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Fighter aircraft of South Korea

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Air Defense of the Republic of Korea... For a country with an area of ​​100210 sq. km, the Republic of Korea has a very powerful and modern air force. The air force of the Republic of Kazakhstan is inferior in number to the air force of the DPRK, but is more combat-ready, equipped with modern technology. South Korean pilots have a higher annual flight time. A closer look at the South Korean combat aviation it can be noted that it has a very high technical readiness factor, and fighter squadrons in a threatened period can be quickly dispersed to reserve airfields. After the appearance of operational-tactical missiles in the DPRK in the 1980s, well-protected concrete shelters were built at all major airbases of the ROK and US Air Force located in South Korea.


According to reference data, as of 2019, the Republic of Korea Air Force (ROKAF) had about 700 aircraft, of which about 400 were combat aircraft. There are 10 fighter air wings in total. The core of the fighter fleet is made up of American-made aircraft or those produced under an American license, but the South Korean government is making significant efforts to organize the production of its aircraft and reduce its dependence on the United States in military-economic terms.

South Korean aviation is permanently based at seven air bases and four dual-use airfields. In addition, there are 14 reserve runways with concrete and unpaved surfaces. Also, straight sections of motorways can be used as a runway.


The basing scheme of fighters of the Air Force of the Republic of Kazakhstan

The presented diagram shows that the main part of the basing airfields is located in the central part of the country, and all of them are covered by Patriot PAC-2 / PAC-3, MIM-23В I-Hawk and Cheolmae-2 medium and long-range anti-aircraft missile systems.


In the past, South Korean fighters FK-16C and F-15K have repeatedly climbed towards Russian and Chinese bombers approaching the border of the territorial waters of the Republic of Korea, and also accompanied the American B-1B, B-52H and P-8A during training flights.

F-15K fighters of the South Korean Air Force


The F-15K heavy fighters are of the greatest value as an air defense interceptor. The F-15K Slam Eagle is an export version of the American F-15E Strike Eagle specially adapted for Korea.


South Korean fighter F-15K Slam Eagle

In 2002, the ROKAF command declared this fighter the winner of the FX competition, which also featured Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and Su-35 fighters. New heavy fighters in the South Korean Air Force were supposed to replace the outdated F-5A / B Freedom Fighter, F-5E / F Tiger II, F-4D / E Phantom II and partly the F-16 Fighting Falcon of the first batch.


A number of improvements were introduced into the design of the F-15K, which made it possible to make this aircraft more technologically advanced and provide increased survivability and better maintainability. An important factor that contributed to the victory of the Boeing product was the fact that the Americans agreed that Korean firms were involved in the manufacture of some aircraft parts and that Korean-made electronics were used. For example, Korea Aerospace Industries Ltd. (KAI) produces fuselage and wing elements, Hanwha Group is responsible for control equipment, Samsung Thales supplies radars, communications and jamming equipment, LIG ​​Nex1 (LG Innotek) multifunctional displays and fire control systems, Samsung Techwin assembles engines. In total, the F-15K fighter contains up to 40% of parts and components of electronic equipment manufactured in the Republic of Korea.


Compared to the original F-15E, the Korean F-15K has an improved avionics. So, to coordinate interaction with other fighters, AWACS aircraft, air defense systems and ground control points, Link-16 onboard equipment is used, which in real time allows you to transmit and receive information about air targets. Armament, radar and generator of active and jamming and shooting of heat traps are controlled by the HOTAS system. The aircraft is equipped with the latest generation of navigation aids, as well as FLIR night vision equipment and an IRST infrared search and sighting system. The aircraft's armament control system includes an APG-63 (V) 1 airborne radar, an integrated JHMCS helmet-mounted target designation system and thermal imaging sighting sensors. The machine is equipped with a MIL STD 1760 data bus.


The AN / APG-63 (V) 1 radar manufactured by Raytheon is used to detect air, ground and sea targets. The radar has a high detection efficiency against the background of the underlying surface and can work in the mapping mode. Compared to the AN / APG-63 station installed on F-15A / B fighters, this modification has improved characteristics and is much more reliable. It provides simultaneous tracking of 14 air targets and simultaneous firing of AIM-120C / D missiles at six targets. The detection range of small targets is about 100 km, the maximum detection range of air targets is 180 km.

The F-15K Slam Eagle fighter is capable of carrying a wide range of aircraft weapons with a total weight of 13 kg. The built-in 000-mm M20A61 cannon (1 rounds of ammunition), AIM-512L / X Sidewinder UR, AIM-9M Sparrow and AIM-7C AMRAAM can be used to engage air targets. The maximum launch range of a melee missile launcher with infrared guidance is 120 km, the AIM-8M Sparrow can hit air targets at a distance of up to 7 km (to the front hemisphere), and the AIM-70C AMRAAM - 120 km (to the front hemisphere). In real air combat conditions, the effective range of radar-guided air-to-air missiles does not exceed 120-45 km.

The two-seater fighter has a maximum take-off weight of 36740 kg. Two bypass turbojet engines Pratt Whitney F110-GE-129 with afterburner thrust of 13150 kgf can accelerate the aircraft to a speed of 2655 km / h. The fighters supplied under the second contract are equipped with Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229ERR engines with increased reliability with a maximum thrust at afterburner of 13200 kgf. Cruising flight speed - 917 km / h. Combat radius with a minimum combat load - 1800 km.


According to information released by World Air Forces 2020, ROKAF currently has 59 F-15K Slam Eagle fighters. One plane crashed into the Sea of ​​Japan in June 2006, killing two pilots. South Korean F-15K Slam Eagle are in good technical condition and regularly participate in joint exercises with the US Air Force. The current F-15K fleet is expected to last until at least 2040.


Satellite image of Google Earth: F-15K fighters at Daegu airfield

The main airbase of the Korean Needles is the Daegu dual-use airport. The E-737 DRLO aircraft on duty is also regularly based here.

Fighter aircraft of South Korea

When studying satellite images of the Daegu airfield and other South Korean air bases, attention is drawn to the fact that combat fighters of the Air Force of the Republic of Kazakhstan are out of flight almost all the time in ground reinforced concrete and underground fortified shelters. The planes have a great chance of surviving in the event of a surprise attack and are protected from adverse meteorological factors.

F-16 fighters of the South Korean Air Force


At the moment, the main ROKAF fighters are F-16C / D Fighting Falcon. South Korea was one of the first countries to receive 40 fighters of the F-16C / D Block 32 modification. The ROKAF began mastering these aircraft in 1986. At that time, the F-86D Saber fighters were operated in the Air Force of the Republic of Kazakhstan, and the F-5A / B Freedom Fighter and F-5E / F Tiger II constituted the basis of the combat aircraft fleet. The mastery of the Fighting Falcons by South Korean pilots was a significant step forward in terms of increasing combat potential.


South Korean F-16D Block 32 19th Fighter Wing

The F-16C can fly at a maximum speed of 2125 km / h. The combat radius without conformal tanks in the configuration for air combat is up to 1700 km. The fighter is armed with one 20-mm M61A1 Vulcan cannon with 500 rounds; external suspensions can carry weapons, equipment and PTB with a total weight of up to 9276 kg. In combat configuration, the aircraft takes up to 5420 kg of weapons, including the AIM-9 Sidewinder and AIM-120 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles.

