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Shoigu announced the conclusion of a contract for six corvettes for the Pacific Fleet

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Shoigu announced the conclusion of a contract for six corvettes for the Pacific Fleet

The Ministry of Defense plans to sign a new contract for the construction of six corvettes in the interests of the Russian fleet at the Amur Shipyard (ASZ). This was stated by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu during his visit to the enterprise.


Here, on behalf of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, the President of our country, we plan to conclude a contract with the enterprise for the construction of six corvettes

- said Shoigu, adding that the contract will be signed after the USC switches to "fixed prices".

At the meeting, the head of the military department instructed the commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy, Nikolai Yevmenov, to provide for the possibility of concluding a contract for six corvettes for the Navy by the end of this year. At the same time, he stressed that the agreement will be signed only after the transition to fixed prices.

Recall that the Amur Shipyard is building project 20380 corvettes for the Pacific Fleet. The corvette "Rezky" is under construction, and "Aldar Tsydenzhapov" is undergoing a test cycle before delivery to the customer.

The head of the defense department did not go into the details of the planned contract for the construction of new ships, but earlier information on a possible contract had already been announced.

In February of this year, Vedomosti, citing sources in the USC and the Ministry of Defense, reported that a series of Project 20380 corvettes for the Pacific Fleet could be continued and the Amur Shipyard could receive a contract for the construction of ten ships. The signing of the contract, according to the publication, may occur in 2021.

According to experts, at the moment the Amur Shipyard cannot build ships with a displacement larger than a Project 20380 corvette. The Pacific Fleet needs the corvettes themselves to ensure the basing of Project 955 nuclear missile submarines in Kamchatka.

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  1. Borik
    Borik 12 August 2020 12: 30
    21
    That's the news. There are 6 more corvettes for the Pacific Fleet. Gloriously glorious. There would be 8 more frigates would be absolutely gorgeous.
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 12 August 2020 12: 44
      17
      The NEA will be able to load this order for years. 20380 are the deepest surface ships ever built there. The leaders of Project 38 had a draft of 4,2 meters, the destroyers of Project 7 - generally only 3,1 meters, and at 20380, due to the bulb with the GAK, the draft was as much as 7,6 meters.
      And the fact that the corvette of project 20380 is placed in the transport and launching floating dock of project 17571 "Zeya" of the Amur shipyard, originally intended for receiving from the coastal slipways of the shipyard and launching nuclear submarines with a dock weight of up to 7820 tons is generally a gift of fate.
      1. Orkraider
        Orkraider 12 August 2020 13: 28
        +6
        Greetings!
        Here is the news about the rumors about which I spoke.
        1. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 12 August 2020 13: 35
          +7
          hi Yes, the news is very good. Especially for today. 20380 worked out project.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 12 August 2020 16: 41
            +2
            Before rejoicing, it would be nice to understand: are these six corvettes part of the 10 planned or instead of those 10? what
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 12 August 2020 17: 01
              +4
              Are these six corvettes part of the 10 planned or instead of those 10?

              I suppose there was a "duck" about 10. Or a misunderstanding. Together with these 6 and four built at the NEA, 10 in total come out.
              Why do I think so? because we didn’t order or planned in batches of 10, here and a contract for 6 at once and that will be the record holder. So I think they added 6 planned to 4 already under construction, and it turned out 10.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 12 August 2020 17: 29
                +1
                It turned out 12. If you count 2x20385. A beautiful figure. 2x6. hi
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 12 August 2020 20: 54
                  +1
                  So they are being built at the Severnaya Verf. Yes, there will be 12 of them together, I think this is not even bad for the Pacific Fleet, especially considering what state it is in now. But at the ASZ, they get exactly 10. So they probably misinterpreted something like "We will conclude a contract and continue the series at ASZ for the Pacific Fleet up to 10" until "We will conclude a contract for 10 new ones for the Pacific Fleet"
            2. Bashkirkhan
              Bashkirkhan 12 August 2020 17: 22
              +2
              The deputy commander of the Pacific Fleet spoke about 10 corvettes, but exaggeration is one thing, and movement in this direction is another. The contract for 6 new corvettes is already concrete.
            3. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 12 August 2020 18: 22
              -1
              It would be nice to understand, but in the North, corvettes with our best HAC Minotaur, in principle, are not needed or what?
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 12 August 2020 19: 52
                -1
                It would be nice to understand, but in the North, corvettes with our best HAC Minotaur, in principle, are not needed or what?

