking like-minded people to implement this idea, absolutely good for all mankind?

                Are you writing to me from the Promised Land? Do not drift, the fate of my country will not touch you, you have long found a place for yourself far from it.
              4. Pirate
                Pirate 17 August 2020 12: 25 New
                -1
                Oh, I ran into a psychic !? Wang is not there? About Kashpirovsky! How are things going with water recharging? laughing And so, today, who are the Jews to blame for everything? Can you read the entire list? laughing
          2. Pirate
            Pirate 17 August 2020 12: 42 New
            -1
            Blessed is the one who believes, to come up with a little world in a separate head is fine, but at least occasionally you need to stick your head out into reality laughing And the reality is that those on whom it depends when to press the button do not share your views, no, they of course pour all this crap into the fragile brain, but they themselves do not think so laughing and prefer to love the Motherland and contemplate you patriots from afar.
            And everything will end, as always corny, gradually the uraic delirium will dry up and only you will be left with turned out pockets and holes on your elbows and knees laughing but you already know who is to blame, right?
          3. ccsr
            ccsr 17 August 2020 18: 51 New
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            Quote: Pirate
            And the reality is that those on whom it depends when to press the button do not share your views

            It's shitty you listen to Putin's words, but sometimes he breaks through and he tells the truth about the fate of those who try to attack us.
            Quote: Pirate
            And everything will end, as always corny, gradually the uraic delirium will dry up and only you will be left with turned out pockets and holes on your elbows and knees

            It will not end - our oligarchs do not benefit from our people becoming impoverished, however, you will never understand this either.
            Quote: Pirate
            but you already know who is to blame, right?

            But not you, for sure - nothing depends on people like you, so hit the keyboard, although she hasn't added any mind to anyone yet.
          4. Pirate
            Pirate 18 August 2020 06: 34 New
            -1
            Who are the orderlies trying to attack you again? laughing
  • SAG
    SAG 14 August 2020 16: 36 New
    -7
    Quote: Pirate
    Where are we going this time? laughing

    As always in the cloaca, for the exit from which you have to pay in blood. Gentlemen, all the propals, who have accumulated a carriage of history, have not been taught and do not understand the essence of what is happening. Each of them reminded me of Sharikov: “take everything and divide”. Responsibility for the consequences that they are not even given to realize, they cannot bear ... Then you can again throw shit on the fan and blame everyone for having destroyed the country.
    P. S: you can minus, I don't need respect from such people.
    1. Grading
      Grading 14 August 2020 17: 13 New
      -1
      But what about our achievements in the military sphere? We have not just surpassed everyone, we are already out of reach forever! For example, our Khibiny we do not need to develop anything else, we fly around the borders of NATO countries and their ships, and all this is enough! All the electronics on which triliards are sawn, goes out and turns off, the teams are written off to the shore and suffer from enuresis for a long time! everyone fears and respects us!
      1. SAG
        SAG 14 August 2020 20: 14 New
        -2
        Yes exactly. But Felicia America is our dream. It has existed for 150 years in its present form, but it is eternal, divine and exceptional. They are so rich there, not because they robbed and killed entire nations, but because potamushta are so clever and blaharod. They came up with a great dollar, not secured by anything, but also material, and for it we will find fault with everything and praise the zapadnaya, for it we are ready to betray and throw hafno on fentilatar, on all sites. Boche, keep the FSA and your favorite paper soldier
        1. Grading
          Grading 14 August 2020 21: 16 New
          0
          And the truth is we pray for the ruble stiff under the dollar for strengthening and expanding it
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 15 August 2020 11: 50 New
            +1
            The story about the Khibiny is a bad anecdote, but there are still people who believe in this story. Holy simplicity.
        2. Pirate
          Pirate 17 August 2020 12: 22 New
          -1
          does not think shallowly thinks powerfully, on a large scale, geopolitically but could benefit society and bring him into karma +
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 16 August 2020 06: 45 New
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    Quote: ccsr
    Even if it does change, then the social system is spelled out in the textbooks of Marxism for a long time ...

    I agree with you, in part. The fact is that some of the postulates of Marxism have shown their inconsistency. For example, the doctrine of the class struggle. People very easily flow from class to class. Or the classical postulate of the doctrine of value: where Value is labor embodied in a commodity. In today's conditions of production automation, the decisive factor is the share of energy invested in the production of goods. And finally: about the inevitability of the victory of Communism, the Capitalists came up with an alternative to Communism, it is called Digital Slavery.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 16 August 2020 09: 41 New
      -6
      Quote: aybolyt678
      The fact is that some of the postulates of Marxism have shown their inconsistency.

      So the founders directly argued that "Marxism is not a dogma, but a guide to action," and therefore none of the literate people thinks that in the 19th century they could foresee everything for many decades to come.
      Quote: aybolyt678
      In today's conditions of production automation, the decisive factor is the share of energy invested in the production of goods.

      Here we can argue with you - what about the investment of interelektualny work, and its decisive role in scientific and technological progress?

      Quote: aybolyt678
      And finally: about the inevitability of the victory of Communism, the Capitalists came up with an alternative to Communism, it is called Digital Slavery.

      Even in slavish Ancient Egypt, tax collectors used numbers to calculate, so the current digitalization was not invented by anyone, it is only a consequence of technical progress and the desire of people to use the achievements of computer technology as much as possible. After all, you must agree that now it has become very convenient to work at home with your bank accounts than to run to Sberbank for any even insignificant money transaction.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 16 August 2020 12: 08 New
        0
        Quote: ccsr
        So the founders directly argued that "Marxism is not a dogma, but a guide to action."

        and the successors of the case turned into a dogma smile to reconsider tyama is not enough for any of today's.
        Quote: ccsr
        Here we can argue with you - what about the investment of interelektualny work, and its decisive role in scientific and technological progress?

