The Ministry of Defense announced plans for the purchase of Su-30SM2 and Yak-130

The Ministry of Defense will sign two new contracts this year for the supply of multifunctional Su-30SM2 fighters and Yak-130 combat training aircraft, a decision has already been made, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said.

According to the head of the military department, the cost of two contracts will amount to more than 100 billion rubles, within the framework of agreements, the Ministry of Defense plans to receive 21 Su-30SM fighters and 25 combat training Yak-130s.

We have made a decision and will sign this year, in addition to the existing two state contracts worth more than 100 billion rubles, under which 21 Su-30SM2 fighters and 25 Yak-130 combat training aircraft will be built.

- declared Shoigu.

The Minister held a meeting in Irkutsk after visiting the Irkutsk Aviation Plant. Sergei Shoigu said that as a result of the modernization, the aircraft plant received additional production capacity, which will allow it to fulfill the new contract. Also, according to the head of the Ministry of Defense, in addition to signing a contract for the construction of new Su-30SM2, in 2021 the military will conclude a contract for the repair of the existing fleet of Su-30SM fighters. The preliminary cost of the agreement for repairs is 7,2 billion rubles.

In addition, the minister warned that the military would strictly control the execution of contracts and, in case of violation of their conditions, punish them up to termination.

Comments

[mdsr]

A strange number, 21 Su-30SM. Usually order 12, 24, 36, 48

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

Let it be strange, the main thing is that the contact was made.

[Borik]

the main thing is that the contact is made.

They will definitely do it.

[antivirus]

no sea planes, only for Eurasia.
my sadness is bright - we are a land power, in the future a sea and without aircraft carriers

[mdsr]

Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich

Let it be strange, the main thing is that the contact was made.

Yes, they will. There is no doubt about it. Irkut has a large supply of capacities. It will be necessary, they will be able to increase the volume of output several times, if the subcontractors cope.

[Lelik76]

I confirm that we will do it. When there were large contracts for more than 40 vehicles per year (Su-30SM and Yak-130), at first I did not believe that we could produce so many, but we did. There are backlogs, the equipment, the main thing is that the team has not scattered, although now orders have diminished, respectively, and salaries have grown, especially for pieceworkers.

[Invoce]

Hi colleague!

[Lelik76]

Hi, IAZ?

[Invoce]

Quote: Lelik76

Hi, IAZ?

Irkut

[Invoce]

Happy Air Force Day !!!

[Lelik76]

Similarly, we have another 85 years. 420 VP MORF will be fulfilling one of these days. We will "strictly control the execution of contracts and punish in case of violation of their conditions" as stated in the news

[RUnnm]

Apparently, they proceeded from the remainder of the available budget.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: mdsr

A strange number, 21 Su-30SM. Usually order 12, 24, 36, 48

I think Usually ordered to form a new unit or rearmament. Replacement of the retired park is also possible here.

[Aibolit]

Quote: mdsr

A strange number, 21 Su-30SM. Usually order 12, 24, 36, 48

1 non-combat loss accounted for

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: mdsr

A strange number, 21 Su-30SM. Usually order 12, 24, 36, 48

20 cars is this a regiment?

[mdsr]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: mdsr

A strange number, 21 Su-30SM. Usually order 12, 24, 36, 48

20 cars is this a regiment?

Where did you see my 20? The regiment consists of 24 vehicles.

[ancient]

Quote: mdsr

The regiment consists of 24 vehicles.

Where did you see a regiment of 20 "machines" in IA?
In YES and SA and then .. "more"

[URAL72]

Nothing strange. The fleet also orders the Su-30SM. And the fleet is just literally piece by piece, for example, 5 vehicles.

[Cyril G ...]

The Navy ordered 28 aircraft. 12 in KOR, 12 in the Black Sea Fleet, 4 boards to the North in 279 KIAP.
And part of the order for the Navy has not yet been fulfilled. We have received 22 boards so far ...

[Kolka Semenov]

Something I lost track of, is 116 +28 + 21?

According to the news - one of the few good news in the stream of breakfast feeds and various info-garbage.

[Cyril G ...]

I didn’t understand personally whether the fleet 28 were included in the general contract or not?

[Kolka Semenov]

And I understand even less. For some reason, the numbers differ in different sources. Won in 2018, it was infa that they would buy 36 Su-30SM, but now it is not clear whether they were purchased or not ...

