In the Japanese press about the Kuriles: "In Russia, the islands of the northern territories are considered war trophies"

Japanese Premier Shinzo Abe

In the Japanese press, materials appeared on the 1945 Soviet-Japanese war. It officially began on August 9, 1945.

The Japanese news service Kyodo writes that today's Russian view of that war and victory in it "is an obstacle to solving the problem of the four islands of the northern territories." So in Japan they continue to call the Russian South Kuriles.

The material, which the Japanese news service also distributes through its representative office in China, recalls that "more than half a million Japanese soldiers and officers were sent to Siberia, from where about 55 thousand did not return."

From the material:

If in 1993 Russian President Yeltsin, who then visited Japan, called the detention of Japanese prisoners of war in Siberia as inhuman behavior, then in 2015 the Russian Foreign Ministry announced that these people were legally captured as servicemen of the losing army. They (in the Russian Foreign Ministry, note "VO") now justify it.

The article says that Russia considers Japan to be the only country in the world that does not recognize the results of World War II.
From the article:

They also criticize Japan's request to return the four northern territories. They consider them to be spoils of war. They also plan to hold events in September in honor of the 75th anniversary of the victory over Japan.

Comments

[Senka naughty]

The material, which the Japanese news service also distributes through its representative office in China, recalls that "more than half a million Japanese soldiers and officers were sent to Siberia, from where about 55 thousand did not return."

It is strange that except for China and the Russian "liberals" no one else writes about this. Even the Japanese media themselves are shocked. Since when did VO copy the yellow press?

[For example]

In Russia, the islands of the northern territories are considered war trophies

No.
In Russia, the Kuril Islands are considered their territory.
All islands.

[For example]

more than half a million Japanese soldiers and officers were sent to Siberia, from where about 55 thousand did not return

So it was no fucking shit to send them to war.
We would sit at home.

The Japanese need to be reminded how many millions of lives they have.
Want world domination?
Received on the tinsel.

Would you like to repeat?

[Constanty]

In Russia, the Kuril Islands are considered their territory. All islands.

Of course, but that doesn't change the fact that these are trophies of war.

Japan lost the war, the USSR captured the islands, it owns them. And all about it

[tihonmarine]

Quote: For example

In Russia, the Kuril Islands are considered their territory.
All islands.

War trophy, and even more so a trophy with the approval of the United States and Britain. But there is one more nuance. In April 1947, the Far Eastern Commission made a final decision on the following distribution of Japanese reparations: China (meaning the Kuomintang) - 50%; England, the Philippines and Indonesia - the remaining 50% equally (that is, 1/6 each). Many countries, including the USSR, were no longer planned among the recipients of Japanese reparations. The United States was not among the “beneficiaries” either. But Washington, which emerged enriched from the war, did not particularly need Japanese reparations. He claimed military and political control over Japan. And in the Commission, he (as the “disinterested” party) also had the final say as an arbiter standing above all other participants.
That is, the USSR flew by.

[DrEng527]

Quote: tihonmarine

War trophy

as at one time South Sakhalin following the results of the RYA

[mitroha]

it is reminded that "more than half a million Japanese soldiers and officers were sent to Siberia, from where about 55 thousand did not return."

Maybe we need to remind about the millions of Chinese tortured and killed by the Japanese.?

[Vladimir B.]

Necessarily follows. And also remind them about the experiments on people that the Japanese carried out.

[Volodin]

Quote: Senka Mad

Even the Japanese media themselves are shocked. Since when did VO copy the yellow press?

Don't write nonsense. "Kyodo" - for a second, the largest news agency in Japan with dozens of foreign correspondent offices. "VO" highlighted what the major Japanese media are writing about.

[Senka naughty]

Don't write nonsense. "Kyodo" - for a second, Japan's largest news agency.

Undoubtedly the largest. But that's the catch.

the information service distributes through its representative office in China

There is no link to direct sources in the article, only manipulations. So don't fool my head.

[Volodin]

Here is the "special fo yu" link: https://tchina.kyodonews.net/news/2020/08/42613edfe15c.html

Check it out, be so kind ... And yes - if something constantly "fools your head", then this is not to "IN".

[Senka naughty]

Here is the "special fo yu" link: https://tchina.kyodonews.net/news/2020/08/42613edfe15c.html

That's what I'm talking about, you "send" me to China to find out what they think in Japan. Nothing in this situation bothers you?

[Volodin]

Quote: Senka Mad

Nothing in this situation bothers you?

