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Kravchuk at the negotiations on Donbass "will mark the red lines, as he did in 1991 at the Belovezhskaya meeting"

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Leonid Kravchuk, who recently headed the Ukrainian office in the Trilateral Contact Group on the settlement of the conflict in Donbass, continues to actively give interviews to journalists. Without even visiting the region and not talking to the locals, Kravchuk tells what issues he will discuss and what he will not.


According to Mr. Kravchuk, who gave another interview to Ukrainian journalists, he does not intend to discuss issues that are "beyond the red line."

Kravchuk said that he himself intends to mark the "red lines" in the negotiation process, adding that he did the same in 1991 at the meeting, when the Belovezhskiy negotiations were going on in Viskuli on virtually the end of the existence of the USSR.

Kravchuk:

I will not discuss issues that relate to our life, the life of our nation. I will never sign a single document that relates to this: sovereignty, territorial integrity.

Kravchuk was asked what he would do if the other side raised such questions. According to the head of the Ukrainian mission in the Trilateral Contact Group, he will say that "the topic is closed, and there is nothing to talk about."

Interesting position. Why, then, in 1991, Mr. (and at that time still a "comrade") Kravchuk did not ask himself a question about the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Soviet Union, but hurried to Kiev to announce a "change"?
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  1. For example
    For example 10 August 2020 08: 39 New
    37
    This is that g. Nida that the Union plundered. Divided into parts.
    What to talk to him about?
    An aspen stake as a gift to him.
    1. vkl.47
      vkl.47 10 August 2020 08: 49 New
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      One of the ghouls that the Union was quietly torn apart. Is now proud of this. Well, he is that ... he has a comfortable old age. And his great-grandchildren too.
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 10 August 2020 09: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: vkl.47
        his old age is comfortable, and his great-grandchildren too.

        He has been for many years. At the end of his life, thoughts about his personal role in the destruction of his own country will probably come to him. I don’t think we should envy him. Life is lived, but the result is negative. What satisfaction is there? He just doesn't talk about it out loud. recourse
        1. For example
          For example 10 August 2020 10: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: Hagen
          He just doesn't talk about it out loud.

          This is if he has a Russian soul.
          If loot is a yardstick, then your arguments are useless for him.

          I think he consoles his ego with the fact that for centuries he will remain the creator of Ukraine.

          Someone else's soul is darkness.

          But the fact remains. He destroyed millions of families. Divided the people into parts.

          In my opinion - a ghoul.
        2. gsev
          gsev 10 August 2020 18: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: Hagen
          At the end of his life, thoughts about his personal role in the destruction of his own country will probably come to him.

          It just needs to be sent diplomatically with its red lines. I think there are many people surrounded by Zelensky who will be happy to observe if this old nationalist is ignored in the negotiations.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 10 August 2020 18: 32 New
            0
            Уже некоторое время назад заместитель руководителя администрации президента России Дмитрий Козак направил коллегам по "нормандской четверке" письмо, заявив о неэффективности переговоров в формате политических советников. В принципе, слать надо не только Кравчука, но и фигурку, сидящую на пальце посла США на Украине, вместе с послом...
            1. gsev
              gsev 11 August 2020 00: 15 New
              0
              Quote: Hagen
              Дмитрий Козак направил коллегам по "нормандской четверке" письмо, заявив о неэффективности переговоров

              If in response, Ukraine puts up Kravchuk with red lines, then vis-a-vis him can send a diplomat like Girkin until the negotiations are taken more seriously.
        3. alexmach
          alexmach 10 August 2020 19: 26 New
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          At the end of his life, thoughts about his personal role in the destruction of his own country will probably come to him

          No actually. They consider the collapse of the Union to be an achievement. To this he appeals.
    2. Civil
      Civil 10 August 2020 08: 53 New
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      1. Russia will not allow the return of Donbass on the terms of Kiev.
      2. Kiev will not agree to Donbass on Russia's terms.
      3. All negotiations are meaningless and futile.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 10 August 2020 08: 59 New
        +7
        Quote: Civil
        3. All negotiations are meaningless and futile.

        And Kozak said so
        1. For example
          For example 10 August 2020 10: 06 New
          -6
          Quote: Civil
          3. All negotiations are meaningless and futile.

          Quote: Lipchanin
          And Kozak said so


          And ???????

          Continue the war?

          Until the last Russian in these lands?

          Are you happy about this outcome?
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 10 August 2020 10: 16 New
            +4
            Continue the war?

