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Rostec: a saw of the century or a percussion instrument?

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What is happening today in our military-industrial environment, we have recently criticized rather than awarded with applause. But what is constant is referring to what is happening in the largest state corporation. Rostec, the former Russian Technologies.


More precisely, the state corporation to promote the development, production and export of high-tech industrial products "Rostec". More than 700 organizations united in 14 holdings. There is even close no comparison with what was in the USSR. There, 5 ministries, 2 committees and 2 main directorates were engaged in this (the production of military and not so equipment).

And this begs the question: why was such a whopper created?

The question is wrong.

The question is not "why", but "when." The whole point is precisely in this question.

And Rostec was created in 2007. Vladimir Putin, Denis Manturov and Sergey Chemezov created the corporation. And, if you go to the official website of Rostec, then in the paragraph dedicated to the creation of the corporation, you can read the following words:

"The decision to create a state corporation was based on the desire to support the country's industrial complex in a difficult period and to make domestic enterprises competitive."

Difficult period - 2007 ... How do you like this sign?


The language cannot be called a difficult period, when the budget simply swelled up from petrodollars and cracked at the welds. And if it does, then I'm sorry, but what is happening now? In terms of quotes and income? Steep dive?

And the time of creation of "Rostec" falls on this period. When money was not just a lot. Lots of.

How, then, can one assess the statements made by Rossiyskaya Gazeta, the mouthpiece of the government? What about an average household income of $ 2700 per month, inflation reduction to 3% per year, 100 square meters housing for a family of three? Remember? And I remember. And yes, "by 2020, the country will get off the oil needle."

By the way, this is not taken from the ceiling, these are the so-called forecasts from the "Concept of socio-economic development of Russia until 2020".

So, is it a "hard time" or are we going all over the country?

Time has shown everything. Today, in the same 2020. And the fact that the housing issue was resolved by a few, the size of the average salary remained there, around $ 500 in the country, the pension was postponed for 5 years, the coronavirus and the fight against it finally finished off medium and small entrepreneurs. Beauty.

So if we talk about "hard times", then this is definitely not 2007.

But it was in this year that Rostec was formed in accordance with Putin's decree, and it was this year that Federal Law No. 270-FZ “On the State Corporation for Assisting the Development, Production and Export of High-Tech Industrial Products Rostec” appeared.

And off we go.

The most unpleasant thing is that enterprises, and what is there, entire industries that were quite profitable for themselves before the appearance of Rostec, suddenly somehow immediately (or almost immediately) became subsidized. The clearest example is helicopter construction.


Of course, now there will be those who will say that if Russian Helicopters had not poured 50 million of sponsorship support from Alla Pugacheva for concerts, then there would have been no financial problems.

I agree. But it's not about giving money to Pugacheva. More precisely, not only in this. The point is a principled approach to all industries. The situation is not the best everywhere, not only with helicopters.

Since there is a choice, I would use it to talk about engines. With the engine building we have "complete order", that is, everything is very bad. This applies to both marine and aircraft engine building. Destroyers and frigates are waiting for "import substitution", which happened, judging by the joyful reports, only the engines did not appear from this at all.

And the Chinese diesels on "modern" strike ships look absolutely shameful. And they work in much the same way.

But we have already spoken about marine engines more than once, and here, apparently, it is simply impossible to do something meaningful. Diesel engines for large ships sank along with Ukraine, and starting from scratch their development and production ... Well, not that country a little.

In respect aviation engines are all in the spirit of the times. One could start with the engine for the Su-57, but they should finish. And to start, returning to the 90s of the last century, with the PS-90A engine, which was planned as an engine for the main liners of the 21st century - Il-96 and Tu-204.

The engine was not only at the world level, it surpassed many world analogues by a head, or even two. Yes, there were childhood illnesses, but who did not? All this is brought to mind all over the world.

However, the "effective managers" did not like the PS-90A. For two reasons, the first of which was the very fact of having an engine as such.

Sounds strange, doesn't it?

Nevertheless, through the prayers of Mr. Mostovoy, the production of the engine was stopped and resumed in single copies for the special unit "Russia". So the only place where there are aircraft using this engine is "Russia". Il-96, Tu-204 and Tu-214 with PS-90A are still flying there. In other places - alas.


Meanwhile, the Vladivostok-Avia airline simply perfectly operated the Tu-204-300 on the Vladivostok-Moscow and Vladivostok-St. Petersburg routes WITHOUT LANDING.

But it is not in our country that this can happen with impunity. As a result, Aeroflot bought a controlling stake in the company and ... instantly Vladivostok-Avia began to incur losses. Tu-204s were sold to Koreans, and the company was closed. And Aeroflot began to use Airbus A300s on its Far Eastern flights.

Here lies the answer to the question, what prevented the PS-90A and the modifications that followed. Precisely by its existence. After all, neither Perm Motors, nor the Tupolev or Ilyushin Design Bureau will roll back as much as they pay for their used Boeing and Airbus planes. It is generally known as it were.

Therefore, neither the Tu-204 nor the Il-96 with Russian engines are needed. More precisely, they are needed, but not for those who do it. Because the factories are standing, and we fly on the western rags. The reality of the day, so to speak ...

In the military sphere, things are no better.

Someone, perhaps, will say that the Kuznetsov SNTK is not the best design bureau in the country? Not? Indeed, this is the coolest design bureau in the USSR and subsequently in the CIS to create engines with a capital letter. And if you call Nikolai Dmitrievich Kuznetsov as a designer, then always with the prefix "great".

And the turboprop engine NK-12 (its continuation NK-16) created within the walls of the OKB is the fastest and most powerful motor in the world. Until now, since 1954. Having matured from 12 to 000 horsepower, the Kuznetsov engine still carries the Tu-16.

Yes, this is not the quietest engine. Fact. But fast, strong and - very importantly - economical. And that the Tu-95 is one of the loudest planes in the world, so the "Bear" does not care about it from the height at which it flies.


On the basis of NK-12, the Kuznetsovites created a very interesting turboprop-fan (TVVD) engine NK-93. In 2007 (coincidence?), These motors were installed in the IL-76LL laboratory and received simply excellent results in terms of power, speed, efficiency and noise.


Yes, the NK-93, like all TVVDs, turned out to be of considerable size: the fan diameter was 2,9 m.However, it could and should have been used on the Il-76MD-90A, Il-96-400M, Tu-330 aircraft (if it went into series). The large size of the engine is not so critical, for comparison - the same "Boeing-777" flies with a 3,5-meter HPT, and nothing.

But no.

The designers of the Kuznetsov SNTK could not know, and it is not their business, that the NK-93 verdict had already been signed. Our "efficient" managers had already organized UEC, the United Engine Corporation, which was completely uninterested in the new finished engine.

It's impossible to master the budget on it, right?

People began to forget about the Il-76 and Il-96, it was somehow not even accepted to speak aloud about the developments of the Tupolev Design Bureau, but on everyone's lips and screens there was a "completely Russian", "not having ..." MS-21.


And the gallant managers quickly refused the NK-93, because for the MS-21 it seemed too large in size.

Of course, a big engine is a problem. And it can be solved either by increasing the length of the landing gear, or by transferring the engines to the tail section. Both ways are quite solvable, there would be a desire.

The desire was there. Master the budget. The revision for modern realities of the NK-93 required only 1,5 billion rubles. But no, they decided to put the engine in the archive, freeze it and spend 80 billion on the creation of PD-14.

Nobody says that the PD-14 Perm engine is bad. It's just more expensive (394 million rubles versus 293 for the NK-93), louder (turbojets make more noise than the high-pressure engine), more voracious (0,54 kg / kgf • h versus 0,49 for the NK-93), less environmentally friendly than the engine from Samara.

But I repeat, you can't master a lot from the budget on a ready-made Soviet-developed engine. And so the topic of NK-93 is closed.

You know, it reminds me of another incident from the past. We had such a very promising aircraft, the Yak-141.


A very nice plane. In April 1991, test pilot Andrey Sinitsyn set 12 world records on the Yak in terms of climb rate, maximum load and flight altitude with a load.

However, in the conditions of not the best state of the economy, the Yak-41 was shelved, and then sold to the Americans who were at a standstill with their F-35. As a result, the F-35 flies ...


Who will guarantee that the NK-93 will not sail in the West after a while? And I would not give such a guarantee. Much "unnecessary" goes there.

And we will work with PD-14. From the very beginning, like with the Superjet. And perhaps with the same degree of success.

It's not even worth talking about the MC-21 yet, because an aircraft that does not yet have a wing is not an aircraft at all. For those who do not know: the Achilles' heel for the MS-21 was the very composite wing, which the Americans abandoned. Too risky, you know, for passenger planes. Now we were denied composites, because the sanctions, and they have been trying to find their own mixture for two years in Voronezh, and so far the results are so-so.

As a result, maybe at the end of 2020 (I will emphasize in bold “maybe”) we will get an engine that is nothing, well, really, nothing better than the PS-90A and NK-93 developed in the USSR. But the type is completely "own".

And NK-93 will easily surface in a few years somewhere in the West or (even more likely) in the East.

And more about PD-14. More precisely, about its helicopter version, which is also in the plans. And let's smoothly move on to the conversation about helicopter engines.

Actually, PD-12, which is an alteration of PD-14 for the needs of helicopter pilots, is a very topical thing. We have a Mi-26 helicopter, a heavy and transport one. And there are no engines for it. More precisely, they seem to exist, but not for us, because these are Ukrainian D-136s. You don't have to go further. PD-12 is very necessary, but ...

But there are no engines for the Mi-26 yet.

Farther. Then we have VK-2500, aka TVZ-117.


TVZ-117 is a motor developed by the Klimov Design Bureau, but produced all its life in Zaporozhye, at Motor Sich. This is the heart for almost all Russian helicopters: Ka-50, Ka-52, Ka-27, Ka-28, Ka-32, Mi-8, Mi-24.

And here not everything is beautiful here.

Yes, in St. Petersburg it seems that they were able to localize the production of motors and establish the production of VK-2500. The only question is at what price and in what quantities.

In 2015, Rostec, through the mouth of CEO Sergei Chemezov, solemnly announced the complete import substitution of our main TV3-117 helicopter engines. Chemezov promised that by 2017, OEC-Klimov will produce 350 engines per year. However, as often happens with us, the words turned out to be words.

In 2014, Klimov assembled the first 10 engines entirely from Russian components. In 2015 - 30. In 2016 - 60. In 2017 - 100. In 2018 - 130. In 2019 - 200.

