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"Skipped the main phase of the tests": foreign media criticized the Russian vaccine against coronavirus

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"Skipped the main phase of the tests": foreign media criticized the Russian vaccine against coronavirus

Russian President Vladimir Putin's announcement on Tuesday that Russia has created the world's first coronavirus vaccine has met with controversy abroad. Against the background of the information that appeared about the desire of some countries to produce the Russian vaccine, articles criticizing the Russian medicine appeared in many foreign media.


The Washington Post writes that Putin's announcement of a coronavirus vaccine is causing concern among experts. According to them, Russia, in order to become the first, "skipped" critical testing, which is necessary in order to determine whether a new potential vaccine against coronavirus is safe and effective.

The British edition News Thump is making fun of the new Russian drug. According to the authors of the article published in this edition, Russians are obliged to test the vaccine in "their own way" - by applying it to the pens of houses in Salisbury.

Assuming not many people will die through the door handles during the first wave of vaccinations, and agents will also distribute the substance behind stores in Swindon and Gloucester

- Demonstrates English humor edition.

Another British publication - Nature - takes the issue of creating a vaccine more seriously, but begins to criticize from the first lines. It writes that according to experts, the Russian vaccine can be dangerous to humans, since it has not passed clinical trials on a large number of people.

This is a rash and unwise decision. It is unethical to vaccinate with an unproven vaccine on a mass scale. Any problem arising during vaccination in Russia will have disastrous consequences. Both because of its negative impact on health, and because it will further impede the formation of a positive attitude towards vaccines in the population

- quotes the publication of a statement by a geneticist from University College London, Francois Ballou.

The Polish Medonet echoes the British publications, stating that the Russian vaccine is dangerous for use, since the decisive phase of the trials has been missed.

CNN claims that Russia has not provided any data on the effectiveness of the vaccine, and it is not known whether it is safe.

In principle, publications in other foreign media do not differ much from the above. The main component of all these articles is that Russia has not tested the vaccine, it is not safe and not effective, Putin needs a victory in order to announce Russia's plans for geopolitical superiority, etc. etc.

But the Japanese edition of the Nikkei Asian Review did not comment on the creation of a vaccine against coronavirus by Russia, but wrote that the Philippines was ready to accept the offer of Russia on the supply of the medicine. At the same time, the Filipino leader Rodrigo Duterte announced his readiness to be the first to test the Russian vaccine on himself. According to him, Russia does not demand money for the medicine, unlike the United States, which has already requested compensation for the vaccine without having created it yet.

Meanwhile, Russia has already reacted to criticism of the vaccine, explaining it by competition and urged not to pay attention to it. The main wave of criticism comes from foreign pharmaceutical companies, which are also engaged in the development of a vaccine against COVID-19, because each of them wants to be the first and start making huge amounts of money from their medicines.


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  1. vkl.47
    vkl.47 12 August 2020 10: 39 New
    40
    If they criticize, then the vaccine was successful))) this is already an axiom.
    1. Deniska999
      Deniska999 12 August 2020 10: 43 New
      -39
      Would you dare to try it on yourself in the forefront?
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 12 August 2020 10: 51 New
        47
        Quote: Deniska999
        Would you dare to try it on yourself in the forefront?

        I do ... and you probably do not. Everyone's personal file ...
        1. For example
          For example 12 August 2020 10: 56 New
          21
          Quote: Deniska999
          Would you dare to try it on yourself in the forefront?

          do you suggest doing nothing?
          Or you will wait for a real democratic-liberal vaccine.
          1. Threaded screw
            Threaded screw 12 August 2020 10: 58 New
            -30
            do you suggest doing nothing?
            Well, there is an option to get sick and not drive yourself a genetically modified virus code, which is not clear how and when will come around.
            1. NKT
              NKT 12 August 2020 11: 30 New
              +5
              Are you, by any chance, a fan of Korey Parties?
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 12 August 2020 11: 48 New
                15
                Quote: NKT
                Are you, by any chance, a fan of Korey Parties?

                Such a short post may not be understood. yes The Pepsi generation, USE laureates and Solzhenitsyn's admirers may simply not know. what:
                "Measles parties" - meetings to which parents bring healthy children so that they can get infected and get sick - this is the apotheosis of human stupidity. Deliberate infection with an infectious disease and, as a result, its spread, I see it as a crime.

                And your question is quite reasonable. (+)
                1. Threaded screw
                  Threaded screw 12 August 2020 12: 53 New
                  +1
                  Generation "Pepsi", USE laureates and admirers of Solzhenitsyn
                  In one sentence laughing
                  1. krot
                    krot 12 August 2020 13: 49 New
                    +2
                    Well, there is an option to get sick and not drive yourself a genetically modified virus code, which is not clear how and when will come around.

                    It can be seen that a person "knows a lot" about vaccines and about covid in principle ... After the crown, immunity goes out in two months .. Your Western doctors even confirmed it in Britain .. Apparently, you will have to be infected with covid for immunity every 2 months support))
                    There is nothing worse than human ignorance. Moreover, who was given the right to vote. ))))
                    Our vaccine is based on the Ebola vaccine, which has been tested and proven to be effective and safe. So the risks are minimal in principle.
            2. alexmach
              alexmach 12 August 2020 11: 43 New
              +6
              Well, there is an option to get sick and not drive yourself a genetically modified virus code, which is not clear how and when will come around.

              Khe-khe. So it’s also not clear how and when it can come back to haunt.
              I would prefer a vaccine, even though I know it may not be 100% effective. I would have preferred this to both disease and massive lockdown. And yes, vaccines were tested on volunteers both in Russia and in the USA, for example.
              1. Roman1970_1
                Roman1970_1 12 August 2020 11: 57 New
                -11
                The problem is that we haven't tested it. Testing for less than 50 people is the first phase.
                The vaccine has not been tested on thousands of people. Okay, if it's not effective, but it can be dangerous.
                There were no side effect tests.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 12 August 2020 12: 02 New
                  +7
                  The problem is that we haven't tested it. Tests for less than 50 people this is the first phase

                  You contradict yourself. The first phase of testing has passed.
                  The vaccine has not been tested on thousands of people. Okay, if it's not effective, but it can be dangerous.

                  Of course not. So, no one has tested this vaccine on 50 people and starts a massive vaccination. here is from the next comment
                  extensive clinical trials of the vaccine will begin on August 12

                  This is the very same testing on thousands of people, which should give enough information about the vaccine. About side effects and all that. And it will take months by the way. Everything is done. Everything is done correctly and in order. About what to be excited then?
                  1. Mikhail Ya2
                    Mikhail Ya2 13 August 2020 08: 44 New
                    +1
                    That is, the vaccine was registered before the end of all testing phases. This is what the Western media are writing about. Not about its effectiveness or danger, but about the violation of testing. They put the horse behind the cart.
                    1. alexmach
                      alexmach 13 August 2020 10: 01 New
                      -1
                      That is, the vaccine was registered before the end of all testing phases

                      I am not a great specialist in the Ministry of Health bureaucracy, but it seems to me that it may well be that the drug still needs to be registered before its clinical trials.
                      They put the horse behind the cart.

                      Or just scribblers and readers do not understand at all what they are writing about.
                      Well, yes, this is a special case, the pandemic has been going on for half a year in such cases, it may well be justified to reduce bureaucratic procedures.
                2. astepanov
                  astepanov 12 August 2020 13: 16 New
                  -6
                  Quote: Roman1970_1
                  she is not effective

                  Quote: Roman1970_1
                  Testing for less than 50 people is the first phase.

