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US companies tasked to develop an aircraft-based hypersonic missile and electronics for it

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US companies tasked to develop an aircraft-based hypersonic missile and electronics for it

The US Air Force is offering the three largest American military-industrial complex companies (Lockheed Martin, Boeing and Raytheon) to develop an air-launched hypersonic cruise missile and reliable electronics for it.


In the US press, with reference to the military command, they report that preliminary developments in hypersonic arms will be requested from these companies by the end of autumn 2020. At the same time, the corresponding contracts will be concluded if all the parameters of the missiles presented by that time will satisfy the requests of the air force command.

It is noted that the US Air Force intends to obtain a hypersonic missile, which could be used as the main weapon of both fighters and bombers.

The new program is called Future Hypersonics.

The hypersonic missile, which is to be created under this program, will (according to the plans of the Air Force command) develop speeds up to Mach 10 (speeds of sound).

From the report:

Any attempts to protect the target from such a missile will not be able to bring a positive result at the moment. A missile capable of hitting targets at a distance of a hundred miles in a few tens of seconds leaves critically little time for anti-missile measures.



With this statement, the American military command actually confirms an important fact: the missile defense systems being built by the United States today are powerless against modern hypersonic weapons. And such weapons are in service with only one army in the world - the Russian one.

The above companies will solve such technological problems as the stability of the electronics of a hypersonic rocket to vibrations, a significant increase in temperatures, and to the effects of aggressive media.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 7 August 2020 18: 20 New
    -10
    The above companies will solve such technological problems as the stability of the electronics of a hypersonic rocket to vibrations, a significant increase in temperatures, and to the effects of aggressive media.
    and this is good news, because the dangerous factors are completely different.fool fool
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  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 7 August 2020 18: 20 New
    +2
    But not even a hundred years have passed since the hour when we overcame 1mah. And now they put 10 in the tasks.
    1. orionvitt
      orionvitt 7 August 2020 20: 35 New
      0
      What a hundred years. In 1947. Chuck Yeager, on the X-1 experimental rocket plane. And then not for long.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 7 August 2020 21: 25 New
        +2
        No, well, just for the sake of principle - what is my post wrong?
        What years have passed? Or 73 is not close to a century?
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 8 August 2020 15: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Or 73 is not close to a century?

          Just for the sake of principle. If you already round off according to the rules of mathematics, then 73 years, closer to half a century. winked
  3. Poetry
    Poetry 7 August 2020 18: 23 New
    +2
    Trump will say later: a super-super-mega-extrakapetsky rocket has been created that flies at almost the speed of light.
  4. zchjk
    zchjk 7 August 2020 18: 32 New
    -1
    The chicken bites and bites by the grain.
  5. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 7 August 2020 18: 32 New
    0
    Oh, it burst through! Once upon a time, they worked not shaky-not roll over something there "hypersonic", five-year plans, without much "delight" (result) ... But now ...! "Have we chased our urban"? request
  6. Mouse
    Mouse 7 August 2020 18: 34 New
    +4
    US Air Force said it is necessary! Three companies answered yes! Just sponsor more dough ... and then the trend is not far off ...
    1. Narcologist
      Narcologist 7 August 2020 18: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Mouse
      US Air Force said it is necessary! Three companies answered yes! Just sponsor more dough ... and then the trend is not far off ...

      At this rate, the US military budget will already reach two trillion pieces of paper.
      1. Mouse
        Mouse 7 August 2020 18: 47 New
        +4
        And what to them ... the wheels of the machine have not yet worn out ........
        1. Narcologist
          Narcologist 7 August 2020 18: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: Mouse
          And what to them ... the wheels of the machine have not yet worn out ........

          But already heated ... wink And the same development they have Ends their hegemony.
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 7 August 2020 22: 19 New
            -1
            Quote: Mouse
            And what to them ... the wheels of the machine have not yet worn out ........