        what has changed in the internal combustion engine over the past 40 years? what has changed in space engines? in some places there are breakthroughs at the intersection of sciences ... but these are just technologies. And what about access to information? he devalues ​​it in the sense that it is not so hard work with the help of modern technology. If we take electricity, then the cost of modern products in the end can be reduced to the total cost of electricity spent in the end and on intellectual work laughing And if earlier the capitalist appropriated the results of the worker's labor, now everyone is fighting for the appropriation of the right to dispose of energy flows - Chubais is an example of this. Baranovirus devalues ​​the value of human life, and Africa blazes in wars over energy
        Quote: ccsr
        After all, you must agree that now it has become very convenient to work at home with your bank accounts than to run to Sberbank for any even insignificant money transaction.

        each time the check is beaten, the bankers are unfastened from one and a half to two and a half percent of the amount. For what? Transnational corporations as an inorganic form of life, having gained access to information about the capacity of markets, are building more and more supermarkets, leaving the Aboriginal people with the opportunity to engage in the service market laughing This is where slavery lies, because the extra natives will quickly die out against the background of external well-being.
        Quote: ccsr
        After all, you must agree that now it has become very convenient to work at home with your bank accounts

        it is even more convenient for them laughing They won
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 16 August 2020 17: 14 New
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          Quote: aybolyt678
          and the successors of the case turned into a dogma

          You cannot blame Marx for this, and this is obvious.
          Quote: aybolyt678
          what has changed in the internal combustion engine over the past 40 years?

          Judging by the fact that electric motors have squeezed them out in the automotive industry, they will be remembered about them in fifty years as we now remember about steam locomotives.
          Quote: aybolyt678
          each time the check is beaten, the bankers are unfastened from one and a half to two and a half percent of the amount. For what?

          For comfort.
          Quote: aybolyt678
          They won
          The tool cannot win - the one who owns it wins.
          And it was not they who won, but those who promised our people that under capitalism everyone would ride like cheese in butter, but the epiphany came quickly - back in the nineties. But the train left, and now most of them bite their elbows, and you can't argue with that.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 17 August 2020 12: 28 New
            -1
            Quote: ccsr
            You cannot blame Marx for this, and this is obvious.

            it's only our fault
            Quote: ccsr
            For comfort.

            if bankers do not pay they will start a war
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 17 August 2020 18: 38 New
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              Quote: aybolyt678
              it's only our fault

              You can’t argue with that.
              Quote: aybolyt678
              if bankers do not pay they will start a war

              In Soviet times, we also paid for money transfers - you probably forgot about that.
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 17 August 2020 20: 37 New
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                Quote: ccsr
                You can’t argue with that.

                I'm not here to argue about obvious and well-known facts, but in order to subject them to analysis, synthesis and analogy to tie them to the current situation. After all, the teaching of Marx today is of little interest to anyone. And what needs to be done to make it relevant? Why did it become a dogma after Stalin's death? This is interesting ... It's a pity that Marx did not communicate with Sergeev Savelyev, a scientist who studies the laws of brain development. Maybe Capital would be different.
                Quote: ccsr
                In Soviet times, we also paid for money transfers

                printing money is more expensive than writing ones and zeroes in a computer. Now we not only pay for translations, we pay for everything literally several times. For example: I am an entrepreneur, I pay income and social services 4,6 thousand rubles. I got to the hospital (supposedly free) MRI free of charge after 2 months, paid at once - 4 thousand BUT I pay taxes !! social sphere is just for medical care !!! Pay for each banking operation, this is in addition to the 2,5% that they withdraw from the cash register. And the amount of cash is decreasing. Moreover, they understand the market capacity and this information becomes available to their affiliated retail chains. More and more retail chains with owners abroad.
              2. ccsr
                ccsr 18 August 2020 12: 35 New
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                Quote: aybolyt678
                Example: I am an entrepreneur, I pay income and social services 4,6 thousand rubles. I got to the hospital (supposedly free) MRI free of charge after 2 months, paid at once - 4 thousand BUT I pay taxes!

                You are not only an entrepreneur, and you are not alone in paying taxes - I also pay. Completely free medicine was abolished in our country back in the nineties, when insurance policies were introduced that do not cover ALL medical services. So either pay large sums of money for insurance out of your own pocket, or study Marx carefully, and then you will understand that capitalism has never guaranteed humanism towards members of society - there is a different law. What are you not happy with - the fact that we do not have socialism, or the fact that capitalism personally showed you its grin?

                Quote: aybolyt678
                After all, the teaching of Marx today is of little interest to anyone.

                This is the trouble with all our mourners - they have lost him, and now they whine that they have to pay for everything.
                Quote: aybolyt678
                More and more retail chains with owners abroad.

                This is a consequence of globalization - what surprises you about it? Well, what claims can you make to Marx if he warned that capital strives for growth in order to monopolize industries, in order to then dictate its prices to the consumer. In Russia we now have a classic confirmation of all the postulates of Marxism, and only naive and illiterate people do not see this. They themselves studied Marxism, and to what extent, so as not to see the obvious?
              3. Karenius
                Karenius 18 August 2020 13: 05 New
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                Dear ccsr!
                With all due respect to you personally, I want to say that they got their so-called. Marxism ... Is it really not clear that Mordahai was just a mouthpiece for the Maydaunians of the 19th century ... And he did the work about which, half a century after his maximum Khevolutionary activity, Wilhelm Marr noted that Russia is the last bastion in Europe .. ...
                From your judgments today ... it is surprising that the export of Russian gold makes you delighted ...
                Good luck!
              4. ccsr
                ccsr 18 August 2020 13: 31 New
                -1
                Quote: Karenius
                With all due respect to you personally, I want to say that they got their so-called. Marxism ...

                Yes, I didn’t get it with Marxism, but Marxism got it for all ignoramuses who didn’t want to study it and found themselves at a broken trough in modern Russia.
                Quote: Karenius
                From your judgments today ... it is surprising that the export of Russian gold makes you delighted ...

