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Aerospace Forces squadrons instead of light MiG-35s are purchased by "heavyweights": Western press is concerned about the fate of the Russian fighter

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Columnist Thomas Newdick in the military-thematic section of the foreign publication The Drive is concerned about the "problems" and the fate of the Russian 4 ++ generation fighter MiG-35. It is a light multipurpose fighter that made its first flight in November 2016.


Thomas Newdick recalls that only six such fighters have been produced. Thomas Newdick's material at the same time bears the following title: "Why the Russian MiG-35 begins to look like a dead duck" (dead duck). A sort of play on the phrase "lame duck" (lame duck). The author hints that the aircraft was created, but is not widely used.

From the material:

Nearly four years after the first flight of the MiG-35, there are no signs of expected large-scale orders for a combat aircraft from the Russian Ministry of Defense. The fighter, which is described by the manufacturer as belonging to the 4 ++ generation, was purchased in only six units. It was hoped that by the end of 2019, the Russian defense department would place an order for 30 MiG-35 aircraft.


The foreign author notes that the tests of the light Russian fighter are still ongoing.

The author also writes that in Russia "the concept of using light fighters has not yet been worked out":

Instead of exchanging outdated versions of aircraft for new light MiG-35s, some squadrons switched to "heavyweights", for example, from the Sukhoi corporation.

The article points out that Russia, while demonstrating the latest combat aircraft at air shows, is looking for foreign customers. As you know, among such potential customers is the Indian Air Force. But they still continue to think about what kind of fighters to buy in addition to the French Rafales. At the same time, a foreign observer expresses bewilderment as to why Russia does not purchase massive quantities of MiG-35 aircraft for its VKS.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 9 August 2020 10: 01
    22 th
    Because they staked on the 5th generation, but ... Stalled. And so it happened.
    1. svp67
      svp67 9 August 2020 10: 11
      21
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Because they staked on the 5th generation, but ... Stalled. And so it happened.
      Yes, everything is more prosaic. If the head and his entourage of the KLA were natives of "Sukhoi", then in every possible way they squeezed the "MiG", according to "historical memory." And they brought the situation to the point that now, without a foreign order, the fate of the MiG-35, well, is very sad, very
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 9 August 2020 10: 35
        12
        Quote: svp67
        And they brought the situation to the point that now, without a foreign order, the fate of the MiG-35 is, well, very sad, very

        A strange tactic, isn't it? The fate of a domestic combat aircraft depends on foreign customers .. If the Union relied on demand abroad, we would hardly have the best military equipment in the world. The machine must be created for specific tasks that are facing our army. And in solving these problems should be the best. I think you need to create an airplane based on this goal, and not focus on selling.
        1. svp67
          svp67 9 August 2020 10: 49
          +4
          Quote: Svarog
          I think you need to create an airplane based on this goal, and not focus on selling.

          Imperialist Capitalists Think Differently
          1. PalBor
            PalBor 9 August 2020 13: 43
            +7
            It is more likely not imperialist capitalists here, but "effective managers-optimizers", nestlings of Serdyukov's nest, the Ministry of Finance, etc.
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 9 August 2020 16: 33
              -1
              Are you saying they are not capitalists ?! belay
              1. PalBor
                PalBor 9 August 2020 19: 56
                +5
                They are the employers of the capitalists. smile
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 11 August 2020 19: 31
                  0
                  Quote: PalBor
                  They are the employers of the capitalists. smile

                  Ah, I understood - adherents of socialism, but do what is written in the contract? laughing
        2. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 9 August 2020 11: 00
          10
          In Soviet times, we could afford both light and heavy fighters. In our time, when the aircraft fleet is significantly smaller than in the old days, aircraft with a large range are purchased, since the territory they should cover is not small.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 9 August 2020 11: 11
            +9
            Quote: Bad_gr
            In our time, when the aircraft fleet is significantly smaller than in the old days, aircraft with a large range are purchased, since the territory they should cover is not small.

            You are talking about technical characteristics .. I'm talking about something else. It is important to ask questions correctly, to clearly define goals, and only after that, work and create something. In this case, technical issues will be resolved and the output will be the best aircraft in the world.
            In other words, first correctly set priorities and goals, and then the product. Now, I have a clear understanding that there are no correctly set priorities and, as a result, we have what we have, and not only in aviation. It's even easier, measure seven times, cut once .. You have already been slapped a minus, although in general you are saying everything correctly, just about something else .. hi
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 9 August 2020 11: 55
              +8
              Quote: Svarog
              In other words, first the correct priorities and goals, and then the product.

              It is quite possible that they did so, and as a result - the purchase of Su-30, Su-35 fighters.
          2. 1Alexey
            1Alexey 9 August 2020 11: 44
            +6
            Quote: Bad_gr
            planes with a long range are being purchased, since the territory they should cover is not small

            I think that it is not only the range (although it is certainly important), but also the number of weapons on board the aircraft.

            Heavy Su-shki can lift a greater amount of combat weapons and therefore fight for a longer time than light MiG-35s.

            And, if earlier one of the important advantages of light fighters was their higher maneuverability compared to heavy ones, now, due to the super-maneuverability of Su-shek, this advantage is practically leveled.
          3. svp67
            svp67 9 August 2020 11: 56
            +7
            Quote: Bad_gr
            In Soviet times, we could afford both light and heavy fighters.

            A "light fighter" is a battlefield aircraft, a lighter strike aircraft than a pure fighter. The same MiG-29 could shoot down an enemy plane, and throw bombs on the enemy, and "comb it" with a gun on the ground ...
            And for the same amount, you can simply release them more than heavy ones
            1. storm
              storm 12 August 2020 09: 00
              0
              The prices for the Su-30SM and MiG-35 are practically the same, so that big and reliable Su is better than the experimental MiG
        3. businessv
          businessv 9 August 2020 11: 43
          +4
          Quote: Svarog
          The machine must be created for certain tasks that are facing our army. And in solving these problems should be the best.
          The fact of the matter, colleague, is that when these aircraft were created, there was no clear idea of ​​their use, hence the problems. This is what the author noted
          The author also writes that in Russia "the concept of using light fighters has not yet been worked out"
          To put it bluntly, no one sees air combat as a means of achieving tactical / strategic advantage. Intercepting / escorting strategists with light fighters is also a dubious pleasure, due to the high price of the aircraft, which is unknown when and where it may come in handy, so the practical use of the MiG-35 looks problematic, despite its excellent performance characteristics. This is my personal, incompetent opinion.
        4. U-58
          U-58 9 August 2020 14: 33
          +4
          Well, it was created as a replacement for the 29-model.
          Only there is no money to replace it and will not be ..
          1. DIM (a)
            DIM (a) 11 August 2020 13: 49
            0
            The MiG-35 is a light fighter designed for air superiority, just like the MiG-29. That is, according to the strategy of application, massive air battles were assumed, as analogues of Korea and Vietnam. At the moment, such events are not implied, that is, for Russia, a direct clash with NATO. Therefore, there is no order, there are no strategic reasons, but to sell to India or Pakistan ... already profit and production. IMHO
        5. Kuroneko
          Kuroneko 9 August 2020 18: 33
          +1
          Quote: Svarog
          A strange tactic, isn't it? The fate of the domestic combat aircraft depends on foreign customers

