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Why negotiations between Moscow and Minsk are not going on

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Interesting questions



Considering the problems of relations between Russia and Belarus, it is impossible not to note one characteristic feature: the almost complete absence of "horizontal contacts", informal ties. They do not exist, there is no class. Absent in the political field. And one more thing: Belarusians in relations with Russia like to replace politics with economics and talk about it endlessly, and so, if we consider politics and ideology strictly and strictly, then our surprise will never end.

In this sense, Belarus is strictly oriented towards the West, despite the fact that de facto no one speaks foreign languages ​​and is not going to. And no one really knows even Belarusian, but politically and ideologically the choice was made in favor of the West. Almost like in Ukraine. In order to somehow "blur" this issue, the following tricks are usually used: it is the economy (and only the economy!) That is discussed, as already mentioned, and at the same time numerous conflicts are deliberately provoked.

And, they say, we have such a broad agenda! Well, that's so wide! Incredibly wide! And so it is wide, and so even wider. And you can endlessly discuss it. And at all levels the Belarusians are ready to do it just excitedly ... But if we put aside the shrimp-milk-credit-gas issues, it will be very quickly found out that, in fact, there is no political there is no agenda and is not planned. And this is precisely the “main problem” of Russian-Belarusian relations.

The Russian side is primarily interested in political issues, but the Belarusians are not ready to discuss them categorically. Let's first solve all the issues in the field of economics, but then… And this song has been going on for twenty-five years. A quarter century of discussion on "economic issues". As a matter of fact, for almost a whole year (2019) a meeting of a certain joint commission on ... various issues of integration lasted.

It ended in nothing. Nothing at all. That is, it was not possible to achieve any visible results. After the fact, Lukashenka’s position: yes, this is all nonsense, it’s vanity. Let's tackle serious issues: oil and gas. And on loans. And on access to the Russian market. And customs control. This is serious, this is relevant. The Belarusian leadership is ready to discuss these issues.

The trouble is that in and of themselves these very “pressing questions” are not at all interesting to the Russian leadership. Outside of understanding what our relationship actually is? No, of course, “turn on the fool” is an incredibly powerful strategy, but you can't really build interstate relations on this for decades! And when all political issues are parried by "friendship and international law", after which the struggle smoothly flows into the economic parterre. And the Belarusians never leave there.

On this issue, the author is a categorical opponent of the "joint" discussion of economic and political issues, since it gives nothing but confusion. That is, for example, you will never wait for answers to the simplest questions (where did all Russian subsidies go?), But allThat is, in general, everything, the economic problems of the modern RB are automatically hung up on Russia. It is not clear what independence is here.

Less interesting questions


But if you plunge and plunge into purely modern politics, then everything will immediately become gray, faded, sad and uninteresting. Because everything is absolutely clear and absolutely sad here. There is nothing good and interesting for Russia there, neither in domestic Belarusian politics, nor in foreign.

That is, when the mass distribution of Pole's cards does not raise any questions from the state at all, and three "pro-Russian publicists" are indicatively judged for an incomprehensible reason - this is somehow rather strange. Once again: supposedly the Republic of Belarus is the best and last ally of Russia, let's say, so, some citizens published (under pseudonyms) a number of articles in Russia. And this was the reason for the harshest reaction of the official Minsk. The people were handcuffed and tried.

At the same time, these actions did not meet with any rejection in the Belarusian people: it should be so. And supposedly this is precisely the main threat to the Belarusian sovereignty. At the same time, no one stuttered at all about the “basic European value” - freedom of speech, or friendship with Russia. At the same time and in parallel, the Polish state is actively distributing Pole cards to Belarusian youth (and not only). Tens of thousands are giving out these same cards.

So, just this (!) The Belarusian state is not interested in anything and in any way. This does not raise any questions. I, of course, greatly apologize, but how can you not notice and how can you ignore it? I mean from both Minsk and Moscow? Where, strictly speaking, is Belarus going? Belarusian agitators like to emphasize how tough and straightforward the dad is, how he keeps everyone in his fist and how “you’re not spoiled” with him.

It may be so, but even in post-Maidan Ukraine, the distribution of Hungarian passports caused a scandal and an outbreak of nationalism. After all, everyone understands where all this is leading. And in Belarus - nothing, silence. This alone can raise a million questions: what kind of “independent” future is Mr. Lukashenko preparing for his country by 2030? Even if the Ukrainians are sincerely outraged by the actions of official Budapest. And in Minsk, no, "everything is calm."

That is, both completely open Russophobia and quite openly pro-Polish politics do not raise any serious questions in anyone in Minsk. Excuse me, but what do you want to talk to them about? About gas prices? If popular Belarusian newspapers do not publish anything bad about Poland (never!) And nothing good about Russia, then somehow it all falls into place. The Belarusians like to brag that, they say, they did not throw mud at the Union. Well, maybe in the 90s it was so ... but today popular newspapers regularly publish "exposing articles" about "crimes of the Soviet government against Belarusians."

Once again, if we decisively separate those very "economic questions", then our amazement will have no limit. The situation, as it were, immediately and sharply exacerbated and takes on an openly conflicting character. As a matter of fact, even Russians already feel this and automatically switch to “safe” economic issues. These very “economic” arguments, they say, where is Belarus without the Russian market, are frankly annoying. And this, frankly, is scary.

That is all so is it bad that it is simply impossible to discuss political issues between Belarus and Russia? So it turns out, or what? Many will disagree with me, but, in general, political issues are somewhat more important than economic ones. Somewhat more prioritized. We get some kind of stupid circus: any attempt to discuss them leads to a very painful reaction of the Belarusian side. There literally nervous breakdowns begin. What about foreign policy issues, what about domestic political issues ...

And what are these Belarusians so “gentle”? What are these constant screams about independence? Why does the political dialogue as such have no place at all? To be honest, this whole integration is a very complex and long topic. And darling. That is, even if some "thirty-first cards" were signed, the matter would not move very quickly. For quite objective reasons.

Anyone who is a little in the subject of Belarus will say directly: there is such a political swamp that even if you sign the first card, or even the thirty-first one, there will be no use. Won't work... Everything is pointless and useless. We signed a lot of things with the Belarusians and agreed on a lot of things - zero sense. But even attempt to conduct a dialogue with the Belarusian side (almost the entire 19-th year there were negotiations of two delegations on integration) led to nothing but conflicts.

During the year of negotiations, the high sides did not agree on anything, nothing at all. That is, nothing at all, in the literal sense of the word. Once again: the working language is Russian. Negotiations have been going on for a year. No real results.

The funny thing is that in the minds of Belarusians there are “a million unresolved issues” in relations with Moscow, it is clear that “economic”. Obsessive ideas that simply keep them awake late at night. I give a tip: the main reason for their unsolvability is the unresolved political issues.

As the Cat Matroskin said: in order to sell something unnecessary, you must first buy something unnecessary. So, for Belarus (as Belarusians themselves like to say), politics is not so important, the economy is important. Well, the flag is in their hands! For Mr Putin, political issues are more important, and this seems to be a reason for dialogue. But no! Somehow it didn't work out.

The political dialogue has not taken place for 25 years. It is just that the Belarusians by "negotiations" mean exclusively economic negotiations. All.

That is, the very "dead end" that arose in the relationship should have arisen much earlier. Much. While there was the question of money, there was some kind of "movement", as soon as the question reached big politics, the negotiations got up tight. And, as a matter of fact, the Belarusian side demonstratively refused them (we do not trade in sovereignty!). And what, excuse me, do you trade then? And with whom, if not a secret?
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  1. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 9 August 2020 15: 08
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    The author "tightly" confuses the interests of the Belarusian people and Father repeat laughing

    I have many friends and relatives in Belarus, and so - the people are "for" the friendship of peoples - and Lukashenka before this "friendship of peoples" - "pee on it from the high bell tower" ... belay

    The most important thing for him is to preserve his power until the end of his life ... and whether any of the Belarusians will survive - this worries him in the last place !!! am
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 9 August 2020 15: 17
      -5
      While there was the question of money, there was some kind of "movement", as soon as the question reached big politics, the negotiations got up tight.

      And what's so surprising! Lukashenka, translated into simple language, demands “kalym” before “marriage”. And all business. yes
      1. For example
        For example 9 August 2020 16: 09
        +4
        Quote: Corona without virus
        The author "tightly" confuses the interests of the Belarusian people and Father

        Is there someone else in this world acre of the President of Belarus who expresses the interests of the Belarusian people?
        Can you name this person?
        The President of Belarus speaks on behalf of the Belarusian people.
        The elections will show who will broadcast on behalf of the inhabitants of Belarus in the coming years.
        It seems that again the people there confirm the powers of the current president.