The Aerospace Forces alone (excluding naval aviation and civil aviation) have over a thousand helicopters. And they, helicopters, have two such engines. If we take into account the fact that engines are needed for replacement after the end of their service life, for the production of new helicopters, for overhauls, for the fulfillment of foreign contracts for the supply of helicopters and the same repairs ...

And in the best case - 100 car sets per year. Here you can also lose the foreign market. God bless him, as they say, but if your own aviation gets up ... It will be ugly.

And if you consider what they say, much of the Klimovsk engines is still Ukrainian ...

And then how to believe Chemezov about a bright future and "we will win all"?

And if you remember that the Ka-62, which is boasted at forums and exhibitions, flies on French engines ... By the way, the same applies to the Ka-226.


"Ansat", which is also from the same opera, modern, multipurpose and all that - on American motors. Yes, there are plans to replace American engines with domestic VK-800, but these are only plans, because VK-800V, which could replace imported engines on Ansat and Ka-226, was developed by OJSC Klimov “on an initiative basis and for company account ".

I hope there is no need to explain what this means?

The same is true with regard to the VK-650V, which is promisingly developed specifically for the Ka-226. No engines will be expected soon. Simply because the VK-800 and VK-650 are Soviet developments originally from the 80s of the last century. Back in the 800s, VK-90 was proposed for the Mi-54 project, which was closed in 2011.

As for the VK-650, even last year, the general designer of the UEC, Yuri Shmotin, said that "work on the creation of the VK-650 was initiated." That is, just a few years - and the engine project will probably be largely implemented.

Sounds ...

By the way, the same Shmotin spoke about the start of work on a new engine for the Superjet, since it finally dawned on the UEC that the French would not sell more engine components. And not because sanctions and harm. Because the engine is unprofitable, which is used only in one model, which is not produced in the largest series. Well, the sanctions are also involved.

But since the SaM146 is the fruit of joint cooperation with the French (hello, Mistrals!), It is clear that there will be no engines.

By the way, on the same website of the UEC you can see news on work on the PD-35 engine. Increased PD-14 for some obscure "promising wide-body aircraft." What kind of planes are these is completely incomprehensible.

It is only clear that the declared diameter of the PD-35 is 3100 mm. And here a complete misunderstanding begins. NK-93, ready and practically debugged, having passed flight tests in a flying laboratory, did not find application, since it was very large. Diameter 2900 mm. And the small and compact PD-35 with a diameter of 3100 mm is in great demand, since time and money will be spent on its development.

It's strange. There is a ready-made engine, the performance characteristics of which can be further improved by means of modern composite materials, although they are already better than those of PD-14, but no, Rostec is going its own way. And NK-93 is put aside, and resources, time, money will be spent on another engine.

One gets the impression that at Rostec, the main task is to imitate the process and use budget funds, and not work for results.

700 enterprises. Tens of thousands of employees. Thousands of effective managers and leaders. This is one side. But there is also a second one. This is no result. These are docked ships. No motors. These are planes and helicopters waiting in the wings.

It is worth briefly speaking here about the engine for the Su-57, with which the plane should become a real one, and not a paper fighter of the fifth generation. But ... Work is underway, but the results are somewhere not close.

I would not like to do this, but I cannot but cite as an example the defense industry of Ukraine, which has been “destroyed and buried” more than once. And there, oddly enough, there are motors. In significantly worse conditions, Motor Sich JSC has created a new modification of TV3-117 with an electric launch generally accepted in the world instead of the APU and a significantly increased resource. TV3-117VMA-SBM1V 4E. Long, but like that.

The neighbors can also boast of a new AI-450M engine for the modernized Mi-2. Is it funny? Not. Both motors are in high demand. In China. It's probably not so funny now. Motor Sich lives only due to the fact that helicopters should fly in China. So far it turns out.

By the way, our "miracle engine" TV7-117V, on which the Mi-38 will fly, is just an alteration into the TV7-117S helicopter engine, on which the Il-1990 flew back in 114 ... Considering the recent incident with an emergency landing in Gzhel it is due to the fault of one of the engines, there, too, not everything is smooth and smooth. And there were a lot of victorious reports ...


More and more, the idea is taking root in my head that a corporation that has absorbed the resources of five ministries is actually not so much aiming at the development and production of new technology as simply spending money.

After all, the longer the project goes on, the longer you can request funding, the more budget funds you can use. Developing, modifying, finishing.

But in fact "Armata" is not needed. The T-72 will cope with the tasks facing the MBT. Su-57? But there is the Su-35, which is no worse, but cheaper. IL-96? But there is a used Boeing or Airbus, for which they will also pay extra ...

But it is necessary to create. To finish off the old Soviet developments, because there is simply nowhere to take new ones, and at the same time master the budget.

If this cannot be called the term "well settled", then I do not know at all how it can be called.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 7 August 2020 05: 44
    +2
    Rostec: a saw of the century or a percussion instrument?
    "And the smithy, and the granary, and the health resort. As I understand it, right? (Prisoner of the Caucasus)
    1. Nehist
      Nehist 7 August 2020 05: 55
      21
      From the smithy there is not enough ... But the Granary and the Health resort are still some !!! But not for everyone
      1. marchcat
        marchcat 7 August 2020 06: 26
        23
        There is a lot of work for the FSB and the Prosecutor General's Office, only it looks like "they" are also listed in this holding.
        1. Varyag71
          Varyag71 7 August 2020 08: 54
          +8
          These bureaus have long discredited themselves.
      2. _Sergei_
        _Sergei_ 7 August 2020 06: 47
        15
        Our plant was down on its own, like it went under Rostec, then the money appeared. They began to repair the BMP, new machines appeared and the workers' salaries were not bad.
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 7 August 2020 11: 17
        0
        Quote: Nehist
        From the smithy there is not enough ... But the Granary and the Health resort are still some !!! But not for everyone

        When all sorts of businessmen, managers and bankers become at the helm, they will least of all think about the interests of the people and the country.
        And all decisions are based on the need to secure YOUR personal well-fed life. Vaughn Rogozin remembered Buran ... it dawned on the manager. Why not? Why not 10 years ago? Yes, for this we need to remember the second purpose of Buran, which was put into it (and for me the first and main one), this is a space bomber. So Rogozin remembered about Buran, as it became necessary to secure his cheese and butter and pipes with gas, etc.
        1. Atlas
          Atlas 7 August 2020 12: 32
          +9
          Quote: NEXUS
          So I remembered Rogozin

          He didn't remember himself. I think he was helped to remember from the General Staff.
    2. Civil
      Civil 7 August 2020 08: 54
      +4
      1. Rostec was needed at the stage of saving the scattered defense industry. It is indisputable that we had to take it away from foreign (former our) owners.
      2. However, this is a very high-tech industry and therefore money should be poured into it in trillions, and not into the banking sector swelling with superprofits. Like the EU and the US.
      3. But without super-powerful control over budget funds, it will be like with banks - everyone will merge abroad.
      4. But, strong control will curtail research, which means that research should be brought to an open platform with the involvement of talent. But no one can accept this.
  2. nemez
    nemez 7 August 2020 06: 01
    11
    I myself work in the defense industry. Before joining Rostec, it was more or less.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 7 August 2020 10: 58
      +3
      Quote: nemez
      I myself work in the defense industry. Before joining Rostec, it was more or less.

      Where Rostec, Roskosmos appears, optimization begins with terrible force. Plus, the management changes, which, apart from optimization, can do nothing. But commission after commission goes by and everywhere there are instructions on how to work.
      1. Atlas
        Atlas 7 August 2020 12: 51
        +6
        Quote: Pilat2009
        Plus, the management is changing, which, apart from optimization, can do nothing.

        The main task of the current "successful managers" is the optimization of any industry. They were given such a task. Therefore, people are appointed in different industries who do not understand anything in this sector, but know how to "optimize".
  3. alma
    alma 7 August 2020 06: 06
    15
    Someone needed to transfer entire industries to their people. Naturally, under a plausible pretext.
    1. AUL
      AUL 7 August 2020 06: 49
      19
      The country does not need Rostec, but Lavrenty Beria! am And more cartridges ...
      1. Kalmar
        Kalmar 7 August 2020 08: 23
        +8
        Quote: AUL
        The country does not need Rostec, but Lavrenty Beria! And more cartridges ..

        Alas, what is described in the article is not the personal achievements of individual pests, but a systemic phenomenon that can be observed in almost all areas of the Russian economy. And the new potential "Beria" is likely to be another member of the gang, whose main efforts will be focused on fighting all sorts of dissent, while the "right guys" continue to cut and roll at a shock pace.
        1. AUL
          AUL 7 August 2020 08: 48
          0
          Quote: Kalmar
          Alas, what is described in the article is not the personal achievements of individual pests, but a systemic phenomenon that can be observed in almost all areas of the Russian economy.

          IMHO, this is not sabotage for the sake of sabotage. Business, and nothing personal, as they say. For the sake of profit and organized these "sawing factories" and not for political reasons!
          1. Kalmar
            Kalmar 7 August 2020 08: 52
            +5
            Quote: AUL
            IMHO, this is not sabotage for the sake of sabotage. Business, and nothing personal, as they say.

            Of course. The parasite has no purpose to ruin the host organism, only to devour more and multiply more actively. The harm it causes is just a side effect. However, this does not make it easier for the owner.
            1. Atlas
              Atlas 7 August 2020 12: 53
              +8
              Quote: Kalmar
              However, this does not make it easier for the owner.

              Has the "owner" invested money in the industry? Or did the "owner" get it easily? And who is the "master"
              1. Kalmar
                Kalmar 7 August 2020 14: 04
                +2
                Quote: Atlas
                Has the "owner" invested money in the industry? Or did the "owner" get it easily? And who is the "master"

                The host is the organism in which the indicated parasite has wound up. In this case, the state (and, as a consequence, the population) as a subject of economic relations can be considered as such.
            2. zenion
              zenion 7 August 2020 17: 28
              +2
              This is not just a parasite that you need to get rid of - it is cancer that has engulfed the entire body and does not care about the body, because its task is to finish off the body. Neither surgery nor radiation will help here. The system needs to be changed, and cancer patients should be sent to fresh air and cut off, and everything affected by metastases should be thrown out.
        2. nickname7
          nickname7 9 August 2020 15: 47
          +2
          In the video: "Russian Federation of Parasites"
          Melnichenko spoke about the peculiarity of the national bureaucratic apparatus. The state allocated 100 yards to the equity holders for the fund and it turned out that the fund spent 86% on itself, 86 yards out of a hundred, were paid to employees in the form of salaries, under 400 thousand rubles a month, salaries. And the number of defrauded real estate investors only increased ...
          The same is everywhere in agriculture and space. The system has degenerated into a parasitic one, it is already a threat to national security.
          It is necessary to approve the tariff scale of salaries in state motors, to prohibit unlimited salaries. To dismiss officials for failures without the right to occupy positions, punish fines and reprimands for the negligence of Shinushi. Thieves should be imprisoned with complete confiscation of family property.
      2. parusnik
        parusnik 7 August 2020 08: 36
        11
        Beria, not only shot, but also organized the work ... The atomic project, for example ...
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 7 August 2020 08: 49
          +3
          Quote: parusnik
          Beria, not only shot, but also organized the work ... The atomic project, for example ...

