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Rogozin announced the order to develop an analogue of the Soviet "Buran"

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Rogozin announced the order to develop an analogue of the Soviet "Buran"

It became known about the order given by the head of "Roscosmos" related to the creation of a new spacecraft.


In the message RIA News it says that Dmitry Rogozin instructed to start developing options for a manned "shuttle" for space flights. It is noted that we are talking about an analogue of the Soviet ship "Buran". According to Rogozin, such ships could come to replace the Soyuz MS.

The head of Roskosmos said that to service orbital stations, the operation of the Orel (formerly Federation) spacecraft "will be expensive", so Russia needs a reusable spacecraft. It should be added here that the "Eagle" has not yet been commissioned.

Rogozin said that he set a task for the engineers, who now have to present a project of an analogue of "Buran" with the possibility of landing at the airfield.

According to Dmitry Rogozin, specialists from the Energia Rocket and Space Corporation and “other teams” will propose options for the reusable spacecraft. Which ones, Rogozin did not specify.

At the same time, the head of Roskosmos noted that the creation of the space shuttle will take a lot of time, and therefore "the MS Union will still serve."

For reference: the manufacturer of the "Buran" ship was the Tushinsky Machine-Building Plant. The spacecraft was designed for a crew of up to 10 cosmonauts. The Buran was launched from the Baikonur cosmodrome on November 15, 1988. As it turned out later, that unmanned and fully automated flight was not only the first, but also the only one for the Soviet "shuttle". The flight lasted more than 3 hours, during which the "Buran" made two orbits around the Earth.

Video clip with flight tests of "Buran":

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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 August 2020 06: 07
    35
    It was a grandiose project, "Buran" ... So many enterprises participated, how many technologies were developed ... Another victim of the Gorbachev region ... It will not work to repeat it. However, to develop a new one, easier, it is not clear who can be trusted. The old developments have been lost, for the prescription, and the new ones?
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 7 August 2020 06: 13
      50
      Shock the imagination with loud statements - this is quite in the style of Rogozin.
      But will or will they not make such a system?
      Will the ataman give money for this?
      Most likely they will try to create something like "Spiral".
      1. Far B
        Far B 7 August 2020 06: 18
        29
        And Rogozmos just said that he would teach Russian spacecraft to land on asteroids by 2030. Tryndet in Rogozmos is a great master. Delov just can't be seen. Well, there is someone to take an example from: if the topmost chose such a tactic, then why should the bottom not follow the Great Rowing in galleys?
        PS And what happened to the citizens who, foaming at their mouths, shouted: "Cho you pounced on Rogozin, he still drives Rogozmos too little to show him something"?
        1. Evil543
          Evil543 7 August 2020 07: 09
          +5
          Oh, this storyteller
          1. umah
            umah 7 August 2020 08: 09
            +5
            Rogozin announced the order to develop an analogue of the Soviet "Buran"

            Apparently, someone whispered in his ear. Pancake! Indeed, by the example of Buran, one can already calculate the economic inefficiency in comparison with disposable ships. Then they did it because "you need it like the Americans do." The Shuttle program was expensive even for the Americans, but they had no other ships. Why should we sculpt the same monster now ?!
            1. SOVIET UNION 2
              SOVIET UNION 2 7 August 2020 08: 24
              +1
              Indeed, by the example of Buran, one can already calculate the economic inefficiency in comparison with disposable ships. Then they did it because "you need it like the Americans do." The Shuttle program was expensive even for the Americans, but they had no other ships. And why should we sculpt the same monster now ?!
              I suspect this is our answer to Musk! Instead of being the smoker of trends, there is a dull imitation. Another question, how will they solve the issue of domestic parts? How about domestic electronics?
          2. Civil
            Civil 7 August 2020 08: 30
            18
            1. Most of the technology is lost.
            2. Most of the subcontractors have been liquidated.
            3. The developers are dead. As well as skilled engineers with workers.
            4. There is no money for such a large-scale project and will not be soon.
            5. Rogozin will show the fraudster Musk, give him a light.
            6. NASA shoots everything in Hollywood.
            7. The earth is flat.
            8. "_____________" hereinafter is any propaganda option.
            1. Pereira
              Pereira 7 August 2020 09: 36
              +7
              8. Space is useless and unprofitable. Interplanetary flights - budget cut. It would be better if this money was given to blacks.
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 7 August 2020 15: 05
                +3
                Quote: Pereira
                8. Space is useless and unprofitable. Interplanetary flights - budget cut. It would be better if this money was given to blacks.

                And where will the diamond million go in the event of a nuclear war ??? wassat Right!! Musk will send them to Mars !!!! laughingso he will always have money. For the rest, I agree - space is useless and unprofitable.
                1. vVvAD
                  vVvAD 8 August 2020 16: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: aybolyt678

                  Right!! Musk will send them to Mars !!!! laughing

                  Yeah - one way laughing, he himself mentioned it in the context of the Martian base.
                  And finally, peace will come in a world that is no longer our multi-line post-nuclear world fellow
            2. snucerist
              snucerist 7 August 2020 09: 57
              +6
              It's just that Ostap suffered again.
              Here is itching to a person ...
              What does Rogozin mean? Make an analogue of Buran? So you need a carrier for it. We need a bundle of the Soviet type Energia-Buran. Meanwhile, today it is clear even to a child that such a Soviet concept was absurd and failed. Besides being super expensive.
              When copying the Space Shuttle program, Soviet designers made critical, fatal mistakes that ruined the Energia-Buran project in the bud (the engineers were not to blame for this, by the way, they used the technical and technological level that was available to them in the USSR) ...
              Mr. Rogozin, you must understand, means a reusable QC? But what does Buran have to do with it, as the basis for a new project? Buran is far from an American truly reusable shuttle.
              Let's remember the history. When copying, they immediately ran into TTU (conditionally reusable) - they simply did not exist. Okay, they put disposable liquid RD-170 on the carrier.
              But on the very copy of the shuttle, it was also planned to put 3 hydrogen engines similar to the American SSME RS-25. But, alas, the RD-0120 made in KBKhA turned out to be larger than the American counterpart in weight and size, but with less thrust. 3 RD-0120 for OK-120 was not enough. We must put 4. And where? There is no place in Buran.
              We found a way out - remove the engines from the shuttle, attach them to the external fuel tank. Rename OK-120 to OS-92.
              But what is the bottom line?
              The output was a disposable carrier and a reusable shuttle without main engines, i.e. with very limited functionality. With each launch, the Energia carrier itself and all its 8 expensive engines - 4 kerosene RD-170 and hydrogen RD-0120 - burned to ashes. The Americans lost only the external tank.
              And THIS wants to revive Rogozin? Is THIS a role model? Is this to take as a basis? What for?
              Will the eagle be expensive to operate? And what will the Buran analog cost?
              If Rogozin is really concerned about a new idea, then he should turn to Musk for help. He will show how to make a propulsive landing of the carrier stages and how to build modern, comfortable, reusable spacecraft. 
              1. 5-9
                5-9 7 August 2020 10: 50
                +1
                Well, the concept of healthy engines eating volume and mass in a shuttle is also so-so. As well as the type of reusable (but in fact not) boosters. In those years, the shuttle engines after each flight were also not a good idea.
                I do not agree that Buran is worse in concept ...
                1. snucerist
                  snucerist 7 August 2020 12: 46
                  +1
                  Anyone is entitled to their opinion.
                  I would gladly join yours if Buran flew at least twice, thereby confirming the concept of its reusability. But this did not happen (for many reasons). Unlike shuttles, which made 135 flights.
                  Further. Can't you really see what is the difference between the concepts? Um ...
                  Okay, let's leave aside the reusability (in many cases conditional) of the carrier units and try to compare the functionality of the shuttles themselves.
                  To make it easier, try comparing an airplane and a glider. This simplified comparison will help you get the gist.
                  The Americans applied an original idea - to use the shuttle's engines in acceleration (in addition to TTU) and flight. After all, there are sustainer engines on the spacecraft itself - why not use them? And supply fuel to them from an external tank, which is then discarded? Simple, economical, brilliant. The result is a full-fledged reusable spacecraft with sustainer engines. A kind of space plane.
                  Now Buran. I repeat, due to the fact that the RD-0120 hydrogen engines turned out to be too heavy, large and with low thrust, it was not possible to shove 4 pieces into the shuttle, they were transferred to an external tank, where they burned safely along with all other units. The shuttle itself was equipped with two low-power engines and a bunch of gas-dynamic control engines. All this "power" was intended only for putting the shuttle into orbit, limited maneuvering and some course correction during landing in case of yaw.
                  What can be compared here?
                  1. 5-9
                    5-9 7 August 2020 14: 26
                    +5
                    Why is the Shuttle a space plane ... if its tank is dropped? The same glider with a burden in the form of engines without fuel ...
                    Well, to press on the only flight of Buran and use it as an argument for a bad concept is generally not fair ... and as if Buran had no advantages in comparison with ...
                    1. snucerist
                      snucerist 7 August 2020 14: 40
                      -5
                      1. Try to understand the difference between the one-off RD-0120 + low-power Buran engines with reduced functionality, which burned out after the launch, with the powerful reusable shuttle engines RS-25. And at the same time - why Buran did not fly a second time.
                      2. I will gladly take into account at least one plus that you will find in Buran (namely Buran, since we are talking about him), in comparison with the shuttle. The argument for automatic landing is not to offer, pliz, the USA successfully tested this technology in aviation back in the 50s of the last century.
                      1. gsev
                        gsev 8 August 2020 10: 21
                        -1
                        Quote: snucerist
                        And at the same time - why Buran did not fly a second time.

                        After Buran's flight, it turned out that about a third of the protective tiles were out of order. To make these tiles for the first Buran, a Belgian machine and a set of abrasive wheels were purchased. When asked to sell abrasive wheels for repairs, the Belgians said they could only sell a set of wheels along with the new machine. The USSR could not organize the production of special abrasives or such machines, and the purchase of tools in Belgium on such conditions made Buran's flights prohibitively expensive. In addition, the quality of the Soviet adhesive for the installation of heat-shielding tiles was worse than in the USA. The American shuttle bogib because of the tiles that came off during acceleration and pierced the acceleration block. On Buran, the likelihood of such a disaster is much higher. Interestingly, from 1993 to about 2005, glue manufacturers were unable to sell their products directly to aircraft repair companies, such as Aeroflot, although they were ready to sell at least a pound of glue a year at the same price to anyone. Before designing Buran, Rogozin needs to find out whether grandmothers who know how to develop glue for tiles have died yet, and is there a designer in Russia who can make a machine and a tool for giving the tiles the desired shape? Or at least there are students in Russia who are willing and able to do similar work in the future for the salary offered by Rogozin and his managers? Recently, a large surplus of effective managers has appeared in the Russian aviation industry, who are excellent at cutting the salary fund and optimizing jobs, that is, firing designers, calculators and repairmen. And every day managers are replacing designers as a species.
                      2. Tatyana Pershina
                        Tatyana Pershina 8 August 2020 15: 17
                        +5
                        I do not know where you found information about the protective tiles of the Buran, but according to the testimony of the General Director of the FSUE VIAM of the State Scientific Center of the Russian Federation, Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences E.N. Kablov, after landing at the Buran, only 10 tiles were lost, and the Americans lost more than 100. And our tiles were made on our equipment. Technology in the 90s was "shared" with the Americans.
                      3. gsev
                        gsev 8 August 2020 17: 45
                        -1
                        Quote: Tatiana Pershina
                        And our tiles were made on our equipment. Technology in the 90s was "shared" with the Americans.

                        After the tiles were joined, they had to be given an aerodynamic shape. Have tiles been polished at your factory? The Americans made their shuttles up to Buran. I will assume that Soviet technologies were of only historical interest to them.
                        Quote: Tatiana Pershina
                        only 10 tiles were lost,

                        However, the lost and damaged tiles created the need for a new tool.
                    2. BastaKarapuzik And
                      BastaKarapuzik And 8 August 2020 20: 30
                      +2
                      Where do you get this information from?
                      Six tiles were lost on the first flight. About a hundred tiles were damaged. In total, up to 38 of them were glued on Buran.
                      How much is it in percentage? A third, as you wrote, is more than 12 pieces.
                      What do we see in reality?
                      http://www.buran.ru/htm/tersaf2.htm
                      Where does this whole story come from, and about the supposedly Belgian machine? And also the details that the Union could not this or that? About the fact that our glue was worse than that of the Americans?
                      How does it seem to you in general? Have you bought a machine and started making tiles? What about the recipe? And the raw materials? For Burana tiles, a deposit of especially pure raw materials was specially found. The whole institute was engaged!
                      https://viam.ru/interview/386
                      And just there they write that the Americans customized their tiles by hand.
                      1 people worked in the Union over Buran. What kind of abrasives the USSR could not produce at that time? Diamonds? Yes, they were produced in an assortment!
                    3. gsev
                      gsev 8 August 2020 21: 40
                      -2
                      Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
                      Where do you get this information from?

