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Gentlemen "rainbow", hands off our Tchaikovsky!

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Now some readers are going to skyrocket. Where is Voennoye Obozreniye, and where is Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky? What has it to do with, to put it mildly, not the best inclinations?


Patience, dear, patience and patience again.

Literally after a while, everything will become clear and understandable, like a white day.

So, this year, due to the coronavirus, we somehow sidetracked the 180th anniversary of the birth of Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky. A great and brilliant composer, and, as many "sources" claim, a homosexual.


Ten operas, three ballets, seven symphonies, 104 romances, a number of programmatic symphonic works, concerts and chamber instrumental ensembles, choral compositions, cantatas, piano miniatures and piano cycles. The richest legacy, which is now somehow so imperceptibly taken over by all these representatives of LGBT people.

Why is it so ironic? It's simple. I dare to take and state the assertion that Tchaikovsky was not a homosexual. From the word "absolutely".

I will not chew the nonsense that is written in some kind of rainbow on Wikipedia, because there is nonsense written there. Absolutely groundless accusations of "homosexuality" and "suicide on the basis of homosexuality."

The first indictment is entirely based on Tchaikovsky's diary entries. Yes, the composer kept a diary, which was published after his death in the book of his brother, Modest Ilyich Tchaikovsky, “The Life of P.I. Tchaikovsky ". And in 1923 the diaries were published as a separate book in Petrograd.

The diaries tell about the events of the period from June 1873 to May 1891. And do you know what is not there? That's right, stormy confessions. These are actually pretty dry and boring short recordings. And not a word about your feelings, especially for men.

Of course, one can assume that Pyotr Ilyich was encrypted as the god of intelligence. But sorry, that didn't make any sense back then. They were not imprisoned for homosexuality, they were not persecuted, and so on.

But then ... Then it was interesting. All of a sudden, the publishers included in the reprint of the Diaries an article attributed to Tchaikovsky's friend Nikolai Kashkin, which Kashkin supposedly wrote in 1918. "From the memoirs of PI Tchaikovsky."

Tchaikovsky's friend Nikolai Kashkin is a very real person. This is generally my fellow countryman, and his father, Dmitry Kashkin, was the man who opened the first bookstore in Voronezh and provided great support to the novice poet Alexei Koltsov, who later became the same classic as Fet or Tyutchev.

Nikolai Kashkin was a professor at the Moscow Conservatory, a music critic, taught music theory and history.

Gentlemen "rainbow", hands off our Tchaikovsky!

And he left behind memories of Tchaikovsky and Rubinstein.

True, these works were published fairly after his death. In 1954. However, I am sure that there was not a word about Tchaikovsky's homophobic preferences. 1954, I stress it boldly.

You know, if there was anything there, it would be removed without hesitation, and the manuscript burned down, drowned, rats ate and so on. It’s something, but we didn’t just know how to clean up the historical past - they would give a head start to the West.

So I am sure there was nothing so dirty in Kashkin's article. Another question is what to take and add, referring to the "discovered data", in 2000 gentlemen rainbow Masons could easily.

The Kashkin family was a very respectable family, absolutely no twists. Provincial intelligentsia of the highest standard. The first store, the first library with it - these are all of them. What, excuse me, are the metropolitan homo-entertainment? Sorry, province.

So, among everything in his memoirs, Kashkin writes that Tchaikovsky's marriage was a sharp turning point in his life. And she had a huge impact on his future life and work, bringing just a mountain of negativity.

By the way, in the diaries of Pyotr Ilyich - not a word.

But everything is logical here. Who does not know - "Akela missed." Antonina Ivanovna Milyukova was a pretty, bright woman, but ...


Wikipedia writes:

“However, the composer’s homosexuality was the reason that their marriage broke up in a few weeks. Due to various circumstances, the spouses were never able to divorce and lived separately - their marriage remained only on paper ... "

I wonder what are these "different circumstances" due to which it is impossible to divorce? That's right, today it is absolutely certain that Mrs. Milyukova-Tchaikovskaya was ill. Non-aggressive sluggish schizophrenia. Which in 1896 brought her to the clinic of the corresponding profile, where Antonina Ivanovna stayed until her death in 1917.

By the way, this Kashkin indirectly confirms. And the fact that for Tchaikovsky it was a blow. Their pre-wedding relationship lasted about six years and, in the opinion of the entire inner circle, was "complex and difficult." Excuse me, I agree. There is something.

But you know, a genius in music doesn't have to be a genius in a relationship. Proven by many.

Moving on.

In general, the first accusations of Tchaikovsky of homosexuality came from the "girl" Purgold, who noted several stormy letters to Tchaikovsky demanding to marry her. She promised / threatened to commit suicide. In general, she was still a girl, no wonder that Pyotr Ilyich shied away from her like the devil from incense.

Purgold, by the way, remained in history as living with Rimsky-Korsakov and trying to lasso Mussorgsky. In general - bohemia ...

But the main persecution of Tchaikovsky followed from a certain A. A. Orlova, who is actually very much even Schneerson.


It was Alexandra Anatolyevna Schneerson who squeezed an article in the French magazine "Continent" in 1985, where she wrote down Tchaikovsky as gay in detail.

On the basis of certain "letters", which, however, it is worth noting, no one has ever seen or read, and it is impossible to say where and who has them now.

But is this the point? The main thing is that the Russian "researcher" told the world that Tchaikovsky is gay. This is the main thing. And the evidence ...

In short, a test tube with white powder, so that it becomes quite clear. Although we'll come back to white powder, yes.

Letters ... With them everything is "ambiguous". Who wrote to whom ... When ... And in those that really exist, there is nothing like that. Although, it is worth noting that, like any creatively gifted person, Tchaikovsky loved and knew how to write letters. Only his sponsor friend Nadezhda von Meck wrote so much that she had enough for a three-volume book. I wrote to my brother. And to a friend Chekhov.