                Eh. I'll substitute myself again, but for your sake Kirill will have to ... laughing
                IMHO, for the Federation Council they will build 20386 if the project takes off.
                Phew ... Fly in the "crows" (who counts 20386 as a cut). bully
                And if we assume for a minute that I am right, this will be a unified solution for the Northern Fleet, with the necessary seaworthiness and in no way inferior in the last reincarnation (with 2 UKSK) to the quite successful 20385. hi
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 12 August 2020 20: 19
                  0
                  Quote: Alex777
                  , for the SF will be 20386 build if the project takes off.


                  And how is our Daring Mercury is doing? The question was rhetorical. GEM is not and never will be. With two UKSK, the displacement and price of the entogo megadivays will overlap the frigate of project 22350 ... Well, what's the point? On the current tab, Evmenov Shoigu reported that we will not build any OCDs quickly and according to the knurled one ... I think that Daring Mercury will be renamed Borodino and they will say that it will go to Borodin's piggy bank .. More Borodins are good and different .... In short.
                  One failed corvette has been standing for 20 years ...

                  The OVR does not need a very bad analogue of the frigate of pr. 22350 ... It needs a very cheap corvette-carrier of the Minotaur GAK with GPBA ..
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 12 August 2020 20: 36
                    0
                    I will not argue. Already many copies have been broken on this topic.
                    But I would venture to suggest that since the Ukrainian authorities began to resent the fact that the Russian Federation is deploying an Underwater Situation Lighting System (FOS) on the Black Sea, then in the North it may well already work. Although the degree of secrecy of this topic can only be guessed at.
                    And the tasks of ensuring the exit of SSBNs are solved using several other approaches rather than the presence of a bunch of cheap OVR corvettes. And for working with FOSS - 20386 can be quite a good solution. Let's wait. Everything will be clear pretty soon. hi
                    https://edrid.ru/rid/218.016.3e7b.html
                    1. Cyril G ...
                      Cyril G ... 12 August 2020 20: 39
                      0
                      Quote: Alex777
                      And the tasks of ensuring the exit of SSBNs are solved with the use of several other approaches rather than the presence of a bunch of cheap OVR corvettes.


                      We need a lot of anti-submarine ships. The minimum need for the fleet in the OVR corvettes is 30 pieces. FOSS without anti-submarine ships is useless, to put it mildly ...

                      And for working with FOSS - 20386 can be quite a good solution.

                      Why on earth?
                      1. Alex777
                        Alex777 12 August 2020 20: 54
                        0
                        In short, in my humble opinion, cheap OVR corvettes do not have effective means of destroying nuclear submarines.
                        The package is more of a PTZ tool. And the fuel supply for the helicopter at 20380 is not enough. You probably know.
                        At 20386, there should be more fuel for the helicopter and the PLO capabilities should be higher due to the PLUR in the UKSK.
                        Of course, I am aware that the PLURs themselves are still finishing.
                        When the construction of ships will converge with the arrival of the modified PLUR - I do not know. But I hope that anyone who needs such plans has. hi
                      2. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 12 August 2020 20: 58
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex777
                        higher due to PLUR in UKSK.

                        UKSK is already on avenue 20385
                      3. Alex777
                        Alex777 12 August 2020 21: 16
                        +1
                        There will definitely be only 2 of them.
                        UKSK - 1. Autonomy - 2 weeks.
                        And both of them will go to the Pacific Fleet.
                      4. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 12 August 2020 21: 18
                        -1
                        And whoever said that the UKSK will not be on 20380new, they screwed the SHUTTER on Tsydenzhapov. Although, of course, you need a PLUR compatible with PU Uranus
                      5. Alex777
                        Alex777 12 August 2020 21: 24
                        0
                        I said. laughing
                        20380new = 20386 with 2 UKSC.
                        Well, understand: 14 days of autonomy, despite how much this 20380 costs, is a serious limitation. And 2 helicopter flights are not enough either. Only the base and guard.
                        Therefore, VI 20386 is much larger.
                        And they screwed the BARREL because they decided not to build the 2nd pair 20385. And it was necessary to screw the tower prepared in advance somewhere. In general, it turned out well. hi
                        Ship hull cost - 15%. Checked with the knowledgeable. The rest is weapons, BIUS and REO.
                      6. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 12 August 2020 22: 15
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex777
                        14 days of autonomy, despite how much this 20380 costs, is a serious limitation.