                      And what was it about chatting to a poor engineer in a factory dormitory with a random fellow traveler on business trips. You will hear from the interlocutor the phrase "I am from Samara" and his meaningful silence. Immediately you ask the question "why did your enterprise make a medal with the inscription" The government's task will be fulfilled ", but this task really could not be completed and even the medal was being finalized in Khimki. reasons that do not contradict each other There is an opinion that a simple executor does not see the whole picture, but I often observed that the documentation does not reflect the subtleties and key points of technology.
                    4. BastaKarapuzik And
                      BastaKarapuzik And 9 August 2020 10: 09
                      +1
                      Here are the lost tiles up close
                      http://www.buran.ru/htm/terlost.htm
          3. BastaKarapuzik And
            BastaKarapuzik And 8 August 2020 00: 37
            +2
            You are wrong, Buran was not a copy of the Shuttle. This is a completely original SYSTEM, Energiya (a heavy-class launch vehicle) and Buran itself.
            You stress on the cheapness of the Shuttle flights, such as it is cheaper than a disposable carrier.
            But that was not the case at all. The cost of space shuttle launches was higher, which is why disposable launch vehicles won economically. In the calculations, it was convincingly shown that for the payback of the Shuttle, the cargo turnover between the Earth and the orbit that existed at that time was decidedly insufficient. This cargo turnover is still insufficient for such a system. Obviously, the calculation for future flights to the Moon and Mars, the launch of large loads into orbit, and, most importantly, the descent of some of these payloads from orbit.
            And your other argumentation does not stand up to criticism. The Energia launch vehicle was a completely independent development, it was not just a fuel tank with an engine, it had to be used INDEPENDENTLY to launch a very large payload into orbit, that is, either an ISS module or a huge fragment of an interplanetary spacecraft, that is, the possibilities are great. And now let's think, why is there actually Buran itself or Shuttle? Why put this mass into orbit as well? It's just a waste of resources, unless, of course, it is assumed that the useful is removed from orbit. Well, since the bulk of flights is a one-way flight, when a large carrying capacity is not needed, the conclusion suggests itself.
            In itself, this development was simply ahead of its time. Only in recent years, the relevance of flights, somewhere beyond the orbit, has grown sharply. But we run into the absence of heavy carriers. Etc.
            1. gsev
              gsev 8 August 2020 17: 54
              -1
              Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
              This cargo turnover is still insufficient for such a system.

              At that time, it was believed that the shuttle would justify itself compared to a disposable rocket if it could fly about once a week. Scientists of the USSR, unable to convey this to the country's leadership, even to schoolchildren, when they visited MIPT, hammered the results of their calculations, hoping that either through children or through the KGB, information would reach the top. Unlike the United States, the leadership of the USSR did not rely only on shuttles and did not abandon missiles. Therefore, a year ago Rogozin could have fun joking with Musk about trampolines. And only now it was Musk's turn.
      2. VO3A
        VO3A 7 August 2020 13: 09
        -4
        And why are they making the Tu-160, can it be used as a platform for launching something similar to the Kh-37, only ours? Moreover, they say that we had such a development, and it was stolen from us ???
        1. Letun
          Letun 7 August 2020 13: 33
          +1
          Quote: VO3A
          Why do they make Tu-160

          Then, that it is a strategic, supersonic missile carrier.
          Quote: VO3A
          can use it as a launch platform for something similar to the X-37,

          Or maybe grandma can attach a hee and use it as something like grandpa?
          1. VO3A
            VO3A 7 August 2020 13: 58
            -2
            Then, that it is a strategic, supersonic missile carrier.

            This is an outdated costly dinosaur that has no military expediency, but only has political expediency and the factor of presence and demonstration ...
            Or maybe grandma can attach a hee and use it as something like grandpa?

            Buy brains ...
            1. Letun
              Letun 7 August 2020 16: 52
              +1
              Quote: VO3A
              Buy brains ...

              You suggest attaching a saddle to a cow, but do I need to buy brains? Well ok, your posts show that you are, well, a very smart technical specialist laughing and you certainly don't need brains wink
              1. VO3A
                VO3A 7 August 2020 17: 14
                -3
                And how is the dagger fundamentally different in launching? And nothing, MIG-31 starts up like a cow with a saddle? Non-technical specialist ...
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 August 2020 15: 01
          +2
          On the basis of 160 there was a Burlak - Diana air launch project for the launch of military satellites to LEO weighing up to 4 tons.
      3. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 7 August 2020 15: 10
        0
        Quote: snucerist
        He will show you how to do

        I see a competent comment ... I want to ask: - Is it possible to create a manned rocket with a nuclear engine? For I am sure that the Cosmos is behind nuclear engines, everything else is what the biblical character Onan was doing.
    2. Grits
      Grits 7 August 2020 14: 17
      0
      Quote: Civil
      8. "_____________" hereinafter is any propaganda option.

      9. God created a woman from Adam's rib
  2. Vovanya
    Vovanya 8 August 2020 21: 35
    -1
    Do not worry, because it has long been known that if Rogozin announces something, then this "announcement" completely loses its positive dynamics, i.e. it's just blah blah blah and nothing more.
  • Pereira
    Pereira 7 August 2020 08: 07
    +7
    And where did the citizens go

    It is known where - they died of old age.
    1. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 7 August 2020 08: 26
      +3
      It is known where - they died of old age.
      But Chubais's dream came true! Don't worry about them! New ones will be born! Well, where are these newborns ???
  • iConst
    iConst 7 August 2020 08: 39
    +4
    Quote: Dalny V
    And Rogozmos just said that he would teach Russian spacecraft to land on asteroids by 2030.

    Plus, his offshore trampoline factory went bankrupt ... smile
  • slipped
    slipped 7 August 2020 10: 48
    -2
    Quote: Far In
    And Rogozmos just said that by 2030 he will teach Russian spacecraft to land on asteroids.


    By the way, this is not news, such possibilities have already been worked out. Landing on an asteroid is very similar to docking, which we have worked well.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 7 August 2020 12: 33
      -1
      Docking assistance is provided from both sides.
      The docking module is made to fit perfectly with the docking module.
      In asteroids, there is neither one nor the other, and you also need to choose a site. But to do something, why not do it, is no more difficult than landing on the moon.
      1. slipped
        slipped 7 August 2020 12: 43
        +2
        Quote: BlackMokona
        Docking assistance is provided from both sides.


        A bit wrong. The passive docking equipment can be lowered onto the asteroid, with penetrators to shoot it there, while the active part of the docking mechanism will be on the ship.

        Quote: BlackMokona
        The docking module is made to fit perfectly with the docking module.


        So it is - a pin-cone. laughing The cone can be made more - it's hard to miss.

        Quote: BlackMokona
        In asteroids, there is neither one nor the other, and you also need to choose a site. But to do something, why not do it, is no more difficult than landing on the moon.


        Well, I wrote above - lower the docking cone on the landing device, fix the landing supports with penetrators. Next, dock the ship to the asteroid.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 7 August 2020 12: 56
          0
          It remains to dock the docking station to the asteroid without any problems. In your case, for example, it can penetrate too deeply if there is an overestimation of the strength of the asteroid, or the penetrator will fly off if there is an underestimation of the strength. Etc
          1. slipped
            slipped 7 August 2020 13: 06
            +2
            Quote: BlackMokona
            It remains to dock the docking station to the asteroid without any problems.


            Land a lander - approximately the same as that of Luna-25, but with a docking mechanism as the payload. By the way, deliver it to the asteroid in advance by the same ship. laughing

            Quote: BlackMokona
            In your case, for example, it can penetrate too deeply if there is an overestimation of the strength of the asteroid, or the penetrator will fly off if there is an underestimation of the strength. Etc


            Penetrators are located in the chassis. After receiving a command from special sensors reporting that the surface is nearby, they are fired into the ground. Each penetrator has a metal cable, along which the landing module is pulled to the asteroid. Then it is fixed on the ground with special hooks. As soon as a command about a rigid coupling is received, a spacecraft with astronauts approaches the lander for docking.
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 7 August 2020 13: 07
              -1
              1) So if we can land the Moon-25, then we can actually land the ship.
              2) And if there is gas under pressure in the asteroid?
              1. slipped
                slipped 7 August 2020 13: 09
                +2
                Quote: BlackMokona
                1) So if we can land the Moon-25, then we can actually land the ship.


                This is not exactly Luna-25, but the landing gear has been successfully tested on Earth. laughing

                Quote: BlackMokona
                2) And if there is gas under pressure in the asteroid?


                Impact reconnaissance of the landing area will be required first. Based on the results, make a decision on landing.
  • Disant
    Disant 7 August 2020 13: 16
    -7
    Far In (Michael) Today, 06:18 AM NEW
    16
    And Rogozmos just said that he would teach Russian spacecraft to land on asteroids by 2030. Tryndet in Rogozmos is a great master. Delov just can't be seen. Well, there is someone to take an example from: if the topmost chose such a tactic, then why should the bottom not follow the Great Rowing in galleys?
    PS And what happened to the citizens who, foaming at their mouths, shouted: "Cho you pounced on Rogozin, he still drives Rogozmos too little to show him something"?


    Express yourself more clearly, otherwise your snags are incomprehensible - at such a pace you will soon be tapping on the flag of the Russian Federation. I do not understand why you are given a plus.
    About Rogozin - so what is the essence of your accusation-claim? - so far I only see your violent lies
  • dSK
    dSK 7 August 2020 06: 26
    +9
    that the creation of the space shuttle will take a long time
    the main thing is a lot of money, in the face of a budget deficit in 2021 and a reduction in funding in all sectors - for the army, space, education, health care, and even the Duma and the Federation Council.
    The Ministry of Finance of Russia proposed in 2021-2023 to reduce the costs of maintaining the State Duma and the Federation Council by 1,9 billion rubles in total.
    (RIA Novosti03: 27; 05.08.20/XNUMX/XNUMX)
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 7 August 2020 06: 36
      -2
      Quote: dsk
      the main thing is a lot of money, in the face of a budget deficit in 2021 and a reduction in funding in all sectors - for the army, space, education, health care, and even the Duma and the Federation Council.

      Yes, of course everything depends on financing.
      Russia with light brains has not yet depleted
      1. mdsr
        mdsr 7 August 2020 07: 59
        +9
        Quote: Lipchanin

        Yes, of course everything depends on financing.

        It's not so much about financing as about the amount of theft of allocated money. For example, an amount corresponding to the estimate was allocated for the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome. But then it turned out that this amount is extremely insufficient. Additionally, a huge amount was allocated. And what did you get? The head of the investigative committee reported that hundreds of billions of rubles were stolen.
        How many billions of rubles have been cut for the development of the Federation spacecraft, which has long been supposed to plow the near-earth expanses of space? And where is he today?
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 7 August 2020 08: 03
          -8
          Quote: mdsr
          It's not so much about financing as about the amount of theft of allocated money.

          Actually, I also meant that. It is not enough to single out, it is necessary that it also comes without losses in the pockets.
          But still, funding for the industry is extremely small. It is difficult to do something quickly with such funding.
          And if there is enough money that will reach its destination, there will be a result
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 7 August 2020 08: 14
            +9
            There will never be enough money. Too many people are fed from the budget.
            For the prophet of one Nanomer, as they wrote, 1,7 billion were allocated.
            And this is no less than one and a half thousand tons of honey - 25 railway tanks ..
        2. slipped
          slipped 7 August 2020 09: 42
          +1
          Quote: mdsr
          And what did you get?




          Quote: mdsr
          The head of the investigative committee reported that hundreds of billions of rubles were stolen.


          They return it back. The construction companies themselves have been liquidated.

          Quote: mdsr
          How many billions of rubles have been cut for the development of the Federation spacecraft, which has long been supposed to plow the near-earth expanses of space?


          Not at all. Everything is invested in development.

          Quote: mdsr
          And where is he today?


          Created at RSC Energia. Testing of structural elements and instrumentation equipment. Launch in 2023.
      2. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 7 August 2020 08: 34
        21
        Russia is not depleted of brains. The question is different. From life. My granddaughter is studying at the institute and is training in the USA. After studying in the USA, they give her a job and housing! She likes everything in America! How are modern realities? Do you think this student is the only one? Also from life. We need to learn English. What for? Easier to find a job! Do you feel the trends? Russian is not needed, it is not competitive. In Russia, after training, work and housing are not offered. And what shines for Russia with such a trend?
        1. d4rkmesa
          d4rkmesa 7 August 2020 08: 40
          -1
          "give work and housing" is too broad a concept. Our universities also provide housing and work for junior researchers, for example. Maybe there are nuances, but nevertheless.
          1. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 7 August 2020 09: 18
            +4
            The concept of housing and work is certainly a broad concept. You can work as a loader and a dog kennel. But a completely different picture emerged from the conversation!
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 7 August 2020 10: 09
              +2
              And you can clarify what kind of university and what is the specialty of the granddaughter?
              1. SOVIET UNION 2
                SOVIET UNION 2 8 August 2020 11: 23
                -2
                The granddaughter is not mine. It's just that there is more than one such story.
                1. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 11 August 2020 06: 37
                  0
                  Ahem. And who wrote then:
                  My granddaughter is studying at the institute and is training in the USA
                  1. SOVIET UNION 2
                    SOVIET UNION 2 11 August 2020 09: 23
                    0
                    ... From life
                    I mean from the general, not personal life. There is just more than one such story. hi
            2. d4rkmesa
              d4rkmesa 7 August 2020 16: 14
              +1
              I am begging you. Yes, graduate students often live in hostels. I've seen these in the provinces. You can live. But there are also quite decent ones. And there are apartments in new buildings. They were built in Rostov. By the way, in California, typical apartments are not luxury villas. They threw me a photo like that. Not even at all like in TV shows, like "The Big Bang Theory", simpler, worse, just a programmer can afford with a salary of up to 150k per year. In Russia or Ukraine, a person with a "western" salary will be able to rent an apartment much better, this is not such a rarity. In the USA, unfortunately, it is far from smeared with honey.
              1. SOVIET UNION 2
                SOVIET UNION 2 8 August 2020 11: 30
                0
                In the USA, unfortunately, it is far from smeared with honey.
                I agree! While a lot of bloggers make videos about the cool life there, those who show the other side are considered crap-seeking flies. It's a pity no one on VO posted a video about life there.
        2. Svarog
          Svarog 7 August 2020 10: 09
          +3
          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          And what shines for Russia with such a trend?