            Why should they be erased? Money is the same commodity as timber, coal, fertilizers. The question is that if you show Putin's ruble on Tuamotu Island, at best they will simply eat you, and at worst they will create a dried sculpture of you and walk to the villages, __ ) + ... this guy offered us a ruble for a glass of cold mango!
            It will be so. Do you know why? There is confidence in the dollar. Throughout its difficult history, it has not been devalued immediately. A universal reliable tool, a deep mistake to think that dollars may run out. Those who rejoice in the American debt are fools, they do not know that the quotes of stock exchanges and corporations are in $. P, no matter what, do the experiment, try to sell something, no matter what, at least 1 kg of raisins. You set your price, and it will be focused with $. And all the cakes will be produced with an eye on the American currency rate.
            1. Alber alber
              Alber alber 8 August 2020 01: 02 New
              0
              What can be bought now for a dollar from basic products, and what could be bought from settlers somewhere in the 17th century, that's the devaluation
              1. Senka naughty
                Senka naughty 8 August 2020 04: 55 New
                -1
                Ivan Ivanov and in the 17th century bought what the master said, do not flatter yourself.
                1. Alber alber
                  Alber alber 8 August 2020 20: 38 New
                  0
                  What did you want to say and how does this relate to the question to which I answered?
    2. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 7 August 2020 21: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Mouse
      Only sponsor more dough ...

      R&D is funded. It later....
  7. Campanella
    Campanella 7 August 2020 18: 41 New
    0
    And what do they already have state capitalism?
  8. Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 7 August 2020 19: 04 New
    +1
    These, and so with the help of green candy wrappers, keep half the world in chaos.
  9. Operator
    Operator 7 August 2020 19: 14 New
    -2
    A hypersonic missile with a range of 100 miles - is it overwhelming? laughing
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 7 August 2020 20: 22 New
      -4
      100 miles, if we are talking about nautical miles, is 180 km with a hook. Normal distance for a missile carried by an aircraft.
      ..
      Do not confuse soft with warm.
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt 7 August 2020 20: 40 New
        -1
        Quote: Svetlana
        this is 180 km with a hook. Normal distance for a missile carried by an aircraft.

        This was true in the 50s. Now, the carrier plane will be shot down 400 kilometers.
      2. Operator
        Operator 7 August 2020 20: 56 New
        -2
        Examine the materiel - the range of the airborne hypersonic "Dagger" and "Zircon".
  10. Shilka
    Shilka 7 August 2020 19: 19 New
    -1
    The United States lagged behind us very much .. Everyone hoped for their AUGs and we will buy everything and everyone
    Something doesn’t buy and no one raises their hands up, even small countries ..
    PS Well, except for Ukraine ..
  11. KCA
    KCA 7 August 2020 19: 22 New
    +1
    And where are the US hypersonic missiles that are 17 times faster? It is not known what, really
  12. Serpet
    Serpet 7 August 2020 19: 29 New
    10
    Well, of course, you need to be in trend.
    1. orionvitt
      orionvitt 7 August 2020 20: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: Serpet
      Well, of course, you need to be in trend.

      No, it will be so. Blessed are the believers.
      But seriously, maybe they could have done it, but "blessed" America is not up to it now. The potential is lost. Some blacks on everyone's lips and homosexuals. Not to missiles.
  13. Kerensky
    Kerensky 7 August 2020 19: 36 New
    0
    10 Machs 100 miles ... Why does she need electronics?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 7 August 2020 22: 44 New
      +3
      To hit the target.
      Americans are trying to create a CR flying horizontally
      using a ramjet engine in dense layers of the atmosphere.
      (Not to be confused with a glider sliding down from space).
      The rocket flies in a plasma cloud. She has no warhead. Therefore, you need to hit exactly
      to the target.
      1. Kerensky
        Kerensky 8 August 2020 09: 13 New
        0
        Americans are trying to create a CR flying horizontally
        using a ramjet engine in dense layers of the atmosphere.

        If this is an anti-ship missile, then the task is reduced to a torpedo triangle. Considering the size and momentum of the target. If the rocket, of course, flies straight, and the elements of the target's movement are known ...
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 8 August 2020 11: 26 New
          +2
          The Americans have made it easy for themselves. Just hit exactly the motionless
          targets with a hypersonic cruise missile flying horizontally in the atmosphere.
          But this task, because of the plasma that does not transmit radio signals, is very nontrivial.
          1. Kerensky
            Kerensky 8 August 2020 15: 04 New
            -1
            Just hit exactly the motionless
            targets with a hypersonic cruise missile flying horizontally in the atmosphere.

