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Russian MS-21-300 continues testing with American PW1400 engines

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Russian MS-21-300 continues testing with American PW1400 engines

The newest Russian aircraft MS-21 with domestic PD-14 engines will make its first flight before the end of this year. This was announced on August 3 by the general director of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Yuri Slyusar at a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.


Departure of MS-21 with our domestic PD-14, by the end of the year we must complete this work, the necessary tests are underway

- he said.

Currently, the Russian MC-21-300 aircraft is undergoing certification tests with American PW1400 engines. Flights have resumed after a hiatus due to the coronavirus pandemic. In total, in order to obtain a Russian certificate and start delivering an aircraft, customers need to complete 650 flights. At the beginning of this year, the number of sorties was just over 300, tests are ongoing.

Just a few days ago, information appeared that the MC-21-300 had passed tests to protect against water ingress into the engines, which confirmed the possibility of operating the airliner in the presence of water on the runway. The tests were reportedly carried out on the runway of the Ulyanovsk-Vostochny airfield, where a "pool" with a length of more than 70 m and a width of over 20 m was installed, which meets Russian and international standards.


Recall that at the end of July this year, for the first time, a mock-up of the PD-14 engine was carried out on the MS-21 pylons. The engine got to our place without comment. During the installation, the correctness of the design solutions incorporated into the engines was confirmed.

MS-21-300 is a new generation short- and medium-haul passenger aircraft with a capacity of 150 to 211 passengers. Certification of the aircraft should be completed this year, and mass production is scheduled for 2021.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 8 August 2020 09: 01 New
    +1
    If everything goes well, then in a couple of years it will be possible to observe it at the airports.
    Another thing is whether MS will be able to lobby in such a way that it would push the "Boeings" and "Airbuses"? Here's the catch. So that in a couple of years the operators did not begin to abandon it.
    1. Mikhail Ya2
      Mikhail Ya2 8 August 2020 09: 08 New
      +5
      They told the story of the Superjet straight. I even flew on it in Mexico, and now everyone is on the ground.
      1. dsaf
        dsaf 8 August 2020 09: 27 New
        -8
        Superjet turned out to be a dead end
        However, they immediately wrote about him - a designer from foreign components
        And overweight
        1. loki565
          loki565 8 August 2020 09: 41 New
          0
          The Superjet is the most advanced Russian aircraft with the best fuel efficiency. He just got into the period of sanctions and there were problems with fast maintenance.
          1. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 8 August 2020 10: 30 New
            -6
            Quote: loki565
            Superjet is the most modern Russian aircraft

            But it is practically a miniature copy of Airbus, although, as it was written here on VO, Boeing was contacted with its creation in Russia and in the Sukhoi campaign. And they began to push through, probably hoping that fighters would be dropped there and only "passengers" would be made. And when it did not work out according to their idea, the Americans gave up supporting the project. Then the problems with Superjet began.
            1. loki565
              loki565 8 August 2020 10: 36 New
              +1
              But it is practically a miniature copy of Airbus, although, as it was written here on VO, Boeing was contacted with its creation in Russia and in the Sukhoi campaign. And they began to push through, probably hoping that fighters would be dropped there and only "passengers" would be made. And when it did not work out according to their idea, the Americans gave up supporting the project. Then the problems with Superjet began.

              In the video below there is a history of its creation and for which they made a wide salon too.
              PS Do you seriously think that Americans are so naive ???)))
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 8 August 2020 13: 42 New
                +7
                The Superjet has ONE problem - the manufacturer's maintenance service .. and that's it .. there are no more problems, we are ready to take them everywhere in the world .. But, Boeing carries parts / restores the readiness of the aircraft in 1-2 days maximum, to anywhere in the world, also earning On this..
                SJ has been on the ground for weeks waiting for spare parts .. which commercial carrier is interested in? So they abandoned them all over the world - and this process started even before the sanctions ..
                If the service is not adjusted, it will be with the MC-21 absolutely the same as guaranteed with the SJ ..

                P.S. many cars have the same problem, for example, Alfa Romeo is a cool car, but nafig is needed - if only in Moscow it is possible to repair normally and then not everywhere .. the service network is well, very important, especially for a commercial company ..
            2. mvg
              mvg 8 August 2020 11: 36 New
              +1
              But it is practically a miniature copy of Airbus

              Exactly, two wings, one tail, landing gear are the same. Copy, one to one! wassat
            3. vVvAD
              vVvAD 8 August 2020 14: 48 New
              0
              I don’t think so. Rather, it was a way to direct our civil aviation industry along a dead-end path - to eliminate a competitor on takeoff, provoking colossal costs for an aircraft without a niche, and even which could cut off the supply of components, which was skillfully done. Now they are trying, as far as possible, to substitute import and produce modifications of 75 and 110-120 seats, otherwise neither 2 nor one and a half. The SSJ100 has become our F-35 - a suitcase without a handle: ugly, and so much money that it's a pity to leave. Yes, and it is impossible, otherwise they will be called to account for incompetent waste.
              This means that the "partners" are to blame, and not their own mischief.
              It was easier, faster and cheaper to modernize the Tu-204 from the PS-90 - with much better prospects. We will destroy the old world and build a new one. am Well, well - they built it, and they put the money in the car, the most important thing is to master it, right? wink Now we do not know what to do with this new one.
            4. Volder
              Volder 10 August 2020 07: 52 New
              -1
              Quote: Starover_Z
              ... Russia and the Sukhoi campaign were contacted by Boeing. And they began to push through, probably hoping that fighters would be dropped there and only "passengers" would be made. And when it did not work out according to their idea, the Americans gave up supporting the project.

