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Our dear Leonid Ilyich!

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Our dear Leonid Ilyich!

No reason not to remember



It is not possible to guess any date for this text. And it was created largely on the basis of several publications in social networks. Where emotions and even some stretching are allowed. If only without rudeness.

Let us consider the victory of the "dad" in the presidential elections in Belarus as a reason. Alexander Lukashenko is the last of the true heirs of the Soviet era, who manages to prevent his native republic from sliding into the "Maidan" or worse.

It is unlikely that anyone would dispute the fact that the first leaders of the new states that were created on the ruins of the Union did not grow from Gorbachev, but rather from Brezhnev.

Leonid Ilyich himself at one time did and, in my opinion, did everything in his power for the prosperity of the Union and its 280 million population. Prosperity, of course, there were great difficulties, but the fact that many now remember that time with nostalgia, you must agree, is indicative.

A few days before the death of the secretary general, my wife and I visited the quiet, cozy Novozybkov, Bryansk region, for the anniversary of her grandmother. Omitting the details, let me remind you quite a bit. First, Baba Ksenia's portrait of the Soviet leader happily coexisted with family photographs, including front-line photographs, as well as with icons.

And this never bothered anyone. This is because under the communists people were afraid of everything. This, sorry, is unlikely: my grandmother had four sons, three of whom were members of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, and no one even thought to put them on the surface for such freethinking of the mother.


Secondly, although almost forty years have passed since then, I have never and nowhere, either at home or abroad, tasted anything tastier than those dishes that were put on the table on one of the November days of 1982. They are exposed as simple, poor, what is there to lie and, as it is considered now, downtrodden people from the Russian hinterland.

But we are still being told that during the stagnation there was nothing to get in the USSR. Yes, in Novozybkov they appreciated tea with elephants and sweets from Krasny Oktyabr. But the local cuisine would definitely be envied by the author of the “Book of Tasty and Healthy Food” - the great Pokhlebkin, and Rabelais, and even Ivan Shmelev with his carnivorous scenes from The Summer of the Lord.

And finally, thirdly, how did the grandmother, and her middle-aged girlfriends, old women, and numerous relatives know how to have fun? Dances of three Slavic peoples, who have become akin at this crossroads of borders, and dances from almost the whole world, of course, up to the "Gypsy" with an exit.

And also - songs, songs, endless songs in Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian, and ditties, of course, in which, by the way, the general secretary himself was hard hit. This again means that everyone was afraid of everything then, and democracy reigned only in communal kitchens.

Actually, by the day of Brezhnev's death, we had already returned to Moscow and because of mourning did not get to the concert with Pugacheva. Then there was already an anecdote in which the secretary general was called "a petty politician of the era of Alla Pugacheva." But now every biographer of the prima donna considers it his duty to remind that her star rose during the Brezhnev era.

By the way, there were a lot of jokes about Brezhnev then, but the right to become a hero of Soviet jokes had to be earned. And the Soviet jokes are, you see, a brand to match Jewish or stories about Armenian radio.

"We had a great era"


Still, what is the correct name of Eduard Limonov, now deceased, one of his books. And someone on that day, November 10, 1982, had classes in explosives.

Here is just a slightly familiar author from FB recalls:

“… The frost was growing stronger, the hands did not obey and it seemed that this icy torture would never end. Closer to lunchtime, having tumbled into the barracks, we first of all grabbed our numb fingers into the hot radiators and fell silent ...
It was then that it became clear: something in our world, which had not changed for decades, something significant and irreparable had happened ... By the evening it was reported: Brezhnev had died. IN history he entered as a comical old man. Shaking speech, bushy eyebrows, funny parodies. Kisses with communist associates and African dictators. And countless anecdotes.
Meanwhile, the entire international security system, which we are successfully breaking down today, is Brezhnev. The famous Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, from which the Americans decided to withdraw just now, is Brezhnev. Convention on the Prohibition of Chemical and Biological weapons - also Brezhnev.
And also - a peace treaty with Germany, a policy of peaceful coexistence. SALT, START, OSCE. It sounds unusual, but it was largely thanks to Brezhnev that the world did not burn out in a nuclear war, but lasted until our days. I'm not even talking about the fact that if we remember something good from our Soviet times, then these times are not Lenin's and not Stalin's, and not Khrushchev's ... but Brezhnev's. "

It remains to add that Brezhnev not only tamed Richard Nixon, and then a couple of American presidents. Together with Andrey Andreyevich Gromyko, Mr. No, he made tame not only the crowd of leaders of the third world countries, but the entire Non-Aligned Movement as a whole.

Finally, it was under Brezhnev that the Chinese on Damanskoye were given a distinct understanding that we would not give up an inch of our land. It is not worthwhile to expand here on what happened to Damansky then - it still hurts a lot of people. However, the leaders of the Celestial Empire seem to have been brought down from heaven to earth in a very timely manner. And this was enough for a quarter of a century at least.

And under Brezhnev there were BAM and Komsomol construction sites with construction teams. And there was almost complete non-interference of the Central Committee of the CPSU in cultural issues. Under Khrushchev, they ate, and Brezhnev personally gave the go-ahead for the release of films that could be easily recorded as anti-Soviet.

Brezhnev contrived to keep the ideologues-dogmatists headed by Suslov in a black body. Well, they, as if in gratitude, filled the shelves of bookstores with multivolume works of the secretary general. And even if Leonid Ilyich did not write "Tselina" and "Malaya Zemlya" himself, it was published from his own words. And the readers had to compare them not with Lenin's PSS, but with reports at regular party congresses.

And there was also the Moscow Olympics-80, almost disrupted by Western politicians, but for those who saw it, it was definitely the best of all time. Compared to her, the next one in Los Angeles looked more like some kind of provincial circus with a big top with drunken soloists, and this is not the only opinion of the author.

Yes, now it seems that it was under Brezhnev that corruption flourished in the country, and the people drank themselves out of despair. And bureaucratic lawlessness allegedly reigned only under Brezhnev both at the very top and in the housing offices and collective farm offices. And in the army hazing like from those times.

But the beginning of all this was laid earlier, and the victorious army began to decompose just under the dear predecessor Leonid Ilyich. What was the cost of only one reprisal with the Marshal of Victory G.K. Zhukov.

Few will now remember that Brezhnev was a lover of life and a passionate car enthusiast, and until he grew old - a very handsome and imposing man. But everyone knows how sentimental he was, sometimes to the point of indecency, and in old age - greedy for orders and regalia.


What was he really like, "dear Leonid Ilyich"? What do we remember about that time, and what did we completely forget and what did we not know about? ..
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  1. Comrade
    Comrade 12 August 2020 04: 51 New
    54
    What do we remember about that time

    First of all - stability and predictability in everything, as well as confidence in the future. And also the long-lost feeling that you are a citizen of a great country.
    Also, there was no disgusting feeling that you were an object of profit, since today the state is constantly fumbling in your pockets and always inventing ways how to rob you once again under one pretext or another.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 12 August 2020 05: 50 New
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      Quote: Comrade
      First of all - stability and predictability in everything, as well as confidence in the future.