          And nothing that India, with its order for the T-90S, actually saved UVZ in the "holy 90s"?
          So for our defense industry this is more likely reality. You can also remember the "Terminator" - here already thanks to orders from Algeria.
        6. EnGenius
          EnGenius 11 August 2020 09: 36
          -1
          Everything is quite prosaic, the MiG-35 is much more attractive in terms of acquisition cost and operating costs for export customers. It is also prosaic that in order to re-equip the Russian Aerospace Forces, it is also impossible to avoid the production of the MiG-35 to maintain the Air Force fleet and to replace the MiG-29, which will probably be exported to Africa. Because it is stupid to produce the Su-30/34/35 and Su-57 without the opening of new production sites. Therefore, the MiG-35 follows a leftover principle - purchasing Su in a higher priority. Therefore, the MiG-35 was finished up to the serial version and now they are building equipment for the production line, creating a reserve for units ...
        7. CBRE FB
          CBRE FB 7 October 2020 12: 28
          0
          If the Union did not spend 60% of the budget on the army, the Union would not have grunted.
      2. d4rkmesa
        d4rkmesa 9 August 2020 11: 15
        +8
        The MiG-35 could have been saved only by AFAR, but something has not grown there in 20 years. Either in terms of mass, or in terms of energy, the apparatus does not pull. And without AFAR, it is almost impossible to sell a fighter now.
        1. Hexenmeister
          Hexenmeister 9 August 2020 18: 28
          +2
          The MiG-35 could have saved only AFAR, but something has not grown there in 20 years.
          For 20 years, it was possible to receive several radars from alternative developers, but for some reason they expect from their own, the old, more like global problems that they cannot solve, and feed those around them with promises of a bright future, but the day after tomorrow.
        2. EnGenius
          EnGenius 11 August 2020 10: 06
          0
          For African countries, AFAR is too expensive, and the PFAR will come in there. Therefore, all three options are being developed, starting with a slotted one.
      3. Liam
        Liam 9 August 2020 11: 21
        -2
        Quote: svp67
        Yes, everything is more prosaic

        The version that everyone abandons it simply because it is a frankly bad plane not even to consider?
        1. bayard
          bayard 9 August 2020 14: 40
          +3
          Quote: Liam
          The version that everyone abandons it simply because it is a frankly bad plane not even to consider?

          Don't write nonsense. The plane is good, and the only thing it lacks is an airborne radar with AFAR. As well as a normal order for your own army.
          Egypt and India have purchased / are purchasing the latest versions of the MiG-29, and are happy with them. The new MiG-35 has much higher operational characteristics, higher flight qualities. And he really likes those representatives of the Air Force of the countries of potential buyers who managed to get to know him. But without AFAR, it's ... not complete. So they are waiting for him in full form.
          And in the Russian Aerospace Forces, he is not needed without a political decision on the deployment of 10 - 15 new fighter aviation regiments. The small number of Russian fighter aircraft is compensated by the quality of its combat units - only heavy fighters. Except for a small number of iap on old MiG-29s.
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 9 August 2020 21: 06
            +1
            It is unlikely that the reason is in the phased array, they would want to do what is needed, our country is the first who learned to do them. The reasons are clearly different, most likely there is no money for a normal series, and there are only about three regiments with aircraft such as the mig-29 left, and there were purchases of the mig-29x, that is, the cars are mostly not old. To buy the Mig-35, you need to form new regiments and squadrons, and this is a serious burden on the budget.
            1. bayard
              bayard 9 August 2020 22: 00
              -2
              Quote: Herman 4223
              It is unlikely that the reason is in the phased array, they would like to do what is needed, our country is the first who learned how to make them

              The lattice is different. PFAR is no longer particularly quoted (Su-30 \ 35), AFAR in the Russian Federation is hard to be born. How much fuss with the Belka for the Su-57? And to this day, what the result is unknown. So for the MiG-35, in words "we can", in fact ... "we can do it if we really want to, but not right away, expensively, then ...".
              Very big problems with our own electronic component base. And you can't buy that at the bazaar (international market).
              1. Herman 4223
                Herman 4223 9 August 2020 23: 06
                0
                Obviously, everything is fine with the squirrel, since the plane with it was put into mass production, vryatli the car would have been accepted with unprepared systems. As for the "pfar is not particularly skating", it is more an element of propaganda than the truth, pfar simply does not exist and was not on Western cars, but we have used it for a very long time. Their capabilities do not differ much, and for light fighters, the pfar is more preferable in my opinion, since there is no large area of ​​the antenna array, it is simpler and has greater efficiency. And the L-band antennas, in our radars, the barrier at the mig-31, or the leopard on the su-30, were always active, that is, AFAR.
                1. bayard
                  bayard 9 August 2020 23: 23
                  0
                  Interference immunity. And a number of other options.
                  It is now difficult to sell a combat fighter without a modern AFAR. And his videoconferencing does not need it yet.
                  1. Herman 4223
                    Herman 4223 9 August 2020 23: 55
                    0
                    It is possible to obtain much higher power from the same antenna area - there is no danger of breakdown of waveguides, when supplying large energy from a single powerful transmitter.
                    That is, if the antenna area is large, then it is better to make an AFAR, if not, then the PFAR will be more profitable.
                    Otherwise, their capabilities are the same.
                    1. bayard
                      bayard 10 August 2020 17: 44
                      0
                      Quote: Herman 4223
                      there is no danger of breakdown of waveguides, when supplying large energy from a single powerful transmitter.