[Cyril G ...]

As of 2016, 60 units were ordered for the Russian Air Force. Su-30SM (60 machines were delivered - 2 to the Chkalov GLITs, 4 - to the Lipetsk Aviation Center, 24 - to the Domna airbase near Chita, 4 - Dzemgi, 22 - Millerovo, 4 - TsPAT Kubinka), for the Russian Navy - 5 + 7 machines, all of them became part of the naval aviation of the Black Sea Fleet.

72 sides (12 for the Navy + 60 for the Air Force)

In 2015, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation ordered 8 more aircraft for the aviation of the Russian Navy with delivery in 2016—2017. In 2016, a contract was signed for the supply of 28 vehicles for the Russian Aerospace Forces and 8 units for the Russian Navy by the end of 2018.

28 for the Air Force and 16 for the Navy.

Total comes out 100 aircraft for the Air Force and 28 vehicles for the Navy
Oh how !!!

[Kolka Semenov]

Something not enough ... Or am I among the Su-30s and Su30M2?

[Cyril G ...]

Yes, you probably counted another 20 Su-30M2

[TermNachTer]

Perhaps the odd-numbered vehicles will go to replenish other squadrons.

[Lelik76]

Well, well, the work was thrown to us until the MC-21 was mass-produced. So many boards have already flown away from the plant, it seems that the escort is serious. Over the past hour, only 3 non-local aircraft flew away, and before that, it looks like the Russian squadron left with the minister.

[Andylw]

Tell us where do you get the French ILS for the Su-30cm under the sanctions?

[Nastia makarova]

what is ILS?

[Andylw]

here it is
https://topwar.ru/164708-su-30sm-vvs-belorussii-osnastili-francuzskimi-ils-thales-hud-3022-cth-3022.html

[Nastia makarova]

clearly, apparently nothing was installed at all

[TermNachTer]

The wild grin of capitalism - there is money, so there will be ILS. French mattress sanctions are also in the throat

[Herman 4223]

Hello cute
This is the indicator in front of the pilot.

[Nastia makarova]

thanks, I already understood what it is

[Lelik76]

Have you heard about the import substitution program? We have been actively working in this direction and for more than one year, read open sources, maybe there is something already written about specific replacements, but I will not disseminate DSP information here.

[NEOZ]

Quote: AndyLW

Where do you get the French ILS for the Su-30cm under the sanctions?

the French sell them as medical products to OOO "camomile" - the loot goes through offshore ... the scheme is simple ...

[Odysseus]

There is no such crime that capital will not go for a profit of 300% "
Better ask where they are being repaired

[Doccor18]

In addition, the minister warned that the military would strictly control the execution of contracts and, in case of violation of their conditions, punish them up to termination.

Terminating a contract is not tough.

[Mavrikiy]

And this is not updated news VO from 11.52 "The timing of the additional contract for the supply of the Su-35S has become known?"

Su-35S. The contract amount will be 70 billion rubles

Confused by the brand of the aircraft.

[Grazdanin]

2 parallel stories.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Mavrikiy

And this is not updated news VO from 11.52 "The timing of the additional contract for the supply of the Su-35S has become known?"

No, these are different contacts. As for the Su-30 SM, this is mostly plant support.
Of course, ideally, not to produce a variety of types, but the epic with the Su-57 is dragging on, and new aircraft are needed. So in this case, in my opinion, this is a reasonable decision.

[Kolka Semenov]

Why is it delayed? Everything seemed to be going more or less smoothly, or not?

[Odysseus]

Quote: Kolka Semyonov

Why is it delayed? Everything seemed to be going more or less smoothly, or not?

Are you kidding? The first flight was in 2010, the first serial aircraft for transfer to the Air Force were planned in 2013. Now is 2020. And things are still there. There are a lot of difficulties. Let's hope this year the first 2 serials will be delivered. Well, or at least one. It's almost ready.

[Kolka Semenov]

Why am I kidding? The F-35 was tortured for 17 years and, in fact, has not yet made the software, plus the block 4 program left from 2017 to 2023 (and I will cut short what else will leave), except for problems with the radar, he has no problems, this is divine ... And in 3 years to make a fighter of the 5th generation is a fairy tale and there was one who told them.