                        THIS IS THE OVR SHIP. It's enough. Don't try to make an ocean cruiser out of an OVR ship. The ship must operate in the area of ​​the base and two helicopter refueling is also enough. For the helicopter will be arriving on call. But the capital hangar is superfluous ...
          2. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 12 August 2020 20: 56
            0
            Here Comrade Klimov proposed a version of a cheap carrier of the GAK with GPBA, because this is his main weapon.
            In general, we figured out what we have in the series
            GEM: DDA-12000
            RES: Positive + Minotaur
            Armament: since a corvette necessarily needs a PLUR, then UKSK, or we need an Answer-Kurtz, that is, to develop a short one on the basis of a long, air defense - a really difficult question. If the series already has 9M100, then a good solution is 1x12 UVP Redoubt, if not, then Pantsyr with his pyramid SOTS, Arta - AK-176 + Duet, Complex PTZ Package NK. The presence of RBU-6000 is desirable, we do not envisage a hangar for the Ka-27. Reasonable runway residual for helicopter
            Total - 1x8 UKSK, 1x12 UVP ZRK Redut or ZRPK Pantsyr, AK-176, AK-630 Duet (Only if Redoubt is installed), 2x4 PU PTZ Packet-NK, RBU-6000.
            RBU - can be considered for use as a PTZ system, and for hitting bottom targets and various henchmen such as underwater drones.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 12 August 2020 20: 59
              0
              I participated in this discussion. Minuses picked up. wink
              I don't want to argue anymore. We have fixed our positions on this issue and are awaiting clarification over time.
              We really do not know anything about the tasks of the GUGI? And it is doing a lot of work at the Federation Council. yes
              EMNIP to defeat 1 nuclear submarine needs at least 4 PLUR. Therefore, there are usually 16 of them on Berks.
              Your 1 UKSK may simply not be enough. wink
              RBU-6000, even with new missiles, is considered neither a threat to nuclear submarines, nor an effective means of PTZ by the current colleagues.
              Very effective depends on the conditions at sea. And in the North there these conditions are very common.
              Reasonable runway residual for helicopter

              Will blow it away ... Even the Chinese, even at 956, have put a permanent hangar instead of a folding and stern tower.
            2. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 12 August 2020 21: 07
              -1
              Quote: Alex777
              Your 1 UKSK may simply not be enough.


              A single procedure for anti-submarine operations is not provided for OVR ships. Tactical calculations are based on the actions of the KPUG. And for a successful battle with submarines, you need as many eeeee platforms with sensors as possible, albeit with minimal weapons.
            3. Alex777
              Alex777 12 August 2020 21: 12
              0
              And for a successful battle with submarines, you need as many eeeee platforms with sensors as possible

              So we returned to where we started: platforms with underwater sensors (FOSS). wink
              Very angry, reliable, all-weather.
              And an effective means of destruction is directed to the detected target. 20386 - may well fit. Electric movement to help him. wink
            4. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 12 August 2020 21: 16
              -1
              Quote: Alex777
              So we returned to where we started: platforms with underwater sensors (FOSS).


              Not like that .... FOSS is a weak helper here.
            5. Alex777
              Alex777 12 August 2020 21: 17
              0
              Not like that .... FOSS is not your assistant here

              Let's wait for the news and eyewitness accounts! drinks
          3. Cympak
            Cympak 12 August 2020 22: 55
            0
            FOSS can reveal the suspected location of a submarine. But to determine the exact location and motion parameters most likely not. This requires anti-submarine aircraft and ships.
          4. Alex777
            Alex777 12 August 2020 23: 30
            0
            Maybe you are right. But no one will tell us the exact characteristics of FOSS.
            But to determine the exact location and motion parameters most likely not. This requires anti-submarine aircraft and ships.

            At this point, I have a disagreement with local authorities. winked
            There are no questions about the need for airplanes. As there is no doubt that our PLO aircraft, alas, do not correspond to modern tasks.
            But to what extent the MPK KUG or the OVR corvettes (20380) is a serious threat to a modern nuclear submarine is an interesting question. Something I doubt it.
            Why - detailed above. What do you think?
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 12 August 2020 21: 26
      0
      Quote: Alex777
      RBU-6000, even with new missiles, is considered neither a threat to nuclear submarines, nor an effective means of PTZ by the current colleagues.


      The PTZ issue is primarily critical in terms of the means of detecting and tracking underwater targets. So there is a definite meaning. Again, you will spend a torpedo on such crap as an underwater drone?

      Blow it away ...


      Don't care. We went to the seas with helicopters at the stern. ... From my point of view, the helicopter should fly to the OVR ship on call and be able to land ...
    3. Alex777
      Alex777 12 August 2020 21: 29
      +1
      Don't care. We went to the seas with helicopters at the stern.