In the early 1990s, the South Korean government announced its intention to purchase a large batch of combat aircraft. Initially, the F / A-18 Hornet was declared the winner of the tender. However, due to allegations of corruption, the results of the competition were revised, and the ROKAF command opted for the F-16C / D Block 52D. According to the original contract, 12 fighters came assembled from the Lockheed Martin plant in Fort Worth, 36 were assembled by KAI from ready-made kits, 72 aircraft were built under license in Korea. The final implementation of this contract was completed in 1999. In 2000, an additional batch of 20 fighters was ordered, which were supposed to compensate for the natural loss of the F-16C / D Block 32 developing their resource. At the same time, the early modification aircraft underwent overhaul and modernization, for which about $ 2009 million was spent until 150 The full cost of the contract for the supply of the F-16C / D Block 52D was not disclosed, but as of 1999 the price of one fighter was $ 19 million.

The first 12 fighters, assembled at the KAI plant in Sacheon, were handed over to the customer in 1994. In ROKAF, these aircraft were designated KF-16. Korean-assembled fighters were equipped with Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229 engines with afterburner thrust of 12900 kgf, APG-68 (V) 7 radar with a detection range of air targets with EPR 1m² up to 70 km, guidance and navigation system LANTIRN. Like the F-15K heavy fighters assembled in Korea, the single-engine KF-16 received a number of advanced Korean-made electronic systems. Foreign experts note the very perfect ALQ-200K jamming equipment from LIG Nex1, as well as multifunctional liquid crystal displays and sighting equipment.


Fighters KF-16C

At the end of 2011, the Air Force of the Republic of Kazakhstan announced a competition for the modernization of the KF-16. Among other requirements, a cardinal improvement of the onboard radar was separately stipulated. The Raytheon Corporation pledged to supply the new radar. This station will be in many respects similar to that intended for the F-16V fighter. $ 134 billion has been allocated for the upgrade of avionics and the integration of weapons for 16 KF-1 aircraft. ROKAF has requested a separate upgrade of 35 F-16 Block 32, which will allow the use of new types of aircraft weapons and secure communications equipment. Part of the funds is planned to be spent on a diagnostic system and strengthening the airframe.

According to the reference data, the fleet of F-16C / D Block 32 and KF-16C / D in the South Korean Air Force is 118 single and 51 two-seat fighters. However, taking into account the fact that some of the aircraft were lost in flight accidents, written off due to wear and tear, are in the process of repair and modernization, there are no more than 140 fighters of the F-16 family in flight condition in ROKAF.


Satellite image of Google Earth: F-16 fighters at Cheongju airbase

Single-engine fighters of American and South Korean production are actively used and are regularly deployed to reserve air bases throughout the country, and also participate in joint exercises with the US Air Force.

Currently, most of the early F-16C / D Block 32 are assembled in the 19th Fighter Wing at Cheongju AFB. These aircraft are primarily intended for use as fighter-bombers. The task of fighting the air enemy is assigned to the newer KF-16C / D of local assembly.


Satellite image of Google Earth: F-16 fighters at the entrance to an underground shelter at Cheongju airbase, at the beginning of the runway there are F-4E fighters

At Sesan and Cheongju airbases for F-16 fighters there are highly protected shelters buried in the ground. Numerous taxiways, combined with two runways, ensure that aircraft are quickly taken out of cover and the entire wing is lifted into the air.

The ROKAF command expects that the upgraded KF-16C / D will remain in service for at least another 15 years. In the future, they are expected to be replaced by the American F-35A and the 5th generation KF-X fighters being created in South Korea.

F-5 fighters of the South Korean Air Force


Until the mid-1990s, the main fighters of the RoK Air Force were the F-5A Freedom Fighter and the F-5E Tiger II. Although the F-5s did not shine with outstanding flight performance and advanced avionics, they were relatively inexpensive to manufacture and maintain. These light fighters could be quickly mastered by intermediate pilots, and thanks to their simple and thoughtful design, they were popular with ground technicians.

The last F-5A / B fighters in service since 1965 were decommissioned in 2005, and the single-seat F-5E and two-seat F-5F are still quite numerous in ROKAF. This was facilitated by the fact that after the acquisition of the first batch of F-5E / F in 1974, the South Korean government decided to establish licensed production of these aircraft. The first Tiger-2 fighters, which received the Korean designation KF-5E / F Jegongho, entered combat squadrons in 1982. Until 1987, the South Korean Air Force accepted 48 KF-5E and 20 KF-5F built at the KAI facility in Sachon. Prior to that, Seoul received 126 F-5Es and 20 F-5Fs on favorable terms.


South Korean fighter KF-5E Jegongho

The flight data of the KF-5E did not differ much from the F-5E. A fighter with a maximum take-off weight of 11 kg could be accelerated by two General Electric J570-GE-85В turbojet engines with a total thrust on afterburner of 21 kgf up to 4534 km / h. Cruising flight speed - 1700 km / h. Combat radius with two AIM-850 Sidewinder missiles - up to 9 km. The KF-1070E is equipped with an AN / APQ-5 radar with an air target detection range of 159 km. To combat aerial targets, two 70-mm Ford M20A39 cannons with 2 rounds of ammunition and AIM-560 Sidewinder melee missiles could be used.


South Korean combat training fighter KF-5F Jegongho

In the mid-1990s, in order to improve the combat characteristics, a modernization program was proposed, within the framework of which it was planned to install a new radar. This innovation, in addition to increasing the detection range, was supposed to allow the use of the AIM-7M Sparrow medium-range missile launcher with a semi-active radar guidance system. However, in connection with the beginning of the licensed production of the F-16C / D during the overhaul of the F-5E / F and KF-5E / F, it was decided to do with the replacement of communication and navigation equipment.


Currently, F-5E / F fighters are considered obsolete. However, ROKAF currently has about 120 F-5E / F Tiger II and KF-5E / F Jegongho in its three fighter wings and training units. For a long period of time, these aircraft were the "workhorses" of the South Korean Air Force and, despite their long service life, were maintained in good technical condition. Taking into account the fact that the DPRK Air Force in its bulk is equipped with aircraft of the 1960-1970s, F-5 fighters could quite successfully withstand them in air combat and intercept at low altitudes.


Satellite image of Google Earth: KF-5E fighters at Gangneung airbase

Observers note that in 2019, the two-seater KF-5F Jegongho flew into the air, which were used to maintain the qualifications of the pilots and fly the required hours. Given that the Tiger-2 no longer meets modern requirements, and the maintenance of heavily worn aircraft is very costly, it can be expected that all F-5E / F and KF-5E / F will be decommissioned in the next few years.

F-4E fighters of the South Korean Air Force


According to information provided by World Air Forces 2020, ROKAF still has 69 F-4E Phantom II multirole fighters.


South Korean fighters F-4E Phantom II

The first F-4D Phantom IIs entered service with the South Korean Air Force in 1968. Prior to the arrival of the F-16C / D fighters in ROKAF, Phantoms were the only interceptors capable of using medium-range missiles at any time of the day and in difficult weather conditions.


