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Tukhachevsky's ghost roams Russia

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Tukhachevsky's ghost roams Russia

The ghost ... The ghost wanders across Russia. He looks into hangars, at the parking lots of equipment, at design bureaus and institutes and mutters something rather. Apparently, everything goes the way he likes.


A ghost in a budenovka, a long-length greatcoat, chrome boots, outwardly very reminiscent of the would-be People's Commissar Marshal Mikhail Tukhachevsky.

Why is that? Because in reality, a lot of coincidences take place today in terms of the development of the most "newest and" unmatched in the world "weapons. Too many, I would say.

Let's rewind the tape of time and fast forward to those very 30s of the last century. It would be very nice to see what was happening then and compare with what is happening today.

And since 1930, a construction orgy began in the Soviet Union. Built Tanks and planes. Tukhachevsky generally demanded to build 122 aircraft and 000 tanks. During the first five-year plan.


They say that Hitler cherished plans to conquer the world, having built as many as 1.09.1939 tanks by 2/977/100. What then was going on in the head of Tukhachevsky, who demanded 000 tanks from Stalin? At a time when Germany had none? And the country's army numbered ... 100 thousand people!

That is, for every German soldier a Soviet tank had to come out. Wow ambition, right?

As a result, the Red Army received many samples of excellent technology. From which 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX there was absolutely no benefit.


T-35. A ceremonial mastodon, not fit for anything but parades.

T-37 and T-38, amphibious tanks, which were used in 4 years of the war in one single operation. 2670 pieces of T-37, 1430 pieces of T-38.

BT-7, wheeled-tracked tanks, which were not used as wheeled ones. Due to the elementary lack of roads. 8 249 pieces of all modifications.

TB-1 and TB-3, the prototypes of strategic bombers, completely defenseless and useless. 212 TB-1 and 818 TB-3.

Dynamo-reactive guns of the Kurchev caliber from 76 mm to 500 mm, which were not shoved anywhere.

T-27, tankettes, which were unsuitable even for fighting the Basmachi gangs. 3 155 pieces.

And there are many other, no less interesting, iconic and completely useless durovs that swallowed up a lot of metal, money and man-hours.

But now I do not set my goal to once again disturb the spirit of Mikhail Tukhachevsky, because there is absolutely no need. The concern is that his followers are currently continuing to work - not entirely, however, it is clear, for the good of whom.

And since executions today are unrealistic, the followers of Tukhachevsky can calmly do their job. To create all these anti-tank guided torpedoes, universal guns, radio-controlled boats, cardboard tankettes - everything that was stamped in the USSR before the war.

Although you must admit, a decent truck, an armored personnel carrier, an artillery spotter and a radar station would be much more valuable.

The last one on the list was the T-27 tankette. And it happened for a reason. This caterpillar misunderstanding has already been written and even shown in paints.

Stories about weapons. Wedge t-xnumx.

It is impossible to add anything beyond what has been said, so ... So it remains only to answer the question: why, in fact, suddenly remembered?

And I remembered because last week at RIA “News"I saw another bravura urya-material. About our near future. About the combat robot "Marker", which was shown last year and which will be completed next year and will go into series.


And, naturally, it will defeat all our possible and impossible enemies. Because the "Marker" is a real robot, it does not need (almost) an operator, more precisely, the operator will only point to the target, and the robot will choose the path and everything else. Analyze the terrain, determine the most promising path, choose and apply the appropriate weapon.

In general, what a horror an intelligent robot ...

Already today "Marker" is able to "work" with small arms at ground and air targets, and in the future it will learn to operate with a grenade launcher.


Well, what can I say, we are talking in fact about those very tankettes of Tukhachevsky, only after 100 years. Only in a variation of a drone and kind of like with artificial intelligence. And an operator on the radio channel just in case.

It is worth recalling that the idea of ​​hordes of tankettes at one time suffered a crushing defeat. And not from the army. From the gangs, which not only did not have anti-tank weapons, they had nothing, except for rifles, machine guns and bottles of kerosene. And the Finnish war finally finished off the idea of ​​a wretched armored box with splinterproof armor. The idea of ​​a tracked machine gun has died.

And, after all, the newspapers of the thirties were probably noisy ... They're coming, going to replace the cavalry regiments of steel wedges and tanks, which ...


Which were incompetently burned out in the crucible of wars and conflicts, because there was no more wretched concept than a wedge, a wheeled-tracked tank and a floating tank.

And all the countries participating in World War II did without these freaks. Even we, although we have transferred thousands of tons of metal to their production.

And now - again?

Are we again following the ideas of Fuller and Tukhachevsky? Only they planned armada of one-two-seater armored cars, while we have “robots”.

Speaking of tankettes, it is worth saying that one of the reasons that buried the idea of ​​baby tanks was just their size. The wedges, precisely because of their small size, could not overcome ditches and embankments, and fragmentation armor made them a victim of even ordinary rifles with a reinforced bullet.

We abandoned the tankettes, the Italians abandoned them, after the tests during the Spanish Civil War. And the advanced countries did not even try to establish the production of horses for the modern knights, preferring normal tanks.

And now we have take two. Wedge heel robot. Which will go somewhere and shoot at someone. And, perhaps, it will even hit. If he gets there.

And it won't be easy for this wedge to get there, albeit with artificial intelligence. Because there are snipers with large-caliber rifles, there are mines, there are machine guns, there are shock drones, grenades and other things that can turn an intelligent robot into robotic scrap metal.




Do you see the difference? So I don't see. For "Marker".

Meanwhile, we are being told tales that it would be necessary to consider in the near future the introduction of another platoon into the motorized rifle company - from robots.

Not a word on where and how these "platoons" of robots will be used. In field? It's funny. For the above reasons. In the town? Even more interesting, I can already imagine dying on the streets in the rubble under the fire of shooters "robots", unable to even provide minimal resistance. Stuck in rubble and ruins.

In general, the armored utopia of Mikhail Nikolaevich Tukhachevsky in the flesh.


This is also a utopia. Drowned in stories, well at least the ship survived. Dynamo-reactive 305-mm Kurchevsky cannon on the destroyer. The charging time for this nonsense is an hour and a half. Through the muzzle.

There is something in common.

Although ... If at first robots go forward, which will be shot by the enemy, then, hiding behind corps, people can go forward. Under the guise of burning robots - why not?

And what about our not very advanced, according to Mr. Zadornov, "partners" -Americans?

And they also have a robot. Not tracked, wheeled. SMSS from Lockheed-Martin. It can carry up to 300 kg of cargo, personal belongings of infantrymen, ammunition to the front line, wounded from the front line, and so on. It can be controlled from the remote control, it can drive along the map from one point to another using the navigator. Or he can move with the fighter he is pointed at.


Such a completely peaceful beast. But very useful. The "marker" in such a role does not look perfect, because it simply does not know how to do things like transportation. He's like a fighter.

Meanwhile, SMSS is nothing new. They simply screwed their brains into the so-called "Jigger", an all-terrain vehicle that was very popular in the world in the 70s of the last century. There were some, controlled by levers and built even here.


Something like a tractor amphibious. Able to climb a slope, and move a trench, and cross the river.

A very useful thing: a robo-bullet from science fiction, carrying ammunition, a bulletproof vest, food ration, water and everything else on the same forced marches. In short, those same 25-30 kg. Almost the load of a legionnaire of Ancient Rome. But we still have not ancient centuries, but something modern.

And this begs the question: who has the robot come out more useful? Dragging along the rear of the gravity for the infantry, an American or a “fighter” of the Russian robo-army, who has every chance of being incapacitated in the first minutes of the battle?

Personally, it seems to me that the "donkey" is clearly more useful. And, probably, everyone who saiga in the mountains-fields will agree with me on the principle “I carry everything with me”.

And I can't really believe that this "Marker" will be so all, as we were told. We are not leaders in robotics or electronics. And after the "success" of our "robot" Fedenka on the ISS and even more so.

So others are making progress today, but who said that those same Americans have nothing to learn from? Attack drones, transport unmanned vehicles, sea and river - all these are the same weapons of war tomorrow, if we are not going to destroy the planet with nuclear warheads.

But what is happening today in our media space is no longer even surprising, but makes you seriously think about what is happening.

Not a month goes by without the people being informed that in a year or two we will adopt another "miracle weapon" that will make the whole world tremble with fear.

Elementary propaganda with a fair amount of hysteria. Shiver, the whole world, we'll show you what!

Why only is not entirely clear. But more and more reminiscent of the times of Tukhachevsky, when at parades everyone was shown something that was absolutely not useful in the war. And German tanks were greeted with the same grenades and bottles of gasoline.

But Tukhachevsky was a rabid and narrow-minded person. And what about those who today order our media about the next "wunderwaffe"? These people do not yet reach the ruler of Germany, who also promised that just about, and that's it, there will be a complete victory. But only a little bit.

Only this year our respective media managed to tell about what is in our warehouses, what will go into service next year, and what - in 10 years.

They talk especially actively about what will happen to us in 10 years. Because who will remember in 10 years what they promised ...

I'm sure this is all just a bluff. There won't be dozens of Poseidons, hundreds of Petrel, thousands of Markers. There will be stories that all of this WILL BE. Later. Over time.

But after such shows, people will be absolutely sure that the money from the country's budget goes where it should be. To strengthen the defense capability.

It is clear that our economy is not in the best condition after the "fight" against the coronavirus, and then we still have to spend billions on the fight against foreign foes. What if they attack? And we have a "miracle weapon", here it is!

True, despite the presence of all these "newest" and "not having ...", I will meet this very foe all the same T-72 and Su-27, and the soldiers on the BMP-2 with the AK-74. Well, we just do not have time to produce "wunder" in the required quantities.

Everything was like in history, isn't it?

The Russian defense industry every year, from festival to festival (even though it is now called a "forum"), becomes like a kind of fashion show. Fashion is often so ... high. That is, they looked, shook their heads, clicked their tongues - and that was all. Buying, sewing, and even more so wearing is not worth it. Dangerous for health.

And "suits", they are more and more so ... unrealistic-virtual. As with the "Petrel" pseudo-missile. The main thing is a video with a "beautiful picture", as they say now. Something started there with a noise and a crash, and that was all. Started, most likely billions, which were spent on the development of the flown away "miracle weapon".

But such a beautiful video. It explains well why our salaries do not grow, in contrast to prices. Because everyone is on the fight and so on.

Speaking about robots, let me give you statistics on robots. There is such an indicator as the number of industrial robots per 10 workers. For 000.

Singapore - 831. South Korea - 774. Germany - 338. USA - 217. China - 140.

The world average is 99.

The average in Europe is 114.

The average in Asia is 91.

And Russia? And in Russia this figure is 5. FIVE industrial robots per 10 thousand workers. Naturally, foreign production.

And how, do you believe in thousands of combat robots who will collect the hands of workers from among the citizens of the middle class with a salary of 17 rubles in dirty workshops?

Me not.

As well as it is hard to believe that all this "newest" equipment, which I saw at parades 10 years ago and I still see, will actually be in the troops. Where is "Armata"? Coalitions? Boomerangs? "Kurgan people"? Transport planes? Destroyers? Frigates? New (I'm not even talking about reusable) spacecraft? National Space Station? Booster rocket?

Continuous PR campaign and stories in the style "Visiting a fairy tale". And billions of billions flying away to nowhere.

At one time, Stalin sent Tukhachevsky with his designs 100 aircraft and tanks. And now the ghost of the marshal and the people's commissar is wandering around Russia and happily rubbing his hands. Everything is according to his canons.

But we won't even see hundreds of produced "wunder", unlike the times of Mikhail Nikolaevich. One "wunder" is enough, which will be shown in the video for "Star". And they will tell you when to expect him. And they will modestly keep silent about how many billions will be spent on it.

So don't expect a platoon of killer robots in every motorized rifle company. Likewise, motorized riflemen should not rely on such a robot horse as their American colleagues, which would begin to carry luggage.

But such a horse would be very useful.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 13 August 2020 05: 54 New
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    Everyone imagines himself a strategist seeing a battle from the side ...
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 13 August 2020 06: 55 New
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      Exactly. I even saw the author in an office decorated with mahogany ... Military men in budenovkas, engineers with slide rule come in to him, unfold the drawings, submit documents for signature, and he says so broadly: "refuse!"
      TB? Not needed! BT? Also not needed! T-35? Make a dozen ... For the parade ...
      Constructors to me!
      Koshkin? Do it like this ... What do you mean you didn't do that? Do as I said!
      Tupolev? That's four motors, that's how ... What do you mean, four motors were not installed ?! Put it on!
      And call Mikoyan! I'll tell him about the necessary jet fighter! And then he will build something with two machine guns, and we have a war on the nose! ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 13 August 2020 07: 28 New
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        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        and he is so sweeping: "refuse!"
        TB? Not needed! BT? Also not needed! T-35? Make a dozen ... For the parade ...
        Constructors to me!

        Yes, yes ... Especially considering that in the country there are 1..2 people who know how to design modern tanks, there are not enough engineers ... skills too, and tanks are needed "the day before yesterday". Since, even imperfect, constantly breaking MS-1s have proven their HUGE use on the battlefield, and what to do? And let's see what anyone abroad has. Germany is under sanctions, nothing new, but what is, the "tractor", small and large ... but terribly secret. In France - nothing but the next version of FT-17, but in England there are both "infantry" and "cruising", which means we must do as they do ... Another thing is that there was not enough wisdom, to look at the fate of these tanks at the Brit ...
        1. aglet
          aglet 13 August 2020 08: 40 New
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          "There are not enough engineers ... skills too, but tanks are needed already" the day before yesterday. "Since, even imperfect, constantly breaking MS-1s have proven their HUGE use on the battlefield, and what to do?
          tanks to do, not wedges, and not 100 a year. and about the "HUGE benefit of ms-000" in more detail, please
          1. svp67
            svp67 13 August 2020 08: 46 New
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            Quote: aglet
            and about the "HUGE benefit of ms-1" in more detail, please

            Read the history of the conflict on the Chinese Eastern Railway ...


            Quote: aglet
            tanks, not wedges, and not 100 per year

            They did what they could ... And no one then could have said that the T-27 is a bad tankette. In the fight against the Basmachi, she showed herself normally. And how Tukhachevsky influenced the minds of Italians

            and Poles,

            Where were the "sisters", our T-27, produced longer and in large quantities?
            1. aglet
              aglet 13 August 2020 09: 29 New
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              "Read the history of the conflict at the Chinese Eastern Railway ..."
              I read about tanks once mentioned, mainly - a saber, a rifle and river vessels with guns. there is no "HUGE role"
              "And how did Tukhachevsky influence the minds of Italians and Poles, where the" sisters ", our T-27, were produced longer and in large quantities?"
              it's not about the T27 tankette specifically, but about the concept of building armored vehicles, carried out by Tukhachevsky. on the release of 100000 tanks unnecessary on the battlefield, not far from the wedge, pierced from a rifle, carrying light weapons, and this is only in the first year of the five-year plan. Obviously, Tukhachevsky was far from the economy and industry. How much steel, machine tools, specialists, money was needed for the construction of 100000 tanks per year? the industry could hardly provide such a number. and another 100000 tanks is at least 200000 tankers, and repairmen, reconnaissance, artillerymen, hospitals, servants, refuellers, this would be another 100 thousand, but where to get them? the whole red army then how much was? you say, without all this Tukhachevsky offered to release only tanks, then he is an enemy of the people, unambiguously, and deserved his bullet.
              and about Italians and Poles - in Italy 10 pieces were produced in almost 2000 years, in Poland during the same time - about 700 pieces
              1. svp67
                svp67 13 August 2020 09: 39 New
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                Quote: aglet
                about the release of 100000 tanks unnecessary on the battlefield,

                No, you are not making the calculation correctly ... Although, of course, at that time for our country it was an impossible task, but ...
                It is worth considering the size of our country, the throughput of our railways and from where we were threatened at that moment.
                And this is the West, from Poland, North-West, from Finland, South-West, from Romania, South, from Turkey and Iran, East, from China and Japan. To repel threats, it would be necessary to have a certain stock of tanks in each of these directions, so that we can counteract as quickly as possible.
              2. Nikolay Krylikov
                Nikolay Krylikov 15 August 2020 16: 36 New
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                In addition to what has been said, it should be added that at that time (and even now) the country did not have enough fuel for 100 tanks and as many aircraft.
              3. vlad106
                vlad106 17 August 2020 21: 52 New
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                "And how did Tukhachevsky influence the minds of Italians and Poles, where the" sisters ", our T-27, were produced longer and in large quantities?"
                it's not about the T27 tankette specifically, but about the concept of building armored vehicles, carried out by Tukhachevsky. about the release of 100000 tanks unnecessary on the battlefield, not far from the tankette, pierced from a rifle, carrying light weapons, and this is only in the first year of the five-year plan. Obviously, Tukhachevsky was far from the economy and industry. How much steel, machine tools, specialists, money was needed to build ... "