                      But what about the multi-frequency signal? It is a large number of different-frequency samples, and not very high power, which allows not only to reduce susceptibility to interference, but also provides some "secrecy" of the radar transmitter's operation - a weak signal is perceived as remote and therefore less dangerous by means of an electronic signal.
                      As far as I am aware, the problem of APAR is in mastering the technology of cell / module generators based on gallium carbide, because gallium arsenide has temperature limitations, and therefore power limitations.
                      For the most part, it's materials science. Well, and the possibility of excluding scanning zones with sources of interference, which allows you to work in a difficult jamming environment without feeling all the harmful effects of the enemy's electronic warfare equipment.
                      But this is already from the software field ...
                      In general, there are systemic problems that require a fundamental approach.
                  2. EnGenius
                    EnGenius 11 August 2020 10: 09
                    0
                    A dozen countries are ready to overpay for AFAR, and with the exception of China and India, all of them are "developed" NATO countries screwed to the United States and their overlords - Japan, South Korea, Australia, and Ugly Britain.
      4. VO3A
        VO3A 9 August 2020 12: 02
        +6
        Everything is banal and simple, they simply cannot be released. One plane a year! All components, if they are not unified with the control system, are produced individually ... There is not only capacity, but also the possibility of increasing production. It turns out that the plane is very expensive and unprofitable ... Who came up with the idea of ​​transferring, allegedly, production to Lukhovitsy ... Even in his time, he conditionally passed certification in terms of the number of aircraft. It was necessary to have 4 test flying samples, but there were only 3 ... Above MIG, and inside the SU ... We must admit it already ... That's why they are rushing with the association ... Suppliers only for MIG-35 (29) were killed Long ago ... It's good that the engines remained, but it is difficult to deploy them to SU units ... When they understand that they need to make a Sukhov single-engine light aircraft ...
        1. bayard
          bayard 9 August 2020 14: 46
          +5
          Quote: VO3A
          Everything is banal and simple, they simply cannot be released. One plane a year!

          Not true . For external customers, the latest versions of MiG-29s are produced at a normal pace. And the plant in Lukhovitsy reported its readiness to produce up to 36 MiG-35s per year - to bring the plant to this production rate in 2 - 3 years.
          It's just that the RF Aerospace Forces rate today is ONLY on heavy fighters. The country is huge, the distances are great, the trained pilots and aircraft technicians are LITTLE, the money for the deployment of new air regiments is not given. So I compensate for the insufficient quantity - with quality.
          1. VO3A
            VO3A 9 August 2020 16: 19
            0
            Not true . For external customers, the latest versions of MiG-29s are produced at a normal pace.

            These are old ones from MO stocks! Well, you and the Storyteller ...
            1. bayard
              bayard 9 August 2020 17: 16
              +4
              Quote: VO3A
              These are old ones from MO stocks!

              And for Egypt?
              The Egyptian MiG-29 has the same fuselage as the MiG-35 - this is a transitional model.
      5. Sahalinets
        Sahalinets 9 August 2020 13: 13
        +5
        But the main problem here is not in lobbying. Although it is. It's just that the MiG is a plane stuck between classes. For example, the States have a pair of F-15 + F-16. One is heavy, twin-engine, the other is light, single-engine. And the second was much cheaper than the first! Moreover, they have the same engines, as well as a bunch of equipment.
        And what is such a special difference between drying and flashing? Both are twin-engine, and the engines are completely different, different avionics, but the moment is inferior to the su in almost everything. And given the size of our country, range is extremely important. So the question arises - why is this moment needed at all?
      6. bayard
        bayard 9 August 2020 14: 23
        +6
        Quote: svp67
        Yes, everything is more prosaic. If the head and his entourage of the KLA were natives of "Sukhoi", then in every possible way they squeezed the "MiG", according to "historical memory." And they brought the situation to the point that now, without a foreign order, the fate of the MiG-35, well, is very sad, very

        I think that the reason is not only this, but also that the number of deployed air regiments is limited. It is limited by both the available military budget, staffing, and the availability of trained pilots. It got to the point that the number of squadrons in the regiments was reduced to TWO!
        And in such a situation of numerical limitations, the question arises - which aircraft to buy? What aircraft should the regiments be re-equipped with the MiG-29? If the "light" MiG-35 - less hassle with the retraining of pilots, aircraft technicians, infrastructure ... But if these regiments are re-equipped with Su-35 or Su-30, the combat value of these regiments will increase dramatically, with the same number (and the same in fact) cash pilots and aircraft technicians.
        What to choose?
        The answer is obvious - they chose heavy fighters, on which the return on combat effectiveness from each pilot is higher.
        And on the good, for the Aerospace Forces, it is desirable to deploy at least 10 more fighter regiments (and the same number of regiments for naval aviation). But this requires new / restored airfields (main, spare, jump), the entire ground infrastructure for them, housing, social services, to prepare an additional required number of pilots and aircraft technicians ... This is time, MONEY, organizational chores. Therefore, with all these troubles and in no hurry.
        Capitalism.
        It is much easier to re-equip all existing IAPs on heavy fighters and increase the combat capabilities of fighter aircraft with the available number of air regiments ... but it will be very, very difficult to sell a combat fighter abroad that is not in service with your army.
        What we observe.
      7. vVvAD
        vVvAD 10 August 2020 01: 45
        +1
        Sadly, but in its current form this aircraft is not needed by the army: the combat radius and load are less, the radar is worse, the maneuverability is not higher, the weight and 2 engines hint at not much lower operating costs, there is no unification with the Sushki employees, about the infrastructure for it generally keep quiet. Is that in the deck version, but with the carriers, as you know, everything is also bad.
        A light aircraft, of course, is needed, but not in this form and not at such a price.
        Watch your hands: Su and MiG have been united under the wing of the UAC - the required unification and reduction in price, incl. training of flight personnel, the ability to use the common infrastructure and power supply unit - for new developments. Upgrading the MiG-35 to meet these requirements is like creating a new aircraft.
        So now the MiG is developing a 5th generation light fighter - perhaps the only reasonable and promising way out under current conditions.
        1. bayard
          bayard 10 August 2020 18: 54
          +1
          Quote: vVvAD
          So now the MiG is developing a 5th generation light fighter - perhaps the only reasonable and promising way out under current conditions.

