Russian MS-21-300 continues testing with American PW1400 engines

The newest Russian aircraft MS-21 with domestic PD-14 engines will make its first flight before the end of this year. This was announced on August 3 by the general director of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Yuri Slyusar at a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Departure of MS-21 with our domestic PD-14, by the end of the year we must complete this work, the necessary tests are underway

- he said.

Currently, the Russian MC-21-300 aircraft is undergoing certification tests with American PW1400 engines. Flights have resumed after a hiatus due to the coronavirus pandemic. In total, in order to obtain a Russian certificate and start delivering an aircraft, customers need to complete 650 flights. At the beginning of this year, the number of sorties was just over 300, tests are ongoing.

Just a few days ago, information appeared that the MC-21-300 had passed tests to protect against water ingress into the engines, which confirmed the possibility of operating the airliner in the presence of water on the runway. The tests were reportedly carried out on the runway of the Ulyanovsk-Vostochny airfield, where a "pool" with a length of more than 70 m and a width of over 20 m was installed, which meets Russian and international standards.

Recall that at the end of July this year, for the first time, a mock-up of the PD-14 engine was carried out on the MS-21 pylons. The engine got to our place without comment. During the installation, the correctness of the design solutions incorporated into the engines was confirmed.

MS-21-300 is a new generation short- and medium-haul passenger aircraft with a capacity of 150 to 211 passengers. Certification of the aircraft should be completed this year, and mass production is scheduled for 2021.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

If everything goes well, then in a couple of years it will be possible to observe it at the airports.
Another thing is whether MS will be able to lobby in such a way that it would push the Boeing and Airbus systems? Here's the catch. So that in a couple of years the operators did not begin to abandon it.

[Mikhail Ya2]

They told the story of the Superjet straight. I even flew on it in Mexico, and now everyone is on the ground.

[dsaf]

Superjet turned out to be a dead end
However, they immediately wrote about him - a designer from foreign components
And overweight

[loki565]

The Superjet is the most advanced Russian aircraft with the best fuel efficiency. He just got into the period of sanctions and there were problems with fast maintenance.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: loki565

Superjet is the most modern Russian aircraft

But it is practically a miniature copy of Airbus, although, as it was written here on VO, Boeing was contacted with its creation in Russia and in the Sukhoi campaign. And they began to push through, probably hoping that fighters would be dropped there and only "passengers" would be made. And when it did not work out according to their idea, the Americans gave up supporting the project. Then the problems with Superjet began.

[loki565]

But it is practically a miniature copy of Airbus, although, as it was written here on VO, Boeing was contacted with its creation in Russia and in the Sukhoi campaign. And they began to push through, probably hoping that fighters would be dropped there and only "passengers" would be made. And when it did not work out according to their idea, the Americans gave up supporting the project. Then the problems with Superjet began.

In the video below there is a history of its creation and for which they made a wide salon too.
PS Do you seriously think that Americans are so naive ???)))

[2 Level Advisor]

The Superjet has ONE problem - the manufacturer's maintenance service .. and that's it .. there are no more problems, we are ready to take them everywhere in the world .. But, Boeing carries parts / restores the readiness of the aircraft in 1-2 days maximum, to anywhere in the world, also earning On this..
SJ has been on the ground for weeks waiting for spare parts .. which commercial carrier is interested in? So they abandoned them all over the world - and this process started even before the sanctions ..
If the service is not adjusted, it will be with the MC-21 absolutely the same as guaranteed with the SJ ..

P.S. many cars have the same problem, for example, Alfa Romeo is a cool car, but nafig is needed - if only in Moscow it is possible to repair normally and then not everywhere .. the service network is well, very important, especially for a commercial company ..

[mvg]

But it is practically a miniature copy of Airbus

Exactly, two wings, one tail, landing gear are the same. Copy, one to one!

[vVvAD]

I don’t think so. Rather, it was a way to direct our civil aviation industry along a dead-end path - to eliminate a competitor on takeoff, provoking colossal costs for an aircraft without a niche, and even which could cut off the supply of components, which was skillfully done. Now they are trying, as far as possible, to substitute import and produce modifications of 75 and 110-120 seats, otherwise neither 2 nor one and a half. The SSJ100 has become our F-35 - a suitcase without a handle: ugly, and so much money that it's a pity to leave. Yes, and it is impossible, otherwise they will be called to account for incompetent waste.
This means that the "partners" are to blame, and not their own mischief.
It was easier, faster and cheaper to modernize the Tu-204 from the PS-90 - with much better prospects. We will destroy the old world and build a new one. Well, well - they built it, and they put the money in the car, the most important thing is to master it, right? Now we do not know what to do with this new one.