          To paradise ..
          1. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 8 August 2020 11: 31
            0
            If I'm not mistaken, then in paradise they went naked and barefoot and ate apples! Well, he nafig this paradise!
        3. 5-9
          5-9 7 August 2020 10: 58
          -1
          She's great! So really smart. But this is rather an exception.
          Do you know one of the most important problems in the United States ... the national debt? Corporate debt? Not!
          Student debt (in the sense of education) is the only type of debt that cannot be declared bankrupt. There, the average amount is 200 thousand. But after graduation, tens of thousands of manager-urists and other designers are not needed by the market .. there is no work for them ... and they go with this debt to low-paid, low-skilled work.
          Along with expensive and crappy medicine, one of the most exciting problems for their society.
          1. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 8 August 2020 11: 37
            0
            I agree with you. But supporters of a good life there, minus you. It's a pity that VO does not discuss issues of life there after watching videos about the life of our migrants there. I think this is a completely normal topic for VO. And how is life with our partners and opponents?
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 7 August 2020 06: 49
    +6
    But, I think, the name of the project will be adopted unanimously - "Trampoline"!
  • bayard
    bayard 7 August 2020 06: 51
    +7
    This means that the "Eagle Federation" will not be - the stone flower did not come out. Therefore, the new project is even more fantastic and, in principle, unrealizable by the current Roscosmos.
    "" Unions "are still flying" ... This trolling from Rogozin has already exceeded all censorship norms - this is HUTSPA, which he indulges in with pleasure.
    AND SUCH - TOLERATE.
    Why
    What is it?
    Because the same as the rest - at the helm feeding?
    Nonperforming drank in budgeting?
    .... How disgusting it all is.
    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 7 August 2020 09: 31
      +4
      Duck and the new Buran will not be any ..
      The loot will be allocated .. they will draw something .. After 10 years everything will be forgotten ..
      Since the 2000s, we have been building a fork in Voronezh .. every two years a new project .. because the old one is outdated .. They allocate some million ... they promise to start "in a year" .. Then again problems .. And a new project .. and without end ..
      And the people are already so accustomed that the power of thieves ... that even everyone does not care this arrogance ..
    2. slipped
      slipped 7 August 2020 09: 45
      -4
      Quote: bayard
      This trolling from Rogozin has already exceeded all censorship standards


      Quote: bayard
      .... How disgusting it all is.


      oh how it breaks laughing and you jump, in jumping it comes out easier
      1. bayard
        bayard 7 August 2020 14: 15
        +1
        Quote: slipped
        oh how it tears and you jump

        How wretched these trolls are ... You have already jumped ... already lost ... like a girl Gadya.
        They don't jump in Donetsk.
        We are weaned from this.
        Radically.
        And for the information of the grown amoeba, in my distant young years I participated in ensuring the landing of the first flight of that very "Buran" (which Rogozin wants to repeat), and its radar support.
        This is part of my biography.
        At that time, for 3 years, not a single landing (with rare exceptions) of a spacecraft took place without my participation. And there were about a hundred of them a year.
        1. slipped
          slipped 7 August 2020 14: 29
          -1
          Did the conscientious moderator also give you a warning? laughing Rogozin did not say that he was going to revive Buran. The original said otherwise.
          1. bayard
            bayard 7 August 2020 14: 41
            +1
            It would be better if he was silent.
            And did not disgrace the industry.
            And warnings to me
            Quote: slipped
            conscientious moderator

            could not bear it - apparently out of solidarity.
            Although at other times I had as many as SIX.
            1. slipped
              slipped 7 August 2020 21: 48
              +2
              Quote: bayard
              It would be better if he was silent.


              Seriously? laughing And the industry was engaged in all kinds of things ... as it was before his arrival, right?

              Quote: bayard
              apparently out of solidarity.


              Clearly, mutual responsibility. laughing
              1. bayard
                bayard 8 August 2020 01: 30
                +2
                Quote: slipped
                Seriously? And the industry was engaged in all kinds of ... as it was before his arrival, right?

                Before him, they stole quietly and the people did not make people nervous with their stupidity and fantastic projects.
                They quietly stole and then went to the USA and England with their families in an organized manner.
                Quiet too.
                And this one steals loudly, dashingly, with a spark. It promises either a space elevator, or a base on the Moon, or changes the names of projects ten times ... then Buran swung to build belay fool , then the first stages of future missiles should be planted on an airplane request ... it is even impossible to comment on it ... Then the skyscraper "Rogozin's Faloss" intended to build at public expense ...
                This is a cynical stupid major, a PR man and a big thief ...
                Although, in principle, he is a typical official of our time.
                It looks like you deserve this. hi bully
                1. slipped
                  slipped 8 August 2020 12: 05
                  -1
                  Quote: bayard
                  And this one steals loudly, dashingly, with a spark.


                  Really? lol

                  Next, let's analyze your opus in order:

                  Quote: bayard
                  It promises a space elevator


                  Rogozin spoke about the LPTC - the lunar take-off and landing complex. This is already the high-end journalists have carried about the "space elevator", etc.

                  The LPTC will be created as a means of landing Russian cosmonauts on the moon. Pre-design studies are underway.

                  Quote: bayard
                  then bases on the moon


                  The Lunar Base is currently being considered a joint venture with China.

                  Quote: bayard
                  then the project names are changed ten times


                  The name was changed only one - the ROC "Federation" was changed to "Eagle". All. In principle, the project has also changed a lot in terms of hardware.

                  Quote: bayard
                  ... then "Buran" swung to build belay fool ,


                  No. Read the original interview. A team was given to the designers to look at the variants of the winged reentry vehicle landing like "Buran". That's all.

                  Quote: bayard
                  then the first stages of future missiles should be planted


                  This is the work of the FPI and starting Myasishchev for an ultralight rocket. The work is going on intensively, the flight demonstrator product is in 2023.

                  Quote: bayard
                  ... it is impossible even to comment ...


                  And not worth it. You don’t know.

                  Quote: bayard
                  That skyscraper "Faloss Rogozin" intended to build at public expense ...


                  The NCC is being created with the money of the city of Moscow for the Moscow industrial cluster.

                  Quote: bayard
                  It looks like you deserve this. hi bully


                  Of course - not a single accident has been going on for a year and a half, all launches are successful. You don’t believe the facts either? lol
    3. frog
      frog 7 August 2020 12: 37
      +3
      AND SUCH - TOLERATE

      What does it mean - "tolerate" ???? You can see the work biography of this character, or the same Rakhmanov .... You might think that when appointing someone wanted achievements from them in the literal sense of the word. Correct distribution of financial trickles is their main task. And, judging by their position, the trickles are correctly distributed ..... And all these spaces, icebreakers, etc. ..... In the dashing 2000s, there was such a term - "theme". Theme "Kamaz", theme "Cherokee", theme "Nissan Patrol", etc. There the presence of these items was not at all the main thing, the main thing was the various redistribution of pennies, revolving around this topic. And now the boys have grown up (who are lucky)))) .....
    4. Disant
      Disant 7 August 2020 13: 43
      0
      "Unions" are still flying ... This trolling from Rogozin has already exceeded all censorship norms - this is HUTSPA, which he indulges in with pleasure.
      AND SUCH - TOLERATE.
      Why
      What is it?

      because the UNION is the best!
      And this dogma. Revelation.
      And it is independent of who is at the head of our space.
      .
      Eagles, Federations, Cru Dragons are not for humans. This is for profit and (or) deceiving the enemy. It's not okay to poop, it's not okay to go out into space
      1. bayard
        bayard 7 August 2020 14: 33
        +3
        Quote: Disant
        because the UNION is the best!

        Who would argue? He flies at such a pace for another half a hundred years.
        Accident-free.
        I mean - where is the money and the results for "Federation" aka "Eagle"?
        Where are the new media that have been in development for a quarter of a century?
        And that there will be no new "Buran" - there are no carriers for it.
        You can rummage through the archives and bring out the Clipper or whatever was going to be launched with the help of Mriya ... But to repeat ... TO SOMEONE.
        There are no personnel, no competencies, no capacities, no carriers.
        There are no leaders in this industry either.
        Some journalists.
        Traitors to the Motherland (one such assistant to the current leader is now under investigation).
        And office staff to master the budget.
        ALL .
        Where is the Science module?
        For a quarter of a century WHERE ?!
        Russian cosmonauts earn extra money as orbital assenizers and as a cab on a Korolev ship ...
        But the ship is, of course, reliable.
        The old Soviet engineering and design school.
        1. slipped
          slipped 7 August 2020 22: 08
          +3
          Quote: bayard
          Who would argue? He flies at such a pace for another half a hundred years.
          Accident-free.


          TPK Soyuz is included in the ISS program as a "rescue ship".

          Quote: bayard
          I mean - where is the money and the results for "Federation" aka "Eagle"?


          According to the production plan, the assembly of the ship is 2021-2023. Launched in 2023.

          Quote: bayard
          Where are the new media that have been in development for a quarter of a century?


          A5 leaves for Plesetsk.

          Quote: bayard
          And that there will be no new "Buran" - there are no carriers for it.


          "Burana" will not be exactly. In an interview with Rogozin, it is said so. The conversation was about a possible cruise ship to replace the Soyuz.

          Quote: bayard
          You can rummage through the archives and pull out the Clipper


          Not. This is an outdated technology.

          Quote: bayard
          Where is the Science module?


          Here, lies packed and ready to be sent to the cosmodrome:



          Sending on August 10 in agreement with Russian Railways.

          Quote: bayard
          For a quarter of a century WHERE ?!


          The module was assembled in 2012. Where does a quarter century come from? laughing

          Quote: bayard
          Russian cosmonauts moonlight as orbital assenizers and cabbies on the Korolev ship


          Wow. Then the Americans, Europeans and other Japanese also earn extra money as a carriage to deliver our scientific instruments to others and to other planets. laughing And we skim the cream off this. lol
          1. bayard
            bayard 8 August 2020 02: 35
            0
            We were surprised with "Science". Let's see how it flies and what will come of it.
            Quote: slipped

            The module was assembled in 2012. Where does a quarter century come from?

            And how much did you collect? How long did he stand with shavings / garbage in the tank?
            And the epic with the composite "Federation"? And only at the final stage did they think of checking for the release of poisonous gases when heated ...
            God grant that at least military satellites are launched at least sometimes. So that there was something and there was something to collect these satellites from (I'm talking about an electronic component base).
            Quote: slipped

            "Burana" will not be exactly. In an interview with Rogozin, it is said so. The conversation was about a possible cruise ship to replace the Soyuz

            And cruise first stages for future missiles smile
            which this journalist punches with such persistence - for landing on an airplane request belay ... Will you defend this project too?
            And the skyscraper "Phalos Rogozin"?
            Such a complex and specific industry should be led by PROFESSIONALS, and not by majors with journalist education and former Komsomol activists.
            Young people can sing fables about the achievements of Roscosmos, but in my younger years I took part in ensuring the landings of spacecraft (and "Buran" too) - radar control after entering the atmosphere.
            Up to hundreds of plantings per year.
            And he was familiar with the participants of the Soviet lunar program - the creators of the lunar landing module ...
            I have something to compare with.
            And good luck to you during this difficult time. If you have anything to do with this.
            hi
            1. slipped
              slipped 8 August 2020 12: 36
              +1
              Quote: bayard
              We were surprised with "Science". Let's see how it flies and what will come of it.


              How many wonderful discoveries we have ... laughing

              Quote: bayard
              And how much did you collect? How long did he stand with shavings / garbage in the tank?


              The reassembly of the module from the spare FGB-2 into the MLM module began in 2007 and continued until 2012.
              From 2013 to 2015 - testing, in the process - sending back to the factory. Since 2017, work has begun with him. "Enhanced" was added to the name of the module as some of the hardware was changed.

              Quote: bayard
              And the epic with the composite "Federation"? And only at the final stage did they think of checking for the release of poisonous gases when heated ...


              Composite VA is one of two shell options considered during the preliminary design process. The main reason for the refusal was the absence at that moment of an available domestic production base for the creation of such a building, and not the mythical Haypozhorsk journalistic "emission of poisonous gases". A similar hull is planned by the private company MTKS in their cargo ship "Argo".

              For the "Eagle", a body made of aluminum alloy, similar to a Soyuz one, was developed and produced. It is more effective in terms of protecting astronauts.