          Yes, it looks like it's still a long way to develop it, while the design of the appearance of this aircraft is still being worked out. The MiG had a proposal for the UAE to develop a lightweight fighter of the 5th generation in the dimensions and weights of the MiG-29 \ 35, with engines of 11 kg / s, but the negotiations apparently did not end with a contract. Now there will be a study for the future, because the Su-000 is still a heavy fighter and there will hardly be many of them. And on the market, the light will go more fun. Moreover, this is a prospect for 57 years.
          And the MiG-35 could well have been purchased for 2 - 4 regiments, those on the MiG-29, but the MiG-35 is simply not yet ready for radar. Without the new AFAR radar, the VKS is not needed, so they are waiting, having purchased only 6 pieces.
          And they are waiting for orders from MiG-29 operators.
          And there are enough people willing, but everyone is also waiting for AFAR.

          And if our flying universities are still born with young lieutenants so much that it will be enough not only to replace veterans, but also to form new regiments ... fighters. And their use where the capabilities of heavy fighters will be redundant will quite harmonize the protection of the borders of the beloved Fatherland.
      8. 3danimal
        3danimal 10 August 2020 10: 52
        -1
        Corporate squabbles and intrigues turned out to be more important ..: request
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 9 August 2020 10: 20
      -3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Because they staked on the 5th generation, but ... Stalled. And so it happened.

      Most likely, they decided to finish off the MIG by economic methods.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 9 August 2020 22: 21
        +2
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        decided to finish off the MIG by economic methods.

        Sadly all this ...
        But what about the ALLEY of MIGOV !?
    3. antivirus
      antivirus 9 August 2020 10: 49
      -9
      no and no. transition to the 6th generation - that's the goal only the SU can pull the 6th.
      MiG and F- in span.
  2. iouris
    iouris 9 August 2020 10: 01
    +4
    Indeed, "foreign customers" always buy an aircraft that has already proven itself in mass operation.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 9 August 2020 10: 12
      +1
      Quote: iouris
      foreign customers "always buy an aircraft that has already proven itself in mass operation.

      Well, of course. Who needs a cat in a poke
  3. Mechanocleap
    Mechanocleap 9 August 2020 10: 03
    0
    Well, probably they are waiting for generation 5 to make a moment))
  4. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 9 August 2020 10: 04
    +1
    Columnist Thomas Newdick in the military-themed section of the overseas publication The Drive preoccupied "problems" and the fate of the Russian 4 ++ generation fighter MiG-35.
    preoccupied - already funny repeat ."problems" and fate - we will decide in due time, do not fuss under your feet. recourse
    1. Shilka
      Shilka 9 August 2020 10: 08
      -1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Columnist Thomas Newdick in the military-themed section of the overseas publication The Drive preoccupied "problems" and the fate of the Russian 4 ++ generation fighter MiG-35.
      preoccupied - already funny repeat ."problems" and fate - we will decide in due time, do not fuss under your feet. recourse

      Nice comment, thanks hi And then I was already worried that it was wrong ..
      The main thing is that everything goes according to plan and does not offend oneself .. While Russia has not enough modern fighters, and the world is not calm.
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 9 August 2020 10: 14
      -1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Columnist Thomas Newdick in the military-themed section of the overseas publication The Drive preoccupied "problems" and the fate of the Russian 4 ++ generation fighter MiG-35.
      preoccupied - already funny repeat ."problems" and fate - we will decide in due time, do not fuss under your feet. recourse

      Straight night does not sleep so worries No.
    3. vik669
      vik669 9 August 2020 10: 21
      -4
      We will decide in due time - well, how much more snot will you chew or the wages allow for decades - at one time I knew why and how quickly the MIG-31 (product 01) appeared, so it still flies and is modernized, and the MIG, which is 35th being modernized, but not .. .!
  5. MY THOUGHT
    MY THOUGHT 9 August 2020 10: 05
    +8
    Probably because it stands as heavy, but the performance does not hold up to it request
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 9 August 2020 10: 21
      +7
      Exactly. Although, in my opinion, it would be worth re-equipping the BF Air Force with the MiG-35, and perhaps it was still worth forming a third regiment for the Navy, also in the North. So that the fleet has two regiments on the MiG-35, and the regiment on the MiG-29KR / KUBR, and it would be possible to pass all the pilots through the coastal regiment, and from there already recruit pilots to 100 KIAP.
      1. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 9 August 2020 10: 45
        +3
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        Although in my opinion it would be worth re-equipping the BF Air Force on the MiG-35

        What for ? what
        No, I get what you mean ... But why BF? In the Crimea - "Thread". In the north - "Kuznetsov". And in the Baltic, Su-shki in life, 27th and 30th. What is the point of replanting (retraining) pilots?
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 9 August 2020 11: 00
          +1
          I will state my logic,
          So the North - yes 100 KIAP is understandable, in addition to it, you can form a coastal regiment. There's a meaning.
          Further to the Black Sea Fleet. Does it make sense to have one regiment on the MiG-35? Certain is ...
          Now Baltika - 689 IAP to this day flies on non-modernized Su-27. By the way, the unmodernized Su-27 remained in KOR and Crimea. maybe it makes sense to change them to the MiG-35. Considering that the distances in KOR are minimal, such a solution is not the worst option.
          At least all this is debatable. Do not forget that if we put Kuznetsov back into operation at 100 KIAP, it is worth forming the 3rd squadron ... + a couple of boards to replace the lost
          36 MiGs + a helicopter squadron on an aircraft carrier may well be based .........
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 9 August 2020 11: 47
            0
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            So North - yes 100 KIAP is clear

            Where is the main one, Su-33. laughing
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Further to the Black Sea Fleet. Does it make sense to have one regiment on the MiG-35?

            May be. According to the Crimean Air Force, I have no "internal" data.
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Now Baltika - 689 IAP to this day flies on unmodernized Su-27.

            This is true, but there is hope for a replacement for the Su-35. We are waiting ...
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Considering that the distances in KOR are minimal, such a solution is not the worst option.

            Now yes. But everything can change. AWACS will fly outside the range of the S-400, and this is no longer the minimum distance.
            Apart from the "financial" component, I do not see a difference between the MiG-35 and the Su-35 (27SM). Yes, and it is questionable, both have 2 engines.
            Incidentally, 4th OGMShAP on the Su-24 and ... On the Su-30SM. The home base is the same. Do you think it is easier for the Su-27 pilot to change to the Su-30, if that ... Or to the MiG? wink
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 9 August 2020 11: 58
              0
              Quote: LiSiCyn
              Where is the main one, Su-33.