[Volder]

Quote: Starover_Z

... Russia and the Sukhoi campaign were contacted by Boeing. And they began to push through, probably hoping that fighters would be dropped there and only "passengers" would be made. And when it did not work out according to their idea, the Americans gave up supporting the project.

This proves once again that if you contact the United States, you can fall into a trap. The Americans are bad, they don't keep their word, they violate agreements ... Such "partners" can only be desired by the enemy.

[VO3A]

The engine is equipped with a drive box that provides rotation of generators and pumps for all aircraft systems. Our engine should be equipped with our generators and pumps, and ensure the operation of all aircraft systems, but already our systems ... Can you catch the difference? Replacing engines changes all systems on the aircraft, generators, pumps, distribution systems, pipelines, actuators ... Is it clear now? This is a different plane, different systems ... Only the hull seems to be the same ...
If they adapt to foreigners and dock and change in stages, the khan will be returned to the plane again, like a Superjet ...
I think now you can imagine what harm was done to the domestic aircraft industry by pests, traitors and thieves who created the Superjet and killed the Tu-334, which was already ready ... Get it out of the ground and plant it, it's a pity that you can't shoot ... will tell you what they did with those specialists who immediately spoke about it?

[loki565]

Replacing engines changes all systems on the aircraft, generators, pumps, distribution systems, pipelines, actuators ... Is it clear now? This is a different aircraft, different systems ... Only the hull seems to be the same.

No, not like that, only software is replaced.

I think, now you can imagine what harm was done to the domestic aircraft industry by pests, traitors and thieves who created the Superjet and killed the Tu-334

Tu 334 is a deliberately doomed project, with 3 crew members, with an overweight engine layout, with an old wing that could not provide fuel efficiency, and even with Ukrainian engines. In general, it was inferior to the Superjet in all respects, so they did not develop it.

[VO3A]

In general, he was inferior to the Superjet in all respects,

What are you talking about, are you lost in time, or do you have memory gaps, disconnected logic? The Tu-334 had already been tested and built, but there was no Superjet then, from the word in general ... It was sculpted from ZERO from foreign components by the country's "patriots" ... Contact a doctor ... you can contact Nathan ...

[loki565]

What are you talking about, are you lost in time, or do you have memory gaps, disconnected logic? The Tu-334 had already been tested and built, but there was no Superjet then, from the word in general ... It was sculpted from ZERO from foreign components by the country's "patriots" ... Contact a doctor ... you can contact Nathan ...

About the fact that two samples were built, TWO CARL))) And the tests revealed all the problems that I wrote about above, the plane was not competitive at the time of design.

[VO3A]

killed the Tu-334, which was already ready

They killed almost all the subcontractors who made equipment for the civil aircraft inside the country ... Many factories were closed, thrown into the streets people who devoted their lives to this work, interrupted dynasties, destroyed the training and succession system in this industry ...
Creation of Tu-214 , with our PD-14 it FEAT... This is the revival of all related factories, this is the restoration of the production of our equipment and our components ...

[VO3A]

Of course MS-21

[Vadivak]

Quote: VO3A

The creation of the Tu-214, with our PD-14 is a Podvig

Iosif Vissarionovich encouraged the acquisition of foreign technologies and their subsequent introduction, which to be ashamed of, there were no and do not have their own engines, on the Tu-95 German engines of Shaibe and Brandner are

[dauria]

Our engine should be equipped with our generators and pumps, and ensure the operation of all aircraft systems, but our systems ... Do you catch the difference?

Have you heard anything about standards? About recommendations from ICAO? In your opinion, we are full of blockheads, inventing a steam locomotive for their own track?
Are they still molding an adapter to a Euro plug for a Soviet outlet? Wake up.

[VO3A]

In the 90s, our generators were 2 times larger than similar ones and were 1,5 times inferior in power, we saw pumps and engines on foreign cars, but I generally keep quiet about electronics ... They put the best in the world on airplanes ranging from Japanese to Canadians. And we have sanctions, that's such fair competition. Our titanium structures and other components also sometimes get onto their planes ... We had power supply systems, pumps, drives even on MIG-29 and Su-27 from different domestic manufacturers ...

Have you heard anything about standards? About recommendations from ICAO? In your opinion, we are full of blockheads, inventing a steam locomotive for their own track?

Is this a statement or a question? A very comfortable ostrich position. He showed erudition, a clever boy .. Different, clearly ... Superjets stand idle without spare parts, we have nothing to replace ...

[Rzzz]

Quote: loki565

He just got into the period of sanctions and there were problems with fast maintenance.