                  A grammar expert is immediately visible. But one thing to note is this: an emergency requires emergency measures. Under normal conditions, you can safely spend years finalizing a vaccine, but in a pandemic, there is no time to swing. Each lost day is a new hundred dead and five thousand infected in Russia, and in the world - a quarter of a million infected. Russia has tremendous experience in developing vaccines, and the risk of failure is negligible.
                  It's a shame, but the vaccine is not recommended for people over 60 years old. Probably, the Pension Fund was in advance lol
            3. boss
              boss 12 August 2020 12: 20 New
              +5
              How reliable is the information you are circulating that the vaccine is a "genetically modified virus CODE"?
              Are you a medical doctor or a biologist?
              The statement is similar to the statements of "English scientists" @
            4. Vadim237
              Vadim237 12 August 2020 13: 41 New
              0
              There is no genetically modified virus code in this vaccine.
          2. NIKN
            NIKN 12 August 2020 11: 00 New
            +7
            Quote: For example
            democratic-liberal vaccine.

            laughing No way, she will also be genetically modified. I think it won't work for us anymore, she's something I associate with Bush's legs, hamburgers, LGBT people ..., and they will rather distribute it through McDonald's. winked
            1. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 12 August 2020 12: 10 New
              +5
              Quote: NIKNN
              and they will rather distribute it through McDonald's.

              What do you! What is the price of a vaccine for a potentially fatal disease? And what is the price of McDonald's products. Here it is more likely to be compared with the latest model of iPhones, "Tesla" or the network distribution of dietary supplements such as Herbalife. Otherwise, the margin is small, completely non-kosher democratic.
          3. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 12 August 2020 11: 28 New
            +6
            Quote: For example
            Or you will wait for a real democratic-liberal vaccine.

            Is it really that necessary? Anyone? I do not argue, of course there is a disease, people really get sick and die. But is the devil as terrible as he is painted to us? The opinions of virologists in the scientific world are divided. The timing of the start of the epidemic was officially announced later - in the fall of 2019, hospitals were clogged with people with pneumonia, and covid 19 was recognized only in the spring of the 20th. The percentage of mortality from oncology is several times higher, but the causes of this are not fought at all. It's kind of suspicious.
            In addition, the timing of clinical trials of the vaccine is suspiciously short. Will it be excruciatingly painful then?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 12 August 2020 13: 44 New
              -2
              In Moscow last year, they created a vaccination to prevent the appearance of neoplasms, including cancerous ones, but the media did not say anything about it for some reason.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 12 August 2020 13: 50 New
                +6
                Quote: Vadim237
                In Moscow last year, they created a vaccination to prevent the appearance of neoplasms, including cancerous ones, but the media did not say anything about it for some reason.

                And how is its performance confirmed? And the number of cancer patients is growing every year.
              2. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 12 August 2020 17: 57 New
                +1
                Quote: Vadim237
                In Moscow last year, they created a vaccination to prevent the appearance of neoplasms, including cancerous ones, but the media did not say anything about it for some reason.

                Vaccine against uncontrolled cell growth or leukocyte tumor changes (for example?) Well, this is a very advanced vaccine laughing
          4. Ivan90
            Ivan90 12 August 2020 11: 52 New
            -6
            Quote: For example
            Quote: Deniska999
            Would you dare to try it on yourself in the forefront?

            do you suggest doing nothing?
            Or you will wait for a real democratic-liberal vaccine.

            The vaccine from Dmitriev (by the way, a citizen of Ukraine) and Yevtushenkov (with his "Russian iPhone") is best avoided, its purpose is not your health.
            1. For example
              For example 12 August 2020 12: 02 New
              +1
              Quote: Ivan90
              it is better to avoid it, its purpose is not your health.

              Can you trust? Are you a specialist?
              At least a virologist?
              And so I understand faced with vaccines
              Quote: Ivan90
              from Dmitriev (by the way, a citizen of Ukraine) and Yevtushenkov (with his "Russian iPhone")
              and apparently personally died several times from these vaccines?

              What do you advise? Ointments, tinctures, maybe a pill? laughing
          5. Grits
            Grits 12 August 2020 13: 51 New
            -3
            Quote: For example
            a real democratic liberal vaccine.

            With molecules of freedom
          6. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 12 August 2020 15: 03 New
            +1
            Russia was the first in the world to develop a vaccine against Ebola. Much faster than Covid. And Ebola is much more dangerous ... a woman scientist died. But no one disputes the effectiveness of the vaccine. The problem with Covid is that it still needs to be proven to be particularly virulent. After all, there is intent on a concept with a seasoning of politics
          7. nemez
            nemez 13 August 2020 10: 12 New
            0
            With atoms of democracy)
        2. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 12 August 2020 11: 03 New
          -2
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Quote: Deniska999
          Would you dare to try it on yourself in the forefront?

          I do ... and you probably do not. Everyone's personal file ...

          Read about antibody-dependent intensification of infection first. A condition in which the vaccinated get sick more and die more often. Our vaccine produces persistent antibodies, no one disputes, but this is not an indicator of effectiveness. And research on AZUI in the Russian Federation in the case of the crown was not carried out, in any case, the results were not provided. And the risk is there and the risk is not small
          1. d4rkmesa
            d4rkmesa 12 August 2020 11: 14 New
            +3
            Well, for example, the vaccine developer in an interview with Meduza (by the way, read it, quite interesting) claims that there can be no ADE effect. At least, nothing like this was observed in a similar vaccine against MERS.
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 12 August 2020 11: 20 New
              0
              Quote: d4rkmesa
              Well, for example, the vaccine developer in an interview with Meduza (by the way, read it, quite interesting) claims that there can be no ADE effect. At least, nothing like this was observed in a similar vaccine against MERS.

              Quote
              "The ASUI mechanism has also been described for the RBD S-protein MERS-CoV [40]. The study showed that monoclonal neutralizing antibodies specific to RBD mediate the penetration of the virus into immune cells, functionally mimicking the virus-specific receptors."
              1. d4rkmesa
                d4rkmesa 12 August 2020 11: 48 New
                +3
                From the same text:
                "At the same time, a vaccine that forms cellular immunity to conservative antigenic determinants will not provoke ASUI. Such a vaccine can be made on the basis of the vector system of several viruses, including the Sendai virus, which will be discussed below."
                Such a vaccine has been developed for 3 years for MERS, so the same approach was used with some differences.
                1. For example
                  For example 12 August 2020 12: 07 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Vol4ara
                  Quote
                  “The ASUI mechanism has also been described for the RBD S-protein MERS-CoV [40].

                  Quote: d4rkmesa
                  From the same text:
                  "At the same time, a vaccine that forms cellular immunity against conservative antigenic determinants

                  Two virologists agreed! wassat
                  1. d4rkmesa
                    d4rkmesa 12 August 2020 12: 55 New
                    +3
                    By no means (I'm not a virologist), the people above are spamming with links from Wikipedia, I just answered symmetrically. ) Although, maybe he is a virologist, but somehow I did not see anything, except for the text from Wiki.
                    1. Vol4ara
                      Vol4ara 12 August 2020 13: 19 New
                      +1
                      Quote: d4rkmesa
                      By no means (I'm not a virologist), the people above are spamming with links from Wikipedia, I just answered symmetrically. ) Although, maybe he is a virologist, but somehow I did not see anything, except for the text from Wiki.

                      Not a virologist, veterinarian. And I know that in cats for fip, which is caused by coronavirus, they could not develop a vaccine that produces cellular immunity, they created a vaccine that produces antibodies, but oddly enough cats only began to die of it more often, hello Azui ... if your pet has a crown that has passed into the fip stage - prepare a shovel
                      1. For example
                        For example 12 August 2020 13: 46 New
                        -6
                        Quote: Vol4ara
                        And I know that cats

                        Treating cats is a weird thing to do.

                        treat the cattle - I understand.
                        Rather, she cares so that she does not get sick. Engage in prevention.
                        But cats, dogs ...
                        Are the fish not being treated yet?

                        They began to treat people for money, they collect money from the whole world ...
                        and during this time the state trains veterinarians to treat cats and dogs.

                        loot, loot, loot.

                        I have nothing against veterinarians personally. Everyone spins as best they can.

                        Our country is good, but the state is not entirely clear.
                      2. Grits
                        Grits 12 August 2020 14: 07 New
                        -3
                        Quote: For example
                        treat the cattle - I understand.