      Happy life. We felt ourselves in a big family, where a person is a friend, comrade and brother. Protection from the arbitrariness of the authorities (at work, in life we ​​did not meet with her), "my police, took care of me", there was no crime in today's understanding request.
      I do not need 100 varieties of sausage with the taste of real sausage, three are enough, "amateur", "doctor" and semi-smoked, but from meat.
      1. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 12 August 2020 11: 24 New
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        Yes! The question of 100 or 300 varieties of sausage is certainly interesting! Do we consume 100 or 300 kinds of animals in sausage? Or, demanding 300 varieties of sausage, we will use other types in addition to pork, beef and horse? Standing for a large assortment of food, you can see what other peoples eat, and they eat caterpillars, worms, grasshoppers, and a delicacy, rotten eggs, and a lot of things. The question is, do we want to eat the entire range of food? Or are certain products closer to us? Well, for example, do we have a lot of palm oil or GMO food lovers? Or do you need to develop a creative approach to products? Like a human meat shop! Rave? But he exists! Internet to help! True, there are dummies of human meat like crab meat from soy. But the process is underway! There was a story on TV where two guys were given human meat to taste. They cut it out from both tasters. Trifle? Maybe. But Overton Windows works wonders! Who from the defenders in 1941 could have imagined that his descendants would want to integrate into the economy of the invaders? But 50 years have passed! Everything went without tanks and planes! Let's remember Kolya from Urengoy.
      2. CSKA
        CSKA 12 August 2020 11: 40 New
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        Quote: Mavrikiy
        there was no crime in today's understanding

        What is this understanding?
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 12 August 2020 12: 42 New
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          Quote: CSKA
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          there was no crime in today's understanding

          What is this understanding?

          In understanding: drunken KOZs in cars at a speed of 150 km did not drive around cities and did not press passengers at stops. The drunks did not dance at the ICD. They didn't shoot at night, not only in the air. They didn't walk the streets with knives (also a violation). I'm not talking about a firearm. Children and people did not disappear. Few? This is only a part of what is now and what was not, son. request
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 12 August 2020 15: 08 New
            -7
            Children and people did not disappear. Few?

            Both those and others disappeared safely, only they did not write about it in the newspapers and did not speak on TV.
            The first to be told about was Chikatilo, but this is not quite that time.
          2. CSKA
            CSKA 13 August 2020 13: 56 New
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            Quote: Mavrikiy
            In understanding: drunken KOZs in cars at a speed of 150 km did not drive around cities and did not press passengers at stops. The drunks did not dance at the ICD. They didn't shoot at night, not only in the air. They didn't walk the streets with knives (also a violation). I'm not talking about a firearm. Children and people did not disappear. Few? This is only a part of what is now and what was not, son.

            Grandfather is it on your rampant crime? Drunk driving? Have you ever been drunk at the wheel in the USSR? Have you heard about the Tyapliapovites who keep the whole Kazan in fear? About the Mongol gang, about the Fantomas gang and a bunch of others? They shot into the air and did not go with knives? both children and people disappeared. So now my question is the same. Not enough for you? Or else to list? About the huge number of robbed cashiers, who did not even have proper security, they also did not hear? Is this happening now?
            Dedok you naivety do not include and tell tales about the absence of crime in the USSR.
            1. Metaphysicist 75
              Metaphysicist 75 15 August 2020 20: 45 New
              +3
              Look, sonny, how your first sentence is spelled correctly: "Grandfather, (comma, since the reference is highlighted with a comma) do you think (remember: it is written with a hyphen) rampant crime?" Total: two grammatical mistakes in one sentence. It was in the Soviet school that we were taught to write correctly and competently in Russian, and it was under Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev. How did you learn and what did you become afterwards? This is a completely different era and a different story.
              1. CSKA
                CSKA 17 August 2020 15: 51 New
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                Quote: Metaphysician-75
                Look, son, how your first sentence is spelled correctly

                Oh thank you, I'm glad for you that you know Russian well. Do you have something to write on the topic?
                Quote: Metaphysician-75
                It was in the Soviet school that we were taught to write correctly and competently in Russian, and it was under Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev. How did you learn and what did you become afterwards? This is a completely different era and a different story.

                But I was better at teaching strength of materials, theory of mechanics and structural mechanics.
          3. Sergey M. Karasev
            Sergey M. Karasev 14 August 2020 02: 20 New
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            We did not walk the streets with knives (also a violation).

            They went with knives, but firearms were much less common at the lesson. The automatic was generally a rarity. These are not the "saints" of the 90s, when bandits sometimes came in tanks for showdowns!
      3. Catfish
        Catfish 12 August 2020 15: 13 New
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        , there was no crime in today's understanding

        There were no gangs of brothers Tolstopyatov and Bilakov? There was no "Eliseevsky" case? Was there a "cotton" business either? I just remembered this offhand, but if you climb in the archives, there is a lot of things you can find. Leaders stole by millions, bandits by thousands. From Moscow, boiled sausage was transported to Peifiria by electric trains and buses. Wasn't it? laughing
        1. Comrade
          Comrade 12 August 2020 16: 59 New
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          Quote: Sea Cat
          There were no gangs of brothers Tolstopyatov and Bilakov? There was no "Eliseevsky" case? Was there a "cotton" business either?


          Are there many oligarchs who have not started playing politics in the post-Soviet space?
          Everyone knows that they are stealing, why they are not imprisoned? This is where the web is the difference between the old and the present times.
          The director of "Eliseevsky" was put against the wall, but today he would pay off like two fingers on the asphalt.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 12 August 2020 17: 34 New
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            Mzhavanadze was also placed against the wall? And how did the "cotton business" end, also prison and execution?
            1. Comrade
              Comrade 12 August 2020 19: 08 New
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              Quote: Sea Cat
              And how did the "cotton business" end, also prison and execution?

              We go to Wikipedia.
              "Investigations into the Uzbek case continued until 1989. Several “high-profile” arrests were made, including those arrested and then convicted: to capital punishment - the former Minister of the Cotton Industry of Uzbekistan V. Usmanov, the head of the OBKhSS of the Bukhara region A. Muzafarov; to different terms of imprisonment: Leonid Brezhnev's son-in-law Yu. M. Churbanov, First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Uzbekistan I.B. Usmankhodjaev, former secretaries of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Republic A. Salimov, E. Aitmuratov and R. Abdullaev, first secretaries of regional committees: Tashkent - Musakhanov, Fergana - Umarov, Namangan - N. Radjabov, Karakalpak - K. Kamalov, Bukhara - Abduvakhid Karimov and I. Jabbarov, who replaced him, Surkhandarya - Abdukhalik Karimov, former chairman of the Council of Ministers of the republic N. D. Khudayberdyev, head of the Papal agroindustrial associations named after V.I. Lenin of the Namangan region A. Adylov, generals of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the republic Yakhyayev, Norov, Norbutaev, Jamalov, Satarov, Sabirov, Colonel Begelman and so on. Some of the persons involved in the investigation committed suicide (K. Ergashev, G. Davydov, R. Gaipov; there were rumors of suicide of Rashidov himself)."
              Along the way, the death penalty was under Brezhnev, and people were put against the wall. And today even those who killed a hundred people live happily ever after, including at the expense of the relatives of the people they killed.
              And the authorities are vigilant to ensure that their "rights" are not violated.
              Today, the authorities ignore the rights of victims and are worried about the "rights" of criminals, so a rape victim who dares to resist the rapist risks getting a real sentence.
              And this is also a serious difference between the Soviet Union and the CIS countries - the infringement of victims for the good of the criminals.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 12 August 2020 19: 38 New
                +4
                And the authorities are vigilant to ensure that their "rights" are not violated.

                With regard to the present day, I am not going to argue, everything is so obvious and striking that there is nothing to talk about here.
                I just wanted to say that there is no point in idealizing the Soviet era, there was enough of everything, but there was no such blatant bestiality as it is today.
              2. Captain45
                Captain45 13 August 2020 09: 48 New
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                Quote: Comrade
                to different terms of imprisonment: Leonid Brezhnev's son-in-law Yu. M. Churbanov, First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Uzbekistan I.B. Usmankhodjaev, former secretaries of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Republic A. Salimov, E. Aitmuratov and R. Abdullaev, first secretaries of regional committees: Tashkent - Musakhanov, Fergana - Umarov, Namangan - N. Radjabov, Karakalpak - K. Kamalov, Bukhara - Abduvakhid Karimov and I. Jabbarov, who replaced him, Surkhandarya - Abdukhalik Karimov, former chairman of the Council of Ministers of the republic N. D. Khudayberdyev, head of the Papal agroindustrial associations named after V.I. Lenin of the Namangan region A. Adylov, generals of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the republic Yakhyayev, Norov, Norbutaev, Jamalov, Satarov, Sabirov, Colonel Begelman and so on.