        I have many friends and relatives in Belarus


        This nonsense has already got
        - I am the daughter of an officer, my friends living there, my relatives living there, my grandmothers at my entrance said ...
        1. nickname7
          nickname7 9 August 2020 17: 18
          +2
          ... Is there someone else in this world acre of the President of Belarus who expresses the interests of the Belarusian people?

          Belarus is Lukashenka, he strives for personal power under the guise of the interests of the people, the position gives him the standard of living of a billionaire, lives in luxury, a private jet, a car fleet, Lukashenka needs luxury, not the people.
          If money from this useless bureaucratic superstructure is directed to the salaries of the people, then the people will live better.
          1. gurzuf
            gurzuf 9 August 2020 17: 37
            +2
            Do you think that the candidate girl "should be directed the money from this useless bureaucratic superstructure to the salaries of the people"?
        2. Greg Miller
          Greg Miller 9 August 2020 19: 55
          +8
          The interests of the Belarusian people are of no interest to anyone at all ... Neither the Kremlin, nor the ruling class in Belarus under the leadership of the AHL. The Russian leadership has no interests at all in Belarus, the US and the West have interests - they work closely with the opposition and with the representative of the AHL - Makei. Russia, on the other hand, has withdrawn itself from all processes taking place in Belarus. She only generously finances this "banquet", content with scraps from the master's table and generously pays all the bills for it. Why Belarus needs this - I understand, but why Russia - I don't understand ... But if you take all this globally, that the interests of Russia as a state and the interests of the ruling offshore maggots in Russia are completely different things, then everything becomes everything understandably.
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 11 August 2020 09: 41
            +2
            they work closely with the opposition and with the representative of the AHL - Makei.

            Just BUY. Do you suggest that Russia do the same? Will you give money for this? We "give" money under a different "sauce" - in principle, we support the economy of Belarus. That is, we are guided by PRAGMATISM, not EMOTIONS. What is happening now is precisely the EMOTIONAL color, not the PRAGMATIC. You are playing the west flute.
            1. Greg Miller
              Greg Miller 11 August 2020 21: 21
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              Do you know this saying: "If you like to ride - love to carry sledges." ??? For 30 years dragging sledges behind Belarus, Russia has never been able to “ride” itself ... So there is no sense in maintaining the economy of Belarus, in this situation, for Russia.
    2. Doctor
      Doctor 9 August 2020 15: 32
      0
      I have many friends and relatives in Belarus, and so - the people "for" the friendship of peoples - and Lukashenka before this "friendship of peoples" - "pee on it from a high bell tower" ... belay

      He is for friendship. He just asks himself the question, what's next?
      What will happen to MAZ, Belaz, Minsk Tractor, Rogachev Dairy?
      And who will develop and enlarge it - Vekselberg, Kerimov, God Nisanov or Chubais right away.
      It seems to me that he has a headache about this.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 9 August 2020 15: 48
        -5
        Quote: Arzt

        He is for friendship. He just asks himself the question, what's next?
        What will happen to MAZ, Belaz, Minsk Tractor, Rogachev Dairy?
        And who will develop and enlarge it - Vekselberg, Kerimov, God Nisanov or Chubais right away.
        It seems to me that he has a headache about this.

        This is exactly what I had in mind in my commentary, saying that the Old Man demands "kalym". He needs guarantees that after Belarus joins Russia, the Belarusian industry will not be plundered and taken away by Russian oligarchs. But who can give such guarantees now? Even Putin cannot afford it. It turns out the "Gordian knot". I just hope this knot will not be cut with the sword.
        1. Gost2012
          Gost2012 9 August 2020 16: 04
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          Quote: SRC P-15
          Quote: Arzt

          He is for friendship. He just asks himself the question, what's next?
          What will happen to MAZ, Belaz, Minsk Tractor, Rogachev Dairy?
          And who will develop and enlarge it - Vekselberg, Kerimov, God Nisanov or Chubais right away.
          It seems to me that he has a headache about this.

          This is exactly what I had in mind in my commentary, saying that the Old Man demands "kalym". He needs guarantees that after Belarus joins Russia, the Belarusian industry will not be plundered and taken away by Russian oligarchs. But who can give such guarantees now? Even Putin cannot afford it. It turns out the "Gordian knot". I just hope this knot will not be cut with the sword.

          The industry of Belarus is almost gone, what is left - has already been torn apart for a long time, this is all nonsense. There is no greater curse than AHL for any industry.
          1. For example
            For example 9 August 2020 17: 00
            +4
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            He needs guarantees that after Belarus joins Russia, the industry of Belarus will not be plundered and taken away by Russian oligarchs.

            Why is the Belarusian oligarch better than the Russian?

            Have drawn Soviet Belarus in their heads and live with illusions.

            Socialism ended just on the territory of Belarus. And one of the graduates was a Belarusian.

            At the moment, Russia is dragging Belarus on its shoulders.
            This is a fact.

            Or - one country.
            Or - zh0pa to zh0pe and who will fly further.

            For those who think that we have a military alliance, I ask a few questions:
            - to whom does the Minister of Defense of Belarus report?
            - where should the Minister of Defense send anyone other than the President of HIS country who orders him to?
            - which of the Russian military can give orders to the Belarusian general?

            1. Doctor
              Doctor 9 August 2020 17: 18
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              Why is the Belarusian oligarch better than the Russian?

              The fact that he is White-Russian.
              1. Aag
                Aag 13 August 2020 20: 21
                -1
                Quote: Arzt
                Why is the Belarusian oligarch better than the Russian?

                The fact that he is White-Russian.

                (+) ... And, less choked up ...
        2. nickname7
          nickname7 9 August 2020 17: 20
          0
          ... He needs guarantees that after Belarus joins Russia,

          These guarantees are very simple — property must be inviolable.
      2. Podvodnik
        Podvodnik 9 August 2020 18: 22
        +1
        What will happen to MAZ, Belaz, Minsk Tractor, Rogachev Dairy?


        That's what I'll tell you, dear syabry. The independence of Belarus is a ghostly myth. Several decades ago, some people committed a crime, deciding to reign in "their garden". Therefore, I propose that you finally hold a referendum and decide on the question: either you join Russia, or you still become an independent state. But then, in the second case, really be one.
        What is happening now can only be called a circus. You do not have a self-sufficient sovereign state. No! No matter how much you say "sugar", your mouth will not be sweeter. You are completely dependent on Russia in every sense. And neither you, nor your enterprises will ever be needed by anyone except Russia. You have no sovereign future without Russia.
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 9 August 2020 18: 42
          +1
          That's what I'll tell you, dear syabry. The independence of Belarus is a ghostly myth. Several decades ago, some people committed a crime, deciding to reign in "their garden". Therefore, I propose that you finally hold a referendum and decide on the question: either you join Russia, or you still become an independent state. But then, in the second case, really be one.
          What is happening now can only be called a circus. You do not have a self-sufficient sovereign state. No! No matter how much you say "sugar", your mouth will not be sweeter. You are completely dependent on Russia in every sense. And neither you, nor your enterprises will ever be needed by anyone except Russia. You have no sovereign future without Russia.

          The answer is, though not syabr. laughing
          For unification (or joining, no difference) with both hands!
          But. This will be a new state. It means that the President must be elected again.
          And then I agree. With one very little condition.
          Alexander Grigorievich Lukashenko also participates in the elections as a candidate.

          How, submariner, agree? wink
          1. Podvodnik
            Podvodnik 9 August 2020 18: 51
            0
            Alexander Grigorievich Lukashenko also participates in the elections as a candidate.


            I agree. Alexander Grigorievich, having become a citizen of Russia, will have the right to run for the presidency of the Russian Federation. Like any other citizens of the Russian Federation. I will come to the vote and make my choice.
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 9 August 2020 18: 53
              +1
              I agree. Alexander Grigorievich, having become a citizen of Russia, will have the right to run for the presidency of the Russian Federation. Like any other citizens of the Russian Federation. I will come to the vote and make my choice.

              This is a worthy answer! Plusanul.
              It remains to somehow implement all this ...
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 9 August 2020 23: 32
            +1
            Quote: Arzt
            This will be a new state. It means that the President must be elected again.