                You probably don't know the business well, that's why you didn't understand that on the LAST gold sales we had such a margin that we could not have imagined when we bought it from our gold mining companies, paying them in rubles for the reclaimed gold. In the spring, when the coronavirus hit all the economies of the world and the price of gold soared, it was just that time to sell a PIECE of gold in order to get the currency and use it to the maximum to compensate for our losses. It was a very successful operation, considering that the purchase of gold on a large scale began two or three years ago, when its price was stable and did not grow at such a pace. It is strange that such an obvious benefit is surprising to you, especially given the fact that gold production in our country is constantly growing.
              5. Karenius
                Karenius 18 August 2020 13: 56 New
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                About the so-called. I will not explain Marxism, Wilhelm Marr wrote everything for understanding ...
                Quote: ccsr
                You probably don't know the business well, that's why you didn't understand that at the LAST gold sales we had such a margin that we could not have imagined when we bought it from our gold mining companies, paying them in rubles for the washed gold

                What business is, I knew 30 years ago ... even then we could convince in the hospital ward to break the contract with the Western giant and sign with me ... A month later I read an interview in the central publication of the chief from Westerners that "to work in the Union do not know how..." :)
                It was a prelude ... And now the main thing ... Why export gold at all? This is the same "gas station" according to Obama ... It talks about the worthlessness of the real economy ...
              6. ccsr
                ccsr 18 August 2020 14: 11 New
                -1
                Quote: Karenius
                About the so-called. I will not explain Marxism, Wilhelm Marr wrote everything for understanding ...

                And that we should pray for him as for Marx? Do you think he alone could understand Marxism? I do not believe.

                Quote: Karenius
                Why export gold at all?

                Gold is just a commodity and should be sold when it is at its peak and you have problems within the country. Ordinary citizens do the same, they keep a stash in dollars for a rainy day - I saw such people and I know when they bring money to the exchanger.
                Quote: Karenius
                This is the same "gas station" according to Obama ...

                This Obama talker - don't refer to him ...
              7. Karenius
                Karenius 18 August 2020 14: 20 New
                +1
                Quote: ccsr

                Gold is just a commodity and should be sold when it is at its peak and you have problems within the country.

                It is not necessary to say that gold is just a commodity ... Gold is natural resources, and they should reach descendants ... And if there are problems in the country, then it is from the country, and not from problems ... To eat up gold is a lot of mind not required...
                According to Obama ... He is right, Russia will destroy itself in this way ... I repeat ... I have a feeling that your leader is working for someone else, and his task is not to form orderly ranks of former imperials in spirit, and then with age, they will become very few ...
              8. ccsr
                ccsr 18 August 2020 18: 58 New
                0
                Quote: Karenius
                Gold is natural resources, and they should reach descendants ...

                Diamonds, silver, platinum are also natural resources and are also a commodity, so you should not think that they must be saved - there are reasonable ratios of accumulated wealth, including currency, and they must be observed, and not "wasted over gold."

                Quote: Karenius
                And if there are problems in the country, then it is from the country, and not from the problems ...

                Can you name at least one problem-free country?
                Quote: Karenius
                According to Obama ... he is right, Russia will thus destroy itself ...

                Do you count him among our benefactors, or have you identified him as the new Nostradamus? In general, I do not take his "forecasts" seriously, however, no one bothers you to listen to him.

                Quote: Karenius
                I have a feeling that your leader is working for someone else,

                I will not talk about my feelings, but simply note that you better take a look at the results of our elections, and if you find an alternative to it, then try to convey this to our citizens. Maybe they will listen to you ...
              9. Karenius
                Karenius 18 August 2020 19: 02 New
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                On the last point ... the Belarusians, too, like 80% counted a week ago ...
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 18 August 2020 13: 53 New
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    Quote: ccsr
    They themselves studied Marxism, and to what extent, so as not to see the obvious?

    candidate minimum of the beginning of the nineties. No country has ever had pure socialism or capitalism. There are their elements: medicine. education, housing ... etc ... Libya has never positioned itself as a social country and under Muammar Gaddafi there were many socialist goodies, up to free housing. But in the USSR Brezhnev had self-sufficiency and cost accounting, brigade succession ... which were elements of capitalism in a not very harmonious planning system, when the bourgeois structure was slowly maturing. Now in Russia there are less and less elements of Socialism, and without it there will be no development in Russia! it will be sold. I will repeat my claims to Marx, once again, I have no! I have complaints against modern economists and political scientists that they cannot adapt the doctrine of Value to modern realities, so that a guide to action appears again! I like Popov's definition of Socialism better, where he says that Socialism is the prevalence of the public over the personal.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 18 August 2020 14: 06 New
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    No country has ever had pure socialism or capitalism.

    Pure material does not even exist in nature - why should such a social order be?
    Quote: aybolyt678
    But in the USSR Brezhnev was self-sufficiency and cost accounting, brigade in a row .. which were elements of capitalism

    And under Lenin, did the NEP not give the same thing? I don’t see the problem that under socialism there are elements of the capitalist system - for example, in the GDR it was all the time. Where do you see the problem?
    Quote: aybolyt678
    Now in Russia there are less and less elements of Socialism, and without it there will be no development in Russia! it will be sold.

    Was it difficult to imagine in the nineties, when we abandoned socialism? It is foolish to deny that Russia is developing, and you yourself understand that. You are outraged by the fact that the results of this development are unevenly enriched by the citizens of the country, but in no country in the world there is such a thing, even in Norway, if you carefully study their experience.
    Quote: aybolyt678
    I have complaints against modern economists and political scientists that they cannot adapt the doctrine of Value to modern realities,

    This is generally purchased hired personnel - what complaints can sane people have against them?
    Quote: aybolyt678
    I like Popov's definition of Socialism better, where he says that Socialism is the prevalence of the public over the personal.