              This proves once again that if you contact the United States, you can fall into a trap. The Americans are bad, do not keep their word, violate agreements ... Such "partners" can only be desired by the enemy.
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          3. VO3A
            VO3A 8 August 2020 13: 19 New
            +3
            The engine is equipped with a drive box that provides rotation of generators and pumps for all aircraft systems. Our engine should be equipped with our generators and pumps, and ensure the operation of all aircraft systems, but already our systems ... Can you catch the difference? Replacing engines changes all systems on the aircraft, generators, pumps, distribution systems, pipelines, actuators ... Is it clear now? This is a different plane, different systems ... Only the hull seems to be the same ...
            If they adapt to foreigners and dock and change in stages, the khan will be returned to the plane again, like a Superjet ...
            I think now you can imagine what harm was done to the domestic aircraft industry by pests, traitors and thieves who created the Superjet and killed the Tu-334, which was already ready ... Get it out of the ground and plant it, it's a pity that you can't shoot ... will tell you what they did with those specialists who immediately spoke about it?
            1. loki565
              loki565 8 August 2020 13: 53 New
              -3
              Replacing engines changes all systems on the aircraft, generators, pumps, distribution systems, pipelines, actuators ... Is it clear now? This is a different aircraft, different systems ... Only the hull seems to be the same.

              No, not like that, only software is replaced.
              I think, now you can imagine what harm was done to the domestic aircraft industry by pests, traitors and thieves who created the Superjet and killed the Tu-334

              Tu 334 is a deliberately doomed project, with 3 crew members, with an overweight engine layout, with an old wing that could not provide fuel efficiency, and even with Ukrainian engines. In general, it was inferior to the Superjet in all respects, so they did not develop it.
              1. VO3A
                VO3A 8 August 2020 14: 01 New
                -1
                In general, he was inferior to the Superjet in all respects,

                What are you talking about, are you lost in time, or do you have memory gaps, disconnected logic? The Tu-334 had already been tested and built, but there was no Superjet then, from the word in general ... It was sculpted from ZERO from foreign components by the country's "patriots" ... Contact a doctor ... you can contact Nathan ...
                1. loki565
                  loki565 8 August 2020 14: 21 New
                  0
                  What are you talking about, are you lost in time, or do you have memory gaps, disconnected logic? The Tu-334 had already been tested and built, but there was no Superjet then, from the word in general ... It was sculpted from ZERO from foreign components by the country's "patriots" ... Contact a doctor ... you can contact Nathan ...

                  About the fact that two samples were built, TWO CARL))) And the tests revealed all the problems that I wrote about above, the plane was not competitive at the time of design.
            2. VO3A
              VO3A 8 August 2020 13: 55 New
              +1
              killed the Tu-334, which was already ready

              They killed almost all the subcontractors who made equipment for the civil aircraft inside the country ... Many factories were closed, thrown into the streets people who devoted their lives to this work, interrupted dynasties, destroyed the training and succession system in this industry ...
              Creation of Tu-214 , with our PD-14 it FEAT... This is the revival of all related factories, this is the restoration of the production of our equipment and our components ...
              1. VO3A
                VO3A 8 August 2020 14: 07 New
                +1
                Of course MS-21
              2. Vadivak
                Vadivak 8 August 2020 23: 20 New
                0
                Quote: VO3A
                The creation of the Tu-214, with our PD-14 is a Podvig

                Iosif Vissarionovich encouraged the acquisition of foreign technologies and their subsequent introduction, which to be ashamed of, there were no and do not have their own engines, on the Tu-95 German engines of Shaibe and Brandner are
            3. dauria
              dauria 8 August 2020 16: 48 New
              +1
              Our engine should be equipped with our generators and pumps, and ensure the operation of all aircraft systems, but our systems ... Do you catch the difference?


              Have you heard anything about standards? About recommendations from ICAO? In your opinion, we are full of blockheads, inventing a steam locomotive for their own track?
              Are they still molding an adapter to a Euro plug for a Soviet outlet? Wake up.
              1. VO3A
                VO3A 8 August 2020 17: 41 New
                -4
                In the 90s, our generators were 2 times larger than similar ones and were 1,5 times inferior in power, we saw pumps and engines on foreign cars, but I generally keep quiet about electronics ... They put the best in the world on airplanes ranging from Japanese to Canadians. And we have sanctions, that's such fair competition. Our titanium structures and other components also sometimes get onto their planes ... We had power supply systems, pumps, drives even on MIG-29 and Su-27 from different domestic manufacturers ...
                Have you heard anything about standards? About recommendations from ICAO? In your opinion, we are full of blockheads, inventing a steam locomotive for their own track?

                Is this a statement or a question? A very comfortable ostrich position. He showed erudition, a clever boy .. Different, clearly ... Superjets stand idle without spare parts, we have nothing to replace ...
          4. Rzzz
            Rzzz 8 August 2020 18: 34 New
            +2
            Quote: loki565
            He just got into the period of sanctions and there were problems with fast maintenance.