          I do not argue. But here we need some kind of turbo-Beria, who would organize the work "for the result" (to get things done) and ensure the rollback rate to interested parties (otherwise, as shown in the article, all his projects will be shut down). I'm not sure if this is possible in principle.
          1. Atlas
            Atlas 7 August 2020 12: 54
            11
            Quote: Kalmar
            I'm not sure if this is possible in principle.

            Perhaps, but only if the current political system is changed.
        2. Dmitry V.
          Dmitry V. 10 August 2020 14: 20
          0
          Quote: parusnik
          Beria, not only shot, but also organized the work ... The atomic project, for example ...

          Yeah - called, scared.
          Yes, even there was no need to intimidate - from one call people understood what they were threatened with by non-fulfillment or missed deadlines.
          The reactor was brought to its minimum power, and on June 19, 1948 at 20:00 already at a nominal power of 100 megawatts. This was immediately reported to Beria and Stalin. But already on June 20, 1948 at 12:50 the reactor was shut down. ... At the first increase in power, a "" was formed in the reactor!
          Beria was interested in when the reactor will produce plutonium? There was no answer. The time was ominous. Igor Vasilyevich's "noose around his neck" was "tightened" to the limit. Igor Vasilyevich could not get advice from anyone.

          And at the lecture, Lavrenty Pavlovich asked Igor Vasilyevich: "Why do you always have a breakdown in the production of plutonium, and at least once it happened that the production would increase?" There was no answer, Igor Vasilyevich had to be silent. "The loop was tightened," it was difficult to breathe. There were no guilty ones again. " “The exposure of personnel was growing.

          Remembers B.V. Brokhovich:
          Kurchatov examined the cell. At his command, the goat was blocked by channels with water, after which he and Zavenyagin increased the power. (Yes, together! The responsibility was not shared. And who should I ask? Beria? Stalin? There was no other way out.

          clearing of the cell continued. Until June 30! As the operation progressed, it became clear that the "Annushka" (so with the light hand of E.P. Slavsky began to call the object "A", or "boiler") lacks reactivity. The additional loading did not help either - the reactor stopped.

          It turned out that there is an electrochemical corrosion of technological pipes. By the end of 1948, the process became widespread, and the water cooling the uranium blocks began to get into the graphite stack, the reactor stalled and stopped. Since it was not possible to put new pipes on the pillars of the blocks in the reactor, they acted in accordance with the decision that Kurchatov and Zavenyagin made jointly: first, they removed the uranium blocks with suction cups, then installed new, more resistant anodized pipes and, having previously calibrated the extracted active blocks (there was no reserve was - there was no uranium ore), they were loaded again

          The active units were calibrated personally by Kurchatov - having received overexposure.
          Although blocks with relatively low activity were used for calibration, the "cut according to A.P. Zavenyagin" cost the personnel almost 1000 roentgens (but not more than a hundred per person), and the work itself lasted 66 days. I.V. was also heavily irradiated. Kurchatov "

          Efim Pavlovich Slavsky
          ... That night Kurchatov himself was on duty in the reactor hall. I had to check and upload fresh blocks. Igor Vasilyevich, sitting at the table, examined them through a magnifying glass (checked for damaged ones) and sorted them. And the alarm was arranged in such a way that if the radioactivity became more than the prescribed norm, then the calls would be heard. In addition, the sound signaling was duplicated by the light one - different bulbs came on. But since the "radioactive muck" was great, we, of course, turned off these very bells and "turned off" the light alarm. And then suddenly it caught fire. The ionization chamber was instantly delivered and found that in the very place where Kurchatov was sitting, on his table, there were powerfully irradiated blocks. If he sat there until he sorted them all out, then he could have died


          This is the price of Beria's "leadership" when the scientist has no choice, death from overexposure or in Beria's dungeons.
          Kurchatov chose the first.
      3. Pirate
        Pirate 7 August 2020 09: 01
        +5
        And how is it all over the world cope without murderers?
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 7 August 2020 12: 17
          +2
          Quote: Pirate
          And how is it all over the world cope without murderers?

          All over the world, they make products that they buy. Made a diesel plant, got money. For us, it seems to work differently. Only for housing and communal services and energy carriers can they raise tariffs. And the fact that the price of gas fell, generating companies forgot
          1. Pirate
            Pirate 7 August 2020 13: 29
            +2
            And what follows from this, the shootings will somehow affect the sale of products? request
          2. nickname7
            nickname7 9 August 2020 16: 00
            +1
            There is really no market in the Russian Federation, but there are oil revenues, which, through imitation of activities, are put into their pockets, through cunning schemes.
            Here is some recent news: the prosecutor's office is trying to confiscate 32 yards of rubles from Minister Abyzov. There is nowhere to stamp this Abyzov, he seems to have organized a laundry service to launder the stolen money. If you stole it, please contact Abyzov, he will help to clean it.
            There are many thieves around the guarantor, he is just like the king of thieves.
      4. paul3390
        paul3390 7 August 2020 09: 48
        +1
        The country needs a new Joseph Vissarionovich and socialism! For under the main paradigm of capitalism - gaining dough as much as possible at any cost, Russia will be stupidly sold to any buyer, moreover - together with us. What is happening now under the wise leadership of the adored guarantor .. As a protege of big capital.
        1. Atlas
          Atlas 7 August 2020 12: 59
          +4
          Quote: paul3390
          The country needs a new Joseph Vissarionovich and socialism!

          There will be no new Stalin. Personalities like Stalin are born once every two hundred years. We need a man of action at the head of the state who can return Russia from the capitalist track to the Soviet path of development.
        2. nickname7
          nickname7 9 August 2020 16: 05
          -1
          You have idealistic ideas about Stalin as a magician who can solve any problems. Stalin is primarily the leader of the times of the crisis and the civil war, just like Churchill. In peacetime, such figures are suitable.
  4. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 7 August 2020 06: 13
    -21 qualifying.
    And the fact that the housing issue has been resolved by a few by 2020 is sorry, but complete nonsense. the number of mortgages issued annually is estimated at millions. 18 year 1472000 year 19 is stupid for example. and these are not people, they are families. I cannot calculate how many people have decided the housing issue.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 7 August 2020 06: 41
      +3
      by 2020, I'm sorry but complete nonsense. the number of mortgages issued annually is estimated at millions. 18 year 1472000 year 19 is stupid for example. and these are not people, they are families. I cannot calculate how many people have decided the housing issue.
      .... It's true, how great everything is with mortgages, and the author is annoying with Rostec ... they say how bad everything is there ... smile
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 7 August 2020 06: 43
        -15 qualifying.
        not at all. I just do not like it when they say not very truthful things. and it caught my eye
        1. krops777
          krops777 7 August 2020 07: 51
          -12 qualifying.
          not at all. I just do not like it when they say not very truthful things. and it caught my eye


          And they always did not notice that the articles were one-sided in this the author clearly succeeded.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 7 August 2020 08: 39
            +8
            Quote: krops777
            And they always did not notice that the articles were one-sided in this the author clearly succeeded.

            How are they one-sided? In truthfulness? Well, yes, the truth of life it is, everyone does not like it, but this is how everything is arranged in Russia. Add, what would not be so one-sided?
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 7 August 2020 10: 32
              +1
              Quote: Svarog
              In truthfulness?

              Where did you find the truth? In the article about gas pipelines?))))) Where are the incorrect figures for their cost given intentionally or not? Or did you find the truth in these loves:
              The most unpleasant thing is that enterprises, and what is there, entire industries that were quite profitable for themselves before the appearance of Rostec, suddenly somehow immediately (or almost immediately) became subsidized. The clearest example is helicopter construction.
              Why did the author suddenly get the idea that Russian Helicopters is a subsidized company with a net profit of 40 billion rubles?
      2. Atlas
        Atlas 7 August 2020 13: 03
        +7
        Quote: parusnik
        Here's the truth, how great everything is with mortgages

        Indeed, people were "voluntarily" driven into credit slavery, people get mortgage apartments, and we all complain smile
    2. Escobar
      Escobar 7 August 2020 07: 23
      12
      And when will they pay them? The housing issue is resolved when a mortgage is issued at a bank.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 7 August 2020 07: 52
        -12 qualifying.
        you don't supposedly live there? up to this point?)
        1. Roman123567
          Roman123567 7 August 2020 10: 31
          +3
          you don't supposedly live there? up to this point?)

          Exactly..
          We don't live !! And we live ..
          Those who have come across a mortgage know very well what it is like .. "to live" for years, denying oneself any little thing ..
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 7 August 2020 11: 32
            -5
            I pay the second. and you know how that survived in this terrible situation.
            1. Atlas
              Atlas 7 August 2020 13: 05
              13
              Quote: carstorm 11
              I cry the second

              Yes, even the tenth. You cannot judge people by yourself. Everyone has different incomes and opportunities.
              1. Pilat2009
                Pilat2009 7 August 2020 13: 20
                0
                Quote: Atlas
                Quote: carstorm 11
                I cry the second

                Yes, even the tenth. You cannot judge people by yourself. Everyone has different incomes and opportunities.