                Until the 91st they served in ITK-13 in the city of Nizhny Tagil, and then they were safely transferred to their native Uzbekistan, where they were free within a year. Subsequently, they were rehabilitated as victims of the party massacre against the national cadres. Churbanov alone spent a full term in the zone, although in the position of a librarian. And the Uzbeks lived in the zone quite robustly.
        2. saygon66
          saygon66 17 August 2020 22: 43 New
          +1
          - Yes, it was of course ... But because of them they remember that they are out of the ordinary ... In the 90s they were even cooler, but it became habitual, there was nothing special to remember ...
      4. Captain45
        Captain45 13 August 2020 09: 43 New
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        Quote: Mavrikiy
        there was no crime in today's understanding

        Channel NTV - the cycle "The investigation was conducted ..." with L. Kanevsky to help you.
    2. Deniska999
      Deniska999 12 August 2020 06: 24 New
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      Brezhnev is one of the clearest examples of the need to leave on time before he becomes a hostage of the system and power. He would have left in 1974-1976, remained the greatest ruler, and in recent years he was already weakly capable.
      1. lelik613
        lelik613 12 August 2020 06: 37 New
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        After the old men came miserables and pissed away everything. Maybe that's why the old people sat in power until their death?
        1. Deniska999
          Deniska999 12 August 2020 06: 41 New
          -5
          And the old people were thinking about the future or about how to sit out, and there is even a flood?
          1. aglet
            aglet 12 August 2020 12: 14 New
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            Brezhnev wanted to leave more than once. but a pack of comrades from the Politburo begged him to stay, for the sake of stability in the country
        2. antivirus
          antivirus 12 August 2020 09: 15 New
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          There were a lot of nokdotes about Brezhnev then,

          before dying, Brezhnev, bury me upside down.
          --What for?
          - the time will come to kiss in the ass.
          1. Kwas
            Kwas 12 August 2020 20: 35 New
            0
            Yes, he was!
          2. Comrade
            Comrade 12 August 2020 23: 43 New
            +7
            Quote: antivirus
            There were a lot of nokdotes about Brezhnev then

            But now such demotivators have appeared. Not in the eyebrow, as they say, but in the eye.
          3. saygon66
            saygon66 17 August 2020 22: 39 New
            +1
            - There was also a more optimistic one ...
            - Ilyich asks his grandson: You, small, who do you want to become when you grow up?
            - General Secretary, grandfather ...
            - Why do we need two General Secretaries?
        3. Sergey Oreshin
          Sergey Oreshin 12 August 2020 14: 52 New
          -3
          And who raised these, ahem, "successors" and put them in leading positions? State Department or CIA? Or maybe the White Guards who were not killed were sent from Paris? The "old men" themselves raised Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shevardnadze and others-others-others
        4. Catfish
          Catfish 12 August 2020 15: 15 New
          -2
          This is a tradition, now everything is also under tracing paper, but the way it is done besides laughter does not cause anything.
          "History repeats itself twice, the second time as a farce." (from)
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 12 August 2020 06: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: Deniska999
        ... I would have left in 1974-1976

        So they came after him.
        Has it gotten better?
        A year later at the cemetery, after two sale to the USSR
        1. SOVIET UNION 2
          SOVIET UNION 2 12 August 2020 11: 27 New
          +5
          With newcomers after Brezhnev, the story is murky. Either the aliens themselves died, or they were successfully helped in this! No one canceled the fight for the crown even then!
      3. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 12 August 2020 07: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: Deniska999
        would have walked in 1974-1976, remained the greatest ruler, and in recent years he was already weakly capable.

        Are you delusional? Yes, even a mummy in the chair. Stalin, for the last two years, also did little business, but did not allow himself to be made a clown. And Brezhnev was manipulated. What's the difference, there was a government apparatus and it was not Brezhnev who made decisions. fool The apparatus prepared the necessary material on the problem, the desired angle on it and the decision on the issue. "Under white ruchenki", games of the apparatus for the people. That's what it is, and we'd better give it to you, with a bang. It was then that contempt for the CPSU, the authorities and the state was laid among the people.
        1. SOVIET UNION 2
          SOVIET UNION 2 12 August 2020 11: 39 New
          +5
          Here the question is different. During the reign of Brezhnev, everything settled down. Each cricket knew its own six. It is somewhat similar to today. Everything seems to be stable. There are two paths ahead. Stability and new opportunities! Do you think the nomenclature did not think to separate from the people and become the ruling class? Trotsky on the desire of functionaries to become owners
          The attempt to present the Soviet bureaucracy as a class of "state capitalists" obviously does not stand up to criticism. The bureaucracy has neither stocks nor bonds. It is recruited, replenished, updated in the order of the administrative hierarchy, regardless of any special property relations inherent in it. An individual official cannot inherit his rights to exploit the state apparatus. The bureaucracy enjoys privileges through abuse. She hides her income. She pretends that as a special social group she does not exist at all. Its appropriation of a huge share of the national income has the character of social parasitism. All this makes the position of the commander of the Soviet stratum highly contradictory, ambiguous and unworthy, despite the fullness of power and a smokescreen of flattery.
          Doesn't it remind anyone of anything?
      4. Million
        Million 12 August 2020 11: 43 New
        +4
        He wanted to leave, after a stroke, but he, one might say, was not allowed to do so, unfortunately
      5. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav 13 August 2020 20: 18 New
        +2
        and so he will remain in history as a leader under which the people lived better and fairer in the entire centuries-old history of Russia and he twice wrote refusals from the general secretary and his speech defect is also the result of a severe wound in the war and he knew the small land firsthand - he participated, otherwise what the amerskaya propaganda did to your brains is Leonid Ilyich not at all to blame
        1. Sergey M. Karasev
          Sergey M. Karasev 14 August 2020 02: 28 New
          +1
          I think Brezhnev honestly deserved one Star of the Hero in Malaya Zemlya.
    3. Bar1
      Bar1 12 August 2020 08: 49 New
      -14
      - Before there were Peter's, and now Dnepropetrovsk.
      - Yesterday there was an earthquake, do you know why? Brezhnev's jacket with orders fell.
      What have you done with our astronautics, Lenya son of a bitch?
      1. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav 13 August 2020 20: 20 New
        -1
        you just muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ...
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 13 August 2020 22: 50 New
          -1
          well, you're just a mutak ...
    4. Vend
      Vend 12 August 2020 10: 53 New
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      Quote: Comrade
      What do we remember about that time

      First of all - stability and predictability in everything, as well as confidence in the future. And also the long-lost feeling that you are a citizen of a great country.
      Also, there was no disgusting feeling that you were an object of profit, since today the state is constantly fumbling in your pockets and always inventing ways how to rob you once again under one pretext or another.