            Make a union state ... federal! Each side has its own constitution, its own authorities, but a single army, navy and aerospace forces. Why the States can live like this, but we only need a single Union unitary state. Zh0pa will be again! only a side view, because there is no single ideology, as it was in the USSR ... And the capitalist, like a dead man, has only HEELS in front of his eyes! and one "thought-ideology" - NAVE! For there is no such crime that the capitalist would not commit for the sake of 300% profit (see K. Marx "Capital")
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 9 August 2020 23: 52
              +2
              Make a union state ... federal! Each side has its own constitution, its own authorities, but a single Army, navy and VKS. Why the States can live like this, but we only need a single Union unitary state.

              We now have it.
              The first two chapters of the Constitution of the Republic of Sakha (Yakutia):

              1. The Republic of Sakha (Yakutia) is a democratic legal the statebased on the people's right to self-determination.

              2. The Republic of Sakha (Yakutia) has its own territory, population, Constitution and legislation, a system of public authorities, as well as state symbols and state languages.


              The president is still needed. One.
      3. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 9 August 2020 20: 43
        0
        Quote: Arzt
        He just asks himself the question, what's next?
        What will happen to MAZ, Belaz, Minsk Tractor, Rogachev Dairy?

        And so you can pull money from Russia, cheap resources and sing about brotherhood? And nothing that at the same time money is leaving our long-suffering country that we could spend on our needs? No, I understand that half would have been cut into their pocket by all sorts of effective managers, but the other half would still be spent on something necessary. Roads, hospitals, schools, science, all kinds of mat. help. I don't understand why we have to feed Belarusian oligarchs, officials and other parasites? Then again to get another knife in the back?
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 9 August 2020 21: 44
          +2
          And so you can pull money from Russia, cheap resources and sing about brotherhood? And nothing that at the same time money is leaving our long-suffering country that we could spend on our needs? No, I understand that half would have been cut into their pocket by all sorts of effective managers, but the other half would still be spent on something necessary. Roads, hospitals, schools, science, all kinds of mat. help. I don't understand why we have to feed Belarusian oligarchs, officials and other parasites? Then again to get another knife in the back?

          What is left for him?

          It so happened, the Union collapsed, at a sharp turn in the history of Belarus, it was lucky, at the helm was a man who cares about his land.

          He survives as best he can, but does not want to fall under the oligarchs who have seized power in the now neighboring state and does not want to give them his small homeland and his people to plunder.

          What's bad about it?
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 9 August 2020 22: 33
            +1
            Quote: Arzt
            He survives as best he can, but does not want to fall under the oligarchs who have seized power in the now neighboring state and does not want to give them his small homeland and his people to plunder.

            Multi-vector after Ukraine is a dirty word. And to be honest, we must admit that it is not so much about love for the country and the people as about love for oneself and understanding of political realities where his entourage and not only his entourage do not need a union state for a number of reasons, again very selfish.
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 9 August 2020 22: 42
              +1
              Multi-vector after Ukraine is a dirty word. And to be honest, we must admit that it is not so much about love for the country and the people as about love for oneself and understanding of political realities where his entourage and not only his entourage do not need a union state for a number of reasons, again very selfish.

              Even large and powerful countries have a multi-vector nature. Are we not maneuvering between the West and China?

              As for selfishness, why then all these trips to farms, factories and collective farms? Why waste energy on screwing up officials, trying to improve the surrounding reality?
              I would sit quietly for myself, slowly buying up the whole country for the family and those close to him, turning into an African king.
              However, for some reason he does not sit well. winked
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 9 August 2020 22: 50
                +1
                Quote: Arzt
                Even large and powerful countries have a multi-vector nature. Are we not maneuvering between the West and China?

                First, you misunderstood my idea a little. Secondly, do you know these inconsistent rushes of the Russian Federation between east and west categorically do not like.
                Quote: Arzt
                Why waste energy on screwing up officials, trying to improve the surrounding reality?

                Because dad may not be very smart in some way, but he understands that if nichrome does not do everything for him, it will end very badly. And he is not going to a cottage near Rostov yet, and indeed he is not eager to get there.
          2. ZAV69
            ZAV69 10 August 2020 12: 52
            0
            Quote: Arzt
            He survives as best he can, but does not want to fall under the oligarchs who have seized power in the now neighboring state and does not want to give them his small homeland and his people to plunder.

            Excuse me, is this stamp about plundering not accidental for you? Well, our oligarchs came to Belarus, well, let's say they were able to buy something there. And what, immediately began to hand over the equipment for scrap? There are no fools here. All these products are sold in Russia. For labor collectives, nothing will change, perhaps even the expansion of production, because trained personnel is now a value. Well, top management may lose the feeder. And nothing more.
            The time of plundering ended a long time ago, to plunder, to take the grandmothers over the hill and there are no longer those who want to lose them. But to create a production, produce goods, sell, and use the money over the hill, there are still those who want to. And many are already starting to use money here and not over the hill.
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 10 August 2020 13: 59
              +2
              Excuse me, is this stamp about plundering not accidental for you? Well, our oligarchs came to Belarus, well, let's say they were able to buy something there. And what, immediately began to hand over the equipment for scrap? There are no fools here. All these products are sold in Russia. For labor collectives, nothing will change, perhaps even the expansion of production, because trained personnel is now a value. Well, top management may lose the feeder. And nothing more.

              Yeah. As in Usoliekhimprom. He lived a combine, worked, produced products, labor collectives received salaries.
              And then Rusnano and Sberbank "bought out" a controlling stake, supposedly we will produce polysilicon for microcircuits. Laughing.
              The ferrous metal was cut off, bankrupt, and the rest were sold in parts.
              Trained personnel in the trash heap, top management in chocolate.
              Our President expressed himself about ecology without surnames, “to be honest, no one has ever done this.”
              Now RKhBZ MO is engaged.
              1. ZAV69
                ZAV69 10 August 2020 17: 45
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                In the 90s, in the region, everything was covered with a copper basin: mines, agricultural machinery, a construction office, two distilleries, a canning factory. Right now the SCA plant, the newest bakery (makes frozen buns) has been built. All roads in the area were repaired. Farmer's fields are being uprooted and plowed right now. The former canning dairy was bought out and is now being redesigned. So not everyone was lucky to get under Chubais.
                In Novomoskovsk and Shchekino, all the local chemical smoke is working.
                And if you look at our neighbors, Kaluga, there are a couple of car assembly plants working there.
                And when you drive along the M4, there are a lot of new KAMAZ vehicles.
                I would follow one example, to which Chubais also had a hand in everything, and did not judge the whole country.
                1. Aag
                  Aag 13 August 2020 20: 54
                  0
                  "... I would follow one example, to which Chubais also had a hand about everything, and did not judge the whole country ...."
                  Oh, one at a time ?!
                  And Deripaska, with all the aluminum and the power grid owed?
                  And Artem Chaika, how much did he lose weight, did he squeeze (only according to open data)?
                  ... And you mean frozen buns ...
    3. antivirus
      antivirus 9 August 2020 15: 35
      +2
      no one really knows even Belarusian, but politically and ideologically the choice was made in favor of the West

      - while the interest in Russia in enrichment (oligarchs) is more profitable for Belarusians - it is more expensive to sell to the west
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 9 August 2020 15: 54
        0
        steered-wali ... concerns Everything else - "absurdity and cooperation" (C)
    4. gurzuf
      gurzuf 9 August 2020 17: 29
      +2
      I wonder which of the candidates (excluding Lukashenko) is for this very - friendship of peoples?
    5. Hagen
      Hagen 9 August 2020 17: 39
      +2
      Quote: Corona without virus
      The author "tightly" confuses the interests of the Belarusian people and Father

      Rather, you are confusing the group of persons who determine the behavior of the state on the external and internal circuits, with the people who are silent. In matters of interaction with the state, one must first of all consider the behavior and motivations of the management group. After all, it is this group under the direct control of Lukashenka that surrenders its state not even to the EU, but to Poland. And through her, the United States. While the people are silent, nobody is interested in their interests. request
      1. Sergey V.
        Sergey V. 9 August 2020 17: 54
        +2
        The people are not just silent. They just shut him up. Look on the Internet for information about the presidential elections that are currently taking place. The picture will become clearer for you. Only members from government agencies and pro-government "public" organizations were admitted to the PEC. About 50 (yes, thousands) of applications from ordinary citizens were simply rejected. Independent observers are not admitted to polling stations. On the streets, people in civilian clothes are grabbed for no reason. the testimony of two militiamen is sufficient for a verdict.
        So the statement that Lukashenka expresses the howl of the people is complete nonsense!
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 9 August 2020 18: 33
          +2
          Quote: Sergey Viktorovich
          The people are not just silent. They just shut him up.