            Then they need to repeat the geometry ... The shortest distance between points is a straight line. Moreover, the target is on the surface, and the launcher is at a height (airborne). That is, an aircraft can aim with its "body" (all equipment on board). No warhead, speed Mach 10, distance 100 miles - don't give a damn about plasma.
            The task becomes trivial. We only do not know the launch height (which can be easily estimated), otherwise, in general, you can give it to schoolchildren .... Although ... I'll try to start with my kinderyats, and then you can throw it to the cadets.
            PS Well, let it be in your opinion - the rudders "flutter", creating "error pants" within the target projection.
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 8 August 2020 16: 57 New
              -1
              There is a problem: it is impossible to fly a rocket at hypersonic speed at low altitude. Therefore, it overcomes most of the way at an altitude of 40 + km, and then dives, reducing the speed to supersonic (braking against the atmosphere), which allows you to accurately visit the terminal section.
              1. Kerensky
                Kerensky 8 August 2020 17: 05 New
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                Therefore, it overcomes most of the way at an altitude of 40 + km, and then dives, reducing the speed to supersonic (braking against the atmosphere), which allows you to accurately visit the terminal section.

                Hmm! 100 miles away? Or 100 miles of rocket track? Are we exactly discussing the same thing?
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 9 August 2020 04: 12 New
                  -1
                  What definitely cannot be ignored is the heating from flight in dense layers of the atmosphere. The rocket's aerodynamics are worse than that of the ICBM warhead (it has a hypersonic speed at the entrance to the rarefied atmosphere), and its strength is much less.
                  So the "simplifications" you proposed are superficial.
          2. Andrey.AN
            Andrey.AN 8 August 2020 16: 13 New
            +1
            Plasma passes radio signals, the question is how dense this plasma is, of course, but in any case, the plasma itself is not an obstacle to the radio signal, the lenses generated in the plasma interfere with the refractions, the air boils, they carry the signal, such as surround you with lenses and your reflection will decrease by an order of magnitude, but will not disappear. In this case, long waves solve the problem.
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 8 August 2020 16: 58 New
              -1
              They solve, and create a new problem: how to cram a long-wave antenna into a sufficiently compact rocket ??
              1. Andrey.AN
                Andrey.AN 8 August 2020 17: 05 New
                +1
                Short-wave interferometers are crammed in, the signals of these interferometers are modulated, then detected, and diagrams are obtained from three planes, a comparative amplitude analysis of peaks gives bearings, the equalizer sorts by length. The whole picture is formed on the monitor, in short, these are radio imagers, such as radio telescopes, only with a modern computer.
                1. Kerensky
                  Kerensky 8 August 2020 19: 28 New
                  0
                  Short-wave interferometers are crammed, the signals of these interferometers are modulated, then detected, and diagrams are obtained from three planes, a comparative amplitude analysis of peaks gives bearings, the equalizer sorts by length. The whole picture is formed on the monitor,