[major071]

No, these are two different news. Different contracts, different aircraft and different aircraft factories. Su-35S is produced in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, and Su-30SM in Irkutsk. It's just that Shoigu rides all over the Far East, I would not be surprised if some more news appears from the enterprises of the Primorsky Territory.

[barin]

Quote: major071

Shoigu rides all over the Far East, I would not be surprised if there is some more news from the enterprises of the Primorsky Territory

Correctly you thought - good news from ASZ

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Great news! There would be more and more such news!

[zwlad]

Great news! Air Force replenishment and workers' salaries!

[bars1]

It’s bad to see things with the Su-57, if we continue to buy old stuff (especially the Su-30SM even in the SM2 version) ...

[Grazdanin]

Su 30 is an excellent aircraft, it will be relevant for at least the next 10-15 years. Su57 will go to the troops for a long time, and fighters are needed here and now.

[Cyril G ...]

Absolutely right...

[Herman 4223]

Su-57 is made by another plant.
It is necessary to invest a new line to launch it.

[Lelik76]

The point is not only that "to start the line". It is necessary to master the plane technologically, to remove all the jambs of the plane during serial production and operation. We trained on the Su-30MKI, Su-30MKI (A), Su-30MKM, and a bunch of all sorts of issues related to manufacturing and operation were removed, which on the Su-30SM have already been fully implemented, although there is no limit to perfection, the SM2 has already appeared ...

[Herman 4223]

This is more than I know. The technology does not know perfection, at first you need to master at least one plant, but it would be better if at two. As far as I understand the characteristics of the su-57, it can replace both the su-30 and the su-35, because it can perform the tasks of both machines.

[Kolka Semenov]

I know that I may ask a lot, but still - will there be AFAR or not? Well, maybe they will at least put the Irbis?

[Cyril G ...]

What if all the same BARS will go with a new antenna AFAR?

[Odysseus]

Quote: Kolka Semyonov

I know that I may ask a lot, but still - will there be AFAR or not?

You answered yourself a little lower. Will not be. But I hope there will be a new engine

[Lelik76]

From such comments, "old stuff" I see you are very far from aviation, and do not know the design and composition of the equipment Su30SM2 and Su-57 for example

[Cyril G ...]

Irbis on CM2 will be?

[Kolka Semenov]

Since I have nothing but common sense, I would venture to assume that it will not. The Su-30 weighs 18,5 tons, the Su-35 weighs 19,1 tons and the difference is apparently just in the weight of the radar and its additional components, like cooling fluid (Irbis is a real monster that stokes like an open-hearth furnace). If anything they could deliver, it is AFAR, but there are their own jambs. Conducted rough calculations of the radar power (if there is a personal here, I can throw a link there) and came to the conclusion that the Belka is inferior in power to the Irbis and does not greatly bypass the Bars. IMHO, they will not replace it - it does not give an expensive and strong increase in terms of opportunities.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Kolka Semyonov

If anything they could deliver, it is AFAR, but there are their own jambs.

AFAR require water? cooling kind of like !?

If they do not replace it, it does not give an expensive and strong increase in opportunities.

There, real combat distances are unlikely to be more than 60-70 km ...

Drop in a local PM for a look

[Kolka Semenov]

Quote: Kirill

... AFAR require water? cooling kind of like !?

Yes, and on Ibris, apparently it is worth, and from that it weighs a little less than a mammoth.

There, real combat distances are unlikely to be more than 60-70 km ...

Drop in a local PM for a look

No, it seems that if you have not messed up anything, then the Irbis is the most powerful radar station in the world and no one can see it further. I threw it off in a personal.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Kolka Semyonov

o Irbis is the most powerful radar in the world and no one can see it further.

In fact, yes ...

[FRoman1984]

Quote: Semenov Kolka

Since I have nothing but common sense, I would venture to assume that it will not. The Su-30 weighs 18,5 tons, the Su-35 weighs 19,1 tons and the difference is apparently just in the weight of the radar and its additional components, like cooling fluid (Irbis is a real monster that stokes like an open-hearth furnace). If anything they could deliver, it is AFAR, but there are their own jambs. Conducted rough calculations of the radar power (if there is a personal here, I can throw a link there) and came to the conclusion that the Belka is inferior in power to the Irbis and does not greatly bypass the Bars. IMHO, they will not replace it - it does not give an expensive and strong increase in terms of opportunities.