                That is why who can take, who can not take it. But the fact that the housing issue has moved is a fact, construction has received an impulse, too, a fact. My wife and I want to take two studios on a mortgage. Start tenants and let them pay. We will just beat off the pension.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 7 August 2020 13: 50
                  -5
                  it's a smart approach) my friends do it too. they take apartments to the youth team and rent them out. and the investment for the future will also be repulsed.
    3. Kalmar
      Kalmar 7 August 2020 08: 27
      +6
      Quote: carstorm 11
      And the fact that the housing issue has been resolved by a few by 2020 is sorry, but complete nonsense. the number of mortgages issued annually is in the millions

      I support uv. Escobar: mortgage is not really a solution to the housing issue, but rather its "smearing" for 10-15-20 years. And in the conditions of stable instability of the Russian economy, such a "decision" is fraught with many risks (remember, for example, foreign exchange mortgage holders). We also do not forget about the quality of housing: if a family of three or four people huddles in a mortgage apartment, can this be considered a resolved housing issue?
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 7 August 2020 08: 33
        -12 qualifying.
        exactly. and therefore hundreds of thousands and millions of them are given out annually to people) they do not solve their problem. they are engaged in a hogwash. you have another option to rent a house) to give money to an unfamiliar aunt every month. or you can live with your mother until you retire. who wants to, he decides. and I repeat, there are millions of such people. apparently in your opinion they had to live with their mothers and wait for the weather from the sea) each person builds his own life. someone is waiting and someone is doing.
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 7 August 2020 08: 57
          +1
          Quote: carstorm 11
          and therefore hundreds of thousands and millions of them are given out annually to people) they do not solve their problem. they do bullshit

          You are not reading carefully. They decide, yes, but the issue becomes finally resolved only after the payment of the mortgage. Until then, repayment of the loan will eat up a significant part of the family budget, which, against the background of negative growth in household income, has a significant impact on the quality of life. However, they still take it, of course (I did it myself in due time), because there are often simply no alternatives.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 7 August 2020 09: 01
            -5
            carefully. the issue is resolved by purchasing and living in this apartment. housing issue is that you have nowhere to live in fact. you have housing for which you simply pay money. the issue of ownership is so-so because, for example, getting an office housing for example also does not give you the right of ownership. but decides the issue of residence.
        2. parusnik
          parusnik 7 August 2020 09: 52
          +4
          Tell me, what is the relation of the mortgage, the housing issue that you raised is related to the article? If the author is wrong, refute. No, you found the topic about the housing issue in the article and away we go ... But in essence, what can you write ... on the main text, what is wrong?
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 7 August 2020 09: 54
            -3
            I already answered like you. noticed frank delirium and could not pass by.
            1. parusnik
              parusnik 7 August 2020 10: 10
              +3
              This "nonsense" in the context of the article does not reveal the main topic ... and, in principle, does not affect .. As I understand it, do you agree with the rest of the article? ..
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 7 August 2020 10: 12
                -3
                I have little initial data. if you judge purely by the words of the author and trust them, yes. but I do not know how, and for this reason I sit reading. I generally do not consider normal such monsters as state corporations. it is a slow and voracious mastodon that a priori cannot develop correctly. and in general to develop. but this is a military-industrial complex and there are too many nuances.
              2. nickname7
                nickname7 9 August 2020 16: 11
                +1
                Nothing is nonsense. The guarantor argued that Rostec was created in difficult times, but in fact these were fat times, petrodollars rained down. The conclusion is that Rostec was created for cutting.
        3. Roman123567
          Roman123567 7 August 2020 10: 35
          +3
          they do not solve their question. they do bullshit

          who wants to decide

          Hospadi .. What a mess in my head ..
          The same millions are rented from an aunt .. because they do not pull a mortgage .. and many live with mothers not from a good life !!
          Selling a kidney can also be called a solution to the problem.
          But not everyone understands how such "solutions" of the question turn out ...
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 7 August 2020 10: 43
            -2
            but somewhere else? you have a tool. you either use it or not. for example, among my friends there are no people who rent an apartment. everyone took or are going to take a mortgage. because they don't want to pay someone just like that. Wouldn't it be better to give the same 30 hayms a month for your own and not strangers? With regard to withdrawing millions, I will repeat - over the past year, 1269000 mortgage loans were taken in the country. in 18 years more than 1.4 million. these are not lonely people, but almost always families. how many people have improved their living conditions? 2 million? three millions? and this every year. people live. people are trying people are trying. the author says that there are only a few. so before you judge me carefully read what they write and then criticize.
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      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 7 August 2020 11: 12
        +4
        Quote: Kalmar
        I support uv. Eskobar: mortgage is not really a solution to the housing issue, but rather its "smearing" for 10-15-20 years.

        Mortgage is not a solution to the housing issue, but a SCAM at the state level. And here you sit discussing interest, payments, ... while not even realizing that you are being robbed stupidly. What the hell is a mortgage? In the USSR, the housing issue was solved, giving citizens housing free of charge. That state did not rob its people.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 7 August 2020 11: 40
          -3
          Are you satisfied with waiting for years? I personally do not. my parents lived like this and I don't want to repeat it. mortgage is a tool. you can either use it or not. my personal opinion is very convenient. of course I would like it cheaper but there is no time to wait
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 7 August 2020 11: 43
            +1
            Quote: carstorm 11
            Are you satisfied with waiting for years? I personally do not

            Are you satisfied with the fact that at any moment a person from the bank will come and tell you to get out of your apartment, as it were, because it’s not yours stupidly? What nonsense are you writing about?
            They put you, forgive me with cancer, but you are still looking for advantages in this.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 7 August 2020 12: 02
              -4
              firstly, this is possible only if you do not pay for a long time. you probably do not quite understand what a mortgage is, so you say sorry nonsense. the bank cannot evict you because the apartment is yours. but is in his pledge. to evict you, you need at least a court decision. for this you need to violate the contract. believe me. I pay the second.
      3. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 7 August 2020 13: 24
        +1
        Quote: Kalmar
        Quote: carstorm 11
        And the fact that the housing issue has been resolved by a few by 2020 is sorry, but complete nonsense. the number of mortgages issued annually is in the millions

        I support uv. Escobar: mortgage is not really a solution to the housing issue, but rather its "smearing" for 10-15-20 years. And in the conditions of stable instability of the Russian economy, such a "decision" is fraught with many risks (remember, for example, foreign exchange mortgage holders). We also do not forget about the quality of housing: if a family of three or four people huddles in a mortgage apartment, can this be considered a resolved housing issue?

        These three people rent an apartment for the same money, if not more. In Moscow, my daughter and her husband rented a one-room apartment for 30, and took a mortgage for 20
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 7 August 2020 14: 07
          0
          Quote: Pilat2009
          These three people rent an apartment for the same money, if not more. In Moscow, my daughter and her husband rented a one-room apartment for 30, and took a mortgage for 20

          I agree that conditionally own housing is better than not your own at all. But, again, it is quite difficult to consider mortgages as a solution to the housing issue in the current economic situation.
    4. trophy
      trophy 7 August 2020 10: 01
      +9
      That is, living in an apartment owned by a bank for 25 years, paying from 25 to 60% of the total family income, and even ultimately overpaying 70% of the cost, is this called solving the housing problem? Masterpiece. And God forbid that with one of the borrowers or family members, an accident, job loss or some other difficult situation. And the resolved housing issue will rise to its full height and sparkle with new colors. Mortgages are not a solution to the issue, but just another relatively honest way of taking money from citizens. People are artificially placed in conditions under which they are forced to take out a loan, there are no other options, well, or build a house from cardboard boxes, but Africa is not overboard, it is cold in winter.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 7 August 2020 10: 04
        -7
        Do not take. live in a rented apartment. live with mom. your choice. no one forces you to take it. the solution of the housing issue is a personal matter for everyone. you have been given a tool and it is up to you to use it or not. there are preferential programs. there are youth. there are corporate. all in your hands. millions of people enjoy. it suits me personally. I don’t want, like my parents and children, to ride around service apartments.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 7 August 2020 10: 32
          +2
          Great commentary that has nothing to do with mortgages ... laughing On business..
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 8 August 2020 12: 12
        0
        Quote: Trofim
        live in an apartment owned by a bank for 25 years paying from 25 to 60%

        for 1.2 million, subject to a first installment of 500 thousand for 13 years, a mortgage of 14 thousand for a studio.In the conditions of a bank rate of 4.5%, it makes no sense to keep money in the bank
      3. nickname7
        nickname7 9 August 2020 16: 18
        0
        ... 25 to 60% of the total family income, and even eventually overpay 70%

        You do not take into account the depreciation of the ruble, they will definitely not accept you in the accounting department. For 20 years, devaluation of wages will grow, but payments will remain the same.
    5. NEXUS
      NEXUS 7 August 2020 11: 09
      +1
      Quote: carstorm 11
      And the fact that the housing issue has been resolved by a few by 2020 is sorry, but complete nonsense. the number of mortgages issued annually is estimated at millions.

      And excuse me MORTGAGE is a solution to the housing issue, do you think? And for me this power rips off the people like a sticky one. In the USSR, the state gave apartments free of charge. That was the solution to the housing problem. And mortgage is a robbery legalized by the gang at the helm and banks.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 7 August 2020 11: 42
        -3
        Yes. I think so. and in the Union they did not give them to you. they handed them over to you !!! you didn't own them.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 7 August 2020 11: 45
          0
          Quote: carstorm 11
          Yes. I think so. and in the Union they did not give them to you. they handed them over to you !!! you didn't own them.

          In the Union, the state gave you housing in accordance with the fact that you work in this state and benefit it. That is why any janitor, plumber (mind you, not a manager or an oligarch), a turner knew for sure that at the place of work he would be provided with housing! And the state did not take this housing away from the population, but built a new one.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 7 August 2020 11: 57
            -3
            why is this big top? my father, an SA officer, did not receive an apartment. although I have been waiting for it for years .. as millions of others have not received them. we lived in a service apartment until he was able to squeeze out his apartment through the court in the nineties. a bunch of houses in our town were set up only after zero. there is a whole neighborhood now with a school and kindergartens. shops and stops. my uncle got an apartment in one area of ​​the city and worked generally in another. but he had to take it and then for years to get across the city for this job.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 7 August 2020 12: 02
              +2
              Quote: carstorm 11
              why is this big top?

              Exactly why are you organizing this circus?
              Quote: carstorm 11
              my father, an SA officer, did not receive an apartment. although I have been waiting for it for years .. as millions of others have not received them.

              And the fact that more than 250 million people lived in the USSR does not bother you at all? Housing was built and given out, and from what binge do you think that your father should have been the first in this queue is not clear. The state decided the housing issue. And no need to pull an owl on the globe, dear.
              And now you carry money to the bank so that the banker will allow you to live in NOT YOUR apartment! I will say more, it will not be yours even after the mortgage is paid, because you will pay land tax regularly. That is, the land under your apartment is also not yours. And it will never be yours.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 7 August 2020 12: 08
                -1
                and how sad is it for me? I tell you that in my case the state did not decide anything. and did not give. and study the materiel is already your apartment. just a pledge. in my life I depend on myself. I take an apartment in the area I like. in the house that I like. and the number of rooms and meters that I need. and she is my property. I can sell it and leave for another city. I can give it and bequeath it to my children.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 7 August 2020 12: 08
                  -2
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  already your apartment. just a pledge.