                        Where did you see her? State and collective farms are over. Therefore, veterinarians switched to cats and dogs. I am sure that the cost of treating some will be higher than treating the entire collective farm herd of cows.
                      3. Vol4ara
                        Vol4ara 12 August 2020 14: 08 New
                        0
                        Quote: For example
                        Quote: Vol4ara
                        And I know that cats

                        Treating cats is a weird thing to do.

                        treat the cattle - I understand.
                        Rather, she cares so that she does not get sick. Engage in prevention.
                        But cats, dogs ...
                        Are the fish not being treated yet?

                        They began to treat people for money, they collect money from the whole world ...
                        and during this time the state trains veterinarians to treat cats and dogs.

                        loot, loot, loot.

                        I have nothing against veterinarians personally. Everyone spins as best they can.

                        Our country is good, but the state is not entirely clear.

                        Of course they treat)) fish vsmysl.
                        And cats are treated, for example yesterday I collected a cat's paw 18 tr. Removed a piece of rubber toy from another from the intestine 15t.r. And he operated on the rate for ivdd 45 tr in total with the hospital. And these are average prices, there are clinics in the city where it will be much more expensive
                      4. zwlad
                        zwlad 14 August 2020 10: 05 New
                        0
                        Quote: For example
                        Are the fish not being treated yet?

                        They are being treated. And even there are specialized medicines.
                        And in the days of the USSR, oddly enough, they were also treated.
              2. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara 12 August 2020 13: 15 New
                +2
                Quote: d4rkmesa
                From the same text:
                "At the same time, a vaccine that forms cellular immunity to conservative antigenic determinants will not provoke ASUI. Such a vaccine can be made on the basis of the vector system of several viruses, including the Sendai virus, which will be discussed below."
                Such a vaccine has been developed for 3 years for MERS, so the same approach was used with some differences.

                But nowhere do they write that the developed in the Russian Federation forms cellular immunity. It is likely that it forms humoral immunity, antibodies and adyos. Frightens that everyone is screaming about the vaccine without providing any data, they usually do this when they try to hide something
        3. 16329
          16329 12 August 2020 11: 44 New
          +9
          Of course, whether it’s big pharmaceutical companies in Europe and especially the United States, they check everything and everything they have is the safest, and massive paracetamol in different packages for the people, and sleeping pills for pregnant women, and putting masses on narcotic painkillers, etc.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 12 August 2020 18: 01 New
            -1
            Quote: 16329
            massive paracetamol in different packages for the people,

            Moreover, there was information that WHO recommends the use of corticosteroids for the treatment of Covid. And this is a powerful immunosuppressant (immunosuppressor) and it will bring nothing but an increase in mortality
        4. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 12 August 2020 17: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Read first about antibody-dependent intensification of infection

          this phenomenon is associated with inadequate immunization, when, for example, the frill of an infectious agent contains several antigens and the vaccine contains one or two. In this case, incomplete inactivation of the virus occurs, and the immune system, having developed an incomplete set of antibodies, calms down, and the virus, having penetrated into the cell, multiplies. This phenomenon was common when primitive formol vaccines were made. If the vaccine has a complete set of antigens, this phenomenon is impossible.
      2. Prisoner
        Prisoner 12 August 2020 11: 57 New
        +3
        Come on! Pressing so will jerk to the nurse, pushing aside the old women and overturning chairs. hi
      3. Pravodel
        Pravodel 14 August 2020 07: 58 New
        0
        I'll inject too. A liberal-democratic vaccine is not needed. This will take root.
    2. aleks26
      aleks26 12 August 2020 11: 02 New
      -4
      Quote: Deniska999
      Would you dare to try it on yourself in the forefront?

      I would also pay extra for this opportunity!
    3. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 12 August 2020 11: 54 New
      +1
      if you get sick, then in the forefront will be
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 12 August 2020 12: 04 New
        +5
        if you get sick, then in the forefront will be

        Where and why? For a vaccine? Sick? What's the point?
    4. Invoce
      Invoce 12 August 2020 12: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Deniska999
      Meanwhile, Russia has already reacted to criticism of the vaccine, explaining it by competition and urged not to pay attention to it. The main wave of criticism comes from foreign pharmaceutical companies, which are also engaged in the development of a vaccine against COVID-19, because each of them wants to be the first and start making huge amounts of money from their medicines.

      Quote: Deniska999
      Would you dare to try it on yourself in the forefront?

      I'll take a chance! Ready even now, but unfortunately experienced without me
    5. sleeve
      sleeve 12 August 2020 12: 44 New
      0
      This is a joke? And what's your sarcasm?
    6. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 August 2020 13: 39 New
      0
      You know, they would give me this first row, I would try it out - without fear of anything.
    7. Tank hard
      Tank hard 12 August 2020 17: 53 New
      0
      In the fall, we go through the mandatory vaccination every year. So I'll try it out.
  2. halpat
    halpat 12 August 2020 10: 54 New
    21
    Quote: vkl.47
    If they criticize, then the vaccine was successful))) this is already an axiom.

    Now I'm picking up the minuses :))
    Yesterday I was surprised by the discord on TV. Specifically - Russia 24.
    The news item reads: The first in the world. There are no analogues. And generally well done.
    They show Rodrigo Dutherte - I'm not afraid of vaccinations, if I need to inject ... and so on.
    And in the running line, at the same time: extensive clinical trials of the vaccine will begin on August 12 ...
    Question: So there is a vaccine?
    Question: Where is it registered / recognized?
    The answers are:
    - Registered ONLY in Russia.
    - Clinical trials required by international standards have not been carried out.

    And then, in the same Russia 24, later. Murashko - we will be careful, we will check the safety, etc.
    And the rest of the comrades are responsible / irresponsible - yes, yes, we will test, check ...
    I would like to say: Yoshkin cat! Why are you in such a hurry?
    If someone was very impatient to report - now take the tubs of foul-smelling substance from the "partners" and do not complain, because they are largely right.
    1. aleks26
      aleks26 12 August 2020 11: 06 New
      14
      Quote: Halpat
      And in the running line at the same time: the widespread clinical trials of the vaccine will begin on August 12 ...
      Question: So there is a vaccine?
      Question: Where is it registered / recognized?
      The answers are:
      - Registered ONLY in Russia.
      - Clinical trials required by international standards have not been carried out.

      According to world standards, clinical trials have been going on for several years! There is no this time. If you want, wait, because no one forces you to be forcibly vaccinated.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 12 August 2020 11: 30 New
        -2
        Quote: aleks26
        There is no this time.

        Why not? The epidemic began to decline, this was confirmed by almost all sources, including official ones.
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 12 August 2020 12: 01 New
          +6
          not very much and went into decline, there are many sick every day, in some regions, like in spring
        2. Sacrifus
          Sacrifus 12 August 2020 12: 34 New
          +4
          Where did you start to decline? Europe is not the whole world! Over the past day, +265,888 new infected!
      2. halpat
        halpat 12 August 2020 11: 34 New
        -4
        Quote: aleks26

        According to world standards, clinical trials have been going on for several years! There is no this time. If you want, wait, because no one forces you to be forcibly vaccinated.