      I can't remember Brezhnev with a kind word. I then lived in Omsk, imagine in stores full shelves with groceries, there are no queues for sausages or sausages. And then Brezhnev arrived on a visit. After his departure, all the shops were swept like a broom. And food abundance came to Omsk, oddly enough, only in the 90s. Here is a case from life, not very good memories.
    5. Civil
      Civil 12 August 2020 14: 14 New
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      The main thing to remember
  2. Far B
    Far B 12 August 2020 05: 03 New
    +8
    Lukashenko is the last of the true heirs of the Soviet era
    Very controversial statement. Although against the background of other post-Soviet characters, of course, it looks like a more correct heir.
    It is unlikely that anyone will dispute the fact that the first leaders of the new states that were created on the ruins of the Union did not grow out of Gorbachev, but rather from Brezhnev.
    And how it will become. Who grew out of Brezhnev - Eltsyn / Kravchuk / Shushkevich? Or three Tribals? Or Elchibey with Gamsakhurdia? Perhaps only Nazarbayev can be brought up here.
    There were many good things under Brezhnev. But there were also a lot of shortcomings. He did not abolish all the consequences of "Khrushchev's voluntarism" - as a result, the system, albeit much more slowly than under crumbling, continued to degrade. The highest party nomenklatura remained a special caste - and the country really slipped into stagnation. Brezhnev simply did not have enough eggs to take advantage of the energy crisis of the early 70s - then the Union and the countries of the socialist camp really had a real chance to finish off the capitalist system. Brezhnev preferred to trade (peaceful coexistence, yeah). The capitalists, twenty years later, did not allow themselves such complacency.
    In short, Leonid Ilyich was a rather controversial figure. I won't hang his portrait on the wall. He does not want to coexist with Lenin and Stalin. IMHO.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 12 August 2020 06: 00 New
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      Quote: Dalny V
      He did not abolish all the consequences of "Khrushchev's voluntarism" - as a result, the system, albeit much more slowly than under the crumbling, continued degradation. The highest party nomenklatura remained a special caste - and the country really slipped into stagnation. Brezhnev simply did not have enough eggs,

      Everything is so and not so. Brezhnev is the same cog in the system, like all other members of the Central Committee. And no matter how much he measured, he would fly out and no longer like Khrushchev, but to smithereens. Stalin could not cope with it! fool Only restrained, but not reforged. Copper pipes, however request hi
    2. tatra
      tatra 12 August 2020 06: 12 New
      0
      And again the eternal cowardly whining of the enemies of the communists "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists are to blame," and again their maniacal passion for stupid criticism. According to the ideology of the enemies of the communists who seized the USSR, any power in world history can be declared worthless and criminal. And they seize Belarus, everything will be according to their scenario - they will plunder, ruin the country, declare Lukashenko a criminal, and they will blame him for what they will do to Belarus and its people.
      1. Far B
        Far B 12 August 2020 06: 17 New
        0
        Excuse me, who have you communicated with now?
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 12 August 2020 07: 28 New
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          Quote: Dalny V
          Excuse me, who have you communicated with now?

          Yes, I will go to the next world and from there I will settle this communist Khrushchev Gotbachev and Yeltsin into an apartment
          let her tell them about communism
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 12 August 2020 07: 00 New
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        Quote: tatra
        And again the eternal cowardly whining of the enemies of the communists

        When will you calm down ????
        The communists have no enemies. Nobody needs you to buy vegetables. Destroy yourself !!!
        1. tatra
          tatra 12 August 2020 07: 05 New
          -6
          But when will the enemies of the Communists grow up to defend THEMSELVES, and not rush to rage against others? Whenever you write about the enemies of the communists, they equally rush to rage against the communists and their supporters. And so in everything, the enemies of the communists and 70 years under Soviet power, and 30 years after their capture of the republics of the USSR rage against the Bolshevik communists, never once offering the country and the people their best candidacy. And now they are raging against Lukashenka, but no one has a better candidate both for Belarus and the Belarusian people, and for relations between Russia and Belarus.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 12 August 2020 07: 15 New
            -5
            Quote: tatra
            Yes, when the enemies of the Communists have already grown to defend THEMSELVES, and

            Yes, the communists have no enemies except themselves
            You are already eating yourself like dinosaurs.
            You always invent enemies for yourself.
            Lenin. Stalin shot ALL Leninists
            Stalin obosra "faithful Leninist" Khrushchev
            Khrushchev was shitty

            He got fucked by all the others
            Loyal "communists" hunchbacked and drunk finished off the country
            Are they communists ?? Tell us which of these communists is worthy of memory?
            Humpback which you made president ???? So he is a communist in your opinion
            1. tatra
              tatra 12 August 2020 07: 21 New
              -5
              Ha, the enemies of the communists are incorrigible. They have nothing and no one good either FOR themselves or FOR their country and people. And all 70 years under Soviet power, and all 30 years after their seizure of the republics of the USSR, they have only stupid, evil, aggressive, irrational, destructive AGAINST.
              1. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 12 August 2020 07: 30 New
                -1
                Isn't it time to see a doctor? In my opinion there is an aggravation again
              2. Dr. Frankenstucker
                Dr. Frankenstucker 12 August 2020 10: 41 New
                +2
                Quote: tatra
                enemies of the communists

                laughing
                who is talking about what, and you are all with your fetish.
                I wonder how you can scrape together such a rating on VO, copying the same comment from post to post for four years? Wonders...
                1. Undecim
                  Undecim 12 August 2020 12: 56 New
                  +4
                  Rating on VO is a tricky thing. In the section "News" there are generalissimos who for many years have not stated a single intelligible thought, only exclamations.
                  1. BAI
                    BAI 12 August 2020 16: 14 New
                    +1
                    which for many years

                    If for many years. For 2-3 years the "title" is gained.
        2. SOVIET UNION 2
          SOVIET UNION 2 12 August 2020 12: 12 New
          +2
          Can you give us more details about who donates Russia's natural resources? While the current government seems to be pulling tubes from Russia and selling gas to the Europeans cheaper than the Russians! And on the board of hydrocarbon companies, the majority of directors are Anglo-Saxons! And what is the need of Europeans and Turks for Russian gas? If they had a great need for Russian gas, they themselves would have pulled pipes from Europe and Turkey to connect to Russian gas! But why did Russia pull the pipes if they needed gas? Nobody pulls the hose from the gas station for you! And you need gasoline, you go to the gas station! Why is the situation different in the case of gas? And electricity is more expensive for the Chinese than for the Russians! And the forest goes to China! And even a retired Swedish major was attracted to raise AvtoGAZ (Deripaska turned out to be stupid), and Auto VAZ (are all Russian managers stupid there? But with money!). Where are the interests of Russia? Here Russia foresees the interests of the West more and flexes in advance!
        3. Fibrizio
          Fibrizio 12 August 2020 13: 10 New
          -1
          The picture is akin to the adherents of GCD. Pure idiocy. There, in publics, too, they urged to vote for the amendments in order to throw off the "yoke of the West" and stop "paying tribute." From this series.
          But this does not mean that your thought is completely wrong.
          Those who remember and lived the USSR for at least 50. Give them nostalgia. Those were their best years when there was no need to worry about the future, everyone lived about the same, regardless of whether they deserved it or not, although even then they were "more equal than others." They still live in the barracks built under Stalin (I wonder why they are not called "Stalinists"?). But there was a plus, there was no stress, there was positive on TV.
        4. Kwas
          Kwas 13 August 2020 19: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Lipchanin
          The communists have no enemies.

          It seems to me that you are mistaken or substitute concepts. "Members of the Communist Party" are not communists, these concepts differ significantly. Moreover, the "Members of the CPSU of the 1990 model" are not communists either. IMHO, communists should be called people with a communist worldview, and there are very many of them, in my opinion, much more than liberal or monarchical. The only thing they lack is a doctrine that takes into account the mistakes of the USSR period.
      3. Hantengri
        Hantengri 12 August 2020 11: 04 New
        +5
        Quote: tatra

        0
        And again the eternal cowardly whining of the enemies of the communists

        Irina, could you give a more precise definition of these malicious "enemies of the communists"? And then from your posts it is not at all clear what kind of animals they are, nor their species diversity, nor their origin, nor their habitat. And it turns out that your "enemies of the communists" is just a crackling phrase that has no clear meaning.
    3. CSKA
      CSKA 12 August 2020 11: 42 New
      -2
      Quote: Dalny V
      the crisis of the early 70s - then the Union and the countries of the socialist camp really had a real chance to finish off the capitalist system.