                  Curtain Point.
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 7 August 2020 12: 13
                    -3
                    do not break the obligations and everything is fine. the condition is much simpler.
              2. Pilat2009
                Pilat2009 7 August 2020 13: 32
                +2
                Quote: NEXUS
                Quote: carstorm 11
                why is this big top?

                Exactly why are you organizing this circus?
                Quote: carstorm 11
                my father, an SA officer, did not receive an apartment. although I have been waiting for it for years .. as millions of others have not received them.

                And the fact that more than 250 million people lived in the USSR does not bother you at all? Housing was built and given out, and from what binge do you think that your father should have been the first in this queue is not clear. The state decided the housing issue. And no need to pull an owl on the globe, dear.
                And now you carry money to the bank so that the banker will allow you to live in NOT YOUR apartment! I will say more, it will not be yours even after the mortgage is paid, because you will pay land tax regularly. That is, the land under your apartment is also not yours. And it will never be yours.

                Not only under the apartment, but also the adjacent territory belongs to the owner
          2. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 7 August 2020 13: 30
            +1
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: carstorm 11
            Yes. I think so. and in the Union they did not give them to you. they handed them over to you !!! you didn't own them.

            In the Union, the state gave you housing in accordance with the fact that you work in this state and benefit it. That is why any janitor, plumber (mind you, not a manager or an oligarch), a turner knew for sure that at the place of work he would be provided with housing! And the state did not take this housing away from the population, but built a new one.

            And what have the Union and Russia to do with it? Then there was socialism, now capitalism. The people who made a coup are now in power
          3. savage1976
            savage1976 7 August 2020 15: 45
            +1
            And therefore, after the collapse of the USSR, tens of millions in some incomprehensible way ended up in communal apartments, hostels, etc. How so? We all were given apartments? The population of the country has decreased, where did those apartments that everyone had?
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 7 August 2020 15: 49
              -1
              Quote: savage1976
              We all were given apartments? The population of the country has decreased, where did those apartments that everyone had?

              And only on the territory of the RSFSR were they built housing?

              Quote: savage1976
              We all were given apartments?

              They gave it to everyone ... only at the time of the collapse of the USSR, many lived in communal apartments and hostels. And these people stood in line to receive their apartment.
              1. savage1976
                savage1976 7 August 2020 15: 58
                -1
                Strange, everyone was given, but people lived in a communal apartment and hostels. So apparently they were not given or they refused! Probably stupid. And, well, that is, the housing issue was never resolved and tens of millions of families had no opportunity to solve it, except for decades to wait for what a good uncle would give. So what's the difference? Then it turns out that millions could not solve the housing problem (they did not give it), now millions cannot solve the housing problem (there is no money). Now, if you want to, anyone can solve the issue on their own, then even if you wanted to, he could not do it. But then everything turned out to be fair, one in a year, the other in the hostel will die. Fairness however.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 7 August 2020 16: 05
                  0
                  Quote: savage1976
                  what a good uncle will give.

                  Not a kind uncle, dear, but a STATE THAT THOUGHT ABOUT THE WELL-BEING OF ITS CITIZENS. Today the same banker to whom you carry payments for the SCAM-MORTGAGE in the coffin saw you together with your whole family. Because he is neither kind nor evil. He cares about your well-being (as well as the helmsman of the state), and only PROFIT is important. Point.
                  1. savage1976
                    savage1976 7 August 2020 16: 18
                    -1
                    Only the apartment became mine and I bought it where I want, when I want, what I want, and I will sell it when I want, and not by the will of that very kind state that will give somewhere, sometime, which it considers necessary
                    or will not give at all and who did not care for tens of millions of families living in hostels and a communal apartment turns out to be. ...
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 7 August 2020 16: 22
                      -1
                      Quote: savage1976
                      Only the apartment became mine and I bought it where I want, when I want, what I want, and I will sell it when I want, and not by the will of that very kind state that will give somewhere, sometime, which it considers necessary
                      or will not give at all and who did not care for tens of millions of families living in hostels and a communal apartment turns out to be. ...

                      Go away ... but tell me, why is an apartment in Moscow worth orders of magnitude more than, say, in Saratov? Or is this not the same Russia?
                      Buy NOT FOR YOURS where you run into ... this is your life. You only have to plow for this apartment for many many years and carry your then earned money to your uncle-banker. And of course he will tell you that this is all for you and that it is very beneficial.
                      1. savage1976
                        savage1976 7 August 2020 17: 00
                        -1
                        Why was it given to someone in Moscow and not to someone? And someone else built a cooperative for their own and then gave it to that very good state, although it was built on their own and it is completely incomprehensible why? Once everyone was just given away. And a good state told how good it is to build on our own and give it to a good state, and then rent from the same good state built on our own.
      2. nickname7
        nickname7 9 August 2020 16: 24
        0
        ... In the USSR, the state gave apartments for FREE

        You probably overslept, but the USSR no longer exists, alas. But you can complain to Sportloto.

        ... Is free. That was the solution to the housing problem.

        Under capitalism, there is no free, you have to pay for everything.
        Another thing is that we have wild capitalism, the level of the third world.
  5. Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 7 August 2020 06: 19
    14
    If this cannot be called the term "well settled", then I do not know at all how it can be called.

  6. Old partisan
    Old partisan 7 August 2020 06: 25
    16
    It's a shame. For the country, for the People. No matter how the zaputins shout, we are sinking deeper and deeper. It's a shame.
    1. CSKA
      CSKA 7 August 2020 11: 10
      -9
      Quote: Old partisan
      It's a shame. For the country, for the People. No matter how the zaputins shout, we are sinking deeper and deeper. It's a shame.

      Where are we going down? In your nagging?
    2. Atlas
      Atlas 7 August 2020 13: 12
      +7
      Quote: Old partisan
      It's a shame. For the country, for the People. No matter how the zaputins shout, we are sinking deeper and deeper. It's a shame.

      Capitalism however. This is not the Soviet system. Under capitalism, the main thing is not the people and the country, but the personal pocket.
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 7 August 2020 06: 26
    +4
    More and more, the idea is taking root in my head that a corporation that has absorbed the resources of five ministries is actually not so much aiming at the development and production of new technology as simply spending money.
    ... Probably, this is what corporations are needed for? ... You are escalating the situation again Roman, everything is fine with us ... We are moving forward, despite the sanctions ... and the machinations of the liberals .. laughing... If, seriously ... here at our enterprise ... tugs, like domestic production, manufacturers in the USC include ... our iron, the navigation filling is German or Chinese, the engines are either, or ..
  8. Van 16
    Van 16 7 August 2020 06: 36
    12
    Rostec is primarily a bureaucratic organization, with all that it implies. For example, at one time the plant was directly subordinate to the MAP, now, together with its accountants, lawyers, economists, it is included in the DBA, then in the UEC, then in Rostec. Each step has its own directors, accountants and other lawyers.
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 7 August 2020 08: 22
      +5
      Rostec is primarily a bureaucratic organization, with all that it implies. For example, at one time the plant was directly subordinate to the MAP, now, together with its accountants, lawyers, economists, it is included in the DBA, then in the UEC, then in Rostec. Each step has its own directors, accountants and other lawyers.

      That is the problem. The F - 22 Raptor was created not by state, but by private corporations Lockheed Martin, Boeing and General Dynamics. From that and the result.

      There is no more magnificent, state-regulated Soviet trade, there are private traders in the markets.
      And the country was magically overwhelmed with food.
      1. Pirate
        Pirate 7 August 2020 11: 32
        -6
        All the latest advanced developments and achievements are private business, start-ups, and where the state intervenes, it all ends in corruption, inefficiency and articles on how it happened and who is to blame good
      2. Atlas
        Atlas 7 August 2020 13: 15
        +6
        Quote: Arzt
        in the markets - private traders

        There are speculators at the flea market.
        Quote: Arzt
        And the country was magically overwhelmed with food.

        And they made the country economically dependent in front of the West.
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 7 August 2020 15: 07
          -3
          And they made the country economically dependent in front of the West.


          NOT addicted, you mean?
          We sell wheat today.
          1. polar fox
            polar fox 8 August 2020 08: 57
            +5
            Quote: Arzt
            We sell wheat today.

            so they sell girls and boys ... also goods: prostitutes and PMKashniki.
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 8 August 2020 09: 30
              -4
              so they sell girls and boys ... also goods: prostitutes and PMKashniki.

              And who is stopping to allow wheat and prohibit prostitution with PMCs?
              And in general, the collective farm is voluntary.
        2. Doctor
          Doctor 7 August 2020 15: 11
          -3
          There are speculators at the flea market.

          Have you tried to buy something cheaper and sell something more expensive?
          It is a very difficult and risky job. It is much easier to sharpen parts on a frame behind the machine.
          1. Grading
            Grading 8 August 2020 07: 03
            -5
            Sovkodrocheram this can not explain the best way out of the reservation with the possibility of entry but without exit. They will dig out their mustachioed owner with the so popular murderer when they switch to galoshes and quilted jackets with string bags, as in North Korea, you can take excursions and watch the glass "Look, children how not to do" just tells me that those who write here about "wonderful scoop "will not go there. lol
        3. Grading
          Grading 8 August 2020 10: 29
          -1
          Can you study the materiel

  9. mark1
    mark1 7 August 2020 06: 37
    +9
    PS-90, NK-93, TV-117, PD-14, PD-35 are apparently all the same for Roma, although each of them has its own niche, its own destiny, its own time.
    PS-90 was modified in PS-90A2 during the period when the plant was part of pratt-whitney, but even in this case it does not reach the best world analogues - although it is quite reliable and is therefore used on SLO, Il-76, Il -96-400 (in the future) but no one needs it abroad
    NK-93 is the tragic fate of a promising (at one time) motor. The main highlight is the super-large bypass ratio (a scheme with a compressor geared drive was used) and, as a consequence, high efficiency at a cruising speed of M = 0,7 (which is somewhat lower than the generally accepted values ​​of speeds). The project, of course, was "stabbed" to please Western competitors. But at the moment its scheme (in terms of the number of steps) is somewhat outdated.
    PD-14 is what should pull us out of deep experience. The engine is very modern, unlike Western classmates, it is made according to a gearless scheme (i.e. lighter and cheaper), the potential founder of a large family. In this case, you should not swear at him, but at the speed of development and implementation.
    PD-35 can become a breakthrough (if it does, it’s good that it is tied to the Russian-Chinese project) and it is not a classmate of the NK-93 (it is twice as powerful in thrust), it is better to mention the unborn NK-2.
    1. savage1976
      savage1976 7 August 2020 08: 39
      +3
      You don’t understand, the author is a specialist in a wide profile both in the power supply of hospitals and in the fight against infections and in the construction and operation of gas infrastructure and now in the aircraft engine and aviation security, what is the difference between a turbofan engine or a turboprop, the main thing is that both drive the air, then we replace, well, you think the difference in diameter is a meter, lengthen the landing gear by a meter and fly.
      1. CSKA
        CSKA 7 August 2020 11: 35
        +1
        Quote: savage1976
        You don’t understand, the author is a specialist in a wide profile both in the power supply of hospitals and in the fight against infections and in the construction and operation of gas infrastructure and now in the aircraft engine and aviation security, what is the difference between a turbofan engine or a turboprop, the main thing is that both drive the air, then we replace, well, you think the difference in diameter is a meter, lengthen the landing gear by a meter and fly.