In this situation, I am confused by only one thing: the Japanese media disseminated material through their correspondent offices, including Chinese, which "VO" mentions, and you keep repeating something incomprehensible about "don't send me to China." By the way, "nothing" - through "and")))

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

Kyodo ... yes, let it be myodo, or whatever you call it, give a damn about me and US the scribbling of the Japanese media ... Not a Muscovite ... are you a Muscovite, citizen, then the east is a distant source of caviar and crabs ... .fish....

[NIKN]

"More than half a million Japanese soldiers and officers were sent to Siberia, from where about 55 thousand did not return."

And that in Siberia they were treated worse than in Detachment 731?
And if they were sent not to Siberia but to the Crimea, there would be no problems on the islands?

[cat Rusich]

Nikolay, the captured Japanese SOLDIERS - first send on foot by stage to the Crimea, and after arriving in Crimea - to amnesty and on foot to send "home" who would have reached Vladivostok at the expense of Japan to be transported to Japan. No need to buy goods of Japanese brands and those belonging to Japanese firms (for example, Kozel beer).

[vkl.47]

The grandmother remembered how she was a girl.

[Wedmak]

What's wrong? Fought? Yes. Did the Japanese lose? Yes. Were there prisoners? Yes. The territories were seized (or rather recaptured) in wartime, quite legally. But now you see, whether it seems to the Japanese that this is not entirely true or not at all so at all, Yeltsin said so, return the islands ...
This ... I have a 3D printer, I can print a big pink fig and send it by special parcel, since the words of our Foreign Ministry are not clear to you.

[hydrox]

Please, do not forget that a couple of healthy (weighty) men should be hung at the bottom of the fig so that the fig japenam resembles something that cannot be mentioned in the diplomatic correspondence.
By the way, the fig will have to remember to pull on the nipple from baby food (for believability!).

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Wedmak

What's wrong? Fought? Yes. Did the Japanese lose?

They lost to the USSR and its allies. But how much blood is on their hands. The massacre in Nanjing in December 1937 - January 1938 became a symbol of Japanese atrocities: the Chinese claim that 300-400 thousand people were killed there, mostly with cold steel. According to Beijing's estimates, before 1945, 35 million people died as a result of the Japanese aggression in China.

[Wedmak]

They lost to the USSR and its allies.

Speech now specifically about the islands of the Kuril Ridge. Well, along with the territory of China. Allies were not close there, if you are talking about the United States, Britain, France and others.

But how much blood is on their hands.

China remembers well and can charge them for it.

[72jora72]

They lost to the USSR and its allies. But how much blood is on their hands. The massacre in Nanjing in December 1937 - January 1938 became a symbol of Japanese atrocities: the Chinese claim that 300-400 thousand people were killed there, mostly with cold steel. According to Beijing's estimates, before 1945, 35 million people died as a result of the Japanese aggression in China.

The extreme cruelty of the Japanese is rooted in their religion. "Shinto", and the general Japanese philosophy which considers only the Japanese to be" real "people, and the rest of the people to be" subhuman. " has not gone anywhere, this can be a hardener for those who have lived and worked in Japan for a long time ...

[Wedmak]

And by the way, the idea of ​​Japanese superiority has not gone anywhere.

And what, are they right now with this idea? With their superiority, they sit on a piece of sushi, which, if desired, can be turned into an ash-covered one in 20 minutes ... It seems like the adequacy is present in issues that do not concern the islands ..

[ohka]

Figo is not allowed, Japanese women with low social responsibility called clients with such a combination of fingers ...

[Wedmak]

What a misfortune ... with these Japanese, I can't even send normally.

[hydrox]

I do not understand!
What is this: statements of some drunk (maybe with a drink (or worse, with a hangover)) should all Russians perceive as the ultimate truth?
This will never happen, as long as the memories of how during the reign of the drunk liberda appropriated ALL the national property are still alive !!

[rotmistr60]

You never know what Yeltsin could say from Budun. I advise the Japanese to read Golovin's book "Rear Front" and refresh their memory. Japan really does not want to come to terms with the results of 2 MB. If they are principled, then ask the Americans to withdraw the bases from their territory, declare loudly that they did not destroy the Chinese, Koreans, did not force the USSR to keep huge forces in the east of the country when there was a need for their presence in the west, etc.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rotmistr60

You never know what Yeltsin could say from Budun. .......

whatever he says, they probably believe Naina's words "about the saints of the 90s"
Japan's war crimes during the Second Japanese-Chinese War and WW2 have been proven. In the 50s, high-ranking officials of Japan made numerous apologies for the crimes committed, but then members of their Liberal Democratic Party began to try to deny.