Satellite image of Google Earth: F-4E Phantom II and F-5E Tiger II fighters at Cheongju airbase

However, judging by everything, the RK Air Force intends to finally part with this relic of the Cold War.


Satellite image of Google Earth: F-4E Phantom II fighters deposited at Cheongju airbase

According to information published in open sources, the 17th Fighter Wing, based in Cheongju and flying an F-4E, has been rearmed with American 5th generation F-35A fighters. The Phantoms of the 10th Fighter Wing, based in Suwon, were actively exploited until 2018.


Satellite image of Google Earth: F-4E Phantom II fighters at Suwon airbase

South Korean F-4E Phantom II, which are close to the exhaustion of the airframe and are in the final stage of their life cycle, formally being part of ROKAF, have been put into storage and will be written off after the arrival of new combat aircraft.

FА-50 fighters of the South Korean Air Force


In 2014, ROKAF adopted the FA-50 Golden Eagle light supersonic fighter. This aircraft was created jointly by KAI and Lockheed Martin on the basis of the T-50 Golden Eagle trainer. The contract for the delivery of the first batch of 20 FA-50 worth $ 600 million was signed in January 2012. In total, by the end of 2019, the KAI company had to transfer 60 light fighters to the customer.


Fighter FA-50 Golden Eagle

Initially, the T-50 was planned as a supersonic training aircraft for training pilots on the South Korean F-15K and KF-16C \ D, and was also considered as a light attack aircraft. The prototype T-50 Golden Eagle flew its first flight on August 20, 2002. The order for the first 25 T-50s was placed at the end of 2003.

After the T-50 confirmed its characteristics and proved itself well during trial operation, the question arose of creating a light supersonic fighter, which in the RK Air Force was supposed to replace the outdated F-5E / F.


Satellite image of Google Earth: T-50 and F-5E aircraft at Gwangju airbase

According to information published by KAI, the maximum take-off weight of the two-seater FA-50 Golden Eagle is 12300 kg. The aircraft uses a General Electric F404 turbofan engine with an afterburner produced under license in South Korea. The maximum engine thrust is 8045 kgf. The maximum flight speed at high altitude is 1650 km. Cruising speed - 980 km / h. Practical flight range - 1850 km. Weapons weighing up to 7 kg can be placed on 3000 suspension nodes. A three-barreled 20-mm cannon with 200 rounds of ammunition, as well as AIM-9 Sidewinder and AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles, can be used to engage air targets. The EL / M-2032 pulse-Doppler radar is intended for detecting air and surface targets, working in terrain mapping mode and using aircraft weapons. Airborne radar, developed by the Israeli company ELTA Systems, is capable of detecting an air target with an RCS of 5 sq. m at a distance of up to 100 km. The avionics F / A-50 includes the Link-16 data exchange system, radar warning equipment and night vision devices. The cockpit is equipped with colored multifunctional indicators and equipment for displaying information on the windshield.


Satellite image of Google Earth: FA-50 fighters at Sesan airbase

Currently, the 8th Fighter Wing, based in Wonju, and the 16th Fighter Wing, based in Yecheon, have 60 FA-50s. There is reason to believe that in the near future another contract will be signed for the supply of an additional batch of fighters, which will finally replace the F-5E / F.


In addition to the main home airfields, FA-50s are often transferred to other airbases, where there are also KF-16C / D and F-5E / F fighters. According to the representatives of the Air Force of the Republic of Kazakhstan, the multipurpose FA-50 is comparable in its characteristics to the KF-16D.

F-35A fighters of the South Korean Air Force


In March 2019, the first two F-35A Lightning II fifth-generation fighters arrived at the South Korean Cheongju airbase. The aircraft reached operational readiness at the end of the same year. In total, by 2021, Seoul within the largest stories A South Korean defense contract worth more than $ 7 billion is to receive a total of 40 such vehicles. By December 2019, the South Korean Air Force received 12 F-35A. As of mid-2020, ROKAF already had 15 Lightning 2 fighters.


South Korean fighter F-35A Lightning II

After the development of the F-35A Lightning II by South Korean pilots, the heavily worn F-4E Phantom II multi-role fighters, whose age has already exceeded 40 years, were finally withdrawn from the ROKAF combat composition.

Promising fighter KF-X


In 2010, the Republic of Korea and Indonesia entered into an agreement to jointly develop their own 5th generation fighter. The Indonesian government has agreed to finance 20% of the cost of building the KF-X in exchange for the delivery of 50 fighters upon successful completion of the project. Turkey also wanted to join the program. Ankara agreed to pay 20% of the cost of the program, but at the same time demanded access to all technologies.

Currently, within the framework of the KF-X program, an aircraft is being created, which, in terms of combat characteristics, should be no worse than the American F-16 Block 50 fighter, but at the same time have low radar and thermal signature. In addition, the designers were tasked with increasing the flight range by 50% and the service life by 30%.

The KF-X is being developed by the Korean Aerospace Industries. According to information published in the media, South Korea possesses 70% of the technology required to create its own 5th generation fighter, in connection with which an agreement was concluded with Lockheed Martin on technical support for the project.


Model fighter KF-X

According to available information, the maximum takeoff weight of the KF-X fighter should be 21000 kg. It is planned to use Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229 or General Electric F110-GE-129 engines as a power plant. Particular attention is paid to high acceleration characteristics, which should be higher than that of the American F-35A. This should enhance the KF-X's potential when used as an interceptor fighter.

It is reported that after the adoption of the KF-X into service, it will receive the designation F-33 Boramae. As of the end of 2019, several experimental prototypes were under construction. The first one is to take off in 2022. The start of serial construction is scheduled for 2026. South Korea plans to have 120 aircraft in service by 2032.

Critics of the KF-X program note that its implementation is associated with great risk, and if the United States refuses to share critical technologies, the adoption of the fighter into service may be postponed indefinitely. In addition, a number of experts believe that if a serial Korean fighter has the appearance of a mock-up, it will be significantly inferior to the American F-35A in terms of radar signature.

Fighter aircraft of the United States Air Force, stationed in South Korea



F-16C fighters of the 8th Fighter Wing over Kusan Air Base

In the Republic of Korea, there are two American air bases, Osan and Kusan, where a large grouping of combat aircraft with a total number of about 100 units is permanently deployed. The airbases have capital reinforced concrete shelters for aircraft, they are also permanently covered by the Patriot air defense system.


Satellite image of Google Earth: F-16 fighters of the 8th Fighter Wing of the United States Air Force at Kusan Air Base

The U.S. Air Force 7th Air Force, stationed in South Korea, is represented by the 8th Fighter Wing (42 F-16C / D) and the 51st Fighter Wing (36 F-16C / D belonging to the 36th Fighter Squadron, and 24 A-10C Thunderbolt II attack aircraft from the 25th Fighter Squadron).


F-16 fighters and A-10 attack aircraft of the 51st Fighter Wing at Osan Air Base

The United States Air Force 7th Air Force Command and ROKAF have established close interaction and joint exercises are regularly held. Kusan airbase also hosts KF-16C / D of the 38th Fighter Group of the Air Force of the Republic of Kazakhstan.