And it is absolutely stupid, as some contemporaries do today, to paint about the youth of Pyotr Ilyich. About what a vicious institution this very St. Petersburg School of Jurisprudence was ... And that there it was simply impossible to remain a virgin and heterosexual. It's just unrealistic.

It's scary to think, the pupils washed together in the bath! And (probably even more viciously) at the dance lessons we danced in PAIRS !!!

You know, I felt a shiver in my brain. I, being a Suvorov member of the Kalinin Suvorov Military School, at about the same age was involved in the same dirty dealings! We also bathed in the bathhouse by platoon, and yes, we also had ballroom dancing lessons! So good that I can still dance the waltz in the Boar weight category. And it is clear that we danced with each other ...

And what, me and my classmates - we are all a little too ... Tchaikovskys? Come on!

I saw a lot of sites in which Pyotr Ilyich is watered for nothing. Say, instead of doing business, he is half of St. Petersburg ... The lists are getting longer and longer, the people in the next world are turning more and more.

Except for jokes, when was Tchaikovsky to misbehave?

Since 1866, Pyotr Ilyich has been a professor at the Moscow Conservatory. Teaches. Ah, there are all such students ... Okay.

Let's just look at the list of premieres of those years.

"Voevoda" - 1869
"Ondine" - 1869
Romeo and Juliet - 1869
The Snow Maiden - 1873
"Oprichnik" - 1874
"Blacksmith Vakula" - 1876
The Seasons (cycle of pieces for piano) - 1876
Swan Lake - 1877

Three Symphonies (1866, 1872 and 1875), First Piano Concerto (1875).

And "A Guide to the Practical Study of Harmony" (1871) - the first Russian textbook for conservatories, written by a Russian author. And that's not all. I'm not a specialist in Tchaikovsky's work, but it's clear that this is WORK. Huge, requiring tension, skill, time.

Let's think about it, really. Come up with, write, act out, correct, paint the score, play with the musicians, rehearse ...

And also Pyotr Ilyich ... conducted. Orchestras that performed HIS works. In Germany, Austria-Hungary, Great Britain, Switzerland, France, USA.

Honestly, what kind of sex at all under such loads? Okay, moving at that time took a lot of time. But, by the way, in his official letters, which do not need to be proven, Pyotr Ilyich informed his brother and friends that he was calming the rampage of hormones by visiting brothels. And I didn’t make any special secrets from such visits. You can't hide an awl in a bag, as they say.

As well as not concealing other inclinations. Some modern scribblers go so far as to start to wonder. They publish such lists of Tchaikovsky's lovers that you just don't understand when he did everything. And the opposite also happens. As, for example, they wrote down the “comrades-in-arms” of the “Romanov family, mired in vices”.

I will not advertise, but our "fighters for truth" recorded Tchaikovsky as a lover ... to Romanov! Grand Duke Konstantin Konstantinovich, with the light hand of Orlova-Shneerson, went, and ours took it. Well, of course, not only the great composer can be cheated, but at the same time with the grandson of Tsar Nicholas the First!

Wake up, as they say, shoulder!

Konstantin Konstantinovich Romanov, who headed the Russian Academy of Sciences for thirty years, the founder of the Moscow Conservatory. Konstantin Romanov was known as a poet who wrote under the kryptonym K.R., playwright (the play "King of the Jews" was translated into 19 languages), translator of "Hamlet", actor, musician and composer.

Tchaikovsky wrote several romances on his poems: “I Opened the Window”, “The Lights in the Room were Already Extinguished”, “First Date”, “Serenade”.

How about that for you? Photo of Grand Duke Konstantin Konstantinovich Romanov with his family. Not bad for Tchaikovsky's lover, isn't it?


Well, how can such a person not spit accusations of homosexuality, right?

Orlova-Schneerson spat, and the rest spat. Having come up with a fairy tale about the fact that the tsar himself, having learned about the connection between Konstantin Romanov and Pyotr Tchaikovsky, ordered the latter to commit suicide. There is no dispute, Alexander Alexandrovich was not just cool, but he would hardly have sunk to this level.

In any case, the accusation of Romanov the Emperor of involvement in bringing Tchaikovsky to suicide is as stupid as anything else. It doesn't matter for the connection with Konstantin Romanov or the nephew of Count Stenbrok-Fermor.

The same nonsense as the "court of honor", which allegedly took place in 1893 and at which Tchaikovsky was allegedly ordered to take his own life by poisoning himself with arsenic. And even playing cholera.

Yes, the symptoms of cholera are similar to those of arsenic poisoning, but ... If there was such a trial, then why did he only solicit Tchaikovsky? Why did they not judge the Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich Romanov, who was bluer than the May sky and did not hide it completely? And Prince Vladimir Meshchersky? AND…

There were so many homosexuals in the Russian Empire, like in any other country. It is not clear why they only got mad at Tchaikovsky.

In general, there was no trial. A fairy tale invented by Schneerson.

And how many people witnessed how Tchaikovsky drank that very unboiled water ... How Pyotr Ilyich died from cholera caused by water ...


And now to the answer to the question asked at the very beginning.

Here recently in Russia there was a nationwide vote on the Constitution ... Including on the issue of protecting history. It was? It was.

Here, in fact, we are defending. From Schneerson.

It is clear that in the 80s - 90s of the last century, when impunity and lawlessness began, representatives of the LGBT community could not help but take advantage of this. And they took advantage of it. Spitting on our historical personalities, often representing our cultural heritage, and what's ours - the world, has taken on an unprecedented scale.

Of course, any Western tycoon of the LGBT business (and it should not be called anything else) is pleased to enroll such a person as Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky in its ranks. “Our regiment has arrived,” something like that.

Meanwhile, I will now say one controversial and provocative thing.