[steelmaker]

All our problems are that we are too kind and believing. In karate there is a technique-principle, finishing off the opponent so that he does not rise. All nations, except Russians, understand that enemies cannot be re-educated. The entire history of Russia's existence is a history of wars with the same enemies. We must change the principled approach in everything with our enemies. The enemy must know that there will be no mercy !!
"Don't kill it later, on another planet,
and on Earth - fire with water and peace with war,
but we are responsible for the world.
If you are shot with a steel bullet,
do not endure, but fight back with a combat grenade.
This is earthly logic, in our spirit we are dear ... "

[Wedmak]

The entire history of Russia's existence is a history of wars with the same enemies.

To be precise - not exactly the same ones. One and the same - these are the Anglo-Saxons, throwing different enemies at the Russians. And all these throws ended in defeat, and partly with the disappearance of the throwers. This is, if very "in general". Finishing off a fooled nation ... well, so-so.
We did not fight directly with the Anglo-Saxons (or I don’t know about such a fact?), It is not surprising. There were clashes (they tried in Murmansk, for example), no more.

[abrakadabre]

We did not fight directly with the Anglo-Saxons (or I don’t know about such a fact?)

How they fought:
1. Crimean war - defense of Sevastopol
2. Defense of Petropavlovsk (Kamchatka) and the Solovetsky Monastery
3. Interventions during the Civil War.

[Wedmak]

But yes ... memory is already bad to see .. Crimean war, how could I forget ...

[ghby]

Quote: steel maker

Russia is a history of wars with the same enemies. We must change the principled approach in everything with our enemies. The enemy must know that there will be no mercy !!

Well, I disagree a little, because Russia is what it is, and this is its difference from everyone else. And in our history there are examples when the once implacable enemy, after centuries, no longer perceives itself in isolation from Russia and is ready to gnaw its throat for Russia, and gnawed and gnawed (my friends, at least their grandfathers and great-grandfathers).

[abrakadabre]

In karate there is a technique-principle, finishing off the opponent so that he does not rise.

Karate is a sport. Therefore, the reference to its rules is not correct. That's right: in battle (after all, there was a war, and not a sport match) there is a rule - the enemy must be finished off. So that, even mortally wounded, he could not drag him to the grave. Let alone just wounded. True, it is applied rather on an individual basis during a battle. For those who extend this principle to the entire people of the enemy, in the interval between battles or at the end of the war, the Nuremberg and Tokyo tribunals are usually arranged.

[Wedmak]

I agree that it will not be long before the genocide. The line is thin.

[Mountain shooter]

They are hopeless. They will hammer until the chisel breaks.

[tihonmarine]

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it is recalled that "more than half a million Japanese soldiers and officers were sent to Siberia, from where about 55 thousand did not return."

This is only 10% of the total number of prisoners. Why don't the Japanese write how many prisoners of war and allied countries died in captivity? Or how many prisoners of war died in the Nazi camps. In these figures, the USSR will be the most humane country in relation to prisoners of war.

[Wedmak]

Because if they write, they will repent of their atrocities for another 200 years ...

[parusnik]

In principle, there is nothing surprising, since the times of the USSR they have said this, but then they spoke out somewhat softer ...

[Poetry]

It would be better to talk about what these "unfortunate" Japanese were doing with prisoners of war and the civilian population of China.
Fuck you bald, not the Kuriles!

[antivirus]

They also plan to hold events in September in honor of the 75th anniversary of the victory over Japan.

- I hope to celebrate the 80th anniversary of the Victory

[sav]

If in 1993 Russian President Yeltsin, who then visited Japan, called the detention of Japanese prisoners of war in Siberia as inhuman behavior, then in 2015 the Russian Foreign Ministry announced that these people were legally captured as soldiers of the losing army.

There it is ... The Japanese recall with wet eyes the 90s, when our positions in politics gave up one after another. Require "continuation of the banquet"

[tihonmarine]

Quote: sav

The Japanese remember with wet eyes the 90s, when our positions in politics gave up one after another.

And not only in Japan

[iouris]

Publications "on opinions in Japan" on "islands" violate the amendments to the constitution.

[The Siberian barber]

"Natural modesty" does not allow you to remember Unit 731, the Nanking massacre ??
When they stepped on the eggs, they remembered about humanism

[Cyril G ...]

Doesn't allow, yeah!

[Prisoner]

Where did you get it? Nobody considers them to be trophies. Everyone understands that these are native Russian lands. Only the dumb ones do not understand.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Captive

Where did you get it? Nobody considers them to be trophies. Everyone understands that these are native Russian lands. Only the dumb ones do not understand.

In fact, the Ainu lived on the Kuril Islands, the Japanese were not at all relatives.
They did not have statehood, therefore, who first put up their flag, that is the island ..