            This is not only the problem of the Super, it is the problem of all Soviet-Russian technology. The lack of any sane service and supply, even consumables, not to mention spare parts. And manufacturers still live in the realities of the middle of the 20th century, they do not understand that without this their products are not needed by anyone even at home.
            1. VO3A
              VO3A 8 August 2020 19: 11 New
              -3
              There were no problems. Stop lying. In the warhead, the serviceability of the aircraft is about 80%, during the exercise period 90-95% ... Everything is there, write applications, think, a little quick wits and success ... Studying real advanced experience, follow
              recommendations of the elders, teach your specialists, fulfill the requirements of the governing documents. An ordinary engineer in his place ... But they don't teach this in schools, because there are no such specialists in schools, there are only theoreticians ... who have never served on concrete ...
              1. Rzzz
                Rzzz 8 August 2020 21: 33 New
                +1
                First, there are other approaches "in the combat unit", and they do not spare money for anything.
                In commercial operation, 80% is completely unacceptable. This is when 20 out of 4 aircraft in the company are faulty - this is a nightmare for the owner who will never bring the budget to a profit, a nightmare for the operational service, which will never meet the schedule with so many failures, and just a gallows for maintenance when equipment breaks down faster. than they manage to fix it. A separate sad song is the order of spare parts with a delivery time of 4-8 weeks to Russian customs, and from the moment of arrival at customs, the delivery time can be designated as "unknown".
                This is my personal experience of operating the masterpieces of the domestic shipbuilding industry. I don't think there is anything fundamentally different about airplanes.
        2. Eskobar
          Eskobar 8 August 2020 09: 42 New
          -3
          But someone drank so much on this project
        3. Aleks2000
          Aleks2000 8 August 2020 09: 43 New
          +6
          And before that they wrote exactly the opposite. And now I recently read in an article that it is lighter than analogues ...
          1. dsaf
            dsaf 8 August 2020 09: 48 New
            -6
            “There are many complaints about the Superjet, both about the design, and about the fact that it is overweight, and the fact that it depends on the supply of components - 85% of foreign components.
            This is a red rag for the aviation industry.
            Naturally, competitors will now try to inflate these shortcomings through the media, with which they used to put up, now all this is coming to the surface, "Akimenko said.

            Old article
            Probably not objective
            But the fact that the superjet is too heavy I read more than once, and what is easier - I learned from you

            PS: I forgot the link - https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2125812
            1. loki565
              loki565 8 August 2020 09: 56 New
              +1
              Old article
              Probably not objective
              But the fact that the superjet is too heavy I read more than once, and what is easier - I learned from you

              Here are a couple of good videos for self-development)))

              1. dsaf
                dsaf 8 August 2020 10: 01 New
                +2
                Quote: loki565
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcylOm7VVgYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCiziffy1Ko

                Thank you for the info, I will definitely check it out, but at the beginning it says - "sponsor of the UAC"
                Advertising is not objective by definition
                1. loki565
                  loki565 8 August 2020 10: 05 New
                  +3
                  Advertising is not objective by definition

                  So, in addition to advertising, there is also anti-advertising, the essence of which is to throw stuffing in order to drown a competitor.
            2. ancient
              ancient 8 August 2020 12: 53 New
              +2
              Quote: dsaf
              https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2125812

              Alexander Veniaminovich, throughout his research (4 PPI and PLC) and testing (activities (GK NII VVS and GosNII GA) was never "seen" in "kneeling" not before any .. "his" or ... "necessary "..." things.
              so he said the absolute truth! soldier
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      2. loki565
        loki565 8 August 2020 09: 44 New
        0
        They told the story of the Superjet straight. I even flew on it in Mexico

        Yes, he flew many places
      3. slipped
        slipped 8 August 2020 10: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: Michael Ya2
        but now everyone is standing on the ground.


        Don't say nonsense, the Mexicans exploit it to the fullest. Our airlines too.

        1. loki565
          loki565 8 August 2020 11: 07 New
          0
          Don't say nonsense, the Mexicans exploit it to the fullest. Our airlines too.

          They not only operate, but also order new ones, so for 2020 they will receive 59 aircraft, these are Aeroflot, Red Wings, Azimut, Yakutia
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 8 August 2020 13: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: loki565
            so for 2020 they will receive 59 aircraft, these are Aeroflot, Red Wings, Azimut, Yakutia

            Are you a SSJ lobbyist or what ?! Only 2020 delivered for August 5 fellow The highest delivery rate was in 2018 - 28 aircraft. And here you are already predicting 59, of which 54 in the last quarter and a half wassat
            1. loki565
              loki565 8 August 2020 14: 10 New
              -3
              These are confirmed contracts for 2020 when it will be in hardware winked This infa slipped
              https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2020/07/30/647747.html
              https://tass.ru/ekonomika/9086039
              1. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn 8 August 2020 15: 58 New
                -1
                Well, this is nonsense. Even from your link from TASS, in the same place, out of 59 aircraft of the type for 2020 - 8 Aeroflot, 6 Red Wings, and the remaining 45 are two small "Azimut" and "Yakutia" ?!
                I specifically looked, only 5 + 4 were ordered from Azimut, from Yakutia only 10. Well, 59 cannot be typed. hi
      4. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 8 August 2020 11: 09 New
        +2
        If we calculate how many B737 and A320 and SSZh and competitors in the Russian Federation and the world fly, the difference in units and scope will be colossal. And the market even within the Russian Federation for the SSZH strongly inhibits poverty of the population. Therefore MC21 will be more successful in any case .... this is the main type of liner size. Up to 70% of all liners.
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    2. NKT
      NKT 8 August 2020 09: 57 New
      +5
      This requires two things. Preferences for companies that will operate it and effective service. The state is responsible for the first, the manufacturer for the second. In the example of the Superjet, there was neither one nor the other.
    3. halpat
      halpat 8 August 2020 10: 37 New
      +5
      I'm not an expert in aviation. But I had a chance to fly a lot on a variety of aircraft. Therefore, I can judge as a passenger :)
      In the late 80s and early 90s, the difference between domestic and foreign aircraft was almost imperceptible from the passenger's point of view.
      But later it became huge.
      Therefore, I 100% agree with those people, experts who say that the domestic civil aviation industry was simply maliciously killed by the Americans and other representatives of the collective West. By the hands of Chubais, Gaidars, Yasins and balabols of the Stankevich type.
      The task of reviving the civil aviation industry is very difficult, the enemies tried their best.
      God grant that everything works out for Russia !!
      And there would be even more competent specialists, because with effective managers like Mr. Rogozin there is already a clear overkill, they will chatter, they will eat up money and say ... "Well, I didn’t do it" ... with complete external patriotism ...
      1. d4rkmesa
        d4rkmesa 8 August 2020 12: 10 New
        0
        I am also a passenger and I consider the unsuccessful decisions of the authorities to be guilty of Shevchuk's collapse personally. I read memoirs of Tupolevites and many others. To spit there was all at all, and the result.
      2. Alexander Seklitsky
        Alexander Seklitsky 9 August 2020 05: 06 New
        0
        Quote: Halpat
        In the late 80s and early 90s, the difference between domestic and foreign aircraft was almost imperceptible from the passenger's point of view.
        But later it became huge.