Whether Pyotr Tchaikovsky was gay or not is irrelevant. He created magic music that will outlive him for several hundred years. And it's not that he was so famous and could afford it. The fact is that he was Tchaikovsky. Just like Reginald Kenneth Dwight became Elton John and Frederick Bulsara became Freddie Mercury.

And everything is quite clear with them, but does this devalue their contribution to world culture?

But Tchaikovsky, who was not a homosexual, who was just a genius person with his own weaknesses, which were expressed in the fact that he could not always behave like an ordinary man in the street, is he more or less valuable from this?

After all, many believed. Just because they were interested in believing in his gay orientation. For what, it is not entirely clear.

For thirty years there has been a shameful and ugly tale about a gay composer. It grows, multiplies, gets fat. Websites are thriving and no one is shutting them down. And he will not close. Not as they say, the rose blossomed. And they will continue to flourish.

After all, it is much more interesting, of course, to tell how many people Pyotr Tchaikovsky got fucked than to thoughtfully realize how many masterpieces he created. Or listen to these masterpieces.

So this little historical detective is just a civic duty under the Constitution. Protecting our historical cultural heritage.

Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky was not gay. Alas, for the entire global LGBT community and dirt lovers of all levels. He was an "g", but a genius. An ingenious composer of a romantic direction, who was not very lucky with his personal life. Joseph Haydn's personal life did not work out either, but this is absolutely no reason to write him down as gay.

Genius is the kind of thing you have to pay for. So they paid, who with what. However, this is not a reason for accusations.

And the last thing. In our age of an abundance of information, varying degrees of staleness and even frankly unpleasantly stinking, the main thing is to remain human and not let yourself be screwed up. And it doesn't matter whose music will sound: Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker or Innuendo from Queen.
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 11 August 2020 10: 04 New
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    Tchaikovsky and made a fagot. Well, don’t pi ... homosexual?
    1. Pavel73
      Pavel73 11 August 2020 10: 18 New
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      That's not the point. The abomination of modern n .... owls is not that they are n .... sy, but that they are not ashamed of it, they consider it normal and even propagandize. If I have a fagot in front of me, but he is ashamed of it, does not flaunt it, and tries to fight it, then for me he is not a fag, but a normal person.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 11 August 2020 10: 58 New
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        The abomination of modern n .... owls is not that they are n .... sy, but that they are not ashamed of it, they consider it normal and even propagandize.

        No matter how they outwardly demonstrate superiority, internally they are well aware of their own inferiority. All their propaganda is aimed at smearing normal people by hanging the label of latent p ... sa and looking more decent themselves against their background.
        They have achieved some success. I know homophiles (at the same time physiologically normal) who cited Tchaikovsky as an example to me, as an example of a respected sodomite.
        1. Ilya-spb
          Ilya-spb 11 August 2020 12: 05 New
          10
          Here are homosexuals .... The author of the article - respect !!!

          We urgently need to revise the biographies of all famous people who are credited with LGBT inclination!
          1. cost
            cost 11 August 2020 23: 38 New
            +9
            Why spend there. Apart from the letters that A. Schneerson refers to, and which no one has ever seen against Pyotr Ilyich, there are no accusations. There are no originals or copies of these letters. The source where they supposedly may be is not indicated either. Nevertheless, in 1980 on the pages of the New York weekly "New American", whose editor was Sergei Dovlatov, there appeared an article by a certain Alexandra Orlova, who supposedly saw everything with her own eyes. From the book "Jews in the Culture of the Russian Diaspora" we learn that Orlova (Shneerson) Alexandra Anatolyevna, who emigrated to the USA in 1979, is a specialist in "Russian composers of the XNUMXth century."
            It is interesting that in Russia Mrs. Orlova's rich literary experience was only interested in the leader of the yellow press, Moskovsky Komsomolets, who had repeatedly published Orlov's libel. The data in it have no links, are replete with forgeries, and "Orlova claimed that all these facts became known to her from the brother of Alexander Voitov, a graduate of the school of jurisprudence, who, in turn, was told them by the widow of Nikolai Jacobi himself." More precisely, "one grandmother said."
            Here is an example of a typical supposedly “letter”: “28.09.1876/XNUMX/XNUMX to Brother Modest. "Imagine this! The other day I made a trip to the village to see Bulatov, whose house is nothing more than a charming pederastic brothel. Not only was I there, but I fell in love like a cat with his coachman !!! ".
            Anyone familiar with the letters of Pyotr Ilyich will say that the author of this dirty fake did not even bother to adapt his cooking ("like a cat to his coachman !!!") to the composer's style. Not to mention the fact that no one has ever seen the "letter" itself ...
            And here is his real letter to his brother Modest, dated April 6, 1886: “Rain. I went to town. First I got to the Armenian Church, then to the Zion Cathedral. In the first I was struck by the news of the spectacle and the hideous singing; in the second I saw the Exarch and heard him preach. I had breakfast at home with Vasily Vasilyevich .. Then I worked until late .. "Dry, briefly. No worries, reflections, details of his spiritual and personal life. There is not even a line dedicated to intimate life in them
            ... Tchaikovsky was well known both by Chekhov, who had a medical practice, and Tolstoy, who fiercely hated the newfangled Western homosexuals. And none of them said a word or a hint about what modern "researchers" are now talking about.
            That's the whole revision hi
            Well done, Roman, - the right article.
            Best regards
            Dmitriy
      2. depressant
        depressant 11 August 2020 11: 47 New
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        And so I am running, which means that in the morning I am on an intercity bus, in a hurry so as not to be late for work. And the hefty figure of a thoroughbred gray-haired peasant, an obkom worker, dressed in an expensive gray suit, loomed before me. Hearing the knock of my heels, the regional committee worker turned around and said: "And your Tchaikovsky - p ... art." He said and went on to himself.
        I was stunned to the point of speechlessness. Well, okay. In the mid-80s, we, Russians, Abkhazians were robustly spread rot, including massacres. And this "party leader" wanted to humiliate me just because I am Russian. Many years have passed since then, until I assessed the situation. By humiliating our lights, they justified their right to humiliate, insult and even kill us as representatives of an "unworthy" nation. And some more years passed to ask oneself the question: where did that man get such "convenient" information about Tchaikovsky for him? I haven't come across anything like this, but I read a lot, including a huge number of newspapers and magazines. This means that the work to undermine the USSR was carried out in the cultural space, but among the "indigenous". And we, naive Russians, did not know this and were all surprised: where did such a violent outburst of nationalism come from? And I still do not know which of our greats was already then slandered, insulted and humiliated, which means that we are still slandered, insulted and humiliated. Well, isn't there a reason to turn your back on us then and keep doing it now? It seems that the story has no end, but on a global scale.
        1. Pavel73
          Pavel73 11 August 2020 12: 10 New
          +5
          Actually, this is how Ukraine appeared. For a hundred years the Russian people have been taught that they are not Russians, so what do we want from them now? They are enemies. And they themselves decided so long ago.
      3. pereselenec
        pereselenec 12 August 2020 22: 34 New
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        Quote: Pavel73
        That's not the point. The abomination of modern n .... owls is not that they are n .... sy, but that they are not ashamed of it, they consider it normal and even propagandize. If I have a fagot in front of me, but he is ashamed of it, does not flaunt it, and tries to fight it, then for me he is not a fag, but a normal person.