              In 100 KIAPs - MiG-29K, 22 cars. Su-33 in 279 KIAP. God forbid there are 12 alive.
              Quote: LiSiCyn
              but there is hope for a replacement, for the Su-35.

              This is certainly better ..

              Quote: LiSiCyn
              Do you think it is easier for the Su-27 pilot to change to the Su-30, if that ... Or to the MiG?

              Can not say anything. I understand one thing in the purchase of a certain number of MiG-35s for the Navy makes sense. Certain. At worst. tp Better than the mess in the Navy MA that takes place ...
              1. bayard
                bayard 9 August 2020 16: 00
                0
                Su-30s are being purchased for naval aviation, and they are unlikely to create a zoo here. Especially on light fighters. Without a political decision to increase the number of IAPs in the Aerospace Forces, purchases of the MiG-35 are unlikely to be possible. The Russian Aerospace Forces has a limited number of trained pilots and aircraft technicians, there is a serious shortage of them, and even an increased set of cadets has not yet given an effect. Therefore, those who are and sit on heavy fighters - so it is more efficient to use the existing ones.
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 9 August 2020 16: 06
                  0
                  Quote: bayard
                  Su-30 is unlikely to create a zoo here either. Especially on light fighters.


                  In fact, he is already a reality. Instead of ordering the Su-33M, they ordered the MiG-29K. Yes, and for the Baltic MiG, reasonable sufficiency ... And with the pilots of the Moscow Region and Co., let them kiss themselves on the fifth point with their personnel games. First, a contract was invented - they say if you behave badly, we don't even need to fire you - we just won't renew the contract. And here's how it came out Mikhalych. If you have already entered the Military Institute, if you please, a contract for 15 years of service as an officer, etc. etc.
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 9 August 2020 17: 11
                    +3
                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    In fact, he is already a reality. Instead of ordering the Su-33M, they ordered the MiG-29K.

                    This is carrier-based aircraft, and I'm talking about a coast-based IAP. They only began to be revived for a few years, and the Su-30SM was chosen for these regiments. Usually these are mixed regiments, with one squadron preparing to strike against surface targets, and the other for interception and aerial combat. Pilots are trained for different tasks, but on a single plane. On the MiG-35, strikes against surface targets are limited by the capabilities of the carrier. Only X-35 and X-31. The Su-30 can also lift a heavier anti-ship missile, and the number of lungs will take 1,5-2 times more. And the combat radius when flying over the sea DOES matter.
                    The MiG-35 is good as a front-line tactical fighter.
                    For the Western theater of operations.
                    And for the Baltic - the very thing.
                    But the Northern Fleet and the Pacific Fleet are only heavy fighters. Such distances are only for them.
                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    And with the pilots of the Moscow Region and Co., let them kiss themselves in the ass with their personnel games. First, a contract was invented - they say if you behave badly, we don't even need to fire you - we just won't renew the contract. And here's how it came out Mikhalych. If you have already entered the Military Institute, if you please, a contract for 15 years of service as an officer, etc. etc.

                    Then the flight schools were closed or the recruitment was stopped for several years - "we have too many pilots." And now (actually back in 2015) - a request to the veterans to stay in the service for "another 5 years."
                    And after all, today's guys are not very eager to go to flight schools - they accept everyone who is fit for health.
                    And as before, the pilots are NOT ENOUGH.
                    Serdyukov?
                    Medvedev? (Russian President at that time)
                    Shoigu?
                    Putin?
                    Awareness of the problem - it became apparent at least in 2015 (actually earlier), did not lead to its solution.
                    Why
                    Flight schools were closed / liquidated.
                    Aviation Academies are closed \ "optimized".
                    And a surrogate was created instead.
                    The school is lost.
                    And the traders on the drum of defense.
                    Real.
                    But the bravura marches are getting louder.
                    Before RYAV it was the same.
                    1. Cyril G ...
                      Cyril G ... 9 August 2020 20: 08
                      +1
                      Yes, I kind of agree with you on all points. Practically.
                      - admission to military institutes, to put it mildly, an unpleasant question. Firstly. The state is puffed up to attach the children of the elite, so that there is someone to protect it, but they definitely don't need to fuck. And at the same time, they are trying to complicate the flow of people from poor strata.
                      - In terms of the fleet, nevertheless, I think we need a minimum of 2 regiments for 29 in order to be able to select deck ships and rotate between the south and north. This is just important ...
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 9 August 2020 13: 32
        0
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        it would be worth re-equipping the BF Air Force on the MiG-35

        Their "drying" is quite satisfied. What problem, the overwhelming Su-30/35 can solve the MiG-35
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 9 August 2020 13: 36
          +2
          They cannot suit ... the BF Air Force today is about 18-20 Su-27S / P unmodernized + pieces of 3 Su-27UB and pieces of 8 Su-30SM, you are sure that it is not time to change the 40-43 year old Su-27 of Soviet times ? I will remind you that there was no modernity ...
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 9 August 2020 16: 11
            0
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Are you sure that it's not time to replace 40-43 year old Su-27s from Soviet times? I will remind you that there was no modernity ...

            Are you sure that they want the MiG-35, not the Su-30/35? When in the process of rearmament, which in our conditions of "rapid mass production" of MiGs, may drag on for decades, at this time they will have two different types of aircraft, with all the resulting "hemorrhoids"
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 9 August 2020 16: 23
              0
              The Navy, in principle, does not know what it needs .... The MiG can build at least 10 aircraft a year while
          2. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 10 August 2020 09: 53
            0
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            it's time to change 40-43 year old Su-27


            I apologize, I was mistaken, of course 30-33 year old Su-27. The buildings of the late 80s are 92 years old.
    2. Doctor
      Doctor 9 August 2020 11: 45
      +6
      Probably because it costs like a heavy one, and request does not reach it.

      TTX here compared Skomorokhov:

      MiG-35 / Su-35С

      Empty weight, kg: 11000 / 19500
      Maximum take-off weight, kg: 23700 / 34500
      Fuel weight, kg: 5830 / 11500
      Combat load, kg: 6500 / 8000
      Engine thrust, kgf: 2 × 5500 / 2 × 8800
      Traction on afterburner, kgf: 2 × 9400 / 2 × 14500
      Maximum speed at height, km / h: 2400 / 2500
      Maximum ground speed, km / h: 1400 / 1400
      Fighting radius, km: 1000 / 1500
      Practical ceiling, m: 17500 / 20000
      Rate of climb, m / s: 330 / 280

      In general, the ceiling, combat radius and combat load are lower. The climb rate is noticeably higher.