                  AND?!! I am ashamed to ask - you are not in our Academy of VKS them. Are you studying Zhukov?
              2. Andrey.AN
                Andrey.AN 8 August 2020 18: 29 New
                0
                The point is that you owe what I shouldn't. I'll explain, here we have like everything is fair. To blame someone else is blasphemy.
              3. Andrey.AN
                Andrey.AN 8 August 2020 21: 25 New
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                This is done by shortwave interferometers, the shortwave pulsar of the antenna receives ambient radiation by interference of pulses, it receives both short and long waves, like the carrier frequency of a radio receiver, the entire spectrum of acoustic waves, any sucker knows all this physics with our concerns, if there is no confidence in the competent, then let it be better for everyone than just enemies.
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 9 August 2020 04: 16 New
                  -1
                  And again short waves. That do not pass through the plasma.
                  Do you understand?
                  1. Andrey.AN
                    Andrey.AN 11 August 2020 16: 21 New
                    0
                    They don't even need to go anywhere, they don't even work in waves, this is the frequency of the electromagnetic oscillation of the interferometer.
                    1. 3danimal
                      3danimal 11 August 2020 20: 40 New
                      -1
                      Explain: do you have a GOS or radio command control?
                      1. Andrey.AN
                        Andrey.AN 11 August 2020 22: 32 New
                        0
                        I have only guesses, if a rocket is on hypersound, it's not mine, on hypersonic anyway, through long waves. Air boils, in this boiling lenses are formed, they scatter short waves. You see, nitrogen is ionized, then oxygen, carbon dioxide, one on the frontal surface, and after a couple of centimeters of the lens.
                      2. 3danimal
                        3danimal 11 August 2020 22: 41 New
                        -1
                        IMHO, the best option is this: the rocket flies on hypersound at an altitude of 40+ km approximately to the target area (using an inertial guidance system), then it decreases, dropping the speed to at least 2,5-3M (where the plasma cloud no longer interferes). And guided by GPS and / or GOS.
                        In any case, at 5+ M it will not be able to fly at low altitude - it will collapse from overheating.
                      3. Andrey.AN
                        Andrey.AN 11 August 2020 22: 47 New
                        0
                        You are reading my thoughts, I propose such an ATGM, let it go until it captures the coordinates of the target, and then, according to an inertial scheme, steers from any side to give a shit about any opposition. Desantura, the very thing.
                      4. Andrey.AN
                        Andrey.AN 12 August 2020 01: 58 New
                        0
                        It is not at all necessary, it may not collapse, but continue to pursue the goal. Heating is of course terrible, but firstly, the heat capacity can allow a given working period of heating, and secondly, the same hypersonic missiles from the S-400 (2100 m / s, 5+ M) do not linger at low altitude, they cross this dense layer only for blow. And besides, no one canceled compensation, the missiles have nose rudders, gas generators, they can cool while they rule. In general, the main problem of hypersonic missiles, this is probably the engine, the fact is that without detonation there will be no hypersonic exhaust, and with it you need a very durable generator and nozzle, also with a controlled thrust vector.
                      5. 3danimal
                        3danimal 12 August 2020 03: 22 New
                        -1
                        secondly, the same hypersonic missiles from the S-400 (2100 m / s, 5+ M)

                        You forget about the design and layout of these missiles. It is dense, there are no air intakes (and you have) - how will the engine continue to work with an avalanche-like seal and will it not fall off?
                        In addition: the mentioned rocket has a solid propellant, at maximum speed it flies only at high altitude and for a short time. Goes down to the goal already at supersonic. Hypersound on solid propellants and liquid-propellant rockets has long been learned to achieve.
                    2. Andrey.AN
                      Andrey.AN 12 August 2020 02: 30 New
                      0
                      I certainly don’t think the Americans are idiots, but so far they are backward in these matters. If you think about it, then for a long time, because they will not copy like the Chinese, they want their school in order to be able to get ahead, and for this they need to get a leading sensei from somewhere in the Russian Federation, I hope it will not work.
                    3. 3danimal
                      3danimal 12 August 2020 03: 28 New
                      -1
                      and for this they need to get a leading sensei from somewhere in the Russian Federation

                      It turns out, all the same "", since they will not cope without the stolen Russian. And how did they get so many Nobel Prizes in physics? request
                      Seriously: above in one of the posts, a person mentioned more than 5 programs for researching hypersonic flight and creating a scramjet engine (which is NOT on S-400 missiles). Most are successful, with good results. (Apparently, the Russians were found somewhere smile ) Where have we had similar programs over the past 20 years?
                      It turns out that they just have decent achievements.
                      P.S. Getting involved in the arms race will not end well. The experience has already happened before ..
    2. Kerensky
      Kerensky 8 August 2020 17: 09 New
      0
      In this case, long waves solve the problem.

      Andrei! What waves ?! What the article says: Mach 10, distance 100 miles, launcher on the plane. Are you seriously going to control the flight through the plasma?
      the air is boiling

      And what about the partial pressure of air vapor? Poor Raoul! ...
      1. Andrey.AN
        Andrey.AN 8 August 2020 17: 41 New
        0
        And what has the partial pressure to do with radio communications, which side?
        1. Kerensky
          Kerensky 8 August 2020 17: 48 New
          0
          Andrei! Why radio communication through plasma, when the time to defeat is 54 seconds? What is there to knit?
          1. Andrey.AN
            Andrey.AN 8 August 2020 17: 51 New
            +1
            Radio communication via plasma is needed in order to aim the projectile.
            1. Kerensky
              Kerensky 8 August 2020 18: 09 New
              0
              Radio communication via plasma is needed in order to aim the projectile.