        It's like that. They climb with their French manicure straight into the national effir.


    2. Civil
      Civil 11 August 2020 11: 19 New
      -16
      A very topical article, there were no homosexuals among the Great People of Russia, there is no homosexuality in Russia. Look how the Reich did with rear-wheel drive. It is necessary to amend the Constitution to prohibit not only homosexuality, but also sexual intercourse without marriage, the prohibition of sexual intercourse during religious fasts. Violators to punish according to Sharia law.
      1. fax66
        fax66 11 August 2020 13: 42 New
        +1
        Civilian (vadim), you are very witty (((
      2. Lontus
        Lontus 11 August 2020 19: 18 New
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        Quote: Civil
        It is necessary to amend the Constitution to prohibit not only homosexuality, but also sexual intercourse without marriage, the prohibition of sexual intercourse during religious fasts. Violators to punish according to Sharia law.

        What a wretched attempt at sarcasm.
        You are not an ethnic "liberal" with downgraded genitals?
        They are very typical of such stereotyped crafts, which for some reason they consider sparkling creativity.
    3. qQQQ
      qQQQ 11 August 2020 14: 05 New
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      Quote: NEXUS
      Well, do not pi ... homosexual?

      “What is the noise outside, Barrymore?”
      “This is a gay parade, sir.”
      “And what do they demand, Barrymore?”
      “Same-sex love, sir.”
      - Does anyone forbid them?
      “No sir.”
      “So why are they still making noise?”
      - Pi ... sir.
  2. Woodman
    Woodman 11 August 2020 10: 08 New
    +7
    Prescribe a laxative to them. Yes, more. So that they knew why a person ... hmm ... And they did not toil with foolishness.
  3. Maks1995
    Maks1995 11 August 2020 10: 13 New
    +5
    Yes, there is such an opinion. And yes, rather stupid.

    I ought to listen to someone from the pros. Music sources.
    It is a pity that all these rosy people have gathered in Moscow, near TV and the Kremlin, and nothing can be done with them. Untouchable.
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 11 August 2020 10: 22 New
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      Quote: Max1995
      I ought to listen to someone from the pros.

      On these lines, it became anxious, who are we going to listen to on VO? belay
      Quote: Max1995
      Music sources.

      But this is normal, let's listen yes
    2. Lontus
      Lontus 11 August 2020 19: 21 New
      +5
      Quote: Max1995
      It is a pity that all these rosy people have gathered in Moscow, near TV and the Kremlin, and nothing can be done with them. Untouchable.

      not "about", but "in".
      And don't touch the rainbow. It does not belong to the clayweed. As well as blue.
      Don't help them.
      1. Mikhail m
        Mikhail m 12 August 2020 08: 10 New
        +2
        The swastika also does not belong to the fascists, however ... Art. 20.3 Administrative Code of the Russian Federation
  4. akunin
    akunin 11 August 2020 10: 23 New
    +2
    Whether Pyotr Tchaikovsky was gay or not is irrelevant. He created magic music that will outlive him for several hundred years. And it's not that he was so famous and could afford it. The fact is that he was Tchaikovsky. Just like Reginald Kenneth Dwight became Elton John and Frederick Bulsara became Freddie Mercury.

    the whole article was written for the sake of this paragraph? if gays have an itch, and to hell with him. any normal person perceives Tchaikovsky as a great Russian composer. I am interested in his music, not sex life, but to compare Tchaikovsky with bulsara and dwight ... not of that scale stuffed cabbage.
  5. Free wind
    Free wind 11 August 2020 10: 37 New
    -10
    Why all this scribbling, I do not understand, the author, in principle, is not bad, but there is such a squiggle. Has the situation changed? I honestly say violet, s the orientation of this or that figure. How often do you see a representative of minorities, with a dominant piano, with tattoos of Nutcracker notes on a skinny chest, and a flag with the image of Tchaikovsky on, for some reason, it is considered a rainbow background. I have never heard of that. How many Gaykhlops. they generally know who P.I. Chaikovsky? I had a better opinion of the author.
  6. AleBors
    AleBors 11 August 2020 10: 46 New
    +5
    Very correct article. And on the case. I never believed in the blueness of the great Russian composer. It's just that rear-wheel drive is trying to cling to the glory of a genius ... And justify their rear-wheel drive ...
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 11 August 2020 10: 54 New
      +7
      Quote: AleBors
      Very correct article. And on the case. I never believed in the blueness of the great Russian composer. It's just that rear-wheel drive is trying to cling to the glory of a genius ... And justify their rear-wheel drive ...