Layout of American air bases in South Korea

The total number of fighters of the Air Force of the Republic of Kazakhstan and the Air Force of the United States of America at South Korean air bases reaches 500 combat aircraft. Their flight range allows them to operate over a significant part of the Russian Far East. Not all South Korean combat aircraft are modern, and some of the outdated and heavily worn ROKAF fighters will be decommissioned in the next few years. However, for a relatively small country, South Korea has a solid number of fighters.


A US Air Force F-16C fighter from the 8th Fighter Wing takes off from a South Korean airbase

Comparison of the number of fighters of the Air Force of the Republic of Kazakhstan and the Air Force of the United States of America deployed on the territory of the Republic of Korea with the fighter group of the Red Banner 11th Army of the Air Force and Air Defense in the Khabarovsk and Primorsky Territories is quite indicative. According to information published in publicly available open sources, the 22nd IAP (Tsentralnaya Uglovaya and Sokolovka airfields) includes 12 Su-35S, 2 Su-30SM, 4 Su-30M2, 4 Su-27SM and 24 MiG-31BSM. At the Dzemgi airfield in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, the 23rd IAP is based, in which there are 24 Su-35S, 4 Su-30SM and 2 Su-30M2. Even if we do not take into account the outdated F-5E / F and light fighters FA-50, the comparison of the size of the fighter fleet will be very much not in our favor.

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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 7 August 2020 18: 16 New
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    Wonderful Air Force, from F-4 to F-35A and dummies. But ..... China will sweep everything into the sea, like from a chessboard ....... request .
    1. dzvero
      dzvero 7 August 2020 18: 41 New
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      This is unlikely to be an easy walk. 200+ modern fighters plus a hundred American ... in Europe only France and Turkey have something like that. For China to "sweep" them, it is necessary to collect all its fighters in one fist. And it's not a fact - the superiority will be threefold at best.
      1. Courier
        Courier 7 August 2020 18: 52 New
        +1
        Yes, he will not sweep away anyone. Chinese missiles air-to-air worse than the American ones, the breeo is worse, there is no need to talk about the quality of the flight personnel, what are they all about.
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 8 August 2020 10: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: Courier
          Chinese air-to-air missiles are worse than American missiles, brao is worse, and there is no need to talk about the quality of flight personnel

          Can you tell us how you determined it?
      2. Octopus
        Octopus 8 August 2020 13: 45 New
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        Quote: dzvero
        And it's not a fact - the superiority will be threefold at best.

        There is no such three-fold superiority there. Of the Chinese 1000+ fighters, the majority are Chinese MiG-21s. The Chinese counterparts F-16 and Su-30 are half of the strength.
        1. dzvero
          dzvero 8 August 2020 14: 18 New
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          According to public data, somewhere between 700-800 relatively modern Chinese products (copies of the Su, analogs of the F-16) plus about a hundred different Russian-made Su, i.e. in the amount of 800-900. If we calculate the volume of the spherical horse in a vacuum, the threefold excess is obtained. Theoretically ... Almost equality or a maximum of 1,5 to 1. And there is also Taiwan and Japan nearby, we also do not forget about India ...
          1. Octopus
            Octopus 8 August 2020 14: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: dzvero
            those. in the amount of 800-900

            As far as I remember, about 300 F-16 (J-10), about 200 Su-30 (J-11), about 100 Su-30 and Su-35 (the latter are very few) and a lot of all kinds of junk, namely 100 Su -27 production of the early 90s and hundreds of very much MiG-21 and Su-15. There is a quantitative superiority, but it is quite acceptable by the standards of the same Arab-Israeli wars.
            Of course, the training of pilots against such a background raises doubts, but here until it starts - you can't tell.
            1. Bongo
              9 August 2020 03: 05 New
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              Quote: Octopus
              As far as I remember, about 300 F-16 (J-10), about 200 Su-30 (J-11), about 100 Su-30 and Su-35 (the latter are very few) and a lot of all kinds of junk, namely 100 Su -27 production of the early 90s and hundreds of very much MiG-21 and Su-15. There is a quantitative superiority, but it is quite acceptable by the standards of the same Arab-Israeli wars.
              Of course, the training of pilots against such a background raises doubts, but here until it starts - you can't tell.

              Of course, I do not agree with the fact that in the event of an attack by the PRC on the ROK, the PLA Air Force will easily deal with ROKAF, but in terms of the qualitative and quantitative composition, you are operating with outdated data.

              Russian-made Su-27SK fighters were decommissioned in 2018 due to the exhaustion of the airframe resource. The PLA Air Force has more than 3000 aircraft, of which approximately 2100 are combat aircraft. In total, more than 1100 fighters can be used to accomplish the tasks of air defense and gain air superiority. The most valuable in this respect are heavy J-11A, J-11B / BS and J-11D - which in total there are no more than 300 units, and a significant part of them are "twin". There are also 96 Russian-made Su-30MKK / Su-30MK2 two-seat fighters. The situation with the double J-16 is not clear (the sources say that there are up to 100 units, but it seems to me that there are not so many of them). Chinese sources say that its main task is to combat naval targets and strike at pinpoint ground targets. The J-16 aircraft in many ways resembles the Russian Su-30MKK and was created to replace the JH-7 front-line bomber. In November 2018, the last of the 24 Su-35SK fighters ordered in Russia were delivered to the PRC.

              Until recently, the most numerous fighters in the PLA Air Force were the Chinese copies of the MiG-21: J-7D, J-7E, J-7G and two-seat trainer JJ-7. As of 2018, there were about 300 aircraft in service. At the moment, they are being actively replaced by modern light fighters of the J-10 family. In 2019, more than 300 J-10A / B / C aircraft were operated in fighter regiments. Given that the production capacity of the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation is able to build 50 aircraft per year, it can be assumed that the J-10 fighters will replace the J-7 in the next few years.

              As for the Chinese functional analogue of the Su-15, the number of J-8II delta-wing interceptors is constantly decreasing. In 2017, 8 fighter air regiments were equipped with interceptors of the J-8IIDF, J-8IIF and J-6IIH modifications in the PLA Air Force, another 1 regiment on the J-8H was in the naval aviation. Judging by the satellite images of the Chinese air bases, at least two regiments are now re-equipped with J-11s.

              According to The Military Balance 2018, the annual flight time of pilots of Chinese elite fighter units can reach or even exceed 200 hours. The PLA Air Force is quite careful about preserving the resource of modern fighters, and a significant part of flight hours is recruited on training aircraft and outdated fighters. At the same time, in air regiments armed with J-7 and J-8 fighters, the number of flight hours accumulated per year, in most cases, does not exceed 100.
              1. Octopus
                Octopus 9 August 2020 06: 53 New
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                Quote: Bongo
                you are operating with outdated data.

                Probably.
                Quote: Bongo
                300 aircraft J-10А / В / С.

                Quote: Bongo
                J -11А, J -11В / ВS and J -11D - of which there are no more than 300 units in total

                Quote: Bongo
                96 two-seat fighters Su-30MKK / Su-30MK2

                Quote: Bongo
                24 Su-35SK fighters ordered in Russia

                That is, not 600 relatively modern machines, but about 700? OK.
                1. Bongo
                  9 August 2020 11: 21 New
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                  Quote: Octopus
                  That is, not 600 relatively modern machines, but about 700? OK.