      At this point in the discussion, authoritative Moremans begin to swear for a long time. yes
    4. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 12 August 2020 21: 31
      0
      And who is easy now. And I saw this live how it happens in life laughing
    5. Alex777
      Alex777 12 August 2020 21: 35
      +2
      I'll just answer. At the time of the collapse of the USSR, the States had a fleet of about 700 ships. Now the task of having 355 was recognized as unbearable. They barely hang out on the 300's. That's how it all changed. in just 30 years.
      And we don't even have to try to keep up with them.
      I take my leave for today. hi
  2. Cympak
    Cympak 12 August 2020 22: 51
    +1
    The main question is, are there PLO helicopters for these hangars on corvettes? I’m sure not.
  • Vlad.by
    Vlad.by 13 August 2020 23: 07
    0
    I would ask another question - six corvettes a year or until 28?
    A year at one plant ... it would be nice!
  • bayard
    bayard 12 August 2020 16: 55
    +8
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    Yes, the news is very good. Especially for today. 20380 worked out project.

    The news is really good, but the caveat strained: "When the USC switches to fixed prices."
    The wish is certainly commendable, but it is possible, without prejudice to production, if the MO switches to direct payment with a prepayment, and does not force enterprises to take loans against their (MO) guarantees.
    So, if the loan is at a conditional 5%, and the order execution period is 4 years, then the total cost overrun is ALREADY 20%, but if we add inflation to this for the same period? And when the order is approaching delivery, they usually begin to twist their hands at the price ... and as a result, the enterprises have growing debts on loans.
    If the MO wants fixed prices, it must itself switch to direct payments with an indispensable prepayment - then appropriate pre-orders and prepayments to subcontractors and counterparties at FIXED prices are possible.
    And then there will be no paradoxical (at a sober outsider glance) when state-owned enterprises fulfilling the state order of the Ministry of Defense find themselves on the verge of bankruptcy, because they FULFILLED THE STATE ORDER NOT FOR MONEY OF THE MO, BUT FOR MONEY TAKEN IN A CREDIT FROM A PRIVATE BANK.
    At the urgent request of the Ministry of Defense and the Government of the Russian Federation.
    Due to the fact that the native MO refuses (!!!) to pay for your order. Refuses to make any order at all.
    And hangs debts on enterprises.
    And then a scandal begins and a ringing in the media about the need ... to write off the debts of the enterprise, because it took a loan under the guarantees of the Ministry of Defense and the Government ...
    There have been many such scandals in recent years.
    And it was always surprising (for an outside observer) why the customer refuses to pay for his order, but insists on the contractor taking out a loan by the enterprise ... AT THE PRIVATE BANK!

    I hope that this time, Shoigu meant precisely the transition of the Moscow Region to DIRECT payment of their orders.

    And yet, 6 corvettes for the Pacific Fleet, this is certainly very good, but still not enough for this fleet. This is a plus to the 4 previously laid corvettes ... If the new 6 pieces. will go to Kamchatka, cover the submarine base, then 4 pcs. for everything else, it won't be enough. As far as I understood from the previous wishes of the Pacific Fleet, he wanted to get ANOTHER 10 such ships in addition to the 4 already existing / laid down.
    However, there is no contract yet.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 12 August 2020 19: 59
      +2
      As far as I understood from the previous wishes of the Pacific Fleet, he wanted to get ANOTHER 10 such ships in addition to the 4 already existing / laid down.

      I thought so too. Therefore, asking your question above in the discussion.
    2. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 13 August 2020 23: 21
      0
      Do not such transactions go on state orders?
      Fully prepaid.
      I have experience in supplying materials for the production of products for the fleet.
      There were no questions - an agreement mentioning a government order and payment through an authorized bank. 100% straight away.
      The system has been worked out.
  • lucul
    lucul 12 August 2020 14: 15
    0
    20380 are the deepest surface ships ever built there.

    At first I grimaced - I thought, well, where are these corvettes to the Pacific Ocean then, and then I remembered that the Fletcher-class destroyers also had a displacement of 2 tons, and swam quite tolerably in the oceans.
    And relieved ....))))
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 12 August 2020 18: 44
      +3
      Quote: lucul
      At first I grimaced - I thought, well, where are these corvettes to the Pacific Ocean then, and then I remembered that the Fletcher-class destroyers also had a displacement of 2 tons, and swam quite tolerably in the oceans.

      The ships fought on TO and smaller - escort destroyers with a displacement of 1440-1835 tons. And they fought well - some of them got the Yamato as an enemy together with the LK and KRT.
  • alexmach
    alexmach 12 August 2020 13: 04
    +3
    Hooray! There are no other comments. So I found confirmation of the old rumor about corvettes for the Pacific Fleet. But the Federation Council continues to lag behind.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 12 August 2020 18: 29
      +5
      Quote: alexmach
      But the Federation Council continues to lag behind.