              Andrei! A projectile (rocket) flies for a maximum range of 54 seconds. Where to direct (correct) it? On a fixed target? Aircraft carrier? They won't get off anywhere in such a flying time. And the missile defense will not have time to beep, if this rocket is also "dangling in the tube."
              1. Andrey.AN
                Andrey.AN 8 August 2020 18: 19 New
                0
                I agree, on the one hand it is, but on the other hand, the missile can also have homing. Yes, of course, at the final stage, the projectile does not wiggle its tail, but this makes it easier to intercept, anyway, if ours do, it chooses the target until the last moment.
              2. Kerensky
                Kerensky 8 August 2020 19: 17 New
                0
                on the other hand, the rocket can also have homing

                Andrei! Well, why should a plasma seeker be used for a blank whose lifetime is less than a minute? This is a bunch of problems indicated at the beginning of the article: Temperatures, vibration, overloads, plasma ...
                From my instruction: "Aim at the tank of an aircraft carrier at the maximum distance - it will not go anywhere" ... :)
              3. Andrey.AN
                Andrey.AN 8 August 2020 21: 37 New
                0
                Modern electronics do a lot in a minute.
              4. Andrey.AN
                Andrey.AN 8 August 2020 21: 46 New
                0
                Look, according to your principle, you can launch a rocket into the tank, which in the final section will go on inertial guidance, yes, cool, no protection will slow it down, but the tank can drive off half a meter. Cool ammunition though.
              5. Andrey.AN
                Andrey.AN 8 August 2020 21: 59 New
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                Let's try to explain my idea of ​​a hypersonic strike. The rocket on hypersound will taxi from an unknown side to the target, bending the loop before hitting, the defense will not have time to react.
              6. Kerensky
                Kerensky 8 August 2020 22: 44 New
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                I will try to explain my idea of ​​a hypersonic strike. A hypersonic rocket will steer from an unknown side to the target, bending the loop before hitting[b] [/ b], the defense will not have time to react.

                Warrior to help you! Specifically he explained that there can be no loops on the hypersound before the impact.
                This will result in full ....... at Mach 10.
                The maximum that is possible is to turn around a little in some "tunnel" puffing on the rudders ...
                Once again, 54 seconds per 100 miles ...
              7. Andrey.AN
                Andrey.AN 8 August 2020 23: 05 New
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                You do not underestimate such missiles, in fact they differ little from the S-400 ammunition, they maneuver well.
              8. Kerensky
                Kerensky 8 August 2020 23: 17 New
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                in fact, they differ little from the S-400 ammunition, they maneuver well.