      BUT. It costs almost 2 times less than the Su-35. And it builds faster.
      https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3617998.html
      For the Su 35 - the last contract - 48 aircraft for 100 billion rubles (2 billion apiece).

      Twice as many planes for the same money.
      WWII showed what a massive, cheap aircraft for the war is.
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 9 August 2020 12: 06
        +2
        Quote: Arzt
        It costs almost 2 times less than the Su-35. And builds faster

        Where does the data come from? According to various sources, the difference in price by a maximum of 30%, the speed of construction of the Mig cannot be faster, MiGs are produced piece by piece, Su is serially produced. The cost of an hour of flight is also not very different. MiGs do not have such a price difference as you write, in all other respects the Su30 / 35 surpasses it.
        The choice of our army Su 30/35 is more than logical and correct. They are really the best aircraft in their class, with huge modernization potential.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 9 August 2020 12: 12
          +1
          Here the question of the Navy MA was raised above. There the sailors drove their aviation to Zh ...
          The MiG-35 makes sense as part of the MA and in Eribuni. FSE.
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 9 August 2020 12: 15
            +1
            I agree. No wonder the US Navy adopted the F / A-18, it is closest to the MiG 29. For the tasks of the fleet, the most suitable vehicle.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 9 August 2020 12: 18
              +2
              The most important thing is the ability to select flight personnel for an aircraft carrier, as a bonus.
              In principle, in order to store the MiG, I would send the MiG-35 to the navy. And as a naval drummer in the ocean theater of the Su-34.
              1. bayard
                bayard 9 August 2020 16: 27
                +1
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                In principle, in order to store the MiG, I would send the MiG-35 to the navy. And as a naval drummer in the ocean theater of the Su-34.

                And is the value of a light fighter with a maximum range of 1000 km great? When flying over water?
                How many and what kind of weapons he can take.
                Can it be truly multifunctional?
                In the case of completing tasks for surface targets?
                And if this is compared with the Su-30, Su-35 and Su-34?
                Such fighters (MiG-35) are justified and needed in the Western theater of operations, in the Baltic they are just as justified, but as an addition to the existing heavy fighters.
                Until we have enough trained fighter pilots, the purchase of only heavy fighters is justified. This will maximize the return on each pilot. request
                Alas, this is so.
          2. Doctor
            Doctor 9 August 2020 12: 33
            0
            Here the question of the Navy MA was raised above. There the sailors drove their aviation to Zh ...
            The MiG-35 makes sense as part of the MA and in Eribuni. FSE.

            And what is so "sea" about it?
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 9 August 2020 12: 36
              0
              Only as a unification of the MiG as a ship and coastal information security
              1. Doctor
                Doctor 9 August 2020 13: 11
                +1
                Only as a unification of the MiG as a ship and coastal information security

                Hope dies last winked
                To be in time for a new AB, it's time to start developing a UAV like the Reaper.
                By 2030, the puzzle will be complete.
                1. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 9 August 2020 13: 28
                  0
                  Reaper is deprecated. For the Aerospace Forces and the Navy, massive jet unmanned fighter-bombers are needed according to the normal scheme. As wingmen for the Su-30/34/35/57.
        2. Doctor
          Doctor 9 August 2020 12: 28
          +4
          Where does the data come from?

          According to the State Armaments Program for 2011-2020, it was planned to purchase 37 production MiG-35S fighters for the Russian Air Force (VKS), worth about 37 billion rubles.
          That is, 1 yard apiece.
          MiGs do not have such a price difference as you write, in all other respects the Su30 / 35 surpasses it.

          Let it be 80% cheaper. But what is superior in performance characteristics? Is the combat radius 500 km less? So Hornet has a total of 700 km. And why do we need a large radius in defense?
          The ceiling is noticeable, but the rate of climb is higher. The speeds are almost equal, and the combat load in modern combat is not so significant. Here at least once to have time to shoot.

          But the price is yes. This is the key question. Our history shows - in all wars riveted more and faster, even at the expense of quality.
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 9 August 2020 13: 07
            +1
            Quote: Arzt
            According to the State Arms Program for 2011-2020 years was supposed purchase of 37 production MiG-35S fighters for the Russian Air Force (VKS) worth about 37 billion rubles.

            In 2011 year was supposed for 1 lard per unit, at a price of $ 30-32.
            In 2009 was signed contract for 48 Su 35 for 66 lard, we get 1,38 lard at a price of 29-30 dollars.
            And where is the 2 times difference?
            In 2015, the Su 35 went up in price by 1,5 times, and how long did it rise in price 35? (USD exchange rate 56-72 rubles)
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 9 August 2020 13: 09
              0
              In 2015, the Su 35 went up in price by 1,5 times, and how long did it rise in price 35? (USD exchange rate 56-72 rubles)

              I agree, everything is muddy with prices. But an airplane weighing almost 2 times less cannot cost the same. Even taking into account that the main contribution to the cost is made by electronics.
              1. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 9 August 2020 13: 24
                0
                Maybe “metal” is not the main cost item in the price. Technologically, the two aircraft are similar. 2 engines, the avionics are similar, the manufacturing processes are similar. Cheaper only due to the "metal".
                This can explain the 30% difference in price, but no more.
          2. bayard
            bayard 9 August 2020 16: 33
            +1
            They wrote everything correctly, but where to get pilots for them?
            And how much does it cost to train a good fighter pilot versus the cost of an airplane? While there are few pilots, it is more practical to plant the existing ones on aircraft with the highest possible combat characteristics. This will maximize the return on each pilot.
      2. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 9 August 2020 12: 12
        +3
        Quote: Arzt
        WWII showed what a massive, cheap aircraft for the war is.

        Times change. Where will you get the pilots, "cheap and massive"?
        Quote: Arzt
        Twice as many planes for the same money.

        There are more planes, operating costs are not much lower. Functionality, a lot.
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 9 August 2020 12: 32
          +1
          Times change. Where will you get the pilots, "cheap and massive"?

          This is a different question. Well now, leave 100 planes with Asami?
          There are more planes, operating costs are not much lower. Functionality, a lot.