                Someone distantly reminds me of this Tukhocheff ...
                remembered! Ragozhin. everything strives to capture space. trampolines fill up the whole world and planets to Mars.
                this dreamer can leave us without pants
              4. Abel
                Abel 24 August 2020 11: 52 New
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                The production of the T-27 began in 1931 at the Bolshevik plant (45 vehicles were produced), then at the plant number 37 and the car assembly plant number 1. In total, 3342 tankettes were delivered to the army.
                Creative processing for the capabilities of the RSFSR using automotive units. Produced from 1931 to 1933. Well, where are your hundreds of thousands? Military thought, like political thought, is absolutely unpredictable. They riveted under it. Have you read about the Douai doctrine?
            2. Dr. Frankenstucker
              Dr. Frankenstucker 13 August 2020 12: 56 New
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              And how Tukhachevsky influenced the minds of Italians


              wow, I didn’t know that it was Tukh who strongly recommended Reggio Ezercito to buy and clone "carden lloyd"

              In the fight against the Basmachi proved to be normal


              well, that's how it is, of course, CV33 also "showed itself" in Abyssinia against half-naked Ethiopians.
              1. svp67
                svp67 13 August 2020 19: 01 New
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                Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer
                wow, I didn’t know that it was Tukh who strongly recommended Reggio Ezercito to buy and clone "carden lloyd"

                Yes, that there you and the "question mark" do not know how to look, what can we say about something else
              2. Russian Central Asian
                Russian Central Asian 14 August 2020 20: 38 New
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                You are in vain about the Basmachs, my great-grandfather in the 20s drove these figures around Turkestan as a military expert, told my grandfather that there were quite real enemies, insidious and cruel to sadism, and besides, they also had their own military experts, so I had to fight them seriously.
                1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                  Dr. Frankenstucker 14 August 2020 21: 08 New
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                  ... You are in vain about the Basmachi,

                  How is 'so'? Their high fighting qualities are noted in the reports of the OGPU. And the fact that, allegedly, the T-27 'performed well in battles with the Basmachi' is bullshit. Well, we crawled along the Kara-Kum sands. One Basmachi was even set on fire.
            3. Ryaruav
              Ryaruav 13 August 2020 18: 51 New
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              all of them and the T-27 are sisters of the English wedge heel how do you like to write read books
              1. svp67
                svp67 13 August 2020 19: 02 New
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                Quote: Ryaruav
                all of them and the T-27 are sisters of the English wedge heel how do you like to write read books

                Rather "daughters"
                1. Ryaruav
                  Ryaruav 13 August 2020 20: 59 New
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                  well, sorry really daughters
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 13 August 2020 09: 23 New
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          Quote: svp67
          Germany is under sanctions, nothing new, but what is, the "tractor", small and large

          Tankettes and light tanks with machine guns made up the bulk of the German armored forces on September 1, 1939, i.e. at the beginning of WWII.

          They also made up a significant part of the invasion troops of the USSR.

          Yes, they turned out to be outdated for this war. But, as we can see, Germany did not understand this at once.

          BT 7 is quite a decent tank for the beginning of the Second World War with a powerful 45 mm gun, formidable for all Wehrmacht tanks.

          T 35 is a dead-end branch, but to understand this, it was necessary to do it.

          In general, any new technique is produced at first in units and tested.

          And the mentioned mass T72 and AK 74 were at first in single copies.

          Mentioning "Petrel" and "Poseidon", the article does not write about "Dagger", which is on the same list with them. And he is already on alert.
          1. svp67
            svp67 13 August 2020 09: 28 New
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            Quote: Olgovich
            Mentioning "Petrel" and "Poseidon", the article does not write about "Dagger", which is on the same list with them.

            The main thing is that he completely rejects the fact that you want it or not, but in order not to lag behind the armies of the world, you simply have to carry out R&D to create promising technology and, unfortunately, it is not a fact that the result is what you want, but you still need to work
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 13 August 2020 09: 47 New
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              Quote: svp67
              you just is obliged to carry out development work to create promising technology and unfortunately it is not a fact that the output turns out what you want, but work anyway onо
              Yes, this is the conclusion I missed and which is undeniable.

              And to stop at good T72 and AK 74.47 is impossible by definition, because they will gobble them up.
            2. Ded_Mazay
              Ded_Mazay 13 August 2020 14: 04 New
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              Quote: svp67
              not the fact that the output turns out what you want

              Well, about the same as with the AN-94 "Abakan" happened.
              1. svp67
                svp67 13 August 2020 14: 05 New
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                Quote: Ded_Mazay
                Well, about the same as with the AN-94 "Abakan" happened.

                And how many aircraft remained in prototypes, missiles ...
                1. Ded_Mazay
                  Ded_Mazay 13 August 2020 14: 07 New
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                  Quote: svp67
                  And how many aircraft remained in prototypes, missiles ...
                  The golden eagle, for example, which is the Su-47. So it remained a flying laboratory and by itself did not grow into anything.
                  1. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 13 August 2020 18: 55 New
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                    The golden eagle, for example, which is the Su-47. So it remained a flying laboratory and by itself did not grow into anything.

                    And there was no need to save money so much that he walked without the scientific support of TsAGI. They relied on their aerodynamic department in the design bureau and worked into a basket.
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 13 August 2020 19: 09 New
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                      Quote: Aviator_
                      They relied on their aerodynamic department in the design bureau and worked into a basket.

                      And what about the Myasishchevsky M-50, T-100 Sukhoi?
                      1. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 13 August 2020 21: 36 New
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                        And what about the Myasishchevsky M-50, T-100 Sukhoi?

                        These were escorted by TsAGI and were rejected as a result of the competitive struggle of the KB (far from gentlemanly)
                    2. BAI
                      BAI 13 August 2020 19: 12 New
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                      There is a high probability that TsAGI would immediately give a negative opinion on it and the project would have ended without starting. Therefore, TsAGI was not involved.
                      1. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 13 August 2020 21: 38 New
                        +1
                        And so they made an unusable car on their own (there was a very strong buffing there, which would not have been with normal design), as a result - a lot of money was spent with zero result.
          2. Dr. Frankenstucker
            Dr. Frankenstucker 13 August 2020 15: 46 New
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            Quote: Olgovich
            BT 7 is quite a decent tank for the beginning of the Second World War with a powerful 45 mm gun, formidable for all Wehrmacht tanks.

            I always associate BT-7 with Sergeant Findin. He burned the column and left on wheels. In general, Wittmann, with his hyped Villers-Bocage, sniffs under the tail.
          3. Train
            Train 23 August 2020 14: 25 New
            +1
            I would even say that the BT-7 was no less formidable than the T-34. There was complete order with observation devices and fire control, and if you set the task wisely, then the BT-7M could do business
        3. Ilya-spb
          Ilya-spb 13 August 2020 09: 29 New
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          I would like to add ... Dear author forgot that we can meet the enemy not only SU-27 and BMP-2.

          Russia possesses a huge arsenal of nuclear weapons. The adversary knows that it will be reset. A fashionable word today.

          And ... why do we need thousands of "Petrel" and dozens of "Poseidons"? They are not needed!

          The development of industry and science shows that prototypes are created first. In pieces. The technology is being developed. And only then the optimal path is chosen.
        4. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
          Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 17 August 2020 21: 10 New
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          British tanks ... many different models, okay! But some of the British obscenities even helped us in the fall and winter of 1941 to defend Moscow. Yes, and our tankers, criticizing them, admitted in some way their strong sides, by the way. Like this. And dynamo-reactive guns fought well in the American and British armies. This use was not bad, and here Tukhachevsky was wrongly scolded - if we had thousands of such guns in the summer of 1941 - and perhaps only a few German tanks would have reached Moscow, if at all ... So it's not so simple and unambiguous.
      2. zenion
        zenion 13 August 2020 19: 44 New
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        The most important thing is that it has no analogues abroad. Nobody even thinks that there are no analogues, which means that nobody needs it for free. Then I remembered a cartoon about how one pest on the planet of robots poured sand into the grease, all the robots got sick.
      3. Esso
        Esso 16 August 2020 17: 06 New
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        I agree, once again I am convinced of the complete incompetence of the author, alas, he does not understand anything in military technology, he looks one-sided, from the point of view I know everything, the rest are fools, the paper will endure everything, but alas, it is high time to drive the author off the site.
    2. Civil
      Civil 13 August 2020 08: 35 New
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      We will meet the war with a nuclear bomb, and that says it all.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 13 August 2020 09: 25 New
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        Quote: Civil
        We will face the war with a nuclear bomb, and that says it all

        In general, we will all die! Russians, like the righteous and their place in paradise! NATO members, like nits and their place in hell! Aliluya!
    3. Shilka
      Shilka 13 August 2020 19: 11 New
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      Quote: svp67
      Everyone imagines himself a strategist seeing a battle from the side ...

      By the title of the article, I understand who the author is .. laughing
  2. Flamberg
    Flamberg 13 August 2020 05: 56 New
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    BT-7, wheeled-tracked tanks, which were not used as wheeled ones. Due to the elementary lack of roads.

    This is a fiasco ... Even Wikipedia knows ...
    The insufficient resource of the caterpillar propeller, which manifested itself at military exercises in the early 1930s (breakdowns of tracks and track pins during prolonged off-road movement), as well as its destructive effect on the roadway, aroused great interest in the leadership of the UMM RKKA in wheel-tracked tanks. These vehicles, on the march along well-equipped public roads, had to move on wheels, and in off-road conditions and in battle - on tracks. Thus, both the resource of the tracked mover and the roadbed were saved.
    1. svp67
      svp67 13 August 2020 07: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: Flamberg
      This is a fiasco ... Even Wikipedia knows ...

      After reading Glushko's memoirs "Tanks came to life again", there is such a moment
      “About noon we drove up to a fork in the road and here we met a Soviet tank without tracks, on a wheeled drive. I looked at the number and couldn't believe my eyes - the tank was from our battalion!
      The meeting with fellow soldiers was joyful. I knew the 2nd rank military technician D.N.Semkin, the deputy chief technical officer of the 2nd company of our 4th tank battalion. A good comrade, a highly qualified specialist and, most importantly, a never-discouraged, cheerful and sympathetic person, Semkin disposed people to himself. They shared their joys and failures with him, they could always count on his help. And now, before we had time to open our arms, he already asked:
      - How can I help?
      - Tell us what you know about the battalion? - first of all I asked.
      - Battalion? - he asked, - The battalion is you and me. Is it not enough? Now, my dear, everyone must fight for a battalion.
      - I see how you are at war. I even took off the caterpillars in order to skiddle faster on the wheels, - I laughed.
      - Look, I'm going without a sloth, - said Semkin and clarified: - Repulsed by a shell. This is the last tank, he continued, which I am evacuating from the Elisenvara area. Four are already fifteen kilometers from here, on the way to Ladoga. Our battalion commander went there at night. "

    2. lelik613
      lelik613 13 August 2020 07: 44 New
      +9
      "In 1882 a new steel grade was obtained by the English metallurgist Robert Hadfield ...
      Moreover, this brand of steel turned out to be so successful that it is still used to manufacture tracks for caterpillars of tanks, tractors, cars, armor plates, crusher cheeks, rail crosses, switches operating under shock loads and abrasion, and even window grilles in prisons. " If the money, time and labor spent on these locusts were spent on mastering the production of steel for track links, Christie's freaks would not be needed. "The use of Hadfield steel for the manufacture of track links for tank tracks was first mastered by the British firm Vickers in the late 1920s." in the USSR, the smelting of Hadfield steel was mastered by 1936. "
      1. depressant
        depressant 13 August 2020 09: 13 New
        +1
        So, just by the way, once again rereading the book:

        "... he has long dreamed of breaking out into the operational space, this tall, stately handsome man, adorned with constellations of orders, badges, rhombuses, stripes, a proud Kraavet with icy eyes and plump, like a young man's lips, the pride of a young army, the pride of a young country , a successful rival of the same arrogant, strewn with orders, badges, stripes of the proud of Western military science ...
        ... Andrei looked at the great tanker and saw in his gray transparent eyes the same horror and painful bewilderment that he himself felt. The tank driver, blinking often, looked at the brilliant strategist and did not understand anything. He is used to thinking in terms of movement in the space of huge machine and human masses, he, in his naivety and innocence, is accustomed to counting that everything and forever will be decided by his armored armadas, confidently pushing through foreign lands, and multi-engine, filled with bombs and parachutists, flying fortresses, floating in the clouds above foreign lands, he did everything possible so that this clear dream could be realized at any necessary moment ... Of course, he allowed himself sometimes certain doubts that a brilliant strategist is so genius and will be able to unambiguously define this necessary the moment and the necessary directions of armored strikes, and yet he did not understand in any way (and did not have time to understand) how it was possible to sacrifice exactly him, such a talented, so tireless and unique, how it was possible to sacrifice all that that was created by such labors and efforts ... "

        "Doomed City", chapter two.
        A. Strugaykiy, B. Strugatskiy.
    3. Abel
      Abel 24 August 2020 11: 59 New
      -1
      Yes, in our "directions" without caterpillars is problematic, but they planned to drive around Europe. Did not work out
  3. kot-begemot
    kot-begemot 13 August 2020 06: 15 New
    0
    Tukhachevsky search engine, everything is gone, the General Staff of the Russian Federation teapots, everything is gone again, the army is falling apart, the designers are suckers, everything is still "gone" ...
    I get the feeling that the author of the post got hot on the background of withdrawal symptoms. For "they" are doing well, but here again "everything is gone, everyone will die, our hands are out of our ass, we do not know how to plan and build."
    Tracked platforms for weapons, reconnaissance, demining, drones on the ground, in the air and in the water are relevant, because the task of the drone is to die and by its untimely death ensure the operator and the fighters associated with him to complete the task.
    As I understand it, the author of the opus proposes to attach a soldier to each anti-tank mine and not give out ammunition, and so everyone will die, armored personnel carriers and armored personnel carriers should be written off, they have shitty armor, planes for scrap, they are made of lumin, and forget PNV and other nonsense , it is all on batteries, let the fighters run around with a tape measure, pegs and kerosene lanterns.
    In my opinion, the article is nonsense.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 13 August 2020 06: 24 New
      +8
      Everything is so, everything is so ... However, you cannot erase a word from a song. And about 100 tanks and about the T-000. And the most important thing about 27 industrial robots for 5 employees. At the same time, I will not say anything bad about the "Marker" because even reconnaissance in force and opening the defense is better to carry out with a piece of iron than a fighter. This is if for the war. But to put such brains on a tractor and carry potatoes through the fields, or on a combine ... So advice to the author - keep your tail with a pistol !!! All will be!!!
      1. qQQQ
        qQQQ 13 August 2020 08: 54 New
        +4
        Quote: NDR-791
        And the most important thing about 5 industrial robots for 10 employees.

        Probably the point is not in the backwardness of our production, but in the fact that its elementary minuscule remained, unfortunately, we are a raw material appendage, now not only of the West, but also of China.
        1. depressant
          depressant 13 August 2020 10: 48 New
          16
          The main problem of our defense industry is the severe underfunding of a large number of enterprises and companies. The industry's debt on loans is amazing - 2 trillion rubles. Almost all the profits of the defense industry enterprises, amounting to about 135 billion rubles, go to pay interest on debt to banks. But the body of the debt is not repaid!
          How did it happen?
          But it turned out exactly the same as everything we do, taking into account the anti-state activities of Nabiullina and the official employee of the IMF Siluanov.

