"If they give up Russian fighters, they will still get an embargo": Western press about the Su-35 for Indonesia

Indonesia is between a rock and a hard place: if it refuses to purchase Russian Su-35 fighters, thereby avoiding the imposition of American sanctions, then in the long term it may well find itself in a broken trough, faced with a Western embargo. That is, even if it refuses to buy Russian fighters, Jakarta will face a Western embargo.

As indicated by the publication Fighter Jets World, the dependence of this country on Western technologies has already shown itself "in all its glory." In the 1990s, as conflicts with Australia escalated, an embargo was imposed on Jakarta by the United States. As a result, the country's Air Force found itself "in a joke", being unable to rise into the sky due to the lack of necessary spare parts and maintenance. As a result, Australia, without firing a single shot, gained significant air superiority over its neighbor.

It was this embargo that made Indonesia turn its eyes to Russian-made equipment. Gradually, the Su-27 and Su-30 fighters purchased from the Russian Federation became the basis of the country's air force. Since then, nothing has changed: Russia, unlike the West, "has no comparable practice of imposing such embargoes on customers of its defense products."

The Indonesian authorities are well aware of this, so a tough struggle is waged in their ranks for the choice of supplier. Thus, Defense Minister Prabovo Subianto recently announced his intention to buy out the entire fleet of Austrian Eurofighter Typhoon fighters (15 units) instead of purchasing the Su-35. However, lawmakers declined to back the idea, pointing to an initial commitment to buying 11 Su-35s.

From our own words, we note: it should be borne in mind that relations with neighboring Australia are far from idyllic. Canberra has launched a large-scale program of forced restructuring of the armed forces: literally all segments of the defense are subject to modernization, starting from the small weapons and ending fleet... In these conditions, it is hardly necessary to hope for the support of the West. And the sanctions and embargo behind him, as they say, will not rust.

Comments

[svp67]

You will go to the right ... you will fall under the sanctions, you will go to the left ... you will fall under the sanctions, but if you go straight, it is in your interests ...

[Boris55]

Quote: svp67

and if you go straight, yes in your own interests ...

All the same, you will fall under the sanctions.

[For example]

There are planes for the Papuans, and for us palm sour cream and ice cream.
And a man from the Kremlin will once again say that palm oil is not harmful.
Maybe well they fuck these Papuans?

And you get the more planes the Papuans have, the worse the food in our stores.

Let them buy for rubles. And everyone will be happy.
Well, except for those who are going to buy a house in the schools or send the kids to London to study.

[Piramidon]

Quote: For example

Let them buy for rubles.

To buy for rubles, you first need to buy these rubles, but they have no money, only oil.

[Alber alber]

Let them sell oil at least for a dollar, at least for a ruble, than a palm tree is worse than any other vegetable oil, and then for denyuzhku, for a ruble, let them buy Sushki

[AML]

Quote: For example

And you get the more planes the Papuans have, the worse the food in our stores.

What does the oil have to do with it? I demand to ban the release of knives from them a lot of everyday life

[Ka-52]

And a man from the Kremlin will once again say that palm oil is not harmful.

A riddle for the liberoid public: I wonder if it is so harmful, then why the main consumers of PM are not the Russian Federation, but the United States, China and the EU? Did the template break you by accident?

[Pereira]

They themselves are devouring and trying to plant Russia so that it is not so offensive.

[5-9]

"You don't understand. This is different !!!!!!" :)))

[Mikhail Ya2]

There are different varieties of palm oil and there are strict regulations in the EU which can be imported and for what purposes

[igor67]

Quote: Ka-52

A mystery to the liberoid public: I wonder if it's so harmful

I don’t know about harmful, but from personal experience, my family gathered to give meat, I usually light coals with sunflower oil, in short, I took a bottle of oil outside, and it began to paraffin in the sun, and the amount that I had time to shake out onto the coals did not burn at all, in short, I read it, but this palm oil did not know how to use it and threw it away

[Ka-52]

I light the coals with sunflower oil

ANY vegetable oils contain trans fats... In sunflower and rapeseed oil (which is also used in counterfeit products to counterfeit sunflower and butter, and for some reason you cannot hear screams against rapeseed), there is no less trans fat than palm oil. Why are trans fats dangerous - google help)

[Terran]

I am always amazed by such dull "experts", they say, we have such high-tech products, and they give us palm oil! This is the level of a first grader who, when asked which is heavier - a kilogram of fluff, or a kilogram of iron, are convinced and unshakable that a kilogram of iron is, of course, heavier! If this product costs MONEY FOR THE SAME AMOUNT, and even more so if you still buy it for your industry (even if not you, so the company of your country), then what's the difference? Barter is not an exchange of stickers, it is the same trade, just without intermediaries (central banks of states that print papers). And half of the world trade in this way, China, Iran, Malaysia, Indonesia, practically all of Africa, etc., etc. It's just one of the types of trading in certain conditions.