          I agree here.
      3. bayard
        bayard 9 August 2020 16: 11
        0
        "The price is two times lower" - this is hardly. It is unlikely that the difference is more than one and a half times. As well as the main characteristics.
        But the planes still need pilots, aircraft technicians, infrastructure ... While we have SO few trained pilots ... only heavy fighters will be purchased for the Aerospace Forces.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 August 2020 10: 07
    +2
    It turns out that it is not so necessary. It is not very light either, in terms of the concept of use it is close to Su. Another engine, another avionics ... Load on logistics ... additional. This I fantasize. About the reasons for such coldness to Migam.
    1. vik669
      vik669 9 August 2020 10: 11
      -4
      At the end of 2006, the new fighter was assigned the MiG-35 single-seat design and the MiG-35D double-seat design, and since then .... only the MiG-35 has no analogue in the world and no more, but it's already 2020! At least they changed the sign and not wiped the dust!
  7. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 9 August 2020 10: 13
    10
    Russia is increasing the number of Su-35s in its Air Force. And it is right.
    It is an effective close-range fighter with a long range. It can work as both an interceptor and a drummer.
    Of course, it's a pity that the Su-57 stalled in production ...
  8. Python 57
    Python 57 9 August 2020 10: 17
    +6
    Because MIL is not easy. Practically, he's in the same niche as the Su family. Only he is worse.
    1. Alexey G
      Alexey G 9 August 2020 14: 05
      0
      8,5 tons difference between empty ...
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 9 August 2020 10: 47
    -1
    To be in demand, desired both here and over the hill, the plane should not only be good, it should be VERY GOOD!
    Yes, and also fit into the concept, strategy, military or some other, political, for example, aspects of those who can give the go-ahead for the purchase of such equipment!
    In general, divination of what and who needs us is planned and will be carried out.
  10. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 9 August 2020 10: 53
    -3
    in the West, this is an ordinary paid tryndezh in the name of the struggle for the arms markets ... other meanings are futile to look for ... and there is a place in the construction of the Russian Armed Forces ... since the complex is developed and tested, it means it has a place in the plans for equipping and using ... everything has its time and place ...
  11. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 9 August 2020 10: 57
    -3
    [/ quote] Columnist Thomas Newdick in the military-thematic section of the foreign publication The Drive is concerned about the "problems" and the fate of the Russian MiG-4 generation 35 ++ fighter. [Quote]
    ... the answer to the anxious comes from the classics ... do not flicker blotter)))
  12. zloba71
    zloba71 9 August 2020 11: 01
    +1
    Mig 35 is good! But for our huge country, Drying is preferable, because its combat radius is almost 2 times larger. For some small country, such as Serbia and Belarus, the Mig would be just right.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 9 August 2020 11: 19
      +8
      Two engines. Moreover, they provide only thrust-to-weight ratio (and not a record one). No additional chips like the OVT like the Su-30 from Irkut or the Su-35.

      Price - it is lower than that of the Su-30 from Irkut, but not critical, while the aircraft itself is inferior to the Su-30 in a number of important parameters.

      Lack of knowledge. To bring an airplane with a slotted radar to the market even in the 2000s is very bold and incompetent. Now 2020 - the proposed radar is still a slotted Zhuk-M. Beetle-MA is promised soon. But again, there is no news about the beginning of flight tests of AFAR on the MiG, only bench tests (that is, on the ground). The same is true for containers - a necessary attribute of any MFI on the market today. But at least there were flight tests and some export ones were even supplied.

      Serbia - as a gift or at a wild discount.
      Belarus is a gift, I would not be surprised if they buy on credit what thread of Chinese cars, this is a trend now. With each parade, increase the number of Chinese or Chinese samples collected in Belarus.
    2. Alexey G
      Alexey G 9 August 2020 14: 08
      0
      1000 versus 1500 is it twice ???
  13. Koval Sergey
    Koval Sergey 9 August 2020 11: 12
    +2
    Columnist Thomas Newdick in the military-thematic section of the foreign publication The Drive is concerned about the "problems" and the fate of the Russian 4 ++ generation fighter MiG-35

    What a "preoccupied" author, this Thomas Newdick lol
  14. Indifferent
    Indifferent 9 August 2020 12: 18
    +2
    Training battles Migi lose to Dryers. This one is written by the authors here on this site. Hence the conclusion suggests itself: why do you need many moments? Its radius is much smaller, its speed is lower, it takes less weapons, and so on. Still, the concept of use should be proposed by aviators. Not amateurs.
  15. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 9 August 2020 12: 26
    0
    And what is the fate of the MiG35S? Presented 4 pieces without AFAR ..... ordered a batch and silence. It's been 5 years already.
  16. mag nit
    mag nit 9 August 2020 12: 30
    -1
    Six units? Enough for parades.
  17. Adimius38
    Adimius38 9 August 2020 12: 46
    0
    yes, in an instant a sad situation. But the country really lacks light fighters that are cheaper to maintain. Than each time to raise to intercept the Su-35, it was possible to raise the MIG-35. After all, the moment-29 was born as an interceptor. Fast, lightning fast. The Su-27 had a different specificity because of the class it was already like an attack aircraft and an air defense fighter that could hang in the air for a long time somewhere on a large section of the border
    1. strelokmira
      strelokmira 9 August 2020 14: 02
      -4
      But the country really lacks light fighters that are cheaper to maintain.

      Not enough, but MIG-35 is not one of them
      Than each time to raise the su-35 to intercept, it was possible to raise the mig-35

      What's the point when the su-35 is 30% more expensive than the mig-35, besides, due to the unification, repair and maintenance will be cheaper for the su-35
      If for a moment I made an analogue of f-16, j-10 then it would make sense in production
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 9 August 2020 14: 22
        -2
        Quote: strelokmira
        If for a moment I made an analogue of f-16, j-10 then it would make sense in production

        Train has gone. It is necessary to make massive jet unmanned fighter-bombers according to the normal scheme. Su-30/34/35/57 manned enough.
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 9 August 2020 15: 06
        0
        There were such projects ... but then the MiG was separate ... and Sukhoi separately ...
    2. Hexenmeister
      Hexenmeister 9 August 2020 18: 18
      0
      The Su-27 had a different specificity because of the class it was already like a fighter attack aircraft
      According to the TZ, the Su-27 is a heavy front-line air superiority fighter, and certainly not an attack aircraft!
  18. Klingon
    Klingon 9 August 2020 13: 45
    +3
    Quote: Mechnocleap
    Well, probably they are waiting for generation 5 to make a moment))

    they already had a prototype of the MiG 1.44, but something went wrong. Without AFAR, starting from generation 4 ++, an aircraft has nothing to do on the battlefield
  19. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 9 August 2020 14: 26
    0
    At the same time, a foreign observer expresses bewilderment as to why Russia does not purchase massive quantities of MiG-35 aircraft for its VKS.

