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We criticize, but do not cross the "red line": how and what Belarusian media write about Russia

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Recently, relations between Russia and Belarus - two fraternal and still allied states - have given a noticeable crack. Against this background, it is interesting to assess the view of Russia and Russian politics of the Belarusian mass media.


The attitude towards Russia has changed even among the pro-government media


If a few years ago, not to mention the first decade of the XNUMXs, the Belarusian media in their attitude towards Russia were clearly divided into official, well-disposed, and pro-Western - oppositional, criticizing Minsk for friendship with Russia, now “everything is confused in the house Alexander Grigorievich ". Criticism of Russia comes from both pro-government and opposition media.

Edition “Belarusian news”, Which belongs to the opposition, has recently made a number of publications criticizing the policy of the Russian Federation towards Belarus. For example, Russia is accused of an attempt on the tax sovereignty of the Belarusian state. At the same time, the publicist Igor Rynkevich in his article calls Lukashenka's rule “collective farm Bonapartism” and draws attention to the fact that the “dad” is looking for external enemies not only in the West, but also in the person of Russia.

BelGazeta, analyzing the incident with the detention of Russians - alleged PMC employees, concludes that even after such an incident, Moscow has no other way but to support Lukashenko:

It is worth recalling that Moscow is limited in maneuver: only one candidate has the status of “pro-Russian” in the current campaign, only he is inclined towards Belarusian-Russian integration, although he suspects its partners of “dirty intentions”. All the rest openly speak out against the Union State.

"Soft negative" of the Belarusian press


“Belorusskiye Novosti” raises another aspect of the incident with the Russians: according to experts interviewed by the newspaper's correspondents, despite Ukraine’s striving to get its hands on the Russians detained in Belarus, Lukashenka will never do it, since he will not want to cross a certain “red line” in relations with Moscow.

But these words about the "red line", which President Lukashenko is afraid to cross, are fully applicable to the majority of Belarusian publications. In general, the rhetoric of the Belarusian media towards Russia can be characterized as “mildly negative”. On the one hand, Belarusian mass media try to refrain from excessively harsh attacks in the spirit of the Ukrainian or Baltic press - friendship between peoples and state censorship are affecting.

On the other hand, both oppositional and pro-government publications do not forget to "pin up" Russia, as well as to draw attention to the importance for modern Belarus of finding its own political path and weakening economic dependence on Russia. It is not for nothing that the Belarusian press constantly raises the topic of the importance and profitability of cooperation with the West, and also focuses on insufficient support from the Russian state.

It is clear that Lukashenka himself is now in a difficult situation: the West and the opposition do not want to see him as the head of the Belarusian state, but Russia has accumulated certain claims to the “father”. Such ambiguity of the situation cannot but affect the information policy of the Belarusian state and its authorities.
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  1. Woodman
    Woodman 6 August 2020 16: 05
    12
    and Lukashenka himself is now in a difficult situation: the West and the opposition do not want to see him as the head of the Belarusian state, but Russia has accumulated certain claims to the “father”.
    I would have behaved like an ally and would not have known grief ...
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 6 August 2020 16: 07
      21
      Quote: Lesovik
      I would have behaved like an ally and would not have known grief ...

      Yes, at least how Homo sapiens.
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 6 August 2020 16: 24
        24
        Instrugent, lukashenko is a rare subspecies related to homo wantedus freebies vechnus negative
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 6 August 2020 16: 30
          16
          Quote: Thrifty
          lukashenka is a rare subspecies related to homo wantedus khalyavus vechnus

          Until recently, such Homo were massively found on the outskirts, but the Maidan-virus mutation transformed them into Nazi-ukrobanderlogus
          1. Thrifty
            Thrifty 6 August 2020 17: 12
            -6
            Instrugent, and they, too, are from a freebie vechnus mnogus! And most importantly, there should be no responsibility for their actions. ...
            1. BecmepH
              BecmepH 6 August 2020 17: 59
              +5
              Quote: Thrifty
              Instrugent,

              As soon as the word was not distorted. Copy, sweetie and do not offend the person.
        2. Kisa
          Kisa 6 August 2020 17: 41
          -2
          every day there is one or two articles for Father and we kick him with gusto. with him like everything is clear old senile and all that. Well, at least one article squeeze here for Tikhonovskaya type of new faces of Belarus ... and do not write. Is it because any alternative But father is a loss of the Kremlin ..... can there be such a pun ???
          1. BecmepH
            BecmepH 6 August 2020 18: 01
            +3
            Quote: kitty
            any alternative But father is a loss

            That's more accurate. And what does the Kremlin have to do with it? It would be necessary and the dad would bend over. Not?
            1. Vladimir Romanov_2
              Vladimir Romanov_2 7 August 2020 12: 39
              0
              MONEY RULES EVERYTHING! "Bending" a ruler like "father" is not a problem! What then?
              1. BecmepH
                BecmepH 7 August 2020 16: 58
                0
                Quote: Vladimir Romanov_2
                MONEY RULES EVERYTHING! "Bending" a ruler like "father" is not a problem! What then?

                Therefore, they bent down
          2. sedoj
            sedoj 6 August 2020 20: 03
            +7
            I think that Tikhanovskaya in Belarus is Zelensky in Ukraine. They will vote for her only because of the protest.
          3. Shadow041
            Shadow041 6 August 2020 20: 26
            16
            First of all, this is not a loss for the Kremlin, but a loss of the Republic of Belarus, which stepped on the rake of Ukraine, and now there will be fewer talkers in the Kremlin who feed us with tales of brotherhood with the former republics of the USSR, trying not to notice that all of them, without exception, were building their independence on Russophobia, the result of which we are seeing today.
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 6 August 2020 19: 08
        +1
        Quote: Insurgent
        Yes, at least as Homo sapiens ...