    Well, we had it after the October Revolution - what is the novelty of Popov? By the way, who is this?
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 18 August 2020 15: 06 New
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    To listen to you so in general everything was always fine laughing especially now smile
    Quote: ccsr
    Well, we had it after the October Revolution

    after the revolution we had joint wives and the theory of a glass of water actually
    Quote: ccsr
    What is the novelty of Popov?

    dialectics read the path to truth.
    Quote: ccsr
    This is generally bought hired personnel

    I mean the scientists of the Academy of Sciences
  • ccsr
    ccsr 18 August 2020 19: 09 New
    -1
    Quote: aybolyt678
    To listen to you like that in general, everything was always fine, especially now

    I am a realist and demagoguery does not work on me - either we return to socialism with its shortcomings, or we live under capitalism and do not cry that we feel bad about it. There is no other choice - I hope you understand that.
    Quote: aybolyt678
    after the revolution we had joint wives and the theory of a glass of water actually

    Don't talk about these extremes - I hope you yourself understand that the advantages of a social system are not judged by this example.
    Quote: aybolyt678
    I mean the scientists of the Academy of Sciences

    Even in Soviet times, some academicians were carried away, and even their "doctrine" did not justify itself so much that I don't even want to talk about Aganbegyan or his students - social science in our country was highly politicized and it was a mistake of the leadership of the CPSU. Do you think our "social activists" are better now? I don’t believe it, especially in light of the fact that the Academy of Sciences itself has become a great feeding trough for some academicians and their relatives.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 18 August 2020 21: 27 New
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    Quote: ccsr
    I am a realist and demagoguery does not work on me - either we return to socialism with its shortcomings, or we live under capitalism and do not cry

    disadvantages of socialism? laughing Do you know the Victory Day holiday, Mr. Realist? the presence of this holiday proves the advantages of the socialist system. It was after the cleaning of biological waste in 37 .. I am also a realist, and I understand that capitalism is tenacious, but you cannot give medicine to Mamon, I speak as a specialist. All medical operations and procedures must be equally accessible, otherwise there will be a legalized division of people according to their wealth, in fact, they are recognized as more valuable for society, and this is already disguised fascism. It's the same with education, it should be available, anyone. The degree of accessibility is determined by the degree of efficiency and desire of the young applicant for knowledge.
    The worst thing about capitalism is advertising. No advertising advertises a product as such, it advertises a way of life, thoughts. She, like an information virus, cultivates the ideology of consumerism, no worse than communism was cultivated during the late USSR. Probably even better. BUT the difference between consumer ideology is not that it unites society like any other. but divides it into separate individuals! I am not for your sad socialism, I am for its best elements - medicine education, ideology of social significance.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 19 August 2020 11: 00 New
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    disadvantages of socialism?

    Do you think this demagogic question surprises me? There is no perfection in the world, which means that shortcomings are inherent in any social system, you just need to choose the one where there are the least of them.

    Quote: aybolyt678
    Do you know the Victory Day holiday, Mr. Realist?

    I know perfectly well - my grandfather and uncle died at the front before they lived to see him, but my father and other relatives, participants in the war, were more lucky - they saw him and instilled in me respect for this day.
    It may be enough to engage in verbiage, and if you really want to scratch your tongue, then ask questions to the point.
    Quote: aybolyt678
    All medical operations and procedures must be equally accessible, otherwise there will be a legalized division of people according to their wealth, in fact, they are recognized as more valuable for society, and this is already disguised fascism.

    This was available under socialism - what prevents the people from returning to it, can you explain it in a responsible way?
    Quote: aybolyt678
    The worst thing about capitalism is advertising.

    You know Marxism is shitty, because advertising existed in the Soviet Union, and there was nothing terrible, but the reason for the stratification of society was precisely capital, which was used to exploit those who did not have it. It's strange how you passed the candidate minimum ...

    Quote: aybolyt678
    I am not for your sad socialism, I am for its best elements - medicine education, ideology of social significance.

    "You either take off the cross, or put on your panties ..." (c) say in such cases.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 19 August 2020 12: 55 New
    0
    Quote: ccsr
    You know shitty Marxism because advertising
    ?? lol you read carefully and not scratch your tongue and comfort your vanity. I'm talking about the ideologization of society through advertising.
    Quote: ccsr
    It's strange how you passed the candidate minimum ...
    even weirder that the degree received
    Quote: ccsr
    the reason for the stratification of society was precisely capital, which was used to exploit those who did not have it.
    it is strange to hear from a connoisseur of Marx that capital can be the cause of the stratification of socialist society. Capital is the aggregate concept of means of production, labor (and its reproduction) of a raw material base, energy infrastructure ... Capital in a socialist society serves for development, improvement of conditions, etc. ..... The reason for the stratification of society in the USSR was people sitting on distribution material goods, access to luxury, and not the capital that was the people laughing

    Quote: ccsr
    then ask questions to the point.
    you essentially read them. Carefully.
    Quote: ccsr
    "You either take off the cross, or put on your panties ..." (c) say in such cases.
    - is it a claim to be a professional demagogue?
  • ccsr
    ccsr 19 August 2020 13: 20 New
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    it is strange to hear from a connoisseur of Marx that capital can be the cause of the stratification of socialist society.

    Do not distort - it was about a capitalist society, not a socialist one, in which capital itself was absent from the population.
    Quote: aybolyt678
    Capital is the aggregate concept of means of production, labor (and its reproduction) of a raw material base, energy infrastructure ...

    It’s as if you didn’t study Marxism, as it was in Soviet universities:
    Capital (German Kapital, French capital, initially - the main property, the main amount, from Lat. Capitalis - the main) - self-increasing value, or value that, as a result of the exploitation of hired workers, brings surplus value. Expresses the social-production relations between the main classes of bourgeois society - capitalists and wage workers.
    Capital is a historical category, that is, it is characteristic of a particular socio-economic formation.

    Maybe at least carefully study this and understand that your rantings about socialism and capital are inappropriate?
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 18 August 2020 14: 22 New
    -1
    Quote: ccsr
    In Russia we now have a classic confirmation of all the postulates of Marxism, and only naive and illiterate people do not see this.

    Well, where is the confirmation of the postulate of the class struggle, you are our wise and highly literate ??? even invented a foreign term classless for some population groups. People very easily flow from class to class. What did Marx say about this? Yes, nothing .. The study is more than a hundred years old, a huge amount of material has been accumulated, but there is no movement! Even Stalin spoke about the political economy of socialism - "Without theory, we are dead." All scientific achievements of the last fifty years were born only at the junctions of sciences. It is necessary to combine sociology and economics with biology and cosmology; new directions must be sought.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 14 August 2020 22: 19 New
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    Quote: Ilya-spb
    It's time to "dispossess" the Bank of Russia.