              Quote: bayard
              God grant that at least military satellites are launched at least sometimes. So that there was something and there was something to collect these satellites from (I'm talking about an electronic component base).


              EEE in Russia is handled by the Russian Space Systems company. There are problems there, but they are being solved. For example, the company recently revealed that they have implemented the latest 3D solid state assembly technology.



              Quote: bayard
              And cruise first stages for future missiles smile which this journalist punches with such persistence - for landing on an airplane request belay ... Will you defend this project too?


              There is such an OCD - "Wing-SV" is called. The Foundation for Advanced Research is engaged in it together with Myasishchev. They are now creating the technology of winged return stages. Soon they will have launches from CapYar. This technology will be worked out and the stage of the ultralight rocket will itself return to the launch point at the airfield, without any additional logistics for delivery from the launch point, like an unmanned aerial vehicle.

              Let me remind you that at SpaceX the stage is delivered to the plant by barge or by road, while at Rocket Labs it is planned to pick up a parachute and deliver it by helicopter.

              Quote: bayard
              Young people can sing fables about the achievements of Roscosmos, but in my younger years I took part in ensuring the landings of spacecraft (and "Buran" too) - radar control after entering the atmosphere.


              The winged step does not enter the atmosphere "like a blizzard." It falls off well before the Karman line. She does not require surface protection with Gravimol. laughing

              Quote: bayard
              I have something to compare with.


              In order to compare, you need to be at least aware of new space technologies. Including domestic ones. laughing And not live only with memories, as you have at Yuzhmash.
              1. bayard
                bayard 8 August 2020 14: 49
                0
                Quote: slipped
                as you have on "Yuzhmash".

                No longer with us. This is the seventh year of war in Donbas.
                I live in Donetsk.
                Quote: slipped

                The winged step does not enter the atmosphere "like a blizzard." It falls off well before the Karman line. She does not require surface protection with Gravimol.

                I'm talking about something else - if a rocket launches vertically and lands on an aircraft, then the wings, landing gear, ensuring lateral rigidity, etc. will devour the lion's share of its payload. It will turn out to be very expensive, difficult and irrational.
                If the "rocket" starts on the plane and sits down on the plane, then for a light rocket it is easier to reanimate "Burlak" (which was going to be launched with the Tu-160), or the "Spiral" of the last iteration - with the help of "Mriya" (for a light rocket any converted transport aircraft will do ... Those pictures and layouts that were published (with the wing rotated 90 degrees for landing), even at a superficial glance, raise serious doubts about rationality ... One turning mechanism will cost what - both technically and in weights


                Quote: slipped
                EEE in Russia is handled by the Russian Space Systems company. There are problems there, but they are being solved. For example, the company recently revealed that they have implemented the latest 3D solid state assembly technology.

                If there is any result, there is already hope. Only since the end of the 100s there has been more talk about the "Russian Silicon Valley" than the result. Due to the sanctions imposed, the A-XNUMX programs (a critical AWACS aircraft for the Aerospace Forces), programs for the creation and deployment of satellite constellations have been disrupted ...
                With promises to promise.
                A number of programs that are critical for the defense capability have failed, the education system prepares intellectual disabled people (not hyperbole - the experience of communicating with young people for the last 10-15 years, and exceptions only confirm the rules). And this is not the fault of the youth, it is the fault of the Education System and the State System as a whole.
                Who will assemble Angara missiles in Omsk?
                Where will the staff be recruited?
                And what will be the quality of the work of these personnel?
                Rumors coming from Omsk do not give reasons for enthusiastic expectations.
                Unfortunately .
                This is not a grumbling. This is a lack of confidence in the quality of management of the economy and the state as a whole. Discontent with IRRESPONSIBILITY and impunity, incompetence and self-confident arrogance.
                Precisely to QUALITY - in all the breadth of this concept.
                And I have enough competence to assess this quality.
                And good luck to Roskosmos.
                It will be useful to him.
                hi
                1. slipped
                  slipped 8 August 2020 15: 52
                  +1
                  Quote: bayard
                  I'm talking about something else - if a rocket launches vertically and lands on an aircraft, then the wings, landing gear, ensuring lateral rigidity, etc. will devour the lion's share of its payload. It will turn out to be very expensive, difficult and irrational.


                  For an ultralight vehicle with a powerful and economically fuel-efficient engine or their bundle, namely, such an engine is being created within the framework of the Vortex R&D project, this is insignificant. That is why a technology demonstrator is being created, on which "lateral stiffness, wings and landing gear" will be tested in real flight.

                  Quote: bayard
                  If the "rocket" starts on the plane and sits down on the plane, then for a light rocket it is easier to reanimate "Burlak" (which was going to be launched with the Tu-160), or the "Spiral" of the last iteration - with the help of "Mriya" (for a light rocket any converted transport plane will do ...


                  We do not currently have a "free" Tu-160 or AN-225 type aircraft. An air launch will still require the creation of a new rocket.

                  Quote: bayard
                  Those pictures and layouts that were published (with the wing turned by 90 degrees for the sake of landing), even at a superficial glance, raise serious doubts about rationality ... One turning mechanism will cost what - both technically and in scales.


                  The wing spreading system is well developed.

                  Quote: bayard
                  Because of the sanctions imposed, programs for the creation and deployment of satellite constellations were disrupted ...


                  What programs for the deployment of satellite constellations have been thwarted? The EKS is deployed in a minimal configuration and the next spacecraft are on the way, GLONASS is supplemented with new devices, as the resource depletes from the satellites, BLAGOVEST is fully deployed, ERS KANOPUS is fully deployed. Yes, there are problems with the production of some new satellites for constellations, but they are being solved.



                  Quote: bayard
                  Trust in the printed and public word has been lost - one golimous hype and bravura promises.


                  So you're looking at launches. laughing Just over a week ago, two of the latest Russian geostationary communication satellites were successfully launched.



                  Quote: bayard
                  Who will assemble Angara missiles in Omsk?


                  Several cars are already being assembled. laughing

                  Quote: bayard
                  Where will the staff be recruited? And what will be the quality of the work of these personnel?


                  https://www.omgtu.ru/general_information/faculties/faculty_of_transport_oil_and_gas/the_department_quot_aviation_and_rocket_quot/educational_process/160400_62.php

                  Quote: bayard
                  Rumors coming from Omsk do not give reasons for enthusiastic expectations.


                  Perhaps these are just rumors. laughing
      2. Jurkovs
        Jurkovs 8 August 2020 12: 34
        +1
        Quote: Disant
        because the UNION is the best!

        But not without sin. The Soyuz-M modification was being prepared for manned orbital flights of the Moon. The descent capsule had additional layers of thermal protection. to withstand the return at a second space speed. And then he didn't fly to the moon. And then the extra layers of thermal protection were not installed. And in order not to disturb the alignment of the descent capsule, 220 kg are carried into orbit. ballast. Imagine: every gram of dry weight is saved on Earth, and ballast is launched into space so that alignment is not disturbed during descent. These are the skeletons in our closets.
  • mdsr
    mdsr 7 August 2020 06: 54
    11
    Quote: Victor_B
    Shock the imagination with loud statements - this is quite in the style of Rogozin.

    Rushing from one project to another, realizing that neither this, nor the next project will save you, it already looks like despair. SO talentless to squander and ask ... all the achievements - it must be complete nerd a true effective manager zeroed out.
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 7 August 2020 07: 14
      +3
      Don't, he is not a defective manager, but a very correct one! tongue Not everyone can master so much money. The team of deputies is also excellent, independent and proactive laughing And the result? And who needs it at the top? There are other priorities.
    2. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 7 August 2020 08: 41
      +3
      Whatever one may say, but technology is driven by fanatics. Take at least space exploration with Korolev, at least the development of the Internet. The injection of money hasn't made anyone smarter. He made him richer. No smarter. Our financial managers are only capable of cutting the dough. Where are our idea fanatics? Yes, they won't be allowed close to projects! They are all pouring into science and even paying their own! And this is wrong! You need everything for yourself, yourself and yourself! hi
    3. slipped
      slipped 7 August 2020 09: 47
      -4
      Quote: mdsr
      To rush from one project to another,


      There is no throwing. laughing
      1. shahor
        shahor 8 August 2020 17: 15
        -2
        Quote: slipped
        There is no throwing.

        Let's see. To date, KK Orel, the carrier of the Angara, has just announced the development of a reusable Union on a methane engine, now, Buran ... Rogozin really cannot determine priorities, he is not an expert. To smear the cut-down financing with a thin layer means not to get anything, but to master the funds.
        1. slipped
          slipped 8 August 2020 19: 08
          +1
          Quote: shahor
          Quote: slipped
          There is no throwing.

          And let's see.


          Let's. laughing

          Quote: shahor
          Today - KK Orel, the carrier of the Angara, has just - a statement about the development of a reusable Union on a methane engine, now - Buran ...


          The Angara space rocket complex is being created for:
          1. Replacement of heptyl carrier rockets of the Cyclone-2/3 and Proton-M type.
          2. Independent launch into space from its territory of all types of payloads, both domestically produced and imported.
          3. Creation of new space technologies and creation of new jobs at the enterprises of the space industry.
          4. Transition to versatility and serial production in space technology to reduce the cost of components.
          The launch of the third rocket - the second aircraft A5 - November 2020.

          The promising manned reusable transport vehicle "Eagle" is being created for:
          1. Autonomous flight to a circumlunar orbit and return from it.
          2. As part of the interplanetary flight complex to Mars and other planets of the solar system.
          As a carrier within the LCI, the Angara-A5P certified for manned flight is used. The launch of the first flight product is 2023.
          The Yenisei super-heavy complex is used as a standard carrier. Launching into a circumlunar orbit - 2027.

          The Soyuz-LNG space rocket complex is an initiative of the Progress RCC and the Gazprom company, it is planned for:
          1. Replacement of the Soyuz-2 launch vehicle during the launch of serial spacecraft.
          2. Reducing the number of components produced for the medium carrier.
          3. Reducing the cost of delivering a kilogram of payload into orbit.
          The start of operation is planned after 2025.

          The creation of a new "Buran" is not planned.
          1. shahor
            shahor 9 August 2020 02: 32
            -1
            Quote: slipped
            to reduce the cost of components.

            Appreciated your sense of humor. About cheaper Angara. The cost of development has just increased by 21 billion rubles ... And I did not talk about why this or that project is needed. I'm talking about their number and priorities. And Ragozin rushes about in despair, hoping that at least something will burn out. It won't burn out. As for Buran, read the title of the article carefully. Develop. At whose expense is the banquet?
            1. slipped
              slipped 9 August 2020 10: 49
              +1
              Quote: shahor
              Quote: slipped
              to reduce the cost of components.

              Appreciated your sense of humor. About cheaper Angara.


              There is no humor, the cost of production has decreased by a third.

              Quote: shahor
              The development cost has just increased by 21 billion rubles ...


              The rocket has been developed and produced. In addition, money is allocated for modernization to create the following modifications.

              Quote: shahor
              And I didn’t talk about what this or that project is for. I'm talking about their number and priorities.


              I gave you priority and voiced it. In order. I repeat:

              1.A5, A1.2
              2. Eagle
              3. Soyuz-5
              4. A5M (P)
              5. А5В, Soyuz-6
              6. Yenisei

              At the moment, Omsk is working on the release of four missiles a year, after 2023 it will be on target.

              Quote: shahor
              And Ragozin rushes about in despair, hoping that at least something will burn out.


              Despair is only with you, in an attempt to invent non-existent entities. laughing

              Quote: shahor
              It won't burn out.


              What won't work out there? laughing Our production of missiles is in full swing:



              And the components of "Eagle" are produced:



              Quote: shahor
              As for Buran, read the title of the article carefully. Develop. At whose expense is the banquet?


              This is a fake hype headline. The interview says something completely different.
    4. Roman123567
      Roman123567 7 August 2020 09: 52
      -3
      -it already looks like despair

      I'm sure. that he was deeply involved in all this ..
      The main thing is money .. none of those who saws - do not despair .. If only the feeder was not covered up !!
  • paul3390
    paul3390 7 August 2020 09: 30
    -2
    It would be better if someone was instructed to create an analogue of the Soviet Korolev .. And his Council of Chief Designers .. And then from nonesh managers - one harm and filth ..
    1. slipped
      slipped 7 August 2020 09: 48
      0
      Quote: paul3390
      It would be better if someone was instructed to create an analogue of the Soviet Korolev .. And his Council of Chief Designers .. And then from nonesh managers - one harm and filth ..


      The Council of the Civil Code was recreated long ago by Rogozin.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 7 August 2020 09: 51
        +2
        And - what? Did you feel better? Everything that the greedy hands of Putin's "effective managers" reach has only one goal - as much dough as possible right now. And there - even though the grass does not grow. Capitalism, sir ...
        1. slipped
          slipped 7 August 2020 10: 00
          -4
          Quote: paul3390
          And - what? Did you feel better?


          People work. Create a new technique. Does this surprise you?
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 7 August 2020 10: 01
            +1
            Isn't it funny yourself? They work .. And where are the results for so many years? So far - solid loud promises and total drank dough.
            1. slipped
              slipped 7 August 2020 10: 07
              +1
              Quote: paul3390
              Isn't it funny yourself? They work .. And where are the results for so many years?