      ))))) Can you tell me how?
    4. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 12 August 2020 11: 58 New
      +4
      Well, the current leader of Russia did not stand next to Stalin! It is true that he does not reward himself with orders, but he generously presents his comrades-in-arms! Yes, and the economic race with China is clearly blown away! Where at the technological level were Russia in the 90s and 2000s and where is China !? If Brezhnev was ready for peaceful coexistence (what a word!), Then Putin is eager to integrate into their world! What for? To shake us like them? Another question is Brezhnev's entourage. The encirclement was clearly preparing the ground for integration with the West. I'm afraid that Putin's entourage wants integration and faster! What kind of leader does Russia need? The one who will build an independent Russia! We will never be brothers with the West! Slogan-Who is not with us is against us! works very well with Americans. Whoever is with the US is against the US! Why can't it be applied to Russia? Here on the site many are yelling-strong Russia, strong Russia! Well, if Russia is so strong, why does the goat need a button accordion? Why should Russia integrate into the world economy if Russia is strong? Integrate to the strong! Why is not the world economy integrating into Russia? Or is the question not logical? Is the level of development higher in the West? So who helped the West develop? Another West? Is everything the best in the West? What's better there? Total piercing and tattoo? Juvenile and gay marriage? Substitute food and euthanasia? The right to become homeless?
      1. your1970
        your1970 19 August 2020 13: 26 New
        -1
        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
        Which is better there?

        Well, for example, the auto industry or everything related to computers, no?
        1. SOVIET UNION 2
          SOVIET UNION 2 19 August 2020 14: 20 New
          -1
          Well, if you don't develop anything of your own, then of course everything will be the best there! Today Russia does not develop anything of its own and has absolutely nothing to be proud of today (well, except for the growth in the number of oligarchs!). Therefore, there are no inscriptions on the goods on the tricolor-Goods made in Russia! There is nothing to write on! Everything, everything is Chinese! When goods from China came to Russia in the 90s, they were even worse in quality than Soviet ones! But we stupidly killed our factories in order to buy and support the production of China! hi
    5. Kwas
      Kwas 12 August 2020 20: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Dalny V
      Brezhnev simply did not have enough eggs to take advantage of the energy crisis of the early 70s -

      Well yes. Only the first time he did not have enough of them right away, when it was necessary to judge Khrushch and his accomplices and put them against the wall, after the trial on the fact of the murders of Stalin and Beria. After that, it was still necessary to file a claim to protect their honor and dignity.
  3. Free wind
    Free wind 12 August 2020 05: 48 New
    17
    learned about the death of Leonid Ilyich on Thursday, probably at 10 o'clock. I don't know the number, in the fall. As for the orders, I don't know, there were sycophants even then. And now they are just heaps. About eyebrows, well, so they all have, varying degrees of shaggy. The eyebrows could have been cut, maybe surrounded by L.I. Brezhnev, there were already many who dreamed of destroying the Soviet system. ... For me L.I. Brezhnev is a leader with a capital letter. And he did a lot for our country.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 12 August 2020 08: 42 New
      +8
      Quote: Free Wind
      this is a leader with a capital letter.

      When L.I. Brezhnev, my mother-in-law burst into tears and said: "That's it, the end of the country" ... So it happened later ...
    2. Dym71
      Dym71 12 August 2020 14: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: Free Wind
      learned about the death of Leonid Ilyich on Thursday, at 10 o'clock probably

      At the same time, in the middle of a school lesson, a senior pioneer leader came into my class (all in tears) and sobbedly announced to us that our leader, Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev, had passed away, and therefore classes were canceled, after this phrase we briskly scratched out of school and ran out of it numb from the hum of factory whistles, merged together throughout the city.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 12 August 2020 20: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: Dym71
        Quote: Free Wind
        learned about the death of Leonid Ilyich on Thursday, at 10 o'clock probably

        At the same time, in the middle of a school lesson, a senior pioneer leader came into my class (all in tears) and sobbedly announced to us that our leader, Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev, had passed away, and therefore classes were canceled, after this phrase we briskly scratched out of school and ran out of it numb from the hum of factory whistles, merged together throughout the city.

        And all of a sudden our flights were "recaptured", all the cars were driven into parking lots, their standard weapons were suspended. And until 17 o'clock they were waiting for the command to take off. Then - "lights out", everyone goes home. They already knew that Brezhnev had died. The death of Brezhnev was experienced no less than the disrupted flights.
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 12 August 2020 21: 16 New
          +2
          For the first time in many years, a concert on Police Day was canceled, because Leonid Ilyich died ... and on TV for the first time then we saw a film we from Kronstadt ... well, the beep of the plant was, of course, oh, for the whole village of Gorky ... Khabarovsk residents know where is it
  4. nikvic46
    nikvic46 12 August 2020 06: 06 New
    14
    If you do not go deep into politics, then for many people the time of Brezhnev's rule was the best. There was no such everyday freedom before, and I think it will hardly ever be. The Volga River already by its name speaks of the desire for freedom. The Volga has always been a place of communication and rest. On the day of health, we went out into nature on 4-5 boats. There was no talk at all about the price of gasoline. After that, all the boats were damaged, or simply abandoned. And on the Volga, a tough regime was established for ordinary people, for those whom the Volga served for many years.
  5. Olgovich
    Olgovich 12 August 2020 06: 08 New
    14
    Leonid Ilyich himself at one time did and, in my opinion, did everything in his power for the prosperity of the Union and its 280 million population.

    Yes, he did EVERYTHING that could be done good for the people within the framework of the system that was.

    And he himself was a handsome, kind, decent, broad person: I know firsthand, my grandfather was well acquainted with him through joint service / work for many years, communicated with him a lot and told only good things about him.
    1. Kwas
      Kwas 12 August 2020 20: 54 New
      +2
      You know, it seems to me that he can be compared with Alexander III. The same stability and power, the same accumulating and unresolved problems. And the crash after. That is, they are more likely to be judged for what they did NOT do.
  6. avia12005
    avia12005 12 August 2020 06: 12 New
    +9
    Leonid Ilyich is a real front-line communist. And that's it.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 12 August 2020 07: 05 New
      -18
      Quote: avia12005
      Leonid Ilyich is a real front-line communist.

      Well, about the front-line soldier, you got excited
      Zhukov told how he was forced to write in the book as a "advice" with the colonel LB before the landing
      1. avia12005
        avia12005 12 August 2020 11: 40 New
        +7
        He did not get excited at all. What Zhukov said does not mean that LI was not on Malaya Zemlya.
      2. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 12 August 2020 12: 16 New
        +6
        And the members of the current government, deputies and officials all served in the army and were in hot spots?
    2. thinker
      thinker 12 August 2020 07: 28 New
      18
      And as already said - "Few will now remember that Brezhnev was" ... a participant in the Victory Parade!
      1. your1970
        your1970 19 August 2020 13: 31 New
        +2
        He would have stayed with these well-deserved awards .. He could not resist, he was led to sycophants ...
  7. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 12 August 2020 06: 15 New
    +7
    I was a child at the time, and on the day L.I. Brezhnev was expecting a repetition of yesterday's film on TV, and "Swan Lake" was going on ... And on both channels! Then I went out into the courtyard of the house and told my grandmother about it. She wondered how she could reassure me, and she looked for Uncle Sasha, a military pensioner who always read newspapers and was aware of international news.
    When the reason was found out, the grandmother was so killed, as if some close, dear to her person had disappeared. Crying ...
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 12 August 2020 10: 53 New
      -3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      and there was "swan lake"