        Maybe you're right. And also, probably, you have not faced serious illnesses in your life (personally or relatives), coronavirus is by and large nonsense, more hysterical than a real existential threat. And God bless you.
        But I dare to assure you that if someone lives in Russia and meets cancer or something like that on their way, then there are simply no effective Russian medicines, but what there are are generics (indium, etc.) or ancient, still Soviet, drugs are possible with new name.
        And such things as "drugs" advertised on TV for "restoring" the liver, for example, "German" or "Italian" production ... gee-gee, cause embarrassed smiles from Western doctors.
        They do not have this, neither in medical practice, nor in general in pharmacies. Solid bullshit and hanging noodles in order to make money (this is in Russia).
        But in order to register a really good, effective Western drug in Russia, you need to go through all the circles of hell and you will get permission.
        So they knit then unfortunate women at customs, initiate criminal cases for the fact that they want to help their children, for the impotence of Russian pharmacy and for the inertia of bureaucrats from medicine, whose children, if anything happens, will leave for treatment in Switzerland, Germany, etc.
        But the "situation with mummies" is heroically resolved after the personal intervention of the top officials of the state.
        Eekhma.
        Let there be a vaccine, from coranavirus with Ebola.
    2. snucerist
      snucerist 12 August 2020 11: 10 New
      -13
      There is an assumption that crowing much earlier than dawn is already a tradition in Russia.
    3. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 12 August 2020 11: 19 New
      +5
      If you listen to partners, the vaccine will not be ready until 3 years later. Well, in 1,5-2, if you speed up some procedures. And as a result, the vaccine will also be "Registered ONLY in Russia", since registration in the European Union and the United States is a separate, highly bureaucratic procedure. In fact, partners are also testing the vaccine in action and are in a rush, but they do it in secret. And the whole howl is due to the fact that the Russians are again doing something "without respect." The survival of the nation and the economy is at stake. Even if they announced the completion of phase 3 with a thousand tracked patients, WHO would write that the study was not public (but how to make a public study when there are total bans on movement).
      1. aleks26
        aleks26 12 August 2020 13: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: d4rkmesa
        In fact, partners are also testing the vaccine in action and are in a rush, but they do it in secret.

        Moreover, one "very well-known" French company, already in full release "to the warehouse" of the vaccine, in parallel with the tests in a hurry. If the tests pass successfully, they will earn sooooo much, but no, so whoever does not risk, he does not drink champagne. In addition, in case of failure, this undervaccine will still be "vpar" to 3 countries, think of some complications some will have.
    4. ultra
      ultra 12 August 2020 11: 46 New
      +1
      To start clinical trials, the drug must be registered.
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 12 August 2020 12: 06 New
        +3
        tests will only be in Russia
    5. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 12 August 2020 11: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Halpat
      And in the running line, at the same time: extensive clinical trials of the vaccine will begin on August 12 ...
      Question: So there is a vaccine?
      Question: Where is it registered / recognized?
      The answers are:
      - Registered ONLY in Russia.
      - Clinical trials required by international standards have not been carried out.

      The history of the creation of the polio vaccine was completely forgotten here:
    6. alexmach
      alexmach 12 August 2020 11: 56 New
      +6
      Question: So there is a vaccine?

      Yes there is.
      Question: Where is it registered / recognized?

      So, read the news, but yesterday it was just registered.
      - Registered ONLY in Russia.

      And where do you think it should be registered if it was created in Russia and was registered only yesterday?
      - Clinical trials required by international standards have not been carried out.

      What do you know about global standards for vaccine testing?
      well, from your post:
      extensive clinical trials of the vaccine will begin on August 12

      This means start today. And how do you imagine where the results of these tests should have come from? From the nightstand?
      And then, in the same Russia 24, later. Murashko - we will be careful, we will check the safety, etc.

      And this is absolutely true. The new vaccine is not in clinical trials, as mentioned above. This means that there will not be a general vaccination yet, but only begin to vaccinate someone, someone who is definitely healthy, and continue to collect the necessary information. And it is likely that they will be able to complete these tests and collect enough information about the vaccine by the end of the year, not earlier. Then there will be enough data about the vaccine. it will be possible either to start applying it in large quantities, or they will prepare another instead of it.
      I would like to say: Yoshkin cat! Why are you in such a hurry?

      With what hurried then? With a vaccine? What was needed? Sit and do nothing? With the vaccine they do what they should do. Perhaps this will give the expected positive result, maybe something will not work out, this may also be the case.
    7. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 12 August 2020 11: 57 New
      -1
      they also said on TV that they would be the first to test on doctors and teachers
    8. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 12 August 2020 13: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Halpat
      Registered ONLY in Russia.
      - Clinical trials required by international standards have not been carried out.

      Relax and calm down.
      YES, THE VACCINE IS BUT NOT FOR MANUFACTURING, SALE AND USE.
      But, she passed only 1 and 2 stages of the test and now began 3 stage the most difficult and lengthy.
      Phase III vaccine trials
      Successful Phase II vaccine candidates move to larger trials, in which involve from thousands to tens of thousands of people. These Phase III tests are randomized and double-blind and include an experimental vaccine being tested against a placebo (the placebo can be saline, a vaccine for another disease, or some other substance).
      Following a successful Phase III trial, the vaccine developer will apply to the FDA for a biologics license. The FDA will then inspect the plant where the vaccine will be produced and approve the labeling of the vaccine.
      From thousands to tens of thousands of people participate. Different age groups, with different chronic diseases, people at risk. This is what is being started now, in order to speed up this process, as a rule, they turn to not rich countries to carry out stage 3 there and conclude an agreement with them that if they accept the vaccine, they will receive it for free.
      Well, all this propaganda, the name of the vaccine "Sputnik 5", as if the vaccine is equal to the achievement of the experiment on "Sputnik 5" (Belka and Strelka dogs, 40 mice, 2 rats, plants) are simply unnecessary and not tactful.
      This satellite was the first in the world with such an achievement, and about 90 different companies are at the same stage, and even signed a supply agreement if successful.
  3. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 12 August 2020 11: 08 New
    +2
    Quote: vkl.47
    If they criticize, then the vaccine was successful))) this is already an axiom.

    When they make their own, and prove that it is effective, then they can criticize, on the basis of comparison. In the meantime, you need to sit in silence and puff into a rag. But so far they can only be second.
    1. aleks26
      aleks26 12 August 2020 13: 18 New
      -1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      In the meantime, you need to sit in silence and puff into a rag. But so far they can only be second.

      Neeaaa, they don't want to. Russian hackers have ALREADY been accused of having stolen the "vaccine formula" from wise British scientists. Because the British are the first, after the Merikos, and only then Russia, and that is not a fact.
    2. Shraik
      Shraik 12 August 2020 14: 19 New
      +1
      The second is at best. And then you look and China will overtake them.
    3. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 12 August 2020 20: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      When they make their own, and prove that it is effective, then they can criticize, on the basis of comparison. In the meantime, you need to sit in silence and puff into a rag. But so far they can only be second.

      This is in order to understand what is happening in the world.
      https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html
  4. kapitan92
    kapitan92 12 August 2020 11: 22 New
    11
    Quote: vkl.47
    If they criticize, then the vaccine was successful))) this is already an axiom.

    MOSCOW, 11 August. / TASS /. Russia received requests from 20 countries for 1 billion doses of vaccine from the coronavirus, said the head of the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF) Kirill Dmitriev during an online conference.

    We received preliminary applications for the purchase of more than 1 billion doses of vaccine from 20 countries. Together with foreign partners, we are already ready to ensure the production of over 500 million doses vaccines per year in five countries and we plan to increase production capacity even more, "he said.

    "Phase 3 clinical trials of the Russian vaccine will also take place abroad... We have already reached agreements on conducting appropriate trials of the Gamaleya (Institute) vaccine with partners from the UAE, Saudi Arabia and a number of other countries, "the head of the fund said.

    Good news!
    A month ago, 5 of my friends were put with the virus in hospitals in different regions, where they were "hooked", only God knows. They put K2 (lung damage more than 25%). Everyone is already on their feet, but the treatment process is very complicated, injections in the abdomen and ass, constant droppers, oxygen, high temperature.
    A vaccine is needed!
    All health and good luck! hi
    1. Operator
      Operator 12 August 2020 12: 04 New
      -4
      It is necessary to identify opponents of the Russian vaccine (including in Russia) and refuse them vaccination - such as taking care of their health bully
  5. Vend
    Vend 12 August 2020 11: 26 New
    -1
    Quote: vkl.47
    If they criticize, then the vaccine was successful))) this is already an axiom.