      The north is replenished with frigates. bully
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 12 August 2020 20: 56
        0
        We need both corvettes and frigates.
  • Fmax
    Fmax 12 August 2020 22: 44
    0
    It would be gorgeous, instead of all these corvettes, to build 22350 pieces of 16 for each fleet
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 12 August 2020 12: 30
    10
    conclude a new contract for the construction of six corvettes in the interests of the Russian fleet
    Well, that's the benefit from samurai raids. recourse We will strengthen the Pacific Fleet. smile
    1. Civil
      Civil 12 August 2020 12: 45
      12 th
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      conclude a new contract for the construction of six corvettes in the interests of the Russian fleet
      Well, that's the benefit from samurai raids. recourse We will strengthen the Pacific Fleet. smile

      That night the samurai decided to cross the border by the river ... more tanks are needed to land and operate in Hokkaido and establish stability and prosperity among the poor Japanese ...
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 12 August 2020 12: 48
        +3
        Tanks .... Floating, winged or underwater? all are good, but the specifics and the price ... request
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent 12 August 2020 12: 32
    0
    Shoigu announced the conclusion of a contract for six corvettes for the Pacific Fleet

    Recall that the Amur Shipyard is building project 20380 corvettes for the Pacific Fleet. The corvette "Rezky" is under construction, and "Aldar Tsydenzhapov" is undergoing a test cycle before delivery to the customer.


    Not bad, so mini(bye, this is just the beginning yes )soap opera looms yes good
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 12 August 2020 13: 46
      +4
      Quote: Insurgent
      mini

      I would like not a mini, because the corvette is still a coastal ship. I would like to hope for the construction of ocean-class ships.
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 12 August 2020 12: 33
    +7
    Good news ... we are building up power in a very necessary direction ... otherwise Japan has increased its armaments for such a good war ... putting on its statements about the post-war rejection of militarization ...
    corvettes + coastal infrastructure and air force only to help us
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 12 August 2020 13: 01
      -2
      Quote: silberwolf88
      corvettes + coastal infrastructure and air force only to help us

      Life is so arranged, action gives rise to opposition. They are concerned about the Kuriles, and we are corvettes. They are an aircraft carrier, and it's time for us to order a couple of helicopter carriers in the northern version. So that the Japanese sleep better, and their dreams do not bother them. request
      1. silberwolf88
        silberwolf88 12 August 2020 22: 25
        +1
        I don’t remember something when Russia attacked Japan and Soviet / Russian soldiers marched through the cities of Japan ... but in Russia they were ... this is not an action and reaction ... this is normal border protection ... but its water part is very long ...
        about Japan and its claims ... these are just about 68 significant targets (there is such a term) ... in fact, the strike of one regiment of heavy missiles (such as Voevoda) iiii and everything in general ...
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 13 August 2020 04: 15
          -1
          Quote: silberwolf88
          I don’t remember when Russia attacked Japan and Soviet / Russian soldiers marched through the cities of Japan.
          This is what and what, clouding the mind? This is not for me. or the night was dark. Then reread it. request
        2. Aag
          Aag 13 August 2020 11: 38
          +1
          Quote: silberwolf88
          I don’t remember something when Russia attacked Japan and Soviet / Russian soldiers marched through the cities of Japan ... but in Russia they were ... this is not an action and reaction ... this is normal border protection ... but its water part is very long ...
          about Japan and its claims ... these are just about 68 significant targets (there is such a term) ... in fact, the strike of one regiment of heavy missiles (such as Voevoda) iiii and everything in general ...

          "... As of 2017, there were 46 P-36M2 Voevoda units on alert [6] in two positional areas in Yasnoye (Orenburg Region) and Uzhur (Krasnoyarsk Territory) in a variant with a multiple warhead with individual guidance units (10 warheads with a capacity of 1 Mt each), which are planned to be kept on alert until the beginning of the 2020s [7], until the new generation Sarmat ICBMs come to replace .. "
  • kapitan92
    kapitan92 12 August 2020 12: 33
    30

    I apologize to the site administration.
    Everlasting memory!
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 12 August 2020 12: 38
    +3
    The Ministry of Defense reported that a series of Project 20380 corvettes for the Pacific Fleet could be continued and the Amur Shipyard could receive a contract for the construction of ten ships. 