    The country's financial leadership needs to be changed!

    and what will it change? someone else to make richer? the question is completely different: How to create conditions for the proper functioning of the economy? I believe that the answer is in the tight binding of the ruble to the kilowatt.
  • Victor67
    Victor67 15 August 2020 14: 10 New
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    Do not forget to put on your cap and get drunk when you go dekulakize !!!
    And also look at the news from Belarus on YouTube, how do the specialists on the streets deal with such comrades, maybe it will cool down a little, by the way, do you have enough jobs there in St. Petersburg at factories? Open NN, choose the nearest factory, specialty (if you have one) and go from the couch to work !!!
  • dog of war
    dog of war 14 August 2020 14: 18 New
    +8
    Putin always has a very challenging plan.
  • siberalt
    siberalt 14 August 2020 06: 32 New
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    It is not clear how much GDP growth from the service sector? If everyone starts to manicure their toenails three times a day in a beauty salon, will Russia's GDP skyrocket? winked Somehow the money already earned from the production of surplus value is paid for services.
    1. Pirate
      Pirate 14 August 2020 08: 16 New
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      I completely agree with you, look what the fraudster is doing and the bankrupt Musk says that he is building a factory for his defective tesla, says the hydrocarbon will soon end, but we know that all this is filmed in the Hollywood pavilions where they will freeze completely without our gas and oil. wink
      1. Grading
        Grading 14 August 2020 16: 56 New
        +2
        Ha Tesla, and you saw their rockets, it's a solid photoshop, and you know why they came up with the idea of ​​returning the first stage, but they just don't have enough metal to build new ones! How do you like that!
        And the engines they fly only on ours to get it, they are ready to crawl on their knees!
        But the most important thing is that we came up with all this back in the distant 20 years, and they vile stole all this Yeltsin sold them for sure! But we are smarter and always one step ahead, we are almost ready for intergalactic flights!
        Our secret is holy water!
        1. SAG
          SAG 15 August 2020 01: 07 New
          -1
          You deserve to live in their greatest country, a stronghold of democracy and sfapots. You only have 98653 times to lick them. I'm sure you will succeed, you are a pro good
          1. Grading
            Grading 15 August 2020 05: 38 New
            -2
            Are you a secret employer of the decaying West? laughing
            1. SAG
              SAG 15 August 2020 12: 57 New
              -1
              No, I’m Putin’s shpien, akhent of the Kremlin who appear everywhere with paranoia. I can recommend you a good clinic for examination good
              1. Grading
                Grading 15 August 2020 14: 31 New
                -1
                Well, if you checked it yourself, then of course laughing
                1. SAG
                  SAG 16 August 2020 00: 54 New
                  -1
                  You talk to "you" with the same selling sixes. I don't know you, and there is no desire hi
                  1. Pirate
                    Pirate 18 August 2020 06: 39 New
                    -2
                    Here are those on the weirdo and to whom did you write all this and how obosr ...... decided to leave the topic? laughing
    2. forest1
      forest1 14 August 2020 08: 27 New
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      I'll tell you a secret, the service sector also produces surplus value. And to live without hairdressers, artists, engineers, officials, bosses, doctors and teachers who are not engaged in production, having dinner on a lathe and walking in the mine, is somehow sour. Stores also do not produce a product, but you still go to them
      1. Alf
        Alf 14 August 2020 20: 31 New
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        Quote: forest1
        I'll tell you a secret, the service sector also produces surplus value.

        True, but only when this sphere is within reasonable limits.
        1. Grading
          Grading 14 August 2020 20: 59 New
          +1
          I'm embarrassed to ask, is the position of the main determinant of intelligence not yet occupied?
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 14 August 2020 22: 26 New
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        Quote: forest1
        I'll tell you a secret, the service sector also produces surplus value.

        I will also tell you a secret that Money is born only when physical Goods are produced - products of labor intended for exchange. You will not fill the economy with money with services. As well as commodity money. For raw materials are not a product of labor - they are already there! In our time, the product of labor can be considered only that which includes education, energy, raw materials, industrial infrastructure ...
        1. forest1
          forest1 15 August 2020 07: 45 New
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          In fact, they fill it. If only the need for physical goods was satisfied at a normal level. The rest is services. Services are also buried in the price of any product. And in fact, there is often no physical difference between the processing of goods and services. This is a conditional classification. Even programmers despite the fact that they write code. Press down on the keys. Approximately the same thing is done as the operators of modern computerized power units, for example
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 15 August 2020 13: 31 New
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            Quote: forest1
            Services are also buried in the price of any product.

            do not confuse Cost and Price. Cost is measured in man-hours and energy, and Price is in money and depends on supply and demand
            1. forest1
              forest1 15 August 2020 13: 35 New
              +1
              You are trying to juggle. The cost from the ordinary point of view is the price multiplied by the quantity of goods. You all seem to adhere to the labor theory of value. It's not bad of course. But there is no need to change the terminology rigidly.
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 15 August 2020 19: 45 New
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                Quote: forest1
                The cost from the ordinary point of view is the price multiplied by the quantity of goods.

                exactly! when the party leaders gave the term an everyday meaning, and lost the core around which it was necessary to build a socialist economy. And now the capitalist is crumbling, because they equate watermelon with carbohydrates ...
    3. evgen1221
      evgen1221 15 August 2020 05: 52 New
      +1
      In the modern world, with its current high-performance machine tools and machines and medicine, many people are not required in production as in the beginning of the 20th century. And what do people want? And what to do with them? - the service sector and it is the niche of employment of large masses free from the machine. And there is nothing wrong with that, the main thing is to correctly build the starting conditions by the state and ensure the collection of taxes while observing the brink of robbery and development. Humanity will fly into space en masse, all these shopkeepers will be blown off the colonists.
  • Pirate
    Pirate 14 August 2020 06: 46 New
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    It's not clear how, but before they said that the sanctions are in our favor?
  • Civil
    Civil 14 August 2020 07: 37 New
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    1. Even such an experienced informator as Mishustin, yes, he, together with Bukaev, rose to the organization of databases on taxpayers by assigning TIN, how can he raise the economy?
    2. All average officials have been sitting on organized schemes for a long time, since the 2000s, why would they need to change something in the intraministerial cash flows.
    3. The selection of personnel has stopped, managers are simply changed from time to time within the System.
    4. The main body of middle management personnel has not changed since the times of the USSR and is inherited.
    5. Well, the "blue dream" of every official is to cut money and dump it on the damned West. Fortunately, there are many examples, and the children are there. In order to somehow change life, small and medium officials in many ways deny themselves to send a child to the West. Who is who, and they know the truth about the economy and society in full.
  • Pirate
    Pirate 14 August 2020 08: 47 New
    12
    Here's a look at our intellectuals won't let you lie wink