                  Let's count together. Let 300 be different versions of J-11. The number of Su-30MKK, Su-30MK2 and Su-35SK is known reliably -120 machines. Fighters of the 5th generation J-20 are equipped with one regiment - about 30 aircraft. It is not clear how many multipurpose J-16s? The fact that there are about a hundred of them, I do not believe. no Let it be 50 units. The number of lungs J-10 is also not reliably known. They write that there are more than 300, but how many of them are actually not clear. Those. about 800 modern fighters.
                  Given that the serial construction of the most advanced modification of the J-7G with the KLJ-6E radar (licensed copy of the Italian Pointer-2500 radar) was completed in 2013, it is being actively replaced by the J-10. According to satellite imagery, the number of J-7s in the PLA Air Force is rapidly declining. Over the past 3-4 years, more than half of the air units previously armed with J-7 light fighters have switched to the new J-10. I don’t know how in the PRC, but in the USSR the resource of the MiG-21 airframe was about 2000 hours, which is about 10 years of active operation.
                  1. Octopus
                    Octopus 9 August 2020 19: 00 New
                    0
                    Quote: Bongo
                    It is not clear how many multipurpose J-16s?

                    Zero.

                    I do not count these machines when considering fighting for air.
                    1. zyablik.olga
                      zyablik.olga 9 August 2020 23: 57 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Octopus
                      I do not count these machines when considering fighting for air.

                      Strange. what Do you think the F-15TE and the Su-30MK?
                      1. Octopus
                        Octopus 10 August 2020 00: 22 New
                        +2
                        I perceived these machines as an analogue of the Su-34.

                        While you may be right, I should correct my perception.
    2. dauria
      dauria 7 August 2020 23: 18 New
      -1
      But ..... China will sweep everything into the sea, like from a chessboard ......

      It's strange that they don't believe you. For China, a united Korea is inconceivable. Red line. A treaty on aid by troops, not just equipment. Lots of meetings of leaders, secret and not so. South Koreans are actually hostages living on the beachhead. And so something, and in the case of batching the United States-China to swim in the sea.
      There are also serious analyzes from serious people. At least this.
      EVOLUTION OF PRC-DPRK RELATIONS AT THE END OF XX - EARLY XXI V Lantsova Irina Sergeevna - Candidate of Political Science, Associate Professor,

      St. Petersburg State University;
      https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/evolyutsiya-otnosheniy-knr-i-kndr-v-kontse-xx-nachale-xxi-v
      1. Octopus
        Octopus 8 August 2020 00: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: dauria
        For China, a united Korea is unthinkable

        A united Korea is unthinkable for the Republic of Korea. There is no way to justify the existence of 25 million defective Koreans who cannot play Starcraft and dance the Gunnam style, and there is no way to quickly destroy all these people without unacceptable image damage. They don't talk about it out of politeness, but Comrade Kim, who keeps these unfortunate savages behind barbed wire, is doing the rest of humanity a great service.

        As for the PRC, the Chinese do not need a crazy relative for nothing, nor do they need money. And Kim has no money.

        Quote: dauria
        There are serious analyzes from serious people.

        Serious people - is this about so-called Russian scientists?
        1. dauria
          dauria 8 August 2020 00: 48 New
          0
          Serious people - is this about so-called Russian scientists?


          Do you want to take their place? Please ... it's not difficult there. Come to the personnel department of the university - and you will immediately be given a degree, position, students and salary.
          As for the PRC, the Chinese do not need a crazy relative for nothing, nor do they need money.

          They need a buffer between the PRC and the US Expeditionary Force. And they will keep it at any cost. The Chinese are too strong for anyone to force them to leave the strategically important territory.
          However - try to expel the Americans from the Baltic States, well, Ukraine to the extreme. Or is there love for the local civilized population? Probably love. After all, not "wild" North Koreans.
          1. Octopus
            Octopus 8 August 2020 01: 58 New
            +4
            Quote: dauria
            Do you want to take their place?

            What for?
            Quote: dauria
            US Expeditionary Force

            What a horror, a whole division. It is certainly worth feeding such a friend with an atomic bomb and his 25 million wildlings, and even giving him haloperidol in time.
            Quote: dauria
            try to expel Americans from the Baltic states, well, Ukraine

            Who, should I try this? You see, if the citizens of these countries start to organize ethnic cleansing in themselves, it will not be the Americans, not them at all.
          2. Maki maki
            Maki maki 8 August 2020 09: 45 New
            10
            Quote: dauria
            They need a buffer between the PRC and the US Expeditionary Force. And they will keep it at any cost

            In general, I agree. Ideally, it would be better for China to squeeze the ILC into the sea. The Korean War showed that a piece of coastline with a loyal regime for the United States was of great help. But for China at the moment this is from the area of ​​wants.
    3. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 8 August 2020 10: 27 New
      +5
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Wonderful Air Force, from F-4 to F-35A and dummies. But ..... China will sweep everything into the sea, like from a chessboard ...

      It will not work easily. Beijing still hasn't decided what to say about the Taiwan problem about South Korea.no Given the fairly high degree of combat capability of the South Korean Air Force and the number of medium and long-range air defense systems, the Chinese aviation will pay a very high price. Yes, and the otvetka can be hot. Given that there are American military bases in the ROK, this will inevitably mean an armed conflict with the United States. With a high degree of probability, Taiwan and Japan will also get involved in it. Does China need it? no
      1. Octopus
        Octopus 8 August 2020 14: 06 New
        +5
        Quote: zyablik.olga
        Yes, and the answer can be

        Quote: zyablik.olga
        With a high degree of probability, Taiwan and Japan will also get involved in it.

        The situation in East Asia is ironic in its own way. On the one hand, the PRC exchanges pleasantries with the United States, on the other hand, everyone understands perfectly well that the US withdrawal from the region would be a disaster for the PRC from a military-strategic point of view. Korea and Japan have their own space rockets and their own production nuclear reactors, so that one with the other will be connected in a matter of months, if not weeks, for Taiwan (nuclear power plants, suborbital flights) it can take several years, and Vietnam, suddenly, turns out to be a country with the size and population of Germany and, hmm, inexplicable interest to a peaceful atom.
        1. Postum
          Postum 9 August 2020 21: 34 New
          0
          Quite right! In addition, the ASEAN countries in terms of the numerical strength of the armed forces already surpass the PLA, and this is not counting Japan, Taiwan and India, which is very friendly to the PRC.
    4. English tarantas
      English tarantas 8 August 2020 19: 27 New
      +3
      + Japanese Air Force, American Pacific and a little bit of all kinds of Australia, Taiwan, maybe Canada. Don't talk about the Russian Air Force in the Far East, it hurts.
  2. Sarkazm
    Sarkazm 7 August 2020 18: 33 New
    +5
    Thank you for the interesting review of the fighter aircraft of the South Caucasus Air Force.
  3. Courier
    Courier 7 August 2020 18: 49 New
    -7
    24 A-10C Thunderbolt II attack aircraft from the 25th Fighter Squadron