    Very well. The Pacific Fleet really needs ships! 20380 worked out platform, the construction time can be reduced.
  • Fungus
    Fungus 12 August 2020 12: 57
    -2
    Not bad so
  • Operator
    Operator 12 August 2020 13: 00
    -8
    Foreign recipients of the Russian coronavirus vaccine pay for the banquet bully
  • svp67
    svp67 12 August 2020 13: 02
    +4
    Corvettes, corvettes .. well, at least something. In general, frigates, destroyers and UDC would still be needed for the ocean fleet
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 12 August 2020 13: 37
      -1
      Frigates, destroyers and UDC cannot be built at the NEA. The depth of the river won't give.
  • Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 12 August 2020 13: 09
    18 th
    Kamchatka will not resist the Japanese Navy and Air Force
    1. RUnnm
      RUnnm 12 August 2020 13: 16
      +5
      And Honshu or Kyushu at least before "Caliber"?
      Do not forget that the whole country stands behind Kamchatka, which has indeed been greatly strengthened in recent years.
      1. Escobar
        Escobar 12 August 2020 13: 23
        +1
        Well, let's say it's very difficult to transfer ships from the Black Sea or the Baltic to the Far East
        1. RUnnm
          RUnnm 12 August 2020 13: 30
          +3
          What for ? If the Tu160 can be launched directly over the Engels airfield. Why would BF go so far? At 2600 km to Japan I came up and that's enough. "Caliber" is already available ...
          I'm just not talking about "Satan" ..
          I don’t understand one thing - why discuss such wars in a situation of a spherical vacuum? What a kindergarten. You must have such a defense that you would never have to fight again.
          1. Escobar
            Escobar 12 August 2020 21: 34
            0
            It hurts all sorts of "iksperdy" like to wave a nuclear club, completely oblivious to the consequences of the third world and nuclear winter. No one has yet canceled the NATO members' mutual assistance treaty. How are you with geography? We have for 4 fleets and one flotilla about 300 launch silos for calibers (if they are not loaded with anti -arable missiles and plur) on all surface and submarine carriers, of which about a third are RTOs from the Baltic of the Caspian and the Black Sea. On what rivers do you want to lead them approximately to the Amur? And Japan is not Syrian militants, where air defense is a machine gun in a jeep, they can shoot down
            1. RUnnm
              RUnnm 12 August 2020 21: 48
              +2
              I repeat once again - all these discussions are nothing more than a discussion of a spherical situation in a vacuum. It's just a kindergarten. It's just that when you say that we will not respond to Japan's forceful seizure of the islands, this is normal. And when the seizure of our islands is being discussed, it feels like Japan is ready for this step, and Russia will sit and watch - oh, they have the fifth article of the NATO charter.
              1. Escobar
                Escobar 13 August 2020 08: 57
                0
                I didn't mean to sit and watch in silence. I meant the answer with CONVECTIONAL weapons, do you think if, because of the conflict in the Domansky, the USSR began a nuclear bombing of the PRC?
                1. RUnnm
                  RUnnm 13 August 2020 09: 40
                  -1
                  I guess ... there would be no difference from Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the consequences
                  1. Escobar
                    Escobar 13 August 2020 09: 52
                    0
                    And a cloud of radioactive fallout over the entire Far East. Remember how it came from Chernobyl to Belarus
                    1. RUnnm
                      RUnnm 13 August 2020 09: 53
                      -1
                      You again moved on to discussing the situation in a spherical vacuum ... on what coordinates is the blow (not necessarily Damansky, there are control centers, etc.), what power, what wind rose, etc.
                      Well, really, do not seriously conduct such discussions
        2. ZAV69
          ZAV69 12 August 2020 16: 49
          0
          Think back to 1905. And how did it end
      2. Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
        Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 12 August 2020 13: 26
        -9
        Yes, no, the logistics will let us down there, and I don’t think to use nuclear weapons that Russia will take the risk, there are Yankees in Okinawa
        1. Grits
          Grits 12 August 2020 13: 46
          +2
          Quote: Hydrograph of the Golden Horn
          there are Yankees in Okinawa

          Well, let them stand. Until they fall from a radioactive typhoon from destroyed Japanese nuclear power plants
          1. Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
            Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 12 August 2020 14: 00
            13 th
            Delirium
            China Damansky took away from the USSR and nothing
            1. Escobar
              Escobar 12 August 2020 21: 24
              +2
              As far as I remember, the first MLRS was used on Damansky, and the Chinese were literally blown away
        2. bayard
          bayard 12 August 2020 17: 10
          0
          Quote: Hydrograph of the Golden Horn
          and I don't think that Russia will risk using nuclear weapons,

          This intention (and not the risk) is reflected in the RF Military Doctrine.
          And in the Far East, MiG-31K - carriers of "Daggers" are already being deployed. And in general, in a war at sea, aviation always defeats ships.
          Yes, the Japanese have enough enemies in the region and besides Russia.
      3. alexmach
        alexmach 12 August 2020 15: 24
        +3
        And Honshu or Kyushu at least before "Caliber"?