        Luca doesn't catch up when to leave. And this is the disease of many helmsmen. And he had to leave the stage 10-15 years ago. But he was so stuck backwards to his familiar place that they would only carry him out of the office with this chair.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 6 August 2020 16: 10
      10
      Quote: Lesovik
      I would have behaved like an ally and would not have known grief ...


      That's right!
    3. prior
      prior 6 August 2020 16: 13
      -42 qualifying.
      Russia had another ally - Ukraine, both in the CIS, they traded, the fleet was based in the Crimea.
      The ally did not know the grief until he started asking questions about the gas price ...
      1. musketon64
        musketon64 6 August 2020 16: 25
        33
        Ukraine was not Russia's ally in any way. She was not a member of either the CSTO or the CIS. Since: "After the ratification of the Agreement on the Creation of the Commonwealth of Independent States, Ukraine did not sign the CIS Charter. Therefore, it was not a CIS member state, referring to the states - founders of the Commonwealth."
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 6 August 2020 16: 25
        30
        Quote: prior
        The ally did not know grief

        Come on...
        In Crimea, they always staged trash. Either with the detention of the Black Sea Fleet servicemen, or transport, or with the seizure of naval facilities ... And the fact that Russia was simply not allowed to update its fleet also speaks volumes.
        To call this "grief did not know" is a strong exaggeration.

        Quote: prior
        The ally did not know the grief until he started asking questions about the gas price ...

        Well, yes.
        And they are very, very robust profiting from the resale of gas. But there weren't many. And they achieved the Great Peramoga, for which the "gas pyncessu" was eventually imprisoned
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 6 August 2020 16: 29
          10
          To call this "grief did not know" is a strong exaggeration.

          you are now trying to tell the obvious things to the lover of the Square
          it is not for this that he writes his offended posts here with a fly agaric on his avatar

          sorry that he thinks and writes in Russian. It is necessary to switch to Belarusian MOV, I think. The path to independence goes through the distortion of the Russian language. It is strange that non-landowners from Ukraine and the Republic of Bashkortostan do not split up on their rural accents here

          I think here without conspiracy, they just haven't learned it yet, but I would have read this bill. I love these rustic motifs

          PS When they start telling me that they have to switch to Russian because of respect for the interlocutor, when they start telling me that they have to switch to Russian out of respect for the interlocutor, I ask them to split it on the move and explain that it does not bother me. A funny spectacle begins with the remembering of words. Enough minutes for 2 attempts. Further on the great power there is a conversation

          And it does not depend - south, east or west. In the west of Ukraine, the Russian language is cleaner than in the center. Somehow, in the west, Raguli is more well-mannered and more educated

          PS I am campaigning for everyone to download roulette to their phones and choose Ukraine. This is more abruptly than Kovtun.
          Well, if you choose RB, there is no game there. One zmagar for 10 bros
          1. prior
            prior 6 August 2020 16: 45
            -24 qualifying.
            Don't be jealous student. Yes, I'm an old fly agaric. You're still catching up on yours.
            Apparently, the fun in the country is just beginning.
            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 6 August 2020 16: 47
              +9
              Apparently, the fun in the country is just beginning


              So are you an ancient Sumerian or are you just picking up habits with the hashtag # soon?
              Are you waiting for the skiff for the Rossiyushka? Well wait wait. Get in line. Do you know how many of these are already sad? You're just another At the beginning of the queue, our light-red fans of plateau and sterninin have scored, then there are ideological gabunyats (insult since 2008), then there are the Sumerians with the Balts, and only then, at the end of this long queue, you are standing.

              then give a forecast, how long to wait? Sumer. You know how to do forecasting, I can see.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 6 August 2020 16: 54
                +6
                This is a Russian citizen. Most likely from St. Petersburg.
                1. St Petrov
                  St Petrov 6 August 2020 16: 56
                  0
                  This is a Russian citizen. Most likely from St. Petersburg.

                  Alexander, hello. And sho he does not pan in a prosperous RB? No money to move? An apartment in St. Petersburg is more expensive than in Minsk, though. Will even stay at used MAZ

                  Or out of the old habit - eating fly agarics and enduring?
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 6 August 2020 17: 12
                    +3
                    Different people are needed, different people are important.
                    He has relatives both in Ukraine and Belarus.
                    I am not defending in any way, he is an adult.
                    But I suppose we need to convince, not scold.
                    This is more promising. And more useful for karma. wink
              2. SOVIET UNION 2
                SOVIET UNION 2 6 August 2020 17: 50
                -2
                Well, in terms of forecasts, the Russian government will be cooler! What has not been predicted for 20 years! What predictions came true?
                1. Non liberoid Russian
                  Non liberoid Russian 6 August 2020 18: 27
                  +3
                  the communists also predicted a lot, ranging from a bright future to world equality. what has come true?
                  1. Okolotochny
                    Okolotochny 7 August 2020 07: 31
                    0
                    The country was ripped off.
                  2. SOVIET UNION 2
                    SOVIET UNION 2 7 August 2020 09: 29
                    -1
                    Much has come true for the communists. If plans were set, they were fulfilled. What did the liberals fulfill from their promises? All of their projects were not completed on time. All projects came out in excess of estimates and deadlines. And many have remained a props.
              3. BecmepH
                BecmepH 6 August 2020 18: 20
                +1
                Quote: s-t Petrov
                our light red fans of plateau and sterninin,