                Clear. It’s a sinful thing that I didn’t figure it out right away ...
                I confuse the CD, with the anti-ship missile, and even with the anti-aircraft missile, Hypersonic you say? And downright spire in a cloud of plasma?
                Live and learn!
              9. Andrey.AN
                Andrey.AN 8 August 2020 23: 25 New
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                Three of the six S-400 missiles are hypersonic.
              10. 3danimal
                3danimal 9 August 2020 04: 24 New
                -1
                The trick here is that only the main part of the path flies on hypersound. It is guided, just - at supersonic.
            2. Andrey.AN
              Andrey.AN 8 August 2020 23: 35 New
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              You see, what is the matter, the Brownian motion of molecules in a gas is limited by the speed of sound, above this speed the streamlining disappears, the molecules do not have time to twist into rollers along the streamlined surface, but on hypersound they are generally ionized into plasma, the S-400 rockets are quilted on hypersound.
  14. 3danimal
    3danimal 9 August 2020 04: 20 New
    -1
    It is not necessary to aim (and the fact is that the atmosphere is not uniform, the flight is NOT ballistic) if you are going to use a nuclear warhead. With conventional - you will be surprised, the aircraft carrier at max speed goes at 15,2 m / s. It will move a kilometer from your aiming point. So even special warheads will have to be used not weak.
  15. Andrey.AN
    Andrey.AN 11 August 2020 23: 18 New
    0
    Sorry, but an aircraft carrier is like a Christmas tree in any, even a disabled radio visor. Excuse me to clarify about the radio visualizer, there is such crap - they are detected in the interference diagrams from different interferometers, different angles of incidence of the wave on the interferometers, at different angles - different amplitudes, it processes the comparison of computer diagrams, and this computer does not give a shit about any web, she sees where this web is from what, etc. Sorry, you can't put on a radio camera. The only thing that can be stunned, but the radio imager cranks on a bunch of spectra, you can't cover everything.
  16. 3danimal
    3danimal 12 August 2020 03: 16 New
    -1
    They can get knocked down when it starts to decline. It won't be able to make sharp maneuvers at such speeds - it will collapse. And in general, the high-altitude goal is the very thing for AEGIS.
    About passive guidance: if everything is so rosy - why not use it?
  • Andrey.AN
    Andrey.AN 8 August 2020 16: 36 New
    +1
    There, in itself, physical management from scratch, but the main problem they will face is convincing investors with the right contractors, they do not have the right ones there, as well as the correct scientific justification with American printed science, they will not do something anyway, of course, if we have done it, experimentally they will only double-check who is a sucker and who is not a sucker, they probably will not stand still here.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 7 August 2020 20: 36 New
    -1
    If you reread the information because of the puddles, they will have everything hyper duper. I do not believe. There are no cartoons from Hollywood. That they did not even find money for cartoons. And the hyper duper is somewhat more expensive.
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 9 August 2020 04: 23 New
      -1
      But we had a lot of cartoons. Breakthrough stories and ... where are the test programs? Like the same X-47, which is always shown to us (sometimes even under the wing of a B-52 - too lazy to rub the entire plane fool ) when it comes to the Zircon rocket?
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 7 August 2020 20: 46 New
    +1
    The Americans are in a hurry. They are in a hurry and nervous.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 7 August 2020 20: 47 New
    +2
    I still do not understand what wonderful rocket Trump was talking about then? It seems they have everything and then again they want to design something
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 7 August 2020 21: 15 New
      +5
      I think he himself did not understand what he was talking about. Perhaps some of these:

      1. Cruise missile X-51. May 1, 2013 reached a speed of 5,1M
      2. Cruise missile X-43A. November 16, 2004 reached a speed of 9,6M
      3. Planning warhead AHW. November 2014 reached a speed of 8M
      4. Planning HTV combat unit. 22.04.2010/20/XNUMX reached a speed of the order of XNUMXM
      5. LRHW with C-HGB warhead. 30.08.2017 reached a speed of more than 5M
      6. Aeroballistic missile AGM-183A ARRW with hypersonic TBG unit. 2019 reached a speed of about 20M
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 7 August 2020 21: 41 New
        +2
        Actual programs.
      2. stalki
        stalki 7 August 2020 22: 04 New
        -2
        AGM-183A ARRW - so far only a mock-up for testing and 20m has only been announced, in fact nothing.

        LRHW with a C-HGB warhead - the first test flight was planned for only 21g. So also only in the future tense. There is no information on the fact.

        Planning warhead HTV. - 2 launches in total, but according to the developers it reached 20m, the last one collapsed in 26 minutes.

        Well, the rest, honestly, is not interesting to consider
      3. 3danimal
        3danimal 8 August 2020 17: 01 New
        -1
        There are a lot of projects, research, on the way to a weapon model. And the question arises: where are the Russian similar programs that made it possible to create the Zircon Über-rocket with (as they say) a scramjet engine?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 8 August 2020 17: 30 New
          +2
          As soon as the first photo of Zircon appears, even the worst one,
          it will become clear whether it has a ramjet engine or not.
          By the presence of an air intake or its absence.
    2. Shilka
      Shilka 7 August 2020 21: 42 New
      -6
      Quote: APASUS
      I still do not understand what wonderful rocket Trump was talking about then? It seems they have everything and then again they want to design something