      Right. Two sisters molested Tchaikovsky one by one. Already in exile, in order to earn a living, they wrote nasty things. There was a student at Tchaikovsky, a failed genius. For some, perhaps this has become a reason for gossip. good correct article. Dirty Tchaikovsky to dirty Russia.
      1. depressant
        depressant 11 August 2020 12: 52 New
        +1
        Our culture is across the values ​​of liberalism. Who is to blame and what to do. Painfully conscientious culture. Capitalism under the guise of liberalism and conscience are incompatible. Even there, even with us. He, capitalism, is important: legal or illegal. And if it is illegal, we will achieve that the muck becomes legal. And they are doing! Liberalism is riding on democracy. And we understand everything in our own way. Our law must be based on conscience. It does not work - capitalism! So we need to be slandered. This is so that no one is indignant when they decide that we need to be destroyed.
  7. Temnukhin Anton
    Temnukhin Anton 11 August 2020 10: 50 New
    -15
    It is strange that having not just a hot, but a fiery topic of news from the fraternal republic, we are here discussing the orientation of the long-dead composer ...
    1. begemot20091
      begemot20091 11 August 2020 11: 29 New
      +6
      And for me - it's better to listen to Tchaikovsky than to listen to ?????? fraternal republic. I lived and served in one brotherly Ukrainian belay Remembering is sickening. As from the 90s suffered. They remembered everything to me: even Batu.
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 11 August 2020 12: 06 New
      +1
      there everything is already coming to an end
  8. Operator
    Operator 11 August 2020 10: 58 New
    +6
    Shurka Schneerson was a Soviet Jewish musicologist and in 1979 made her feet on her "historical homeland", but ended up in the United States. After that, she began to publish in the emigre press lampoons on Russian composers, including Tchaikovsky, referring to some of his letters that no one had ever seen.

    Since 1992, Shneersonshi's libels have been regularly published by the gay flagship of the Russian media, Moskovsky Komsomolets.
  9. Alexander X
    Alexander X 11 August 2020 11: 28 New
    +9
    Who are the representatives of LGBT people - creatures, in essence, mentally abnormal and physically handicapped. In other words, psychos and, due to their mental illness, do not produce offspring, and therefore meaningless for the species. How do they treat psychos? They are treated, and if a cure is impossible and the individual is aggressive, they are isolated in hospitals ...
    LGBT people are already aggressive, for they are actively promoting their sick fantasies. Since they are aggressive and do not cure well, then they should be isolated and treated forcibly until cured.
  10. Odysseus
    Odysseus 11 August 2020 11: 28 New
    +7
    Good article. In general, I agree with the conclusions of the author.
    But there is still one significant error. They can find fault with her. Gays were persecuted in RI.
    Articles 1293 and 1294 of the Penal Code. For example, 1293.
    1293. Exposed in the unnatural vice of sodomy, is exposed for this: deprivation of all right of state and exile to Siberia for settlement, and if it is not legally exempt from punishment of the hardy, and punishment by lashes in the middle of the second burned punishment of this kind.
    Moreover, if he is a Christian, then he is given over to church rest by the order of his spiritual superiors.
    Another thing is that the antics of the aristocrats were condescending. That is, the situation with this issue was a little similar to the one that is now (when all "elites are fighting" against the bad influence of LGBT people, while indulging in it themselves). True, the degree of the elites' involvement with this vice is different. Now, alas, more.
  11. Fedorovich
    Fedorovich 11 August 2020 11: 30 New
    +7
    And Mussorgsky was drinking! (C)
    Even if for some reason we admit that Tchaikovsky was gay, this is not why he is remembered at all. This is not some Elton John, about whom there is nothing more to say ...
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  13. ccsr
    ccsr 11 August 2020 12: 22 New
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    Author:
    Roman Skomorokhov
    It was Alexandra Anatolyevna Schneerson who squeezed an article in the French magazine "Continent" in 1985, where she wrote down Tchaikovsky as gay in detail.

    Thanks to the author for an interesting article that reveals many aspects of this provocation of supporters of the LGBT community. It remains only to find out who this madam is, and what she is - I hope the author will unearth this too. Good luck to him. I will definitely give a link to this article on the For the Truth forum.
  14. Sfurei
    Sfurei 11 August 2020 12: 36 New
    0
    Roman, thanks for the detailed article !! Very interesting and instructive !! good
  15. sleeve
    sleeve 11 August 2020 12: 37 New
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    Thank you, Roman. We will work in this direction. Or maybe it makes sense to shake up the stable historical patterns.
  16. Tank hard
    Tank hard 11 August 2020 13: 40 New
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    Interesting article from Roman.
  17. nikvic46
    nikvic46 11 August 2020 14: 00 New
    +1
    At all times, there were people who wanted to lower the genius to their level, and if they succeed lower. Pushkin wrote about this in response to malicious slander. "He is the same as we are. He is vile as we are."
    1. depressant
      depressant 11 August 2020 16: 00 New
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      It seems to me, a colleague of nikvic46, a lot has changed since the time of Pushkin. The scale is now international! "They are not like us. They are disgusting in comparison to us." They are about us. And, you know, I'm not surprised. Since 1992, an anti-people policy has been pursued in the country. We endure, we understand everything, we enter the position of power, we are ready to forgive her for any mistakes and quickly agree that these are not mistakes at all, but achievements. We are not demanding of the government, but it is demanding of us, and very soon we will feel when a whole package of new laws on amendments is finalized - then we will feel how condescending to itself and demanding of us at a new stage of our life. We will feel and endure. Mysterious Russian souls. So why don’t foreigners kick us for our innate nobility, for our ineradicable faith in the best, for unrealizable, fading hopes, for our naivety, if our government is doing this with impunity?
  18. serg v zapase
    serg v zapase 11 August 2020 14: 03 New
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    About 15 years ago, I read about the study of the accounting department of the PMCh estate. The most curious fact was cited there - there were much more female servants than needed. True, the age composition was not given, but as they say: highlighted like.
  19. iouris
    iouris 11 August 2020 14: 18 New
    +1
    Some kind of unfinished article. It remains for the author to throw a bridge to homosexual relationships within the military collective. And with specific examples ...
  20. Anachoret
    Anachoret 11 August 2020 14: 29 New
    +4
    Dear Roman Skomorokhov,
    in general, the article is good and relevant, but it also has nuances.
    Trying to shield the undeservedly slandered Tchaikovsky, you, without noticing it yourself, have become like the same schemer Schneerson in search of sensations, scandals and investigations.
    it's about "
    ... Why did they not judge the Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich Romanov, who was bluer than the May sky and did not completely hide it? "