                Well, you don't like their views, so behave culturally anyway. Do you treat them and their like-minded people with derogation having the right to do so? Who are you ?!
                The "elite" of the site who are allowed to do anything? I feel that you are a virtual hero)))) How about life?))
                For you there is only your opinion))) So? Then you are NOBODY and there is no way to call you.
                A person differs from an animal in that in life he is guided not only by his desires and takes into account other people's opinions
                1. St Petrov
                  St Petrov 7 August 2020 01: 40
                  -3
                  Only your opinion exists for you


                  There is an oath and an oath, I can't eat when circus actors shake the constitutional order and demand changes. In the same trench with the Sumerians and Chichvarkin with the rest of the public

                  Do I have the right to be indignant, remembering my oath and solemn oath?

                  This is not about pathos, this is about the oath and its fulfillment.

                  Well, Russia has always had many enemies. She always has her own interests. This is normal

                  You just can't love Russia and demand a revolution or a change of course with a Sumerian and pedal

                  In general, there is an opinion on what is happening here. I do not like?
                  I will try to live with it on

                  1. BecmepH
                    BecmepH 7 August 2020 17: 08
                    0
                    Quote: c-Petrov
                    Only your opinion exists for you


                    There is an oath and an oath, I can't eat when circus actors shake the constitutional order and demand changes. In the same trench with the Sumerians and Chichvarkin with the rest of the public

                    Do I have the right to be indignant, remembering my oath and solemn oath?

                    This is not about pathos, this is about the oath and its fulfillment.

                    Well, Russia has always had many enemies. She always has her own interests. This is normal

                    You just can't love Russia and demand a revolution or a change of course with a Sumerian and pedal

                    In general, there is an opinion on what is happening here. I do not like?
                    I will try to live with it on

                    They said everything right. You can conduct a dialogue and express your opinion without insults. Good luck to you!
        2. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 6 August 2020 20: 41
          +4
          Quote: Spade
          To call this "grief did not know" is a strong exaggeration.

          Quote: Spade
          The ally did not know grief

          At the human level, terrible things happened ... The most offensive thing is that the Russian language, literature, history, in every possible way, spread rot, ... Just imagine, a colleague (they considered a friend) confidentially begins to say to you that Russians are all sluts, drunks, your dog's language, Russia shit, the story is invented, instead of May 9 you need to go to the cemetery, the heroes are Bandera rebels, and you are Russian by culture and one of the parents is a person. So they spit on your mother or father .. Your children are taught to hate Russia, the Russian language ... Now I am writing and somehow it all just sounds. And it was very insulting, as a result, moral opposition to all this nonsense is born. Absolute hatred of everything Ukrainian ... Your children are taught at school to hate your Russian mother with her Russian language. Consider you a stupid Muscovite ... Grandma occupant, who taught for 40 years children to write and read at school from the first to the fourth grades .... Grandfather Vorog, a military sailor who served on ships for 26 years ... I don't want to remember further. Sevastopol-Crimea-Russia .. Thank God! drinks hi soldier
      3. Alex777
        Alex777 6 August 2020 16: 49
        19
        Russia had another ally - Ukraine, both in the CIS, they traded, the fleet was based in the Crimea.
        The ally did not know the grief until he started asking questions about the gas price ...

        You are normal, then write such unreal raw materials ... lol
        When Kuchma wrote the book "Ukraine is not Russia"? A very long time ago - in 2003!
        When did he sign an in-depth partnership agreement with NATO?
        Then, when they decided about gas with one foot in Gazprom. But for them, the Ukrainians, everything was not enough.
        This is how it all started. yes
        On the US site, where there was a tender for the re-equipment of the Sevastopol school for the needs of the US Navy base in Sevastopol (under Yanukovych), I personally went to check that it was there. Fortunately, he has mastered the language in 10 years of his stay in the USA.
        So here you better be silent (say nothing). bully
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 6 August 2020 17: 04
          +2
          Dialogue and cooperation began after the end of the Cold War, when the newly independent Ukraine joined the North Atlantic Cooperation Council (1991) and the Partnership for Peace program (1994).
          Relations were strengthened following the signing of the 1997 Distinctive Partnership Charter, which established the NATO-Ukraine Commission (NUC) to promote cooperation.
          The Declaration on Supplementing the Charter on a Distinctive Partnership between NATO and Ukraine, signed in 2009, instructed the NUC, through Ukraine's Annual National Program, to support Ukraine's efforts to further reform Ukraine's Euro-Atlantic aspirations in line with the decisions of the 2008 NATO Summit in Bucharest.
          Over time, mutually beneficial cooperation deepens, with Ukraine actively participating in NATO-led operations and missions.
        2. SOVIET UNION 2
          SOVIET UNION 2 6 August 2020 17: 53
          -3
          Well, Russia at one time, too, was torn to NATO! And to the world economy too! What is the crime then? We can, but they are not allowed?
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 6 August 2020 18: 29
            +5
            It was the chatter of politicians about NATO. lol
            Any more or less serious person understands that the transition to NATO standards for Russia is unrealistic. There is no and never will be money for this.
            And no one needs it. NATO with Russia is the death of NATO. Such an alliance has no enemies.
            1. SOVIET UNION 2
              SOVIET UNION 2 7 August 2020 09: 31
              -1
              Well then, it means that there were not serious people in the Russian government! And how they wanted integration! What about the current leadership? Do they want integration or independence?
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 7 August 2020 09: 55
                +1
                The current authorities do not want either one or the other. wink
                As far as possible, they are reviving Great Russia.
                With a place in the world for a great country.
                When, before doing something somewhere, other countries consult with her - is it possible? bully
                This is still a long way off, for many reasons, but I will live to see the time when it will be so. hi
      4. Thrifty
        Thrifty 6 August 2020 17: 15
        +4
        Prior, when they were massively tying this gas out of the export pipe, and from Russia they received the same gas at the cost price for, in fact, reselling it, why didn’t your Ukrainians bother with the question of price — so that Russia should pay the real price? ????
        1. SOVIET UNION 2
          SOVIET UNION 2 6 August 2020 17: 55
          -7
          Does the Russian population pay fair prices for gas and petrol? Or are the population of Russia freeloaders too?
          1. Thrifty
            Thrifty 6 August 2020 17: 59
            +5
            SOVIET UNION - and the population of Russia pays for everything that the authorities distribute to all local princelings, and even more than that, they overpay!
      5. Albert1988
        Albert1988 6 August 2020 18: 06
        +4
        Quote: prior
        The ally did not know the grief until he started asking questions about the gas price ...