  • Pirate
    Pirate 14 August 2020 09: 00 New
    +4
    And look what a stunning leap we made in the fight against poverty, the last decisive assault is about to begin; the west is drowning in envy laughing

    1. TuM0305
      TuM0305 14 August 2020 11: 31 New
      -8
      What do you suggest to sit on the couch? What city are you from?
      1. Pirate
        Pirate 14 August 2020 11: 34 New
        +8
        I propose to rally around the national leader and strengthen with spiritual strength laughing
        1. Civil
          Civil 14 August 2020 11: 39 New
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          Quote: Pirate
          I propose to rally around the national leader and strengthen with spiritual strength laughing

          Oh, like-minded person! I warmly support, together with United Russia - we will not ride with a pan, we will ask to raise more taxes and introduce the retirement age from 100 years. wink
          1. Pirate
            Pirate 14 August 2020 11: 43 New
            +5
            Full approvals where you can sign good
            1. Civil
              Civil 14 August 2020 11: 46 New
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              Quote: Pirate
              Full approvals where you can sign good

              Yes, right on the back of any commercial patriot, the pen is stuck in by previous speakers)
          2. Pirate
            Pirate 14 August 2020 11: 49 New
            +5
            In general, I think you can't stop there in the matter of tightening the belts, you need something that has no analogues in the world! laughing
          3. Pirate
            Pirate 14 August 2020 11: 56 New
            +5
            A big lover of meetings with journalists, various interviews and press conferences, Nikita Sergeevich Khrushchev once convened a regular press conference. Correspondent of the newspaper "Figaro":
            - Mr. First Secretary, is it true that you recently announced a rise in gold prices?
            - Yes it's true. We want the price of gold to approach the price of gold on the world market. This in no way affected the well-being of the working people.
            The Evening Post correspondent:
            - Mr. First Secretary, is it true that you raised the prices for wine and vodka products?
            - True. But we did it in order to combat alcoholism, and this in no way affected the well-being of the working people.
            Associated Press correspondent:
            - Mr. First Secretary, is it true that you raised the prices for furniture?
            - True. But we raised prices only for imported furniture, our domestic furniture is of excellent quality, and this also did not in any way affect the welfare of the working people.
            Some correspondent sits and sleeps. Suddenly he opens his eyes and asks, asleep:
            - Tell me, have you tried them with dust? ...
          4. Pirate
            Pirate 14 August 2020 13: 01 New
            +1
            Comrade Moduro advanced farthest in this socially useful business, these ideas came to him when he worked as a bus driver

            Now in Venezula there are no fat people there are no bourgeoisies now there are a lot of things there, or rather, there is not a damn thing




            just like the good old days laughing if only we do
          5. Alf
            Alf 14 August 2020 20: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Civil
            we will ask you to raise taxes and introduce the retirement age from 100 years.

  • Pirate
    Pirate 14 August 2020 09: 11 New
    +3
    In general, there are no such areas where we would not surpass the decaying West, for example, medicine, we invented a cure for caranovirus back in March, and the very first in the world and now we practically do not have this infection


    1. CBR600
      CBR600 14 August 2020 11: 36 New
      -1
      By the way, yes ... Has anyone thought about the "immunosuppressive effect of the vaccine"? Well, almost all of us have become a little more educated with this quarantine, and we know that it just reacts to the action of the body's immunity. But! This vaccine, it seems to me, is not a deception of the virus, but of the whole organism. In fact, the vaccine causes AIDS, I will admit, of course, controlled immunodeficiency. I'm not a doctor, I'm sorry, but it's getting ss yk! Tno.
      Surely, I'm wrong, I want to believe that everything is fine. Someone from the doctors explain to pzhalsta. The topic is already on the article.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 14 August 2020 22: 31 New
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        Quote: CBR600
        By the way, yes ... Has anyone thought about the "immunosuppressive effect of the vaccine

        immunosuppression is required in some particularly reactive cases.
  • Far B
    Far B 14 August 2020 05: 40 New
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    Socialism, by definition, is accounting and control
    Actually, the slogan for the definition is to issue noncomilfo. Otherwise, you can damn it to something to come to. He will offer a beautiful prince to the lady's hand and heart, and she, accepting the offer, will literally understand it - it will be sad, right?
    Russian 9,6 is not bad against the background of the British failure of 21,7 percent and 12,1 percent in the eurozone
    Not bad only because they fell from a lower height, so there was not much to lose. However, with our efficient managers, we can expect that when the next bottom is broken, there will still be a lot to fall.
    In general, the Central Bank, headed by Zagibzadovna, has an extremely weak relationship to the economic bum that has developed this year. It was not Nabiullina who brought down the price of oil in the March negotiations with the Saudis; it is unlikely that she could have any influence on those negotiations at all; the decision on the introduction of underquarantine was also not made by her, but again, this is not her sphere of influence. So this year the Central Bank did not stand out in anything special: it conducted its usual anti-national activities. And the "black swans" were launched by completely different characters. Back in March I was interested in the question - for what? After all, it is clearly not casual - someone is stirring up something, and stirring up in a big way. Considering that there is still no answer, I can assume that the horror stories "about" black August "and" alarming autumn "are not just horror stories.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 14 August 2020 06: 23 New
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      If you play by someone else's rules, then why then be surprised at the result? I don't know if it will be better, but it will definitely be worse. So long ago tired of living guided by the slogan - "if only there was no war, we will survive the rest."
      1. Far B
        Far B 14 August 2020 06: 29 New
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        If you look closely, the war has been going on for a long time. And in this war, the Russian government from year to year successfully defeats its own people, inflicting serious losses on them.
        According to data published by the statistics department, in the first half of 2020, compared to the same period last year, mortality in Russia increased by 3,1%, and the birth rate fell by 5,1%. Most alarming, however, is the fact that negative demographic trends are rapidly increasing. In June 2020, the death rate was already 18,6% (or 25,5 thousand people) more than in June 2019.