    This is what they expected, nothing new from the Westerners laughing
  6. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 12 August 2020 11: 42 New
    +5
    Quote: vkl.47
    If they criticize, then the vaccine was successful))) this is already an axiom.

    The main message was expressed by Duterte:
    Russia does not demand money for the medicine, unlike the United States, which has already requested compensation for the vaccine without having created it yet

    good
  7. Normal ok
    Normal ok 12 August 2020 20: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: vkl.47
    If they criticize, then the vaccine was successful))) this is already an axiom.

    Any more or less literate person understands that checking for side effects is necessary and takes a long time. You can shout "Hurray" to the propaganda as much as you want, but in fact (even without "British scientists") - haste in this case is fraught with serious consequences.
  8. avg
    avg 13 August 2020 11: 04 New
    -1
    Quote: vkl.47
    If they criticize, then the vaccine was successful))) this is already an axiom.

    They not only criticize, they are terribly concerned about the safety of the Russian population and demand "data on the effectiveness of the vaccine" ... This means that we need not only to produce a vaccine, but also to vigilantly "protect our pockets" yes
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 12 August 2020 10: 41 New
    11
    That's right - if you yourself are behind - you need to water your competitors! And then the profit is at stake!
    And our virologists are just handsome!
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 12 August 2020 10: 46 New
      +9
      Quote: RUnnm
      That's right - you yourself have fallen behind if you need to water your competitors! And then the profit is at stake!
      And our virologists are just handsome!

      Here - however, the Russian scientific school of immunology has confirmed its status yes

      Now - "flag in hand"to pharmaceutical manufacturers and those who will promote the drug outside the Russian cordons ...
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 12 August 2020 10: 51 New
        -1
        Yes, it is an extremely convenient moment to display the flag in humanitarian matters. Produce as many doses as possible and distribute free of charge to making countries.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 12 August 2020 11: 09 New
        0
        Quote: Insurgent
        Here - however, the Russian scientific school of immunology has confirmed its status

        Low bow to them.
      3. Rzzz
        Rzzz 12 August 2020 11: 46 New
        0
        Quote: Insurgent
        a flag in the hands of "pharmaceutical manufacturers and those who will promote the drug outside the Russian cordons ...

        An interesting point, production will be given to an office owned by Sberbank, which seems to be somewhere not in Russia. Well, to make it easier to promote behind the cordon.
    2. Simon schempp
      Simon schempp 12 August 2020 11: 01 New
      -20
      That's right - if you yourself are behind - you need to water your competitors! And then the profit is at stake!
      And our virologists are just handsome!

      Wow what these Western pharmaceutical companies are scoundrels.
      It is necessary to ban the supply of life-saving medicines to them in Russia.
      I am sure that handsome virologists will cope with this challenge.
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 12 August 2020 12: 08 New
        0
        and so already purchases have stopped many drugs
    3. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 12 August 2020 11: 08 New
      -5
      Quote: RUnnm
      That's right - if you yourself are behind - you need to water your competitors! And then the profit is at stake!
      And our virologists are just handsome!

      Я тут ссылочку оставлю https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%84%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8

      In the Russian Federation, research in this area has not been carried out, in any case there is no data on this
    4. AlexVas44
      AlexVas44 12 August 2020 11: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: RUnnm
      And our virologists are just handsome!

      Better, probably more modest - well done. Three dozen young, healthy volunteers are not yet 100 percent, as they say.
  • g1v2
    g1v2 12 August 2020 10: 44 New
    14
    Well, everything is logical. For decades, everyone was told that the Russian wild barbarians could not think of anything and generally bend, and here once - they were the first to patent a vaccine against a worldwide sore. It is unacceptable. request And then suddenly there are still people who will not get sick thanks to the Russian vaccine. in the future, they will stop believing their media, which talk about how the Russians want to kill them all. They will start asking stupid questions, and then stupid thoughts can go on. Like - "maybe it's better to be friends with the Russians and negotiate, since they are useful"?
    1. Kart
      Kart 12 August 2020 10: 57 New
      +3
      Now they write that it was Russia that invented the virus, which is why the vaccine was so quick.
      That is, they are already being accused as usual.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 August 2020 11: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: g1v2
      And then suddenly there are people who will not get sick thanks to the Russian vaccine.

      Yes, you just need to be happy that there is a vaccine, a victory for the whole world. Such a victory for the whole world as
  • kapitan92
    kapitan92 12 August 2020 10: 45 New
    +8
    The main wave of criticism comes from foreign pharmaceutical companies, which are also engaged in the development of a vaccine against COVID-19, because each of them wants to be the first and start making huge amounts of money on their medications.

    This is the explanation for all the cries of the "partners" !!!
  • serzh.kost
    serzh.kost 12 August 2020 10: 45 New
    +7
    who would doubt, if enemies criticize - then everything is done correctly yes
  • Kronos
    Kronos 12 August 2020 10: 46 New
    -11
    In general, they are right to make a vaccine of high quality will not come out so quickly.
    1. RUnnm
      RUnnm 12 August 2020 10: 54 New
      12
      Yes, yes .... and according to Western "experts", one has to wait another 2-3 years from Ebola ... but bad luck - "Vector" has already certified and supplies vaccine to African countries under the UN mandate
      1. borberd
        borberd 12 August 2020 11: 43 New
        -3
        Why burn like that? In November last year, the Ebolla vaccine from US Merck was recognized by the European Commission as the only certified vaccine. All others were considered experimental.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 12 August 2020 13: 50 New
          +1
          But at the same time everyone buys Russian from Ebola, it seems that double standards have appeared for the experimental ones.
          1. borberd
            borberd 12 August 2020 14: 23 New
            -2
            Who is all this? Africans? So the main thing for them is cheap, not angry. Your vaccine has very unpleasant side effects.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 12 August 2020 10: 47 New
    -4
    Well, so all this boodyag was started in order to make money. We advertise a disease (swine, bird and other flu, in fact mutations of one and the same), wait for hysteria, buy up on the sly and roll out another ascorbic acid under a curtain under a new wrapper and collect laurels of the savior of mankind while mowing the cache. Everything except the last points has been done for us. Oh yes, Russians don’t take money, they’re glad for thanks. Well, the world and countries we are saving, they say thank you to us with sanctions and hatred, maybe this time we don’t need to play humanism but just sell until the place is intercepted?
  • Simon schempp
    Simon schempp 12 August 2020 10: 47 New
    -24
    Yes, yes, we really believe that a country that even can't make insulin normal for diabetics has made a vaccine here. I already see how the richest countries are the USA, Germany, etc. lined up to buy the vaccine.
    1. RUnnm
      RUnnm 12 August 2020 10: 55 New
      +5
      But who would give them to do this?)))) Yes, their drug addiction is better off ditching the virus than they give their profits.
    2. Kart
      Kart 12 August 2020 10: 58 New
      +6
      Your Ukraine last.
    3. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 12 August 2020 11: 03 New
      +6
      Quote: Simon Schempp
      even insulin cannot be made normal for diabetics,

      The Geropharm company ... read. We are surprised.
      And what does insulin technology have to do with a vaccine? From Ebola, ours also had time before the rest.
    4. aleks26
      aleks26 12 August 2020 11: 11 New
      +4
      Quote: Simon Schempp
      I already see how the richest countries are the USA, Germany, etc. lined up to buy the vaccine.