        Oha, the questions were probably like - "why is gas supplied to Ukraine at domestic Russian prices and unreasonably increases the competitiveness of Ukrainian goods?"
        Oh, these questions were asked by the European people ... After the gas scandal, when the "allies" decided that they could not pay for gas at all ...
    4. vavilon
      vavilon 6 August 2020 16: 14
      -33 qualifying.
      Did you not think
      Why are there problems in Russia with the former Soviet republics?
      Or maybe we behave as not allies in relation to them.
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 6 August 2020 16: 18
        33
        Quote: vavilon
        we behave as not allies in relation to them

        In the sense of giving loans and even forgiving some? Do we provide sales markets? Do we give discounts on gas and oil? Don't we drag you into local conflicts? Do we give anyone as an insult? And the truth is that we are doing something wrong ... All by ourselves and by ourselves ... Somehow, really wrong ...
        1. vavilon
          vavilon 6 August 2020 17: 04
          -12 qualifying.
          Who are we?
          1. BecmepH
            BecmepH 6 August 2020 18: 27
            +2
            Quote: vavilon
            Who are we?

            Yes! Who are you writing about?
            And Lesovik did not write such words))
            1. vavilon
              vavilon 6 August 2020 22: 29
              -9
              How else to understand ?, we provide, we forgive, we pay, etc. who do you think it is?
              1. anykin
                anykin 7 August 2020 00: 16
                +3
                Do you play chamomile?
                1. vavilon
                  vavilon 7 August 2020 08: 02
                  -1
                  I play, but it doesn't end "suka"
        2. SOVIET UNION 2
          SOVIET UNION 2 6 August 2020 17: 59
          -15 qualifying.
          I am afraid that if we do not forgive loans, then we will not have sales markets there either. There will be no new loans to them either. Why should they give loans if they are rogue? Well, they give you loans for a refrigerator and a TV! Why can't they? Do you think they just give loans? There must be some kind of contract.
          1. major147
            major147 6 August 2020 20: 58
            0
            Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
            Do you think they just give loans?

            Or they will take something away, or they will work it out like that ...
      2. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad 6 August 2020 16: 21
        +5
        How do allies behave? Pay a salary to the government of their allies?
        For the Americans, this practice still works ...
        But these, apparently, are not our methods.
      3. DMB84
        DMB84 6 August 2020 16: 23
        0
        I agree ... Only by the word "we" mean Sechin and Miller (and the rest of the group), who have completely lost their shores from greed. How many people did not explain to me on TV that the price of gas for Belarus (and in the past for Ukraine) should be, as for the bourgeois countries, I did not understand anything. ( did not believe ). If yours, the price should be as for yourself. If the enemies are different. By the way, now the situation is generally interesting - almost all raw materials are chased abroad, at prices about three times less than to the domestic market. Are we now the same enemies of Sechin / Miller as Belarus?
        1. Non liberoid Russian
          Non liberoid Russian 6 August 2020 18: 34
          +4
          show the documents where the prices for raw materials for export are three times less than for the domestic market of Russia. let's not be shy
          1. DMB84
            DMB84 6 August 2020 21: 00
            -2
            Ok, uel. I will not show. I will forward the question - Kazannefteorgsintez, the price of acetone in April is 55 rubles / kg. In May, the plant announced that the entire volume was exported. And it will be exported for three months. The contract, edrenot .... Acetone for its own country first began to rise in price, then began to disappear. Now on the domestic market, even if someone succeeds in capturing 110 and 120 rubles / kg. And practically no. Kazan, after all these manipulations, is taking preventive measures for another month. Apart from Kazan, no one produces acetone especially in the country. In such quantities. Acetone is used to produce isopropanol, an antiseptic. There, over the hill, is more needed. There are all families, children of the owners of the plant, relatives and friends. And we will interrupt here somehow ... Without antiseptics and isopropanol ... We can think of something. A question for you, try to find out, it's easier for you .... what is the contract price for acetone under these contracts? According to rumors, 32-33 rubles (in terms of rubles). And how can you explain this from the point of view of the general line of the party and government? Where is the deep meaning? Training of the unfinished chemical production of the Russian Federation? Gorbachev started, Yeltsin continued .... Tradition?
            1. Non liberoid Russian
              Non liberoid Russian 16 August 2020 23: 45
              0
              Enough to lie and give examples according to "rumors", one of your vyser about internal prices said everything about you
              1. DMB84
                DMB84 17 August 2020 22: 31
                0
                Do you work out a chowder?
      4. Insurgent
        Insurgent 6 August 2020 16: 24
        10
        Quote: vavilon
        Did you not think
        Why are there problems in Russia with the former Soviet republics?