          In 2012, someone hefty "smart" proposed to partially finance the State Armament Program for the period from 2012 to 2020 at the expense of state-guaranteed commercial loans. This meant that the defense industry complex could take loans from banks from the money allocated to banks for these purposes from the budget. On the one hand, this is a kind of state control over the activities of the military-industrial complex - they say, so that they do not aim at unrestrained spending, otherwise, no matter how much you give, they will spend as much, and there will be zero production. Like, everything went to OCD, we are not to blame. And on the other hand, if it is nevertheless reasonable to overstate, the bank can lend it, if the state has no money at the moment, and it will then guarantee to repay the debt for the defense industry complex to bankers. Is it reasonable? Seems Yes. Two lines of receipt of money in the defense industry - budget (here's how much we can) and bank ...
          People in the know already then, in 2012, said that the budget would give much less than needed, and would quietly throw off a considerable part of the defense industry's financing on banks.
          Why did you decide?
          And according to the same principle of urgency of credit slavery. Apartment? Take a loan, get into it here and now! What to save and wait for when you accumulate to buy ... A car? Yes please! Take a loan and get into the car as yours right here and now. Armada "Armat" and SU-37? For God's sake! Take the loot in the bank and produce it for health. Only pay the interest on the loan body on time and quietly added: otherwise we will take away the enterprises. Mortgage lending, you know - we, bankers, do not believe in the state and its guarantees ...
          And so they did, "clever men". And then it turned out that the defense industry had enough money to pay "percentiles", but no longer to increase production volumes. And therefore no armada for you!
          Sickeningly disgusting. It is called, urgently launched rearmament.
          And at the same time, bankers have the audacity to lend to the defense industry complex under
          8–10%, while the profitability of most defense enterprises is 4–5% at best, and often zero, not 20%, as required by the state defense order. So all the profits of the defense industry are spent on the reproduction of what is, and the payment of interest, and not on the armada of weapons. With such a negligible profit, the development and even more so the expansion of the output of the high-tech industry is impossible. So it is necessary to re-equip technologically? Does it mean innovation and innovation? Yes! But where to get funds for the purchase of new equipment, construction of new and modern industrial sites, training and retraining of personnel - where? The defense industry complex is already credited for the most I can not! Where not now throw, everywhere a wedge. And now, the low profitability of the military-industrial complex dooms it to stagnation and lagging behind competitors. And this is the price of the previous wrong decision.
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 13 August 2020 11: 32 New
            +4
            So all the profits of the defense industry are spent on the reproduction of what is, and the payment of interest, and not on the armada of weapons.
            .... Here, they cling to every import military contract for the supply of weapons, and then tears, eh, did not pass .. And these tears are understandable ... "How will I pay with Kolyvan?" (C) ... " Here you are where I have everything "(c) smile
            1. Dr. Frankenstucker
              Dr. Frankenstucker 14 August 2020 22: 15 New
              +1
              .clung to every import military contract

              Export?
          2. Nikolay Krylikov
            Nikolay Krylikov 15 August 2020 17: 06 New
            +2
            According to my more than 40 years of experience in the field of creating military electronics, one of the main reasons for our deplorable state is the low level of funding for development: some gentlemen think that with an average salary of 30-50 thousand rubles. you can have highly qualified development specialists. But miracles, alas. can not be. We have to simultaneously conduct several parallel developments with an obvious lack of people. One gets the feeling that one often has to work out of a sense of patriotism. I'm not even talking about all sorts of legislative complexities such as the notorious law on public procurement and so on. (who knows, will agree). And then there was the prosecutor's office against our brother for missed deadlines, although, as you know, not a single development was created on time, at least over the past half century. I would also like to add that the complexity of the technology being created is increasing more and more, which requires very high qualifications of performers.
        2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
          Uncle Vanya Susanin 14 August 2020 03: 37 New
          +1
          Can you give the figures for this "minuscule", or is it the key word - "probably"?
      2. Ded_Mazay
        Ded_Mazay 13 August 2020 14: 14 New
        +4
        Quote: NDR-791
        the most important thing about 5 industrial robots for 10 workers.

        Would you like to share your workplace with a promrobot? lol
        1. boni592807
          boni592807 14 August 2020 15: 06 New
          0
          Do not make me laugh, Ded_Mazay Yesterday, 14:14, NEW - "... Would you like to share your workplace with the promrobot? ..."

          Do not dishonor the country and watch its history, it all depends on the goal setting. See the example of the USSR in this matter and the process went on until it came across perestroika with Gorbachev. wassat
  4. mark1
    mark1 13 August 2020 06: 17 New
    12
    The point, Roma, is not in the size of the "wedge" but in the development of an artificial intelligence system, which can later be installed on DIFFERENT platforms.
    By the way about "wedges" - in our village there are several similar ones (even the sizes are close), no one complains. The main thing is not to go where you can’t get through, because as you know with a fool you can break not only a wedge heel but also something more (for yourself) valuable.
  5. igorra
    igorra 13 August 2020 06: 35 New
    +6
    And what a fig for us robots when there are all kinds of ghasts and the minimum wage is lower than in Gabon. There will be a normal salary, the owners will start scratching their turnips, which is cheaper, Vasya Pupkin or a robot.
    1. mark2
      mark2 13 August 2020 06: 47 New
      -2
      There will be a normal salary, the owners will start scratching their turnips, which is cheaper, Vasya Pupkin or a robot.

      And at this time Vasya will be on Instagram and Facebook while the robots are working, and post nonsense about how there is no work and the salary is low, right?
    2. at84432384
      at84432384 14 August 2020 03: 09 New
      +2
      As long as there are "owners" and "effective managers", there will be no normal salary. Didn't they teach you anything in the last 30 years?
  6. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 13 August 2020 06: 51 New
    -2
    The author, who is our modern Tukhachevsky? Who is leading the military-industrial complex to a dead end?
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 13 August 2020 06: 55 New
    +8
    Another thing is interesting, is this robot and its support made entirely of Russian components?
  8. KCA
    KCA 13 August 2020 07: 14 New
    +4
    I would like to ask the author, are there many Pedrov in Brazil? Well, that is, in the US Army robots, such good and necessary transporters? Is there at least one in service? For almost 50 years, they can't make a normal BMP, but here robots are directly attacking?
    1. Aag
      Aag 14 August 2020 08: 17 New
      +3
      "... For almost 50 years, they can't make a normal BMP ..."
      And don't tell me! ... All some AUGs sculpt, sell "penguins", dirtied the oceans of nuclear submarines ...
  9. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 13 August 2020 07: 14 New
    +1
    The next everything is gone, all the fools, the author is smart americos great fellows, we are a talker and blah blah blah, Roman, write the floor history of tanks and planes, it turns out much better, honestly
  10. bober1982
    bober1982 13 August 2020 07: 15 New
    -5
    And since 1930, a construction bacchanalia began in the Soviet Union... The end of the quote. Just amazing (this is from myself)
    Stalinists, ay ....... where are you? yours are beaten.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 13 August 2020 07: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: bober1982
      Stalinists, ay ....... where are you? yours are beaten.

      Anyone who is on the payroll of those who are behind a puddle, it makes no sense to persuade.

      Practice is the criterion of truth, and the truth is that our flag flew over the Reichstag, and not theirs over the Kremlin. I wonder what the author had in mind when he titled the article: "The ghost of Tukhachevsky is haunting Russia"? What, if anything, the West will get it in the teeth again, as in 45? laughing
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 13 August 2020 08: 04 New
        +8
        Quote: Boris55
        I wonder what the author meant,

        To call the creation of industry and the army in the shortest possible time, in difficult conditions, and from scratch - a construction bacchanalia! It is absurd and confusing to talk about it.
        This is the bottom.
        1. aglet
          aglet 13 August 2020 09: 48 New
          +7
          "To call the creation of an industry and an army in the shortest possible time, in difficult conditions, and from scratch - a construction bacchanalia! It is absurd and confusing to talk about it"
          there was no talk of creating an industry, but what was happening in the army could not be called otherwise. recoilless guns, tailless planes, teletanks, these pointless devices took a huge amount of resources and time. money was spent on a grand scale, which is really there, my native country is wide. the damned bourgeoisie were much more modest in spending, but on June 22 they came to us with modern tanks, airplanes, radio stations, and we met them with the day before yesterday's tanks and airplanes, with an eternal Mosin rifle and bottles of gasoline and communications, along the posts of the People's Commissariat of Communications. then a small amount of modern technology that entered the troops was raw, unexplored personnel, without a concept of application, and without communication, of course, therefore it did not bring any benefit, although, according to some characteristics, it was superior to German technology
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 13 August 2020 09: 52 New
            -7
            Quote: aglet
            then a small amount of modern technology that entered the troops was raw, unexplored

            Quote: aglet
            the damned bourgeoisie were much more modest in spending, but on June 22 they came to us with modern tanks, planes, radio stations

            It turns out funny.
            A monarchist, a Black Hundred and a nationalist - must defend the Stalinist regime.
            You, your liberal nonsense, don't tell me.
            1. aglet
              aglet 13 August 2020 12: 27 New
              +4
              "You, your liberal nonsense, don't tell me."
              As it is interesting, about liberal nonsense, I have never considered myself a liberal, and I can knock on the face for such a name. but these are your extensions of the text, but as a matter of fact, you can say something
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 13 August 2020 12: 40 New
                +1
                Quote: aglet
                never considered myself a liberal, and for such a name and in the face I can knock

                What face can you tap on? Do not be ridiculous, and what else you need .... text expansion.
                Learn - the feat of the Soviet people during the years of industrialization and, the creation of the military might of the Red Army in the pre-war years, on the eve of Hitler's invasion, which was the guarantee of our Victory.
                1. aglet
                  aglet 13 August 2020 15: 50 New
                  0
                  yes in your opinion, honorable. it is a pity that you are hiding on the vast expanses of the Internet
                  1. bober1982
                    bober1982 13 August 2020 17: 46 New
                    +6
                    Quote: aglet
                    yes, according to you

                    So, and I'm about the same, why then in vain chatting.
          2. Molot1979
            Molot1979 13 August 2020 13: 27 New
            +1
            Dear, can we not lie? Nothing more modern Panzer 4 happened to the Germans. Although yes, I directly agree that all these T-34 and KV are the day before yesterday. Rubbish of the times of Vladimir Monomakh from shit and sticks. Where are the Russian barbarians against the advanced Europeans? Only a corpse can fill up and can, huh? For the dumb: it's all sarcasm
            1. aglet
              aglet 13 August 2020 15: 52 New
              -2
              "Nothing more modern Panzer 4 happened to the Germans"
              but they did not need anything more modern, with skillful management, and the T1 were quite normal tanks, which was shown in 1941
          3. Polente the Wanderer
            Polente the Wanderer 13 August 2020 13: 30 New
            +2
            The damned bourgeois did not have cavalry at the head of the army; they knew that it was necessary to create tank formations, not cavalry divisions.
            1. saigon
              saigon 13 August 2020 14: 34 New
              +4
              Mr. Wanderer, the Germans had cavalry at the head of the tank divisions.
              So our tank units were often created on the basis of disbanded cavalry units.
              You probably won't believe it, but the number of Red Army Cavs before the war was decreasing from year to year.
              Probably this bourgeois command created the KMG that reached Germany.
              By chance you do not know what the artillery of the infantry divisions of the bourgeois moved on, you know that during WW2 the number of Wehrmacht cavalry divisions grew. Such are the facts about cavalry during WW2.
              1. Polente the Wanderer
                Polente the Wanderer 15 August 2020 13: 38 New
                0
                On Wikipedia, enter the USSR Cavalry Division. There is also other information, including the Wehrmacht cavalry. You can find it if you really want to understand.
                And according to the data that other authors have collected on Wikipedia (if you are sure that they are lying and you have proof, you can edit the pages), on the essence of the question of using horses in war:
                1. horses were used as a transport for household needs, for the transportation of artillery, both for us and for the Germans. We have it because of the lack of cars, and the Germans because of the lack of fuel. The Germans also used horses as transport for people.
                2. Combat cavalry divisions in our country before the war were about 100, by the end of 41g about 80. The Wehrmacht has 4 divisions (1 of the Cossacks or pretending to be them, although according to other sources about 50 thousand Cossack families retreated with the Germans.)
                By the way, Zhukov was originally a cavalryman, but someone is studying, and someone is stuck in the past.
                “Assessing the actions of Soviet tankers in the battles on Khalkhin Gol, G.K. Zhukov in May 1940 at a reception with I. V. Stalin on the occasion of his appointment as commander of the Kiev Special Military District and conferring the military rank of General of the Army emphasized:“ Tank brigades fought very well, especially the 11th brigade, headed by the brigade commander Hero of the Soviet Union M.P. Yakovlev.But the BT-5 and BT-7 tanks are too flammable.If it were not for two tank and three motorized armored brigades, we certainly could not have surrounded and defeated the 6th Japanese army so quickly ”[17].
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 15 August 2020 17: 09 New
                  0
                  Quote: Wanderer Polente
                  2. Combat cavalry divisions we have before the war, about 100

                  This is some kind of very alternative USSR. In real life, on June 22.06.1941, 13, there were 01.01.1937 cavalry divisions in the Red Army (for comparison, on 32/XNUMX/XNUMX there were XNUMX cavalry divisions in the Red Army).
                  And cavalry pre-war divisions of 1941 could hardly be called. Rather, it was mechanized infantry for the poor - Motohorse divisions, in which, in particular, there was a tank regiment - 64 BT.
                  Quote: Wanderer Polente
                  by the end of 41g about 80

                  These 80 "divisions" appeared because of the traditional game of the Red Army in terms. In fact, the "cavalry division" arr. 1941 was a cavalry brigade of 3000 people. Let me remind you that the pre-war cavalry division numbered 9000 people. l / s.
                  And these cavalry divisions appeared as an attempt to give the front at least some mobile units. There were not enough trucks even for tankers for motorized infantry, so they had to find alternative ways to increase mobility.
                2. saigon
                  saigon 15 August 2020 17: 50 New
                  0
                  Yes, be afraid of God, what about 100 Cav divisions before the war?
                  Excuse me, Wikipedia, this is of course great, but only according to the proposal of the People's Commissariat of Defense on November 21, 1939, approved by the government, it provided for the presence of 5 cavalry corps consisting of 24 cavalry divisions, 2 separate cavalry brigades and 6 spare cavalry regiments. Of the 1938 departments of the cavalry corps and 7 cavalry divisions that were available in 32, 4 cavalry corps and 13 cavalry divisions remained by the beginning of the war.
                  If you are interested, find at least for example the Combat strength of the Soviet Army M Military Publishing House, 1966. Now, according to the Germans, the 1st cavalry division ss, the 3rd and 4th cavalry divisions, the 8th cavalry division ss (Florian Geyer), the 22nd cavalry division ss (Maria Theresa) and believe me the Cossacks were not there. These are purely German formations.
                  Wikipedia is, forgive me, not an argument, you still have to look for so many nonsense.
                  If you want normal information look in other places, now a lot is available.
                  I cannot give links to the figures given by me, they are on paper.
            2. aglet
              aglet 13 August 2020 15: 37 New
              0
              "The damned bourgeois did not have cavalry at the head of the army."
              by the way, Zhukov, the so-called Victory Marshal, is also from the cavalry
          4. saigon
            saigon 13 August 2020 14: 19 New
            +4
            Mr. Aiguillette well, look at the staff of a rifle company of the Red Army at the beginning of 1941 and then talk about a mosinka.
            Everything is available about the divisions of the western districts, the mech corps, and compare our rifle squad with the bourgeoisie, look at the number of automatic weapons we have and the bourgeois Wehrmacht have.
            Calculate SVT, PPD and PD with us and compare with the number of MG and MP38 -40 they have.
            It is not difficult and not long. Well, modern Pz-1b Pz-2 is strong.
      2. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 13 August 2020 09: 18 New
        +1
        if anything, then the West will again get in the teeth, as in 45?
        And what has the West not gotten in the teeth since the 90s? Why are there Anglo-American directors on the board of directors of hydrocarbon companies? Why are enterprises in Russia (and in Russia?) Commanded by foreign general directors? Is it the same all over the world? Well, under the rule of the Fuhrer, the whole world (Europe) also became one front! It turns out that the USSR was in vain opposed to all of Europe and the whole world? Well, who will give in the teeth if we are like everyone else? Where is Russia's opposition? On what economic fronts is Russia opposing the West? Why is the loot flowing over the hill? Where did Russia strike back? What is Russia doing with the West today? Love, integration with him, opposition, competition ???
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 13 August 2020 09: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          And what has the West not gotten in the teeth since the 90s?

          Can I tell you about how, since 1952, the party nomenclature began to be attached to the tail of the West?

          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          Where is Russia's opposition?