          In a word, you can't hear it. And that's what I mean.
          Quote: Sergey Viktorovich
          So the statement that Lukashenka expresses the howl of the people is complete nonsense!

          Did I tell you that? I am convinced that the interests of the people are on his side. Most likely, he does not know very deeply about them, because he has no need ... Most likely, he is looking for a place of residence in retirement, and he does not want to live next to Yanyk. Decrypt?
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    7. nickname7
      nickname7 9 August 2020 17: 47
      +2
      They need money, but the Russian Federation has the right to demand loyalty for money.
      It is not a pity to give them money, you can even enter an official item of expenditure in the budget of the Russian Federation. "Fund for the Support of Belarus". But everything should be formalized and written down on paper, otherwise "muddy water" and uncertainty will result. Money loves the bill. Learn from the IMF how it's done.
      Parties: the independent country of the Republic of Belarus (a content woman, there is nothing to be ashamed of) and the Russian Federation. Responsibilities of the parties: the fund transfers bucks to
      RB, but the owner undertakes to be loyal to the Russian Federation and, for her part, maintain good neighborliness, comply with customs legislation (not import counter-gang), etc.
      Divide the amount into tranches and transfer it depending on the fulfillment of obligations by the Republic of Belarus.
      Why this has not been done testifies to the incompetence of the Kremlin.
    8. ccsr
      ccsr 9 August 2020 18: 08
      0
      Quote: Corona without virus
      The author "tightly" confuses the interests of the Belarusian people and Father

      Nothing of the kind, the author raised an important topic that had been artificially hushed up for many years in our Politbomond, and everything was presented almost as an example of relations between allied states. But now everyone can see that there is no union, and the latest trick of Lukashenka and his KGB has shown that they are ready for anything, including provocations against our citizens. So there is no need to tell us about the interests of "ordinary" Belarusians, who willingly sold us Polish apples and Baltic fish, bypassing the sanctions that Russia was forced to use in response to the actions of our enemies. And it is very sad that the Belarusians behaved the same way as the Ukrainians, so it is necessary to rely on these "allies" with great caution, and make sure that they do not fumble in our pocket, while swearing honesty.
      Quote: Corona without virus
      I have many friends and relatives in Belarus, and so

      So they will elect Lukashenka once again, thereby proving that the policy of this collective farm chairman suits them perfectly. But for some reason they don't remember us, even though they say that we are "brothers" ...
    9. rocket757
      rocket757 9 August 2020 21: 11
      +1
      Quote: Corona without virus
      I have many friends and relatives in Belarus, and so - the people are "for" the friendship of peoples - and Lukashenko

      Oh, how this is all KNOWN!
      More recently, with one "brotherly side", this is exactly how it all began !!!
      It's high time to separate flies from cutlets! And coy someone from free \ cheap a lot of things!
      After all, no one was pulled by the tongue, everything is strictly on business.
  2. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 9 August 2020 15: 11
    15
    I have long understood that Lukashenko is leading the Kremlin and the Russians with the union state by the nose ... he is a scam.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 9 August 2020 15: 21
      +8
      Doesn't go, he is the chairman himself!
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 9 August 2020 15: 36
        -6
        Sometimes it seems that Elkin is simply secretly (or not so secretly) in love with Putin. The feeling that he is waking up and falling asleep only with thoughts of him. And if it weren't for Putin, Elkin would have simply hanged himself from despair that very day.
        1. nickname7
          nickname7 9 August 2020 17: 23
          0
          ... Sometimes it seems that Elkin is simply secretly (or not so secretly) in love with Putin.

          It is believed that this is a religious reverence, Putin is revered as Chernobog.
          1. RUnnm
            RUnnm 9 August 2020 17: 45
            -1
            Yes, with this "artist" everything is much simpler - a regular employee of "Svoboda", and his other "pictures" can not be sold to anyone else. Just business. Nothing personal.
            I also liked the way the non-brothers minus us. It's really funny ...
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 9 August 2020 20: 49
          0
          It's just that a person monetizes the HYIP. Someone around Putin, someone around the same Furgal. And so what? "Make money, make money. The rest is all bullshit." laughing
    2. Igoresha
      Igoresha 9 August 2020 17: 20
      +1
      I have long understood that Lukashenko is leading the Kremlin and the Russians with the union state by the nose ... he is a scam.


      no matter how it was mutually and everyone was happy, the sums of money are huge, they’re running out of the NPP
  3. RUnnm
    RUnnm 9 August 2020 15: 18
    10
    It seems that the question here is much deeper and more serious. Ok, does the author say that the Russian side is ready to discuss political issues? What are they? The format of the union state has long been designated by Putin - a simple accession. And what will it give Belarus? It should be understood that under capitalism, Russian groups are afraid for the absorption of the economy of the Republic of Belarus, while the latter resist them. And this is quite natural. And what else can we offer as the main attractive factor? Social orientation, socialist, citizen-centered ideology? The absence of corruption, the objectivity of history, the development of the economy and welfare at a multiple level better than in Belarus? Also no! So what can we really propose and discuss without having an internal consensus on the most important issues, without having an economic, ideological or social basis? It seems that apart from economic, mutually beneficial areas, we have nothing to offer so far. First, you need to put things in order at home. But this is my personal opinion.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 9 August 2020 15: 20
      +9
      Then why even discuss the issue of an alliance with such different interests.
      1. RUnnm
        RUnnm 9 August 2020 15: 32
        +6
        I would ask differently why we missed this chance earlier, when this union was real. And now I agree - there is no point in even discussing this issue, we must first make Russia more attractive to its neighbors than it is now, and only then discuss the issues of accession, association or in some other form. In the meantime, in this situation, invest in joint economic, cultural, historical and educational programs. Conduct joint conferences, student exchange, give grants to attract the best students of the Republic of Belarus to work in Russia (while not forgetting about their own), etc. All these techniques and methods are known, just develop them and apply them wisely, and not as mentoring is necessary.
        1. bar
          bar 9 August 2020 18: 45
          +1
          I would ask differently why we missed this chance earlier, when this union was real.

          And I would not ask otherwise, but directly - and for a year this union was real? Couldn't it be when Yeltsin, Shushkevich and Kravchuk were pouring for three in the USSR Belovezhskaya Pushcha?
      2. dauria
        dauria 9 August 2020 22: 54
        +3
        Then why even discuss the issue of an alliance with such different interests.


        The answer is the strategic geographic location of Belarus. This is what the Old Man sells. If it was a piece of Africa, he would get what he got from Poland (USA) and from Russia. And so it is needed by the Poles (Americans), and the Russians. It is too fat for NATO if Moscow finds itself in the operational depth of the front, and Smolensk in the tactical one.
        And his factories, milk, shoes are only a joy to competitors if they bend.
        However, who this daddy was was perfectly clear from his hysterical fear and readiness to bow to even the Banderaites, even the Americans. Tfu.
    2. Sergey V.
      Sergey V. 9 August 2020 17: 56
      0
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH_pmjfkZdM
    3. Kisa
      Kisa 9 August 2020 19: 04
      +3
      the author correctly noted about the Polish passporting, although officially, as it were, a union state with the Russian Federation. All Polish passport now gives much more perspectives in terms of career earnings and future life. but 60-80% of the Belarusian economy is the sales market of the Russian Federation - FROM HERE AND DOUBLE
    4. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 9 August 2020 20: 58
      +1
      Quote: RUnnm
      It seems that apart from economic, mutually beneficial areas, we have nothing to offer so far.

      But judging by what has been happening lately, this very benefit is less and less. The global economic crisis has severely cut the pie and the bolivar is no longer pulling two. This means that the shitty Belarusian hustlers will be kicked out of our market by our shitty hustlers and other sturgeon cuts. And with regards to the union state, this chimera in the current economic realities has practically no chance.
  4. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 9 August 2020 15: 20
    +4
    Quote: SRC P-15
    While there was the question of money, there was some kind of "movement", as soon as the question reached big politics, the negotiations got up tight.

    And what's so surprising! Lukashenka, translated into simple language, demands “kalym” before “marriage”. And all business.