        I wondered yes , and even found out why yes (although this is obvious, because it lies on the surface).

        Because the republics, smaller than the Russian Federation, but nevertheless excessively independent and ambitious, tried (are trying) by means of blackmail (we will go to the EU / NATO) to dictate their terms, while offering nothing in return ...
        1. x.andvlad
          x.andvlad 6 August 2020 17: 05
          +7
          Quote: Insurgent
          while offering nothing in return ...

          Instead of waiting for them to offer something. It is necessary not to be modest ourselves, but to put forward tough conditions for mutually beneficial coexistence. We give you gas at a preferential price, and you give us "loyalty to the grave", otherwise - sanctions. It's just that these requirements need to be thought out in detail, and not engaged in charity. The Americans do just that.
          And all these songs about the "brotherhood of peoples" are no longer relevant and do not correspond to modern realities.
          1. KCA
            KCA 6 August 2020 17: 48
            +6
            I remember there was only one character, he was born Ukrainian, he swore loyalty to Golitsyn until the grave, then to Peter the Great and knocked on Golitsyn, then to Karl, then he fled to the Ottomans, they, unfortunately, did not give him out to Russia, even though for a lot of money, now x ery outskirts, you cannot believe the oaths of such a country under no circumstances
          2. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 6 August 2020 18: 04
            0
            The brotherhood of peoples could take place when economies were tied into a single economic space, as in the days of the USSR.
            1. Non liberoid Russian
              Non liberoid Russian 6 August 2020 18: 38
              -1
              blah blah blah, tales of brotherhood))) wake up, there is no union and will not be. if only in your dreams. and yelling that it is not so is not necessary. no one else will be a donor to any Ukrainians to the Zmagars of the Balts and other Asians.
              1. SOVIET UNION 2
                SOVIET UNION 2 7 August 2020 09: 32
                -1
                There will be no union? What will happen? Eternal enmity? And who needs it?
            2. Albert1988
              Albert1988 6 August 2020 18: 38
              +2
              Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
              The brotherhood of peoples could take place when economies were tied into a single economic space, as in the days of the USSR.

              Only now the leaderships of the former republics are doing everything to prevent this from happening, and Russia is to blame ...
              1. SOVIET UNION 2
                SOVIET UNION 2 7 August 2020 09: 34
                -1
                Aha! And Russia is to blame for the Union republics! Hasn't Russia surrendered everyone and everything? And she's not to blame?
                1. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 7 August 2020 16: 04
                  0
                  Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                  And Russia is to blame for the Union republics!

                  Of course, they are to blame - they want to live independently, and catch nishtyaks from Russia for free! And even amers to invite you with bases!
                  Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                  Hasn't Russia surrendered everyone and everything?

                  Who and to whom is Russia happy? By name, please ...
                  1. SOVIET UNION 2
                    SOVIET UNION 2 8 August 2020 11: 54
                    -1
                    It all started with the delivery of the DRA. Then the flight from Eastern Europe. Then the famous ** Take sovereignty who can swallow how much! **
                    1. Albert1988
                      Albert1988 8 August 2020 18: 44
                      0
                      Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                      It all started with the delivery of the DRA. Then the flight from Eastern Europe. Then the famous ** Take sovereignty who can swallow how much! **

                      Well, yes, but Shevardnadze, Shushuevichs, Kravchuks and other "nationals" who were the first to be happy to take everything apart and sit down to reign, well, nothing to do with it ...
                      1. SOVIET UNION 2
                        SOVIET UNION 2 9 August 2020 09: 21
                        -1
                        Yes! There was separatism! But it was after October 17th! However, the Bolsheviks did not allow the Empire to be taken away to national apartments! Basically, the territory of Ingushetia was restored! But the liberals stupidly surrendered everything! Both the territory of the USSR and its spheres of influence! Although these were spheres of influence in the competition and in the markets for their products! We can say that the perestroika were terribly stupid in economics but ambitious in personal enrichment!
                      2. atalef
                        atalef 9 August 2020 09: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                        Yes! There was separatism! But it was after October 17th! However, the Bolsheviks did not allow

                        you probably don't know the story.
                        https://histrf.ru/lenta-vremeni/event/view/obrazovaniie-sssr
                      3. SOVIET UNION 2
                        SOVIET UNION 2 9 August 2020 10: 29
                        -1
                        From the personal diary of the French Ambassador to Russia Maurice Paleologue:
                        “March 30, 1917. The most dangerous embryo, which was the revolution, has been developing for several days at a terrifying rate. Finland, Livonia, Estonia, Poland, Lithuania, Ukraine, Georgia, Siberia demand independence for themselves, or at least full autonomy.
                        .... The French Revolution began with the declaration of the Republic as one and indivisible. Thousands of heads were sacrificed to this principle, and French unity was saved. The Russian revolution takes the slogan Russia divided and fragmented. "
                        Immediately after the revolution, the Kuban Cossacks created the Kuban Regional Military Rada and the Kuban Legislative Rada. The executive power was exercised by the Kuban military government. The Rada chose a military ataman, the ataman was elected for a period of four years, and the chairman of the government was also elected to help the ataman. The Provisional Government of Russia did not in any way interfere with such a stormy activity, it had more important things to do.