          Example: With the amendments to the Constitution, the West, represented by the IMF, will no longer determine our retirement age. I hope you know the negative consequences of this for the Russian economy.
          1. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 13 August 2020 09: 39 New
            +1
            Better tell us how modern Russia is giving the West a crack. And only one thing can be said about the amendments to the constitution. The current government is very happy with that constitution. And all the amendments boiled down to prescribing the powers of the supreme power. If you didn’t arrange a constitution, you would write your own! The amendments did not lower the retirement age and left the solidarity system! So the constitution, as it was in the interests of the West, has remained! Where in the constitution are the rights and guarantees of the population for free medicine, any education, work, housing, pensions? What standard of living does the constitution guarantee? What is the minimum hourly rate? What is the difference in pay for a worker and a manager? What is the maximum payment for utilities? Are Russian companies required to have Russian names? Or are there any International Limited left? Who is eligible to hold management positions of large (state-owned) companies? Only citizens of Russia, or citizens of foreign states, or holders of a bouquet of citizenships? Why weren't the amendments publicly discussed?
        2. BAI
          BAI 13 August 2020 12: 24 New
          10
          Why are there Anglo-American directors on the board of directors of hydrocarbon companies?


          Official site of Gazprom. Board of Directors:

          Viktor Alekseevich Zubkov Chairman of the Board of Directors of PJSC Gazprom, Special Representative of the President of the Russian Federation for interaction with the Forum of Gas Exporting Countries

          Alexey Borisovich Miller Deputy Chairman of the Board of Directors of PJSC Gazprom, Chairman of the Management Board of PJSC Gazprom

          Andrey Igorevich Akimov Chairman of the Management Board, Bank GPB (JSC)

          Timur Askarovich Kulibayev Chairman of the Kazakhstan Association of Oil and Gas and Energy Complex Organizations "KAZENERGY", Chairman of the Presidium of the National Chamber of Entrepreneurs of the Republic of Kazakhstan "Atameken", independent director

          Denis Valentinovich Manturov Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation

          Vitaly Anatolyevich Markelov Deputy Chairman of the Management Committee of PJSC Gazprom

          Victor Georgievich Martynov Rector of the Gubkin Russian State University of Oil and Gas, Professor, Independent Director

          Vladimir Alexandrovich Mau Rector of the Russian Academy of National Economy and Public Administration under the President of the Russian Federation, Independent Director

          Alexander Valentinovich Novak Minister of Energy of the Russian Federation

          Dmitry Nikolaevich Patrushev Minister of Agriculture of the Russian Federation

          Mikhail Leonidovich Sereda First Deputy General Director of Gazprom Export LLC.

          Me, in order to understand for myself which of them is Anglo-American?
          1. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 14 August 2020 07: 32 New
            -5


            Foreigners in the management of large Russian companies with state participation
            Dramatis personae

            Newspaper "Kommersant" No. 81 dated 13.05.2015/9/XNUMX, p. XNUMX
            The former top manager of Schlumberger, the Frenchman Eric Maurice Liron, is the first vice president of Rosneft, and the American Zelko Runier is the vice president for offshore projects. There are Americans on the company's board of directors - former Exxon Mobil top manager Donald Humphries and BP head Robert Dudley. The deputy chairman of the board is German Matthias Warnig, who also works as the managing director of Nord-Stream AG, controlled by Gazprom. The Nord-Stream Shareholders' Committee is chaired by former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder.

            The supervisory board of Sberbank includes American economist Martin Gilman, honorary director of McKinsey Briton Peter Kralich, chairman of the Italian Banca Monte dei Paschi di Siena Alessandro Profumo and investment and corporate governance consultant Briton Nadia Wells.

            Hungarian Csaba Zentai is a member of the board of VTB Bank. The supervisory board includes Matthias Warnig and the vice-president of the Vinci group, French Yves-Thibault de Silguy.

            Ronald James Pollett, an American vice president of GE, is an independent director of JSC Inter RAO UES. Finn Seppo Juha Remes is a member of the boards of directors of JSC Russian Grids and JSC Rusnano.

            German Kai-Uwe Melhorn, who has worked for Siemens AG for 15 years, is the Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Rostelecom.

            Giorgio Callegari, an Italian, works as Aeroflot's Deputy General Director for Strategy and Alliances.
        3. aglet
          aglet 13 August 2020 12: 29 New
          -1
          "What is Russia doing with the West today? Love, integration with it, confrontation, competition ???"
          here you are absolutely right, precisely with love, in the most common position
      3. Aag
        Aag 14 August 2020 08: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Boris55
        Quote: bober1982
        Stalinists, ay ....... where are you? yours are beaten.

        Anyone who is on the payroll of those who are behind a puddle, it makes no sense to persuade.

        Practice is the criterion of truth, and the truth is that our flag flew over the Reichstag, and not theirs over the Kremlin. I wonder what the author had in mind when he titled the article: "The ghost of Tukhachevsky is haunting Russia"? What, if anything, the West will get it in the teeth again, as in 45? laughing

        Are you ready to pay the same price?
        Don't you be confused by the fact that since the 90s, and so, latently, we have been paying the West? Does the middle class with a salary of 17tyr give you some thoughts?
      4. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 16 August 2020 01: 08 New
        0
        ... senseless


        All the pathos down the drain. good
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2020 08: 28 New
      +9
      Quote: bober1982
      Stalinists, ay ....... where are you? yours are beaten.

      Why? Vissarionych just stopped all this orgy in the end, it's a pity that it's too late. There, after all, not everything was as simple as Roman says, there was a certain period of passion for tankettes in the world. At the same time, the production of military equipment, whatever one may say, greatly contributed to the formation of the industry
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 13 August 2020 08: 39 New
        +7
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Vissarionych just all this orgy and eventually stopped

        In some ways, we can agree, in the sense that Stalin rudely interrupted all the saboteurs, Trotskyists, internationalists, double-dealing and enemies of the people.
        He did not spare the red "Bonaparte" either; only a ghost remained from him, as the author correctly noted.
    3. aglet
      aglet 13 August 2020 09: 32 New
      0
      "And since 1930, a construction orgy began in the Soviet Union. The end of the quote. Just incomparable (this is from myself)"
      this is what is called a quote torn from the text
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 13 August 2020 09: 41 New
        0
        Quote: aglet
        End quote

        I will continue ....... They built tanks and planes.
        And, this is all called a construction bacchanalia.
        Where is here
        Quote: aglet
        ripped out quote
  11. DeKo
    DeKo 13 August 2020 07: 27 New
    -2
    The author of this opus positions himself as a patriot of Russia and a fighter of Novorossiya. But reading his crooked articles, you start to think, and not a man, whether this is Navalny. I wanted to translate the Military Review, but after reading this libel, I changed my mind. Let the US State Department translate
    1. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 13 August 2020 09: 24 New
      +2
      What are your claims to Navalny? That Navalny performed the work of an investigative committee? What did people show with property exceeding the official income of individuals? Well, now instead of the property of individuals there is the property of the Russian Federation. So what is Navalny's crime? Can you explain? Is Furgal a crime too? And those who were terrorists yesterday, and today work in law enforcement agencies, who are they? How about those who were terrorists yesterday, and today are Hero of Russia and the head of the republic !?
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 13 August 2020 12: 48 New
        +3
        That he lies a lot. But you don’t care, you have a belief that the authorities only steal.
        1. bk0010
          bk0010 13 August 2020 15: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: EvilLion
          But you do not care, you have a belief that the authorities only steal.
          That is, if the authorities do not only steal, then everything is all right? Is that how it should be?
      2. DeKo
        DeKo 14 August 2020 06: 16 New
        +2
        Do you want a third Chechen war? Putin is wise to tame Kadyrov
        1. SOVIET UNION 2
          SOVIET UNION 2 14 August 2020 07: 27 New
          -4
          Furgal turned out to be dumber than Kadyrov?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 August 2020 15: 38 New
      +5
      And most importantly, copy-paste articles diluted with their crap sucked out of a finger - for comparison, an online article https://vpk.name/news/431368_tanketki-2020_i_novaya_tuhachevshina.html
  12. Olddetractor
    Olddetractor 13 August 2020 07: 38 New
    +1
    War is the area of ​​the unreliable: three-quarters of what the action on the war is based on lies in the fog of obscurity, and therefore, in order to reveal the truth, first of all, a subtle, flexible, perceptive mind is required ... in reality is faced with a completely different state of affairs than expected; this cannot but affect his plan, or at least those ideas about the situation that formed the basis of this plan. If the influence of new data is so strong that it decisively cancels all accepted assumptions, then others should take the place of the latter, but for this there is usually not enough data, since in the stream of activity events overtake the decision and do not give time not only to maturely think over the new position, but even take a good look around. However, much more often the correction of our ideas about the situation and familiarization with the encountered accident are not enough to completely overturn our intentions, but they can still shake them. Our familiarity with the situation is growing, but our uncertainty is not diminishing, but on the contrary - it is increasing. The reason for this is that the necessary information is not obtained immediately, but gradually. Our solutions are constantly being pushed by new data, and our spirit must remain fully armed at all times.
    Clausewitz K. Chapter 3 // "About the war." - M .: Gosvoenizdat, 1934

    Confused inquisitive minds - fog of war, fog of war
  13. Free wind
    Free wind 13 August 2020 07: 39 New
    +9
    Wheeled-tracked tanks are very difficult to manufacture, they often break down. Shoeing the caterpillar is also not easy. The refusal was justified, the proof of the T-34 reached Berlin. Recoilless weapons, they had positive aspects, in one form or another they still exist. As for tanks, knowledge was being developed, they just left the MS-1, and they still had a poor idea of ​​where to go next. Modern robots, flying drones are being searched for, from microdrones to very large strikers. It is the same on earth, it is not yet clear what is needed.
  14. ghby
    ghby 13 August 2020 07: 47 New
    +1
    And how, do you believe in thousands of combat robots who will collect the hands of workers from among the citizens of the middle class with a salary of 17 rubles in dirty workshops?
    o-o-o stamps went. "Will foreign countries help us?", "WE do not produce anything", well, well.
  15. Per se.
    Per se. 13 August 2020 08: 47 New
    +3
    In vain, Roman tied his criticism of modernity to the image of Tukhachevsky, who, like any person, had his mistakes, but in general he did a lot to strengthen the armed forces of the USSR. The fact that there will always be fools and traitors who will distort everything is not his fault, especially since there is no fault at all for the pogrom in June 1941. Yes, tanks were becoming the main striking force, Heinz Guderian noted this in his book "Tanks Forward!", Thanks to tank fists the Germans achieved the surrender of France and reached the Volga with us. Had Hitler had as many tanks as in the USSR, the Barbarosa plan was probably successfully implemented.

    Our trouble by 1941 was that Tukhachevsky had already been shot, had he stayed alive, and in his position, the Red Army, most likely, would have "washed boots", if not in the English Channel, then in the Rhine. Namely, at the exercises in the 30s of the Red Army, the actions of our BT made a strong impression on foreign observers. Nobody needed the Christie's tank before, not only us, but also the British, who began to produce "cruiser" tanks.

    Also, about thousands of tanks in storage. There were already clever guys from "defective managers" who wanted to destroy all stocks of Soviet tanks (T-64, T-72, T-80) and make 2-4 thousand "Armats" (on a still crude, expensive and complex base) , this is with piece production, in fact, with one remaining tank building center in Nizhny Tagil. So, such thrifty "well-wishers" would be shot. They were hampered not only by the stocks of tanks, but also by the same AKs, of which there are supposedly too many in storage. Apparently, they do not need a mobilization reserve, apparently, if there is a war, they will have all the factories and workers in abundance ... As for the tanks for parades, mastodons, the heavy BMP T-15 is commensurate in size with the five-turret T-35. Who has such an oversized BMP and what is really needed for it is a big question, as well as how correct it was to ruin a supertank with a 152 mm cannon, and instead of a reinforcement tank, come up with an expensive and complex headset platform. Here, there is no need for enemies, their monopolists and fools will destroy the army in such capitalism.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 13 August 2020 09: 05 New
      +2
      Again this nonsense about tanks. Come on, explain how you, with tanks of the Pz-III type with a 37 mm cannon, will break through any obstacle more serious than a blockage of logs, especially if it is protected by a large number of anti-tank guns. But you won't, you will get up and wait for the gun.

      In general, Tukhachevsky was shot, as it were. And after that I had to fix a lot of things feverishly.

      It's ridiculous about the one remaining tank building center, in practice in the world now the only remaining factories cannot load, the production of thousands of tanks for UVZ does not present any problems at all.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 13 August 2020 09: 27 New
        +4
        Quote: EvilLion
        Again this nonsense about tanks. Come on, explain how you, with tanks of the Pz-III type with a 37 mm cannon, will break through any obstacle more serious than a blockage of logs
        Are you asking me, young man? Personally, I don't owe you anything in my opinion, write a better comment on the article itself. And here Pz-III, and that "a lot of things to correct feverishly" after Tukhachevsky, as well as about UVZ, let it be your personal opinion, which should not be imposed by the ultimate truth. Good luck.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 13 August 2020 09: 54 New
          +1
          Well, you argue about the decisive role of tanks. It became interesting to me how tanks, capable of marching with the infantry at the most and throwing a grenade at the enemy, are able to solve the problem of breaking through the defense. No, it's easy to chase a defeated enemy, in this even in the Middle Ages there were no equals for light cavalry, which won a battle, it's still how it will turn out, but it was always the first to plunder.
          1. aglet
            aglet 13 August 2020 12: 41 New
            0
            "It became interesting to me how tanks, capable of going along with the infantry at the most and throwing a grenade at the enemy, are able to solve the problem of breaking through the defense."
            broke through from 1939 to 1943, it all depends on the management and qualifications of the performers. by September 1941, the entire cadre red army was either destroyed or taken prisoner. And these are all tanks, "capable of marching with the infantry as much as possible."
            1. EvilLion
              EvilLion 13 August 2020 12: 51 New
              0
              I don't need to pour this nonsense into my ears. Explain how the Wehrmacht broke through fortifications with tanks with 37 mm cannons. And why in the so-called. tank division of the Wehrmacht 1 tank accounted for 100 people. l / s.
              1. bk0010
                bk0010 13 August 2020 15: 30 New
                +5
                Quote: EvilLion
                Explain how the Wehrmacht broke through fortifications with tanks with 37 mm cannons.
                Let me explain. The Wehrmacht did not break through the fortifications. He was leading a blitzkrieg. Having stumbled upon a defense center, the Germans retreated, called in aviation, then, together with the usual infantry, tried again. It didn't work out - they pulled up the artillery, repeated the attack, etc. But the main focus was that those who stumbled upon the knot and those who carried out repeated attacks are completely different troops. The first - bypassed the defense center, intercepted roads, destroyed the rear. As a result, the defenders only have what was in the divisional or regimental warehouse. They will be over in a week at the most. And they will become unarmed encircles in the deep German rear. And with such an organization, it was not possible to stop the enemy, regardless of the steepness of the available equipment (yes, even the IS-2 would not help). The Germans themselves stopped trying to take Moscow. And at 44, we already staged a blitzkrieg (10 Stalinist strikes) and the Germans also could not stop it. Yes, without tanks of the Pz-III type, blitzkrieg will not work, the same BT-7 has a motor resource of only about 150 hours - not enough for deep coverage.
              2. aglet
                aglet 13 August 2020 15: 58 New
                -1
                "I don't need to pour this nonsense into my ears. Explain how the Wehrmacht broke through fortifications with tanks with 37 mm cannons."
                so I don't know how. but Minsk was surrendered on the seventh day of the war, and the encirclement under Vyazma on October 2 was not without them. and about 100 personnel - tanks broke through and surrounded, and the infantry cleaned
      2. aglet
        aglet 13 August 2020 12: 37 New
        +3
        "Come on, explain how you and Pz-III tanks with a 37 mm cannon will break through any obstacle more serious than a log heap,"
        no, well, how did they break through. the only thing was that the 50mm gun was changed, and a few screens were hung. and so break through nicho, right up to stalingrad
      3. Polente the Wanderer
        Polente the Wanderer 13 August 2020 13: 16 New
        +1
        "I had to fix a lot of things feverishly."
        What to fix?
        Or can he continue what he did not finish?
    2. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 13 August 2020 09: 27 New
      -2
      How many victories did Tukhachevsky have as a commander?
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 13 August 2020 09: 49 New
        +1
        In Civilian something could, 25-year-old general. He blew near Warsaw, although there was not only his "merit", in fact, that's why he was not given a hat at that time.
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 13 August 2020 12: 40 New
      +4
      Quote: Per se.
      Our trouble by 1941 was that Tukhachevsky had already been shot, had he stayed alive, and in his position, the Red Army, most likely, would have "washed boots" if not in the English Channel, then in the Rhine.