      And these are their problems, but even if they all take a break, this is THEIR way! There will be fewer enemies.
  • Playerman
    Playerman 12 August 2020 10: 51 New
    +9
    It would be foolish to think that it would be otherwise. Western pharmaceuticals didn't have a horse, but here on you. Vaccine! Now the entire "collective" West will unite to find fault with the Russian vaccine. They are afraid that: "Fun cabbage floats away" wassat
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 12 August 2020 10: 52 New
    +7
    Dumb, English humor.
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 12 August 2020 10: 53 New
    10
    If the US or UK made the vaccine in the same way, the articles would be rotated 180 degrees. Laudatory odes, tons of flattery and the film would have been shot. But this is different, you need to understand?
    1. Simon schempp
      Simon schempp 12 August 2020 10: 56 New
      -9
      If the vaccine were made in the same way by the USA or the UK

      then competent people would inform about this, and not a person who is a Swiss, and a reaper, and a gamer.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 12 August 2020 11: 00 New
        +5
        Sure? I think it would be Trump, not virologist John. In its own way, "delightful", "beautiful", etc.
      2. kot423
        kot423 12 August 2020 11: 13 New
        +1
        Is this Trump and K or what? Indeed, for your 404, only these are competent in everything, even in the latrine.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 12 August 2020 11: 05 New
      +9
      There are now 6 vaccines in 3 stages - trials on thousands of people from different control groups. And months-long monitoring of side effects.

      Sputnik 5 - intends to go through this stage after registration. That is, the Chinese or the Americans could also register their prototypes with the national authority even earlier (the Chinese, it seems, brought them to stage 3 already in May-June), and become the first in the world.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 12 August 2020 10: 54 New
    -1
    It is strange that very quickly ...
    1. _Sergei_
      _Sergei_ 12 August 2020 10: 59 New
      +1
      Because they worked.
      1. riwas
        riwas 12 August 2020 11: 22 New
        +5
        At a press conference dedicated to the creation of a vaccine, it was announced that there was a great backlog - even before COVID-19, they worked on vaccines against similar coronavirus infections. That's why they did it quickly.
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  • Anyuta Glorious
    Anyuta Glorious 12 August 2020 10: 56 New
    -6
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 12 August 2020 10: 59 New
    +5
    No wonder! The West is VERY annoyed that the "Russian barbarians" who "cannot do anything on their own" HAVE PREVENED them in creating a vaccine against coronavirus. The annoyance is multiplied by the future income of Russia (respectively - the losses of the West) from the sale of this vaccine. And, of course, they immediately rushed to mock and pour crap on Russia and the Russians! yes
  • fn34440
    fn34440 12 August 2020 11: 02 New
    +4
    Old rotten snot of stupid grandmother Teresa Maidavoshka "The British edition of News Thump mocks the new Russian medicine. According to the authors of the article published in this edition, Russians are obliged to test the vaccine in" their own way "- by applying it to the handles of houses in Salisbury.

    Assuming not many people will die through the door handles during the first wave of vaccinations, and agents will also distribute the substance behind stores in Swindon and Gloucester

    - Shows the English humor edition. " someone else amused in this world? The British are arrogant and envious.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 August 2020 13: 54 New
      0
      Today he mocks - and tomorrow he will demand that they sell it.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 August 2020 11: 06 New
    +3
    The American edition of The Washington Post ... is causing concern among experts. British edition News Thump mocks the new Russian drug in full
    Etc. How is it that Russia with its economy "torn to shreds" and a bouquet of sanctions dares to declare that it is the first. We will die from the coronavirus, but we will not believe it. the first must be the Anglo-Saxons and no one else. This already resembles the Sabbath of evil spirits on their own bones.
  • Campanella
    Campanella 12 August 2020 11: 08 New
    +2
    Anglo sex and their mongrels howled with resentment! Well, they were the first on the moon! ))) They have cambridge and ellie, and here the bast boots have overtaken them.
    Such a friendly howl does not paint the "elite" of the world, turning it into a herd of sheep.
    Instead of a specific "practice of application will show the effectiveness of your medicine" went a pile of British crap, and as we know it from them as mud.
  • sevtrash
    sevtrash 12 August 2020 11: 10 New
    -1
    Of course, there is a struggle for primacy, money, competition. On the other hand, there are certain rules, standards that are usually followed. In the West, violation of the rules can result in millions of lawsuits. The situation with the Russian vaccine looks like an example "the party said - the people did it" and the party looks like a fine fellow, so caring. Of course, this does not mean at all that the vaccine is ineffective. It may be perfect at all, but it did not pass the tests accepted in the world.
    Of course, the West, and not only, left, but not quite. The wormhole remained. This cannot be called a pure victory. Maybe the type was registered first, and then we will carry out the tests. Then such a cheating is obtained.
  • sen
    sen 12 August 2020 11: 10 New
    +3
    There is no doubt that the vaccine is safe, but it must be delivered abroad selectively - you can run into multibillion-dollar lawsuits that "friends" organize quickly.
  • Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 12 August 2020 11: 13 New
    +2
    how is it in the Bible ... Who are the judges? those who rewrote it? ... fi ... miserabli, parvenu and boors
  • 1536
    1536 12 August 2020 11: 16 New
    +3
    It is more profitable for the British to shout and propagate that their citizens are being "poisoned" with a poisonous substance of unknown origin than to buy a Russian vaccine to save human lives. The question is, why does the British government need this? Apparently to keep people at bay and therefore in control?
    1. Poetry
      Poetry 12 August 2020 11: 46 New
      +2
      The British think like Kipling. They are civilized and noble, and all other peoples are "Mowgli".
  • Ham
    Ham 12 August 2020 11: 16 New
    +3
    well, it is clear why such a kipish is a Russian, totalitarian, not a handshake and not a tolerant vaccine!
    that's why everyone screamed! the gas station country, headed by a bloody tyrant, again blasted the Real, Democratic, Free, etc. etc.
  • jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 12 August 2020 11: 17 New
    +1
    Let them put their generics in one place. Pancake testers
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 12 August 2020 11: 19 New
    +1
    Envy is a bad feeling ... and how is it now to broadcast that we are backward ... but we have created a vaccine ... and most importantly they are angry at the FREE application ... which destroys Western business who has decided to cash in on the danger well
    1. atalef
      atalef 12 August 2020 11: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: silberwolf88
      and most importantly, they are angry at the FREE application ... which destroys Western business who decided to cash in on the danger well

      Well, actually, vaccinations have always been free, unless it's multi-vaccinations for trips to exotic countries.
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  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 12 August 2020 11: 21 New
    +2
    Quote: fn34440
    Based on the assumption that few people will die through the door handles during the first wave of vaccinations,

    Someone died in Salisbury?
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 12 August 2020 12: 13 New
      +2
      sure! cat!!!
  • Free wind
    Free wind 12 August 2020 11: 21 New
    -10
    Of course, you can declare that it has no analogues in the world, and register a vaccin in a beer stall around the corner. In order to be recognized in the world, in addition to such statements, more time and other evidence is needed. There are dozens of cases of re-illness with this fucking virus. There can be no talk of any antibodies there yet.
  • Kelwin
    Kelwin 12 August 2020 11: 24 New
    +2
    Assuming not many people will die through the door handles during the first wave of vaccinations, and agents will also distribute the substance behind stores in Swindon and Gloucester

    And the idea is not bad - well, half of the island will rest, and figs with it. For reliability, a beginner dilute 2k1 and excellent. Amen.))
  • fn34440
    fn34440 12 August 2020 11: 25 New
    +2
    These English boys are burning down their 5J cell towers, which the Chinese have set up for them, howling and barking that these towers are contributing to the coronavirus infection. What to talk to the British about? Middle Ages. Witches. Bonfires. Jesuitism.
  • vkl.47
    vkl.47 12 August 2020 11: 26 New
    +2
    Quote: Deniska999
    Would you dare to try it on yourself in the forefront?

    Easy. And you can drink aspirin if you pick up this stuff. Nobody forces you.
  • Operator
    Operator 12 August 2020 11: 30 New
    -2
    Vladimir Putin has already stated that one of the volunteers who tested the vaccine was his daughter.

    We are talking about extinguishing a pandemic in our country, and not about the next showdown with the flu, so skipping the additional (and not the main) third stage of vaccine testing is justified - in biological warfare as in war.

    The initiators of the next anti-Russian company were the largest Western pharmaceutical companies, whose financial investments in the development of their own vaccines were blown downwind.

    Having failed the organization of the fight against the pandemic and still do not have their own tested vaccine, the United States, Britain and other foreigners screech like slaughter pigs. It is necessary to wish them to continue to wear not to bear.