            Did the boltology, which is not the first time going at least a millimeter, stopped it?
            Until the last Russian in these lands?

            Where did I say that?
            Are you happy about this outcome?

            Well, no need to attribute your thoughts and desires to me !!!
            Where did you see my joy ????
          2. Same lech
            Same lech 10 August 2020 11: 49 New
            +3
            Until the last Russian in these lands?

            Are you happy about this outcome?

            Bandera's people of Ukraine rejoiced at this, burning Russian people in Odessa.
            So the fighters of the LDNR will defend their homeland from the Bandera ghouls until everyone is buried in the ground.
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 10 August 2020 08: 59 New
      +8
      Quote: For example
      An aspen stake as a gift to him.

      Oh, you don't know Kravchuk. He will make himself a pole for dancing and striptease from this stake.
      1. For example
        For example 10 August 2020 10: 07 New
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        Quote: Egoza
        Oh, you don't know Kravchuk ...

        Elena, do you know him?
        Lit together? wink laughing
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 10 August 2020 10: 47 New
          +4
          Quote: For example
          Elena, do you know him?
          Lit together?

          Well not funny No. because - frankly rudeness.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 10 August 2020 12: 50 New
            +2
            Quote: Insurgent
            Well, not funny, because it is frankly rudeness.

            Yes, he lost something.
            Один он в "теме", все остальные не так всё понимают
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 10 August 2020 12: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: For example
          Quote: Egoza
          Oh, you don't know Kravchuk ...

          Elena, do you know him?
          Lit together? wink laughing

          Елена "Беркуту" еду и тёплую одежду носила.
          And some at this time, I will not say the nickname, sat on the couch and made my khataskraya
    4. Dmitry Nikolaevich Fedunov
      Dmitry Nikolaevich Fedunov 10 August 2020 13: 58 New
      +1
      Кто бы этому "киевскому партнёру" на шее красную линию прочертил ...? soldier
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 10 August 2020 08: 49 New
    +2
    Радуется, что на старости лет достали из "политического ларца", нафталин отряхнул и выставили на публику. Вот и трепает языком на лево и на право. Торопится, понимает, что, скорее всего в последний раз.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 10 August 2020 09: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Радуется, что на старости лет достали из "политического ларца", нафталин отряхнул и выставили на публику. Вот и трепает языком на лево и на право. Торопится, понимает, что, скорее всего в последний раз.

      1. Никто из украинских политиков не умудрялся "проскочить между капелек". Уж так изворачивался, что в историю с этим вошел. Так что "Если не он, то кто же?"
      2. All additional earnings to retirement. Why not just chat?
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 10 August 2020 09: 07 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      на старости лет достали из "политического ларца", нафталин отряхнул и выставили на публику

      Which, in turn, indicates that:

      a) - on the outskirts, in circles close to the current government, there are no persons able to negotiate taking into account the requirements of Donbass (we require,не просим,просили мы до мая 2014-года,но нас не стали слушать, сделав ставку на "зачистку").
      б) - клоунада "минского процесса" ,особо учитывая личность Кравчука, ни к чему не приведёт...

      As a result, the outskirts are generally not negotiable.
  3. Poetry
    Poetry 10 August 2020 08: 50 New
    +5
    We can say that the negotiations ended before they even started.
  4. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 10 August 2020 08: 50 New
    +2
    Kravchuk at the negotiations on Donbass
    Another fool , a silly government. fool What to discuss?
  5. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 10 August 2020 08: 50 New
    +1
    This is such a categorical ragul that is needed in negotiations. Otherwise, Donbass will quickly return to the fold of the state.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 August 2020 09: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: 7,62x54
      This is such a categorical ragul that is needed in negotiations. Otherwise, Donbass will quickly return to the fold of the state.

      You are right, fools are always needed, they occasionally bring benefits without even knowing it.
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 10 August 2020 19: 31 New
      0
      This is such a categorical ragul that is needed in negotiations. Otherwise, Donbass will quickly return to the fold of the state.

      Он далеко не такой категоричный, вот Елена выше пишет про "между капелек" Он как раз таки ещё какой вертлявый.
  6. AleBors
    AleBors 10 August 2020 08: 54 New
    +3
    With such a negotiator, the further process is meaningless.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 10 August 2020 09: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: AleBors
      With such a negotiator, the further process is meaningless.