      The maximum is in the Vistula. Painfully waiting until the so-called. the "rear" will bring up fuel and ammunition and while the scanty repair capacities will repair the failed equipment.
      For tank horde in Tukhachevsky's view, these are brigades of the 30s. No infantry, virtually no artillery, and rudimentary rear lines. The main thing for the marshal was military equipment. And he paid little attention to the rear and repairs.
      You can still remember how Tukhachevsky wanted to create a rifle division, super-saturated with weapons, reducing its number to 7 thousand people. In fact, only riflemen and crews / vehicle crews would remain in the division.
      What a division of 7 thousand people. It is either a division without artillery, or it is a division with artillery without cover. In general, this is not a division, this is a disgrace. How can there be such a division. I asked Tukhachevsky how you, a person who calls himself an expert in this matter, how can you insist that the size of the division be increased to 7 thousand people and at the same time demand that we have a division of 60 ... 40 howitzers and 20 cannons so that we had so many tanks, such and such artillery, and so many mortars. Here one of two things, either you have to take all this technique to hell and put some shooters on, or you have to put this technique on. He says to me: "Comrade Stalin, this is a hobby." This is not a hobby, this is sabotage carried out by the orders of the German Reichswehr
      © IVS
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 13 August 2020 14: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        You can also remember how Tukhachevsky wanted to create a rifle division, super-saturated with weapons, reducing its number to 7 thousand people.
        Alexey, the one who does nothing is not mistaken. Without Tukhachevsky, who prevented the victory in June 1941? You can pull on any marshal and general of negative, mistakes. Yes, Tukhachevsky had his own theories then, and, for example, Giulio Douet, an Italian military theorist, who believed that a war could be won with one aircraft.

        In my opinion, under Tukhachevsky the Red Army was one of the strongest, with I-16, TB-3, with maneuverable BT. There were dead-end and adventurous projects, but where without them in any business, especially when instead of the usual there was an era of "war of motors", where much had to be created anew, both in theory and in practice.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 13 August 2020 14: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: Per se.
          In my opinion, under Tukhachevsky the Red Army was one of the strongest, with I-16, TB-3, with maneuverable BT.

          Tabularly and according to reports - yes.
          And when they get the documents out of the units, it immediately turns out that the I-16 has eternal problems with the engines, the BT has eternal problems with the engines, the TB-3 ... you won't believe it. smile
          And then this technique enters the army - and its defects are aggravated by illiterate use. The teachings of 1936 went according to the scenario only by the incredible efforts of intermediaries. In fact ...
          The infantry goes on the attack "in crowds from squads", and without the interaction of fire and movement:
          squads, platoons and companies went on the attack, ignoring the fire of the defense, they did not prepare their attack with machine-gun fire, did not practice lying and dashing, self-entrenching, did not throw grenades

          Artillerymen do not know how to interact with infantry and tanks.
          Tankers generally anneal
          T-28s from the 1st BVO tank brigade "suddenly" found themselves in front of a strip of tank traps and gouges and were forced to turn sharply to the side - to a not yet explored area of ​​the terrain, where they got stuck.

          T-26s from the 15th and 17th mechanized brigades of the KVO repeatedly struck "at an empty place". BT-5 and BT-7 from the 5th and 21st mechanized brigades of the BVO could not detect the ambushes.
          © Smirnov. Great maneuvers.
          In short, Budyonny was right:
          We sometimes hover on a very large operational and strategic scale, and what will we operate with if the company is not suitable, the platoon is not suitable, and the detachment is not suitable?
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 14 August 2020 06: 41 New
            -1
            Quote: Alexey RA
            In short, Budyonny was right
            Budyonny and Voroshilov are famous "cavalrymen" who opposed to prepare for the "war of engines". How much benefit these marshals have brought, why they were actually removed from the leadership in the war, is also a question. Why is it only Tukhachevsky who is blamed for everything? Thank you for at least Shaposhnikov staying with us by the beginning of the war.

            As for the problems with the I-16 and other types of equipment, do you not know that all models have them, refinement and improvement never stops at the time of production and subsequent operation. This is also not Tukhachevsky's fault.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 14 August 2020 10: 26 New
              +2
              Quote: Per se.
              Budyonny and Voroshilov are well-known "cavalrymen" who opposed to prepare for a "war of engines".

              Uh-huh ... cavalrymen were so opposed to the "war of motors" that in the pre-war cavalry division (9000 people) there was already a tank regiment - 64 BT.
              As for Comrade Voroshilov ... where did Pyotr Voroshilov study, served and worked there? wink
              Quote: Per se.
              How much benefit these marshals have brought, why they were actually removed from the leadership in the war, is also a question.

              I won't say about Voroshilov, but Comrade Budyonny first tried to convey to Headquarters the inevitability of the encirclement of the troops he led in the Kiev region (for which he flew out of office). And then, in 1942, he managed to knock out of the headquarters the order to withdraw his troops to the line of the Main Caucasian ridge - and left the infantry from tanks without huge boilers in the style of 1941. Moreover, he broke through this order after the issuance of order No. 227.
        2. avdkrd
          avdkrd 14 August 2020 01: 32 New
          -3
          Quote: Per se.
          the one who does nothing is not mistaken. Without Tukhachevsky, who prevented the victory in June 1941

          Then it interfered:
          A line of defense stretched across borders. Blatant sabotage of orders interfered. Such characters as Zhukov interfered. Yes mlyn, there were such characters.
    4. EvilLion
      EvilLion 13 August 2020 13: 10 New
      +2
      Thank God he got involved in a conspiracy and was shot. Together with many of the same would-be warriors. So they were replaced by normal generals who had served from lieutenants. It's scary to think what would have happened if all these Tukhachevskys, Yakirs and other Gamarniks continued to steer.
    5. Nikolay Krylikov
      Nikolay Krylikov 15 August 2020 17: 29 New
      0
      Are you sure that the tanks stored (for decades) are combat-ready? Most likely, these are mountains of scrap metal.
    6. Siberian54
      Siberian54 19 August 2020 10: 03 New
      0
      So the foe has "delirious" and we don't have such a whopper ..
  16. sevtrash
    sevtrash 13 August 2020 08: 54 New
    0
    If you count the developments that went into the series and those that did not go into the series, then there will be more of the latter. Some new things are sometimes difficult to appreciate, that's why they are new. Atomic aircraft, for example, development of j47, Tu119, SLAM, Valkyrie, Tempest. Like a payment for development.
    But yes, there is also a cut. When they do practically nothing to justify this very cut.
  17. EvilLion
    EvilLion 13 August 2020 08: 57 New
    +2
    Again, this is hysteria. I'm only afraid that the number of robots in South Korea means nothing at all. Firstly, many robots are needed in assembly plants, I have installed a thousand robots that will solder microcircuits, here are the statistics, and at this time in backward Russia they are building on specials. ordering a nuclear reactor for which thousands of robots are not needed, but there are many places where microcircuits can be soldered, but to build a nuclear reactor, so RosAtom actually remained a monopolist.

    Secondly, the robot needs electricity, that is, no one needs robots without developed energy.

    Thirdly, all this Skomorokhovo lies about the fact that the army has 3.5 tanks, the Su-57 will not be. He has already been poked into signed contracts hundreds of times, but it seems that he continues to work off someone's 500 rubles.
    1. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 13 August 2020 23: 22 New
      -2
      many robots are needed in assembly plants


      In modern war, assembly robots and other robots will replace specialists leaving for the front, as it was in WWI and WWII, only there women and children replaced workers. Therefore, it is important to have not only many assembly robots but a powerful robotics industry.
      Robots are now and are rapidly improving, for example, commercial companies are improving autopilot programs for driving any equipment - they already drive equipment, on average, better than any experienced driver (with the exception of specific excesses), while they do not get tired, have increased throughput on the road only with drones; they are also miniaturized and simplified. In general, the issue of introducing any mobile and independent ground robots is, in fact, a matter of developing autopilots for them, there are good articles on the topic: "The first accident of an unmanned vehicle" https://habr.com/ru/post/125892/ and "How unmanned vehicle "Google" works "https://habr.com/ru/post/143478/" Google has developed a digital simulator in the style of the "Matrix" "https://habr.com/ru/post/234361/" Unmanned vehicles Google demonstrate a racing style of driving "https://habr.com/ru/post/114916/
      Robotization will allow, in fact, to reach a new level of conflict tension - for example, to produce and consume small, simple military robots, large, by modern standards, and constantly being improved technically, in series, for example, with a consumption of 1,5-3 million pieces per week - Naturally, with an army consisting only of people, such losses are simply unacceptable, and replenishment is impossible - people need to be "made" for decades and not in a matter of hours at a specialized plant, so the involvement of people in military operations will gradually become possible only as operators of robotic systems ... There is no need to panic - you need to think about the fact that the situation has changed under the influence of progress.
    2. Aag
      Aag 14 August 2020 09: 10 New
      0
      Quote: EvilLion
      Again, this is hysteria. I'm only afraid that the number of robots in South Korea means nothing at all. Firstly, many robots are needed in assembly plants, I have installed a thousand robots that will solder microcircuits, here are the statistics, and at this time in backward Russia they are building on specials. ordering a nuclear reactor for which thousands of robots are not needed, but there are many places where microcircuits can be soldered, but to build a nuclear reactor, so RosAtom actually remained a monopolist.

      Secondly, the robot needs electricity, that is, no one needs robots without developed energy.

      Thirdly, all this Skomorokhovo lies about the fact that the army has 3.5 tanks, the Su-57 will not be. He has already been poked into signed contracts hundreds of times, but it seems that he continues to work off someone's 500 rubles.

      I could agree with you if:
      1.Our factories could do without imported microcircuits.
      2. Countries with advanced robotics would not solve their problems with electricity and energy very successfully.
      3. In response to military aggression (threat of aggression), it would be enough to "poke" the aggressor in the snout with the concluded contract for the supply of military equipment.
  18. Maks1995
    Maks1995 13 August 2020 09: 05 New
    -4
    Great article. We will leave the tactical features of tankettes, although everything seems to be correct.
    But PR, lies, peremogs and wunder are described perfectly.

    I propose to put the word WUNDER into everyday use.
    "who have no analogues in the world" and write and pronounce it will be tortured
  19. Garm
    Garm 13 August 2020 09: 44 New
    +3
    Well, exactly, tankettes were invented in the Union. The author has not heard of "Cardin Lloyd".
    There is a lot of emotion in the article, and the facts are adjusted to the meaning of the article.
  20. Bez 310
    Bez 310 13 August 2020 10: 24 New
    -2
    I strongly agree with the author !!!
    Tired of reading reports on future achievements
    in all areas. Striking examples of the latest weapons
    - "Armata", Su-57.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 13 August 2020 12: 53 New
      +1
      Ale, they are already purchasing. Come back from your coma.
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 13 August 2020 14: 18 New
        -2
        Very funny...
    2. depressant
      depressant 13 August 2020 15: 10 New
      +3
      Bez 310, reading the news, I really catch myself thinking: how much is planned! And this and this, and the fifth and tenth. And as soon as you will be delighted, pride will fill you, they say, we are growing, as it turns out that all this was planned much earlier, just the dates have been shifted to the future, and his bright image is molded from what the image of a bright future was molded from a dozen years ago , but somehow it accidentally degenerated into our dull present.
      You say: SU-57.
      What do we have?
      Remember, here at VO, last year we discussed this project? The first production aircraft was expected to enter the army by November, but it did not arrive by the end of the year. And this despite the assurances of Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko. Apparently, unpleasant incidents with this aircraft further and further shift the output to the delivery schedule for production aircraft. One is and is being tested so far with the old engine, but serial production of the SU-57 will begin only if the second fighter enters the Aerospace Forces in 2020. Wait, they tell us. Under the contract until 2028, the Aerospace Forces are to receive 76 such aircraft. Where to go - we are waiting. But this is how it is every year! So doubts arise.
      And so far, my favorite project, the Su-57, has tangible PR features. But as the first machine of the 5th generation, the aircraft was supposed to become a control center, support for the Su-35S fighter, which in turn was supposed to become the main fighter of the Russian Aerospace Forces.
      But it doesn't work out here either!
      The production rate of the Su-35S is low and is unlikely to reach the previously planned 120 units. In addition, the Su-35S is a modernization of the Su-27, the project of which was developed in the 60-70s of the last century. It would seem that there was time for debugging. But no.
      And now, instead of the Su-35S, another daughter of the Su-27, namely the Su-30, was chosen as a cheaper version of the PAK FA project. But the trouble is - the Indians, who have bought more than 200 of these machines, claim that the engines are not good for hell. And there are no others.
      Modernization of production is needed, which means money. But for two years now, a proud triumphant noise has been heard: we are cutting costs for the army!
  21. Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 13 August 2020 10: 56 New
    +3
    You can agree with the author or not about new developments and their delivery to the troops and the navy. But in one thing I agree with him 100% - these are "festivals" and "PR actions". When, being already in reserve, after the appointment of Shoigu as Minister of Defense, for the sake of interest, he decided to talk with the guys from the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Emergency Situations about the loss of such a Person, I was surprised to learn that they were not just happy, but happy that he, at one time , (in my opinion to the Moscow region) transferred from the Ministry of Emergencies. That's when I learned, from their words, that Shoigu is a continuous PR campaign. Outwardly, everything is beautiful, well-groomed and looks, but he, how to put it to people ... In general, he is indifferent to the life of his subordinates. He does not value people and will do anything for the sake of his own PR. These are the words of the EMERCOM officers. Well, then a new uniform appeared, Bestuzhevsky courses, tank biathlon, Patriot Park, the main temple and much, much more. And you will talk to ordinary military personnel from ordinary garrisons in rude Russia. You will learn a lot of new things. What will not be shown on TV. request
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 13 August 2020 12: 57 New
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      Tank biathlon from the point of view of cost is a penny question, but from the point of view of attracting young guys to the army it is quite an idea. To see that a tank is cool, and not somewhere in the movies, but you yourself can go to the military registration and enlistment office and enroll in a tank school, it is not so easy. This is usually physically impossible.

      Zhukov also did not spare people. Especially stupid and slow in the execution of orders. Good wartime commanders don't look like good daddies at all.
  22. gvozdan
    gvozdan 13 August 2020 11: 00 New
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    The author is as hysterical as the journalists in which he spits. Either he is indignant about the launch of thousands of markers into the series, then he laments that the wunder will not do much anyway. The propaganda in our country has an exclusively reciprocal mirror character. Even 10-15 years ago, it was hanged from every iron that our army was rusted and not capable of anything. Here is the answer in the form of propaganda for ordinary people. Specialists and without screamers are well aware of everything.
  23. gvozdan
    gvozdan 13 August 2020 11: 04 New
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    About amerskiye cars - that's really where the cut and obscurantism. I had to think better of making an all-terrain vehicle that carries equipment. I propose to immediately double the benefits of this device - let it carry the soldiers themselves too. Oh, this is already called a UAZ. Americans in general are aware that no one has been fighting on foot for a long time and wherever their mule passes, any SUV will pass.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 13 August 2020 12: 59 New
      +1
      It has long been customary among Americans to pass off things that are known to everyone as something unique. You can't sell it otherwise. Although I like walking robots, a bipedal robot that can climb stairs is just a godsend for specialists. services, like firefighters. Walkers can also be useful in the mountains.
  24. dgonni
    dgonni 13 August 2020 11: 57 New
    +1
    Well, nails can be hammered in with a microscope. But it is inconvenient and long. The situation is the same with amphibious tanks and BT tanks. How did the pre-war doctrine read? With little blood and on a foreign land. But on a foreign land there were roads and a darkness of small rivers. The fact that the microscope was unusable in its profile was not the fault of the microscope but the fault of the operator.
    As for the Marker, I agree.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 13 August 2020 13: 03 New
      +3
      The floating wedge is quite suitable for reconnaissance or some kind of tactical operations. And forget this nonsense about "little blood on a foreign land." Nobody in the headquarters had even come close to counting on this. You need to read real plans.

      The BT has nothing to do with the roads, it has to do with saving the meager resource of a large-link caterpillar, which by the end of the 30s lost its relevance, and the BT, in fact, became just a fast tank, which was not recommended to operate on wheels.
  25. BAI
    BAI 13 August 2020 12: 07 New
    +3
    To wage wars in the style of "Star Wars" you need to go through the "Marker". Where to get experience? The Americans? The author, by the way, forgot the robot "Fedor", which can shoot, for which he came under sanctions.
  26. BAI
    BAI 13 August 2020 12: 15 New
    +4
    T-35. A ceremonial mastodon, not fit for anything but parades.