                        The Kuban People's Republic was in a difficult situation. The Bolsheviks threatened to crush it for themselves, the whites did not want to hear about the independent Kuban, Ukrainian nationalists considered the Kuban part of their state. The difficult situation affected the internal political climate of the young republic.


                        Kuban People's Republic - 1918-1920, a separatist state; the Great Don Army (Don Republic) was abolished - 1918-1920, a separatist state; abolished (now Rostov, Volgograd regions of Russia, Lugansk region of Ukraine)

                        Georgian Democratic Republic - 1918-1921, separatist state; liquidated

                        Azerbaijan Democratic Republic - 1918-1920, separatist state, liquidated

                        Republic of Armenia (First Republic) - 1918-1920, a separatist state, abolished by agreement between the RSFSR and the RA, the Karsky region, occupied by the RA troops, was transferred in 1921 to Turkey under an agreement (now Armenia, Turkey)

                        Arak Republic - 1918-1920, separatist state, liquidated by the RA troops, in 1920 the Nakhichevan Soviet Republic was formed

                        Idel-Ural State (Ural-Volga state) - 1918, separatist state, liquidated by decree of the Council of People's Commissars of the RSFSR (now the territories of Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, Kirov, Nizhny Novgorod, Orenburg, Samara, Ulyanovsk, Astrakhan regions, Perm Territory, Mariwia Republic), the Republic of Chuya Bashkiria - 1918-1920, national-territorial autonomy, then transformed into the Autonomous Bashkir Soviet Republic (now the territories of the Sverdlovsk, Chelyabinsk, Kurgan, Orenburg, Samara regions, Perm Krai, Bashkortostan)

                        Mountain Republic - 1917-1920, a separatist state, in 1918 - the Republic of the Union of Highlanders of the North Caucasus, in 1919 - the North Caucasian Emiry, liquidated (now the Chechen Republic, the Republic of Ingushetia, the Republic of North Ossetia-Alania, the Kabardino-Balkar Republic, the Karachay-Cherkess Republic)

                        Alash-Orda (Alash autonomy) - 1917-1919, separatist state, liquidated by the Kyrgyz Revolutionary Committee (now Altai Territory, Omsk, Astrakhan regions of Russia, West Kazakhstan, Kostanay, Akmola, East Kazakhstan, Almaty regions of Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan)

                        Bukhara Emirate - 1917-1920, a separatist state; in 1920 - the creation of the puppet BNSR, the fight against Basmachism (now Uzbekistan, Tajikistan)

                        Khorezm (Khiva Khanate) - 1917-1920, separatist state; in 1920 it became part of the USSR as the KhNSR (now Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan)

                        Provisional government of autonomous Turkestan - 1917-1918, separatist state, liquidated (now Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan)

                        Committee of Members of the Constituent Assembly (Komuch) - 1918, alternative government of Russia (Volga region, South Ural)

                        The provisional regional government of the Urals - 1918, ceased to exist (Yekaterinburg) There were a lot of independent republics!
                    2. Albert1988
                      Albert1988 9 August 2020 13: 42
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                      Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                      Yes! There was separatism! But it was after October 17th!

                      Ugum, do you know what separatism was in the republics in 1991? I had two colleagues living in Azerbaijan then, do you know what was happening there?
                      Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                      However, the Bolsheviks did not allow the Empire to be taken away to national apartments! Basically, the territory of Ingushetia was restored! But the liberals stupidly surrendered everything!

                      Dear dear! Where did these liberals come from? That's right - from the party, ALL were party members, and a petty riffraff like the Chubais and Berezovskys then pulled up ...
                      And again I ask you - where did Shushkevich, Shevardnadze, Kravchuk, Yeltsin come from? Is it all "Russia" or who? Where did all these "liberals" come from?
      5. BecmepH
        BecmepH 6 August 2020 18: 29
        +1
        Quote: x.andvlad
        Quote: Insurgent
        while offering nothing in return ...

        Instead of waiting for them to offer something. It is necessary not to be modest ourselves, but to put forward tough conditions for mutually beneficial coexistence. We give you gas at a preferential price, and you give us "loyalty to the grave", otherwise - sanctions. It's just that these requirements need to be thought out in detail, and not engaged in charity. The Americans do just that.
        And all these songs about the "brotherhood of peoples" are no longer relevant and do not correspond to modern realities.

        Support!
    5. major147
      major147 6 August 2020 21: 12
      +3
      Quote: Insurgent
      Because the republics, smaller than the Russian Federation, but nevertheless excessively independent and ambitious, tried (are trying) by means of blackmail (we will go to the EU / NATO) to dictate their terms, while offering nothing in return ...