        laughing good Our political scientists and journalists imagine themselves to be experts in everything, but only when they really encounter experts, they sit in a puddle.
        1. savage1976
          savage1976 7 August 2020 12: 38
          -3
          Unfortunately, this is a problem of the modern world, junkists rule Roscosmos, sofa experts give advice to journalists steering Roscosmos, figure skaters (read housewives) run the state, “sofa specialists in aircraft construction” criticize aircraft designers instead of building planes themselves. And then everyone is surprised that we live poorly.
    2. MelkorAintGood
      MelkorAintGood 7 August 2020 18: 20
      -1
      1) How will PD-14 get it out of the "pit"? What is the modern engine? You've read a lot of marketing campaigns. Have you seen at least one aircraft engine in hardware, or at least blueprints?
      2) In fact, on the contrary, the gearbox for the turbine engine is good, thanks to it the fan and the LP turbine rotate at optimal speeds with all the aerodynamic and structural ones resulting from the air path.
      3) PD-35 will not be a breakthrough. Google it when the GE90 family came out. So, the PD-35 will be born at best in the 30s, and then if you're lucky.
      I read a presentation from an aircraft engine on the topic of the PD family. So, if you simply scale up the PD-14 without mastering critical technologies, then nothing will come of it. And there is a gear circuit, and a composite fan blade (and other parts of the engine made of composite) and much more, which, by the way, is not on the PD-14.
      1. mark1
        mark1 7 August 2020 18: 48
        +2
        Quote: MelkorAintGood
        Have you seen at least one aircraft engine in hardware, or at least blueprints?

        Have you seen both - have you?
        Quote: MelkorAintGood
        In fact, on the contrary, a gearbox for a tdd is good,

        Good in theory, but not always and not everywhere in life - sometimes reliability suffers ... If you can do without it, that's good.
        Quote: MelkorAintGood
        PD-35 will not be a breakthrough.

        You think on the scale of the galaxy, and I of our country
        Quote: MelkorAintGood
        I read a presentation from an aircraft engine on the topic of the PD family.

        Judging by your terminology, you are very deeply immersed in the process of creating new modern world-class aircraft engines.
        I wonder who has not read the "presentation".
    3. Elturisto
      Elturisto 8 August 2020 09: 21
      0
      If not in the subject, then do not write ...
    4. dauria
      dauria 8 August 2020 23: 31
      +1
      apparently everything is the same for Roma


      I was surprised in his opus "TV3-117 with a generally accepted electric launch in the world instead of the APU". The author represents how many batteries were required on the Mi-8T? 7 pieces. On the Mi-8 MT with a launch from the" Aishka "- 2 pieces. Represents the weight of the AI-9 and 5 batteries? Fussing with them carrying, charging, storing them in Yes, the helicopter pilots crossed themselves when the "generally accepted in the world" electric launch from the STG was replaced by the AI-9 APU. This is a helicopter. And there is not always an APA on the site.
  10. gvozdan
    gvozdan 7 August 2020 06: 38
    +1
    In 2007, we did not know the word import substitution at all.
    It is quite a logical step to get a lot of dough to invest it in the defense industry. Would the author be more satisfied with an investment in Treasury? Or yacht officials?
    Yes, not everything is smooth, this is life. There are a bunch of factors, not just the estimated cut. Only young people think that ice cream is the best food and they sincerely wonder why everyone does not eat only ice cream or cakes all the time. I wonder why the production of f22 was curtailed? Or the engine from Saturn5 after the Apollo program was not attached anywhere. Maybe for capitalism this is the norm (cut) which in the world has not surprised anyone for a long time. Only we, with our communist baggage, cannot get used to it.
    1. Courier
      Courier 7 August 2020 07: 04
      +4
      Why Saturn engines when the Shuttles appeared?

      F 22, they do not, but its engines are put on the F 35. Since there are engines, it means that F 22 can also be put into production.

      The state corporation is just the Soviet baggage, there is not much of capitalism there.
  11. Courier
    Courier 7 August 2020 06: 49
    +7
    A state corporation is a monopoly, and this is evil even according to Marx, not to mention classical economics.
    Officials do not need to develop anything, their salaries are paid anyway, whether there is a profit or not.
    1. CSKA
      CSKA 7 August 2020 12: 10
      0
      Quote: Courier
      The state corporation has a monopoly

      What makes you think that a state corporation is a monopoly? Can you give an example?
      Quote: Courier
      not to mention classical economics.

      Is it not a classic economy in Italy? however, the oil and gas company Eni is controlled by the state.
      Quote: Courier
      Officials do not need to develop anything, they are paid salaries anyway, whether there is a profit or not

      )))) Employees of state corporations are not officials, but employees of a corporation that belongs to the state. Do you feel the difference? And they, like everyone else, want to receive bonuses and bonuses in addition to their salary, so I will try to work better.
      1. Grading
        Grading 8 August 2020 07: 06
        +1
        The Federal Antimonopoly Service (FAS) allowed the destruction of state corporations in order to develop competition in Russia. The head of the Federal Antimonopoly Service Igor Artemiev spoke about such radical measures to combat monopoly.

        “We need to destroy Russian state corporations, transfer them to other organizational forms, to joint stock companies. Then there will be competition, ”Artemyev shared the ideas laid down in the National Plan for the Development of Competition for 2021-2024.

        In August, the Security Council proposed that the government strip Gazprom of its gas export monopoly. However, experts considered that the entry of competitors to the market could reduce the prices of liquefied gas and lead to a decrease in budget revenues.

        In addition, in April the FAS refused to index gas transportation tariffs for independent companies to Gazprom. This was explained by the fact that the company did not provide transparent data on its activities. The confrontation has been going on for several years, and because of the FAS's refusal to raise tariffs, Gazprom annually suffers billions of dollars in losses.
  12. Ros 56
    Ros 56 7 August 2020 07: 25
    +3
    Another reason for the revival of SMERSH.
  13. 2112vda
    2112vda 7 August 2020 07: 52
    +9
    Everything is painfully familiar. As long as the country will be governed by liberals with their "universal" values ​​of the collective West, everything will continue in our country. Now I am observing the situation as a research team is being destroyed at one large chemical enterprise. This collective had the "audacity" to compete with corporations in Japan and the United States. A technology for obtaining a demanded product was developed, the technology and product are protected by patents, including international ones. The representatives of Japan and the USA did not like all this very much, there were three patent courts initiated by the above-named firms from these countries. They lost the courts. Representatives of Japan came to Russia for chem. the enterprise demanding to abandon its own developments and buy a license from them were refused. As the saying goes: "If the mountain does not go to Magomed, then Magomed goes to the mountain." We found ways to influence shareholders, owners of this chemical enterprise. Now, under the guise of improving controllability and other blah-blah-blah, the scientific division is simply stupidly closed. This is not the first time in my memory. I happened to work in 3 organizations that have gone through this kind of transformation. These were a design institute, a motor plant and a pilot plant. As long as the families and financial interests of our "business and political captains" are abroad, this will continue. Sorry for the youth. I understand that there will be no improvement in my remaining life.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 7 August 2020 08: 53
      11
      Now I am observing the situation as a research team is being destroyed at one large chemical enterprise. This collective had the "audacity" to compete with corporations in Japan and the USA

      Gauleiters are prohibited.
      As long as the families and financial interests of our "business and political captains" are abroad, this will continue. Sorry for the youth. I understand that there will be no improvement in my remaining life.
      So it is .. while the OPG is at the helm, there is nothing good to wait .. Moreover, everywhere the west's ears stick out .. that means our "steering" controls ..
      I have had suspicions for a long time and have expressed them more than once that all this enmity with the West .. dust that is allowed into the eyes of the layman, while turning the country into a gas station .. nothing fundamental has been done in 30 years .. well, how to explain this?
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 7 August 2020 09: 42
        +4
        I have had suspicions for a long time and have expressed them more than once that all this enmity with the West .. dust that is allowed into the eyes of the layman, while turning the country into a gas station .. nothing fundamental has been done in 30 years .. well, how to explain this?
        .... About dust, I agree, I support .. A simple example, there are fewer and fewer vocational schools that would train specialists for production .. All some leftist professions ... Here in the provincial center, there is a higher educational institution , prepares ... diplomats .. Grandson, graduated from acquaintances .. works as a "diplomat" in Sportmaster ..
      2. CSKA
        CSKA 7 August 2020 17: 26
        -1
        Quote: Svarog
        As long as the families and financial interests of our "business and political captains" are abroad, this will continue.

        ))))) Svarog well, let's name their names. And then every time I write to you that the evidence would be presented, and you are only capable of doing lies.
        Quote: Svarog
        Moreover, the ears of the West stick out everywhere .. that means our "helmsmen" control ..

        Are you paranoid or can you name examples?
        Quote: Svarog
        I have had suspicions for a long time and have expressed them more than once that all this enmity with the West .. dust that is allowed into the eyes of the layman, while turning the country into a gas station ..

        And in how many years did the USSR become a gas station? Compare the export structure of the Russian Federation and Saudi Arabia in order to understand with your head which country is a gas station and which is not.
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 7 August 2020 19: 46
          +1
          Quote: CSKA
          Svarog well, let's name their names. And then every time I write to you that the evidence would be presented, and you are only capable of doing lies.

          Does the surname Abramovich say anything?
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 8 August 2020 10: 56
            -1
            Quote: Pilat2009
            Does the surname Abramovich say anything?

            ))) Abramovich minister, prime minister or president?
            1. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 8 August 2020 11: 00
              0
              Quote: CSKA
              ))) Abramovich minister, prime minister or president?