This is not only the problem of the Super, it is the problem of all Soviet-Russian technology. The lack of any sane service and supply, even consumables, not to mention spare parts. And manufacturers still live in the realities of the middle of the 20th century, they do not understand that without this their products are not needed by anyone even at home.

[VO3A]

There were no problems. Stop lying. In the warhead, the serviceability of the aircraft is about 80%, during the exercise period 90-95% ... Everything is there, write applications, think, a little quick wits and success ... Studying real advanced experience, follow
recommendations of the elders, teach your specialists, fulfill the requirements of the governing documents. An ordinary engineer in his place ... But they don't teach this in schools, because there are no such specialists in schools, there are only theoreticians ... who have never served on concrete ...

[Rzzz]

First, there are other approaches "in the combat unit", and they do not spare money for anything.
In commercial operation, 80% is completely unacceptable. This is when 20 out of 4 aircraft in the company are faulty - this is a nightmare for the owner, who will never bring the budget to profit, a nightmare for the operational service, which will never close the schedule with so many failures, and just a gallows for maintenance when equipment breaks down faster. than they manage to fix it. A separate sad song is the order of spare parts with a delivery time of 4-8 weeks to the Russian customs, and from the moment of arrival at the customs, the delivery time can be designated as "unknown".
This is my personal experience of operating the masterpieces of the domestic shipbuilding industry. I don't think there is anything fundamentally different about airplanes.

[Escobar]

But someone drank so much on this project

[Aleks2000]

And before that they wrote exactly the opposite. And now I recently read in an article that it is lighter than analogues ...

[dsaf]

“There are many complaints about the Superjet, both about the design, and about the fact that it is overweight, and the fact that it depends on the supply of components - 85% of foreign components.
This is a red rag for the aviation industry.
Naturally, competitors will now try to inflate these shortcomings through the media, which they used to put up with, now all this is coming to the surface, "Akimenko said.

Old article
Probably not objective
But the fact that the superjet is too heavy I read more than once, and what is easier - I learned from you

PS: I forgot the link - https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2125812

[loki565]

Old article
Probably not objective
But the fact that the superjet is too heavy I read more than once, and what is easier - I learned from you

Here are a couple of good videos for self-development)))

[dsaf]

Quote: loki565

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcylOm7VVgYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCiziffy1Ko

Thanks for the info, I will definitely check it out, but at the beginning it says - "sponsor of the UAC"
Advertising is not objective by definition

[loki565]

Advertising is not objective by definition

So, in addition to advertising, there is also anti-advertising, the essence of which is to throw stuffing in order to drown a competitor.

[ancient]

Quote: dsaf

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2125812

Alexander Veniaminovich, in all his research (4 PPI and PLC) and testing (activity (GK NII VVS and GosNII GA) was never "seen" in "kneeling" not before any .. "own" or ... "necessary "..." things.
so he said the absolute truth!

[loki565]

They told the story of the Superjet straight. I even flew on it in Mexico

Yes, he flew many places

[slipped]

Quote: Michael Ya2

but now everyone is standing on the ground.

Don't say nonsense, the Mexicans exploit it to the fullest. Our airlines too.

[loki565]

Don't say nonsense, the Mexicans exploit it to the fullest. Our airlines too.

They not only operate, but also order new ones, so for 2020 they will receive 59 aircraft, these are Aeroflot, Red Wings, Azimut, Yakutia

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: loki565

so for 2020 will receive 59 aircraft, these are Aeroflot, Red Wings, Azimut, Yakutia

Are you a SSJ lobbyist or what ?! Only 2020 delivered for August 5 The highest delivery rate was in 2018 - 28 aircraft. And here you are already predicting 59, of which 54 in the last quarter and a half

[loki565]

These are confirmed contracts for 2020 when it will be in hardware This infa slipped
https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2020/07/30/647747.html
https://tass.ru/ekonomika/9086039

[Stirbjorn]

Well, this is nonsense. Even from your link from TASS, in the same place, out of 59 aircraft of the type for 2020 - 8 Aeroflot, 6 Red Wings, and the remaining 45 are two small "Azimut" and "Yakutia" ?!
I specifically looked, only 5 + 4 were ordered from Azimut, from Yakutia only 10. Well, 59 cannot be typed.

[Zaurbek]

If we calculate how many B737 and A320 and SSZh and competitors in the Russian Federation and the world fly, the difference in units and scope will be colossal. And the market even within the Russian Federation for the SSZH strongly inhibits poverty of the population. Therefore MC21 will be more successful in any case .... this is the main type of liner size. Up to 70% of all liners.