              In a year and a half? Tanks of the Soyuz-5 rocket are already being assembled at the Progress RCC, and at the beginning of next year everything will be sent for dynamic tests to TsNIIMash. The first flight engine for the rocket is already being assembled at NPO Energomash.



              A second stage engine is being created at KBKhA. The launch of the first rocket is scheduled for 2023.
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 7 August 2020 10: 12
                +1
                And then a year and a half ?? Putin has been in power for two decades. In the country, not a single cat is left, not born with him. And keep all these fairy tales that they collect something for yourself. Well, they collect - and what? Angara flew over there too - what next? The eastern type was built with a sin in half - but what's the point? So far, they are simply throwing us out of the space business at a very rapid pace, and there is something we cannot see that we can oppose to this. Even the mythical Soyuz-5 with the Eagle type ..
                1. slipped
                  slipped 7 August 2020 10: 14
                  0
                  Quote: paul3390
                  And then a year and a half ?? Putin has been in power for two decades.


                  You asked a question about the GC Council. I told you that it was recreated. You asked what? I showed you what. laughing What does Putin have to do with it?

                  Do you have a brain Putin? lol

                  Quote: paul3390
                  Even the mythical Soyuz-5 with the Eagle type ..


                  That's right, don't believe your eyes. lol
                  1. paul3390
                    paul3390 7 August 2020 10: 19
                    +1
                    And your language is Putin? Is it pleasant to lick the guarantor voluptuously? This kind of recreated advice of yours is just a dumb fiction. For under the USSR, Chief Designers were the ones who ruled the space industry, and now it is financial hucksters who rule it. The same entity will not appear from the same name.

                    Eyes can only be trusted when it all flies. And not just once, but on an ongoing basis. That's when you bend the tambourine to the so ridiculed Mask - then we'll talk. Until then, it's all just 3.14 * goodness.
                  2. slipped
                    slipped 7 August 2020 10: 31
                    0
                    Quote: paul3390
                    And you have a Putin language? Is it pleasant to lick the guarantor voluptuously?


                    You have one verbiage. Do you like tolerance? lol

                    Quote: paul3390
                    This kind of recreated advice of yours is just a dumb fiction.


                    Well, of course. How else lol

                    Quote: paul3390
                    Eyes can be trusted only when it all flies.


                    First you need to do this. You hurry? laughing
                  3. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. 7 August 2020 11: 00
                    -1
                    The chief designers in the USSR did not run the space program - they were engaged, as it should be, in design activities. The Minister of Medium Machine Building headed and coordinated the work of the space industry.
                  4. slipped
                    slipped 7 August 2020 12: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: AU Ivanov.
                    The chief designers in the USSR did not run the space program - they were engaged, as it should be, in design activities. The Minister of Medium Machine Building headed and coordinated the work of the space industry.


                    by the way, the new welding equipment at Progress is already brewing test iron

                  5. Jurkovs
                    Jurkovs 8 August 2020 12: 39
                    0
                    [quoteHead and coordinated the work of the space industry by the Minister of Medium Machine Building.] [/ quote]
                    Academician Keldysh was the main ideologist of our space program.
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 7 August 2020 15: 04
                  -2
                  And you seem to be a shiz - you stick Putin everywhere.
            2. Disant
              Disant 7 August 2020 14: 15
              +1
              paul3390- for cats - plus good laughing haven't heard yet
              and then - panic ..
              The eastern one has not yet been built - there should be a replacement for Baikonur - that means at least one more table, housing, rails, sleepers, hangars.
              Where did they kick us out of ?, against the backdrop of strictly military tasks for ALL in space, explain. What kind of business??? Jumping of future tourists for 50-100 km followed by an instant fall?
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 7 August 2020 11: 26
    0
    Quote: Victor_B
    Shock the imagination with loud statements - this is quite in the style of Rogozin.

    You just need to remember the fact that Buran was a DUAL destination. Many people know about the civilian side of this project, but few people know that there was also a second (main) purpose - a space bomber.
    And to secure your own is a sacred matter. The helmsmen do not want to share with the West what is so overwhelmingly privatized and stolen. From here Rogozin remembered about Buran, because there is no protection against the space bomber yet and there will not be any in the next 15 years.
    I will say more, the more mattresses show the world their hyper-duper weapon, the more likely it is that the same Rogozin will remember some Soviet project, say, a climate weapon or a shock laser in orbit.
  • spectr
    spectr 7 August 2020 12: 03
    +2
    Rogozin is trying to do what the leader of his level is supposed to do. Initiate new projects in the hope that some will "shoot" (since any manager is estimated by the number of successfully completed projects). Otherwise, the wreckage of Roskosmos, among other things, could bury his career. The main problem is, as always, in the performers. It takes too much nerves, time and knowledge to pull the industry out. No one is ready to harness to restore what was broken in the 90s.
  • dsaf
    dsaf 7 August 2020 06: 20
    +4
    The developments remained, although the developers, at best, are retired ...
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 7 August 2020 06: 33
      +5
      Quote: dsaf
      The developments remained, although the developers, at best, are retired ...

      Alas ... they were ON PAPER. Where are those archives? And who will be able to understand them and translate them into numbers? Even if they are intact, they are not handed over to waste paper. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about. Many archives have died over the years. Just by my death ...
      1. dsaf
        dsaf 7 August 2020 06: 37
        +1
        Everything should not be lost, although losses are inevitable.
        And the "snowstorms" themselves are, there are products, you can see something in nature ...
        But the task is for a decade, with the normal formulation of work!
        And what about Rogozin's perpetual shift to the right - I'm even afraid to guess ...
        Rogozin must be chased, he is not an engineer at all!
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 7 August 2020 06: 57
          -9
          Quote: dsaf
          , he's not an engineer at all!

          And where did you get the idea that a good engineer will be a good manager?
          The business of the manager is not to sit behind the drawings, but to manage.
          I agree that it is necessary to drive as one who has not coped with the task assigned to him.
          Yes, it is desirable with a ban on holding leadership positions.
          Especially after his vyser, that we will be able to fly to the ISS and on Zashtatov ships
          1. dsaf
            dsaf 7 August 2020 07: 29
            +7
            Since engineers were managers in the USSR, let us recall Korolev.
            And the successes are incomparable.
            I can agree on the point that for an engineer, a transition to management more often means professional degradation.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 7 August 2020 07: 46
              -6
              Quote: dsaf
              Since engineers were managers in the USSR, let us recall Korolev.

              Not everywhere and not always.
              Korolev was a manager as the founder of the industry.
              The job of an engineer is to design, invent, etc.
              It's up to the manager to provide him with everything he needs to work.
              But this is now. In the USSR, of course, the manager also directed and controlled the process.
              Tu not only take Korolev as an example.
              All aircraft designers were brilliant designers.
              Yes, in almost all industries it was
            2. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 7 August 2020 11: 02
              0
              Korolev was not a manager. As it was not Glushko and Chelomey. These are general designers. The space program was managed by completely different people - professional administrators.
        2. SOVIET UNION 2
          SOVIET UNION 2 7 August 2020 08: 42
          +6
          Beria was not an engineer either. And Stalin too. But what are the results!
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 7 August 2020 10: 05
            +5
            Formally, they were not. But if we take into account the colossal amount of literature, including technical, that Joseph Vissarionovich has mastered in his life, I think that in terms of the breadth of his horizons, he would have hammered tanks to sooooo many certified engineers. After all, a person has been continuously engaged in self-education all his life .. Like many other Stalinist leaders.
            1. SOVIET UNION 2
              SOVIET UNION 2 8 August 2020 11: 49
              0
              But if we take into account the colossal amount of literature, including technical, that Joseph Vissarionovich has mastered in his life, I think that in terms of the breadth of his horizons, he would have hammered tanks to sooooo many certified engineers. After all, a person has been continuously engaged in self-education all his life .. Like many other Stalinist leaders.
              And here is the break in the template of modern thinking! Why study yourself if you can hire for money !? All the more surprising are the results of Stalin's student as a priest! The direction seems to be purely humanitarian! But what is the result of being an essentially church minister! Stalin seems to have embodied the socialist teaching of Christ!
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 7 August 2020 10: 10
            +3
            Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
            Beria was not an engineer either. And Stalin too. But what are the results!

            They were statesmen and they thought about the people and the state in the first place .. and today they think about who has a longer yacht ..
            1. 33797
              33797 8 August 2020 06: 20
              +2
              It is right. And Rogozin - "To scratch with your tongue is not to drag logs." The mouth is closed - the workplace is cleaned, and at the exit "0".
      2. vadimtt
        vadimtt 7 August 2020 07: 16
        +7
        To understand the old blueprints, even if they have survived, not every modern engineer is given. In addition, not everything is reflected on these blueprints, and those who know the nuances are no longer there. The "Petrovich effect" in all its glory.
        1. dsaf
          dsaf 7 August 2020 07: 32
          -5
          Quote: vadimtt
          not every modern engineer is given

          For digitization, it is better to recruit staff specifically, some girls.
          1. vadimtt
            vadimtt 7 August 2020 07: 47
            +8
            What are you talking about? What kind of digitization? Have you worked with engineering documentation at all? I will never forget how I understood the intricacies of programming the PS2000 multiprocessor. Until I contacted the Kharkovites (the manufacturer was there) directly, it was not clear nichrome. And it was a complete new set of documentation. What does the "girls" have to do with it?
            1. d4rkmesa
              d4rkmesa 7 August 2020 08: 42
              -3
              What is the connection between engineering documentation and programming in this case, it seems to me, or are you talking about different things?
              1. vadimtt
                vadimtt 7 August 2020 09: 25
                +3
                About different. To program a supercomputer, one must not only know Fortran, but also an assembler with microcode, and master the architecture no worse than its developer (military tasks, optimization is critical). And the architecture is not very simple. It is somewhat comparable to modern GPUs, but more flexible.
            2. Narak-zempo
              Narak-zempo 7 August 2020 08: 49
              +5
              Quote: vadimtt
              What does the "girls" have to do with it?

              Despite the fact that daddies from Roskosmos need to arrange their kept women for non-dusty positions somewhere. Digitization is the very thing, no one will ask the results.
            3. dsaf
              dsaf 7 August 2020 09: 01
              -2
              I looked blue.
              Only they were not blue, about red-brown.
              Digitization is a must - "blue", many are simply shabby, on the folds and in general.
              And errata even on running microcontrollers come out, nothing has changed much here ...
              1. vadimtt
                vadimtt 7 August 2020 09: 36
                +4
                It looks like you are just confusing "save documents in digital form" and "recreate a complex structure from drawings of another technological era from digitized drawings" wink
                1. dsaf
                  dsaf 8 August 2020 08: 47
                  -1
                  I do not confuse.
                  But counting digitization necessary stage.
                  Regarding the technological era: in my, subjective, opinion, you accept the scale of changes in your area as universal.
                  Of course, the transition from looseness on the 531-series to CUDA, etc. striking (respect, by the way, did not find, the very beginning I have 1801, a DEC clone, if you remember).

                  But the B-52 still flies, even with old engines ...
                  I arranged the guy for practice, as a turner (they sang to him that with such a specialty he could find a job once or twice) - the machine is exactly the same as I repaired before the army (our shabrik is all wink )

                  It was for rough work and it looks even scary to look at, but there are others, the same, work!
                  In a glider, thermal protection, etc. there is progress, but Epoch has not changed.

                  PS: late answered tk. I have a limitation of some kind, 5 posts.
                  1. vadimtt
                    vadimtt 10 August 2020 18: 07
                    0
                    I still disagree with you, rocket engines are something from the "state of the art" area, i.e. this is undoubtedly an engineering object, but without a share of the unknown "beautiful" it will not fly laughing And this element cannot be displayed in blue. It was owned only by people who directly developed and manufactured the engine. People are gone - the engine is gone too. This is my IMHO, of course. Perhaps these are systemic problems of maintaining design and technological documentation. And no modern CAD will change that much.

                    PS: How, how, how, K1801VM1 (2-3) from BC to DVK yes My favorite command system PDP-11, which was carefully put on its silicon and circuitry, was not pulled "from the damned west". From that it came out very well.
  • svp67
    svp67 7 August 2020 07: 57
    +9
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Repeat - it will not work.