How so? This is the same as comparing irons: the one that is more powerful (old cast iron) and te-fal. It's not just about the power. By the way, on the F-22 the apg-77v1 radar on gallium arsenide modules can also be seen at 400 km a target of a certain area and at a certain angle, while the power is only 20 kW.
The main thing is not power, but the number of transceiver modules, operation at different frequencies, signal processing, and noise immunity.
Why is Belka not put on? Because they are made piece by piece, there is no serial production, Russia does not have its own element base, which is why it is very expensive here. Well, there are fewer and fewer people who understand at least something. Managers alone around and Tajiks (no offense).

[Kolka Semenov]

It is nonsense. The empty weight of the F-22 is almost 20 tons and its cooling system is the same monster as on the Su-35. The laws of physics cannot be circumvented by anyone, not even an ephal.

[FRoman1984]

Quote: Semenov Kolka

It is nonsense. The empty weight of the F-22 is almost 20 tons and its cooling system is the same monster as on the Su-35. The laws of physics cannot be circumvented by anyone, not even an ephal.

The empty weight of the F22 is 19600 kg, the thrust of the engines is 10000 kgf each at maximum and 15800 kgf at the afterburner. Yes, it is a little heavier than the Su-35S (19100?), But its engines are also much more powerful. Much. The Su-35S has 8800 \ 14500 kgf.
APG-77v1 peak power 20 kW. This is all data from the Internet, the new version sees the goal of 1m2 by 400 km. True or not - very few people know.

[Herman 4223]

Very interesting, but what about the tsiferki who walk on the Internet about 400 km on a target with EPR 1m2? For this, the protein must be very much superior to the irbis in terms of radiation strength.

[Kolka Semenov]

It does not surpass the Irbis, which sees a target with an RCS of 1 m2 at a distance of 320-340 kilometers, but the Irbis weighs more than the Belka. A kind of rating comes out: 1st place - Irbis. 2 - AN-APG77 (2007 version) and third place Belka - 240-260 km for a target with an EPR of 1m2. There is nothing more powerful than these radars. The AM screen is superior in size and weight, but inferior in technical perfection.
By the way, the F-35 radar is a real microcephalus, which sees a target with an EPR of 1m2 at a distance of only 140-160 km.

[Herman 4223]

One question . Where did you get 240-260 km for squirrel? The only figure that came across on the Internet is 400 km for a target with EPR 1m2. It's kind of like a declared characteristic for her.

[Kolka Semenov]

These are my personal calculations, the logic is as follows:

Squirrel's web is ~ 23% smaller than the Irbis and the size of the web has the greatest effect on the detection range, all other parameters, be it power and sensitivity, are secondary. This gives minus ~ 18-20% of the range in comparison with the Irbis. AFAR seems to be twice as sensitive as PFAR, which gives + ~ 12%, total Protein is in the red by 6-8%. The power of the Irbis is a record, more than any other radar in the world produces, and its average power is 5 kilowatts, after taking into account the efficiency of the track at 50-60%. The efficiency of the AFAR sheet is less than half, since individual PPM modules heat up much more than a solid PFAR sheet. With a power of the Irbis of ~ 5 kW, it sees a target with an RCS of 1m2 at a distance of 320-340 km (under ideal conditions), if the Belka radar is 15% weaker in power and 6-8% in terms of the area of ​​the canvas (minus the best sensitivity) then this is minus 21-23% in comparison with the Irbis, which means that he sees a target with an EPR of 1 m2 at a distance of 240 to 260 km.

Hopefully not too clever.

[Herman 4223]

The larger the antenna diameter, the better it receives the return signal, and the more powerful the beam in the case of APAR. Only here, for example, I do not know not only the area of ​​the squirrel antenna, but also its shape. There are numbers 900x700mm on the Internet, but the circle does not mean that, there would be a diameter. It's hard for me to imagine a square squirrel, but for a trapezoid there should be another number.
In terms of the number of PPMs, the numbers also vary, from 1500 to 2000.