        I hesitate to ask, what is the difference?. From the point of view of the passenger. What is the 154's salon, that the Boeing has a similar dimension. Whether it is 757 or 737. The same seats, the same plastic. But the distance between the seats is sometimes even less.
      3. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 10 August 2020 07: 51 New
        0
        The Soviet aviation industry was killed by the collapse of the USSR.
        1.the purchases of liners stopped
        2.the cooperation collapsed
        3.population stopped flying intensively
        4. there was no funding for new products and the system and management changed, but people did not change


        And in general, the airliners created for the realities of the USSR fell into another reality of the Western civil aviation system and did not have time to update.
  2. RUnnm
    RUnnm 8 August 2020 09: 11 New
    +6
    Great idea!!! And then, for sure, the United States will impose sanctions and we will be left without engines and without an aircraft !!! Are we actually going to think one step ahead? How old is the project, and we are all at the stage of suspension of our own engines ...
    That's what Manturov, Rogozin and others like them would not move further than pouring the foundation ...
    1. Senka naughty
      Senka naughty 8 August 2020 09: 21 New
      +6
      The newest Russian aircraft MS-21 with domestic PD-14 engines will make its first flight before the end of this year.

      Are you insane?
      1. Sahalinets
        Sahalinets 8 August 2020 09: 28 New
        -2
        Unfortunately, a modern aircraft engine requires a lot of fine tuning. And it takes more than one year even for GE and P&W. But clients will not wait ...
        1. RUnnm
          RUnnm 8 August 2020 09: 32 New
          -1
          The project started back in the 90s. Do you think not enough time has passed yet?
          1. K-612-O
            K-612-O 8 August 2020 13: 01 New
            0
            PD-14 began to be developed in 2012, before that they were busy with the modernization of the 90th
        2. Senka naughty
          Senka naughty 8 August 2020 09: 34 New
          -1
          Unfortunately, a modern aircraft engine requires a lot of fine tuning. And it takes more than one year even for GE and P&W. But clients will not wait ...

          No Unfortunately, but to your ignorance... But this is being treated, the main thing is not to start and keep the temperature at least room temperature.
          1. Sahalinets
            Sahalinets 8 August 2020 09: 53 New
            -3
            And the source of your knowledge is Channel One? Keep watching it continuously. About our new missiles, armats and other successes. Facing reality may be too painful for you! sad
      2. RUnnm
        RUnnm 8 August 2020 09: 29 New
        -4
        True ? And when did we promise to fly to Mars there? And when we there promised to fill up all schools with our tablets, and when we promised to start Vostochny normally, and the base in Novorossiysk, and put our turbines on domestic stations, etc., and the location fields and bases on the FZI, etc.? Not tired of promises yet? There is only one criterion - in fact or not. Everything else is projects, wishlist.
        1. Senka naughty
          Senka naughty 8 August 2020 09: 39 New
          -7
          Quote: RUnnm
          True ? And when did we promise to fly to Mars there? And when we there promised to fill up all schools with our tablets, and when we promised to start Vostochny normally, and the base in Novorossiysk, and put our turbines on domestic stations, etc., and the location fields and bases on the FZI, etc.? Not tired of promises yet? There is only one criterion - in fact or not. Everything else is projects, wishlist.