    And who is participating in the battle of Moscow?
    1. aglet
      aglet 13 August 2020 12: 48 New
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      "And who is involved in the battle of Moscow?"
      in service there were about 65 t35, all of them were lost in the west. there were one or two of them near Moscow, as well as near Berlin
      1. BAI
        BAI 13 August 2020 12: 58 New
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        65 t35, they were all lost in the west. there were one or two of them near Moscow, as well as near Berlin

        Well, not all. You yourself write "there were one or two of them near Moscow."
        Near Berlin - tanks from the German Museum of Trophy Equipment.
        Surviving 1 in 65 in 1941 is a very good result.
        1. aglet
          aglet 13 August 2020 16: 04 New
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          "Surviving 1 in 65 in 1941 is a very good result."
          yes, if you do not fight. these two tanks near Moscow, were also from the museum, or from the landfill
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 13 August 2020 13: 05 New
      +3
      Yes, the T-35 regiment fought. Without much success.
  27. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 13 August 2020 12: 27 New
    +5
    TB-1 and TB-3, the prototypes of strategic bombers, completely defenseless and useless. 212 TB-1 and 818 TB-3.

    The same can be said about all aircraft or armored vehicles of the early 30s, if we consider it at the beginning of WWII or WWII. Regardless of the personality of the initiator of its creation.
    TB-3s all 30s played the role of a fleet in being: standing on airfields, they served as a convincing argument against a big war with the USSR in the Far East. Because as a picture "reflection of the raid of the TB-3 regiment by Ki-27 fighters"was too sad for the Japanese side.
    BT-7, wheeled-tracked tanks, which were not used as wheeled ones. Due to the elementary lack of roads. 8 249 pieces of all modifications.

    The reason was different: due to the increase in the mass of the tank, it lost its ability to be wheeled due to the destruction of rubber tires. But his ancestor BT-5 could be wheeled, which was confirmed in Mongolia:
    11th brigade on 28.5.39 at 4.00 was raised by alarm (from 1.00 to 4.00), made a march of 650 km. (Undur-Khan - Tamtsak-Bulak) in 3 days (arrived at 16.00 on 31.5.39).
    The movement was carried out on wheels (BT-5) along unpaved steppe roads. I had to switch to caterpillars 3 times near the river, Kerulen near Undur-Khan (salt marsh, swamp 24 km), Adjar-Galanta-Khid (salt marsh, swamp 5 km), beyond Matat-Somon (salt marsh, swamp 12 km), only on caterpillars - 41 km. In the Tamtsak-Bulak area, the battalions switched to caterpillars.
    © M. Kolomiets. Tanks on Khalkhin Gol.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 13 August 2020 13: 07 New
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      In general, such a march is itself an indicator that the BT-5 has already been brought up to standard.
  28. Fitter65
    Fitter65 13 August 2020 12: 47 New
    +1
    And billions of billions flying away to nowhere.

    Well, this, for you, Roman, is nowhere, but for someone even very much. It was not for nothing that it sounded so menacing from every iron that we would break the tax treaty with Cyprus, like ... In general ... Don’t, because the paper on which the contract was written turns out to cost money, so we need to be more careful with valuable things. ..
  29. vnord
    vnord 13 August 2020 13: 02 New
    +3
    Yaroslavna's cry, not an article .... And robots need to be developed, tested, ... thought about the concept of application ... ... They have a future ..
    1. Fitter65
      Fitter65 13 August 2020 16: 45 New
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      Quote: vnord
      .And robots need to be developed, tested,. Think over the concept of application ... They have a future ..

      This is in a country that purchases components for electronics, where CNC machines are imported from abroad.? ..
  30. Polente the Wanderer
    Polente the Wanderer 13 August 2020 13: 13 New
    +1
    The author probably lived at the age of 30, but judging by other data, Tukhachevsky already in 1931 proposed the actions of mechanized formations, "the possibility, through the massive introduction of tanks, to change the methods of combat and operations ... the ability to create sudden conditions for the development of the operation for the enemy through these innovations."
    "Back in November 1932 he achieved the beginning of work on the design of liquid-fuel rocket engines, and in September 1933 he achieved the creation of the Jet Research Institute, which was engaged in the development of rocket weapons in the USSR."
    Without tankettes and light BT tanks, there would be no T-34 or T-90.
    G. Zhukov “In the post of the first deputy people's commissar of defense, Mikhail Nikolaevich Tukhachevsky did a lot of organizational, creative and scientific work, and we all felt that he was playing the main, leading role in the People's Commissariat of Defense. An intelligent, well-educated professional soldier, he had an excellent understanding of both tactics and strategic issues. MN Tukhachevsky ... knew how to creatively approach any problem ... "[62]
    Marshal Zhukov told the writer Simonov [37]:
    “It must be said that Voroshilov, the then People's Commissar, was an incompetent person in this role. Until the end, he remained an amateur in military matters and never knew them deeply and seriously ... And practically a significant part of the work in the People's Commissariat lay at that time on Tukhachevsky, who was really a military specialist. "
    The trial in the Tukhachevsky case marked the beginning of mass repressions in the Red Army in 1937-1938.
  31. Molot1979
    Molot1979 13 August 2020 13: 13 New
    +4
    Roman, well, don't. The problem with light tanks was not their lightness. The Germans fought on T-2, 3, on Czech T-35 and T-38, which were not much heavier than BTshek and T-26. The problem was the organization of the mechanized units, not which particular tanks were filling them. So here is a reference to Tukhachevsky's experience completely past the box office.
    Robots are a means of fire reinforcement for motorized riflemen, no one plans to rivet tank divisions from them.
    Why there were rivers of snot about dynamo-reactive guns did not understand at all. Do you plan to equip robots with these weapons? Not? Then what was it for? Just Schaub Bulo?
    The specific role of robotics in warfare can be debated. But THIS is not a discussion, but throwing feces on the fan.
    As for faith, everyone is free to believe anything. But you should not impose your faith with streams of saliva with snot and bulging eyes like in a toilet. Many did not believe in our hypersound either. Got a ruptured rectum. Finally, Roma, who are you? Robot specialist? A wonderful strategist and tactician? Marshal? Maybe a gray-haired veteran who has a hundred other battles behind him? Not. An ordinary journalist. Whose competence in the question is not even 0, but a negative value.
    1. aglet
      aglet 13 August 2020 15: 45 New
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      "What were the rivers of snot about dynamo-reactive weapons I didn't understand at all. They plan to arm robots with these weapons? No? Then what was it for?"
      to the fact that resources were wasted, for these devices that no one needed, and it took time
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 14 August 2020 10: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Molot1979
      The Germans fought on T-2, 3, on Czech T-35 and T-38, which were not much heavier than BTshek and T-26.

      The Czechs were already the next generation of LT - 9-10 tons.
      The T-26 is a six-ton ​​truck. And this was his main problem - the reserve for modernization had already been selected by 1937-1938. The late T-26s were equal in weight to the "Czechs", but at the same time they were overloaded (the suspension and chassis worked at the limit, and the engine, even after forcing, was frankly weak), while the chassis of the "Czech" made it possible to calmly increase the mass to 11-12 tons.
      Simple comparison: on the chassis of the "Czech" it was possible to create an SPG with a 15-cm infantry gun. The T-26 chassis, even after being reworked and reinforced, could not withstand the 152-mm mortar (SU-5-3).
      No wonder the Czech LT was considered by the GABTU in the second half of the 30s as one of the options for replacing the T-26.
  32. malyvalv
    malyvalv 13 August 2020 13: 14 New
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    The question is always the use of technology.
    For example, you will need to conduct reconnaissance in force to open up the enemy defense. And what to send? Armata? Quadric infantry?
    Yes, robots will destroy. But on the other hand, the enemy's positions will be revealed, which is important. This technique is also needed.
    1. aglet
      aglet 13 August 2020 16: 08 New
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      "For example, it will be necessary to conduct reconnaissance in force to open the enemy defense."
      Do you think that there will be trench lines, unknown enemy groupings, who knows where? drones and satellites, and even aerial reconnaissance - faster, more accurate and cheaper
      1. malyvalv
        malyvalv 14 August 2020 02: 45 New
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        There have been and will be defense systems, and there is camouflage and false positions against drones and satellites. Reconnaissance in force is relevant in any case.
        1. aglet
          aglet 14 August 2020 08: 34 New
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          "and there is camouflage and false positions against drones and satellites."
          on robots, supposedly, disguise does not work? and what kind of robot it is - my son, when he was small, had a lot of such cars, for radio control. Toko this will be more, and more expensive. against such machines, the electronic warfare service works well, pressed the key, and that's it, neither you reconnaissance, nor you fight, and even start bullets at its own
          1. malyvalv
            malyvalv 14 August 2020 09: 19 New
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            on robots, like, disguise does not work?

            The one that is not against drones does not work.
            The electronic warfare service is also an element of defense. And also subject to destruction. If a robot can open it, that's great.
  33. wow
    wow 13 August 2020 13: 27 New
    0
    The author of the article is a stupid person or just a city man! ???
  34. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 13 August 2020 13: 38 New
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    "BT-7, wheeled-tracked tanks, which were not used as wheeled ones. Due to the elementary lack of roads."
    The author is not aware that the concept of using the BT-7 implied the conduct of hostilities "with little blood on foreign territory"? ALIEN! That is, in Europe, where there were a lot of roads with good coverage. And where is the lack of logic here?
    And the author got the impression that in the USSR there were completely mediocrities with exuberant imagination. The one who DOES NOT DO ANYTHING is not mistaken. The author, it seems, has made a lot of things to think so one-sidedly with an intelligent air.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 14 August 2020 11: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Black Colonel
      The author is not aware that the concept of using the BT-7 implied the conduct of hostilities "with little blood on foreign territory"? ALIEN! That is, in Europe, where there were a lot of roads with good coverage

      Where can you get acquainted with this concept? Well, except in the writings of Rezun?

      The concept of using BT implied saving the resource of the tracks by switching to a wheel drive on the march. The problem with the resource of the tracks was generally resolved only in the mid-30s (however, even in the early 40s, there were complaints from parts about the resource of the T-34 tracks).
      And the hard coating for the BT wheel travel was undesirable - the notorious rubber tire bands on hard-surface roads were prone to destruction. The dirt road was ideal for wheel travel.

      As for the concept, do not confuse the concept and propaganda. In the USSR of the 30s, propaganda and military planning practically did not coincide:
      It should be noted that the propaganda speeches of political and military leaders contained somewhat different tasks than the military plans developed under their leadership. So, in 1936, K. Ye. Voroshilov proclaimed the slogan that the Red Army would wage war "with little blood and on foreign territory." But this statement did not prevent the approval of the next year’s plan of evacuation from areas that may be occupied by the enemy, and the next norms of losses for the year of the war, which had very little in common with the mentioned slogan. Therefore, when analyzing preparations for war, it is very important to separate political propaganda from the real direction of military planning.
      © Melia A.A. Mobilization training of the national economy of the USSR.
  35. boriz
    boriz 13 August 2020 13: 54 New
    +2
    "... outwardly very reminiscent of the would-be People's Commissar Marshal Mikhail Tukhachevsky."
    Tukhachevsky was never a People's Commissar.
  36. Pivasik
    Pivasik 13 August 2020 14: 00 New
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    the "donkey" robot will probably be useful to the company foreman ... the rest of the "thoughts out loud", as they say, require additional study recourse
    1. Shiden
      Shiden 13 August 2020 20: 11 New
      +1
      Sorry, but you were in the army, otherwise your comment looks like you saw the army only at parades and on TV. You know how many soldiers wear equipment in real military operations, it is only in films that they show an armor, a machine gun, a helmet and actors who are in With this equipment it is easy and not forced to defeat enemies, but the reality is completely different.
  37. tolancop
    tolancop 13 August 2020 14: 38 New
    +5
    The material is empty. It is NOW known which of the models of equipment and weapons turned out to be unusable (unsuccessful). THEN it was far from obvious. And the author dragged Tukhachevsky in vain. He wanted 100 thousand tanks. Did you get it? Who would give them to him! Even if the country had a production and technical base for these 100 thousand tanks, Tukhachevsky would not have received what he wanted, since people sat next to him and above him. And without the T-27, BT and others, the T-34 would not exist. Out of nowhere, masterpieces do not appear. The part about robots is generally enchanting. The author, apparently, has never seen an INDUSTRIAL robot and has no idea how it differs from the military. The name is the same, but the essence is completely different. The author does not like modern developments. Yes, it's expensive. Yes, not always successful. Cuts and waste? Surely there is, however, as in the 30s. But there is nowhere to go, the costs that will seem unjustified tomorrow, had to go and will have to. And it always has been. And it always will. Once I came across an excellent phrase (I don't remember the author): "The cost of a masterpiece includes the cost of everything incompetent, created before it ...". IMHO, it's impossible to say better.
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  38. aglet
    aglet 13 August 2020 15: 39 New
    -1
    Quote: saigon
    Mr. Aiguillette well, look at the staff of a rifle company of the Red Army at the beginning of 1941 and then talk about a mosinka.
    Everything is available about the divisions of the western districts, the mech corps, and compare our rifle squad with the bourgeoisie, look at the number of automatic weapons we have and the bourgeois Wehrmacht have.
    Calculate SVT, PPD and PD with us and compare with the number of MG and MP38 -40 they have.
    It is not difficult and not long. Well, modern Pz-1b Pz-2 is strong.

    I know all this very well, so what, did it help?
  39. evgen1221
    evgen1221 13 August 2020 15: 54 New
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    Here the author considers a robot gun useful for the infantry, but after all, a foot gun will pass where not all equipment will crawl, and again, if equipment crawls, then, in addition to the luggage, people will inappropriately go on it, because there are not many on foot either, in short, in addition to the luggage for this robot, the infantry will climb. And then there is no point in this robo. As in our robotic fighter, too, here I agree with the author. In my opinion, something autonomously digging trenches and a platform for remotely autonomous fire (like in the movie Jackal with Willis) and adapted for different weapons is more useful for the infantry. Reconnaissance pilots and something capable of finding an enemy beyond 3500m and throwing a grenade on their head and preferably flushing back are also more useful than these robotic platforms.
  40. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 13 August 2020 16: 48 New
    -3
    Well, purely for fun ... laughing
    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation would give me at least 10 million rubles - I would buy official devices through official stores - and stop Marker in the open field for tests - in the format - I am against Marker tongue

    Pilezh money - this "Marker" - for the current moment - no more than !!! tongue
  41. DemikSPb
    DemikSPb 13 August 2020 17: 10 New
    +4
    Roman Skomorokhov is a brilliant example of Soviet official analytics, very close to the legacy of Tukhachevsky from this article. Emotional, vivid and imaginative method of presentation, accurate and precise ignoring of facts that did not fit into the declared concept.
  42. yriuv62
    yriuv62 13 August 2020 17: 52 New
    +4
    It is unclear why the author of Tukhachevsky stubbornly calls the people's commissar? He never was. If the author does not know such elementary things, then the whole article is questionable.
  43. Arthur 85
    Arthur 85 13 August 2020 18: 39 New
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    Um ... Well, that humanity will give way to robots, in 100 or 1000 years, for me there is no doubt. We are too individualistic for the Earth to tolerate us for so long.
  44. Oleg133
    Oleg133 13 August 2020 19: 10 New
    +3
    Count the best bearing factories. The fingers of one hand are enough. And this, everything that spins and rides will stop spinning and driving
    1. Aag
      Aag 14 August 2020 09: 35 New
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      Quote: Oleg133
      Count the best bearing factories. The fingers of one hand are enough. And this, everything that spins and rides will stop spinning and driving