[NKT]

This requires two things. Preferences for companies that will operate it and effective service. The state is responsible for the first, the manufacturer for the second. In the example of the Superjet, there was neither one nor the other.

[halpat]

I'm not an expert in aviation. But I had a chance to fly a lot on a variety of aircraft. Therefore, I can judge as a passenger :)
In the late 80s and early 90s, the difference between domestic and foreign aircraft was almost imperceptible from the passenger's point of view.
But later it became huge.
Therefore, I 100% agree with those people, experts who say that the domestic civil aviation industry was simply maliciously killed by the Americans and other representatives of the collective West. By the hands of Chubais, Gaidars, Yasins and balabols of the Stankevich type.
The task of reviving the civil aviation industry is very difficult, the enemies tried their best.
God grant that everything works out for Russia !!
And there would be even more competent specialists, because with effective managers like Mr. Rogozin there is already a clear overkill, they will chatter, they will eat up money and say ... "Well, I didn’t do it" ... with complete external patriotism ...

[d4rkmesa]

I am also a passenger and I consider the unsuccessful decisions of the authorities to be guilty of Shevchuk's collapse personally. I read memoirs of Tupolevites and many others. To spit there was all at all, and the result.

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: Halpat

In the late 80s and early 90s, the difference between domestic and foreign aircraft was almost imperceptible from the passenger's point of view.
But later it became huge.

I hesitate to ask, what is the difference?. From the point of view of the passenger. What is the 154's salon, that the Boeing has a similar dimension. Whether it is 757 or 737. The same seats, the same plastic. But the distance between the seats is sometimes even less.

[Zaurbek]

The Soviet aviation industry was killed by the collapse of the USSR.
1.the purchases of liners stopped
2.the cooperation collapsed
3.population stopped flying intensively
4. there was no funding for new products and the system and management changed, but people did not change


And in general, the airliners created for the realities of the USSR fell into another reality of the Western civil aviation system and did not have time to update.

[RUnnm]

Great idea!!! And then, for sure, the United States will impose sanctions and we will be left without engines and without an aircraft !!! Are we actually going to think one step ahead? How old is the project, and we are all at the stage of suspension of our own engines ...
That's what Manturov, Rogozin and others like them would not move further than pouring the foundation ...

[Senka naughty]

The newest Russian aircraft MS-21 with domestic PD-14 engines will make its first flight before the end of this year.

Are you insane?

[Sahalinets]

Unfortunately, a modern aircraft engine requires a lot of fine tuning. And it takes more than one year even for GE and P&W. But clients won't wait ...

[RUnnm]

The project started back in the 90s. Do you think not enough time has passed yet?

[K-612-O]

PD-14 began to be developed in 2012, before that they were busy with the modernization of the 90th

[Senka naughty]

Unfortunately, a modern aircraft engine requires a lot of fine tuning. And it takes more than one year even for GE and P&W. But clients won't wait ...

No Unfortunately, but to your ignorance... But this is being treated, the main thing is not to start and keep the temperature at least room temperature.

[Sahalinets]

And the source of your knowledge is Channel One? Keep watching it continuously. About our new missiles, armats and other successes. Facing reality may be too painful for you!

[RUnnm]

True ? And when did we promise to fly to Mars there? And when we there promised to fill up all schools with our tablets, and when we promised to start Vostochny normally, and the base in Novorossiysk, and put our turbines on domestic stations, etc., and the location fields and bases on the FZI, etc.? Not tired of promises yet? There is only one criterion - in fact or not. Everything else is projects, wishlist.

[Senka naughty]

Quote: RUnnm

True ? And when did we promise to fly to Mars there? And when we there promised to fill up all schools with our tablets, and when we promised to start Vostochny normally, and the base in Novorossiysk, and put our turbines on domestic stations, etc., and the location fields and bases on the FZI, etc.? Not tired of promises yet? There is only one criterion - in fact or not. Everything else is projects, wishlist.

Everyone here! All video-audio proofs of where and who promised to whom! Novorossiysk? Are you seriously? Crimea in the Black Sea is not enough for you? Or did you just have to speak out?

[RUnnm]

Sorry, but are you serious now? And Chubais personally did not promise Putin on all screens about tablets, and no one publicly made promises about Vostochny, and there are no statements about the creation of a heavy rocket, right? And Novorossiysk ... well, yes, nafig finish building a base for the fleet, just bury tens of spent billions in the sand and that's it, we have Crimea ...
You like everything that happens - your right, keep on wearing rose-colored glasses, but I don't need to tell in a pseudo-patriotic frenzy that our promises are equal to reality and that I cannot ask WHY promises sitting on billions are still at their posts and where are the promised LANDINGS?