        The Japanese have a fairly modern air defense system. As well as shock capabilities.
        1. bayard
          bayard 12 August 2020 17: 15
          0
          In case of bad behavior, Japan can simply be washed away.
          Another tsunami.
          Together with American bases and dreams of "northern territories".
          It will JUST be a natural disaster.
          Very familiar and long expected.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 12 August 2020 20: 46
            0
            It's in the science fiction section.
            1. bayard
              bayard 12 August 2020 21: 18
              0
              This is the same fantasy as Japan's attack on Russia with the aim of capturing Fr. Sakhalin.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 13 August 2020 09: 57
                0
                It will be JUST a natural disaster

                This is simply not technically feasible. Don't you think that a tsunami can be triggered unnoticed by a nuclear explosion?
                1. bayard
                  bayard 13 August 2020 12: 37
                  -1
                  But did it last time?
                  True, the charge was not ours ... but ours will be more powerful repeat .
                  And in general - we have blown the trumpets from every iron about Poseidon for many years. And as for bottom charges with a capacity of 100 Mt. I heard back in the mid-80s. And according to the laws of drama - the gun must shoot.
                  Japan, England, USA, China - all have ideal geography for the use of hydroseismic weapons.
                  It's a sin not to use that.
                  Especially in defense.
                  After all, we are a PEACE country.
                  We don't need another world without Russia. yes
                  hi bully
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 13 August 2020 12: 59
                    0
                    But did it last time?

                    Yeah .. and the fact that no one knows about it only confirms that it turned out IMPRESSLY? laughing
                    1. bayard
                      bayard 13 August 2020 13: 23
                      -1
                      I don't know about the others, but the Japanese definitely noticed. yes
                      Their Fukushima is still oozing with radiation.
                      And a fresh dent-lens at the bottom from a half-megaton charge ... and specific isotopes immediately after the "incident", neither the Australians, nor the Chinese, nor others ... No. ... no, they didn't. request
                      How else can the stubborn samurai get them to abandon nuclear power and pay the penalty to God's chosen ones?
                      The only way yes bully .
                      It's hard to be a god without a nuclear club ... recourse
                      And with a club - bully nothing yes .
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 12 August 2020 13: 17
      +2
      or will it resist?) if Tokyo burns down you will also write a clown are you a local?)
    3. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 12 August 2020 13: 53
      +5
      Quote: Hydrograph of the Golden Horn
      Kamchatka will not resist

      Vassenka, honey, woke up ... wassat
    4. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 12 August 2020 18: 24
      0
      Accept Uzbagoitelny, there will be enough ICBMs in Kamchatka to sink Japan ...
    5. silberwolf88
      silberwolf88 12 August 2020 22: 29
      +1
      #hydrograph # globe # drunk # ... don't start talking about the capabilities of a nuclear power ... the potential of strategic nuclear forces will be enough for all significant opponents, even with a global strike ...
      and why do we need the World if there is no Russia in it ...
  • Escobar
    Escobar 12 August 2020 13: 22
    +4
    This is certainly good, but what about the construction of anti-submarine helicopters? (Each corvette can carry one at a time)
    1. Grits
      Grits 12 August 2020 13: 47
      +3
      Quote: Eskobar
      This is certainly good, but what about the construction of anti-submarine helicopters?

      No way. They hope that they will be extended on the old Soviet reserve Ka-27, Ka-29. About "Lamprey" so far only talk ...
      1. Escobar
        Escobar 12 August 2020 15: 49
        +1
        This is a fly in the ointment - a ship intended, including for PLO, may be left without a "long arm". And some "packages" with small-sized torpedoes can bring down submarines at a maximum range of a couple of tens of kilometers, if you're lucky. + There are only 8 of them in ammunition, some of which can be replaced by anti-torpedoes
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 12 August 2020 18: 20
          -1
          I can offer two possible solutions to the issue
          PLUR "Answer" will be accepted in UKSK or will make a less long-range version of the Answer compatible with Uranus PU
          1. Escobar
            Escobar 12 August 2020 21: 26
            0
            What kind of "answer" is possible in more detail, for the first time I hear
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 12 August 2020 21: 28
              0
              The answer is the 91P rocket, which is part of the Caliber complex.
              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ответ_(ПЛРК)
              1. Escobar
                Escobar 12 August 2020 21: 35
                -1
                Well, this will be after the rain on Thursday
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 12 August 2020 21: 41
                  -1
                  Not it has already been done and GOSy she passed
  • Rubi0
    Rubi0 12 August 2020 13: 30
    -3
    Oh well ... It's all a lie, everyone knows that all the money was stolen on yachts
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 12 August 2020 13: 37
    0
    No, well, someone says that frigates, helicopter carriers, aircraft carriers are needed ... Yes, they are, of course, needed. But, for now, we will be glad to see these corvettes too! yes yes
  • Vladimir_6
    Vladimir_6 12 August 2020 14: 50
    +3
    Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Yes, no, the logistics will let us down there, and I don’t think to use nuclear weapons that Russia will take the risk, there are Yankees in Okinawa