      That's right!
      Unfortunately, most of those who "can repeat" about this, not only do not think, do not even suspect ...
  45. Zakonnik
    Zakonnik 13 August 2020 20: 01 New
    -4
    I fully support it. The fabulous systematically brings the country according to the canons of Tukhachevsky ...
  46. rusboris
    rusboris 13 August 2020 20: 20 New
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    Every problem has a last name. The dead should not be disturbed. Let's talk about today's government customer. In my opinion, they have now put the right person. Borisov Yu. I. Are there any specific claims to him? Let us turn to the rich domestic experience of preparation and conduct of interstate wars. For example, consider the period 1960-1978. Claims that the USSR could destroy the United States and NATO three or five times in a row now look like nonsense. But this nonsense turned into economic poverty for the peoples of the USSR and a waste of labor of millions of workers and peasants. Destruction once is enough for NATO. As it turned out in the process of negotiations between the leaders of the DPRK and the United States, one hundredth of a percent of the unacceptable risk is enough for the aggressor. Therefore, we do R&D and start mass production in doses. It is desirable to sell more abroad. To beat on the hands, amateurs at public expense to produce any armor crap should be uncompromising. Fans of "wheeled tanks" and other "markers" have hesitated lately. I wish the author of the article every success.
  47. Meshchersky
    Meshchersky 13 August 2020 23: 01 New
    0
    the author seems to have read a lot of "literature"! It's time for him to sneak into Putin's office and teach him how to do it.
  48. Cer59
    Cer59 14 August 2020 00: 00 New
    +1
    guys, don't scold the author.
    just from his side there is a one-sided perception of history. development of technical thought. and to understand its fallacy, let us consider the question that torments those who look at history at least a little through the prism of technical development.
    to come up with a technical object is not difficult, so what? what is so much? difficult however.
    Simply put, we decide to copy a toy, a transformer in our time. everyone knows such a toy. looked turned over, postponed. and we also have a 3D scanner, a 3D printer with 2 nozzles, 3 CNC machines. 3D editors. it turned out that we also have a brain.
    the brain looked at our torment and said - okay, make me a bus length 500 mm width 180 mm height 150 mm, yes, with the opening of cargo spaces, doors and the rear engine hood.
    and so on to the attack. they stopped at the 7th option, smoothly on the drawings, but the product is not. even crack, what is terrible to show. spat the brain and says at least do it tiddly ...
    but by the 10th option, we finished off everything except opening the packages.
    ink, orchestra.
    and then a voice - and paint?
    here without haste, grinding, priming, painting. polishing.
    sat down and considered shedding tears, 7800 rubles with all costs.
    yes for this money ...
    the point is that there was nothing to do in our country.
    and the worst is no one.
    and the country is large, the border is long.
    t-26 two-tower is what all the military are now trying to achieve with a scattered fire stream. that is, in other words, we clean the trenches. ran into her and machine guns to the right and left.
    cleanliness is the guarantee of health.
    T-26 45 mm tank was ideal for its time. in Spain he burned everything that was. until the anti-tank artillery pulled up. and the tank ended like. but no. until 1944 he fought near Leningrad, albeit with additional armor.
    bt -2, -5, -7 excellent strike and blitzkrieg tanks. in 45 against the Japanese they showed themselves perfectly. reached the Sea of ​​Japan. the trouble is, like the T-26 has weak armor.
    and if the bt increased its armor was due to problems with the chassis, the t-26 had no problems with changing its armor, but the desire to get candy from what was. didn't work out.
    but could,
    t-28 tank of our Victory. the kt-28 was changed to the f-34, the firepower of the t-34, the armor allowed to increase the mass to 32-33 tons. not even simple shielding has been done since 1938. in Finnish, about 60 pieces twitched and that was all. and the release was about 600. By 1940, the tank was one head superior to the T-34. read about its development
    Tank T-28: a different look. http://alternathistory.com/tank-t-28-inoi-vzglyad/
    and so I had a conversation with the grandson of one of the designers of the Kirov plant. he confirmed the presence of almost all the proposed modifications except the BMP. but because of the powerful lobby of Kharkov, everything was buried and the KV began to fine-tune it.
    t - 35 oooo song. we tear off the trench and drive it along it to break through it is not possible, nevertheless, 53 cannons and a bunch of machine guns ...
    there is one question and who is in command, that's the answer. using the tanks correctly without pushing them to the border with 0,25 refueling, and hitting the Germans with a full set would have a different picture.
    just shouting about the t-27 in vain is not necessary as she drove the Basmachi.
    and most importantly, without this technique, there would be no Victory.
    and robots that they will develop the main thing to set the task. RIGHT.
    Well, the bus was not bad either. licked it all the same. the team decided to put it up for 12 rubles. the price is prohibitive, that is, prohibitive. yes there is light, there is the sound of a motor, but still .....
    two days later he was gone, we are in a stupor! who is led to him. a tourist was installed on the surveillance camera, we even cried ...
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 14 August 2020 13: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Cer59
      t-26 two-tower is what all the military are now trying to achieve with a scattered fire stream. that is, in other words, we clean the trenches. ran into her and machine guns to the right and left.
      cleanliness is the guarantee of health.

      The concept turned out to be unviable: without the accompaniment of its infantry, a tank that reached the trench was set on fire by enemy infantry. And the escort infantry was cut off by enemy infantry fire, which was extremely difficult to suppress with machine-gun fire without "getting into the trench". Plus the problem of enemy anti-tank weapons, which were extremely difficult to suppress with machine gun fire. Plus field fortifications (the same suddenly revived machine-gun bunkers, which had to be crushed very quickly - artillery is not an assistant here).
      Quote: Cer59
      T-26 45 mm tank was ideal for its time. in Spain he burned everything that was. until the anti-tank artillery pulled up.

      Ideal before the 37mm anti-tank gun was introduced. That is, somewhere before 1933-1934. Already in 1937, it was recognized as obsolete and in need of replacement (which included the Czech of the 35th model).
      Quote: Cer59
      bt -2, -5, -7 excellent strike and blitzkrieg tanks.

      With an average technical speed less than that of the T-26. smile
      And the average technical - 12-15 km / h for the BT versus 15-17 km / h for the T-26. This is such a dialectic, panimaish.
      "Average technical speed - the speed of the clean movement of the column, developed on the march (over 100 km), taking into account the necessary repairs, maintenance, etc. during the march." (c) M. Svirin with reference to the "Tank (Commander's Manual)" 1939
      © D. Shein
      Quote: Cer59
      and if the increase in armor of the BT was associated with problems with the suspension, the T-26 had no problems with changing its problems,

      Well, yes ... no problems, except for the suspension and chassis from a 6-ton tank. And a motor designed for the same 6 tons. Moreover, the motor was so tightly "packed" that a replacement could be designed only in 1940.
      Do you remember how the attempts to create an ACS on the T-26 chassis ended? On the reinforced chassis.
      The limit for the T-26 is 9 tons. 10 tons is already an overload.
      1. Cer59
        Cer59 14 August 2020 21: 47 New
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        and so I am glad for your answer. suspension limit of that English 6 tons. our 9 tons, this is great suspension without modification, there were options with a reinforced suspension and a mass of up to 12 tons, as we have experimental and the Poles have serial ones. unfortunately you do not see the similarity of the T-26 with the fate of another German T-3 tank. and so that prevented from changing the suspension. just changing the chassis was not held in high esteem by the designers. and changing the shape of the T-28's frontal armor, even by overlaying 20 mm, played a positive role, but again not the desire to get involved with the chassis.
        But with the BT series, everything was much easier, according to the stories, having removed the wheel drives there was a real opportunity to increase the side armor and frontal. By the way, such a tank was in the Red Army in 42. before the loss of Kharkov, the drives and all this wheel crap were removed in recent days. according to the story of the driver's son of this tank, the forehead was reinforced with a 30 mm sheet of armor, Dad said he was tormented getting out of the tank. the tank was shot down at Stalingrad. more precisely blown up after the explosion of the bridge.
        we will not talk about the average technical speed at all, this is complete nonsense.
        with the support of infantry, tanks were attacked by both ours and the Germans at a speed of 5-8 km / h. fools ran into a grenade, neither we nor them. but the fact that the speed of the kv and t-34 did not match the speed of the infantry is a question ...
        if we went for a breakthrough, then above the technological speed, neither we, the Germans, could not accelerate.

        about the recognition of the T-26 as obsolete in 37-38, tell the Americans who riveted much worse light tanks throughout the war. so no offense. T-26 was intended for what? to support the infantry !!!! so, perhaps better than him, and in our time who can cope, beetles do not have authority, well, he does not have a military education ...
        the T-26 is crawling behind the infantry trenches and hollows everything that crawls. and hell, what can you do to him. however as well as bt.
        after the capture of our tanks by Israel from the moronic Arabs, the towers were removed from the tanks and equipped with four or five firing points on them. the prototype of our terminator.
        so that the 2-turret T-26 had the right to life with proper use with the infantry, in particular, increasing the caliber of the machine gun to 12,7 or 14 mm.

        and in the end the Germans have a t-1 weighing almost 26 tons. armor 80 mm. everyone laughs at him, one tower 2 machine guns.
        and so, according to the recollections of the partisans. there was no more terrible tank for them. burned everything down to tigers and panthers. but this little bastard, try to burn it. captured only when planted in a swamp. for that then they made a rustle. because they already knew the hell out of it. but as they said 8na8 still burned.
        the ability to use technique correctly is an indisputable advantage of an intelligent and competent commander.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 15 August 2020 16: 26 New
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          Quote: Cer59
          and so I am glad for your answer. the limit of the suspension of that English 6 tons. our 9 tons, this is great suspension without modification, there were options with a reinforced suspension and a mass of up to 12 tons, as we have experimental and the Poles have serial ones.

          Have tried. It turned out to be easier to make a new LT. Moreover, even if it is possible to strengthen the suspension, the problem with the engine remains. 97 h.p. 11-12 tons is extremely small.
          Quote: Cer59
          we will not talk about the average technical speed at all, this is complete nonsense.
          with the support of infantry, tanks were attacked by both ours and the Germans at a speed of 5-8 km / h.

          What does the attack have to do with it? You wrote that BT is
          Quote: Cer59
          superb attack and blitzkrieg tanks

          So, for a blitzkrieg, it is the speed of the march of tank formations that is important. A breakthrough of defense is one tenth of the time, the rest is a race of formations to key points and lines in the rear of the enemy, racing with his reserves. And then the BT column will lag behind even the infantry T-26.
          Quote: Cer59
          about the recognition of the T-26 as obsolete in 37-38, tell the Americans who riveted much worse light tanks throughout the war.

          Well, yes, well, yes - 38-44 mm of American armor can never be compared with 15 mm of Soviet armor. smile
          Quote: Cer59
          T-26 was intended for what? to support the infantry !!!! so, perhaps better than him, and in our time who can cope, beetles do not have authority, well, he does not have a military education ...

          Is the designer Ginzburg an authority for you?
          At present, the best foreign tanks in all respects, except for weapons, overtake domestic models, which are the development of designs developed six to seven years ago ... Of greatest interest to the national tank industry are the Skoda tanks, which have an extremely mild course, the French “Form and Chantier arr. 1936 ", as having a body of thick armor plates connected by welding, as well as tanks" Renault mod. 1935 ", using armor casting ...
          (...)
          Currently, the development of domestic tanks follows the path of increasing their mass without changing the engine and chassis design ... This leads to the fact that the chassis and suspension of domestic tanks are overloaded and prone to failure during their combat operation ...

          Quote: Cer59
          the T-26 is crawling behind the infantry trenches and hollows everything that crawls. and hell, what can you do to him. however as well as bt.

          15 mm of the armor of our LT, even the beater will pierce at the end.
          1. Liam
            Liam 15 August 2020 16: 42 New
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            Quote: Alexey RA
            So, for a blitzkrieg, it is the speed of the march of tank formations that is important. A breakthrough of defense is one tenth of the time, the rest is a race of formations to key points and lines in the rear of the enemy, racing with his reserves. And then the BT column will lag behind even the infantry T-26.

            Slow down a little)
            The speed of a column of tanks is least dependent on the technical speed of the tank itself. 99% of it depends on logistics - the quantity and quality of roads, the capacity of bridges, the timeliness of fuel delivery, the organization of l / s power supply, route planning and the sequence of promotion of different services and subdivisions, regulation of "traffic", the ability of repair services to quickly repair or tow the building jam, broken car, training of mechanics and commanders, reliability of engines, transmissions and chassis, etc., etc. How many km / h in terms of performance characteristics a tank can give in this list takes a solid last place
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 15 August 2020 17: 16 New
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              Quote: Liam
              Slow down a little)
              The speed of a column of tanks is least dependent on the technical speed of the tank itself. 99% of it depends on logistics - the quantity and quality of roads, the capacity of bridges, the timeliness of fuel delivery, the organization of l / s power supply, route planning and the sequence of promotion of different services and subdivisions, regulation of "traffic", the ability of repair services to quickly repair or tow the building jam, broken car, training of mechanics and commanders, reliability of engines, transmissions and chassis, etc., etc. How many km / h in terms of performance characteristics a tank can give in this list takes a solid last place

              We read carefully:
              "Average technical speed - the speed of pure movement pillars, developed on the march (over 100 km), taking into account the necessary repairs, maintenance, etc. during the march. "

              That is, it is not the speed of the tank. This is exactly the speed pillars tanks, taking into account all the technical factors affecting the speed of the column.
              And along the same road column T-26 will pass faster than column BT.
              1. Liam
                Liam 15 August 2020 18: 19 New
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                Quote: Alexey RA
                Average technical speed - the speed of the net movement of the column

                This is a mindless set of words, divorced from reality.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                The speed of a column of tanks is least dependent on the technical speed of the tank itself. 99% of it depends on logistics - the quantity and quality of roads, the capacity of bridges, the timeliness of fuel delivery, the organization of l / s power supply, route planning and the sequence of promotion of different services and subdivisions, regulation of "traffic", the ability of repair services to quickly repair or tow the building jam, broken car, training of mechanics and commanders, reliability of engines, transmissions and chassis, etc., etc. How many km / h in terms of performance characteristics a tank can give in this list takes a solid last place

                All these moments are either a human factor (the skills of commanders, organizational structure, the quality of tanks produced by factories, etc., etc.) or moments that do not depend on the tanks themselves - roads, bridges, etc.
                The commanders of the units of the armed T-26 or BT-5 did not differ in any way, the regulations were the same, the roads were the same, the technical problems of the produced equipment were the same.
                So 12-15 or 15-17 km / h is an ordinary Soviet filkin letter, which has nothing to do with reality.
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 15 August 2020 18: 29 New
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                  Quote: Liam
                  So 12-15 or 15-17 km / h is an ordinary Soviet filkin letter, which has nothing to do with reality.

                  You see, I am not trying to calculate the absolute time of the column movement depending on specific conditions.
                  I am only saying that, all other things being equal, with equal training of commanders and personnel (and, as you write, they were no different for units on the T-26 and BT), when moving from point A to point B, the unit on average T -26 will come earlier than if the same unit on the average BT was going along the same route. The average technical speeds of the T-26 and BT columns here play the role of relative values.
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 15 August 2020 19: 01 New
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                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    You see, I do not strive

                    I am familiar with your ability to confirm any statement (even frankly divorced from reality) with "correct" quotations.
                    Multiply by 24 hours any of the numbers from the range you gave (from 12 to 17) and give at least one example of the daily advance of a tank column of any army on any tank of that period. You will not find an example of overcoming such distances in a day, not only in a column but even by a single tank, even if you boldly divide these hypothetical kilometers by 2.
                    How many there were overcame a maximum per day in May 40 or June 41 recognized masters of the blitzkrieg the Germans in almost ideal conditions? 50/60/70 km? Try to calculate their "average technical" speed.
                    Returning to the Soviet vacuum spherocontainer ... it will be difficult even for you to explain how the difference on average of 5/10% to the average technical speed made one tank suitable for a blitzkrieg and put an end to the other)
                    1. Alexey RA
                      Alexey RA 17 August 2020 09: 21 New
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                      Quote: Liam
                      Returning to the Soviet vacuum spherocontainer ... it will be difficult even for you to explain how the difference on average of 5/10% to the average technical speed made one tank suitable for a blitzkrieg and put an end to the other)

                      Ummm ... could you give me a quote where I argued that the T-26 is suitable for a blitzkrieg?
                      I just wrote that BT, named superb strike and blitzkrieg tanks, in fact, was not excellent, since the average technical speed of the BT column on the march was lower than that of the T-26 column - infantry support tanks. To be honest, I don't see much sense in continuing the procurement of BT and tank variety after solving the problems with the resource of the tracks - except to support the plant.
                      1. Liam
                        Liam 17 August 2020 09: 39 New
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                        ))) BT tanks were not blitzkrieg tanks, not because their medium technical the speed was 1 km / h lower or higher than that of the T-26 or any other Soviet tank of that period. The entire Soviet economic, technical and military machine of that era was not suitable for such a war.
                        By the way, as a matter of curiosity, in the tank Gospel of Ulanov / Shein, is there some kind of lower limit / cutoff of this speed, which is the watershed between a regular tank and a blitzkrieg one?
          2. Cer59
            Cer59 15 August 2020 22: 17 New
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            not less than 300 - 600 meters between the trenches. shoot your mallet. you will definitely get into your nose.
            on the Seelow Heights, tigers and panthers crawled not over the surface, but over caponiers and, thanks to Zhukov's mediocrity, thrashed so many of our tanks walking along the same road ...
            what prevented us from placing caponiers or a trench along the tower behind our trenches?
            correctly nod at Ginzburg. so he told you what to do, said the question and did not insist? He was, if I am not mistaken, one of the luminaries of tank development? what didn’t get into a fight once you were sure?
            the answer is simple denunciations of each other, I had to write less and work. How many talented engineers do we have during this period because of denunciations to the village?
            This is a reservation for a light tank Stuart USA, pay attention to the dimensions and armor, weapons:
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Стюарт_(танк)#/media/Файл:Stuart_armor.jpg
            M3 Stuart
            Light tank classification
            Combat weight, t 12,7
            Layout - front engine compartment, rear engine compartment
            Crew, people. 4
            Years of production 1941 — 1944
            measurements
            Body length, mm 4531 Width, mm 2235 Height, mm 2640 Ground clearance, mm 420
            Reservation
            Armor type surface hardened steel
            The forehead of the body (top), mm / deg. 38 / 17 °
            Forehead of the body (middle), mm / city. 16/69 °
            Body forehead (bottom), mm / deg. 44 / 23-90 °
            Hull board, mm / deg. 25/0 °
            Body feed (top), mm / deg. 25 / 59 °
            Housing feed (middle), mm / city. 25/0 °
            Body feed (bottom), mm / deg. 25 / 20 °
            Bottom, mm 10 — 13
            Tower forehead, mm / city. 38/10 °
            Board turret, mm / deg. 25 / 0 °
            Tower feed, mm / deg. 25 / 0 °
            Armament Caliber and gun brand 37 mm M6