[Senka naughty]

That is not, if you add arguments and change slogans for facts, then wherever it went .. And so, how many VOs like you grind here, do not waste your time, do something useful. For your WHY, there is a BEYOND. Make a new account.

[RUnnm]

There is a wonderful saying for people like you - "don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where you should go ..."

[parusnik]

And when did we promise to fly to Mars there?

.... In the year 1981 I listened to an educational program on the radio, unfortunately I do not remember the name, it did not say that in 1991 the USSR would be launched to Mars, an automatic station and it was said about the amount of work that it should perform, the work is varied, up to archaeological drilling, to find out whether there was a civilization on Mars and the most interesting thing, the station had to go back ..

[donavi49]

More like a retelling of the Mars-5M mission (just the 80s) - which was canceled due to low level of development and high risk, and money / efforts were redistributed to other projects.

[parusnik]

He was a child, and the program was intended for a children's and youth audience, aired once a month ...

[Vadim237]

One domestic turbine for power engineers has already been made and two more have been certified under construction and testing.

[snucerist]

With which engines has the machine been tested for water ingress? It can be understood from the text that it is not at all with the Russians.
Then why is this good news:
"... MC-21-300 passed the tests for protection against water ingress into the engines, which confirmed the possibility of operating the airliner in the presence of water on the runway."
What is there to brag about?
If American engines are replaced by Russian ones? Which are to be experienced again? Including protection against water ingress into engines, this time Russian?
Who needs such a presentation of material? Why brag about the characteristics of someone else's unit?

[Piramidon]

Quote: snucerist

If American engines are replaced by Russian ones? Which are to be experienced again? Including protection against water ingress into engines, this time Russian?

If the external layout of the engines (height above the runway and the shape of the air intakes) remains the same, then what difference does it make which engine is inside the nacelle? Water ingress will be the same. As for flight tests, then, of course, after replacing the engines, they will be carried out, but it will no longer be necessary to test the airframe, chassis, control ...

[snucerist]

The height will remain the same.
The engine will be different. As well as its characteristics.
Which will need to be tested and confirmed experimentally. Including protection against water ingress.
Therefore, I ask: why are these victorious reports that characterize the excellent characteristics of the American engine?
Make your own, test it - then brag.

[Piramidon]

Quote: snucerist

The engine will be different. As well as its characteristics.
Which will need to be tested and confirmed experimentally. Including protection against water ingress.

Do you have any idea what it means to replace engines on an already comprehensively tested aircraft? ALL engines, even in the process of R&D, are tested at stands, including water ingress into them. What can change from the fact that another, similarly tested engine is placed in the same nacelle?
Py.Sy. It is useless to argue here on the site with such stubborn amateurs (you always know everything better than anyone else, and have already shown yourself from this side, gaining a decent negative rating). As my squadron commander used to say, regarding people like you, "Born to crawl, don't get confused on the runway."

[VO3A]

The engine is equipped with a drive box that provides rotation of generators and pumps for all aircraft systems. Our engine should be equipped with our generators and pumps, and ensure the operation of all aircraft systems, but already our systems ... Can you catch the difference? Replacing engines changes all systems on the aircraft, generators, pumps, distribution systems, pipelines, actuators ... Is it clear now? This is a different plane, different systems ... Only the hull seems to be the same ...
If they adapt to foreigners and dock and change in stages, the khan will be returned to the plane again, like a Superjet ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: VO3A

Replacing engines changes all systems on the aircraft, generators, pumps, distribution systems, pipelines, actuators ... Is it clear now? This is a different plane, different systems ... Only the hull seems to be the same ...

The power supply system of our aircraft is similar to foreign ones since the time of copying the B-29 - Tu-4. Direct current - 27 volts, alternating current - 208, 115, 36 volts 400 hertz. And what prevents the connection of hydraulic pumps from one engine to another in the general trunk system of the aircraft?

If they adapt to foreigners and dock and change in stages, the khan will be returned to the plane again, like a Superjet ...

Well, of course, everything is gone again, all such oaks do not understand how to do it, except for such "experts" as you are on the VO website.

[VO3A]

The person does not display anything and draws conclusions ...

[Rustam Sadriev]

PW motors will be installed for overseas customers. Inside the country, they plan to use their own.

[VO3A]

PW motors will be installed for overseas customers. Inside the country, they plan to use their own.

Not everything is so simple, read my comment above.
I think now you can imagine what harm was done to the domestic aircraft industry by pests, traitors and thieves who created the Superjet and killed the Tu-334, which was already ready ... Get it out of the ground and plant it, it's a pity that you can't shoot ... will tell you what they did with those specialists who immediately spoke about it?