    Do you think the Yankees are untouchable? They are in Iraq too. Where they got from Iran for Qasem Suleimani.
    In addition, Russia would have done without nuclear weapons against Japan.
  • Arthur 85
    Arthur 85 12 August 2020 16: 13
    +2
    Can you tell us more about fixed prices? Will they finally tie the ruble to gold, and make the Central Bank understand its rates, targeting and inflation? And the currency will be a currency and not a means of speculation?
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 12 August 2020 18: 18
    -1
    Well, finally, the process got off the ground. And that corvettes with our best HAC Minotaur in the North are not needed?
  • barin
    barin 12 August 2020 19: 48
    0
    Great news good So they took up BMZ again smile smile
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 12 August 2020 23: 17
    0
    crooked heading, where does the Pacific Fleet?
    ps The head of the defense department did not go into the details of the planned contract for the construction of new ships, but earlier information on a possible contract had already been announced.

    I mean, how many ships went to the Pacific Fleet, and how many now the Baltic and Northern Fleet need, you understand about the Black Sea Fleet ...
  • Alexander Yaroshenko
    Alexander Yaroshenko 13 August 2020 04: 27
    +1
    Do not tell my volcanoes, 6 corvettes for the Pacific Fleet, this is a drop in the ocean, taking into account that the government is waging a civil war with the population, we returned in terms of the level of protection of the Far Eastern shores to the 20 years of the 20th century, when the Bolsheviks received the miserable remnants of the tsarist fleet and managed in 20 years to revive it, Pupkin managed to rub everything and pro ... for 20 years.
  • ximkim
    ximkim 13 August 2020 11: 23
    0

    - said Shoigu, adding that the contract will be signed after the USC switches "to fixed prices
    It's all strange ..
  • Old26
    Old26 13 August 2020 14: 42
    +2
    Quote: bayard
    And in the Far East, MiG-31K - carriers of "Daggers" are already being deployed.

    Well, are they already unfolding? Wow, such an event as the introduction of the "Dagger" complex into service passed so imperceptibly. Neither the President, nor the Minister of Defense, not a dream. not in spirit. And the words were not uttered, but it turns out that they are already unfolding. All the media are talking about the replacement of astrakhan hats with ordinary ones, the president issues a decree, and such an epoch-making event as the setting on combat duty of "Dagger" is a grave silence.
    And on DV MIG-31 they are located exclusively in Central Corner and Elizovo. But what a grievance, there is a modification, which is not altered under the "Dagger". It's a shame ...

    Quote: Eskobar
    Well, let's say it's very difficult to transfer ships from the Black Sea or the Baltic to the Far East

    Quote: RUnnm
    Why would BF go so far? At 2600 km to Japan I came up and that's enough. "Caliber" is already available ...

    In order for Japan to be within the reach of the "Caliber", the carrier must be somewhere in the middle of the Kuril ridge. And a very, very big question is whether he will hit the programmed target.

    Quote: bayard
    But did it last time?
    True, the charge was not ours ... and ours will feel more powerful

    Of course, of course there was a charge. True, such an insult ... no one has detected a nuclear explosion: neither Russia nor China (I do not take the rest into account). In Kazakhstan, on tests with DW, a charge with an energy release of 0,5 KT was detected, but here it was not. Moreover, the charge that caused a very sickly tsunami ... Everything is clear. The OBS Agency is at the forefront of the ideological struggle

    Quote: bayard
    And in general - we have blown every year from every iron about "Poseidon"

    And they will continue to trumpet, and for several more years (until the next election of the President). Then the topic will be quietly lowered on the brakes, and when asked by some savvy journalist, they will say: “they didn’t smog,” or “the characteristics turned out to be much lower than those stated.” And the iron - yes, it really is a mouthpiece of valuable and reliable information

    Quote: bayard
    And as for the bottom charges with a capacity of 100 Mt. I heard back in the mid-80s.

    Was it by chance that you didn't hear this bullshit? Another bike designed for the crowd. Which sometimes does not even know that even the charges on the carriers go through routine maintenance once every "x" years, and the bottom ones, yes, 100 megatons, which have never been tested .... they, of course, were generously scattered by us along the enemy's coast ... How can one win a nuclear war from the damned imperialists without them ...

    Quote: bayard
    Japan, England, USA, China - all have ideal geography for the use of hydroseismic weapons. It's a sin not to use it

    Weapons, the initiator of the ban on the development of which was the Soviet Union. Respected. This initiative dates back to the early 80s. For then it became clear that a simple bomb could not cause the desired reaction, and the consequences would be unpredictable. You can detonate a bomb somewhere at point X and cause catastrophic consequences in the San Anders Fault, and at the same time cause a catastrophic earthquake somewhere in Primorye, and the sinking of half of the Far East