              Business captain. You don't have to be a president, you can run the economy, own assets of factories and factories and live in London. And your assets are registered in Cyprus.
    2. CSKA
      CSKA 7 August 2020 12: 12
      -2
      Quote: 2112vda
      Everything is painfully familiar. As long as the country will be ruled by liberals

      So name by family name who are the liberals who govern the country? And what are their values?
      Quote: 2112vda
      Now I am observing the situation as a research team is being destroyed at one large chemical enterprise. This collective had the "audacity" to compete with corporations in Japan and the USA

      )))) Well, why are you so shy? Let's name the name of this enterprise and technology.
  14. Hagen
    Hagen 7 August 2020 08: 24
    -2
    And the time of creation of "Rostec" falls on this period. When money was not just a lot. Lots of.

    And you probably forgot the debt of the USSR of $ 100 billion only to external creditors? But the bulk of payments to pay off the debt fell precisely in the first 7-8 years of the new century. And besides, there was not a small internal debt for salary, pensions, and other social benefits.
    Time has shown everything. Today, in the same 2020. And the fact that the housing issue was decided by a few ...

    How can this be assessed? The author is not aware that over the past 20 years more than 11 million apartments have been commissioned and populated by families of Russian citizens in Russia? For him, it may be a few. I think a bit more. But in general, the author threw in the thesis without "support." And I would like something like: "..... The government expects to make housing more affordable for families with average incomes with the help of the Housing and Urban Environment" national project worth 1 trillion rubles. Housing construction should grow from 86 million square meters in 2018 to 120 million sq. m. in 2024, mortgage rates - to decrease to 7,9%, the issuance of mortgage loans - to double to 2,3 million per year ...... Housing affordability ratio (HAC), o which Kosareva and Polidi write, is the period for which a family of three can save up for an apartment of 54 sq. m if they save all their income. It is calculated based on its cost and the average annual income of the family. housing with a period of less than 3 years. In Russia, the HLO decreased over 10 years by about 1,7 years to 3,3 years in 2017, according to the Institute for Urban Economics, and according to the state program on housing it was even lower - 2,6 year and by 2025 should drop to 2,3 years. More than 2 trillion rubles will be allocated for this - mainly m from the federal budget .... "This is how you can discuss the problem. By numbers and trend research, not pointless criticism.
    And in general, how can one talk about the successes or problems of production without delving into the economics of enterprises or industries, without comparing costs and profits? These are all numbers, many numbers with a detailed explanation of their meanings. And the article is just a set of some kind of emotions,
    700 enterprises. Tens of thousands of employees. Thousands of effective managers and leaders. This is one side. But there is also a second one. This is no result. These are docked ships. No motors. These are planes and helicopters waiting in the wings.

    Such work of the author for money (if we bear in mind that articles are paid for) can also be commented on with words
    If this cannot be called the term "well settled", then I do not know at all how it can be called.
  15. Sun say
    Sun say 7 August 2020 08: 54
    0
    Rogozmos is in the same boat with them.
  16. Pavel Yashkov
    Pavel Yashkov 7 August 2020 09: 04
    0
    Scary to read ...
  17. Kolin
    Kolin 7 August 2020 09: 05
    +2
    Nobody says that the PD-14 Perm engine is bad. It's just more expensive (394 million rubles versus 293 for the NK-93), louder (turbojets make more noise than the high-pressure engine), more voracious (0,54 kg / kgf • h versus 0,49 for the NK-93), less environmentally friendly than the engine from Samara.

    1) Our plasma friend has not heard about inflation ...
    2) The opposite is true about noise.
    3) In theory, the NK-93 should have had 0,49 at a speed of 0,78 mach, but it turned out 0,54 at a speed of 0,72 mach, for PD-14 0,54 at 0,8 M.
  18. Maks1995
    Maks1995 7 August 2020 09: 06
    0
    Great article. Shows the real state of affairs for the indiscriminate.
    (and they said that Navalny is to blame for everything ..... (((

    True, everyone here is discussing mortgages and new apartments ... Yeah ...

    Any whim for your money ... We have 1 house in the district in 30 years. No infrastructure. They shoved me right in the middle of the former yard.
    Instead of abandoned by an unfinished street from the USSR, - with a full line of communications.

    11 million apartments ... almost a quarter of the country's population ... and everything is somewhere far away from us ...
    True, they say, they are simply bought up by a bunch of rich people in reserve. In the evening in an apartment building, sometimes 1-2 windows are lit. Saw.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 August 2020 15: 39
      -1
      The article does not show anything at all - a dummy of one day, about everything and about nothing.
      1. zenion
        zenion 7 August 2020 17: 33
        -1
        In how the liberals did not like it. As soon as it comes down to the fact that the fish is spoiled from the head, so the minuses pour like dandruff from the brainless head.
  19. And11
    And11 7 August 2020 09: 10
    +7
    Useless structure. He is mainly engaged in taking profits from the enterprise (in particular from ours). The height of cynicism was when Rostec bought up stands at the exhibition, and then sold them 2-3 times more expensive to their enterprises in the specified order. "Effective managers" in Moscow sit on unmeasured salaries and send out circulars demanding to improve efficiency
  20. Valery Potapov
    Valery Potapov 7 August 2020 09: 19
    +4
    How gloriously the notorious fighters for capitalist competition are passing over to the monopolies. Apparently it's easier for them to steer. Play computer games for yourself. They would leave at least socialist competition if the brains are not enough ...
  21. mark2
    mark2 7 August 2020 09: 25
    0
    If this site is read by young people, then this is where you should strive to get to work. To Rostec !!
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 7 August 2020 09: 44
      +2
      And not just to Rostec, to managers of Rostec laughing
  22. Kazimir Prutikov
    Kazimir Prutikov 7 August 2020 09: 37
    +2
    Today all Russia is one big Potemkin village, and you are talking about Rostec. Everywhere you look, everything is the same ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 August 2020 15: 40
      -3
      You do not compare your point on the map with the whole of Russia.
  23. Boris55
    Boris55 7 August 2020 09: 39
    -6
    Quote: R. Skomorokhov
    IL-96? But there is b / a Boeing or Airbus

    There is a simple worldly wisdom: "An organ that does not exercise atrophies"

    Novel. Do you understand what you are calling for? Do you understand why the United States is still flying into space on our engines? They have no design school, no specialists, ranging from a simple locksmith and above. In the 90s, they stole everything they could from us, but they cannot do it. Their hands do not grow from there.

    Russia is not a banana republic. Russia is an independent civilization with its own culture and science. You are calling on us to become the gas station of the West. How did M. Thatcher and T. Blair say: For Russia, 15-30 million people are enough to service the pipe ... Are you calling us to this?

    ps
    Only the one who knocks on the keys has no drawbacks.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 7 August 2020 10: 16
      +2
      In the 90s they stole everything they could from us
      ... and vocational school students who trained specialists for production, and also replaced the drink "Baikal" and "Coca-Cola" ... laughing
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 7 August 2020 10: 23
        -4
        Quote: parusnik
        ... and vocational school students who trained specialists for production ...

        Enterprises are returning to this practice - they themselves train the specialists they need ... Here's mentoring would be more ...

        Quote: parusnik
        ... and they also replaced the drink "Baikal" and "Coca-Cola" ...

        And I would now drink a glass of soda water with pleasure.
        And a glass, one for all and no infection ...

    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 August 2020 15: 43
      -5
      "Do you understand why the United States still flies into space on our engines? They have no design school, no specialists, starting from a simple locksmith and above. In the 90s, they stole everything they could from us, but cannot do it. Their hands don't grow from there. " - Are you fantasizing next year, the United States will fly five new launch vehicles and two new manned spacecraft, all entirely created by US engineers and on their own engines.
      1. Pirate
        Pirate 10 August 2020 08: 29
        0
        Kremlebot can't help but lie
        about SpaceX's Raptor engines

        Starship SN5 150m jump on Raptor
    3. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 7 August 2020 19: 57
      0
      Quote: Boris55
      Do you understand why the United States is still flying into space on our engines?

      Not anymore. But in general, this is pure economics. Why invest in repetition if you can buy it. But during this time Musk finished his ship and Roskosmos was marking time. Now they are developing a methane engine, and we?
    4. nickname7
      nickname7 9 August 2020 16: 52
      +1
      ... why is the USA in space still on our summer engines

      Don't lie, they take only one engine model from us, they make other models themselves. And that is why it is easier for them to buy, and not because they cannot. They launched the rover, this is a task of enormous complexity.

      ... They have no design school, no specialists, ranging from a simple locksmith and above.

      Do you think the United States is at the African level? Have you heard anything about returnable steps? And where did you come up with the computer you use?
      Here is such a manamirok uryakalok that the states are backward if they bought a bolt and a part from the Russian Federation.
  24. borys
    borys 7 August 2020 09: 57
    +3
    There are some strains and inaccuracies, but in general the article
    very correct. And belated by 20 years.
  25. Serhiodjan
    Serhiodjan 7 August 2020 10: 58
    -4
    The poor fellow became completely skomorokhov. Everything is gone chief
  26. Kolin
    Kolin 7 August 2020 11: 02
    0
    The Il-76 and Il-96 have already begun to be forgotten

    IL-76 began to be mass-produced in Ulyanovsk.
    And the brave managers quickly refused NK-93

    This NK-93 is a huge and heavy ugreb with a resource of tens of hours and frail traction.
    as with the Superjet. And perhaps with the same degree of success.

    200 have already been released, and at least 500 will be released in total. Normal success.
    at the end of 2020 (I will emphasize "maybe") we will get an engine that is nothing, well, really, nothing better than the PS-90A and NK-93 developed in the USSR

    PD is best for everyone.
    In 2014, Klimov assembled the first 10 engines entirely from Russian components. In 2015 - 30. In 2016 - 60. In 2017 - 100. In 2018 - 130. In 2019 - 200.

    In 2019 - 230, and in 5 years there will be 500 engines per year.
    But since the SaM146 is the fruit of joint cooperation with the French (hello, Mistrals!), It is clear that there will be no engines.

    And what do Superjets fly on?
    It is worth briefly speaking here about the engine for the Su-57, with which the plane should become a real one, and not a paper fighter of the fifth generation. But ... Work is underway, but the results are somewhere not close.

    The Su-57 and with the existing engine is an excellent fighter, as for the ed. 30, according to Skomorokhov, tests are not needed.