      "Since 2017, the European Union has provided Georgia with assistance in the amount of up to $ 511 million to keep Tbilisi in its zone of influence.
      This European money is called Western aid in the State Department's report, which means that America is also involved in it. It sounds almost like a threat: if the dialogue between Tbilisi and Moscow resumes, the US will ban the EU from transferring even these modest translations. "
      "Note that, in general, Georgians assess their standard of living extremely negatively and the steps taken by the authorities to increase the well-being of the citizens of a small but proud republic. Therefore, whoever ends up in the Avlabar Residence will be bad. Genatsvale began to vaguely guess that American noodles are inedible , and Uncle Sam is the same Scrooge McDuck, a curmudgeon from Disney cartoons. But how well they lived in the USSR. "
      "The situation in this Caucasian country does not fit into the heads of American experts. On the one hand, anti-Russian views can be safely called publicly approved - this is good! On the other hand, anti-Russian politicians are not popular - this is bad. Moreover, every new president is less aggressive towards Moscow, which generally awful. "


      To sum up, they hate Russia for the fact that it has ceased to contain these idlers, as in the days of the USSR.
    6. vavilon
      vavilon 6 August 2020 22: 38
      -4
      Who are Belarusians and Ukrainians?
      Let's rozobay on the shelves
      what happened and who betrayed whom.
      take tsarist Russia who betrayed the king? Belarusians? Ukrainians? republics which did not exist yet !?) in connection with which Russia lost both Finland and Poland In the nineties, who betrayed the Soviet Union? the Ukrainians? the Belarusians? Balts? Kazakhs? No, it's us again. Gorbachev and Yeltsin drank
      And we made them strangers relative to us, they believe that it is they and I it is we - "the navel of the earth"
      Our "grabber" rejected their own people, and we are manipulated by telling us that everyone is bad and we are the only good
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    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 6 August 2020 17: 06
      +1
      ro Anglo-Saxons and their sixes, I will not say anything, everything is clear there.

      and yet he did not remain silent

      But the ruling gang of thieves of the Russian Federation managed to quarrel with the whole world, including with traditional allies and well-wishers of Russia

      wassat
      PS Do you understand that the goal of the Anglo-Saxons is to find mankurt in the Russian Federation who will be ready to undermine the statehood?

      They don't even change your leaflets in general, they change their names.
      They supply memes, Yelkin draws like from a machine, BIBISI gives fried materials. In general, you already have this ... In the wrong trench. You were treated like that, you are ready to go to shake the walls of the Kremlin for the new Vlasov

      You see how well they worked.

      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 6 August 2020 17: 09
        -6
        Quote: c-Petrov
        ro Anglo-Saxons and their sixes, I will not say anything, everything is clear there.

        and yet he did not remain silent
        But the ruling gang of thieves of the Russian Federation managed to quarrel with the whole world, including with traditional allies and well-wishers of Russia

        wassat

        And what am I wrong? The main disagreements and disputes arise precisely over the sale of Russia's natural resources, which were seized by the president's friends.
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 6 August 2020 17: 42
          0
          who were seized by the president's friends.

          or so?

          blah blah blah, eliminate them and stay alive


          Are you ready to eliminate them and are waiting for a signal? Or are you in a digital space only killing the supreme commander-in-chief and the leaders of the rosorporations?



          PS
          RF, managed to quarrel with the whole world


          are you talking about the Sumerians with gabunyats? Or who, the whole world? Come on right away, the reasons why this happened to the whole world (you probably mean your friends, the Anglo-Saxons and their loyal subjects of the Sumerians and further on the list?) In relation to us. Probably Crimea? Did you not like that after the Crimea, Putin was sitting at the table alone in Canada?

          And China and India are not guys from our world? How are they? Is BRICS smaller than the G7?
          1. vavilon
            vavilon 6 August 2020 22: 50
            -2
            It's not the dialogue that's important, it's the result
            And who sits with whom the bulk of people to one place.
            And Why only Crimea? And not all of Ukraine, I personally support all the republics to be united, first of all Belarus Ukraine
            It turns out Syria, Libya is closer than Ukraine, complete nonsense
            From the very beginning, I have always supported Putin, but recently the disappointment is complete after the events that happened in Ukraine, and yet the bulk of them looked with hope in our direction and what our oligarchy from Belarus is doing now is not in any framework
        2. major147
          major147 6 August 2020 21: 15
          +1
          Quote: lis-ik
          who were seized by the president's friends.

          What, did you apply for them?
          1. vavilon
            vavilon 6 August 2020 22: 51
            -3
            And you are apparently one of these friends
            1. major147
              major147 6 August 2020 23: 43
              +4
              Quote: vavilon
              And you are apparently one of these friends

              Naturally! Like every pensioner of the Russian Federation, I have a "small share" ....
          2. vavilon
            vavilon 7 August 2020 08: 13
            -1
            What are you afraid of losing?
            1. major147
              major147 7 August 2020 09: 49
              +1
              Quote: vavilon
              What are you afraid of losing?

              Naturally.
              1. vavilon
                vavilon 7 August 2020 10: 52
                -1
                Well, everything is clear with you, you are most likely one of the so-called pensioners from Rublevka or a pseudo-pensioner who works out the fee.
                1. major147
                  major147 7 August 2020 19: 49
                  +2
                  Quote: vavilon
                  Well, everything is clear with you, you are most likely one of the so-called pensioners from Rublevka or a pseudo-pensioner who works out the fee.