      Probably forgotten, "Swan Lake", its showing on TV is, so to speak, a product of the State Emergency Committee, after Brezhnev's death, of course, no ballet was shown.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 12 August 2020 11: 07 New
        +2
        Not ... I GKChP "flew"))). I was just in the army, at the tankodrome and found out about the coup attempt somewhere in a day!)))
      2. Senior seaman
        Senior seaman 12 August 2020 12: 38 New
        +7
        You have forgotten this. "Swan Lake" was played during the mourning and funeral of Brezhnev, Andropov and Chernenko. But when they started playing during the Emergency Committee, the TV people got a hat, they say, why are you showing it, as if someone had died ?!
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 12 August 2020 13: 11 New
          0
          Quote: Senior Sailor
          "Swan Lake" was played during the mourning and funeral of Brezhnev, Andropov and Chernenko

          I don't remember what they say - point blank.
    2. AK1972
      AK1972 14 August 2020 13: 35 New
      +1
      At that time I was 10 years old, I remember perfectly how my grandmother, with tears in her eyes, said that now there would definitely be a war. And the human grief was genuine. By the way, I came from that - Novozybkov himself (thanks to the author for mentioning my native, beloved city) and was honored to stand guard at a huge portrait of L.I. Brezhnev in a white shirt, with a pioneer tie and an AK-47 on his chest in school # 1. But the supply in our town was really not so hot, every month we went to the neighboring Gomel (BSSR) for food, but there were no starving, homeless people and street children.
  8. Cruel beaver
    Cruel beaver 12 August 2020 06: 26 New
    13
    I don't know how where, but in Dnepropetrovsk Brezhnev's time is the best years of the city ..... The city was built as never before or after Leonid Ilyich. I remember those years with nostalgia .. And there were a lot of things in stores and opportunities to live normally. And work My parents received housing three times, and this despite the fact that my father was a simple worker at the DShZ and my mother was a technologist at a radio plant ...
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 12 August 2020 06: 56 New
      -6
      Quote: Angry Beaver
      My parents received housing three times and this despite the fact that his father was a simple worker at the DShZ and his mother was a technologist at a radio plant ...
      Well, my friend is not Brezhnev's fault, but dad and mom. repeat smile We got once under Khrushchev in 1961 a kopeck piece for 4, and under Brezhnev in 1989 a three-ruble note for 4. recourse
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 12 August 2020 09: 01 New
        +7
        "Under Brezhnev, in 1989" - something is wrong.
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 12 August 2020 09: 07 New
      -1
      Yes, it's my fault. recourse Brezhnev left in 1982. We did not get an apartment under him, but under Gorbachev, but I don’t want to say thanks to him.request
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 12 August 2020 10: 04 New
        +2
        I agree. The system can be quite inertial.
  9. Van 16
    Van 16 12 August 2020 07: 09 New
    10
    Thanks to the author for remembering a good time and a good person. Of course, there were drawbacks, especially at the end of the reign, but there was also confidence in the future, the country was respected, and it was a great country.
  10. Doctor
    Doctor 12 August 2020 08: 19 New
    +4
    It's like that. Can not argue.
  11. parusnik
    parusnik 12 August 2020 08: 31 New
    +4
    Anecdote from the Brezhnev era Brezhnev: I will die bury me in the mausoleum ... face down ... Kaaak? Face down ... after my death, you will kiss me in the ass ...
  12. exo
    exo 12 August 2020 08: 43 New
    +3
    Contradictory, but by no means the worst leader in the country. I remember his times with warmth.
  13. Korsar4
    Korsar4 12 August 2020 09: 00 New
    0
    Outlined vividly. But some phrases, like "Shmelev's carnivorous scenes" are scratching.
  14. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 12 August 2020 09: 14 New
    +4
    On that November day, several fellow soldiers gathered at my place. We celebrated the tenth anniversary of our call to the SA ...
    A day or two later, my eldest said: "Grandfather Brezhnev died in our kindergarten ..."
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 12 August 2020 10: 16 New
      +8
      I watched Brezhnev's funeral at my grandmother's. I was impressed by the coffin on armored vehicles. Then I watched Andropov's funeral. Then Chernenko. When I was 10, Gorby became the General Secretary.
      - Grandma, when will he die?
      - This young man, we can't wait
      Prophetic words laughing
  15. aglet
    aglet 12 August 2020 12: 15 New
    +5
    Quote: Bar1
    What have you done with our astronautics, Lenya son of a bitch?

    brought it to new frontiers. What did Vova do with our astronautics?
  16. aglet
    aglet 12 August 2020 12: 21 New
    +3
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Well, about the front-line soldier, you got excited

    you got excited about Zhukov
  17. faterdom
    faterdom 12 August 2020 12: 26 New
    +1
    I remember in the morning we were building up for divorce, and one of our local balabol: "Guys, Brezhnev died ..."
    All otvetstvuet- you, they say, Serega, do not joke with such things!
    I couldn't believe it ...
    Then round-the-clock readiness, the deployment of communications facilities, including satellite (then just started), anxious expectations of something ...
    Three years later they got used to it.
    And yet, in hindsight, it is thought that God would have given health for another 10 years - history would have taken a different path.
  18. Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 12 August 2020 13: 42 New
    0
    Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
    Can you give us more details about who donates Russia's natural resources?


    Apparently, this means that private traders extract with their money (they also do exploration) and therefore they put money in their pockets, and many shareholders are over the hill, or even large oil companies are developing fields.
    But here these guys forget a few things:
    1. There is little readily available oil left, it has probably been pumped with might and main for almost 150 years (and maybe more).
    2. The Russian Federation does not have the technologies for additional information and exploration of "complex" oil (or our method is unprofitable
    3. There is no desire to do this garbage.
    Therefore, private traders extract oil by paying horse taxes.
    1. aglet
      aglet 12 August 2020 18: 31 New
      +1
      "Apparently this means that private traders are mining with their grandmothers (they also do exploration)"
      everything has been explored before us. and built too
  19. Sergey Oreshin
    Sergey Oreshin 12 August 2020 14: 49 New
    +7
    My great-grandmother lived a very long life, she found both the late Nicholas II and the early Putin. So, she said that the best time was under Brezhnev. According to her, ordinary people did not live so well either before or after.
    And parents (as well as quite a few acquaintances of the older generation) still remember the Brezhnev era as the best in their life.
    Although, to be objective, the last 5-7 years of Brezhnev's reign began to slip, and in 82 he left a number of unresolved problems behind him.
    1. BAI
      BAI 12 August 2020 16: 25 New
      +4
      Well, if you take the history of the USSR (without Nikolai), then before the war - Civil, devastation, accelerated development with a belly tear (collectivization, industrialization). Where to go? After the war, it was natural to recover, taking into account the huge military losses. Only under Brezhnev did they manage to live in peace, without destructive force majeure. And then the main force majeure - perestroika = betrayal.
  20. yriuv62
    yriuv62 12 August 2020 18: 01 New
    +4
    If Brezhnev can be blamed for anything, it is excessive softness. And by the way, everything was fine with prosperity! Every five-year plan, 3000 enterprises were commissioned for him, and at the current one ... 78000 enterprises were destroyed in twenty years, but what kind!
  21. aglet
    aglet 12 August 2020 18: 20 New
    +6
    Quote: Rich
    I’ll just ask. You haven’t looked into utility bills for a long time?

    mom pays for him
  22. Old26
    Old26 12 August 2020 20: 53 New
    +4
    Quote: Free Wind
    learned about the death of Leonid Ilyich on Thursday, probably at 10 o'clock. I don't know the number, in the fall.