          Everyone here! All video-audio proofs of where and who promised to whom! Novorossiysk? Are you seriously? Crimea in the Black Sea is not enough for you? Or did you just have to speak out?
          1. RUnnm
            RUnnm 8 August 2020 09: 46 New
            +1
            Sorry, but are you serious now? And Chubais personally did not promise Putin on all screens about tablets, and no one publicly made promises about Vostochny, and there are no statements about the creation of a heavy rocket, right? And Novorossiysk ... well, yes, nafig finish building a base for the fleet, just bury tens of spent billions in the sand and that's it, we have Crimea ...
            You like everything that happens - your right, keep on wearing rose-colored glasses, but I don't need to tell in a pseudo-patriotic frenzy that our promises are equal to reality and that I cannot ask WHY promises sitting on billions are still at their posts and where are the promised LANDINGS?
            1. Senka naughty
              Senka naughty 8 August 2020 09: 57 New
              -9
              That is not, if you add arguments and change slogans for facts, then wherever it went .. And so, how many VOs like you grind here, do not waste your time, do something useful. For your WHY, there is a BEYOND. Make a new account.
              1. RUnnm
                RUnnm 8 August 2020 09: 59 New
                +2
                There is a wonderful saying for people like you - "don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where you should go ..."
        2. parusnik
          parusnik 8 August 2020 09: 40 New
          0
          And when did we promise to fly to Mars there?
          .... In the year 1981 I listened to an educational program on the radio, unfortunately I do not remember the name, it did not say that in 1991 the USSR would be launched to Mars, an automatic station and it was said about the amount of work that it should perform, the work is varied, up to archaeological drilling, to find out whether there was a civilization on Mars and the most interesting thing, the station had to go back .. smile
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 8 August 2020 09: 52 New
            +9
            More like a retelling of the Mars-5M mission (just the 80s) - which was canceled due to low level of development and high risk, and money / efforts were redistributed to other projects.
            1. parusnik
              parusnik 8 August 2020 10: 17 New
              0
              He was a child, and the program was intended for a children's and youth audience, aired once a month ...
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        3. Vadim237
          Vadim237 8 August 2020 11: 09 New
          +2
          One domestic turbine for power engineers has already been made and two more have been certified under construction and testing.
      3. snucerist
        snucerist 8 August 2020 09: 48 New
        -1
        With which engines has the machine been tested for water ingress? It can be understood from the text that it is not at all with the Russians.
        Then why is this good news:
        "... MC-21-300 has passed the tests for protection against water ingress into the engines, which confirmed the possibility of operating the airliner in the presence of water on the runway."
        What is there to brag about?
        If American engines are replaced by Russian ones? Which are to be experienced again? Including protection against water ingress into engines, this time Russian?
        Who needs such a presentation of material? Why brag about the characteristics of someone else's unit?
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 8 August 2020 10: 17 New
          +9
          Quote: snucerist
          If American engines are replaced by Russian ones? Which are to be experienced again? Including protection against water ingress into engines, this time Russian?

          If the external layout of the engines (height above the runway and the shape of the air intakes) remains the same, then what difference does it make which engine is inside the nacelle? request Water ingress will be the same. As for flight tests, then, of course, after replacing the engines, they will be carried out, but it will no longer be necessary to test the airframe, chassis, control ...
          1. snucerist
            snucerist 8 August 2020 12: 19 New
            +2
            The height will remain the same.
            The engine will be different. As well as its characteristics.
            Which will need to be tested and confirmed experimentally. Including protection against water ingress.
            Therefore, I ask: why are these victorious reports that characterize the excellent characteristics of the American engine?
            Make your own, test it - then brag.
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 8 August 2020 13: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: snucerist
              The engine will be different. As well as its characteristics.
              Which will need to be tested and confirmed experimentally. Including protection against water ingress.

              Do you have any idea what it means to replace engines on an already comprehensively tested aircraft? ALL engines, even in the process of R&D, are tested at stands, including water ingress into them. What can change from the fact that another, similarly tested engine is placed in the same nacelle?
              Py.Sy. It is useless to argue here on the site with such stubborn amateurs (you always know everything better than anyone else, and have already shown yourself from this side, gaining a decent negative rating). As my squadron commander used to say, regarding people like you - "Born to crawl, don't get confused on the runway."
          2. VO3A
            VO3A 8 August 2020 12: 41 New
            -1
            The engine is equipped with a drive box that provides rotation of generators and pumps for all aircraft systems. Our engine should be equipped with our generators and pumps, and ensure the operation of all aircraft systems, but already our systems ... Can you catch the difference? Replacing engines changes all systems on the aircraft, generators, pumps, distribution systems, pipelines, actuators ... Is it clear now? This is a different plane, different systems ... Only the hull seems to be the same ...
            If they adapt to foreigners and dock and change in stages, the khan will be returned to the plane again, like a Superjet ...
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 8 August 2020 16: 09 New
              -1
              Quote: VO3A
              Replacing engines changes all systems on the aircraft, generators, pumps, distribution systems, pipelines, actuators ... Is it clear now? This is a different plane, different systems ... Only the hull seems to be the same ...

              The power supply system of our aircraft is similar to foreign ones since the time of copying the B-29 - Tu-4. Direct current - 27 volts, alternating current - 208, 115, 36 volts 400 hertz. And what prevents the connection of hydraulic pumps from one engine to another in the general trunk system of the aircraft?
              If they adapt to foreigners and dock and change in stages, the khan will be returned to the plane again, like a Superjet ...

              Well, of course, everything is gone again, all such oaks do not understand how to do it, except for such "experts" as you are on the VO website.
              1. VO3A
                VO3A 8 August 2020 20: 48 New
                0
                The person does not display anything and draws conclusions ...
        2. Rustam Sadriev
          Rustam Sadriev 8 August 2020 10: 59 New
          +3
          PW motors will be installed for overseas customers. Inside the country, they plan to use their own.
          1. VO3A
            VO3A 8 August 2020 12: 53 New
            -3
            PW motors will be installed for overseas customers. Inside the country, they plan to use their own.

            Not everything is so simple, read my comment above.
            I think now you can imagine what harm was done to the domestic aircraft industry by pests, traitors and thieves who created the Superjet and killed the Tu-334, which was already ready ... Get it out of the ground and plant it, it's a pity that you can't shoot ... will tell you what they did with those specialists who immediately spoke about it?
            1. Alexander Seklitsky
              Alexander Seklitsky 8 August 2020 19: 24 New
              0
              Quote: VO3A
              killed the Tu-334, which was already ready

              You cannot kill a stillborn. This is still a legacy of the Soviet school. It would not have taken root in modern market realities. Moreover, it assumed the unification of production with that 204.
              1. VO3A
                VO3A 8 August 2020 21: 37 New
                -2
                You cannot kill a stillborn. This is still a legacy of the Soviet school. It would not have taken root in modern market realities. Moreover, it assumed the unification of production with that 204.