    Haha, this is really old school. Brrrt
  4. Postum
    Postum 7 August 2020 19: 29 New
    +5
    Well, well done Koreans
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  6. vffhhj
    vffhhj 7 August 2020 19: 38 New
    +1
    UK Air Force, serious hemorrhoids for the PRC Air Force.
  7. Elysium
    Elysium 7 August 2020 19: 57 New
    +3
    It would be interesting to compare with what the DPRK has against this all.
    1. dauria
      dauria 7 August 2020 20: 56 New
      -6
      what does the DPRK have against it all


      China. This is quite enough. He will not allow a "united Germany", as we do. Indiana Jones did not need sword fighting.
    2. smart fellow
      smart fellow 8 August 2020 02: 18 New
      -4
      Long-range MLRS with a caliber of 600 mm
      According to data from South Korea, the two missiles flew about 380 kilometers and reached an altitude of 97 kilometers. It was also reported that they were able to reach a hypersonic speed of Mach 6,5 in flight.
      And tactical missiles
      The missiles flew about 450 km at an altitude of about 37 km, the speed of the products was M - 6,9. Whereas conventional short-range missiles fly purely along a ballistic trajectory, the products of the Russian operational-tactical complex Iskander vigorously maneuver throughout the difficult-to-predict flight path. The Iskander rocket maneuvers especially actively at the start and end of the flight. At the latter, it approaches the target with a high (20-30 units) overload, which makes it less vulnerable to missile defense systems. It is precisely these signs of the behavior of Kim Jong-un's new missiles that were recorded by South Korean tracking devices.
      Reinforced-concrete hangars will be destroyed along with the super sophisticated planes of the Republic of Kazakhstan and the USA. North Korean MiGs will be opposed by FA-50 and F-5.
      As before, the main danger is the US bases in Okinawa (it was the bases in Japan that made it possible to defend the Busan bridgehead, which was stormed by 150 thousand groups of the Korean People's Army, trying to throw 300 thousand UN troops into the sea. Transports went between Japan and Korea like shuttles, shells were unloaded and they were immediately taken to artillery positions.The line of defense passed along the Naktong River and the Americans created a round-the-clock barrage along the river, preventing the Koreans from crossing.) and Guam, but missiles with weapons of mass destruction must be used against them. otherwise you will not be enough missiles - this is problematic because Americans have 3 orders of magnitude more weapons of mass destruction and a low barrier to their use.
      1. smart fellow
        smart fellow 8 August 2020 10: 49 New
        -5
        However, if the South Korean naval bases are destroyed, then they will only have a naval base on Jeju Island, which they are building together with the Americans. Then 70+ submarines, coupled with hypersonic anti-ship missiles, which should go into service, will pose a serious threat to the American AUG and the ability to deliver reinforcements and weapons by sea. As one resident of South Korea, who apparently does not appreciate the fighting qualities of the South Korean army, wrote on social networks, North Korea will capture South Korea in 3 days. Smartphones won't help here.
        1. Octopus
          Octopus 8 August 2020 13: 51 New
          +7
          Where do these indoor Napoleons come from?
          Quote: smart fellow
          As one resident of South Korea wrote ... on social media

          Yeah, you just have to sit down and cry.
          Quote: smart fellow
          then the products of the Russian operational-tactical complex "Iskander" vigorously maneuver

          OTRK Iskander called Hyunmoo is in service of South Korea 10 years. The fourth modernization is already sawing.
          Quote: smart fellow
          Long-range MLRS with a caliber of 600 mm

          The weapon of savages and rogues who cannot afford high precision.
          1. smart fellow
            smart fellow 8 August 2020 15: 38 New
            -6
            Are you the one who dabbled in Russian weapons, dear seafood?
            1. Octopus
              Octopus 8 August 2020 15: 47 New
              +4
              Quote: smart fellow
              You are the one who is now obsessed with Russian weapons

              It?
              Quote: Octopus
              Weapons of savages and rogues who cannot afford high precision

              I dabbled in area weapons.
              1. smart fellow
                smart fellow 8 August 2020 15: 48 New
                -4
                What's the difference from what you die? From a high-precision satellite-guided missile or an inertial-guided missile.
              2. smart fellow
                smart fellow 8 August 2020 16: 16 New
                -3
                It?
                Do BR and KR Hyunmoo and Iskander have equal opportunities?
                Weapons of savages and rogues who cannot afford high precision

                Large-caliber MLRS are in service with the PRC, USA and Russia. At the same time, the military budgets of the United States and China occupy the first places in the world in terms of their size. Are they rogue and savages too?
                1. Octopus
                  Octopus 8 August 2020 16: 27 New
                  +2
                  Quote: smart fellow
                  rocket with an inertial guidance system.

                  The guidance system removes weapons from the category of reactive systems salvo fire.
                  Quote: smart fellow
                  Are they rogue and savages too?

                  There is no USA, they have remade MLRS into OTRK for quite a long time, and cannon artillery has long been successfully solving the problems of area destruction. China and Russia - yes, of course.
                  Quote: smart fellow
                  BR and KR Hyunmoo and Iskander

                  Very unlikely. Based on the general scientific and technical level of the countries, the capabilities of the Korean model should be expected to be much higher.

                  Let me remind you that your initial sketch seemed like a North Korean analogue of Iskander, not a Russian product. It seems you did not accuse Voentorg of the INF trade. Such accusations, if they are heard at the official level, I note, can cost the Russian side dearly.
                  1. smart fellow
                    smart fellow 8 August 2020 16: 48 New
                    -2
                    The guidance system takes weapons out of the category of multiple launch rocket systems.

                    380 km without guidance system is absurd. This system is called MLRS.
                    Based on the general scientific and technical level of the countries, the capabilities of the Korean model should be expected to be much higher.

                    All the same they were charming.
                    the original outline seemed (touched?) North Korean counterpart Iskander, not a Russian product.

                    It is precisely these signs of the behavior of Kim Jong-un's new missiles that were recorded by South Korean tracking devices.
                    cannon artillery has been successfully solving the problems of area destruction for a long time

                    So far there are no such cannons that throw shells at 380 km, and besides, it is necessary to destroy reinforced concrete hangars with aircraft. Precision tomahawks have failed in Syria.
                    Such accusations, if they are heard at the official level, I note, can cost the Russian side dearly.

                    Charges are not money, they can be scattered. This 600mm system is unique and the largest in the world.
                    Are they rogue and savages too? China and Russia - yes, of course.

                    Again Russia ... respected seafood.
                    1. Liam
                      Liam 8 August 2020 16: 59 New
                      +2
                      Quote: smart fellow
                      Still dazzled

                      Is it news for you that the general scientific, technical and technological level of the modern Republic of Kazakhstan is higher than that of the modern RF?
                      1. KKND
                        KKND 8 August 2020 17: 26 New
                        0
                        Quote: Liam
                        Is it news for you that the general scientific, technical and technological level of the modern Republic of Kazakhstan is higher than that of the modern RF?