    Duck and it is not necessary ... Any statement of Mr. Rogozin already causes complete rejection ... and I do not understand how he is being kept in this place.
    The head of Roskosmos said that to service orbital stations, the operation of the Orel (formerly Federation) spacecraft "will be expensive", so Russia needs a reusable spacecraft.
    And he will not tell the story of the emergence of this project of the "Federated Eagle", it was all under his leadership ... Before the "Federation", our Roscosmos quite "successfully" mastered money on the Clipper project
    1. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 7 August 2020 08: 52
      +5
      Or maybe it doesn't matter what to master? Clipper or Skipper? The main thing is to master! Was the task to get the result set? To have a result, you need to set the goal of the result. It is necessary to place responsibility for non-fulfillment. Do we practice this? You can, of course, master the money for flights to Mars there and back in two hours! But will the flight take place?
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 7 August 2020 11: 03
        +3
        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
        Or maybe it doesn't matter what to master? Clipper or Skipper?
        All problems, these are consequences, but the reason ... If in fact Sberbank is under the Federal Reserve System, and those in power "in body and soul" in the West, where is their money, what will be their space ambitions, for whom? Oil or gas would have to be delivered to orbit for a lot of money, space tankers would have been made, and so, who among the traitorous traders now needs the space prestige of Russia, who needs science without immediate income?
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    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 August 2020 15: 09
      0
      And then it turned out - "At the end of 2007, the main difficulties that hinder the creation of a spacecraft were revealed:

      The high cost of ground infrastructure required to rescue the crew at any stage of the flight. First of all, we are talking about foreign airfields, landing on which required payment for local infrastructure and was possible only in manual mode.
      The inability to use the Clipper for flights to the Moon. When returning to Earth at a second cosmic speed, the wing edges would heat up above permissible values, which would create a risk for astronauts (it was possible to create the necessary material only in 2020 in a project not related to Clipper.
      The heating problem could be solved by using a ballistic scheme with multiple passage of the ship through the upper atmosphere, but in this case, the crew would be in danger from the radiation belts. Therefore, in 2008, an alternative option was proposed - a transformable layout of the reentry vehicle, which would combine the advantages of the carrier body (when the wing consoles are in the folded position) and the winged shape (the wing consoles are open). A similar scheme was used in the experimental apparatus of the Bor series.

      The development of a transformable RV scheme opened up opportunities for flights to the Moon, but due to the complexity of the design and the complexity of rescuing the crew in the event of a failure in the opening mechanism of the consoles, it was deemed inappropriate. Thus, preference was given to the design of the load-bearing hull, which actually meant the beginning of the creation of a new spacecraft.
  • akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 7 August 2020 08: 22
    +2
    And there is no one to entrust the new ones. Now, instead of engineers, such wooden buratin are produced - Mom, do not worry! A graduate comes to get a job, according to an engineering diploma, in fact, the elite - SDshnik! (Airplane engine). And he does not just talk about the construction of the SU, it does not know its elementary profession! It's like a pastry chef will raise his eyebrows in surprise about the mention of flour and eggs. And here nifiga is not flour
  • Svarog
    Svarog 7 August 2020 09: 52
    +1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    The old developments have been lost, for the prescription, but the new ones?

    And there are no new ones, everything new is the development of the USSR.
    I have big doubts that Rogozin's department will master this project. Although, of course, the idea is great, well, in conditions of budget cuts and a weak economy in general, mediocre managers are only effective in cutting.
    1. slipped
      slipped 7 August 2020 11: 15
      0
      Quote: Svarog
      I have great doubts that Rogozin's department will master this project.


      You first read the ORIGINAL interview. Then express your doubts. laughing https://ria.ru/20200807/1575441196.html
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 August 2020 15: 14
      -1
      On the development of the USSR, you can no longer leave, they ended physically and mentally back in the 90s. Now Russia creates everything itself on new equipment, new CAD systems, new personnel, technical solutions, and so on.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 7 August 2020 14: 57
    -1
    And new ones have already been tested at the Vanguards and Zircons - in terms of heat-resistant materials and control in the plasma flow, but there is no point in repeating Buran since it is outdated physically and morally if it is to create an air-space aircraft with a combined ramjet engine + rocket engine with its own takeoff and landing at the airfield without the use of rocket stages.
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 8 August 2020 12: 14
    0
    By the way, in the early 2000s, TsiKh turned to Energia with a request to work out a reusable ship for the Angara-A3. The project was called Eagle. That's it. The Ministry of Defense did not support it.
  • vVvAD
    vVvAD 8 August 2020 16: 26
    0
    There are a lot of projects: Federation / Oryol, Angara, Yenisei, SV Wing, Sphere, own station based on the Russian segment of the ISS, landing on the Moon and meteorites, now here is an analogue of Buran ...
    A lot of trampolines will be needed for all these projects. wassat
    But seriously: no, of course, we need to develop several directions at once, but not tackling anything in the conditions of limited resources, and it’s worth talking less - deeds are more eloquent than any words. As well as the absence of those.
    China only informs after the fact. And the facts are quite good - the pace is such that we can only dream. Because they HAVE GOALS, as well as ambitions and finances - and there are ways to achieve ...
    Have you heard what Putin said about the goals of space exploration? Here I am too ...
    Huh? Keeping up with the development of manned astronautics? And this is the PURPOSE?
    Here the Americans also have a goal with which they rush like a written sack - to commercialize space. Well, they commercialize themselves - there are no questions.
  • atalef
    atalef 11 August 2020 06: 47
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Repeat - it won't work

    why won't it work?
    It's just that the amers can't revive Saturn, but with the blizzard, everything will work out.
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 13 August 2020 06: 48
    +1
    Dry, I think he can handle it.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 7 August 2020 06: 07
    -1
    Announcements and projects a new trend in bureaucracy?
    1. marchcat
      marchcat 7 August 2020 06: 29
      0
      Rogozin is the new lieutenant after Medvedev. He, too, always gave instructions to everyone, but things are still there ...
  • Finches
    Finches 7 August 2020 06: 10
    -3
    "Buran" - and today is not particularly outdated, change the electronic filling a bit, but a star for an eagle - that's the whole development! Well, a rollback of a hundred lards spent on the development of the "newest" shuttle, draw in the statements ...! How long does it take to develop? This is when from 0 - a long time, and how to approach business - from the moment of digging the first shovel under the foundation of the cosmodrome to the manned launch of the spacecraft, 16 years have passed ... How long? And here everything has already been invented!
    1. dsaf
      dsaf 7 August 2020 06: 21
      -1
      Electronics is important, but not essential.
      Not very different from the airplane.
      1. Finches
        Finches 7 August 2020 06: 23
        0
        And everything else has already been done there!
        1. dsaf
          dsaf 7 August 2020 06: 28
          +1
          The technology still needs to be restored.
          1. Finches
            Finches 7 August 2020 06: 32
            +3
            The technology on pieces of paper has been preserved (if preserved) - specialists are needed! That's who it takes really long to recover!
            1. dsaf
              dsaf 7 August 2020 06: 33
              0
              I believe that everything is not lost ...
              1. Finches
                Finches 7 August 2020 06: 39
                0
                Yes, God forbid ... Apparently somewhere they began to put things in order in some storehouse and accidentally stumbled upon the drawings of the Buran, dumped in the corner with waste paper, showed Rogozin, they say he flew and landed himself, and then he clicked that under this project can be cut dough ... laughing
                1. Siberian54
                  Siberian54 7 August 2020 07: 51
                  +3
                  Aha !!! In the corner!!! A couple of cars of paper !!! laughing
            2. Mikhail m
              Mikhail m 7 August 2020 07: 27
              +6
              Quote: Finches
              specialists are needed! That's who it takes really long to recover!

              If at all possible. When I was at one of the factories, only one ingenious turner could sharpen a combustion chamber for an 11D427 engine. After he left, the engine had to be changed.
              1. dsaf
                dsaf 7 August 2020 07: 35
                -1
                Didn't the CNC roll?
                1. Mikhail m
                  Mikhail m 7 August 2020 07: 43
                  +3
                  100% defective. Nothing succeeded.
              2. mikhailovich22
                mikhailovich22 7 August 2020 13: 34
                0
                Quote: Mikhail M
                After he left, the engine had to be changed.

                And which one did they change?
                1. Mikhail m
                  Mikhail m 7 August 2020 14: 10
                  0
                  I was not informed, maybe, who knows.
                  1. mikhailovich22
                    mikhailovich22 7 August 2020 16: 36
                    0
                    And what is this 11D427 engine? I was looking for something and did not find it.
                    1. Mikhail m
                      Mikhail m 7 August 2020 20: 05
                      0
                      low-thrust liquid propellant rocket engine KA 11F732 11D427M
            3. Sklendarka
              Sklendarka 7 August 2020 07: 28
              +1
              Quote: Finches
              The technology on pieces of paper has been preserved (if preserved) - specialists are needed! That's who it takes really long to recover!

              ,, ... you, what are you?
              dropped chess prestige
              That's great - you will protect! ... "
    2. dSK
      dSK 7 August 2020 06: 36
      0
      The states have kept the documentation for the Apollo program (flight to the moon) - more than 20 tons of weight.
      It is not known about Buran.
      1. Siberian54
        Siberian54 7 August 2020 07: 56
        -2
        By the decision of the USA Senate, all the documentation on the Apolon project was destroyed so that no one would steal (this is how the priamble sounded.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 7 August 2020 12: 40
          +1
          This is a lie. Don't post fakes here.
          1. Siberian54
            Siberian54 8 August 2020 09: 02
            -1
            This was announced by NASA when the decision was made to create a super-heavy rocket for the lunar program.
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 8 August 2020 09: 36
              0
              Please link to the NASA statement. laughing
    3. Doctor
      Doctor 7 August 2020 07: 33
      +5
      Buran "- and today it is not particularly outdated, change the electronic filling a little, but a star for an eagle - that's the whole development!

      Yes, that's not even the point. Buran was worth big money. Now I can’t find the source, but the figure is about 1/12 of the country's budget. With a dubious outcome.
      In an economic sense - one of the nails in the lid for the USSR.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 7 August 2020 13: 26
        0
        Quote: Arzt
        Buran was worth crazy money ............. With a dubious outcome.

        It depends on how you count. Dozens (if not hundreds) of enterprises worked for Buran, with the introduction of new technologies. And all these technologies are not in demand in other industries and have not paid off?
        1. strelokmira
          strelokmira 7 August 2020 15: 10
          -1
          And all these technologies are not in demand in other industries and have not paid off?

          They did not have time to pay off, because after 90% of these businesses collapsed
      2. Siberian54
        Siberian54 8 August 2020 09: 06
        -1
        Source-weekly "Ogonyok", is it worth believing, I don’t know ..
    4. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 7 August 2020 09: 04
      -1
      The question of electronics, of course, yes, but they can spit on it and buy it on Aliexpress. What about Buran's materials? Maybe I'm a bit stupid, but so far I haven’t seen the news that the government order was saving money for the project. There was an increase in estimates. and the savings? Which of the patriotic oligarchs has mastered the budget with economy, saving the state money?
      1. Roman123567
        Roman123567 7 August 2020 10: 04
        -2
        The question of electronics, of course, yes, but they can spit on it and buy it on Aliexpress.


        Good afternoon!
        For LLC IC SIBINTEK (part of PJSC NK ROSNEFT) located in Buzuluk, Orenburg region, you purchased a batch of microcircuits labeled TOP224YN and TOP227YN, manufacturer - Power Integrations, for repairing power supplies.
        When testing TOP224YN, problems were identified:
        - Testing with a multimeter revealed a discrepancy between the internal structure of TOP224YN and a similar match with double Schottky diodes.
        When compared with the original microcircuits, there is a difference, both in marking and in the design of the case.
        You cannot use the purchased microcircuits !!!
        Please replace, urgently, with the original !!!


        That's all you need to know about Aliexpress ..))
  • Obi-Wan Kenobi
    Obi-Wan Kenobi 7 August 2020 06: 12
    +5
    Well Rogozin is an eagle !!!
    You need to be able to, so "promise" to the whole country !!!
    And the money will be allocated to him for this business !!!
    The "Vostochny" and "Angara" cosmodrome has already been commissioned, now it will be engaged in the new "shuttle".
    1. Maki maki
      Maki maki 8 August 2020 09: 56
      +9
      More promises, good and different!
  • alma
    alma 7 August 2020 06: 12
    +6
    Rogozin fell in the 70-80s? fool
    Angara, Soyuz-5 and Oryol first beat back for money.
    1. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 7 August 2020 09: 07
      -1
      Well, let's put it all fights back for the money. How much profit does a trip to the Bahamas bring? Or buying a Land Cruiser?
  • Free wind
    Free wind 7 August 2020 06: 14
    +2
    Expensive thing, incredibly expensive.
  • gvozdan
    gvozdan 7 August 2020 06: 15
    0
    The development program needs a thoughtful and balanced one. What we want the maximum and minimum, how much we are willing to spend and how long to wait.
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 7 August 2020 06: 15
    +2
    This should have been done for a long time. The challenge now is to make space more accessible. Either for money or health. The winged shuttle offers less G-forces and more comfort than the capsule. Proven by 77-year-old John Glenn. Just don't need those 100 tons, how much Buran weighed. We need a small shuttle, exactly in the capacity of Soyuz-5, that is, 17 tons.
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 7 August 2020 07: 20
      +3
      This was - the Spiral was called, probably, the drawings had not yet been brought to Rogozin, or they left it for later to arrange another new "breakthrough" laughing
      1. Pavel73
        Pavel73 7 August 2020 08: 18
        -1
        The spiral is good, but too small. You need 2 pilots and 2-4 passengers. In principle, scale the Buran in size by about 2 times, so you get a small snow storm. Even in aerodynamics, nothing will have to be radically changed.
      2. snucerist
        snucerist 7 August 2020 10: 15
        +2
        There is more talk about Spiral than real case.
        The Spiral also needed a carrier. Aircraft razoshchik.
        Lozino-Lozinsky drew a beautiful picture, but did not answer a couple of "little things".
        1. Where can I get a carrier capable of accelerating up to a speed of 6 M with a load "on the shoulders"?
        2. What can happen to the devices at such speed at the moment of their undocking?
        After all, even the titanium case of the SR-71 Blackbird at a speed of 3,5 M at an altitude of 30 km began to glow with a red light.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 7 August 2020 06: 16
    -4
    Rogozin announced the order to develop an analogue of the Soviet "Buran"
    New, well forgotten old. And if it is Soviet, then "there is so much delicious" ..... recourse In general, we will overtake everyone, definitely. hi On a new level, new materials, electronics ........
  • Crabong
    Crabong 7 August 2020 06: 21
    +6
    Buran, as such, is not needed ...
    1. dsaf
      dsaf 7 August 2020 06: 30
      0
      You need to set ambitious goals.
      The role of the carrier of space tourists is humiliating for the country.
      1. snucerist
        snucerist 7 August 2020 10: 44
        0
        Achieving ambitious goals requires (apart from a lot of other things) a solid economic base.
        What do we see in the news a week ago?
        "The cost of implementing space programs can be reduced by 60 billion rubles in 2021-2023. This figure is contained in the document developed by the Ministry of Finance" Methodology for calculating the maximum base budget allocations of the federal budget. "
        However, maybe this is for the better, it will cut less. Or one floor below there will be a stone rocket being built by Rogozin.
    2. kpd
      kpd 7 August 2020 06: 33
      +1
      Peaceful space is not needed, the military - here there are already options ...
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 7 August 2020 06: 24
    +2
    And on what will it be put into orbit?
    1. alma
      alma 7 August 2020 06: 28
      +2
      Quote: Wedmak
      And on what will it be put into orbit?