    The question is that Lukashenka does not agree that having received a kalym, he will be deprived of his innocence on his “wedding night” ... repeat bully He then considers himself "smart" laughing lol
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 9 August 2020 15: 24
      +3
      Quote: Corona without virus
      The question is that Lukashenka does not agree that having received a kalym, he will be deprived of his innocence on the "wedding night" ... He then considers himself "smart"

      Here the question is that the "bride" was already "under the aisle"! yes What kind of innocence can we talk about here? - Belarus was already part of the USSR.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 9 August 2020 16: 47
        +2
        There is such an anecdote from the life of Nicholas I, One landowner complained to the tsar that his daughter ran away with an officer and married him. Nicholas wrote a resolution: The officer should be demoted, his daughter returned, recognized as a maiden ..
  5. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 9 August 2020 15: 32
    +1
    Quote: SRC P-15
    Quote: Corona without virus
    The question is that Lukashenka does not agree that having received a kalym, he will be deprived of his innocence on the "wedding night" ... He then considers himself "smart"

    Here the question is that the "bride" was already "under the aisle"! yes What kind of innocence can we talk about here? - Belarus was already part of the USSR.

    I give a certificate laughing
    Our Putin, according to his ambitions, is soooo ,,, "the second guy in the village" bully
    But father is the head of everything !!! without him, even the cows do not give milk - if he himself, personally, does not control wassat
  6. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 9 August 2020 15: 33
    +9
    There are no negotiations because Russia is already tired of negotiations for the sake of negotiations!
  7. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 9 August 2020 15: 37
    +3
    Quote: antivirus
    no one really knows even Belarusian, but politically and ideologically the choice was made in favor of the West

    - while the interest in Russia in enrichment (oligarchs) is more profitable for Belarusians - it is more expensive to sell to the west

    Nobody has made any choice in Belarus in either direction tongue
    But father - he just retains his power, he doesn't care whether the West or the East - the main thing is that he was the Main hi
  8. UserGun
    UserGun 9 August 2020 15: 38
    -11 qualifying.
    "And what, excuse me, do you trade then? And with whom, if not a secret?""

    Well, I don't know .... It may be a secret for you))) https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_Trade_Belorussia

    I must say right away that a lot of things in the Russian Federation are tightly tied to Belarus, and if everything is torn apart, as you probably want, then the consequence will be an even greater decrease in the standard of living of the Russian Federation, by the way, of Belarus too. So I would beware of your "politicization" ... China is trading us on a much larger scale, but no one in their right mind demands concessions from China, rather the opposite))) Belarus is not Venezuela, which you can have however you want in different poses.
    1. Olezhek
      9 August 2020 19: 25
      0
      I must say right away that a lot of things in the Russian Federation are tightly tied to Belarus, and if everything is broken, as you probably want, then the result will be an even greater decrease in the standard of living of the Russian Federation, and Belarus too.


      No, since you are so sure ... then let's try!
  9. demo
    demo 9 August 2020 15: 41
    10
    The author either forgot some points, or deliberately passed over in silence.
    Integration issues were discussed, but ran into Luka's unacceptable requirement - the presence of two emission centers.
    Later we all witnessed those tricks, in economic terms, (shrimp, apples, oil solvent, etc.).
    Those. give Luka free rein to print joint rubles, then in 5-7 years the subject of the Union State will turn into Switzerland (speculatively), and the second entity will start paying for it.
    Too rogue type Luke to trust him with such rights. Too power-hungry and uncontrollable.
    It is also extremely optional and deceitful.

    This is the first.
    And the second is that before unification (no matter in which state) a complete analysis and comparison of financial capabilities is required.
    For example, there is a merger of two financial or production structures.
    Attached are two documents - financial audit.
    Based on this, the board of directors is subsequently formed.
    The dominant position is usually taken by a representative of a larger company.
    In rare cases, a third party manager is appointed.
    But a smaller enterprise cannot claim a leadership role.
    In the Board of Directors, seats are also proportionally divided between more and less.
    So.
    Luke insisted only on an equal distribution of seats both in the Union Parliament and in the Union Ministries.
    This could not suit the leadership of the country, which has 14 times the population, hundreds of times more territory.
    And I don't even want to judge the economic potential.

    So the unification of the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation is hampered by the advancement of absolutely idiotic demands, sanctioned personally by Luka.
  10. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 9 August 2020 15: 43
    +5
    Quote: Arzt
    I have many friends and relatives in Belarus, and so - the people "for" the friendship of peoples - and Lukashenka before this "friendship of peoples" - "pee on it from a high bell tower" ... belay

    He is for friendship. He just asks himself the question, what's next?
    What will happen to MAZ, Belaz, Minsk Tractor, Rogachev Dairy?
    And who will develop and enlarge it - Vekselberg, Kerimov, God Nisanov or Chubais right away.
    It seems to me that he has a headache about this.

    What's next?... recourse It is enough for Russia now to close its borders for goods from Belarus - and that's it, kirdyk ... It's good if Lukashenka has time to escape from his country - his own "will be lifted up" ... repeat Belarus exists only and exclusively because the Russian markets are open for Belarusian goods, and we supply cheap oil there ... this is the "secret of an economic miracle" ... you just have to admit that it exists and will unite, understanding which country is what it means !!! good drinks
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 9 August 2020 16: 54
      +3
      Here it is interesting, the Federal Republic of Germany wants to receive cheap gas from Russia, and not expensive gas from the United States, so that its economy does not come to a kirdyk, because its expensive goods will not be bought in Russia, in particular ... cars, equipment, etc. d ... And so Russia and the FRG would not need fick, if all these goods were produced at home and, moreover, better than German ones ...
  11. Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 9 August 2020 15: 57
    +5
    In my (possibly erroneous) opinion, Belarus has long been drifting to the West with the knowledge and encouragement of the cunning Lukashenka. And all this talk about multi-vector, its own special path, brotherhood with the Russians, hugs, concordant head shakes, vague discussions about possible unification pursue the sole purpose of extorting resources from the Russian authorities at low prices and at the expense of Russia and Russians "enter" Europe. " independent "state (the example of the Baltic States, Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine does not teach ANYTHING). And what about Rygorych himself? A clearly visible intention: to stretch YOUR tenure as president as long as possible and try to transfer the chair to your son! That in ANY way will not work when uniting with Russia!
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 9 August 2020 16: 58
      +2
      Name at least one former republic that, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, began to drift towards Russia ... Each began to drift in any other direction, just not towards Russia, some faster, others slower ... Even the CIS did not hold back anything. ..
  12. UserGun
    UserGun 9 August 2020 15: 58
    -7
    Quote: Corona without virus
    It is enough now for Russia to close its borders for goods from Belarus - and that's it, kirdyk ..


    Well, let's close. What will you replace the goods with which Belarus traded ?! Do not replace it at once, and long-term too. The result is an even greater impoverishment of an already impoverished population... Do you want that?! Let's rely on the narrow-eyed again? So they just need it! Let's open a market with pagan Gay Europeans ?! Then why was it closed ?! Do you at least think once more before, as always, swinging your checkers and threatening with a dry fist.
    1. Gost2012
      Gost2012 9 August 2020 16: 08
      +4
      Quote: UserGun
      Quote: Corona without virus
      It is enough now for Russia to close its borders for goods from Belarus - and that's it, kirdyk ..


      Well, let's close. What will you replace the goods with which Belarus traded ?! Do not replace it at once, and long-term too. The result is an even greater impoverishment of an already impoverished population... Do you want that?! Let's rely on the narrow-eyed again? So they just need it! Let's open a market with pagan Gay Europeans ?! Then why was it closed ?! Do you at least think once more before, as always, swinging your checkers and threatening with a dry fist.

      So your farmers VVP will start champagne in the tap if it closes goods from the Republic of Belarus laughing
      They have been begging him for years. You are a tovaristch, you are writing some kind of nonsense that does not correspond to reality.
      1. UserGun
        UserGun 9 August 2020 16: 27
        -1
        Quote: Gost2012
        So your farmers VVP will start champagne in the tap if it closes goods from the Republic of Belarus
        They have been begging him for years. You are a tovaristch, you are writing some kind of nonsense that does not correspond to reality.


        Yes, yes, yes))) Only these farmers will immediately push the price bar as high as possible. Why not move that ?! Competitors, albeit bros, were removed zhe))) Therefore

        Quote: UserGun
        The result is an even greater impoverishment of an already impoverished population


        I am already silent about other products. For example, outside the Moscow Ring Road, Belarusian footwear, knitwear and other haberdashery are highly respected for their cheapness.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 9 August 2020 17: 04
          +1
          For example, outside the Moscow Ring Road, Belarusian footwear, knitwear and other haberdashery are highly respected for their cheapness.
          ... So cheap, at the expense of Russian energy resources ... A vicious circle ... Selling the above without discounts, the cheapness will cover ... and at a loss ... Right there, everyone wants to snatch profit for themselves ... Hence the trade wars. ...
          1. UserGun
            UserGun 10 August 2020 00: 03
            0
            And what prevents Russian producers with even lower energy prices, as we are assured, to produce the same thing, but at lower prices, having the same margin ?! ))) Is it just another conspiracy ?! )))
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 11 August 2020 10: 43
          0
          Quote: UserGun
          I am already silent about other products. For example, outside the Moscow Ring Road, Belarusian footwear, knitwear and other haberdashery are highly respected for their cheapness.