[donavi49]

So it was initially good. But then the EU introduced restrictions on the purchase of palm trees. From which Indonesia and Malaysia began to protest violently, write to the WTO, UN and throw European suppliers in competitions.

That is, with a quick and profitable implementation (as originally planned, the sale of goods on the exchange) - did not work out. And now they want to split the commodity part into various components (spices, but in Indonesia they are garbage, goods for industry are the tastiest, well, a palm tree), partly to sell on stock exchanges, partly to buyers in the Russian Federation.

[APASUS]

It's nice to read, especially about how they pour into their ears about market institutions, market laws and such nonsense! It turns out that when the Americans need it, no market is fucking needed and democracy and rights are not even remembered, they go into open threats and blackmail.

[Sibguest]

Apparently, the sellers of Eurofighter Typhoon promised the Indonesian Defense Minister a non-acidic rollback - so he spawns caviar ... uh-uh - palm oil.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Sibguest

The Eurofighter Typhoon sellers promised the Indonesian Defense Minister ...

They also promised to use the modernization for some money ... If I'm not mistaken: the Austrian Eurofighter from the German order, the aircraft of the initial series are far from multifunctional today, and to put it mildly they are already fifteen years old. Austrian women are still investigating the history of their acquisition, God help them

[rotmistr60]

For example
the more planes the Papuans have, the worse the food in our stores

Judging by your knowledge of economics, you are not far from the real Papuans of New Guinea. Don't be so derogatory about Filipinos.
About the article. When you are between a rock and a hard place, you choose the lesser of two evils. Because embargo is inevitable, then you can safely buy Russian planes.

[Pereira]

When you're between a rock and a hard place

Like an owl on a stump, like an owl with a hemp, the owl cannot fly.

[impostor]

Don't be so derogatory about Filipinos

And Manila, what side to the proposed deal between Moscow and Jakarta ?!

[Rakovor]

The person confused a little, it's okay, it happens. Vaughn, "For example" generally considers all Indonesians as Papuans, although they find temples there older than ours.

[rocket757]

It remains to wait and see how events develop.

[Asad]

That’s what can’t be done, it’s waiting for our authorities! Persuade, bribe, and other things necessary in these matters! The defense is not much where we can make money.

[rocket757]

It is we, from the outside, we can only wait ... and those who are supposed to, let them rustle as they should.

[yfast]

Quote: Ka-52

And a man from the Kremlin will once again say that palm oil is not harmful.

A riddle for the liberoid public: I wonder if it is so harmful, then why the main consumers of PM are not the Russian Federation, but the United States, China and the EU? Did the template break you by accident?

200 million Chinese will die from palm oil, China will not notice.

[ximkim]

That's right. The United States does not just sell weapons and does not change palm oil (only for oil and even more valuable resources) And weapons, these are not flowers and potatoes, They think to whom and for what to sell weapons. Selling weapons is hard money.

[Wolf]

Another one of the US fraud. :

That's right. The United States does not just sell weapons and does not change palm oil (only for oil and even more valuable resources

Yes, the United States, for example, give weapons to Israel, but papausi (a US citizen) pays from the US budget, and there is no one who just put a knife under the throat and kindly asks to buy for 1.0z0x00000000.
They just donate and sell it, and they independently determine the price and the purchase condition, and if you don’t like it, you’ll get it in the head!
If lead on a day, they are forced to buy and according to their prices and conditions.
Only a stronger country will be able to refuse an excellent proposal from the United States, or a country who has a strong power behind its back.
There is a whole day of arms trade in the USA.

[Wolf]

AX is a new God and he determines everything in this world and trade conditions.

[ximkim]

Quote: Wolf

Another one of the US fraud. :

That's right. The United States does not just sell weapons and does not change palm oil (only for oil and even more valuable resources

Yes, the United States, for example, give weapons to Israel, but papausi (a US citizen) pays from the US budget, and there is no one who just put a knife under the throat and kindly asks to buy for 1.0z0x00000000.
They just donate and sell it, and they independently determine the price and the purchase condition, and if you don’t like it, you’ll get it in the head!
If lead on a day, they are forced to buy and according to their prices and conditions.
Only a stronger country will be able to refuse an excellent proposal from the United States, or a country who has a strong power behind its back.
There is a whole day of arms trade in the USA.

It turns out that the arms market is occupied by the United States: you can't beat it off with a smile and giggle, you can't resell it to everyone, the security balance is above all.