    November 10, Police Day. I remember this exactly. Then he was still living in an apartment, the owner was a retired police major. We sat at the table and waited for the concert, which was always very good. After the program "Vremya" (by the way, no one noticed that the presenters were in strict dark suits), instead of the concert, the broadcast of "Swan Lake" began. On the second channel - the same thing, on the local - too. I got up from the table, went into my room, turned on the "Riga-104" and heard over the Voice of America that Brezhnev had died in Moscow today. When this was reported on our TV and radio, I can't say, but it seems all the same on November 11 in the morning

    Quote: bober1982
    Probably forgotten, "Swan Lake", its showing on TV is, so to speak, a product of the State Emergency Committee, after Brezhnev's death, of course, no ballet was shown.

    It was you, namesake, who got it. It was "Swan Lake" that was broadcast instead of a concert dedicated to Police Day on the evening of November 10. It was only later that the "swan lake" became associated with the death of another General Secretary or events such as the Emergency Committee. And for the first time it was on the day of Brezhnev's death

    Quote: Dym71
    At the same time, in the middle of a school lesson, a senior pioneer leader came into my class (all in tears) and sobbedly announced to us that our leader, Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev, had passed away, and therefore classes were canceled, after this phrase we briskly scratched out of school and ran out of it numb from the hum of factory whistles, merged together throughout the city.

    On the day of Brezhnev's funeral, a TV was taken out in the lobby of our KB. But since there was not enough space for everyone, those who lived nearby were allowed to go home and not return. There was a summer pub nearby. We took a bottle of vodka along the way to remember it, so in the pub and watched the entire broadcast of the funeral on TV ...

    Quote: Krasnodar
    I was impressed by the coffin on armored vehicles.

    In fact, the coffin was on a gun carriage from a 122 mm M-30 howitzer, which was towed by the BRDM-2

    Quote: Chuck Lee
    I still have Soviet salary receipts. Sometimes I get it out, laugh.

    Salary vouchers in Soviet times? Dear, we signed only in the statement. And it was clear who gets how much. How many are the head of the department (or the head of the department, how many others. But the tickets are already an invention of the 2000s.
  23. borys
    borys 12 August 2020 22: 11 New
    +4
    There is a suspicion that today's Chuck Lee is the day before yesterday
    Leopold K. If so, then we must admit the comrade is stubborn and
    inventive in its own way. But on this forum he is successful
    it does not shine.
    1. Comrade
      Comrade 12 August 2020 23: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: borys
      There is a suspicion that today's Chuck Lee is the day before yesterday
      Leopold K. If so, then we must admit the comrade is stubborn and inventive in his own way.

      Everyone is trying to earn as much as they can. We write here for the soul, remember our youth, and some NGO pays him to stain the memory of Leonid Ilyich and spoil our mood.
      And most importantly, it instilled skepticism towards the Soviet Union in those who do not really remember our great Motherland. Breaking the link between generations through defaming our history is the ultimate goal of those who pay this loser for his comments.
      Nothing, today he was "minus", and tomorrow, you see, and "banned".
  24. Normal ok
    Normal ok 13 August 2020 17: 17 New
    -2
    I remember the anecdote of the Brezhnev times:
    There is a children's TV show. At the end of the program, the presenter asks the children a riddle-poem:
    "thick black eyebrows,
    long empty speeches,
    he is our hard worker-hero,
    guess who is. "
    When you guess (the host continues), ask your parents and friends what they think of him.
    Children send your answers to the competition. To the address: Moscow, Lubyanskaya square, transfer of the KGB-yka.
    1. EVDmitri
      EVDmitri 17 August 2020 14: 17 New
      0
      Alas, in Brezhnev's times, the address was different: Dzerzhinsky Square, not Lubyanskaya!
  25. bulava
    bulava 13 August 2020 19: 34 New
    -2
    The early Leonid Ilyich was an excellent general secretary, and then lost control of the situation, Western influence immediately penetrated the country, through the "creative intelligentsia", as well as all sorts of blackmail and criminals, they began to shake the USSR and shattered in the end. And of course, the privileges of many party bosses were very large, and the more luxurious they lived, the more corrupt they became, and the easier it was to lure Uncle Sam by promising an even more luxurious life without any conventions and observance of the norms of Soviet morality.
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 17 August 2020 22: 28 New
      +1
      - Yes, they were not too chic - all the good was official ... Rashidov Sh. R. remember? Best friend of Leonid Ilyich? So his dacha was a couple of kilometers from our town. She was guarded by as many as two (!) Policemen! And his driver in a regular store was stocking up with food ... And no corteges or "motorcycles with machine guns" on the roofs ... And no one blocked the streets ... yes
  26. imobile2008
    imobile2008 13 August 2020 21: 31 New
    -1
    Quote: Comrade
    What do we remember about that time

    First of all - stability and predictability in everything, as well as confidence in the future. And also the long-lost feeling that you are a citizen of a great country.
    Also, there was no disgusting feeling that you were an object of profit, since today the state is constantly fumbling in your pockets and always inventing ways how to rob you once again under one pretext or another.