    What a caring though.
    And where does he know everything from?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 9 August 2020 15: 07
      +1
      Worries about the end of the once great company MiG ..... foreigners did not fight with the Sukhoi, but with might and main Migami. So they get upset
      1. Varaga
        Varaga 10 August 2020 13: 21
        0
        From Sukhoi they will still get snot.
  20. Red Alert
    Red Alert 9 August 2020 18: 09
    -3
    Quote: Bad_gr
    In Soviet times, we could afford both light and heavy fighters. In our time, when the aircraft fleet is significantly smaller than in the old days, aircraft with a large range are purchased, since the territory they should cover is not small.

    Everything was much better in the backward USSR than in democratic Russia.
    1. Varaga
      Varaga 10 August 2020 13: 24
      0
      I do not like?! Suitcase> Station> Pindo Stan. There they are waiting for such people with open arms - kissing blacks' feet.
  21. jaroff
    jaroff 9 August 2020 18: 30
    0
    Because it doesn't really exist. Trials are underway. And then, no shaky, no roll.
  22. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 9 August 2020 21: 50
    +2
    They are trying to discredit the competitors in the Indian tender
  23. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 9 August 2020 23: 39
    +1
    And no one has explained how the MiG-35 is superior to the conventional Su-35? Afar, which has eaten a bald head, is put on Su, and it will have to be put on during modernization.

    Is it cheaper? No (at least because of serial production).
    Is an hour of flight cheaper? No data.
    Faster (and cheaper) ground handling?

    Apparently, this is the maintenance of KB pants.
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 11 August 2020 15: 30
      0
      "put on the Su" - put, but so far only on the Su-57. Roughly speaking, there are radars for modernization and there is for equipping a remake. We do not yet have a radar for modernization, so that we have our own, autonomous computer and integration with the rest of the avionics. Maybe it will work out for the Su-30mki, they declared open architecture there. Although, at such a pace, the Israelis are more likely to do it.
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 11 August 2020 17: 31
        0
        Anything that creeps into the Mig will hit Su as soon as they master it in the series.
  24. Sergey Kulikov_3
    Sergey Kulikov_3 10 August 2020 00: 31
    -1
    Why such an expert cares about the MIG-35 is not clear, well, this bird of the RF Aerospace Forces is not needed, but it is on free sale, buy it.
    And the difference between the "light" MIG-35 and the heavy SU-35, 13.5t and 19t, is not great in weight, but great in performance. If the MiG-35 had a dry weight of 8 ~ 10 tons, then there would be a demand for it in the RF Aerospace Forces, but we have what we have, and we do not have a light fighter today.
    I hope the new 5th generation MIG will not repeat the characteristics of the SU-57.
  25. olshome18
    olshome18 10 August 2020 01: 15
    +1
    Thomas Newdick is concerned about our videoconferencing. It's good. Another of our people in the enemy's den.
    1. Varaga
      Varaga 10 August 2020 13: 19
      +1
      Pindus wasps usually have a preoccupation with what is better than theirs. So, Thomas's "concern" is understandable to me.
  26. igor.borov775
    igor.borov775 10 August 2020 02: 27
    +2
    Hello!! How many thoughts are there, and where is the truth, There is no word at all, For what purposes is the SU-35 being built, Why was it the first to receive funding, What is not there, Escort of bombers and the like, What are you writing about this, You cannot forbid writing beautifully, the reality is even harsher, You just need to know The window of opportunity for our aviation industry is sharply narrowing, The main task of the country's air defense is being solved, There are not many MiG-31 and SU-27, left in service, 27 will replace 35, They are the farthest echelon of the country's air defense, Second echelon SAM of all types, Why are they so preoccupied with the north, That's right, And the MiG-35 is an ordinary fighter, As long as the air defense needs machines there, money will go there, Yes, they are more expensive and maintenance is also more expensive, but such is life, Yes, the MIG is needed by the ground forces, but everything ahead will establish the production of MIG and cars will go, Our country needs such a machine, they did not just pour huge amounts of money into production, The problem is that last year the output of the aircraft industry dropped significantly and this year there will be no growth, This is life and we live in this reality, The budget is not rubber, Something will decrease in production and increase in the other, Two firms TU and IL merge in pursuit, Bolivar is not lucky for two sedans, GOOD LUCK TO ALL
    1. Varaga
      Varaga 10 August 2020 13: 15
      0
      I agree in many ways.
  27. Ax Matt
    Ax Matt 10 August 2020 03: 16
    0
    Military trick! wink
  28. Varaga
    Varaga 10 August 2020 13: 12
    0
    I don't understand, why not use the MiG-35 in regions where long-range fighters are not required? Black Sea region, for example. I believe that light fighters, as a class, should be preserved in Russia. In addition, healthy competition between Sukhoi and MiG will benefit everyone - both design bureaus and the RF Armed Forces as a whole. Because, as you know, the monopoly of one manufacturer leads to the degradation of the industry as a whole and the manufacturer in particular.
  29. Pavel57
    Pavel57 10 August 2020 13: 17
    +1
    We are also concerned.
  30. tarackanovaleksei
    tarackanovaleksei 10 August 2020 17: 10
    0
    MIG was instructed to develop a new aircraft to replace the MIG31. It's new. And the moment35 is a deep modernization of the 29th machine.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 11 August 2020 00: 12
      0
      Quote: tarackanovaleksei
      MIG was instructed to develop a new aircraft to replace the MIG31.


      Why do we need 3 types of 5th generation fighters?
  31. Red Alert
    Red Alert 10 August 2020 20: 22
    0
    Quote: Waraga
    I do not like?! Suitcase> Station> Pindo Stan. There they are waiting for such people with open arms - kissing blacks' feet.

    Guard, and where does the USSR and the protests in the United States? Or are you so politically illiterate that you cannot see the difference between the United States, where the Nazis and the USSR are in power?