    After the vaccination of Russian citizens, our vaccine must be sold to foreigners at 1000 bucks per dose (to Poles, Georgians, Balts, Ukrainians and other limitrophes, in the last place - the production of tea is not rubber).
  • Diviz
    Diviz 12 August 2020 11: 35 New
    -4
    It is much more difficult to treat at the genetic level. Finally cure HIV; oncology. Etc. How many more years does it take to do this? Will this happen when our spirituality surpasses the perishable body? That is, never? Or it will happen when Natural Selection, mixed with artificial, reaches its maximum. And that would coincide with gene changes every 8000 years. Why not a single geneticist is shown. Why is there no geneticist in polyclinics? Is it more expensive and too innovative? Are people not ready for this yet? Vaccination is a temporary measure because viruses change and become more dangerous.
  • CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 12 August 2020 11: 37 New
    +5
    In our media there was infa that the vaccine was developed on an existing platform, so everything happened so quickly, well, GDP fueled interest in the drug, said that his daughter was vaccinated with a new drug
    1. Laksamana besar
      Laksamana besar 12 August 2020 12: 32 New
      0
      We are ahead of all countries in the world. How did you create a vaccine so quickly?
      Minister of Health Mikhail Murashko told about this:
      - Immediately after the WHO declared a pandemic of the new coronavirus, the Gamaleya National Research Center for Epidemiology and Microbiology began creating a vaccine.

      Scientists used the experience and well-established technology for the manufacture of adenoviral vectors, explained the head of the Ministry of Health. According to him, back in the 1990s, researchers at the Gamaleya Center conducted the first successful experiments to create gene therapy drugs. “And the further development of this area allowed us to create a universal platform for the development of vaccines against various, including especially dangerous infectious diseases,” said Murashko.
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 12 August 2020 20: 15 New
      -1
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      y and VVP fueled interest in the drug, said that his daughter was vaccinated with a new drug

      Director of the Center. Gamalei Alexander Gunzburg said he did not know how the daughter of Russian President Vladimir Putin received the coronavirus vaccine. Interfax reports. He suggested that she might have volunteered for a drug trial. “Probably, I was a volunteer, I didn’t look at the passport. I don’t know in the face of all the volunteers, this is not for me,” added Gunzburg.
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 12 August 2020 11: 51 New
    +8
    Quote: Chuck Lee
    Nothing special was destroyed in the USSR during the Second World War and WW2.

    Excuse me, is everything all right with your head? Well, just say such nonsense, a person in a sober mind and a solid memory is not capable of. I won't even comment.
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 12 August 2020 12: 04 New
      +4
      It looks like he's just a moneyer or a Jew. The first one is usually written nonsense out of feeble mind, and the second - in order to tease the audience.
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 12 August 2020 11: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: Chuck Lee
    Why have you never wondered?

    Because your idols and your Vlasov ancestors considered us Untermer women, unable to do anything, unworthy to occupy territories of interest to you ...
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 12 August 2020 11: 53 New
    +2
    laughing Weave behind and swallow dust trying to blame. Wash your mattress funerals!
  • maks007
    maks007 12 August 2020 11: 53 New
    -1
    Quote: sevtrash
    Of course, there is a struggle for primacy, money, competition. On the other hand, there are certain rules, standards that are usually followed. In the West, violation of the rules can result in millions of lawsuits. The situation with the Russian vaccine looks like an example "the party said - the people did it" and the party looks like a fine fellow, so caring. Of course, this does not mean at all that the vaccine is ineffective. It may be perfect at all, but it did not pass the tests accepted in the world.
    Of course, the West, and not only, left, but not quite. The wormhole remained. This cannot be called a pure victory. Maybe the type was registered first, and then we will carry out the tests. Then such a cheating is obtained.

    Better to read https://takiedela.ru/news/2020/08/11/sputnik-v/ But some clippings below

    There are usually three phases of testing prior to drug registration: the first checks the safety of the vaccine in healthy volunteers, and the second checks the immunogenicity. In the third stage, a large group of volunteers are vaccinated and the incidence is monitored over a long period. In Russia, vaccine trials on volunteers ended in July, and the second phase of clinical trials was completed on August 1. Already on August 11, the vaccine was registered, but with a limited period - until January 1, 2021. By this time, the third stage of testing should be completed.
    .
    Denis Logunov, deputy director for scientific work of the Gamaleya Center, said that initially the vaccine was tested on several species of animals, and then on two groups of volunteers of 38 people. The final stage of clinical trials for a vaccine is testing on thousands of people. According to the scientist, in order to proceed to this phase, the registration of the drug "on limited conditions" was required.

    "The results of the studies of the first and second phases have not yet been published, all we have are verbal assurances that [the vaccine] is safe," Svetlana Zavidova, executive director of AOKI, commented to Takom Delov. The expert noted that according to the recommendations of the American FDA agency, it is possible to speak about the effectiveness of the drug only after testing the vaccine on at least several thousand participants.
    Virologist Anatoly Altstein, professor at the Research Center of Gamaleya, told Takie Delo that the study of the vaccine will continue. “It has been shown that animals and humans develop antibodies against the coronavirus. This gives hope that the vaccine will be effective. To truly assess its complete safety and effectiveness in an epidemic, it is necessary to conduct a third phase of trials, which is planned and will be carried out later. Thousands of people will be vaccinated there, ”the expert said.
    .
    It is permissible to register a drug in the early stages of clinical trials - this is what they do in Europe and the United States, said Sergey Glagolev, a representative of the Office of the Organization for State Control of the Quality of Medical Products of Roszdravnadzor. He stressed that the third phase of the study of the Russian vaccine will take place after registration.
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    Despite the fact that the drug is registered, it will appear in civil circulation no earlier than 2021.
    For Russian citizens, the vaccine will be available from January 1, 2021, said Alexander Gintsburg, director of the Gamaleya Center. He clarified that the Center is already ready to start the third stage of testing. “Even today, as soon as the money is given, we will start, we will register all XNUMX volunteers,” he said about the third phase.
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 12 August 2020 12: 03 New
      -1
      If you test it this way, and even get FDA approval, you might not even fit into this decade. For the bans on flights, the employment of native medical officials, the queues for certification, long months for the consideration of each package of documents and so on. Over there in the Irkut, the MC-21 certification is up.
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 12 August 2020 11: 54 New
    +8
    Quote: Chuck Lee
    The USSR ONLY saved someone from Nazism?
    Who?

    All European countries, at least. Moreover, fighting against all your idols - Germany, Norway, Finland, Hungary, Romania, French divisions, etc.
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 12 August 2020 11: 56 New
    +6
    Quote: Chuck Lee
    In fact, the Cold War began with the blockade of West Berlin by the USSR. Those. it was unleashed by the USSR itself.

    You will lie to hamsters who read stories from comics. The USSR has repeatedly proposed to demilitarize Berlin, but the USA, ignoring the agreements on the withdrawal of troops from all 4 zones, occupied the zones of England and France, dividing Berlin into 2 zones. So leave your delirium to yourself
  • faterdom
    faterdom 12 August 2020 11: 57 New
    +1
    God grant that our vaccine will be effective and without side effects. But the next and most important thing (if this is so) - first of all to instill in our people, and not think about selling, or worse, how can we save the "civilized world" for free, so that they fill up there and cry ...
    Let's secure our own, then the EAEU, then the Chinese-Hindu-Serbs, and then those who will stick their sanctions on themselves, and then, expensive and limited by the lists! [quote] [/ quote]
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 12 August 2020 12: 01 New
    -1
    The naglo-Saxons have broken off. It is not destiny to become monopolists and profit from the crown, so they hiss, they spit poison.
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 12 August 2020 12: 01 New
    0


    The Germans will ask: Breakthrough or Propaganda?
  • tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
    tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 12 August 2020 12: 07 New
    -5
    "This is a rash and unwise decision. It is unethical to carry out mass vaccination with an unproven vaccine." We feel sorry for them, then we will test on you! ...
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  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 12 August 2020 12: 08 New
    +3
    Quote: Chuck Lee
    In fact, the post-war development of the USSR is about captured technologies, captured equipment and the Germans-state workers.