[Fedorovich]

Damn, they would draw hentai on this topic already and sit quietly fapali ...

[Lelik76]

"If in 1993 Russian President Yeltsin, who then visited Japan, called the detention of Japanese prisoners of war in Siberia as inhuman behavior, then in 2015 the Russian Foreign Ministry declared that these people were legally captured as soldiers of the losing army. They (in the Russian Foreign Ministry , note "VO") now they justify it. "
We had camps with Japanese prisoners of war in Irkutsk. One of them is nearby - they were building houses in the area of ​​the aircraft plant, I would say they built it well. Grandfather and grandmother told me that they normally lived here in Siberia. We fed them little by little.

[Reserve buildbat]

One gets the impression that this is not an article, but the plaintive groans of a three-year-old. "And the cat bit me and buried the scoop ..."
Although it should be admitted that the Yapas are already completely obsessed with the Kuril Islands. We should remind them that as a result of the war, Hokkaido also retreated to the USSR, but Comrade. Stalin decided to confine himself to the Kuriles.

[Mik1701]

From the history textbook -
In World War II, the United States was the most active against Japan (December 1941), supporting China and forced to respond to the aggressive actions of the Japanese army near the Hawaiian Islands. The USSR declared war on Japan only in August 1945, and in September of this year Japan surrendered. There was no direct attack by Japan on the USSR .... Therefore, they also hope for the return of territories.

[Wedmak]

There was no direct Japanese attack on the USSR ...

There was an operation to liberate the territories of the USSR and China. South of Sakhalin and the islands in 1945. really belonged to the Japanese. So formally there was a direct military operation against the Japanese on their territory. Following the results of World War II, South Sakhalin and the adjacent islands were included in the USSR.
The Japanese dug a hole for themselves, demanding the transfer of 4 islands as a condition for signing a peace treaty. When the USSR agreed to transfer 2 islands only after signing. And it was a gesture of goodwill. Having changed the rules of the game, the Japanese have lost even the opportunity to claim the islands, no matter how much they push now.

[Mik1701]

No one doubts that there was an operation by the USSR to liberate China ... But this is already World War II ... In the history of the Great Patriotic War, it is not a secret for anyone that V. I. Stalin was afraid of Japan's strike until the very last moment at the beginning of the war. And purely hypothetically, it's even scary to imagine a simultaneous strike from the west by the Nazis and from the east by Japan. They had until 1945. there was a Pacific Ocean front with Amers and Angles ...

[ultra]

Quote: Mik1701

And purely hypothetically, it's even scary to imagine a simultaneous strike from the west by the Nazis,

Not hypothetically, but quite realistically, Japan waged war in Southeast Asia and China, and since December 1941 with the United States, so the likelihood of entering the war with the USSR was extremely unlikely.

[RUnnm]

Lately, I like to read the comments of the Japanese regarding the Kuriles ...
But there are also adequate ones, recognizing the uselessness of their wishes.
https://inosmi.ru/social/20200809/247883356.html

[RUnnm]

Quote: Leopold K.

Did they want to?
Where is it written, except for "truthful Soviet sources"?

Plan "Ost" - an invention of "truthful Soviet sources"?)))
Or is "Mein Kampf", in which we are talking about the same liberation of territories vital for the Reich - also a notion?
Well, or the plan for dividing the conquered territories into zones of production, mining, etc., is it also a fiction?

[Cyril G ...]

They (in the Russian Foreign Ministry, note "VO") now justify it.

The Japanese say And let them say B. And then they cry crocodile tears about 55 thousand "innocently tortured Japanese in Siberia" and every year they celebrate the day of the destruction of the Pacific Fleet Air Force steamer where civilians were evacuated from Korea - but they stupidly keep silent about the genocide of the Chinese ...

[Strashila]

Japan, no need to remind us, we already remember that Hokkaido is the southern island of the Kuril ridge.

[RUnnm]

Quote: Leopold K.

The question was, "did the Romanians and the Finns really want world domination?"
It's not good to juggle.

And what is the distortion? Isn't an accomplice in a murder a criminal?

[RUnnm]

Quote: Leopold K.

This is already more serious.
It would be worth reading already.
What if something like that is really written there.
But, I very much doubt this.

Why is it so stupid to lie. The revised plan from 42 years old is stored at the Institute of Agriculture at the University of Berlin BA, R 49 / 157a,

[RUnnm]

Quote: Leopold K.

Remind you that since March 1941, the United States and Britain have actually been allies?

Even so? Don't you think it’s too hard to remind me of when the United States, in spite of Britain’s numerous pleas, agreed to supply ships under Lend-Lease? Well ... give the date of the first call and the date of the start of deliveries, if it does not bother you, of course. You demand to operate with dates, facts. Please show me the class ...