      The fact of the matter is that a new medium will have to be created.
      This is Klondike!
    2. dsaf
      dsaf 7 August 2020 06: 31
      -2
      "Energy" is being modernized.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 7 August 2020 08: 27
        +1
        What Energy, what Buran ... There is a series of Angara missiles, there are projects of cruise return accelerators, there is an Eagle ... Make it at least to a serial flight state! Why do we need a winged ship, at least 20-25 tons, if Roskosmos itself admitted that there is no payload for the heavy Angara !? And most likely it will be needed for its output. Just to carry him back and forth? The conclusions of the Shuttle history are not enough?
    3. Region68
      Region68 7 August 2020 06: 41
      +5
      They won't wear anything ..
      The task is for people to believe that something is being done ..
  • rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 7 August 2020 06: 26
    +4
    Balabol and windbag
  • Fungus
    Fungus 7 August 2020 06: 28
    -7
    It is high time to return space to Buran!
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 7 August 2020 06: 34
    0
    Quote: evgen1221
    Announcements and projects a new trend in bureaucracy?

    The formation of decay of the elites of Russia. You don't need to do anything useful. It is enough just to declare this and believe in what has been said. And voila! Effective management activities.
  • Region68
    Region68 7 August 2020 06: 39
    +3
    Blown up as they say ..
    Well, it's in their spirit ..
    Cull louder and don't bloom there at least
  • Dikson
    Dikson 7 August 2020 06: 43
    +8
    In this news, everything is fine .. - And Rogozin, and "analog", and Oryol ... The money will be allocated when - you can just go, pick up from the destroyed workshop what is left of "Buran", paint a little, clean the dust - and you can write cheerful reports for ten years! ... And then change the name, and take more money for this business! And then take more money for the construction of a new cosmodrome .. Well, it's for the grandchildren to work and work ,,, .. But in general, you can think and decide - Rogozin's statement indicates that Roskosmos will not be able to make any returnable steps, like Mask's, for years 30 ..- there is not enough brains .. No "Eagles" and "Federations" will fly anywhere either .. in the foreseeable future .. And the money is thrown in .. Therefore, it remains to get a model of "Buran" from the shelf, and create another imitation of a stormy activities ..
    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 7 August 2020 10: 09
      0
      Roscosmos will not be able to make any returnable steps, like those of Mask, for 30 years .. - there won't be enough brains ..

      Not quite so .. They can never do it !! And not even because of the brains ..
      But simply because it does not tie in with the cut ..
      As long as we have this organized criminal group in power, we'll just "laugh" ..
  • KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 7 August 2020 06: 48
    +4
    I used to be tolerant of Rogozin, right now I changed my mind
    1. slipped
      slipped 7 August 2020 10: 57
      -1
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      I used to be tolerant of Rogozin, right now I changed my mind


      Just like that, after reading the hype headline from RIA? laughing
  • Lontus
    Lontus 7 August 2020 06: 55
    -1
    Buran is a cunning plan of the late Soviet elite
    to discredit the idea of ​​the necessity of spending on space.
    The idea was to give an order to engineers to create this useless and monstrously expensive pepelats, and then attribute this idea to the developers themselves and on this basis
    accuse these engineers and the Soviet cosmonautics in general for
    that she eats too much of the people's money.
    And along with astronautics, the entire Soviet system as a whole was discredited.
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent 7 August 2020 07: 01
    +4
    Quote: Victor_B
    Most likely they will try to create something like "Spiral".

    But the Spiral project was not an analogue of the space truck of the RKS Energia-Buran, and in many ways, by design, even surpassed the latter.

    The BOR shuttle was more likely a "space taxi", but in a special design it was an orbital fighter-interceptor ...





    1. donavi49
      donavi49 7 August 2020 08: 03
      +4
      Well, this is a picture. If they do, it will be like Chaser. The flight attendant is actively collecting by the way, will fly at 21 or 22. All Senators regularly go to see how the work is going.


      Stage 1 (approved by NASA and there is money under the program of commercial delivery of load 2) - 5 tons inside to the ISS + 500-700 kg in a leaky trunk (this can be some kind of satellites thread or equipment for the ISS body kit).

      Stage 2 (so far an initiative design) - 3-5 cosmonauts in comfort, or up to 7 for a short flight (up to 2 days).
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 7 August 2020 09: 16
        +3
        Quote: donavi49
        Well, this is a picture.

        Pictures?

        But the BOR of several modifications was in space, unlike the later Dream Chaser
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 7 August 2020 10: 09
          +4
          Boron is not a Spiral. And initially large-scale models for working out various stages. They had no other task.

          Chaser is a real device in the form that is being assembled now. His model was already flying off by the way.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 7 August 2020 10: 21
            +1
            Quote: donavi49
            Boron is not a Spiral. And initially large-scale models for working out various stages. They had no other task.


            You have wide knowledge, you will not say anything No. recourse .

            Spiral program, in particular BOR-5 ships and MiG-105, gave rise to American developments, including the HL-20 program, on the basis of which the Dream Chaser and X-37V spacecraft were created.

            And the "Spiral" project itself, which began in the 1960s, was a response to the US program for the creation of the X-20 "Dyna Soar" space interceptor-reconnaissance bomber


            Quote: donavi49
            Chaser is a real device in the form that is being assembled now. His model was already flying off by the way.


            Flew off yes In launches, tethered by a helicopter fellow And the BORs were in orbit.

            In July 2017, Sierra Nevada Corporation and ULA signed an agreement providing for the implementation of the first two Dream Chaser launches on the Atlas-2 5 LV with the Centaurus twin-engine upper stage within the framework of CRS-552. First launch in 2020.

            On August 30, 2017, the first flight of a flight prototype was made, tethered to a helicopter.

            On November 11, 2017, a second glide and landing test was performed. The flight prototype was dropped from a helicopter from an altitude of 3,8 km for planning and landing testing at the Edwards airbase strip. The landing was successful.

            In early February 2018, Sierra Nevada Corporation received NASA approvals for the first mission under the CRS2 contract with a late 2020 launch window. It is planned that the first flight will be immediately operational to supply the station, in contrast to the first demonstration flights of the Cygnus and Dragon cargo ships.
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 7 August 2020 11: 01
              +4
              Boron is a scale model. BOR-2 is the one that looks like a spiral - 1 to 3. BOR-5 is generally 1 to 8.

              Model, which I indicated. Unfortunately or fortunately, no prototypes of the spiral made it to space.

              The MiG-105 is a manned aerodynamic model of the Spiral for testing controllability in atmospheric flight. That is, from the Spiral there is only aerodynamics. The same thing that the Americans flew in 2017 - in terms of elaboration and relation to the final sample. Which I also pointed out by the way - "His model has already flown off by the way."

              Here is what happened in orbit against the background of humans.


              And here is your Bor-5
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 7 August 2020 11: 12
                +1
                Quote: donavi49
                Boron is a scale model. BOR-2 is the one that looks like a spiral - 1 to 3. BOR-5 is generally 1 to 8.

                Don't tell me about the scale, after you have stated that "Boron is not a Spiral... And initially scale models for working out various stages. "

                If this is not an intermediate element in testing the viability of the Spiral concept, then what?
                1. donavi49
                  donavi49 7 August 2020 11: 25
                  +3
                  Verification of technical solutions. Now this stage is taking place here and in supercomputers. Then it was necessary to launch the model.


                  Only models that only tested certain solutions reached the launches. Their task is to descend from orbit and collect telemetry. That is, data. Before the ship - there are years and billions, which were not given and the project was closed.

                  The Americans also made 100500 of their concepts and models of nano-shuttle. Many of them flew by the way in model cars. Only a few reached the real work and also died.

              2. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 7 August 2020 21: 03
                0
                This is the thing that flew into space when the USSR played nuclear war. A piece of 8 ICBMs was launched and a Spiral was launched to a heap. It seems that it was then caught in the Indian Ocean. what
    2. Roman123567
      Roman123567 7 August 2020 10: 11
      +2
      One can only imagine what they would have managed to create in 30 years in the USSR, if the country had not collapsed then.
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 August 2020 07: 03
    10
    Complete nonsense.
    In fact, Buran, like the Shuttle itself, is completely unpromising as the main means of manned space exploration. To put it simply, Buran is much heavier than a conventional manned module, such as the Soyuz MS, and requires a much heavier rocket to launch into space. From this, the cost of a kilogram of payload launched into orbit begins to scale beyond all conceivable limits.
    Buran was not useless, of course. But this is a fairly niche tool, it must be used exactly where it is needed, and nothing else. For the Americans, by the way, the Space Shuttle program ended in failure - the richest economy in the world and close to the announced number of flights.
    Rogozin, on the other hand, cannot create anything in his repertoire, but it is easy to reanimate the Soviet development and declare it a "Great Innovative Breakthrough". Although it will struggle to reanimate, but once again will lose time and money
    1. Lontus
      Lontus 7 August 2020 07: 20
      +1
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Buran was not useless, of course.

      Was.
      And not just useless, but caused great harm with his creation.
      The launch of Energia with Buran cost 500 million rubles.
      For reference: in those years, the cost of launching a Soyuz-type LV was about 2 million rubles, and a Proton launch - about 5 million rubles.
      And the harm was not limited to just financial losses.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 August 2020 07: 35
        +6
        Quote: Lontus
        Was.

        Honestly, I don't even want to argue.
        Quote: Lontus
        The launch of Energia with Buran cost 500 million rubles.
        For reference: in those years, the cost of launching a Soyuz-type LV was about 2 million rubles, and a Proton launch - about 5 million rubles.

        So what? For the Buran project, we created a super-heavy rocket Energia, which we planned to use not only (and not even so much) for Buran, but for the delivery of heavy cargo to the orbits of the Earth, the Moon, and so on. development of near-earth space.
        In general, for some reason you are comparing Buran with Proton, but you don't want to understand that space exploration on Proton does not end and consider the Buran / Energia program in the context of space development planned in the USSR. This is, to put it mildly, an erroneous approach, I as an economist tell you :)))
        1. sergo1914
          sergo1914 7 August 2020 08: 02
          +2
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          I am telling you as an economist :)))


          Something I'm confused. In this thread, you are an economist. In the other, a submarine developer. What is it like?

          And if on the topic. It will not be necessary to develop a new "Buran", but a new complex "Buran-Energia". Why is Rogozin talking only about the shuttle?
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 August 2020 10: 18
            0
            Quote: sergo1914
            Something I'm confused.

            These are not my problems
            Quote: sergo1914
            In this thread you are an economist.

            I'm not in "this thread", I'm an economist in my life
            Quote: sergo1914
            In the other, a submarine developer.

            In order not to be branded as a liar - quote the place where I declared myself as a PL developer.
            1. sergo1914
              sergo1914 7 August 2020 12: 05
              +2
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              In order not to be branded as a liar - quote the place where I declared myself as a PL developer.


              Where you hate project "Husky". Lazily copy-paste from topic to topic.
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 August 2020 15: 34
                0
                Quote: sergo1914
                Lazily copy-paste from topic to topic.