      They have nothing that can be opposed to the Russian military-industrial complex! So they are trying to arrange Maidans on our borders ..
      It will take a long time to catch up, even if the traitors hand over something ..
      \ China has been leaked a little hehe Won is already testing "aircraft carrier killer .." missiles ..
      Next Hezbollah .. wassat wink (joke)))
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal 8 August 2020 17: 03 New
        0
        Do you want to say that they are inferior in comparison with the Russians, unable to create anything, having a 10+ times larger research budget, better organization and logistics of research, fewer delays due to "secrets"?
  • flicker
    flicker 7 August 2020 20: 56 New
    -1
    US companies tasked to develop an aircraft-based hypersonic missile and electronics for it
    Companies seem to be making estimates now laughing
  • Andobor
    Andobor 7 August 2020 20: 59 New
    -1
    Yes, the Americans are hopelessly behind in this area, they will be able to catch up with Russia, if only Russia will stand still.
    1. c2020
      c2020 8 August 2020 00: 53 New
      +1
      US companies tasked to develop an aircraft-based hypersonic missile and electronics for it


      I am translating from American into Russian. And who said that the United States does not have an airborne hypersonic missile and electronics for it? Watch YouTube. There are enough old videos with American scramjet tests. Surely by 2020 they already have a concrete result. They, unlike some, do not throw words to the wind. And the fifth-generation fighters F-35 have already passed well over five hundred, and the X-37B mini-shuttle has been successfully operating for a long time, and the Dragon Mask flew to the ISS, etc. Who will believe that they do not have an airborne hypersonic missile? They work for fools.
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 8 August 2020 01: 06 New
        +1
        A bit wrong. They have a clear division between research programs and programs for the creation of serial weapons. Conditionally, research is being carried out whether it is possible to create this technique, what features it has, whether it is suitable for the armed forces. After the research and testing of products has been completed, the Pentagon analyzes them and creates technical specifications for serial products. A competition is announced for this TK, which is given to 3-4 companies. Contracts are concluded for preliminary design, project, prototype. At the end there are two left and one of them wins.
        It looks like they completed research projects, began to create serial products. The list of current research projects I wrote above, it seems that 1 project in life has begun to pretend.
        1. onstar9
          onstar9 8 August 2020 04: 25 New
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          Well, so it is necessary to "hit" at them, while they do not have such missiles ... Why delay?
      2. vVvAD
        vVvAD 8 August 2020 10: 35 New
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        Quote: c2020

        Watch YouTube. There are enough old videos with American scramjet tests.

        That is so, but not at all.
        Testing is not a finished serial product. And it is possible to reach 20M, only sense, if, for example, for a short time or it is an uncontrollable blank.
        Quote: c2020

        They, unlike some, do not throw words to the wind.

        Well, take their word for it - do not respect yourself.
        They are people of their word, yes: they gave it themselves, took it themselves, and lied with three boxes and a small cart.
        Quote: c2020

        And the fifth-generation fighters F-35 have already passed well over five hundred, and the mini-shuttle X-37B has been successfully operating for a long time, and the Dragon Mask flew to the ISS, etc.

        Firstly, if there were, then, firstly, they would have already advertised it among the satellites (they know how to count money very well), and secondly, they would have already taken full advantage of the advantages it gives, and would be promoting themselves on this, and The rocket would be promoted: so that the satellites would buy, and the enemies would be afraid and accept their demands even with a half hint. Third, it would be produced in the thousands due to the arms lobby.
        And the F-35 fighters ... Well, yes, the great wunderwaffle - money mastered, well mastered, a lot of money. Recovering themselves, modify and extend the service life of the F-15 and F-18.
        The X-37B rocket plane, yes ... It's a useful thing, of course, but the launch is expensive. Very. Even for the Americans, because there are only 2. And it is unlikely that there will ever be more than 3-5. Simply because it is problematic to use it as a weapon, because:
        1.He is, of course, maneuverable, but hardly enough to dodge anti-satellite weapons. 2.Yes, it can unload undeclared payload into orbit and load / steal small satellites. But 1e can also be made by cheaper survey satellites. The Americans are also developing this direction. In the 2nd case, see item 1. Moreover, space can be influenced by non-kinetic means. In any case, it will lose in terms of power to ground-based REP.
        3.What are we left with: intelligence and communications, conducting experiments in orbit? 1st is cheaper to perform with specialized satellites. 2nd is possible on the ISS. Something is cheaper than on the ISS, but something cannot be done on it in principle. Flexibility, technology development - yes. Well, so that it was.
        The bottom line: there are simply no tasks for our analogue.
        Dragon Mask - yes. I take over the commercial launch industry from us. It is unpleasant - now we are catching up - the consequence of resting on laurels in the editorial office of effective managers, and of short-sighted state policy - space cannot be without funding. The same Musk enjoys huge support from NASA and other government agencies, so SpaceX cannot be called a completely private initiative, like Boeing. Locheed Martin, Rayteon and other giants of their military-industrial complex. Simply, seeing that NASA was not doing well, they decided to reform it according to the successful (in their conditions and with known shortcomings) model of the military-industrial complex - and SpaceX, Blue Origin, etc. appeared. The step is logical and natural. But, as in the case of the military-industrial complex, it runs into the ceiling of fundamental research, which is too expensive for even such giants to carry out. Therefore, the Pentagon silt in this case - NASA allocates grants for competitions for the creation of technology demonstrators by several contractors with certain requirements - this is how it works for them.
        However, here they overtook us. Apparently, our "effective" ones do not want to work without a strong pendel. Hopefully, this failure will begin to lead to an awareness of the fallacy of the current paradigm, where "effective" internationalists without a homeland who do not know their industry are at the helm.
        Quote: zchjk