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: VO3A

killed the Tu-334, which was already ready

You cannot kill a stillborn. This is still a legacy of the Soviet school. It would not have taken root in modern market realities. Moreover, it assumed the unification of production with that 204.

[VO3A]

You cannot kill a stillborn. This is still a legacy of the Soviet school. It would not have taken root in modern market realities. Moreover, it assumed the unification of production with that 204.

In each of your proposals, just stupidity shows through, and you are still thinking about technology !!! Sometimes it's better to be silent. You read what you wrote ..

[Alexander Seklitsky]

What are you unable to comprehend? The fact that by the time the aircraft was created, it was already outdated? That it didn't have its own efficient engines, that it had three crew members? And there are many more disadvantages. But can you list me the advantages of this pepelatsa?

[K-612-O]

What do you think to do with 120 already purchased motors? Irkut to keep them forever?

[Maki maki]

I have completely different associations about "Manturov, Rogozin and others like them" and pouring the foundation.

[Piramidon]

Quote: RUnnm

And then, for sure, the United States will impose sanctions and we will be left without engines and without an aircraft !!!

Read the entire article before scattering the exclamation marks.

The newest Russian aircraft MS-21 with domestic PD-14 engines will make its first flight before the end of this year.

[Rubi0]

UAC released a cool video the other day, a beautiful car, even the tests are fascinating

[svp67]

Quote: Rubi0

beautiful car, even tests are fascinating

In the Yakovlev Design Bureau, all passenger planes are beautiful

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

Ehhe, when every third plane in the world was produced in the USSR, but now ???

[KCA]

Can you tell me which country other than the United States (although this is conditional, the whole world, including Russia, works for Boeing), Canada, Brazil, China and Russia produces at least one airliner a year? If anything, Watermelon is the united forces of Europe, and I'm asking about the country

[Stirbjorn]

Japan - Mitsubishi Regional Jet
And so, taking into account the Airbus from Europe, large especially developed countries, there is no more production for this. Still, the technique is complicated

[KCA]

I asked about a country that produced at least one airliner in a year, and so far there is no MRJ, it seems, together with the MC-21, they will only go into series

[Stirbjorn]

Well, Vicki claims that 8 aircraft have been produced since 2015. And the Chinese ones, too, have not gone into series yet

[Vadim237]

For all the time, the USSR sold 7 civilian aircraft for currency - everything else was supplied for thanks and barter.

[Rubi0]

This is the best answer to those who shout about a third of the world's planes.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Vadim237

For all the time, the USSR sold 7 civilian aircraft for currency - everything else was supplied for thanks and barter.

I saw at one time how they treated in the so-called. "countries of people's democracy" and "socialist orientation" to the Soviet freebie. At the slightest malfunction, new aircraft were pushed with a flight time of 100-200 hours into a sump (dump) outside the airfield. And what to regret, "sovetiko" will send more.

[avia12005]

If you draw up a table where Manturov's promises will be on the left, and marks on their fulfillment on the right, you will be pleasantly surprised.

[Free wind]

Interestingly, at the beginning of 18, they promised to perform the first flight at the beginning of 19. I look at modern airplanes, the ground clearance is like that of a passenger car, it’s scary, but if it hits the concrete with an engine.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Free Wind

I look at modern airplanes, the ground clearance is like a passenger car, something is scary, but if the engine hits the concrete

Well, if you break the chassis, then anyone will strike.

[Kelwin]

The main problem is that AK parks are already equipped with a and b. Where to sell that fishing line ...

[Rubi0]

If we introduce the initiative that planes for charters in Turkey should be produced in the Russian Federation, then just to transport this million tourists it will be necessary to build another plant.

[Kelwin]

Yes, this is logical, of course, but how to do it in practice? What, direct market regulation? Nobody will do it. Although yes, many of our participants, judging by the minuses, will be "for", but there is one but - how exactly to do this? Many who bought themselves a computer based on Elbrus? ... no, we are sitting on the western-Chinese ones. because they are like dirt - competition is unrealistic purely due to market saturation. And it's even more difficult with planes - the market уby two orders of magnitude ...

ZY Nobody says the plane is bad. Perhaps he is better than both A and B. But they have occupied the market for a long time, and it will be very difficult to kick them out of there.

[Rubi0]

Everything has long been invented in the United States, using the example of the same shipbuilding of theirs, the ships that operate in the US economic zone, you guessed it, should be built there, and for this they also give good loans.