                        A very controversial and unfounded statement. Yes, neither you nor I can even by eye compare the general scientific and technical levels of Russia and the Republic of Kazakhstan. To do this, you need to be a very competent scientist in many areas at once, and such people do not sit on the Internet (I mean ours available to us), let alone in such a respected forum.
                      2. Liam
                        Liam 8 August 2020 17: 38 New
                        0
                        Quote: KKND
                        even by eye

                        Go to the nearest electrical appliance store if other more complex methods are not available to you
                      3. KKND
                        KKND 8 August 2020 17: 52 New
                        -2
                        go to the Koreans and ask them that they do not build submarines with nuclear reactors and BRs, they do not launch rockets into space, there are essentially no nuclear technologies, 5-generation aircraft, only their tank has finally been built by 2017, it seems, without a licensed transmission and engine. Back in the 00s, the Kamov company wanted to learn how to build helicopters, for money, but we sent them.
                        Quote: Liam
                        Go to your nearest electrical appliance store

                        Well, the store will answer such a complex question. wassat
                        As soon as you start disassembling their smartphones and tablets, it turns out that the processors (the most complex devices) are developed in the USA or England, the OS is written in the USA, many other components are also developed from the USA, the most difficult part is licensed. Produced from Chinese rare earths, according to cunning schemes. Korean work there is also invested and considerable, but without the United States they would not have succeeded.
                        They produce good cars, but now only the lazy is not engaged in this, he is not drawn to advanced technologies.
                        What about the proofs? Or will you find it yourself, so as not to be disgraced?
                      4. Liam
                        Liam 8 August 2020 18: 08 New
                        0
                        Quote: KKND
                        come in

                        Even in your supernumerary collective farm where strangers are poked, you should be aware that BRs, nuclear reactors and nuclear bombs are being built by such advanced technological powers as Iran, North Korea and Pakistan, and these devices are NOT building such backward economies as Germany or Italy, for example.
                      5. KKND
                        KKND 8 August 2020 18: 26 New
                        0
                        Quote: Liam
                        BRs, nuclear reactors and nuclear bombs are being built by such advanced technological powers as Iran, North Korea and Pakistan, and these devices are NOT building such backward economies as Germany or Italy, for example.

                        So that's why it's difficult to define. We would also collect and cost a lot if the West sold / gave us licenses and generally taught us how Koreans. And so it is with their mind, espionage. For a lot of money, we buy old licenses for prots, old AMD production lines that have half-tested their resource.
                        Nevertheless, in order to make such devices, even in Germany or the Republic of Kazakhstan, which is so advanced in terms of technology, one also needs to be able to do this in practice and not in theory.
                        As I said, it is not with your mind to compare the level of technology in Russia or Germany or the Republic of Kazakhstan, somewhere we know more somewhere they are, but in general only a team of specialists can figure it out. You declare categorically. At least they wrote IMHO for decency.
                      6. Liam
                        Liam 8 August 2020 18: 55 New
                        0
                        With you
                        Quote: KKND
                        With your mind

                        may and

                        Quote: KKND
                        difficult to define.


                        why all these nuclear bells and whistles are being built (if desired) by all and sundry, including such technologically backward countries as Iran and the DPRK with Pakistan, and for what reasons.
                        And educated people understand without IMHO that this is by no means evidence of a special advancement of scientific and technical thought and technological level. If desired, the same nuclear reactors and bombs can potentially be built by at least 2 dozen more countries, from the aforementioned Germany, Italy, Sweden, Spain, Canada to Ukraine, South Africa, Brazil and Saudi Arabia. But they do not do this for (primarily) economic, as well as environmental and political reasons. All there are non-proliferation treaties and so on.
                        The general technological level of economies is determined by other criteria, and there, without IMHO, Germany is higher than Pakistan, and the South Caucasus is higher than the Russian Federation.
                      7. KKND
                        KKND 8 August 2020 19: 36 New
                        0
                        Quote: Liam
                        And educated people understand without IMHO

                        Standard manipulation a la all smart people know what to substitute the thesis further. True, it is not clear why you only stopped at nuclear technologies, I also wrote about space, aviation and shipbuilding.
                        Quote: Liam
                        The general technological level of economies is determined by other criteria

                        Criteria for the studio. It is unlikely that you will clearly write the criteria for the technological level of economies.
                        Quote: Liam
                        If desired, the same nuclear reactors and bombs can potentially build at least another 2

                        If desired, this is the key word, but it hardly occurred to you why it is not so simple and why everything is so arranged.
                        I could roughly explain to you how it works, but after
                        Quote: Liam
                        But they do not do this for (primarily) economic, as well as environmental and political reasons.

                        I realized that I was dealing with a philistine man in the street, with a head filled with propaganda, and there was no desire to explain something at all. Or don't figure it out. Excuse me. I am finishing my communication with you on this topic.
                      8. Liam
                        Liam 8 August 2020 19: 44 New
                        +1
                        Quote: KKND
                        conclude

                        Mourn
                        Quote: KKND
                        shipbuilding also wrote

                        It's even embarrassing. Comparing the shipbuilding of the South Caucasus and the Russian Federation is like shooting at the Red Cross.
                        Quote: KKND
                        jam-packed with propaganda

                        your head ashamed to voice the numbers in this industry)
              3. Octopus
                Octopus 8 August 2020 20: 56 New
                +1
                Quote: KKND
                rockets are not launched into space, there are essentially no nuclear technologies, 5-generation aircraft

                I will notice afterwards that the owner minds mind is not a reader, but a writer. Because the Korean nuclear industry and space program were mentioned even in this thread.
                Quote: KKND
                Korean work there is also invested and considerable, but without the United States, they would not have succeeded.

                Juche is a separate obligatory item. Say, Japan or Germany, which have a luxurious place in the production chains of Boeing and Airbus, respectively, do not have their own aircraft industry, and some Russia, which has only thieves of its own, has the big three world aircraft manufacturers.
              4. KKND
                KKND 8 August 2020 23: 44 New
                0
                Quote: Octopus
                Because the Korean nuclear industry and space program were mentioned even in this thread.

                Yes, yes, the Koreans have bypassed us in the nuclear industry and in space, be creative further. It was about comparing Russia and the Republic of Korea, and not that the Koreans have no idea of ​​atomic physics and rocketry. They seem to run Cheto. Read the thread carefully.
                Quote: Octopus
                Juche is a separate obligatory item.

                Che? Have I become a jingoistic patriot? Cool. wassat
                Quote: Octopus
                Say, Japan or Germany, which have a luxurious place in the production chains of Boeing and Airbus, respectively, do not have their own aircraft industry, and some Russia, which has only thieves of its own, is in the "big three" of world aircraft producers.