      Yes, it’s time to end the negotiations! You need to act!
  7. sav
    sav 10 August 2020 08: 55 New
    +7
    Возомнил себя "политическим тяжеловесом". Под Генри Киссинджера косит lol
  8. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 10 August 2020 09: 01 New
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    Without even visiting the region and not talking with the locals, Kravchuk tells what issues he will discuss and what he will not.

    Well, he certainly knows better from the mountain.
    Imagine himself as the ultimate truth
  9. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 10 August 2020 09: 01 New
    0
    Interesting position. Why, then, in 1991, Mr. (and at that time still a "comrade") Kravchuk did not ask himself a question about the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Soviet Union, but hurried to Kiev to announce a "change"?
    А что бы вы хотели от "хороброга хлопца".
  10. sergo1914
    sergo1914 10 August 2020 09: 02 New
    +5
    Ours need to send Gorbachev there. There will be a circus.
    1. RUnnm
      RUnnm 10 August 2020 09: 09 New
      -1
      I'm afraid he'll give a couple of our regions to Ukraine without batting an eye.
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 10 August 2020 09: 13 New
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        Quote: RUnnm
        I'm afraid he'll give a couple of our regions to Ukraine without batting an eye.


        Not. He's a wall-demolition expert. They will go with Kravchuk to break Yatsenyuk's wall.
        1. RUnnm
          RUnnm 10 August 2020 09: 14 New
          0
          Do you think they will be able to find this Cyclopean defensive structure? His Yaytsenyuk is probably only on paper to find and can ...
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 10 August 2020 12: 15 New
      0
      Zhirik or Grudinina)
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 10 August 2020 09: 04 New
    +1
    Kravchuk said that he himself intends to mark the "red lines" in the negotiation process,

    Он это серьёзно? Дедулю понесло, от "осознания" собственной "значимости" fool
  12. RUnnm
    RUnnm 10 August 2020 09: 08 New
    -1
    Какие то переговоры ради переговоров. Обе стороны прекрасно понимают, что нет никаких точек для сближения, но мы все равно даём пиариться на этой теме украинской стороне. Почему, например, не можем сказать, что готовы к переговорам только по итогам исполнения каждого пункта "формулы Штанмаера", или для согласования документов по ее исполнению? Я понимаю, что могут Россию обвинить в том, что она не участвует в переговорах, но разве не правильнее ли бы было изначально подготовиться - пару раундов, по итогам, фиксировать требования Украины, выходящие за рамки Минска , доводить их до ООН, пасе , Германии, Франции и потом открыто, с официальным объяснением причин не выйти, а приостановить участие до готовности проектов документов с украинской стороны...
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 August 2020 09: 46 New
    0
    he himself intends to mark the "red lines" in the negotiation process
    Обозначитель хренов, память теряет, а туда же - "красные линии". Пора завязывать с пустой болтовней на "Минсках" и "нормандских четверках". Он уже публично заявил, что для решения вопроса по Донбассу нужны Германия, Франция, Сша и конечно Украина. А Россию просто необходимо принудить выполнять минские соглашения (?). Практически тоже самое прочирикал и Кролик-Яценюк.
  14. iouris
    iouris 10 August 2020 10: 55 New
    0
    Kravchuk will do what he did not quite manage to do in 1991 (before the foundation and sho at this very place, never anyone's). Who will help him?
  15. Karaul73
    Karaul73 10 August 2020 11: 47 New
    -2
    What is the article about? And comments? Will everyone cry about the killed USSR?
    It's so late already. There and besides Kravchuk, the comrades had a hand. They wanted to become the owners as soon as possible.
  16. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 10 August 2020 15: 01 New
    -1
    Only now he is not sharing a common country, but his own and not with the party members, but with the KGB capitalists.
  17. Newven
    Newven 10 August 2020 19: 40 New
    0
    И снова эта , из "золотой обоймы" ЦК КПСС, вылезла.
  18. 1536
    1536 11 August 2020 11: 05 New
    0
    В 1991-м была Украинская советская социалистическая Республика. Можно было и поторговаться, и насчет "красных линий" помечтать, особенно под хорошую закуску. А что есть сейчас, в 2020-м? Одни санкции остались. Болезненные, спору нет, но об этом надо говорить не с тенью, а теми, кто эти санкции придумывает и воплощает в жизнь, используя эту тень. Мир давно изменился. Но если человек живет в придуманном или воображаемом мире, то разговоры с ним надо вести не за столом "переговоров", а в кабинете у врача-психиатра.