[IGOR GORDEEV]

The newest Russian aircraft

The word "newest" is already on edge

[rocket757]

The balance can / should be presented when there are at least some results. In the meantime, the test and other necessary actions.
Boom look, then.

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In the meantime, they made a fan blade PD-35

[c2020]

I look at modern airplanes, the ground clearance is like a passenger car, something is scary, but if the engine hits the concrete

On many Soviet planes, in the event of a war, something could be hung under the wings, the engines were high in the back. Putting on the belly, in which case, would also be more convenient, more accurate. The engines were higher from the ground and less dust flew in, that is, there was less wear on the engine blades. Such an aircraft works better in a pinch and when landing on the ground. That is, everything was adapted for the real Russian harsh conditions, both military, and climatic and difficult operational, and personnel. Now everyone was spooked by foreigners and this makes the Russian aircraft fleet much more problematic. In military conditions, you can't hang anything under the wings (the engines hang there), the engines really almost scrape the ground, all the dirt flies there, which is why such aircraft are often called vacuum cleaners, now there are increased requirements for airfields and personnel, which is very expensive. All these "charms" are naturally not accidental. Experts understand this perfectly well, but no one asks them. There is one hundred percent sabotage at the decision-making level. As a specialist, they left one single function - to be scapegoats, scapegoats. All this applies not only to aircraft, but also to engines. Experts suggested a reasonable way - to continue mass production of 4th generation engines, gradually, evolutionarily improving engines up to the 5th generation. No. Brainless effective managers spread their fingers wide and swung their fingers straight at the 5th generation. As a result of mass production, there are no good Russian planes, Russia has become enslaved by Boeing and Airbus. Now it is a complete imitation of ebullient activity, but in reality - only Potemkin villages. It's bad when fools and pests rule aircraft.

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Quote: c2020

On many Soviet aircraft, in case of war, something could be suspended under the wings, the engines were high in the back.

We have military aircraft for war.

Quote: c2020

If something happens, it would also be more convenient to put on the belly,
more accurately.

Test landing SSJ-100 "on the belly" in Iceland:

Quote: c2020

The engines were higher from the ground and less dust flew in, that is, there was less wear on the engine blades. Such an aircraft works better in a pinch and when landing on the ground. That is, everything was adapted for the real Russian harsh conditions, both military, climatic and difficult operational, and personnel.

Operators of the new civilian technology are upgrading their airfields and airports to the modern level.

Apparently, your entire opus was written for this line: "As a result of mass production there are no good Russian aircraft" and further in the text

Will be.

[c2020]

We have military aircraft for war.

Your joke is out of place.

all your opus

sleep on slipped, it will be useful for aviation

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Quote: c2020

sleep on slipped, it will be useful for aviation

well, you don't even know english how will you fight?

[ancient]

Quote: slipped

Test landing SSJ-100 "on the belly" in Iceland:

This is the flight incident caused by the flight crew as ". Test flight"?
They had to pray to God that everything "ended well" !!!
Chronicle of events:
On July 21, 2013, at 05.25 local time at the airport of Keflavik (Reykjavik, Iceland), an aviation incident occurred with the Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft, tail number 97005.

At the final stage of certification tests for the expansion of operating conditions - automatic landing (certification program for the ICAO category CAT III A) in a crosswind when landing with an imitation of one engine failure, an aircraft touched the runway with the landing gear retracted.

At the time of the incident, there were five people on board, including three crew members, two experts from certification centers. Nobody on board was injured during landing. During the evacuation from the plane, one of the experts sustained a leg injury.
A Sukhoi Superjet 100 with serial number 95005 was used in flight tests under the CAT III A program. The first flight of this aircraft took place on February 4, 2010.

At the time of the incident, all aircraft systems were operating normally.

Reason:
IP assignment for July 20 (night):
- The first flight began at 19:56 on July 20, 13 laps on RWY 11 to 21:45.
- Second flight at 22:34, 6 laps on RWY 11, then 4 laps on RWY 20, until 0:30.
- Third flight at 1:16, 8 laps on RWY 20, then 5 laps on RWY 11, until 3:10.
- Fourth flight at 4:03, 7 laps on RWY 20, then 2 laps on RWY 11, before the accident
Conclusion - 46 (!!!!!!) landings are planned at night. !!!!
The leading engineer, and the head of the LIK ... should have been ... "sent" to retirement ... immediately

[slipped]

Quote: ancient

This is the flight incident caused by the flight crew as ". Test flight"?

I give out? The flight was a test flight for the aircraft.

You yourself wrote about it:

Quote: ancient

At the final stage of certification tests for

It is clear where you did not understand me.