        The chicken bites and bites by the grain.

        Yes, the question is, to what and when. But it is worth keeping track of their progress closely. And draw conclusions.
        And to catch up where they lagged behind, but not necessarily symmetrically: one goal can be achieved by different ways and technologies. Especially considering the importance of geography for a vertical start.
    2. Andrey.AN
      Andrey.AN 9 August 2020 00: 01 New
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      You shouldn't think so. All thoughts that come to us have come to them, a kind of synchronization works. There are already other motives, it is not the library that moves, it moves the goals. Although watching our progress, they will have to postpone their goals. In general, the impression is that they want a left-wing special forces, infantry that is many times superior to ours in efficiency due to small arms, they are working very intensively on this.
    3. 3danimal
      3danimal 9 August 2020 04: 27 New
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      We don't even need money, supernation fellow Brain drain, lousy organization of research, delays in waiting for signatures of "security officers" (no, they also need to eat) - nothing at all good
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 8 August 2020 08: 04 New
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    And one more subtlety in the light of recent events in the states, this pepelats should be developed only by blacks, whites, and not allowed to enter a cannon shot. negative
  • 1536
    1536 8 August 2020 08: 09 New
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    How, didn't they have such a rocket? It would be just right to place an order for the production of an "iron man" suit, and then some kind of rocket. Better yet, order the production of glasses with green lenses, prohibit people from taking them off, and declare the United States an "Emerald City".
    1. c2020
      c2020 8 August 2020 18: 53 New
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      That is so, but not at all.

      You have written so much to justify the stupidity of Americans that you will have to write a lot too.

      And you can reach 20M

      20M - not near the ground, but at a high altitude. Whom do you scare at high altitude with such speed? Nobody.

      Well, take their word for it - do not respect yourself.

      The fact of the matter is that they have not words, but concrete deeds, concrete results. And this is visible to the whole world.

      if there was

      And you need to be able to read American press reports between the lines. The volume of some physical experiments there exceeded thousands. And these experiments are connected precisely with hypersonic speeds. And between the lines it is easy to read what information they hide at the same time.

      And the F-35 fighters ...

      And for the F-35 fighters, a new variable-cycle engine (AETD program) is almost ready. It is made exactly to the dimensions of the F-135. With more than 500 F-35 fighters quickly replacing engines, the United States will have a host of high-speed stealth delivery vehicles capable of covertly carrying nuclear weapons. Someone naively doubts that they will be able to quickly manufacture and replace engines?

      Rocket plane X-37B, yes

      "Yes" without any "buts". "Yes" definitely.

      Dragon Mask - yes.

      "Yes" without any "well".

      then they overtook us

      And where did you not overtake?

      it's worth keeping track of their progress

      Worth it. But for this you need to have a rich, developed science and Soviet education. Have you seen rich scientists or teachers in Russia for a long time? The Papuans are not competitors for the United States. This is the truth of life and it also needs to be monitored.
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 8 August 2020 19: 41 New
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        Quote: c2020
        Someone naively doubts that they will be able to quickly manufacture and replace engines?

        There is no doubt that they will be able to, what they will hardly change. It makes no sense, and so the aircraft is superior to all others in service. When ordering new ones, upgrading to extreme versions and developing a resource, F135 can be supplied with a new engine.
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