          Respected. So far, only one name "Belarusian goods" has remained of all this, and the cheapness and quality have disappeared somewhere.
    2. Campanella
      Campanella 9 August 2020 16: 24
      +2
      For Russia, it will only be a blessing if the Russian government does not blunt, but gives people the opportunity to work.
      1. UserGun
        UserGun 9 August 2020 16: 30
        -1
        Do you even believe yourself? I repeat myself, but you cannot EVERYTHING do at home. It is impossible to embrace the immensity (c) Kozma Prutkov.
        1. Campanella
          Campanella 9 August 2020 16: 35
          0
          I do not believe? I also believe and know.
          Russia has all the resources for independent swimming, but you friends will blow bubbles and ask us to work!
          1. UserGun
            UserGun 9 August 2020 16: 42
            0
            Tyuyuyu ... I live a little further than the Moscow Ring Road, yes))) And I’ve never been Belarusian, not even by my last name))) But I wonder how literally in a month the brothers suddenly became goats, for those present here on the couch))) And you want so that after such instant perturbations you are respected and at least listened to ?! Oh well...)))
            1. Campanella
              Campanella 9 August 2020 17: 08
              +1
              Well, let's start with the fact that you call them goats! And it seems that you, too, are not broadcasting from the fields.
              And I don't need your personal respect, you work in Russia and enjoy life. What do you bale then?
              1. UserGun
                UserGun 9 August 2020 17: 48
                -1
                Quote: Campanella
                What do you bale then?


                You see, I would not say so if I did not work with them. In particular, on the notorious "import substitution"))) On which they then proudly hung the nameplate "Made in Russia" and no less proudly tryndel on the site "Made by us" It's funny, right ?!

                And this ... goats, unlike the local close contingent, I never called them.
                1. Campanella
                  Campanella 9 August 2020 21: 59
                  0
                  Did I call them goats?
                  Well, the fact that ours, to report to the supreme nameplate, mold is not news.
                  I'm talking about a normal approach, although we don't have the conditions for such work yet, but if a roast rooster bites, then nothing is impossible.
                  1. UserGun
                    UserGun 9 August 2020 23: 56
                    0
                    Quote: Campanella
                    Did I call them goats?


                    Not. What am I? Have you personally accused you? Of course not! ))) You can reread all my comments.

                    Quote: Campanella
                    I'm talking about a normal approach, although we don't have the conditions for such work yet, but if a roast rooster bites, then nothing is impossible.


                    You see, I repeat (which already?) I repeat, you cannot do EVERYTHING. For various reasons. Much more convenient, more profitable (substitute yours). to invent, do and sell what others do not know how))) Have you caught the difference? The sworn "enemies" of local uryakalok are engaged in this, and at the same time they do not forget to learn from others)))) Nothing is impossible, of course, the only question is at what cost it gets, because it is often really easier and even better to buy than to collective farm, once again reinventing the bicycle only with triangular wheels, well, or with square ones, posing as your invention, and besides, it is more expensive than a competitor))) That is why countries trade among themselves, trying to lower costs and at the same time increase the welfare of citizens, keeping their economy in good shape (if it certainly works). Honestly, I don't understand what's wrong with that. As well as indiscriminate criticism of the same Belarus. I worked with colleagues from Belarus, wonderful specialists from whom you just have to study, study and study again, and you urge to stupidly chop off everything and engage in fiddling in the sandbox with ghostly chances "" it will not work ". Well, let's not learn by cutting off By the way, the same Belarus shows us that the game with zeroing and extending its rule with the simultaneous squeezing of all opponents leads far from the right place and is fraught (who would doubt) sooner or later deep upheavals. once learned from someone else's example)))
          2. Kronos
            Kronos 9 August 2020 17: 00
            +1
            There may be resources, but the production of almost everything depends on Western components.
            1. Campanella
              Campanella 9 August 2020 17: 10
              0
              Moreover, there will be enough work for everyone, first on imported technologies, and then we will launch our own, not all at once.
              1. UserGun
                UserGun 9 August 2020 20: 11
                0
                It can be seen as 30 years old! Karl, as you start everything))) No, I do not argue, for you and another 30 years of "launch" is quite normal. Just do not think that everyone is sitting on the priest exactly, then you will still, according to the same cycle

                Quote: Campanella
                first on imported technologies, and then we will launch our own


                Well done !!!
            2. Campanella
              Campanella 10 August 2020 09: 39
              0
              This is true, but this does not mean that if we have a desire, we cannot.
              I already wrote that Putin and Medvedev tried to integrate into the global economy ...
              The main thing is to remove "effective" managers from management.
          3. parusnik
            parusnik 9 August 2020 17: 07
            +4
            Russia has all the resources for independent sailing
            ... And why aren't we sailing ... for 30 years now, without foreign investors, how?
            1. Campanella
              Campanella 9 August 2020 17: 19
              0
              Do you know the answer? Medvedev, when he was president, closed up, if ours, do not know how to do something well, then we will buy it in the west! And what do you want from such leaders? Now the west has pressed them a little and now they began to try to build something ...
              1. parusnik
                parusnik 9 August 2020 17: 32
                +3
                I know the answer: there will be enough work for everyone, first on imported technologies, and then we will launch our own, not all at once. laughing 30 years have passed ... while we are mastering the imported ones, and then we will launch our own ... laughing
                1. Campanella
                  Campanella 9 August 2020 21: 38
                  0
                  Yes, we do not master anything.
                  China is our everything! Science in the pen ....
    3. Olezhek
      9 August 2020 19: 24
      0
      Well, let's close. What will you replace the goods with which Belarus traded ?! Do not replace it at once, and long-term too.


      lehko ... here the Ukrainians also scared it - but they had something serious ...
      and then - got along.

      The result is even greater impoverishment of an already impoverished population.


      Do your social propaganda on the streets of Minsk
      There you will be appreciated
  13. parusnik
    parusnik 9 August 2020 16: 00
    +6
    These very "economic" arguments, they say, where is Belarus without the Russian market, are frankly annoying. And this, frankly, is scary.
    .... And the truth is where Belarus is without the Russian market? ... In Europe, there is no queue for its products, both for industrial and foodstuffs .. Yes, and it is a little expensive .... There is another moment, national egoism. It arose in all the republics that were part of the USSR, all became one: small and proud, others medium or large, but proud, carefully obliterating the Soviet past from their history ... And anti-Sovietism and Russophobia are twins, like other phobias. On this, there will be no mutual understanding either in the economic or in the political sense. After the collapse of the Union, all economic ties and cooperation were destroyed and no one wanted to restore them intellectually. It came down to a primitive, conditionally: we make cars and supply them to you, but we have no tires. And we will supply you with tires. We agreed. Guys, you have expensive tires, but there are no others ... Oh, that's how ... then we will buy tires from the Chinese, but buy them .. Guys, your cars are expensive, so the tires are Chinese .. Oh so, then we won't buy cars .. And in politics it's even worse .. the reason indicated above, mutual anti-Sovietism .. hatred of the Soviet past .. Here is such music, such, damn it, eternal youth ...
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 9 August 2020 17: 25
      +2
      And how can Belarus integrate into Europe, to the west? There is an example of non-Balts. In the USSR, their milk, knitwear, folk art --- ceramics, tapestries, and other things were respected. Now nobody wants it from them in Europe. The same goes for Belarusian. There is nothing to offer, but the EU still pays grants to non-Balts, like its own. Maybe that's the point? I doubt it. By the farm laborers of the Polish lords?
      Quote: parusnik
      ......... And the truth is where Belarus is without the Russian market? ...
      ... And anti-Sovietism and Russophobia are twins, like other phobias. On this, there will be no mutual understanding either in the economic or in the political sense. After the collapse of the Union, all economic ties and cooperation were destroyed and no one wanted to restore them intellectually. It boiled down to primitiveness ........ And in politics it is even worse ... the reason was indicated above, mutual anti-Sovietism ... hatred of the Soviet past ... Here is such music, such, damn it, eternal youth ...
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 9 August 2020 17: 35
        +2
        Dmitry, relations between Russia and Belarus are built on mutual non-love .. Here is a paradox laughing
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 9 August 2020 17: 38
          +2
          Quote: parusnik
          Dmitry, relations between Russia and Belarus are built on mutual non-love .. Here is a paradox laughing