    Do you have hard facts or did he personally tear up your great-grandfather's stable? Again, all the same arguments in the style of "widely known - wrote the author twenty minutes later, as it became known to him."
    Where is the proof?
    References to the offended Prince Sandro, who threw mud at everyone who was higher than him in the "table of ranks" in the style of "sodomites pissed off all polymers" or all sorts of secular gossips in the spirit of the same Schneerson?
    You must understand that at the time of his death, Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich was the fourth in the list of official heirs to the throne, right after the Emperor, his wife and Tsarevich. Moreover, his Jewish brothers disliked him for tightening the observance of the laws "on the zone of settlement." And he strained the Moscow industrialists so that their surpluses were directed to improving the working and living conditions of ordinary workers and their families. In general, he had many "well-wishers", moreover, from not the best representatives of Russian society, to put it mildly.
    In addition, the Grand Duke took care of and invested his own funds in the construction of theaters, schools, museums and expanded the technical capabilities of educational institutions, contributed to the creation of the first trade unions in Russia. And his wife took care of the poor and orphans from the Khitrovsky market. In a word, "the most disgusting couple."
    But neither industrialists with Jews, nor British intelligence, even feeding the open sodomite and traitor Prince Yusupov, could dig up anything defamatory and reprehensible on them. I will repeat myself. They didn't find anything.
    The only argument in the evidence base for the "homosexuality" of the Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich was that he and his wife were childless. Was there childlessness? Or is it an oversight of the British special services, where and why the family disappeared for a long time in Franzensbad (1895-1896). Have you been treated for infertility or have you had childbirth?
    There are other questions ...
    Why do not all daughters of Emperor Nicholas II look like their parents? Someone can be replaced?
    Who then is Martha Pobedonostseva and where are her descendants in reality?


    In any case, I advise you not to be like any "Schneerson" and not to throw mud at the Romanov family without irrefutable evidence.
    This is not Gref and Avakov. These are people of other spiritual and life principles.
    Best regards
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 13 August 2020 12: 45 New
      -1
      Quote: Anchorite
      This is not Gref and Avakov. These are people of other spiritual and life principles.

      Do you mean the story of the French prostitutes who cost the Russian treasury more than an armadillo? laughing
      1. Anachoret
        Anachoret 13 August 2020 16: 04 New
        -1
        Nowadays, the hidden factor of prostitutes sinks at least a nuclear cruiser annually) (more precisely, they don't even bother to build it)
        The names listed above are mentioned in the context of the general topic of the article, let's say. And their pottery interests are carefully hidden for the sake of a career behind the screen of marriages of convenience and children.))
        And referring to the topic of spending money and indulging in their profligacy, Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich certainly was not noticed in this topic)
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 13 August 2020 16: 14 New
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          Quote: Anchorite
          And referring to the topic of spending money and indulging in their profligacy, Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich certainly was not noticed in this topic)

          Specifically in "this topic" it may not have been noticed, but even without it there was enough for these "people of other spiritual and life principles" to lift the pitchfork, which was successfully done. yes
          1. Anachoret
            Anachoret 13 August 2020 22: 41 New
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            Who was who and who was who, we do not know for certain)
            Many are twisted, distorted and turned upside down.
            Even the modest hints of the head of the FSB Bortnikov a couple of years ago about the need to shed some light on those events raised a fierce stench from the highbrow liberals) the truth will be too inconvenient)
            After all, no one still gives an answer who the brothers "Lenin" were: Nikolai (a British spy and a real "leader of the revolution and author of essays") and his sick brother Vladimir with a developmental delay from Simbirsk. Everything is on the surface.
            Stalin's real name and surname can generally turn the idea of ​​the world among modern technological hypozhors) By the way, the pseudonym "Stalin" is an anagram to his real surname.
            There will be many answers not only to those events, but also to what is happening today in world politics and economics.
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 13 August 2020 23: 12 New
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              Quote: Anchorite
              Many are twisted, distorted and turned upside down.

              and two or three times! yes
              Quote: Anchorite
              After all, no one still gives an answer who the "Lenin" brothers were: Nikolai (British spy and real "leader of the revolution and author of works")

              you and Wrangel are not beguiled? it's like he was brought on a British battleship and not Ulyanov wink and who are these "Lenin brothers"? belay
              Quote: Anchorite
              By the way, the pseudonym "Stalin" is an anagram to his real name.

              Dzhugashvili?!? belay
              Quote: Anchorite
              There will be many answers not only to those events, but also to what is happening today in world politics and economics.

              not really in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" ??? belay
            2. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 14 August 2020 21: 58 New
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              Quote: Anchorite
              The pseudonym "Stalin" is an anagram to his real name.
              There will be many answers not only to those events, but also to what is happening today in world politics and economics.