                It was about electronics, where the Republic of Kazakhstan has a great place in the production chains. Which they were given, and they can take away if they misbehave. Or how? Will RK hold out if the licenses for the proc are taken away?
                Yes, the West would gladly integrate us into their production chains, but our thieves actively do not give it to him. Oh, what not good people prefer to steal a trifle because a Soviet person must live in asceticism. wassat And in the West, there is basically no corruption and thieves, you can build production chains, but the truth is, in the Republic of Kazakhstan, corporations are owned by families, but everything is only deserved there.
                Everything is much more complicated. One has already tried to compare the technological levels of the countries of Russia and the Republic of Kazakhstan as an expert on all issues, I told him that this is not his mind's level (as well as not mine). What are you aiming at?
              5. Octopus
                Octopus 9 August 2020 02: 48 New
                +2
                Quote: KKND
                Yes, yes, the Koreans bypassed us in the nuclear industry and in space

                It's not that difficult. Everything that YK created, she created herself or with outside help. Everything that the Russian Federation allegedly created, she found in the trash, which was left behind by the vanished empire of evil. Basically, of course, the evil empire left behind a weapon, this is quite logical.
                Quote: KKND
                Which they were given, and they can take away if they misbehave. Or how? Will RK hold out if the licenses for the proc are taken away?

                Considerations of this kind are relevant for countries that have only the army and navy as their allies. Normal countries have their place in international value chains, and they are trying to shove their asses with their neighbors to make this place wider.

                To shove, I repeat, and not to burn into nuclear ashes, as another speaker here fantasized.
                Quote: KKND
                One has already tried the technological levels of the countries of Russia and the Republic of Kazakhstan

                It was me who threw at the fan about the technological levels. And yes, your thoughtful reasoning about not everything so clearly draws you brightly enough.
                Quote: KKND
                Have I become a jingoistic patriot?

                I would use other terms.
              6. KKND
                KKND 9 August 2020 06: 29 New
                0
                Quote: Octopus
                It was me who threw at the fan about the technological levels.

                Well, why are you so openly burned what are you doing on the forum? People like you in a decent society are rightly called a rude swear word and ignore and do not shake hands. What I'll do. It is a pity that you, together with the previous opponent, have led me to such a semblance of discussion, that next time I will be more careful. Continue your hard work.
              7. Dimon Krasnodar
                Dimon Krasnodar 19 September 2020 17: 07 New
                0
                https://ruxpert.ru/%D0%A1%D1%84%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%8B_%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8
              8. Dimon Krasnodar
                Dimon Krasnodar 19 September 2020 17: 09 New
                -1
                The Republic of Korea did not stand next to Russia in terms of "its" technologies. And see for yourself about leadership in certain segments of the economy. Therefore, there is no need here for fables about technological chains.
      2. vindigo
        vindigo 9 August 2020 22: 16 New
        -1
        The topvar said about the Korean car industry that Japan became its basis. From there, all these technologies and licenses were sold. Koreans try not to advertise this, since Japan is a sworn enemy and it is a shame.
  • KKND
    KKND 8 August 2020 17: 30 New
    -1
    Quote: smart fellow
    Then 70+ submarines, coupled with hypersonic anti-ship missiles, which should go into service,

    What are you talking about? why not 700+ PLs? Have you injected a little?
    Quote: smart fellow
    As one resident of South Korea, who apparently does not appreciate the fighting qualities of the South Korean army, wrote in social networks, North Korea will capture South Korea in 3 days.

    As one obscure type wrote on a Russian forum. Of course you have to believe him.
    1. smart fellow
      smart fellow 10 August 2020 07: 22 New
      +1
      The fleet includes ... 4 Soviet submarines of project 613, 23 Chinese and Soviet submarines of project 033 (project 633), 29 small submarines of the Sang-O project, more than 20 midget submarines ...
      Link to Wikipedia https://is.gd/mfM6Ci
      It turns out 76. Plus 2 missile submarines built in recent years - search the Internet for non-believer Thomas.
      As for the South Korean army, according to the agreement between the United States and the ROK, the military command of the combined forces in case of war should be carried out by the Americans. Several years ago, this clause of the treaty ended and the command was to go to the South Koreans. But at the request of the South Korean generals, the ROK government asked the United States to extend this clause of the treaty.
      No need to splash saliva, if you don’t believe, it’s better to look on the Internet.
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 7 August 2020 22: 11 New
    +2
    We are waiting for the continuation.
  • KKND
    KKND 8 August 2020 17: 40 New
    0
    Quote: dauria
    It's strange that they don't believe you.

    It is strange that they believe you.
    Quote: dauria
    There are also serious analyzes from serious people. At least this.
    EVOLUTION OF PRC-DPRK RELATIONS AT THE END OF XX - EARLY XXI V Lantsova Irina Sergeevna - Candidate of Political Science, Associate Professor,

    This one without a doubt serious takes exactly 9 pages.
  • vindigo
    vindigo 8 August 2020 18: 52 New
    -2
    What's the use of these planes for the South Koreans? They are dying out. Extremely low fertility. Soon there will be no one to put in tanks and planes. Some old people will remain.
    1. KKND
      KKND 8 August 2020 19: 40 New
      +6
      Quote: vindigo
      They are dying out

      While we are waiting for them to die out, we ourselves would not die out.
      1. vindigo
        vindigo 9 August 2020 11: 07 New
        -1
        It's really faster there. National problem.
        1. Postum
          Postum 9 August 2020 21: 40 New
          0
          The North is doing even worse
          1. vindigo
            vindigo 9 August 2020 22: 03 New
            +1
            In 2019, the birth rate in the DPRK is 1,9, in the Republic of Kazakhstan - -1.1. A couple of weeks ago, the Minister of Finance of the Republic of Kazakhstan announced a reduction in taxes collected from physicists due to the beginning of a decrease in the number of the working population. And in the universities of the Republic of Kazakhstan they announced a decrease in those wishing to study. The competition dropped by one place.
            1. Postum
              Postum 10 August 2020 00: 32 New
              0
              Trusting the statistics of northerners is such a thing, in any case, for at least 10 years, the Republic of Kazakhstan will have an advantage in mob. potential. And then autonomous robotic systems will help
              1. vindigo
                vindigo 10 August 2020 03: 55 New
                +1
                On the site where I took statistics on the DPRK, it is written that it is based on American sources. Can't you trust them too? You have reviewed my science fiction films about the terminator (autonomous robotic systems). At factories of the Republic of Kazakhstan, manual labor of gaster is used. Thanks to China, the DPRK is now rising even better than Russia. About the mobilization potential of the Republic of Kazakhstan. I talked about this with the southerners. They are just afraid of a well-trained and motivated North Korean soldier for 7 years.
                1. Postum
                  Postum 10 August 2020 12: 22 New
                  0
                  As for robotic systems, turrets with machine guns are already on the border with the DPRK
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 11 August 2020 15: 06 New
    -1
    The Air Force of the Protectorate of the Republic of Kazakhstan is a waste of money on unnecessary aircraft. In a large-scale conflict only with the DPRK (not to mention the PRC), these aircraft will not be of any use.
    War will only take place if the US attacks the DPRK with the participation of the army, air force and navy of the protectorate.
    The DPRK Air Force has approximately two-fold superiority in fighters. There will be no air battles at long and medium distances. Aerodrome with concrete strips will be out of order in the first hours of the conflict. It is highly doubtful that radar and satellite navigation can be used in an electronic jamming environment.
    In a few days, the KPA ground forces will sweep away everything on the ground and capture all the air bases of the protectorate.
  • Alexander Yaroshenko
    Alexander Yaroshenko 13 August 2020 05: 17 New
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    Yes, the remnants of the former power will be razed in a steeper way than in 41 in the event of a big mess