    But why are you using such zaboristy? !!! Let me name the list of trophy technologies that allowed the USSR to make such a leap! And I beg you, start with rocket science, so that I can smudge you with von Braun and Operation Breaking.
  • Swed
    Swed 12 August 2020 12: 18 New
    0
    Of course they will criticize - as there is a lot of money at stake.
    Here in the United States they announced that there is a rather powerful medicine that showed good results, even among seriously ill patients, but there was not much joy. Why? Because the course of treatment costs only 5000 bucks. As they say, we will cure the chosen ones, forgive the rest, such is life.
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 12 August 2020 13: 04 New
      +1
      Actually, by native standards, it is inexpensive. The insurance company will pay and won't blink. 50000 - already with difficulty, 500000 - practically not.
  • Avior
    Avior 12 August 2020 12: 21 New
    -2
    I, of course, understand that now the patriots will nominate me, but about the vaccine
    there is a statement in the press that sounded like this
    Russian pharmaceutical companies urged the Ministry of Health to postpone the registration of the coronavirus vaccine until the successful completion of the third phase of drug trials. This is stated in a letter from the Association of Clinical Research Organizations (ACOI), RBC reports.

    AOKI includes large companies, including Bayer, AstraZeneca, Novartis. The document says that fewer than 100 people participated in the trials, although in the third phase the drug is being tested on several thousand patients. At this stage, information is collected not only about the effectiveness of the vaccine, but also about its safety in humans ....

    This Association actually includes mainly large foreign drug manufacturers and companies conducting clinical trials, but there are also Russian ones.
    Here is a complete list of members of this organization with a description of each.
    http://acto-russia.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5
    the letter itself can be read here
    http://acto-russia.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=411
    the main point of the letter is that
    1. There were no massive phase 3 tests on thousands of patients of different ages, concomitant diseases, and so on, while referring to other developments of a similar vaccine. The letter states that it is phase 3 that is critical when testing a vaccine.
    2. They write that an industrially produced vaccine that is out of production, and not used for clinical trials, is subject to registration.
    It is worth emphasizing the high risks of drug registration before the end of phase III. It is during this phase that the main evidence of efficacy is obtained, as well as information is collected on the adverse reactions that the drug can cause in certain groups of patients: people with weakened immunity, people with concomitant diseases, etc. The developers, on the other hand, explicitly state that they want to vaccinate first of all, including retirees8 as those at risk for COVID-19. Although to date there is no data on the safety of this vaccine for the elderly, often with a number of concomitant diseases and often - weakened immunity.

    Another argument against the hasty introduction into civilian circulation is related to the fact that registration is not subject to a fundamental development, not an idea or even a model, but the final product that the consumer will receive. Significant characteristics of such a product are the conditions for its production, which guarantee the proper quality and safety, which are no longer characteristic of the vaccine as such, but of individual batches and units of products leaving the conveyor.

    The letter cites the decree of the Government of the Russian Federation on simplified registration of drugs, but it is argued that this is not the case.
    The Government of the Russian Federation dated 03.04.2020 No. 441 approved the "Peculiarities of the circulation of medicinal products for medical use, which are intended for use in conditions of a threat of occurrence, occurrence and elimination of an emergency situation and for organizing the provision of medical assistance to persons affected by emergencies, prevention of emergency situations , prevention and treatment of diseases that pose a danger to others, diseases and injuries resulting from exposure to adverse chemical, biological, radiation factors ", which open the way for simplified registration of medicinal products, the relief in this decree applies only to part 7 of Article 18 of the Law" On Circulation medicines ”, but not part 4 with the requirements to confirm the quality of the final product of the production of the medicinal product.

    3. The letter states that there are allegedly at least 6 vaccines in the world that have already passed this very third phase of testing, there are 26 such vaccines, so there is no question of any priority for Russia in any case.
    It would be nice to read the commentary of a specialist on these issues if we have one here.
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 12 August 2020 13: 00 New
      +1
      Not a single vaccine has yet passed stage 3, it takes a year.
      "More than 200 vaccines against coronavirus are being developed in the world, six of which are undergoing clinical trials," said Tedros Adan Ghebreyesus, Director General of the World Health Organization (WHO), TASS writes.

      “We have over 200 candidate vaccines, and six of them are in a very good stage, in clinical trials,” Gebreyesus said.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 12 August 2020 14: 02 New
        -4
        It can be assumed that Russia has military medical technologies of a closed plan that allow testing vaccines in the event of a ravine, and the necessary computing power for such tests is the same.
      2. Avior
        Avior 12 August 2020 14: 56 New
        -1
        Yes, I have an error, in the text of the letter my link was "clicked" and not passed
        ... there are 26 candidate vaccines worldwide, of which 6 have already entered phase III and are being tested with the participation of thousands14 and tens of thousands15-16 people,
  • boom Boom
    boom Boom 12 August 2020 12: 27 New
    -1
    Yes, even this was politicized soon, the quick picking of grain or potatoes will be referred to as unparalleled in the world
  • Storekeeper
    Storekeeper 12 August 2020 12: 34 New
    -2
    From the Anglo-Saxons it is not necessary to expect anything else. First of all, being second is insulting. Secondly, so much money was thrown among themselves, everyone quarreled, but there is no result and when the money will be recouped, it is not known if it will be recouped at all !!!!
    It is indicative how many commentators here on VO got out, pouring mud on the vaccine, and at the same time the Russian Federation, and the USSR, and our science and medicine, and the results of the Second World War all they can. They try to work out their 30 pieces of silver.
    I think if the daughter of VVP was really inoculated with her, then the vaccine is quite safe.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 12 August 2020 13: 16 New
    +6
    The vaccine should not be criticized, but investigated, which is what the Israelis are doing.

    Professor Zeev Rothstein, CEO of Jerusalem's Adasa Hospital, told 103FM radio station that Adasa Hospital in Skolkovo is participating in a new study that tests the effectiveness of a vaccine developed in Russia and its safety.

    "I have sensational news for you. The Russian vaccine is real. The Adasa hospital is participating in a new study. We are checking how safe it is and collecting data," said the Adasa CEO.
    1. Operator
      Operator 12 August 2020 13: 42 New
      -8
      First of all, you should pay for the Russian vaccine - from Israel 9 billion 136 million dollars is owed.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 12 August 2020 13: 48 New
        +5
        Quote: Operator
        First of all, you should pay for the Russian vaccine - from Israel 9 billion 136 million dollars is owed.

        Gd will give. hi
        1. Operator
          Operator 12 August 2020 14: 00 New
          -4
          Only if you worship Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin bully
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 12 August 2020 15: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: A. Privalov
      Professor Zeev Rothstein, CEO of Jerusalem's Adasa Hospital, told 103FM radio station that Adasa Hospital in Skolkovo is participating in a new study that tests the effectiveness of a vaccine developed in Russia and its safety.

      You can read the entire article, but the anti-Semites must decide whether or not to get vaccinated.
      "I will tell you a secret," Rothstein said. "The Hadassah hospital is participating in clinical trials of a new Russian vaccine. This is being done in Moscow, in Skolkovo, at the Hadassah hospital. First of all, we check the level of safety, it will take time."
      https://www.timesofisrael.com/israels-hadassah-says-its-involved-in-development-of-russian-covid-19-vaccine/
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 12 August 2020 13: 36 New
    -2
    Putin's announcement of a coronavirus vaccine raises concern among experts
    We know these "experts" whose task it is to criticize and throw mud at everything Russian. Regardless of what area of ​​human achievement. Tomorrow, an "angel" will be born in Russia, or even better, a new "messiah" ( winked ), do not care, mixed with shit, because "Russian".