                In each of your proposals, just stupidity shows through, and you are still thinking about technology !!! Sometimes it's better to be silent. You read what you wrote ..
                1. Alexander Seklitsky
                  Alexander Seklitsky 9 August 2020 04: 52 New
                  +1
                  What are you unable to comprehend? The fact that by the time the aircraft was created, it was already outdated? That it didn't have its own efficient engines, that it had three crew members? And there are many more disadvantages. But can you list me the advantages of this pepelatsa?
        3. K-612-O
          K-612-O 8 August 2020 13: 04 New
          -2
          What do you think to do with 120 already purchased motors? Irkut to keep them forever?
    2. Maki maki
      Maki maki 8 August 2020 09: 22 New
      14
      I have completely different associations about "Manturov, Rogozin and others like them" and pouring the foundation.
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 8 August 2020 10: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: RUnnm
      And then, for sure, the United States will impose sanctions and we will be left without engines and without an aircraft !!!

      Read the entire article before scattering the exclamation marks.
      The newest Russian aircraft MS-21 with domestic PD-14 engines will make its first flight before the end of this year.
  3. Rubi0
    Rubi0 8 August 2020 09: 19 New
    +2
    UAC released a cool video the other day, a beautiful car, even the tests are fascinating
    1. svp67
      svp67 8 August 2020 09: 29 New
      +5
      Quote: Rubi0
      beautiful car, even tests are fascinating

      In the Yakovlev Design Bureau, all passenger planes are beautiful
  4. Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 8 August 2020 09: 29 New
    +2
    Ehhe, when every third plane in the world was produced in the USSR, but now ???
    1. KCA
      KCA 8 August 2020 09: 41 New
      0
      Can you tell me which country other than the United States (although this is conditional, the whole world, including Russia, works for Boeing), Canada, Brazil, China and Russia produces at least one airliner a year? If anything, Watermelon is the united forces of Europe, and I'm asking about the country
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 8 August 2020 13: 22 New
        -1
        Japan - Mitsubishi Regional Jet
        And so, taking into account the Airbus from Europe, large especially developed countries, there is no more production for this. Still, the technique is complicated
        1. KCA
          KCA 8 August 2020 14: 19 New
          0
          I asked about a country that produced at least one airliner in a year, and so far there is no MRJ, it seems, together with the MC-21, they will only go into series
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 8 August 2020 16: 02 New
            -1
            Well, Vicki claims that 8 aircraft have been produced since 2015. And the Chinese ones, too, have not gone into series yet
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 August 2020 11: 12 New
      +3
      For all the time, the USSR sold 7 civilian aircraft for currency - everything else was supplied for thanks and barter.
      1. Rubi0
        Rubi0 8 August 2020 11: 24 New
        -3
        This is the best answer to those who shout about a third of the world's planes.
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 8 August 2020 17: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        For all the time, the USSR sold 7 civilian aircraft for currency - everything else was supplied for thanks and barter.

        I saw at one time how they treated in the so-called. "countries of people's democracy" and "socialist orientation" to the Soviet freebie. At the slightest malfunction, new aircraft were pushed with a flight time of 100-200 hours into a sump (dump) outside the airfield. And what to regret, "sovetiko" will send more.
  5. avia12005
    avia12005 8 August 2020 09: 39 New
    +7
    If you draw up a table where Manturov's promises will be on the left, and marks on their fulfillment on the right, you will be pleasantly surprised.
  6. Free wind
    Free wind 8 August 2020 10: 03 New
    0
    Interestingly, at the beginning of 18, they promised to perform the first flight at the beginning of 19. I look at modern airplanes, the ground clearance is like that of a passenger car, it’s scary, but if it hits the concrete with an engine.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 8 August 2020 10: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: Free Wind
      I look at modern airplanes, the ground clearance is like a passenger car, something is scary, but if the engine hits the concrete

      Well, if you break the chassis, then anyone will strike.
  7. Kelwin
    Kelwin 8 August 2020 10: 13 New
    -5
    The main problem is that AK parks are already equipped with a and b. Where to sell that fishing line ...
    1. Rubi0
      Rubi0 8 August 2020 11: 27 New
      +4
      If we introduce the initiative that planes for charters in Turkey should be produced in the Russian Federation, then just to transport this million tourists it will be necessary to build another plant. wassat
      1. Kelwin
        Kelwin 9 August 2020 02: 23 New
        0
        Yes, this is logical, of course, but how to do it in practice? What, direct market regulation? Nobody will do it. Although yes, many of our participants, judging by the minuses, will be "for", but there is one but - how exactly to do this? Many who bought themselves a computer based on Elbrus? ... no, we are sitting on the western-Chinese ones. because they are like dirt - competition is unrealistic purely due to market saturation. And it's even more difficult with planes - the market уby two orders of magnitude ...