          What to say? Our people, in my opinion, are not trying to demonize Belarus, all the same, brotherly people, but Lukashenka ...
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 9 August 2020 17: 44
            +4
            Yes, leave him alone ... Lukashenko is not defending his personal interests ... of various economic and political groups ... By the way, like yours ... laughing
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 9 August 2020 17: 52
              +1
              laughing
              Quote: parusnik
              Leave it ... By the way, like yours ... laughing
              our, our lol hi
              1. parusnik
                parusnik 9 August 2020 18: 08
                +1
                which do not demonize Belarus ... smile
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 9 August 2020 18: 28
                  0
                  Quote: parusnik
                  which do not demonize Belarus ... smile

                  What was, probably will no longer be. Such a Union as the USSR. It's a pity
  14. vavilon
    vavilon 9 August 2020 16: 19
    -4
    The problem is that our Russian oligarchs want to take over all the strategic enterprises of Belarus and "dad" resists this, that's the whole problem
    1. Olezhek
      9 August 2020 19: 20
      +1
      The problem is that our Russian oligarchs want to take over all the strategic enterprises of Belarus and "dad" resists this, that's the whole problem


      1 Write on behalf of your country (stop disgracing yourself)
      2 For Russians, he is not a dad
      3 There are practically no strategic enterprises (profitable on the world market) in Belarus.
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 9 August 2020 21: 53
        -1
        I am not a robot and I do not work off fees like some and I always write from myself
        Well, at the expense of enterprises, you are wrong, there are even very tasty ones, and the geographical location of Belarus is very successful, one can say the silk road for Russia
  15. Campanella
    Campanella 9 August 2020 16: 20
    +4
    That's right, first ideology and politics, and then launching economic projects.
    And here it is obvious that Lukashenka's policies will ultimately lead to the Ukrainian option.
    Alas and ah. The Belarusian society is already accustomed to Nezalezhnosti and it will be harder and harder to convince it of a close alliance with Russia, if only the need does not press them
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 9 August 2020 17: 13
      +2
      That's right, ideology first
      ... And what is the ideology in Belarus? What is in Russia? .. What is in Russia, according to the GDP, is patriotism, according to the AHL they have the same ideology of patriotism and ... they have patriotism, we have patriotism, all are patriots .., and tobacco apart .. laughing
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 9 August 2020 17: 15
        +3
        The fact of the matter is that neither Russia nor Belarus has an ideology.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 9 August 2020 17: 26
          +1
          If there is no common foundation - ideology, you cannot build a major house ... So, a summer cottage ... which, in principle, we are now observing and all the problems associated with it ...
          1. Olezhek
            9 August 2020 19: 19
            -1
            If not general the foundation is ideology, you can't build a major house ..

            Namely - the Belarusians are close to European values ​​... request
  16. cniza
    cniza 9 August 2020 16: 24
    +1
    The funny thing is that in the minds of Belarusians there are “a million unresolved issues” in relations with Moscow, it is clear that “economic”. Obsessive ideas that simply keep them awake late at night. I give a tip: the main reason for their unsolvability is the unresolved political issues.


    Everything is correct, until the rules are fixed, it is not possible to solve economic problems, and Lukashenka does not want to lose his power, so they have been kneading water in a mortar for more than a dozen years ...
  17. Lysik001
    Lysik001 9 August 2020 16: 36
    +1
    Putin is completely satisfied with Lukashenko. And if it were otherwise, then Mr. Lukashenko would have long been out of work. Therefore, all this moaning is absolutely useless. As long as Putin is in power, Lukashenka will continue acting like a fool. And we will discuss all this endlessly.
    1. Olezhek
      9 August 2020 19: 17
      +1
      Putin is completely satisfied with Lukashenko.


      Far from a fact

      And if it were otherwise, then Mr. Lukashenko would have long been out of work


      On the issue of "color revolutions" - this is the State Department.
  18. zenion
    zenion 9 August 2020 17: 45
    +2
    Economics is the biggest politics. Why the USSR was bitten to pieces - because of the economic advantage over capitalism. The main thing is that the Vlasovs were found, not by a miracle, but grab everything - to hell, much more than Hitler sent to the USSR. If everything was folk, then it means nobody! As the labeled one said, that the director of the plant does not care, and if there is a plant owner, then everything will be fine. Nesuns will not be and will be many. There are no Nesuns, there is nothing to carry because there are no factories either.
  19. iouris
    iouris 9 August 2020 19: 50
    +2
    The negotiations between the sovereign Minsk and Washington will be completed in about five minutes.
  20. borys
    borys 9 August 2020 20: 11
    +1
    Another treatise from Mr. Yegorov on the same topic.
    As in one old film, such dislike (towards Belarus)
    feels that he can’t eat (and drink and sleep). Very
    he does not like the fact that Belarusians are looking at the West. But after all
    the Kremlin's are looking there. This mister Egorov is not
    annoying? One more question. For some reason, mutual settlements between
    RF and RB are denominated in dollars. Which, by the way,
    are not the national currency either in the Russian Federation or in the Republic of Belarus. what
    concerns integration. Oligarchic capitalism of the Russian
    the bottling is clearly not pleasant to Belarusians. Most likely he and
    most Russians don't like it. In general, something like
    treatises from Mr. Yegorov only introduce a split between
    two branches of one people and only to the detriment. therefore
    tired of worse bitter radish. It would be better designated
    the gentleman switched to something more useful.
    1. iouris
      iouris 9 August 2020 21: 49
      +1
      Quote: borys
      He really doesn't like the fact that Belarusians are looking at the West.

      Is that all? How did you calculate?
      Quote: borys
      For some reason, settlements between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus are nominated in dollars.

      Because the RF and RB do not have "national" emission centers.
      Quote: borys
      The oligarchic capitalism of Russian bottling clearly does not like the Belarusians.

      There is no Russian capitalism. Capitalism is a world system. We have no other capitalism for you and will not have it.
      Quote: borys
      treatises from Mr. Yegorov only introduce a split between the two branches of the same people

      Egorov is incapable of creating a split. And Lukashenka's entourage can. And it comes to this. Regrettably to say it, the Ukrainization of Belarus is practically inevitable: this is not the choice of the Belarusian "branch" of the Russian people, but the Belarusian branch of the world capital.
  21. Alexga
    Alexga 9 August 2020 20: 36
    0
    RIA published the data of the escort polls: Lukashenko is almost 80 percent, Tikhanovskaya is almost 7. As they say - Thank you all, everyone is free.
    1. iouris
      iouris 9 August 2020 23: 56
      0
      Right now. Riots begin. How Tikhanovskaya will be washed from blood?
      1. Olezhek
        10 August 2020 08: 21
        +2
        How Tikhanovskaya will be washed from blood?


        Was it she who gave the order to shoot?
    2. Olezhek
      10 August 2020 08: 22
      +2
      RIA published the data of the escort polls: Lukashenko is almost 80 percent, Tikhanovskaya is almost 7. As they say - Thank you all, everyone is free.


      Independent exit polls data: Tikhanovskaya - 72,1%, Lukashenko - 13,7%. 85 people were interviewed

      Free at all ...
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  23. evgen1221
    evgen1221 9 August 2020 22: 28
    0
    The elites of Belarus look steadfastly at Europe, and at the same time beat out preferences from us under the idea of ​​a fix about unification and other things that caress the ear of the imperial in our country (which is also a fix idea).
  24. Radikal
    Radikal 9 August 2020 22: 54
    0
    That is, the very "dead end" that arose in the relationship should have arisen much earlier. Much. While the question of money was on, there was some kind of "movement", as soon as the question reached big politics, the negotiations got stuck. And, as a matter of fact, the Belarusian side demonstratively refused them (we do not trade in sovereignty!). And what, excuse me, do you trade then? And with whom, if not a secret?

    The classics of Marxism-Leninism taught that economics is the basis, and politics is
    superstructure. By the way, no one has yet refuted this formula. Does the author know this? Or the damned USE? lol wassat tongue
  25. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 9 August 2020 23: 22
    0
    How much can you suck on it. Every 2nd day according to the article.