        The result of the COVID-19 epidemic? Yes, but only partially. Rosstat keeps records of deaths from coronavirus infection and claims that in June 2020, it became the leading cause of death for 5448 people. It is believed that the coronavirus could become the main cause of death in another 1589 people, but Rosstat does not yet have the results of their tests for coronavirus. In 1399 cases, it is assumed that COVID-19 influenced the development of other diseases and complications that led to death. But it turns out that even if ALL of these people really died as a result of coronavirus infection, this is only one third of the "additional" June deaths! How do you explain the other two-thirds?

        25 thousand "additional" mortality in one month is extremely high. After all, if this mortality rate continues, this will lead to an increase in the number of deaths by 300 thousand people per year. Let me remind you that at the end of 2019, the death rate in Russia exceeded the birth rate by 317 thousand people. It turns out that the rate of extinction of a country can double in one leap!
        These are the words of Yu. Afonin, a State Duma deputy, a person, respectively, informed.
        And they all: "If only there was no war." Nu-nu.
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 14 August 2020 06: 34 New
          +4
          I agree completely. You yourself know the slogan is not mine, but something more and more often the content of our media comes down to it.
        2. mark2
          mark2 14 August 2020 06: 50 New
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          These are the words of Yu. Afonin, a State Duma deputy, a person, respectively, informed



          Are these deputies informed? Nu-nu
          1. Far B
            Far B 14 August 2020 06: 58 New
            +8
            No, well, of course, before you they are - like cancer before the moon. It’s not to them, to the committees, but to you, right for breakfast, various ministries and departments provide pieces of paper with numbers. Not they, but you have the right to make a service request, to which any official is obliged to answer. All information from all over Great Russia flows only to you. Next to you they are rootless huskies, but they are already there. You, with your capabilities, will right now refute all the figures of Deputy Afonin at once! Or not?..
            1. mark2
              mark2 14 August 2020 07: 35 New
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              And it's none of your business that flocks to me.
              I don't respect myself with believers at my word in debates.
              The ability to make a request does not mean that it will be made and that the answer will be true. How did you decide that Afonin told you the truth? Why do you take his word for it, although there is no way to check or refute. Because you are a believer?
              Here every day and in this article they say that the authorities are lying. And on the fly, everyone believes a certain deputy Afonin.
              Why is any negative information perceived as truth more likely than positive?
              1. Far B
                Far B 14 August 2020 07: 51 New
                +5
                And it's none of your business that flocks to me
                Absolutely on the drum that flows to you laughing You slurp it, and you swim in it.
                I am with believers at my word in debate to speak not to respect myself
                Duc cho are you entering? Don't you respect yourself yet? Well, your right.
                How did you decide that Afonin told you the truth?
                He didn't say anything to me personally.
                Why do you take his word for it, although there is no way to check or refute. Because you are a believer?
                No, because he was told this publicly, and no one denied his data, although there are plenty of people who have access to this information. By the way, you are one of them.
                And for God's sake, don't be so nervous. Do not want to believe - do not believe. If you want to check - go to the Rosstat website. The quote clearly states:
                According to data published by the statistical office
                What's easier, then?
              2. Aag
                Aag 14 August 2020 12: 50 New
                +4
                "... Why is any negative information perceived as truth more likely than positive? ..."
                Because looking around you find a lot of confirmation.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 14 August 2020 07: 32 New
        +7
        Quote: NDR-791
        If you play by someone else's rules, then why then be surprised at the result?

        Yes, they play by their own rules .. It's just that the opinion of the slaves is of little interest to them .. After all, no one prevented them from investing money in their own economy with a barrel of 100 bucks .. but they continue to export it over the hill ..
      3. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav 14 August 2020 10: 15 New
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        this is what people in the regions say whose salaries are in the region of the average for Russia - 40000
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 14 August 2020 06: 45 New
    +4
    It seems that colleagues from the business media, as if on command, were seized with fear of the coming second wave of coronavirus.
    They are simply preparing the people for the next self-planting. For the absence of muzzles, the authorities got millions of rubles. Only now people have no money and they cannot hold on. And if they put them at home under the same conditions, survive on your own, then the people will begin to make room for the migrant workers so beloved by the authorities.
    1. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 14 August 2020 08: 07 New
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      Quote: Gardamir
      For the absence of muzzles, the authorities got millions of rubles.

      And how much they got for their presence .... It smells of billions here. In a day. yes
      1. depressant
        depressant 14 August 2020 14: 20 New
        +5
        And I don't buy masks. For a long time, for some reason, I bought a pack of 10 pieces, and now I just wash them in hot water and soap. Anyway, they are unlikely to be protected from anything ...
        So, I wrote it and I thought: how will Sobyanin read it? He is not only a masked king, but also the head of the state headquarters for the elimination of the consequences of the coronavirus. He will read it and say: oh, so! And right there the headquarters set up a law, according to which I am obliged to wear respiratory-type masks, and they cost from 300 to 600 rubles, or even more. And Sobyanin will start producing them! And on each in a conspicuous place, for example, on the nose, the expiration date will be stamped with indelible paint. Let's say until August 20. And on the 21st I will be fined for wearing an expired mask. They'll see it on the nose.
  • Pirate
    Pirate 14 August 2020 06: 59 New
    +7
    Coincidence I don't think laughing

    1. Svarog
      Svarog 14 August 2020 07: 35 New
      +9
      Well, they work so effectively .. a couple more years of such efficiency and we will heal like this ..
      1. depressant
        depressant 14 August 2020 14: 24 New
        +5
        Svarog, are you lucky to see how they work? Effective too? Such a significant event should have been removed on a mobile phone and placed here)))
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 14 August 2020 14: 26 New
          +5
          Quote: depressant
          Svarog, are you lucky to see how they work? Effective too? Such a significant event should have been removed on a mobile phone and placed here)))