[Kolka Semenov]

There are 1526 modules, the module power is 14-15 watts = 21634 * 0,3 efficiency = 6,4 kilowatts of peak power. This is three times less than that of the Irbis (there is a peak - 20 kilowatts), but the difference in the end is small, since in order to double the target detection range, it is necessary to increase the power / sensitivity 16 times, which is unrealistic.
In any case, before the introduction of GaN technology in AFAR, the Irbis will be the most powerful and long-range radar in the world.

[Herman 4223]

And where do you get the initial data that the power of the module is 15 watts?

[Kolka Semenov]

Somewhere on the MIC.NAME there was a link that such and such (the staff of the NPP Shokin) made a PPM mod with such characteristics, either news for 2016, or for 2017, now the search does not help to find.

[Herman 4223]

If there really is 15 watts, then we can be proud of our gunsmiths. For the American radar for f22, they write the average 2vvat, and the peak 10vvat.

[Kolka Semenov]

AN-APG-77 was upgraded either in 2007 or in 2009 and it could detect a target with an EPR of 1m2 at a distance of 300 km. Because of this, it does not become more powerful than the Irbis, and the weight of the F-22 under 20 tons indicates the price at which it was given, incl. and such a powerful radar.

[Cyril G ...]

And here it is bad or not bad. The Navy really needs at least one Su-30SM squadron for the fleet. In reality, it is necessary to use ShAP for the Black Sea Fleet, BF, Northern Fleet and the Pacific Fleet (Primorye) and a squadron for Kamchatka ... The fleet still flies on unmodernized Su-27s.
The decision to purchase the Su-30SM was correct. I think they will be bought for a long time, and not only as information security, but also as training-combat fighters twin for the regiments of the Su-35 and Su-57

[Odysseus]

Quote: bars1

especially the Su-30SM even in the SM2 version)

You are going over critically. Su-30 SM with a new engine and new V-V missiles is quite relevant.
At least for air combat.

[FRoman1984]

Quote: Odyssey

Quote: bars1

especially the Su-30SM even in the SM2 version)

You are going over critically. Su-30 SM with a new engine and new V-V missiles is quite relevant.
At least for air combat.

What kind of radar will be installed, I wonder? Still the same relic in the face of Leopard?

[Herman 4223]

What is bad about this relic, as you put it?
As far as I understand its characteristics, some radars nervously smoke away from such a relic.

[FRoman1984]

Quote: Herman 4223

What is bad about this relic, as you put it?
As far as I understand its characteristics, some radars nervously smoke away from such a relic.

It is still PFAR in its latest version. And what kind of people smoke nervously if we compare radars on "heavy" cars?

[Herman 4223]

This radar has a 300 ° field of view, and the average power for such a view is 1,5 kW.
For example, the radar f22 view is only 120 °, he sees ahead well, but from the side, even Ruslan will be a stealth for him.

[Incompetent]

And what is the version of CM2? I saw M2, MK2, who knows what the differences are, will they install Afar radar?

[Cyril G ...]

Duc is not clear yet ...

Earlier it was said about improving the avionics (upgrading the radar / or replacing the Irbis) - it is clear that the level of rumors

[Odysseus]

Quote: Incompetent

And what is the version of CM2? I saw M2, MK2, who knows what the differences are, will they install Afar radar?

M2 is an old Komsomol version with a Sword for our Air Force as a twin, it is made just on the basis of MK2. Changed the killed Su-27 UB. MK2 - This is the export version for the PRC Navy.
SM is the Irkutsk branch. She's already much better. There is PFAR and many more useful things. It is based on the Indian ICI.
CM2 its development. With a new engine. About AFAR - not yet. Hopefully they will make an aiming container. And then on the ground he is not very good.

[barin]

Great news I see that this year the contract for military aviation was not bad.

[Fmax]

what for su30 and Yak, if you can order 30 su 57?

[Sancho_SP]

And where are so many Jacob? Of the already about a hundred

[Orkraider]

Quote: Sancho_SP

And where are so many Jacob? Of the already about a hundred

Learning is light, but without light, nowhere)))
The first batch of Jacob is shackled to the ground, repairs are just beginning, so there are not a hundred of them ... Training ones are very necessary, and they are not enough. I wonder what is there with the CM100. That would be with them already .. but these are dreams, of course. He did not even come out for testing.

[FRoman1984]

As far as I understand, the purpose of the Su-30SM order is to support the plant; I see no other reason for purchasing this aging machine with an antediluvian radar and not the most high-torque engines.