    I remember standing behind the bread. It was then that I developed my mathematical abilities. Today is the turn of 10 people, in a month, 15, in 2000 I thought that I would stand behind bread for 8 years. And there was also a queue for cars.If I were 84 in this queue, then by 2020 I bought it! There was confidence in the future and predictability!
    1. Arman Abilsiitov
      Arman Abilsiitov 9 September 2020 11: 31 New
      0
      There was confidence in the future. But now, having lived up to this tomorrow's bottom, I'm not quite sure whether this is the final bottom, or tomorrow they will knock from below, reset to zero, etc.
    2. Dilettante grandfather
      Dilettante grandfather 25 September 2020 06: 06 New
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      Excuse me, is the car an object of worship? Is it absolutely necessary? Public transport worked fine. There was bread. There were cereals, pasta, fish, meat, sausage, cheese, vegetables. Milk and dairy products are available. Hot, tobacco - please. And the products were not so expensive. In '84, I went to work as a car mechanic apprentice. At 75 rubles a month. He lived with his grandfather. His pension and my salary allowed me to live in peace. To live, not to survive. I could even afford to buy one cassette once a month, made in Japan or Germany, at the Soyuzpechat kiosk. Now they don't live on a salary, the country is on a credit needle.
  27. Edvid
    Edvid 13 August 2020 23: 56 New
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    I remember in the Brezhnev time among us, students, there was a poem on the topic - who lives well in Russia: ".. To the shock Nyura, Gagarin Yura, Nikita Khrushchev, German Titov, Ilya Brezhnev, and the rest - as before ..."
  28. starshina78
    starshina78 16 August 2020 20: 57 New
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    The Brezhnev times began when I was not 9 years old and ended when I was 27 years old. What were these years? For me and my family personally, these were wonderful years. We moved to a separate apartment when I was 12, finished 8th grade and went to a technical school, after finishing it I ended up, "by pull", to serve in the Navy for three years in Kamchatka, then get married, a separate two-room apartment from my parents with the prospect of a three-room one, the birth of a daughter, a correspondence institute, the formation of me as the head of a division of the enterprise. I think this is the best time in my life!
  29. EVDmitri
    EVDmitri 17 August 2020 14: 08 New
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    Decades pass, and the importance of each of the country's leaders emerges from the fog of ignorance and the smokescreen of slander and / or praise.
  30. saygon66
    saygon66 17 August 2020 22: 21 New
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    - I served urgently with a guy whose parents lived with the Brezhnevs in the same house, back in the days when the future secretary general held some position in Dnepropetrovsk ...
    - A very simple and hospitable family was, as he said ...
  31. EvilLion
    EvilLion 19 August 2020 11: 58 New
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    Under Stalin, they began, under Khrushchev, or Brezhnev, that they did not break, then somehow they ended. Further, that's just no way.
  32. Arman Abilsiitov
    Arman Abilsiitov 9 September 2020 11: 29 New
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    People like the author of this material will write about the Putin era with affection: "tamed ...", "restrained ..." in the criminal sense, of course. Is it worse now than under Brezhnev? Naturally, when a rotting substance continues to rot unhindered, it becomes more and more fetid. Under Brezhnev, it was possible to turn away, now you need to pinch your nose and stock up on a gas mask, since rotting is the same, and no one needs to stop it. And it cannot be reset, no matter how Tereshkova urged.
  33. Victor Zakharov
    Victor Zakharov 10 September 2020 19: 13 New
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    I always remember Leonid Brezhnev with warmth. It was the heyday of socialism. Small towns were rebuilt, factories and enterprises were built, the country really worked, and did not play the fool as it is now. The heroes were ordinary workers and collective farmers, films were written and shot about them. The very atmosphere in the country was calm and inviting to life. Now we are in the first place in the world for suicides.
  34. Victor Zakharov
    Victor Zakharov 10 September 2020 19: 13 New
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    I always remember Leonid Brezhnev with warmth. It was the heyday of socialism. Small towns were rebuilt, factories and enterprises were built, the country really worked, and did not play the fool as it is now. The heroes were ordinary workers and collective farmers, films were written and shot about them. The very atmosphere in the country was calm and inviting to life. Now we are in the first place in the world for suicides.
  35. wadlis
    wadlis 19 September 2020 09: 46 New
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    At the time when Brezhnev died, it was fashionable to be considered a dissident and criticize the authorities. Since this was no longer followed, many went out of their way as best they could. There was also outright rudeness in relation to my country .. I was 17 then and I was among that part of the youth where it was customary to scold everything Soviet, implying that in the West, even the stars are brighter. When Brezhnev died, they did not hide their sincere joy. That I could really understand then .. But for some reason I remembered how at the pioneer age, standing in front of the window, proudly rejoiced that I lived in a Great Country that would protect me from any problems. Therefore, as first-graders, we calmly ran around construction sites and wastelands (Moscow was under construction) and our parents were not afraid to let us go out into the street. And it was so !!! Because it was unrealistic to detain and extradite a Soviet citizen to the USA !!! And not because he is a figure with secrets, but JUST A SOVIET CITIZEN! Now count how many Russian citizens have been handed over to American courts. And when you are detained at the airport, then you have nothing to count on !!!:
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  37. wadlis
    wadlis 19 September 2020 10: 10 New
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    At the time when Brezhnev died, it was fashionable to be considered a dissident and criticize the authorities. I was 17 then. I was among young people in which it was customary to abuse everything Soviet. They did not hide their sincere joy. What could I really understand then? But for some reason, I remembered how, as a pioneer, standing in front of the window, I was proudly glad that I lived in a Great Country that would protect me from any problems. Therefore, as first-graders, we calmly ran around construction sites and wastelands. Moscow was under construction and our family received a kopeck piece on the outskirts for free. Parents were not afraid to let us go outside. And it was so !!! And it was simply unrealistic to detain and extradite a Soviet citizen to the USA !!! And not because it was a figure with secrets, but JUST A SOVIET CITIZEN! Now count how many Russian citizens have been handed over to American courts. And when you are detained at the airport, then you have nothing to count on !!!:
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  39. wadlis
    wadlis 19 September 2020 10: 33 New
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    At the time when Brezhnev died, it was fashionable to be considered a dissident and criticize the authorities. I was 17 then. What could I really understand? But for some reason, I remembered how, at the pioneer age, looking out the window, I was proudly glad that I lived in a Great Country that would protect me from any problems. Therefore, as first-graders, we calmly ran around construction sites and wastelands. Moscow was under construction and our family received a kopeck piece on the outskirts for free. Parents were not afraid to let us go outside. And it was so !!! And it was simply unrealistic to detain and extradite a Soviet citizen to the USA !!! And not because it was a figure with secrets, but simply a SOVIET CITIZEN! Now count how many Russian citizens have been handed over to American courts. And when you are detained at the airport, you have nothing to count on !!!
  40. wadlis
    wadlis 19 September 2020 10: 52 New
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    Quote: wadlis
    At the time when Brezhnev died, it was fashionable to be considered a dissident and criticize the authorities. I was 17 then. What could I really understand? But for some reason, I remembered how at the pioneer age, looking out the window, I was proud to be glad that I live in a Great Country that protects me from any problems. Therefore, as first-graders, we calmly ran around construction sites and wastelands. Moscow was under construction and our family got a kopeck piece on the outskirts for free. Parents were not afraid to let us go outside. And it was so !!! And to detain and extradite a Soviet citizen to the United States was simply unrealistic !!! And not because it was a figure with secrets, but simply a SOVIET CITIZEN! Now count how many Russian citizens have been handed over to American courts. And when you are detained at the airport, you have nothing to count on !!!
  41. Dilettante grandfather
    Dilettante grandfather 25 September 2020 05: 56 New
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    There was stability under Brezhnev. Yes, grouse with pineapple was not washed down with champagne every day, but there was a persistent feeling that the world would not collapse, there would be no war.
  42. imobile2008
    imobile2008 25 September 2020 07: 56 New
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    Excuse me, is the car an object of worship? Is it absolutely necessary? Public transport worked fine. There was bread. There were cereals, pasta, fish, meat, sausage, cheese, vegetables. Milk and dairy products are available. Hot, tobacco - please. And the products were not so expensive. In '84, I went to work as a car mechanic apprentice. At 75 rubles a month. He lived with his grandfather. His pension and my salary allowed me to live in peace. To live, not to survive. I could even afford to buy one cassette once a month, made in Japan or Germany, at the Soyuzpechat kiosk. Now they don't live on a salary, the country is on a credit needle.

    It was in big cities, in small ones it was not so rosy. And you listed only food, for a note, in the United States at this and earlier time, the computer boom, which we have not even heard of, which made the United States practically inaccessible for development of the state!
  43. Alexey Gusev_4
    Alexey Gusev_4 28 September 2020 11: 05 New
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    One can agree with everything said by the author of this article. But one cannot ignore the fact that the recognition of the Brezhnev communist supreme power and the Soviet, scientific grant-eaters, the flights of the Americans to the moon, is tantamount to the betrayal of the peoples of the USSR for 30 pieces of silver (the government sensed the sweetness of Western chewing gum, jeans, limousines, yachts, etc.). This was the beginning of the betrayal of the communist elite and the collapse of the USSR.
    The successors of the collapse of the USSR and the traitors (IUDAS) of the peoples of the USSR lined up Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Burbulis, Simonenko and many communists and Komsomol members in power.
  44. Alecsandr
    Alecsandr 29 September 2020 22: 02 New
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    Leonid Ilyich took part in the Victory Parade on Red Square. He was a decent man, not spiteful. And whoever said anything, smart enough. Fools are not considered that way around the world. They were considered the second power in the world in terms of international influence.
  45. tanyurg56
    tanyurg56 5 October 2020 11: 05 New
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    As Gradsky sang: "how young we were!" And about the first half. Then there was the second half and ended with extra time, which still lasts.
    Penalties are not awarded, because everyone wants to become a champion. But it doesn't work that way. And Brezhnev was. And champion and record holder.
    Times have just changed.
  46. nikvic46
    nikvic46 14 October 2020 07: 08 New
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    The times of Brezhnev were the happiest period for ordinary people. I live on the Volga. And I will never see such navigation on the river again. We went on seven boats for a day of health. There was no question at all about the price of gasoline. But this was what we saw. There was a comparison with Belarus. At that time, the KGB worked skillfully. It worked quietly, without leading to a public outbreak. As a result, there was no need to act with clubs. Under Brezhnev, the nomenclature from organizers turned into freeloaders. And, accordingly, the following general secretaries received an inheritance.