          It's sarcasm laughing hi
          1. depressant
            depressant 14 August 2020 14: 53 New
            +5
            Colleague, of course! Me too wassat
            What else remains for us?
  • Pirate
    Pirate 14 August 2020 08: 10 New
    +7
    Here's what is still not clear, those who should have "not gotten off with only tomatoes" are doing unthinkable lewdness laughing
  • parusnik
    parusnik 14 August 2020 08: 14 New
    +5
    We will lose again ... they will be undressed again ... Want the 90s ... please, just without shootings and everything else that was inherent in those years ..
    1. depressant
      depressant 14 August 2020 14: 41 New
      +3
      No shootings?))) Under my window the kids were shooting half an hour ago, the dogs were howling. This is how I decided at first. I looked out the window, which is categorically not recommended to do at the sound of gunfire, and there are no kids there. And then shots were fired from somewhere on the side. Without voice guidance. Well, well, just like 2008. Then the people fired at the banks - they trained.
      And another sketch from the life of a political backwater. An old plum is being sawed under another window right now. One saws, the other two cheerfully give directions. I decided that there were three of them. Looked out, and there are five of them! Three of ours and two young Tajiks. They stand with an independent air, they spit insolently - Putin ordered them to open the way, Putin is their president! Chief and asks one, they say you know how to saw? He silently and reluctantly took the power saw and began to finish the tree. I went into the room from which you can hear how they shoot)))
  • Pirate
    Pirate 14 August 2020 11: 42 New
    +3
    Quote: Civil
    Quote: Pirate
    I propose to rally around the national leader and strengthen with spiritual strength laughing

    Oh, like-minded person! I warmly support, together with United Russia - we will not ride with a pan, we will ask to raise more taxes and introduce the retirement age from 100 years. wink

    We have just a little bit left to reach unprecedented peaks of that very bully
  • CBR600
    CBR600 14 August 2020 11: 54 New
    +1
    disposal of the people. too proud and strong, there is cheaper and weaker. if you think about the word - RUSOPHOBIA, this is not Russia, this is Russian. war is not against territory, but against the population.
    1. Pirate
      Pirate 14 August 2020 11: 59 New
      0
      That is, the people who chose the government, which, in turn, created the conditions for utilization, voluntarily decided to self-utilize?
      1. CBR600
        CBR600 14 August 2020 12: 05 New
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        The article was about the continuity of power. We, as a people, cannot choose our own government for ourselves, in our country. Well this democracy will happen, but in such a country! What will happen to the rest of the world? Uncle, what are you talking about ?! And litter for the tautology.
        1. Pirate
          Pirate 14 August 2020 12: 26 New
          +1
          And what is it about you people then it happened that you were chained in chains where you are kept in the dungeons or forced to choose the hated power at gunpoint, or maybe it's Omerika's fault?
  • Tests
    Tests 14 August 2020 12: 15 New
    +1
    Our statisticians at the federal level have forgotten one thing - the Supreme Commander gave a lot to the heads of the regions. And each governor creates as his team wants. An example, please: In Severodvinsk, COVID-19 falls ill in 2 - 5 people a day, in Arkhangelsk there are now dozens of cases. All shops and fitness centers were opened in Severodvinsk on Monday. But cinemas and libraries are closed ... And even today no one can say anything for sure about the beginning of the school year in schools. There was a proposal that no more than 15 people would sit in the class. And the classes are recruited at 30-32, with the norm according to SANPIN - no more than 25 students. These teachers will work in 2 shifts. And the work of a teacher is hourly - 18 hours a week, with such a class filling he will work 2 times more. And overtime work per day according to the Labor Code of the Russian Federation for hours in a row, how should the employer pay for it according to the Labor Code of the Russian Federation? How will the regional budget of the subsidized Arkhangelsk region pay? Our officials have not thought about it ...
    1. Pirate
      Pirate 14 August 2020 12: 28 New
      +1
      Precisely it is necessary to further strengthen the vertical of power of Putin as governors of all regions and mayors in all cities
    2. CBR600
      CBR600 14 August 2020 12: 41 New
      0
      The SS has already reported to the Muscovites. There will be no September 15th. But he also did not say about September 1st. Although he said classes will be.
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 14 August 2020 13: 18 New
        +1
        Yeah - a recession ... A new buzzword in the liberal journalistic environment ... Gentlemen, journalists, you better tell people about the recession to people in Bentleys and Mercedes 600s - those who walk in gold, eat from gold and sleep on gold - what is it recession ... I think they will laugh for a long time ...
  • lapwings
    lapwings 14 August 2020 13: 25 New
    +6
    The unprofitableness of Gazprom did not prevent its management from raising revenues. The first half of the year ended for the company with a net loss of almost 300 billion rubles.

    In six months, 14 members of the company's board have earned 1 billion rubles, Gazprom said.

    The salaries of top managers were reduced by 17,2%, to 363,5 million rubles. However, the company compensated for the "shortage" with premiums, the total amount was almost doubled and amounted to 602,9 million rubles (against 338,1 million last year).

    "Other types of remuneration", which Gazprom does not specify, soared almost 6 times - from 15,3 to 88,4 million rubles.
  • Tests
    Tests 14 August 2020 15: 14 New
    -2
    Pirate, dear, you are not an hour a civil servant? Or are you a municipal employee? You post comments one after another, as if you are paid based on the amount you paid for "VO", or you have a carriage time and ... Do you get a salary for an hour outside Kiev? ... In the Russian Federation over the past 20 years, I have not met good boyars. If you met - I am very glad for you, you seem to be lucky ... I did not write about strengthening the vertical of power, these are your thoughts ... I think, perhaps I am mistaken that the Supreme Commander gave all the power on quarantine measures for covid-19 governors, including because in each region - you know what and how to do, well, the Supreme Commander himself, if the people are not satisfied with the measures taken, will grumble at the chief sanitary doctor of the region and the governor.
  • Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 14 August 2020 17: 48 New
    -4
    Red-footed liberal women, of course, will crow, as always, but in reality the Central Bank is behaving incomparably better this year than before. https://t.me/m2econ/1063 Well, in general, this channel has regular reviews with the pleasant surprise of the author
    1. c2020
      c2020 19 August 2020 22: 35 New
      0
      As always, everything will end with the Forester coming and expelling everyone ...