              Oh, freshly pulled - for a long time such funny tovarischi did not drop in. fellow wassat
              And yes, come back often, because a good mood is very, very valuable. yes
  21. sandra
    sandra 11 August 2020 14: 52 New
    -8
    I'm curious, but what, someone has an acute pain if the great composer was gay? Actually, apparently, he was bisexual, not gay. I personally do not care who he slept with, I like his music. By the way, about the province, "where it could not be, not the capital," then with a certain sexual orientation they are born, and do not learn it. It doesn't matter where, homosexuals and bisexuals are born with their orientation, even in a remote Muslim village in Kazakhstan, even in the auls of the republics of the North Caucasus, even though they are killed there for the "wrong" orientation. But judging by the hatred of LGBT people splashing in the article, the author would have killed Tchaikovsky, if he lived today and admitted to the "wrong" sexual orientation. The stamps and stereotypes are solid.
    1. Anachoret
      Anachoret 11 August 2020 17: 01 New
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      I have heard this tale "about those born like this" many times, but in my life I have come across many of them among the creative bohemians, and among officials of various levels, and among entrepreneurs, and have not met any of those described by you. Saying "met many times", I will give an example that I worked for more than a year in the UN Population Fund program (UNFPA) and among the responsibilities was to meet and communicate (question in detail) with prostitutes in different regions, including the so-called MSM (men who provide sexual services to men).
      Firstly, there are much fewer of them than they talk about themselves so loudly (maximum, 2-3 percent, and certainly not 10-15).
      Secondly, I would divide them into three categories conditionally. I write what I observed about men (I will not judge girls, not in courses)
      1) The result of childhood psychological trauma (victim of violence by adults or peers, including raising a boy in the spirit of a girl). Children do not have a hard sense of gender and their frames are easy to move. Someone would argue, but it's no secret that some dads-football players try to retrain their children from childhood on the left foot, since left-handers get more according to stereotypes. Also with the sex education of the child.
      2) Prostitution for a career. When lured as an adult. (Let's go to the sauna, you will be so small, and already deputy dean, deputy head or department head, etc.). This category is the most aggressive, because then they spoil the lives of other young people only in the same way.
      3) This is when you have already tried everything and I don't know what else to wish for, and if under cocaine it is so in general, the scope of psychological barriers can move (even a pig may seem like an ardent mistress there), and a man even more so.
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard 11 August 2020 21: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: Sandra
      Actually, apparently, he was bisexual

      Personally seen?
      1. cost
        cost 13 August 2020 19: 53 New
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        Sandra:Actually, apparently, he was bisexual.

        He was actually a composer
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  23. Polente the Wanderer
    Polente the Wanderer 11 August 2020 15: 53 New
    +4
    Why can't Roman or someone who can edit the pages on Wikipedia correct them? Military review is read by a few, and Wikipedia is viewed by millions, including children.

    "View page code Tchaikovsky, Pyotr Ilyich
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    The Tchaikovsky family believed that Tchaikovsky had his first homosexual experience at school at the age of 13 with his classmate. "
    1. Shilka
      Shilka 11 August 2020 21: 18 New
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      Quote: Wanderer Polente
      Why can't Roman or someone who can edit the pages on Wikipedia correct them? Military review is read by a few, and Wikipedia is viewed by millions, including children.

      This is called propaganda! Whoever Tchaikovsky was in his personal life But HE is a great composer !!! , but he did not advertise it and did not show it, as some here try to show it and try to earn dubious authority and money on this ..
      I’m already looking at a blue theme, heh heh laughing
      Soon he will switch to Peter the Great, relying on))) And I will not be surprised if Stalin will be taken on the instructions of some "customers" ..
      Eh Roma Skomorokhov, the stew ruined you ..)))) And they set you up .. hi
      What have you reached already here, already started waving the rainbow flag .. Ugh damn
  24. tank64rus
    tank64rus 11 August 2020 16: 28 New
    +3
    The homosexuals have one goal for all the geniuses of humanity to enroll in their ranks. How and how is not important. Then let them try to wash themselves. Especially the dead.
    1. Lontus
      Lontus 11 August 2020 19: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: tank64rus
      The homosexuals have one goal for all the geniuses of humanity to enroll in their ranks. How and how is not important. Then let them try to wash themselves. Especially the dead.

      just like the Gavleis.
      No wonder they are often mentioned together
      1. Shilka
        Shilka 11 August 2020 21: 27 New
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        Quote: Lontus
        just like the Gavleis.
        No wonder they are often mentioned together

        There, in Israel, same-sex marriages have been allowed for a long time, etc.
        Here is the article here, too, urges, WHAT IT WOULD BE IN RUSSIA .. Ugh, damn it, my heart ached ..
    2. cniza
      cniza 11 August 2020 20: 39 New
      +5
      Quote: tank64rus
      The homosexuals have one goal for all the geniuses of humanity to enroll in their ranks. How and how is not important. Then let them try to wash themselves. Especially the dead.


      Otherwise, they will not justify their existence, so the miserable ones rest against, and so under the bench and not talk ...
  25. Old26
    Old26 11 August 2020 16: 29 New
    +3
    Quote: Lesovik
    Prescribe a laxative to them. Yes, more. So that they knew why a person ... hmm ... And they did not toil with foolishness.