    It can be stated that we are witnessing hysteria, rolling on the floor and fakes.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 7 August 2020 20: 17
      +2
      Quote: Kolin
      200 have already been released, and at least 500 will be released in total

      You'd better calculate how many flies and how much it costs. Aeroflot bought them compulsorily and other airlines too. The plane is expensive to maintain.
  27. Kolin
    Kolin 7 August 2020 11: 05
    -2
    It is only clear that the declared diameter of the PD-35 is 3100 mm. And here a complete misunderstanding begins. NK-93, ready and practically debugged, having passed flight tests in a flying laboratory, did not find application, since it was very large. Diameter 2900 mm. And the small and compact PD-35 with a diameter of 3100 mm is in great demand, since time and money will be spent on its development.

    The PD-35 has 2 times more thrust than the NK-93. Out of the box.
    1. Ivan Sidorovsky
      Ivan Sidorovsky 7 August 2020 15: 09
      +2
      Do you think that a person who is planning to cram this engine into a TU-330 is interested in thrust?
  28. RUnnm
    RUnnm 7 August 2020 13: 09
    +1
    Is this a joke? There Serdyukovueh gave a year to smoothly displace Chemezov, and are we waiting for some kind of breakthrough? Let's also transfer Chubais and Rogozin there and wait for miracles!
  29. Pirate
    Pirate 7 August 2020 13: 31
    +2
    Quote: Atlas
    Quote: paul3390
    The country needs a new Joseph Vissarionovich and socialism!

    There will be no new Stalin. Personalities like Stalin are born once every two hundred years. We need a man of action at the head of the state who can return Russia from the capitalist track to the Soviet path of development.

    And here is the reason for the last 30 years you simply chose the wrong ones! Well, then everything is clear, just to choose the right person, well then there is no problem, then good
  30. depressant
    depressant 7 August 2020 14: 13
    +3
    As for the complete import substitution of TV3-117 helicopter engines with UEC-Klimov motors, announced by 2017, but not completed. But the economy has already been falling! By this time, it had been falling for three years in a row and then continued to fall. What both the cabinet and the president recognized, what led to the expulsion of Medvedev, and why this happened is another question.

    And the TV7-117 turboshaft engine for multi-purpose helicopters of the Mi-38 type was developed by UEC-Klimov, which is part of the United Engine Corporation, which in turn is part of Rostec - such a chain! The engine was successfully tested in conditions of continuous and intermittent icing, which proved its efficiency during tests carried out by the Research and Testing Center of the Central Institute of Aviation Motors named after PI Baranov (CIAM). In severe conditions of continuous and intermittent icing at altitudes up to 4000 m, the engine performed well at temperatures up to minus 30 ° C, and this is in all operating conditions.

    As far as we know, in the third quarter of 2019, the engine received the so-called Major Change Approval from the Russian Aviation Register.
    The TV7-117 engine has a free turbine and is designed for installation on multipurpose helicopters of the Mi-38 type.

    "The design and fully responsible FADEC electronic automatic control and monitoring system provides high power with low fuel consumption and increased flight reliability. This class of engines has no analogues in terms of fuel efficiency and takeoff power.
    TV7-117 has a takeoff power of 2800 hp. from. (in emergency mode - 3140 hp), dry weight - 435 kg, the assigned resource of the main parts according to the resource management system (RMS2) - 2110 flight cycles. "
    pikabu.ru.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 7 August 2020 20: 31
      0
      Quote: depressant
      As for the complete import substitution of TV3-117 helicopter engines with UEC-Klimov motors, announced by 2017, but not completed. But the economy has already been falling! By this time, she fell for three years in a row and then continued to fall

      What influence does the declining economy have on engine production? If you need to supply such a number of engines to the troops, then what does the world economy have to do with it?
  31. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 7 August 2020 14: 30
    +1
    Quote: marchcat
    There is a lot of work for the FSB and the Prosecutor General's Office, only it looks like "they" are also listed in this holding.

    Who in their right mind and blessed memory cuts the chicken that lays the "golden eggs" ?! wink laughing
  32. Ivan Sidorovsky
    Ivan Sidorovsky 7 August 2020 15: 04
    0
    "However, it can and should have been used on the Il-76MD-90A, Il-96-400M, Tu-330 aircraft."

    Briefly, tell us how you will put this wonderful engine in the IL-96 or TU-330. How many will you put them on the IL-76? Two is not enough, four is a lot, maybe 3? In terms of housing construction, the country has long surpassed the best Soviet period, but in your opinion, gophers seem to settle in new apartments, not residents. Yes, because of the Ukrainians, there really were problems with the engines, but this is a difficult issue and it cannot be solved right away, it takes time. Without Rostec, a lot of enterprises would have simply collapsed, but in general, some kind of mess turned out to be small, without a hint of analytics.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 August 2020 15: 48
      -1
      And most importantly, propeller-driven fan motors have too high noise, which means they will not receive certification in the West, and if they do not receive certificates, then they will not fly accordingly and no one will buy aircraft with such engines.
  33. 2112vda
    2112vda 7 August 2020 16: 19
    -2
    Quote: CSKA
    So name by family name who are the liberals who govern the country?

    Our guarantor himself does not hide his affiliation with the liberal wing. Or do you think that he is a member of the Communist Party? Well, about addresses and appearances, let's look at the further development of events at the enterprise.
  34. pavelty
    pavelty 7 August 2020 16: 31
    -1
    The novel sometimes writes about what he does not understand anything about ...
  35. Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 7 August 2020 16: 54
    -2
    Just look at everything ROSTEKH does and close this question for yourself. Well done guys, they are doing business.
    https://rostec.ru/
  36. zenion
    zenion 7 August 2020 17: 19
    -1
    This is what Stalin called sabotage and espionage. Under Stalin and a little after him, this did not go away, but now this is the basis of the foundations - feudalist capitalism. By the way, does the helmsman get something from this?
    1. Grading
      Grading 8 August 2020 06: 56
      +1
      No, of course, only the slaves had nothing to eat, neither those who worked nor those who sat and worked
  37. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 August 2020 08: 06
    -1
    Eh, Roman, Roman ... Do you work at Rostec? Or in the UEC? And the numbers were pulled from their reports? So they are chipboard. And the rest is 100% journalistic speculation. However, the production of helicopters is going according to plan. And no sign of them standing on the ground, waiting for the engines. About Ukrainian diesels on ships - smiled ... German because of the sanctions did not receive ... GTE for ships - "Tyumen Motors" and "Saturn" began to fill the deficit. Otherwise, what were the frigates and corvettes on? About PD-14 and NK-93 ... I just have no data here. One thing I can say. I have never met fools at Rostec ...
  38. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 10 August 2020 13: 00
    0
    PS-90A is extremely unreliable. engine
    The scoreboard - "shavings in the filter" - and a paragraph, send a new engine somewhere to Beijing, because the Tu-204 cannot fly out due to the fact that it will most likely not fly back.
    And the Russia squadron was also grief-stricken to fly on these extremely unreliable engines, the top officials were not overwhelmed by the fact that they had to either take risks or change plans.
    In general, PS-90A did not correspond to foreign counterparts in terms of reliability.
  39. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 10 August 2020 13: 25
    0
    Indeed, this is the coolest design bureau in the USSR and subsequently in the CIS to create engines with a capital letter. And if you call Nikolai Dmitrievich Kuznetsov as a designer, then always with the prefix "great".

    It is not necessary to forget that before the "great" (in the midst of work on yumo "022", a new manager came to plant No. 2 - Nikolai Dmitrievich Kuznetsov), German designers worked (A.Shaibe was appointed Chief Designer of the united design bureau, Vogte, head of the design group - F. Brandner), and the future NK-12 became their "demobilization chord, after the development of this engine they were promised to be released to Germany.
    The creation of TV-12 (NK-12) was the final work in which German specialists took part. At the end of 1953, the last Germans left the plant. The final tests and subsequent improvement of the engine were carried out by Soviet engineers.
    So what about "greatness", here it is necessary to "distribute wreaths" more carefully.

    Moreover, the design bureau has not advanced much further than the modernization of the NK-12 since 1954.
    That is, there were no revolutionary breakthroughs with the departure of the Germans - the design bureau labored in the modernization of the NK-12 and lived on this topic until the collapse of the USSR.
  40. Hikaro
    Hikaro 11 August 2020 12: 10
    0
    The article is not bad but chaotic, a little on the emotions of the author! It is NOT taken into account that the West, let's call it that, has a very developed system of cooperation! In principle, it is very similar to the times of the USSR, when in Riga there is a screwdriver assembly, and all the components were made at different factories throughout the USSR! For example, the Yankees are making a new aircraft carrier, the equipment for it is supplied by the Germans and the French and the British! Therefore, everything happens relatively quickly, because the equipment is approved and routinely produced! Plus no sanctions for you! The contacts are well established and work great, and this cooperation is not only in the military sphere! Alas, Russia has to start everything from scratch! It's expensive and of course muddy schemes ala managers! Here the author is right, I agree with him! China, for example, was lucky because it received all the technology from the West, plus, and factories built with its own money! Russia is not yet shining!
  41. Tagan
    Tagan 13 August 2020 07: 22
    0
    Quote: Roman123567
    you don't supposedly live there? up to this point?)

    Exactly..
    We don't live !! And we live ..
    Those who have come across a mortgage know very well what it is like .. "to live" for years, denying oneself any little thing ..

    Who makes you live beyond your means?
    Well, I also came across a mortgage, with an interest rate higher than now, with lending conditions no better than you can find now. They did not deny themselves the little things, tk. planned in advance based on the possibilities.
    “We don’t live !! And we live .. "maybe you should have been given housing?))) In addition, you do not pay for rented housing, but pay for the apartment in which you" live ", which will become yours in the end. Is there a difference?
  42. Tagan
    Tagan 13 August 2020 07: 27
    0
    Tireless hack. Well, what, cookies have to be beaten off. Well done)))
  43. 3danimal
    3danimal 13 August 2020 08: 20
    -1
    Yes, the NK-93, like all TVVDs, turned out to be of considerable size: the fan diameter was 2,9 m.However, it could and should have been used on the Il-76MD-90A, Il-96-400M, Tu-330 aircraft (if it went into series). The large size of the engine is not so critical, for comparison - the same "Boeing-777" flies with a 3,5-meter HPT, and nothing.

    The author was wrong. Shown is an experimental propeller-driven fan motor. And the Boeing 777 has a conventional turbofan, the most powerful in the world, hence the size.
  44. 3danimal
    3danimal 13 August 2020 08: 25
    -1
    The Yak-41 is related only to the F-35B, in terms of the rotary nozzle. All. The rest of the solutions are very different, the same use of a "cold" lift fan, instead of turbojet engines, heating the air consumed by the main engine during takeoff.
  45. Alexander Yaroshenko
    Alexander Yaroshenko 13 August 2020 13: 33
    0
    Everything is very well noted, these are the realities of Putin