        ZY Nobody says the plane is bad. Perhaps he is better than both A and B. But they have occupied the market for a long time, and it will be very difficult to kick them out of there.
        1. Rubi0
          Rubi0 9 August 2020 09: 50 New
          0
          Everything has long been invented in the United States, using the example of the same shipbuilding of theirs, the ships that operate in the US economic zone, you guessed it, should be built there, and for this they also give good loans.
  8. IGOR GORDEEV
    IGOR GORDEEV 8 August 2020 10: 32 New
    -3
    The newest Russian aircraft

    The word "newest" is already on edge
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 8 August 2020 10: 44 New
    0
    The balance can / should be presented when there are at least some results. In the meantime, the test and other necessary actions.
    Boom look, then.
  10. slipped
    slipped 8 August 2020 11: 02 New
    +6
    In the meantime, they made a fan blade PD-35

    1. c2020
      c2020 8 August 2020 11: 11 New
      -7
      I look at modern airplanes, the ground clearance is like a passenger car, something is scary, but if the engine hits the concrete

      On many Soviet aircraft, in case of war, something could be suspended under the wings, the engines were high in the back. Putting on the belly, in which case, would also be more convenient, more accurate. The engines were higher from the ground and less dust flew in, that is, there was less wear on the engine blades. Such an aircraft works better in a pinch and when landing on the ground. That is, everything was adapted for the real Russian harsh conditions, both military, climatic and difficult operational, and personnel. Now everyone was spooked by foreigners and this makes the Russian aircraft fleet much more problematic. In military conditions, you can't hang anything under the wings (the engines hang there), the engines really almost scratch the ground, all the dirt flies there, which is why such aircraft are often called vacuum cleaners, now there are increased requirements for airfields and personnel, which is very expensive. All these "charms" are naturally not accidental. Experts understand this perfectly well, but no one asks them. There is one hundred percent sabotage at the decision-making level. As a specialist, they left only one function - to be scapegoats, scapegoats. All this applies not only to aircraft, but also to engines. Experts suggested a reasonable way - to continue mass production of 4th generation engines, gradually, evolutionarily improving engines up to the 5th generation. No. Brainless effective managers spread their fingers out and swung their fingers straight at the 5th generation. As a result of mass production, there are no good Russian planes; Russia has become enslaved by Boeings and Airbuses. Now it is a complete imitation of ebullient activity, but in reality - only Potemkin villages. It's bad when fools and pests rule aircraft.
      1. slipped
        slipped 8 August 2020 11: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: c2020
        On many Soviet aircraft, in case of war, something could be suspended under the wings, the engines were high in the back.


        We have military aircraft for war.

        Quote: c2020
        If something happens, it would also be more convenient to put on the belly,
        more accurately.


        Test landing SSJ-100 "on the belly" in Iceland:



        Quote: c2020
        The engines were higher from the ground and less dust flew in, that is, there was less wear on the engine blades. Such an aircraft works better in a pinch and when landing on the ground. That is, everything was adapted for the real Russian harsh conditions, both military, climatic and difficult operational, and personnel.


        Operators of the new civilian technology are upgrading their airfields and airports to the modern level.

        Apparently, all your opus was written for this line: "As a result of mass production there are no good Russian aircraft" and further in the text laughing

        Will be. laughing
        1. c2020
          c2020 8 August 2020 11: 29 New
          -6
          We have military aircraft for war.


          Your joke is out of place.

          all your opus


          sleep on slipped, it will be useful for aviation
          1. slipped
            slipped 8 August 2020 11: 52 New
            +2
            Quote: c2020
            sleep on slipped, it will be useful for aviation


            well, you don't even know english laughing how will you fight? lol
        2. ancient
          ancient 8 August 2020 13: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: slipped
          Test landing SSJ-100 "on the belly" in Iceland:

          This is the flight incident caused by the flight crew as ". Test flight"? belay
          They had to pray to God that everything "ended well" !!!
          Chronicle of events:
          On July 21, 2013, at 05.25 local time at the airport of Keflavik (Reykjavik, Iceland), an aviation incident occurred with the Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft, tail number 97005.

          At the final stage of certification tests for the expansion of operating conditions - automatic landing (certification program for the ICAO category CAT III A) in a crosswind when landing with an imitation of one engine failure, an aircraft touched the runway with the landing gear retracted.

          At the time of the incident, there were five people on board, including three crew members, two experts from certification centers. Nobody on board was injured during landing. During the evacuation from the plane, one of the experts sustained a leg injury.
          A Sukhoi Superjet 100 with serial number 95005 was used in flight tests under the CAT III A program. The first flight of this aircraft took place on February 4, 2010.

          At the time of the incident, all aircraft systems were operating normally.

          Reason:
          IP assignment for July 20 (night):
          - The first flight began at 19:56 on July 20, 13 laps on RWY 11 to 21:45.
          - Second flight at 22:34, 6 laps on RWY 11, then 4 laps on RWY 20, until 0:30.
          - Third flight at 1:16, 8 laps on RWY 20, then 5 laps on RWY 11, until 3:10.
          - Fourth flight at 4:03, 7 laps on RWY 20, then 2 laps on RWY 11, before the accident
          Conclusion - 46 (!!!!!!) landings are planned at night. !!!! am
          The leading engineer, and the head of the LIK ... should have been ... "sent" to retirement ... right away soldier
          1. slipped
            slipped 8 August 2020 13: 30 New
            -1
            Quote: ancient
            This is the flight incident caused by the flight crew as ". Test flight"? belay


            I give out? laughing The flight was a test flight for the aircraft.

            You yourself wrote about it:

            Quote: ancient
            At the final stage of certification tests for


            It is clear where you did not understand me. laughing

            I put it wrong - not a "test landing", but a "test flight" with a successful landing "on the belly" - is that okay for you? laughing

            And the test program was tough, yes.
            1. ancient
              ancient 8 August 2020 14: 02 New
              +2
              Quote: slipped
              I give out? The flight was a test flight for the aircraft.

              You yourself wrote about it:

              I see ... aviation ... don't you treat it sideways? wink
              Then I will explain ... certification tests (that is, the performance of flights) are held for each country and here just such flights were carried out to determine the possibility of operation in Iceland. but not...Test SSJ-100 Belly Landing in Iceland:
              how do you write wassat
              Quote: slipped
              not a "test landing", but a "test flight" with a successful belly landing - will that suit you?