            TACTICAL AND TECHNICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE T-26 TANK 1939
            BATTLE WEIGHT, t: 10,28.
            CREW, pers .: 3.
            OVERALL DIMENSIONS, mm: length - 4620, width - 2445, height - 2330, ground clearance - 380.
            WEAPON: 1 cannon 20K mod. 1934, caliber 45 mm; 3 DT machine guns of 7,62 mm caliber - coaxial with a cannon, anti-aircraft and aft (the latter are not on all tanks).
            Ammunition: 45-mm rounds - 205 (without a radio), 165 (with a radio); 7,62-mm rounds - 3654 (without a radio), 3212 (with a radio).
            AIMING DEVICES: PT-1 panoramic periscope sight mod. 1932, commanding panorama of the PTK arr. 1933 (not on all tanks), telescopic sight TOP arr. 1930 (on tanks that had guns with an electric lock, a TOP-1 or TOS sight was installed).
            RESERVATION, mm: forehead, side, stern - 15, roof - 10, bottom - 6, tower - 15-6.
            ENGINE: T-26 (“Armstrong-Siddle” type), four-cylinder, carburetor, in-line, air-cooled, with horizontal cylinders; working volume 6600 cc; power 75 HP (55,2 kW) at 2000 rpm.
            TRANSMISSION: single disc main dry friction clutch, propeller shaft, five-speed gearbox, side clutches, final drives.
            UNDERGROUND: eight support rubberized rollers on the side, interlocked in pairs in four bogies, four support rollers, a steering wheel with a tensioning mechanism, a front drive wheel with a removable toothed ring (pin engagement); suspension of road roller bogies on flat quarter-elliptical springs; each track has 108-109 tracks 260 mm wide, track pitch 90 mm.
            SPEED max., Km / h: 30.
            RESERVE, km: 225.
            OVERCOMING OBSTACLES: ascent angle, deg. - 40, the width of the ditch, m - 2,65, wall height, m-0,75, ford depth, m - 0,8.
            MEANS OF COMMUNICATION: radio station 71-TK-1 or 71-TK-3, tank intercom TPU-Z or TPU-2.
            I will not describe the T-26, I will not give a link to a detailed article comparison
            https://fb.ru/article/209150/sovetskiy-legkiy-tank-t--tank-t--harakteristiki-istoriya-sozdaniya-konstruktsiya
            it becomes clear that there is no significant superiority of Stuart in the booking
            and if you consider that this is the data of a 39-year-old tank .... then sorry Stuart nervously smokes on the sidelines.
            and now the most important thing is FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE PURPOSE OF T-26.
            THIS TANK WAS NOT INTENDED FOR RAIDS AND BREAKTHROUGH, IT WAS INTENDED EXCLUSIVELY TO SUPPORT THE INFANTRY. EXPLORE ITS PURPOSE.
            And for the raids there were BT and T-28.
            for your understanding, even a speed of 15-20 km makes it much more difficult to fire at a tank. t-34 with frontal attacks developed a maximum of 25 kilometers, otherwise you do not see anything moving over rough terrain.
            and the main paradox is that from 700-800 meters, the T-36 destroyed any German tank until the spring of 1942, regardless of the place of impact. with the exception of the T-4 with reinforced armor and their guns were beaten in the side. their frontal seemed to be 80 mm.
            but the individual T-26s in the troops in 1943-44 represented a real danger to the Panthers, as they calmly pierced its side armor, I hope you know about the T-70 with the same gun.
            Finally, in 1940, the last cycle of changes in the design of the T-26 tank was carried out. During the war with Finland, screens were installed on some of the cars. The cemented armor of the turret platform 15 mm thick was replaced with a homogeneous one, 20 mm thick. In addition, a unified observation device and a new turret shoulder strap were introduced. The mass of the "twenty-sixth" with screens has already exceeded 12 tons.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 16 August 2020 15: 41 New
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              Quote: Cer59
              not less than 300 - 600 meters between the trenches. shoot your mallet. you will definitely get into your nose.

              Well then, the 45mm T-26 will show the same efficiency at the same distances. smile
              Quote: Cer59
              on the Seelow Heights, tigers and panthers crawled not over the surface, but over caponiers and, thanks to Zhukov's mediocrity, thrashed so many of our tanks walking along the same road ...

              I can see directly a tank army of 500-600 tanks advancing along one road. And Zhukov, who personally sets the task for each company commander - to advance strictly along the road, not to conduct reconnaissance, not to interact with the infantry, not to use artillery.
              Stories about the tank armies burned down on the Seelow Heights the documents of these armies are not confirmed.
              Loss of equipment 1st Guards. On April 16, the tank army comprised 13 tanks that were burned down, 17 tanks that were wrecked, 4 SU-76 that were wrecked, and 2 SU-85 that were burned down.

              Losses of the 1st Guards. tank army for April 17 can be described as moderate. They amounted to 13 T-34, 3 IS-2, 1 SU-100, 2 SU-76 burned out, 24 T-34, 1 SU-100, 2 SU-85 - knocked out. Moreover, the advancing 11th tank corps was the most successful in losing 5 T-34s burned and 6 T-34s down.

              The total losses of equipment of the 1st Belorussian Front on April 18 amounted to 65 tanks and self-propelled guns burned out, 86 tanks and self-propelled guns damaged and another 13 disabled for other reasons

              On April 19, the German defenses collapsed. And this gave the tank armies a chance to cut off parts of the Wehrmacht from Berlin, preventing them from retreating to the city. If Zhukov had been waiting for a "clean breakthrough" to bring the TA into battle, then half of the 9th Army would have retreated to Berlin, and the storming of the city would have been much more bloody. And so, at the cost of some weakening of the TA when breaking through the enemy's defenses, it was possible to achieve that only the pale shadow of the only MK - 56th managed to reach Berlin.
              The 56th Panzer Corps arrived in Berlin, or rather retreated to Berlin, with up to 18 men in 4000 md, up to 200 men in the Müncheberg division, artillery of the division and four tanks; MD SS "Nordland" had 3500-4000 men; 20 md - 800-1200 people; 9 add - up to 500 people, but in Berlin it was replenished to 4000 people, i.e. 56 mk by the beginning of its operations directly in Berlin totaled 13-000 people

              Quote: Cer59
              correctly nod at Ginzburg. so he told you what to do, said the question and did not insist?

              What do you mean did not insist? And what about the T-46-45, T-126 and T-50? Or do you think that in the USSR new tanks were created at the snap of your fingers, in a month?
            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 16 August 2020 16: 48 New
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              Quote: Cer59
              This is a reservation for a light tank Stuart USA, pay attention to the dimensions and armor, weapons:

              I understand that the note on the height of "Stuart" over anti-aircraft machine gun You haven't noticed. Well this is an old joke - to measure the height of Lend-Lease tanks with an anti-aircraft machine gun. smile
              As for the armor, according to your data, "Stuart" has 38-44 mm in its forehead. The section of VLD with a thickness of 16 mm has an inclination of 69 degrees to the vertical (in our KV it was exactly 40 mm in the forehead at 65 degrees to the vertical).
              If we take the T-26, then its armor thickness is 15 mm everywhere. Do you seriously think that 38-44 mm does not have a significant advantage over 15 mm? belay
              Quote: Cer59
              t-34 with frontal attacks developed a maximum of 25 kilometers, otherwise you do not see anything moving over rough terrain.

              In fact, a T-34 tank with a 4-step checkpoint on the battlefield developed a speed of 12-14 km / h. Simply because it was the maximum speed for second gear. Gear shifting was not practiced, because even with experienced mechanics the speed of the tank dropped to a stop and there was a danger of turning off the engine (according to Kubinka's report on the T-34 transmission).
              Quote: Cer59
              and the main paradox is that from 700-800 meters, the T-36 destroyed any German tank until the spring of 1942, regardless of the place of impact.

              Mwa-ha-ha ... and the document from 1940 on testing Soviet armor-piercing shells on ANIOP, you have not seen either. It says in black and white that a 45-mm armor-piercing projectile penetrates from 1000 m only 30-mm armor with K = 2400, which corresponds to Soviet armor. As soon as K increases to 2600 (German tank armor), the armor penetration immediately drops sharply: 40 mm of German armor is of high-quality (not defective) 45-mm BBS penetrates only from 150 m.
              And the results of shooting German tanks in 1942 ("Czech", "three-ruble" and "four", forehead - 50 mm, as at the beginning of "Barbarossa") - were also not seen.
              The results of the shelling of the Czechoslovakian tank "Prague" 38T from a 45-mm cannon mod. 1934 armor-piercing tracer projectile ... 45-mm armor-piercing tracer projectile penetrates 50 mm frontal armor from a distance of 200 meters.

              The results of shelling a German T-III tank from a 45-mm gun mod. 1934 armor-piercing projectile ... 45-mm armor-piercing projectile 60 mm of frontal armor does not penetrate at any distance.

              The results of shelling a German T-IV tank from a 45-mm gun mod. 1934 ... 45-mm armor-piercing projectile, when fired from a gun mod. 1934, penetrates 50 mm thick frontal armor from a maximum distance of 50 meters

              True, the T-35 has another 3 "cannon - but the trouble is, according to the results of the same tests in 1940, a 76-mm tank gun with a 30-caliber barrel (L-11, F-32) penetrates 50-mm armor with K = 2500 (worse than German) only from 300 m.
              And most importantly, in 1941 the USSR did not have 76-mm armor-piercing shells. Of the 930 thousand BBS ordered by the industry from 1936 to 1941, by June 1941 it produced only 192 thousand. And the "consumers" were generally crumbs - in the Western border districts, only one mechanized corps had BR-350A tanks in the BC, in the rest, shrapnel was used as armor-piercing for impact - 30 mm from 300 m.
              Quote: Cer59
              Finally, in 1940, the last cycle of changes in the design of the T-26 tank was carried out. During the war with Finland, screens were installed on some of the cars. The cemented armor of the turret platform 15 mm thick was replaced with a homogeneous one, 20 mm thick.

              That is, they increased the thickness of the armor, reducing its durability. 70 tanks were altered in this way. The result is known:
              The mass of the shielded T-26 model of 1939 reached 12 tons, which led to a strong overload of the tank's suspension and engine. Therefore, it was recommended to operate shielded T-26 in low gears.

              It is not surprising that, despite the fact that the troops have a complete set of documentation on shielding,
              ... until June 1941, no work was carried out to screen the T-26.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 14 August 2020 13: 40 New
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      Quote: Cer59
      in the Finnish about 60 pieces twitched and that was all. and the release is about 600.

      It's simple: either we screen the T-28, or we release the KV. Even LKZ does not pull two types of tank in production.
      Quote: Cer59
      By 1940, the tank was one head superior to the T-34.

      The problem is that the T-28 is technically complex, and of all tank factories, only the LKZ can produce it. This is a classic "factory-made tank". It is possible to arrange its production at ChKZ - the second site of LKZ. But Kharkov will not pull him - there the T-35s were assembled piece by piece and individually.
      Another problem of technical complexity is the small volume of production.
      And the third problem - if LKZ makes T-28, then he does not make KV. Kharkiv will definitely not master the production of KV - it is too heavy and thick-armored tank to switch to it from BT. And the Red Army is left without a heavy tank.
      Quote: Cer59
      t - 35 oooo song. we tear off the trench and drive it along it

      Hour. After that, either the engine, or the brakes, or the clutches fail.
      Quote: Cer59
      using the tanks correctly without pushing them to the border with 0,25 refueling, and hitting the Germans with a full set would have a different picture.

      This is exactly what Zhukov ordered in KOVO. The result is known: the command of the South-Western Front canceled the order of the NGSH, arranged a leapfrog with the subordination and re-subordination of the corps, accompanied by constant marches, missed two days, after which they returned to the original plan. During this time, the tanks used up fuel, artillery and rear services fell behind on the march and were thinned out by enemy air strikes, and German infantry was entrenched in the directions of our strikes. And instead of a concentrated attack of several MKs with tanks, infantry and artillery on the flanks of the German tank wedge, in the interval between the "rollers" and the infantry, they received a frontal blow with bare tanks of the divisions that had been ground down on the march against the anti-tank defense of the German infantry.
      1. Cer59
        Cer59 14 August 2020 22: 13 New
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        I bring to your attention that the T-28 tank was tested with guns -85 mm, 90 mm, 107 mm without changing the size of the turret ring. torsion bar suspension for KV was tested on it. t-28k it seems the tank index I do not remember had a reduced height by 200 or 300 mm, the modified frontal projection was removed from the machine gun turrets. due to this, the frontal sheet was straight. easier t-28 was nothing you obviously did not read the link. read it.
        in 1940, the t-28k was supposed to be in series at the Kolomna steam locomotive plant, there were at least two commissions from Kirovsky. they informed the designer's grandson. but the matter did not go beyond the conversation. there was strong pressure from Kharkov.
        don't talk about the complexity of the t-28 anymore. the most difficult part of the t-28 is the fan drive. I found data on its price, not 28 rubles, but about 000. With the total cost of the tank about 30, with a cost of 000 rubles, it is clear where the pressure came from?
        it is now fashionable to do research on the application of a particular technique.
        so the use of 1 t-35 tank with caponiers and support for t-26 in the amount of 10 tanks ensured the stability of the front when hitting 50-60 tanks, ha-ha, do not forget about 45 mm infantry and regimental artillery guns and a reserve of 40 tanks made it possible to quickly react to ongoing changes in the situation.
        unfortunately ours did not take advantage of this and I still did not find the data exactly where we were and for what reason we lost 8 tanks. one answer, failure due to technical reasons ...
        please read the link again.
        unfortunately I had to close my museum, where there were interesting meetings with war veterans and descendants of designers.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 15 August 2020 16: 53 New
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          Quote: Cer59
          I bring to your attention that the T-28 tank was tested with guns -85 mm, 90 mm, 107 mm without changing the size of the turret ring.

          Only with the 85 mm F-30. Moreover, the test gun itself failed twice: the breech of the first sample cracked after 90 shots, the second was not allowed to be tested at all - the gun was not balanced.
          The 95 mm F-39 tank gun was generally only in the drawings. Photography wandering in various publications "T-28 tank with an experienced 95-mm F-39 cannon installed in it"does not coincide with the drawings of the F-39 gun in terms of the barrel length and the armor of the mask and, in the opinion of Yu. Pasholok, is a retouched photograph of the T-28 tank with the 76-mm F-27 cannon.
          As for 107 mm ...
          ... field tests of the ZIS-6 began only in June, namely on the 25th - after the start of the war. During the tests, which took place before July 5, 618 shots were fired.
          Y Yu. Pasholok
          Moreover, the system was tested from the machine, because the KV-3 tower was not yet ready. There is no question of installing it in the T-28.
          Quote: Cer59
          so the use of 1 t-35 tank with caponiers and support for t-26 in the amount of 10 tanks ensured the stability of the front when hitting 50-60 tanks

          The problem is that real Germans are not a line of drunken machine gunners with rolled up sleeves. First, they will put a couple of 15cm shells in the trench. And then they will work on the stuck T-35. Taking into account his reservation, a 10-cm howitzer is enough.
  49. avdkrd
    avdkrd 14 August 2020 01: 17 New
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    Grouse pissing. Tukhachevsky to your heart :-)
  50. Base
    Base 14 August 2020 01: 38 New
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    In the photo, the Ukhta all-terrain vehicle. They rolled me on it.