I put it wrong - not a "test landing", but a "test flight" with a successful landing "on the belly" - will that suit you?

And the test program was tough, yes.

[ancient]

Quote: slipped

I give out? The flight was a test flight for the aircraft.

You yourself wrote about it:

I see ... aviation ... don't you treat it sideways?
Then I will explain ... certification tests (that is, the performance of flights) are held for each country and here just such flights were carried out to determine the possibility of operation in Iceland. but not...Ssj-100 test belly landing in Iceland:
how do you write

Quote: slipped

not a "test landing", but a "test flight" with a successful belly landing - will that suit you?

No .. categorically .. because it is also .. stupidity.
This is an accident ... point.

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And the test program was tough, yes.

The program was ... compiled ... you can't say without a mat ... since they flew .... July 2, 5, 7, 12, 13 and 18 one flight, all of these flights were in the daytime time.
And then in one night .... "zaherachili" already 4 flights with a conveyor belt .... perhaps ate cognac for joy before the end?

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Quote: ancient

I see ... aviation ... don't you treat it sideways?

I do not belong So, as a child, I jumped on a LAC-14 and jumped with an oak tree five times. I flew on hang gliders, on "Slavutich".

Quote: ancient

No .. categorically .. because it is also .. stupidity.
This is an accident ... point.

But the landing in a test flight, as a result of the flight accident, was successful.

[ancient]

Quote: slipped

But landing in a test flight, as a result of a flight accident was successful

"Successful" in what? That this is an incident and not a disaster?

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Quote: ancient

Quote: slipped

But landing in a test flight, as a result of a flight accident was successful

"Successful" in what? That this is an incident and not a disaster?

Those that sat down successfully. No fire. After the repair, the aircraft is still in operation.

[ancient]

Quote: slipped

Those that sat down successfully.

There are no such criteria for determining ... can be characterized as a safe landing or completion of a flight with a successful outcome ...

Quote: slipped

After the repair, the aircraft is still in operation.

Do you know how much "sweat, blood and tears" was shed to raise and restore it for the possibility of a flight to the native "penates"?

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Quote: ancient

Do you know how much "sweat, blood and tears" was shed to raise and restore it for the possibility of a flight to the native "penates"?

As a result, they raised and restored the same.

Maybe someday you will write a memoir about this, if, of course, you were directly related to it. Remember Nikolai Ostrovsky - even being blind, he wrote his memoirs lying in bed. By the way, without laughing, now in China they are given out for the state award in the form of such a nice book.

[d4rkmesa]

Some kind of unintelligible grumbling. Nobody calls it vacuum cleaners, in the 80s it finally came to light that the debris streams along the fuselage mainly raise.

[MelkorAintGood]

This blade does not look like the dimension of a blade for a GE90 engine (35 tons, a fan under 3100 mm in diameter). More like a paddle for pd-14

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Quote: MelkorAintGood

More like a paddle for pd-14

this dimension is because the blade is being tested on the PD-14, this video says about it.

[Rostislav]

Is there a limit value for the amount of water that gets into the engine that will not lead to damage? In the rain they fly, incl. and in the tropics, where there are rainstorms. Anyone who knows this information will share?
I wonder how the protection against lightning is checked?

[iouris]

If there is no engine, where does the plane come from?

[Alexey Bobrin]

Prepare for export

[alien308]

In my unprofessional opinion, the device has a lot in common with the Boeing 737 MAX: a narrow wing, a powerful engine with a large diameter carried far ahead. It is interesting to compare the wing loading.

[c2020]

well, you don't even know english

But you slipped did not slip with your knowledge of English ...

I give out?

You not only give out ... So where did you manage to get, slipped?

But landing in a test flight, as a result of a flight accident was successful

No one doubts that it is with you that flight accidents should be associated, especially in test flights ...

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Quote: c2020

But you slipped did not slip with your knowledge of English ...

Quote: c2020

You not only give out ... So where did you manage to get, slipped?

Quote: c2020

No one doubts that it is with you that flight accidents should be associated, especially in test flights ...

some incoherent set of sentences are you ill?

[Courier]

What American engines, the United States only has a printing press.

Engines Chinese there is an industry, what a damn SESHA

[Vadim237]

In the USA the industry is very powerful - they produce everything.

[Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)]

Quote: vVvAD

It means that the "partners" are to blame, and not their own mischief

You haven't read Saltykov-Shchedrin at school?

[APASUS]

I'm sure that the Americans will supply engines to the MS-21-300 and will remain silent, but as soon as ours try to refuse, there will be immediately sanctions against the aircraft, manufacturer, design bureau, and so on.