    Everything is clear anyway. There is no oligarchic power of the association. Everyone wants to be a king in their district.
    Everything is like Vysotsky.
  26. Valery Potapov
    Valery Potapov 10 August 2020 08: 26
    +1
    Nothing to talk about with this freak. It is necessary to create a new form of relationship with the enemy striving to steal money ... For love bl.
  27. Roman123567
    Roman123567 10 August 2020 11: 02
    -2
    So, for Belarus (as Belarusians themselves like to say), politics is not so important, the economy is important. Well, the flag is in their hands! Political issues are more important for Mr Putin, and this seems to be a reason for dialogue.


    That's bad ..
  28. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 10 August 2020 13: 09
    +1
    Belarus is becoming an increasingly unreliable ally for the Russian Federation in all matters, except for its strategic position. Every year Lukasz plays more and more "shock therapy", which has a very bad effect on the image of "the last and most faithful ally" and especially this utopian concept called "union state". BLR needs Russian money, market and resources - and the ability to cut good money on transit, bypassing sanctions, and some preferential terms for lending. We spoiled the elites of this state by solving their problems and questions, in general, we followed approximately the same path as with Ukraine (which led to the fall of Yanuca), providing excessive freedom of action without a rigid binding of preferences and loyalty and a tough political mechanism of the whip in appendage to the gingerbread.
    No matter how all these stories with 33 PMCs and the "Russian Maidan trace" end up, we need to take a completely different position in relation to Belarus and prepare the withdrawal of all critical facilities from its territory, import substitution of its key products for the defense industry of our country, etc.

    An alternative to this would be to organize a change of power there - which is absolutely unrealistic, both for political and tactical possibilities / considerations. We, like our Ukrainian policy, put all our eggs in one basket for a very long time - and as a result, the most "pro-Russian" candidate is Lukashenko himself, and at the same time he does not suit us anymore - and the others saw us in his grave at all. That is, Lukash will not leave - everything will be as it is now, but it will get worse (and it will probably end with Lukash or with force majeure), or Lukash will be replaced by someone else - it will hardly be a successor, but a democratically popular figure there will definitely be a nationalist). After Lukash, the question of establishing ties with Europe will arise, and there they will point to our bases and facilities and hint in an opaque way. And everything will be like in Ukraine.

    At the moment we have missed their elite and control over their polit. process - this cannot be solved quickly (thanks to years of propaganda), and probably not even solved at all - will require an array of resources, which objectively this whole union is not worth at the current stage of our own economy and state. Not a horse feed. So the ideal option would be to gradually prepare for the elimination of critical for us dependencies on the Blr, followed by a transition to a somewhat expanded market relations with a rigid linkage between economic and political. questions with these preferences.
    Otherwise, another mental and technological shock awaits us, akin to 2014.
    1. bulava
      bulava 10 August 2020 14: 34
      -1
      What you suggest is more like a retreat. And why is the Ukrainian scenario necessary? The Kazakh scenario is also quite possible. Now Belarus is de facto a part of the Russian Federation. We have a common missile defense system, very deep ties at the level of special services and the Ministry of Defense, not to mention simple "people's" ties. There is no way to destroy this system. Are we investing in Belarus? Well, this is how we get real products from the republic, not light heavyweight wrestlers.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 10 August 2020 15: 03
        +2
        What deep connections we have through the special services, I was convinced during this situation with 33 dudes from PMCs. Only the bottom is deeper, in my opinion)
        You proceed from the fact that this system cannot be destroyed in any way - so we traditionally proceed from this "cooperation". And Belarusians understand this, and therefore their tactics traditionally go not along the path of expanding integration, but along the path of increasing the price and involving our funds in solving their problems.

        As for more like a retreat, that's right. We are stuck, we have become an element of political games in a significant part of the former CIS - at the same time, although we are a part of these games and a party involved, we either do not benefit from this, or we are completely used as a bogey, playing some kind of murky nationalist cards and pro-western parties. All this is the result of our vague policy in the style of "leaving" after the USSR - we kind of allowed sovereignty and all these games on "independence day", chewed all these nationalist movements - and at the same time fed them from our hands, allowed us to develop them business interests - all this with very modest demand from our side.
        And as a result, such a policy has grown not positively perceiving and friendly states, but a flock of junkies who are hooked on our bonuses and various scandalous extortion tactics that get them.

        Could we have imagined that in 2014 there will be such a break with Ukraine? Could you imagine that Georgia will explode in 2008, contrary to the scenario? But all this is a consequence of our policy - we overestimated the benefits received from these countries, they underestimated the benefits that we give. When in different parts of the former USSR all sorts of Pashinyans appear, raised in the field of grain years, when our market and politicians solved their problems so easily, and asked so little, that over time it began to seem self-evident things, and we wanted more. What is available without control and rigid framework ceases to be an element of bargaining, and becomes an element of blackmail.

        I am not claiming that the Maidan scenario will happen there - but I point out that politically the Blr has already become very distant from us, and now the figure of the AHL is being used to pump out preferences that will allow us to say "adieh!" at our expense, just as it happened in Ukraine.
      2. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 10 August 2020 15: 15
        +2
        Understand my point — I’m not at all for breaking these ties. I am in favor of separating this hellish tangle of objective and subjective, mixed political, military and economic, where boots and eggs are in one basket, and Belarusian cheese is in the same hangar with the radar.
        We need to methodically weed out and diversify the potential leverage of our "partners" on us, so that they cannot use this as political trump cards in their muddy internal political struggle. We must painfully beat them in the little hands for the market, which we do not like. And do it so that they know that what is said today will arrive tomorrow and the day after tomorrow.
        Accordingly, we must separate the economy, politics and military agreements - these should be ABSOLUTELY different things. Tied up like with like. The Belarusian politicians should see from the documents that preferences are not the result of any "hidden benefits" but the result of our good will or desire to deepen cooperation. And if they are not satisfied with part of the agreements, we must also have clear and understandable parameters for reducing the degree of this cooperation - without breaking all ties, as happened with Ukraine, where the ball of boots and eggs was so great that they threw everything out.
        And finally, we should not rely on any politicians, either in Belarus or outside of it. We must work with the elites through trade. We missed the moment of direct control of the union republics - the control that we have now only eats our resources, these are ineffective and weak schemes that are not able to push through our key decisions at the right time. It is worth recognizing this and abandoning the illusion of vassalage - and moving on to a scheme of creeping economic subordination, as the EU or the USA do.
        1. Olezhek
          10 August 2020 19: 57
          -1
          I am in favor of separating this hellish tangle of objective and subjective, mixed political, military and economic, where boots and eggs are in one basket, and Belarusian cheese is in the same hangar with the radar.
          We need to methodically weed out and diversify the potential leverage of our "partners" on us so that they cannot use this as political trump cards in their murky internal political struggle.


          Something like that

          Accordingly, we must separate the economy, politics and military agreements - these must be ABSOLUTELY different things. Tied up like with like


          Well, yes, the transition to normal interstate relations
  29. bulava
    bulava 11 August 2020 09: 25
    -1
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    Understand my point — I’m not at all for breaking these ties. I am in favor of separating this hellish tangle of objective and subjective, mixed political, military and economic, where boots and eggs are in one basket, and Belarusian cheese is in the same hangar with the radar.
    We need to methodically weed out and diversify the potential leverage of our "partners" on us, so that they cannot use this as political trump cards in their muddy internal political struggle. We must painfully beat them in the little hands for the market, which we do not like. And do it so that they know that what is said today will arrive tomorrow and the day after tomorrow.


    This is theory. But in practice it doesn't work that way. It is one thing when it comes to the United States, which is setting up its base, throwing handouts to the leadership of the state, pulling out what they need. And they absolutely do not give a damn about the people of the country where they have settled, they do not consider the country as a partner - for them it is just a springboard and a source of some income (well, or at least, so as not to leave much in the red by keeping their contingent there). And they do not care where - even in Iraq, even in Panama.
    Historically, we have a completely different situation. These are not just our neighbors - these are territories that have left OUR state for free swimming because of the largest geopolitical tragedy of the 20th century. These are territories where every inch of the earth is stained with the blood of Russian soldiers, where Russian people live, where people still live who received a lot from the USSR and they remember it. We cannot behave with them like the United States or the European Union. Therefore, yes, we will help Belarus with loans, oil, preferences. We will reassure their leaders and work with their elites. Because we are not just a Great Power with a lot of money, but because otherwise what happened in Ukraine, what happened to Georgia will happen ...
    Breaking does not build.