[RUnnm]

Quote: Leopold K.

Depressed?
USA?
In 1939?
Have you decided to make me laugh?
The US depression itself lasted from 1929 to 1933.
And from 1933 the US economy began to RECOVER.
When the US has finally recovered, opinions differ. Someone calls 1939; Someone calls 1941. But that doesn't matter.

Imagine yes! For you forgot about the theater of operations, which was oh, how far from the shores of the United States. And the extrapolation of the internal potential across the ocean for the United States until the end of the war remained only locally available.

[RUnnm]

Quote: Leopold K.

1. The USSR has never been a strong state. Neither under Dzhugashvil, nor after him. It cannot be put on a par even with Poland (in 1939), not that Britain and France.
By the way, Britain and France were much more powerful than the USSR after Dzhugashvili.

No comment. Ok, men in bast shoes, without an economy and an army, liberated all of Europe from the smartest and most worthy. Think so - ok. The more worthy and valuable is our Victory

[1536]

What is it like for Russian citizens living in the Kuril Islands, the primordial Russian land, every single day from morning till night to read in the media all sorts of fabrications of the Japanese about Russian territories? I think that this is at least puzzling for them.
Tomorrow the Japanese will lay claim to, say, Vladivostok, Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, and then Moscow. Is it in their tradition? However, what a question, perhaps, what a statement. Here one foreign "activist" wanted to set Russia on fire from Smolensk to Vladivostok, and what remains for the Japanese, to grieve the fire with oncoming fire, to organize a kind of "oncoming fell"? And how long will we read, listen and contemplate Japanese attacks and tantrums?

[Vladimir_6]

If in 1993 Russian President Yeltsin, who then visited Japan, called the detention of Japanese prisoners of war in Siberia inhuman behavior,

And what, should we drop a tear now? There is no name at all for what the Japanese did with prisoners.

Detachment 731 - Monstrous experiments on people by Japanese war criminals.
A terrifying example of what creatures completely devoid of humanity in white coats and shoulder straps can do.

https://fishki.net/anti/1892426-otrjad-731---chudoviwnye-opyty-nad-ljudmi-japonskimi-voennymi-prestupnikami.html

[Dzafdet]

Yes, Yeltsin, then drunk the USSR destroyed, then in Germany he conducted an orchestra, then in Japan with a hangover he uttered ... He was a multifaceted man ...

[Varaga]

In the Japanese press about the Kuriles: "In Russia, the islands of the northern territories are considered war trophies"

And this is the "trophy". Not figs was with Hitler (to burn him in hell) to create all sorts of collaboration. To paraphrase V. Sukhorukov's character, he tends to say:
"You will answer us for Tsushima! .."

[Fitter65]

"More than half a million Japanese soldiers and officers were sent to Siberia, from where about 55 thousand did not return."

So there was no need to send them to Siberia, they would sit on the gluteal muscles in their Japan and everyone would be alive.

[Fitter65]

They also criticize Japan's request to return the four northern territories. They consider them to be spoils of war ..

Now, if we had landed troops on Hokkaido, then yes, there would be a trophy !!! And so ... They brought back what Mykola the Other ( ) profuked.

they plan to hold events in September to commemorate the 75th anniversary of the victory over Japan.

No damn, we must joyfully celebrate the 5th anniversary of the defeat in the Russo-Japanese War on September 115.

[pafegosoff]

Yes to ... be on this country - the slave of the United States!
Still occupied to listen!
Fuck them, ogres and gutters!

[Klingon]

were the conditions of the Japanese prisoners of war inhuman? they clearly have bad memory. It is worth reminding them what the Japanese themselves did in Manchuria, China and the Philippines.

[Kelwin]

If in 1993 Russian President Yeltsin, who then visited Japan, called the detention of Japanese prisoners of war in Siberia as inhuman behavior, then in 2015 the Russian Foreign Ministry announced that these people were legally captured as servicemen of the losing army. They (in the Russian Foreign Ministry, note "VO") now justify it.

What about Detachment 731? They would have sniffed into their two narrow holes and not rustled. Yellow snot on the map ...

[Whirlwind]

An essential clarification is needed - in the AMERICAN Japanese press, something appeared there again ...

[tax payerschik]

You can negotiate with the Japanese. Nobody just wants to do it. But there are prospects.

[Jager]

I remember my grandmother's stories; there was a Japanese prisoner of war camp not far from their house. Insidious and very cruel. She said that her friend, the Japanese who worked in the field during the harvest, broke her legs with a shovel. She remembered that they were extremely disciplined and fanatical.