    And you are a sadist, my friend. You can get by with green plums, green apples, or whatever causes diarrhea laughing Another laxative to spend on them ...
  26. Shilka
    Shilka 11 August 2020 21: 24 New
    -2
    Roman is able to raise the mood here on VOI .. Soon he will take up Stalin in the same path! laughing
    I really don't know what to expect ..
  27. Harry cuper
    Harry cuper 11 August 2020 22: 24 New
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    And then Roman suffered ... Well, what's the difference whether Tchaikovsky was a homosexual or not? Roma and VO, are you completely stupid? Pyotr Ilyich will remain for centuries with his music, not his sexual orientation. Deafs you are the king of heaven !!!
    1. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 12 August 2020 23: 16 New
      +1
      And what are the claims to Roman?
      There was a fact of libel against the name of Genius, Roman refutes it.
      Can you object?
      The genius will remain a genius, but personally I am pleased that he was a normal man.
      You probably don't. So who is the boob here?
      1. Harry cuper
        Harry cuper 13 August 2020 11: 12 New
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        Sure I can. I do not care what orientation PI Tchaikovsky was. From the word at all. All conversations on this topic, especially about a long-dead person - grandmother's gossip on the bench at the entrance. To talk about the preferences of Tchaikovsky (as well as of any other person) is low baseness. What pleases you - I don't care either. Boob - you. hi
  28. Sakmagon
    Sakmagon 12 August 2020 00: 05 New
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    Fine! A big plus!
    Well, after all, maybe when he wants!
  29. Maximillian von Adelheid
    Maximillian von Adelheid 12 August 2020 11: 55 New
    -1
    Funny ...
    But, where does the sexual desire?
    "To each his own!" (c) History.
    But, I already see the battles of "hetero" -byvanov with the slogans: "I am for the missionary position", the enemy chants - "She is from above!", The other yells - "Pose number 7 !!!", another crowd: "69 is anti-religious !!! ", and few are chanting - I am for" Cunnilingus! ", and in the remainder -" You can cum in your mouth (lipstick will not suffer) "...
    The bed is a personal matter. But only the poor are able to publicly advertise their interests.
  30. igorra
    igorra 12 August 2020 13: 47 New
    +1
    I covered up a great man and became famous for this. So we remember these by name. And according to the mind, to exalt down to the descendants, so that when voicing the surname - and you are not a son, daughter, grandson of the one who blasphemed.
  31. Outsider
    Outsider 12 August 2020 14: 23 New
    -1
    Was this wonderful anecdote already here?
    The Armenian radio is asked the question:
    - Is it true that Tchaikovsky was a homosexual?
    - True, - the Armenian radio answers, - but we love him not only for that!
  32. Outsider
    Outsider 12 August 2020 14: 30 New
    -1
    - Little son came to his father, and said the little one: "Pissing in pussy is good! Pissing in the ass is bad!" lol
  33. tech3030
    tech3030 12 August 2020 16: 37 New
    0
    Bring back the rainbow pi..arasy!
  34. sergo1914
    sergo1914 12 August 2020 22: 42 New
    +1
    Why did they attack composers and singers? You will take a closer look at the local moderators. I used to think that the bottom is the football referees. But VO casts doubt on this belief.
  35. Vlad.by
    Vlad.by 12 August 2020 23: 10 New
    +1
    Bravo, Roman!
    Thanks for the stuff!
    Somehow I tried to find and read "incriminating" letters myself, there was a doubt ...
    I did not find letters, only some evidence that "a friend of a brother-in-law's sister-in-law heard from a brother-in-law of a neighbor's relative"
    Well, Schneerson is no comment.
  36. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 13 August 2020 01: 14 New
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    I fully support the respected Roman Skomorokhov, I would like to add that they are trying to denigrate S Yesenin, who had many children and wives and never had homosexual relationships,
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 14 August 2020 22: 02 New
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      Quote: vladimir1155
      try to denigrate S Yesenin,

      belay Who dared this and when? am
  37. Darek
    Darek 13 August 2020 16: 21 New
    +3
    And I was all tormented!
    No, I never believed in Pyotr Ilyich's "blueness". And I didn't even doubt it. And, when I began to study this issue, I immediately came across the level of sources from the series "one woman said." I was interested in something else. And why would a musicologist, with such a noble surname Orlov, need all this? And Madame, it turns out, Schneerson! Oops!
    All. Thanks to the author. The puzzle is complete.
    1. Liam
      Liam 13 August 2020 16: 26 New
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      Quote: Darek
      And I was all tormented

      Quote: Darek
      The puzzle has formed


      Two psychos are sitting in the ward. One says to another:
      - Guess the riddle: starts with "la", ends with gushka?
      - Tank!
      - You knew! You knew!

      fellow
  38. Suraikin.Aleksandr
    Suraikin.Aleksandr 14 August 2020 02: 06 New
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    Of course, one can assume that Pyotr Ilyich was encrypted as the god of intelligence. But sorry, that didn't make any sense back then. They were not imprisoned for homosexuality, they were not persecuted, and so on.
    Honestly, after this phrase, the readiness to take the article at least a little seriously, it just faded away at the moment, the author simply does not know what he is writing about! An article for sodomy was in the code of laws of the Russian Empire. A person convicted of sodomy was subject to punishment with whips, deprivation of all rights, wealth and exile to Siberia for settlement! Naturally, it was customary to turn a blind eye to representatives of the higher nobility, and especially representatives of the ruling houses with a similar vice. But at least if a person is not completely stupid, then he himself would not speak publicly about his homosexuality in the Russian Empire in the second half of the 19th century!
    By the way, in the rainbow Wikipedia, in the appendix to the article about Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky, there is a bibliographic list, on the basis of which all this is written there. Well, if the author is such a specialist in the biography of Tchaikovsky and can correctly argue everything with references to primary sources, he would edit Wikipedia, and not splash out his stream of emotions here. The author is engaged in the rut of Tchaikovsky's biography according to his ideas about him.
  39. ermak124.0
    ermak124.0 14 August 2020 13: 02 New
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    Great article! Bravo!!! Pid ... ov he..om on the forehead!
  40. Zum
    Zum 17 August 2020 22: 27 New
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    The trouble of modern society, in the complete absence of ethical restrictions ........ peoples of different countries have ceased to be such .... turning into a bunch of marginalized people ...