                No, not lazy. You just lie, but you have no confirmation
  • Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 7 August 2020 07: 05
    0
    Roscosmos has one problem - its leader. "As is the pop, so is the parish." S.P. Korolyov is probably turning over in his grave ...
    1. U-58
      U-58 8 August 2020 10: 18
      0
      It should be noted that the comparison between Rogozin and Korolev is incorrect.
      Korolev was the Chief Designer. But not the only one. It is appropriate to put Chelomey, Yangel, Bereznyak, Isaev, Bolkhovitinov, Glushko, Barmin, Pilyugin on a par with him ...
      I’m afraid I don’t remember the worthy ones at once. And there are very, very many of them.
      I can’t even find an analogue of Rogozin’s position in the USSR.
      Perhaps one can mention the Secretary of the Central Committee for defense issues L.I. Brezhnev and the ministers of the aviation industry and general mechanical engineering.
      So the comparison must be correct.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 7 August 2020 07: 06
    -6
    In Buran, the most important thing, I think, is the cargo compartment. There, in view of the latest statements from the United States, you can load various "sweets." It looks like a roasted rooster is pecking. , she will give birth in nine months anyway .. I understand that it is a long time. They said to do, I guess who said, it means to do it. Where ours did not propodalo. We must have time !!!
  • Alex66
    Alex66 7 August 2020 07: 07
    +4
    Nothing will come of it, a new Korolev is needed for Buran, and such a person will not be able to work under the leadership of Rogozin, he will simply devour him. The principle of a simple leader will not allow a subordinate to be smarter than himself. So Rogozin's level of competence limits the height of Roscosmos' tasks.
  • syndicalist
    syndicalist 7 August 2020 07: 08
    +9
    All Russian news of recent years begins with "instructed to develop."
  • Lontus
    Lontus 7 August 2020 07: 10
    0
    The Soviet designers understood that the idea of ​​a flawed and wretched rogue American shuttle was stupid - that practice was tough, with numerous human casualties, and showed.
    Unfortunately, they were unable to send three letters to their bosses in an attempt to get them to copy American crap.
    They resisted (Glushko has repeatedly stated that he will not do this stupid stupid garbage), but as a result they could not stand the political pressure.
    It made no sense to launch people into LEO on an almost 3000 ton carrier.
    But by abandoning TTU (and other flawed moments), the techies sabotaged the orders of the Andropysh who destroyed the country at least in some way.
    Rogozin apparently wants to repeat that collapse scheme again.
    1. Lontus
      Lontus 7 August 2020 07: 24
      0
      Quote: Lontus
      The Soviet designers understood that the idea of ​​a flawed and wretched rogue American shuttle was stupid - that practice was tough, with numerous human casualties, and showed.
      Unfortunately, they were unable to send three letters to their bosses in an attempt to get them to copy American crap.
      They resisted (Glushko has repeatedly stated that he will not do this stupid stupid garbage), but as a result they could not stand the political pressure.
      It made no sense to launch people into LEO on an almost 3000 ton carrier.
      But by abandoning TTU (and other flawed moments), the techies sabotaged the orders of the Andropysh who destroyed the country at least in some way.
      Rogozin apparently wants to repeat that collapse scheme again.

      like Andropov (who imitated an absurd "type of rigidity", but at the same time feeding up Russophobes and liberals) Ustinov imitated greatness and power with stupid projects that ate up a sea of ​​resources, in fact, ruining useful directions.
      From the same opera and Buran.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 7 August 2020 07: 54
      +6
      The shuttle had a unique compartment + the ability to go out and smoke the load right on the spot until it was operational.

      Hubble became possible only thanks to the Shuttle, and only thanks to the shuttle it was repaired, and not drowned in the Pacific Ocean.

      If the Shuttle flew today, then the saga with James Webb would be reduced by a couple of years and in money for a couple of shuttle launches. However, they are not there, so you have to be smart about automation and fit into the dimensions of the fairings.

      The shuttle actually began to slip even before the first disaster. The reason is microelectronics. The main load - military satellites began to lose weight from year to year. And suddenly no prelaunch service / assembly was required in orbit.
    3. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 7 August 2020 13: 42
      -2
      Quote: Lontus
      It made no sense to launch people into LEO on an almost 3000 ton carrier.

      Buran was created not so much to launch bulky cargo into orbit (this can be done on a single rocket as well), but to take it out of orbit and deliver to the ground the launched into space (and not necessarily its own cargo)
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  • Avior
    Avior 7 August 2020 07: 20
    +5
    With a gender-reassigned Federation that has become an Eagle, that's all.
    There will be Buran.
    Interestingly, Rogozin is aware of how much it cost?
    Even the Americans refused from shuttles because of the high cost, because their shuttles did not require a launch vehicle, like Buran, they were a launch vehicle in themselves.
    And to Buran also a launch vehicle is needed.
    Rogozin is aware that Buran was returned, shall we say, strongly partially? Or will they also do a separately returned launch vehicle for the new Buran?
    And the second question arises. And to which specific station was Rogozin going to fly on Buran?
    How long will the ISS hang? It is not infinite in terms of resource.
    And nobody else seems to do it.
    Everyone rushed to explore the moon. But Buran did not seem to fly to the moon.
    Maybe bring to mind first what you started?
    Or is it a project on the principle of Khoja Nasredin - for many years, or the donkey will die or the padishah?
    1. mikhailovich22
      mikhailovich22 7 August 2020 13: 57
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      Even the Americans refused from shuttles due to the high cost

      They didn't refuse. Probably Buran inspired them to
  • RUnnm
    RUnnm 7 August 2020 07: 21
    -1
    After what he did at Spetsstroy, it becomes very alarming for Roscosmos. And his eternal promises to do something, but not now, but somehow later, after eleven years, this anxiety only intensifies
  • Courier
    Courier 7 August 2020 07: 23
    0
    The head of Roskosmos said that for servicing orbital stations, the operation of the Orel (formerly Federation) spacecraft "will be expensive,"


    Rogozin just read Roman Skomorokhov wink
  • Erema
    Erema 7 August 2020 07: 30
    +3
    what Buran? almost all enterprises there, not to mention their connections, have sunk into oblivion, from scratch - a flag in their hands. At whose expense?
  • Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 7 August 2020 07: 30
    +1
    Another Project
  • Uncle Izya
    Uncle Izya 7 August 2020 07: 33
    -1
    This storyteller Rogozin
  • betta
    betta 7 August 2020 07: 34
    +3
    In my opinion, this is a form of containment of the Russian cosmonautics. Shuffling from one idea to another, without bringing anything to its logical conclusion. When will it be removed.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 7 August 2020 07: 35
    +3
    It's a good job to commission assignments, and to declare statements.
    1. 7,62h54
      7,62h54 7 August 2020 10: 27
      0
      And there is also such a shot, especially close to the body of the leader. So he wears everything that was invented in the Federation Council for a report or signature. And he gets huge bablishi for it. Those. Miratorg and Tuscan wineries cannot feed him.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 7 August 2020 07: 39
    +3
    Judging by our "successes" in space and these vacillations, there is no development plan at all in Roskosmos either for the near future or for the future.
  • thinker
    thinker 7 August 2020 07: 44
    +4
    Here the "duck" flew by and yeah ... yes
    11: 58, August 20 2015
    Roscosmos plans to create an analogue of the Soviet "Buran"
  • Voyager
    Voyager 7 August 2020 07: 55
    -13 qualifying.
    How much hate in the comments. Look sick at this barking. With such "support", we will never succeed in anything normally.

    And the most stupid thing is that now put at least someone in Rogozin's place, and that someone will still do everything wrong.
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 7 August 2020 08: 31
      +4
      Quote: Voyager
      now put at least someone in Rogozin's place, and this someone will still do everything wrong

      Not so, you dig finely. Rogozin does not run the show, he is a petty manager, you need to change from the very top. But they dug in reinforced concrete there and will not allow changes, that is, the revival of the state laughing
    2. Kart
      Kart 7 August 2020 08: 47
      -5
      Hatred is understandable, then they are comments. When you can shout anonymously, our people prefer to shout obscenities.
      Mentality, s.
      But to be honest, the news really looks like a fake.
      Now there is no money, no opportunities, and, most importantly, time to build an analogue of Buran.
  • Suslin
    Suslin 7 August 2020 07: 55
    0
    Something Mr. Rogozin rushes from project to project! It's time to choose the vector of direction for the development of cosmonautics! Something like this.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 7 August 2020 10: 24
      0
      Mr. Rogozin earns money for a comfortable old age, preferably somewhere in Switzerland. He doesn't need your space, so purely indulge in a TV camera.
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 7 August 2020 07: 56
    -1
    with the setting of tasks at our top, everything is in order, but with their implementation it is very bad
  • RusKosTen
    RusKosTen 7 August 2020 08: 02
    +5
    An analogue of Buran Buran to replace the Unions? Isn't Angara a replacement for the Unions? And the habitable module "Eagle" (aka "Federation") - not a replacement for the Unions? But no, Rogozin has too few replacements. But there is neither one nor the other, and there will be no wang, Buran # 2 either. For about 50 years, the good old Unions, modernized-re-modernized, will still fly, some "Soyuz 2MHVN3-5". We need to come up with something else to cut the diminishing budget, more, even more of all kinds of projects.
    1. slipped
      slipped 7 August 2020 11: 04
      0
      Quote: RusKosTen
      An analogue of Buran Buran to replace the Unions?


      The word "Buran" in the context of the interview was said allegorically. The RIA journalist changed everything in the hype.

      Quote: RusKosTen
      Isn't Angara a replacement for the Unions?


      Angara is a missile system. If you mean the Soyuz-2 launch vehicle, then no. KRK "Angara" replaces missiles "Cyclone" 2/3 and "Proton-M"

      Quote: RusKosTen
      And the habitable module "Eagle" (aka "Federation") - not a replacement for the Unions?


      The Oryol is a promising transport vehicle for deep space flights. No, he is not a "replacement for the Unions".
  • Angrybeard
    Angrybeard 7 August 2020 08: 18
    0
    It may not be on the side, but more miniature, in the head of the rocket. But the rocket will still be more serious than the Union, both in diameter and in the thrown mass. But on the other hand, the third stage is returnable. As I understand, they don't even think about other stages, technological stagnation since the times of the USSR.
    1. slipped
      slipped 7 August 2020 12: 19
      +3
      Quote: Angrybeard
      It may not be on the side, but more miniature, in the head of the rocket.


      Sure. There were similar projects before - for example, "Hermes" at ESA.



      Quote: Angrybeard
      But the rocket will still be more serious than the Union, both in diameter and in the thrown mass.


      Soyuz-6 has a diameter of 4,1 meters at the first stage, based on the somewhat shortened tanks of the Soyuz-5 rocket, and the second stage, which is new and relatively recently made, from Soyuz-2.1b. Something like this:



      Quote: Angrybeard
      But on the other hand, the third stage is returnable. As I understand, they don't even think about other stages, technological stagnation since the times of the USSR.


      Here it is not clear. Soyuz-LNG will be a fully reusable rocket.
  • jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 7 August 2020 08: 23
    0
    PR man. Except as words to rush nothing.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 7 August 2020 08: 28
    +6
    With the available heap of unfinished, incomplete work, to start something "new"! This is the highest class of stupidity / stupidity!
    Although, she's a fool, of course, she's a fool, but every day has her own triplets !!!
  • ont65
    ont65 7 August 2020 08: 28
    0
    Only the Union can be cheaper than the Union. - Time, funds for development and testing, a new carrier and all this fuss just for the modernization of a well-proven system that has sunk into oblivion for obvious reasons? And was he really given a couple of trillions for this case? The eagle, by the way, is declared as reusable. Not that? Need with wings or what? You, at least for a start, do this and master it properly.
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 7 August 2020 08: 37
    -1
    operation of the spacecraft "Oryol" (formerly "Federation") "will be expensive"

    Let me remind you that the American Shuttles turned out to be far from cheap to operate, although there was only a disposable fuel tank. For Buran, a separate and completely disposable super-heavy launch vehicle was required, which in any case would cost a lot of money (this despite the fact that Angara cannot be made at least at the price of Proton).
    And then, we already had a winged ship - this is now forgotten "Clipper" laughing
    In general, to speak is not to roll bags.
    (And in general, Russia, of course, is the leader in space, and devil Musk will be put to shame to the greater glory of God!)
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 7 August 2020 13: 50
      -1
      Quote: Narak-zempo
      For Buran, a separate and completely disposable super-heavy launch vehicle was required,

      The sides were planned to be reusable:
  • jeka424
    jeka424 7 August 2020 08: 42
    +2
    They will create for 50 years, and then freeze and say there is no money
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 7 August 2020 08: 47
    -1
    "Only a bribe, only vodka - our two steel braces, the rest are all ridiculous"
    Is that familiar?
  • pexotinec
    pexotinec 7 August 2020 09: 10
    0
    Again, he will ask for money for cutting, this Mr. Rogozin cannot bring anything to mind. It might be time to make way.
    1. senima56
      senima56 7 August 2020 12: 29
      -1
      It is high time! Have you not yet realized that this is the second "Vital Mudko"! fool
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 7 August 2020 09: 27
    -2
    Half of the country is digging a hole, the other half of the country falls asleep with it ..
    This music can be eternal ..
    After 30 years, you can stir up the third Buran .. then another .. and another ..
    In the cut ..
  • U-58
    U-58 7 August 2020 09: 52
    0
    NPO Molniya was bought by the Kalashnikov concern more than a year ago for unclear purposes. What is happening there and whether there is something and someone "there" is unknown.
    The Tushino plant is slowly but surely being wiped off the face of the earth to please Moscow developers.
    So where are we going to do ?.
    In an open field to hammer a peg and all from scratch ????
    1. U-58
      U-58 7 August 2020 10: 07
      +2
      If you need Burana or a new Lunokhod, please contact the Moscow Fan Plant))))
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 7 August 2020 10: 20
        -1
        Pass, this bomb advertisement was
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 August 2020 15: 24
      0
      In the same place where Vanguard was made and assembled - the topic is familiar to the guys.