              No .. categorically .. because it is also .. stupidity.
              This is an accident ... point.
              Quote: slipped
              And the test program was tough, yes.

              The program was ... compiled ... you can't say without a mat ... since they flew .... July 2, 5, 7, 12, 13 and 18 one flight, all of these flights were in the daytime time.
              And then in one night .... "zaherachili" as many as 4 flights with a conveyor belt .... perhaps ate cognac for joy before the end? am
              1. slipped
                slipped 8 August 2020 14: 09 New
                -3
                Quote: ancient
                I see ... aviation ... don't you treat it sideways? wink


                I do not belong laughing so, as a child, I jumped on a LAC-14 and jumped with an oak tree five times. I flew hang-gliders and "Slavutich".

                Quote: ancient
                No .. categorically .. because it is also .. stupidity.
                This is an accident ... point.


                But the landing in a test flight, as a result of the flight accident, was successful. laughing
                1. ancient
                  ancient 8 August 2020 14: 14 New
                  +3
                  Quote: slipped
                  But landing in a test flight, as a result of a flight accident was successful

                  "Successful" in what? That this is an incident and not a disaster? request
                  1. slipped
                    slipped 8 August 2020 14: 16 New
                    -3
                    Quote: ancient
                    Quote: slipped
                    But landing in a test flight, as a result of a flight accident was successful

                    "Successful" in what? That this is an incident and not a disaster? request


                    Those that sat down successfully. No fire. After the repair, the aircraft is still in operation.
                    1. ancient
                      ancient 8 August 2020 14: 22 New
                      +2
                      Quote: slipped
                      Those that sat down successfully.

                      There are no such criteria for determining ... can be characterized as a safe landing or completion of a flight with a successful outcome ...
                      Quote: slipped
                      After the repair, the aircraft is still in operation.

                      Do you know how much "sweat, blood and tears" were shed to raise and restore it for the possibility of flying to the native "penates"?
                      1. slipped
                        slipped 8 August 2020 14: 26 New
                        -3
                        Quote: ancient
                        Do you know how much "sweat, blood and tears" were shed to raise and restore it for the possibility of flying to the native "penates"?


                        As a result, they raised and restored the same. laughing

                        Maybe someday you will write a memoir about this, if, of course, you were directly related to it. Remember Nikolai Ostrovsky - even being blind, he wrote his memoirs lying in bed. By the way, without laughing, now in China they are given out for the state award in the form of such a nice book.
      2. d4rkmesa
        d4rkmesa 8 August 2020 12: 17 New
        0
        Some kind of unintelligible grumbling. Nobody calls it vacuum cleaners, in the 80s it finally came to light that the debris streams along the fuselage mainly raise.
    2. MelkorAintGood
      MelkorAintGood 9 August 2020 17: 34 New
      -1
      This blade does not look like the dimension of a blade for a GE90 engine (35 tons, a fan under 3100 mm in diameter). More like a paddle for pd-14
      1. slipped
        slipped 9 August 2020 18: 49 New
        0
        Quote: MelkorAintGood
        More like a paddle for pd-14




        this dimension is because the blade is being tested on the PD-14, this video says about it.
  11. Rostislav
    Rostislav 8 August 2020 12: 07 New
    0
    Is there a limit value for the amount of water that gets into the engine that will not lead to damage? In the rain they fly, incl. and in the tropics, where there are rainstorms. Anyone who knows this information will share?
    I wonder how the protection against lightning is checked?
  12. iouris
    iouris 8 August 2020 12: 38 New
    0
    If there is no engine, where does the plane come from?
  13. Alexey Bobrin
    Alexey Bobrin 8 August 2020 13: 36 New
    0
    Prepare for export
  14. alien308
    alien308 8 August 2020 17: 31 New
    0
    In my unprofessional opinion, the device has a lot in common with the Boeing 737 MAX: a narrow wing, a powerful engine with a large diameter carried far ahead. It is interesting to compare the wing loading.
    1. c2020
      c2020 8 August 2020 18: 11 New
      -1
      well, you don't even know english

      But you slipped did not slip with your knowledge of English ...

      I give out?

      You not only give out ... So where did you manage to get, slipped?

      But landing in a test flight, as a result of a flight accident was successful

      No one doubts that it is with you that flight accidents should be associated, especially in test flights ...
      1. slipped
        slipped 9 August 2020 19: 01 New
        0
        Quote: c2020
        But you slipped did not slip with your knowledge of English ...

        Quote: c2020
        You not only give out ... So where did you manage to get, slipped?

        Quote: c2020
        No one doubts that it is with you that flight accidents should be associated, especially in test flights ...


        some incoherent set of sentences lol are you ill?
  15. Courier
    Courier 8 August 2020 18: 10 New
    0
    What American engines, the United States only has a printing press.

    Engines Chinese there is an industry, what a damn SESHA
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 August 2020 19: 29 New
      +1
      In the USA the industry is very powerful - they produce everything.
  16. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
    Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 8 August 2020 20: 49 New
    0
    Quote: vVvAD
    It means that the "partners" are to blame, and not their own mischief

    You haven't read Saltykov-Shchedrin at school?
  17. APASUS
    APASUS 8 August 2020 22: 30 New
    0
    I'm sure that the Americans will supply engines to the MS-21-300 and will remain silent, but as soon as ours try to refuse, there will be immediately sanctions against the aircraft, manufacturer, design bureau, and so on.