                  That is, it does not even occur to you that an ordinary retired major after serving 27 years, having fought in "hot spots", having received a pension of more than 30 thousand rubles. since he proved himself to be by no means a "rubber product" after service, he was invited by his colleagues who had previously gone "into business", where working the first 6.5 years without a vacation for 6 - 7 days a week, not counting the hours, he was able to get up from the head of the department to the director of the plant and ensuring a decent old age with his labor, and giving his children "start-up capital" not with money, but with excellent education and housing.
                  Your mental conclusions betray you as a lumpen proletarian, if not in fact, then in essence.
                  I understand that you have nothing, but try to understand that in order to get something, you need to work, and not "take away and divide".
      2. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 6 August 2020 18: 06
        -1
        And the government of Russia does not undermine the statehood of the country by giving everything to private hands? Where is the state approach in power in Russia?
        1. Non liberoid Russian
          Non liberoid Russian 6 August 2020 18: 39
          -1
          if such a shvonder comes to me like you and says - give your business into the hands of the state - I will shoot him. tired of their communal idea
          1. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 7 August 2020 09: 40
            +1
            And the European Commission honestly admits that the nationalization of a part of the economy is perhaps the only way to avoid, above all, the dire social consequences of the crisis, such as mass unemployment and the impoverishment of the population. By the way, one of the first companies applying for state aid today in Germany is one of the largest air carriers in Europe - Lufthansa, which is under the threat of complete ruin due to flight restrictions.
            Not so long ago, speaking about the hypothetical possibility of state support for the American oil industry, which is now on the verge of bankruptcy, US Treasury Secretary Stephen Mnuchin, among other mechanisms of such actions being worked out by his department, called the provision of assistance from the federal budget in exchange for a share of ownership in mining enterprises.
            There is nothing surprising here, especially considering that to date, China has demonstrated the most successful overcoming of the economic consequences of COVID-19. That is, a country whose economy, for all capitalist moments, is under the tightest control and guardianship of the state. No one can argue with this. As it turned out in difficult times, the free and market economy of the West simply has nothing to oppose the trials that have fallen on it, in contrast to communist Beijing.
          2. andrew42
            andrew42 8 August 2020 16: 04
            0
            Much faster "Shvonders" who already have their own business (tied to a budget crank) will come to you, and will squeeze out if they are interested. Without any "communal idea". Are you going to shoot these?
      3. BecmepH
        BecmepH 6 August 2020 18: 34
        0
        Vlasov
        with a capital letter
        plateau and sternin
        with a little!
        Alarming ...
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 6 August 2020 19: 31
          -3
          Do a search on my comments and you will see my attitude to this waffle. In principle, the attitude to sternin and plateau is the same as to Vlasov (with a small letter everything)

          And yes, I cannot respect the mankurts and our local ones. Look for connections and general topics to pretend that I forgot everything that this tribe wrote here - but never

          And yes, I am writing light reds, not reds - because they are not reds.

          And there are no communists among Platoshkin, Grudinin and Svarog with Sylvester - this is a fact

          So pass by with your claims.

          There are those with whom I am on you. Even the Ingvar and the sling cutter had such an appeal from me before. Tried to understand the characters when

          But alas)

          1. major147
            major147 6 August 2020 21: 18
            0
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            But alas)

            good hi
          2. BecmepH
            BecmepH 7 August 2020 17: 16
            0
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            There are those with whom I am on you. Even the Ingvar and the sling cutter had such an appeal from me before. Tried to understand the characters when

            Here we see the difference between a cultured person (who you think you are) and an ignorant)))
            "You think not like me, then on you, in solidarity with me-you"
            Childlike, like that. Don't you find it?))
            You will bring your thought to your opponent without insults and then objectively feel yourself head and shoulders above. And you .... Well, no way without rudeness.
    2. Albert1988
      Albert1988 6 August 2020 18: 11
      +5
      Quote: lis-ik
      But the ruling gang of thieves of the Russian Federation managed to quarrel with the whole world, including with traditional allies and well-wishers of Russia, what to say, greedy cattle will not get drunk in any way.

      Oha, it means that Russia should drive resources to the "allies" for free and provide interest-free loans, open markets for allied goods, even if they ate European goods, they just changed the stamp on them, and in return the ally should not do anything at all? There may be gangs of thieves and Natsiks who sit in the governments of our "allies":
      Quote: lis-ik
      greedy cattle will not get drunk in any way.

      ??
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 6 August 2020 22: 55
        -2
        and who represents Russia?
        Do you personally drive resources?
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 6 August 2020 22: 57
          +1
          Quote: vavilon
          and who represents Russia?
          Do you personally drive resources?

          It does not matter who represents Russia, and who personally drives resources - from the point of view of "independent" states, once the former Soviet republics, Russia is a priori obliged to do this, accompanying free resources with other "tasty treats" ...
          1. vavilon
            vavilon 6 August 2020 23: 07
            -4
            Well, no matter how 70% of natural resources in Russia belongs to the oligarch, imagine 70% so where does Russia?
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 7 August 2020 00: 08
              +2
              Quote: vavilon
              Well, no matter how 70% of natural resources in Russia belongs to the oligarch, imagine 70% so where does Russia?

              A senseless set of letters ...
              I clearly explain to you - from the point of view of the dependents of the former republics, it is NOT important who is in charge in Russia, who is in charge there - oligarchs, plutocrats, tsar-father, padishah-emperor, even though Shab-Niggurat and Nyarlathotep are a couple - Russia is obliged to drive free nishtyaks, and at the same time they will pursue an absolutely independent policy - to enter into alliances with whoever they want, even if this someone is an enemy of Russia, to resell goods from other countries to Russia bypassing duties, and using open borders, transfer samples of Russian weapons received from this very Russia for free, etc.
              And who is the owner of all these nishtyaks who are "obliged" to come from Russia - this in this context does not matter at all ...
              1. vavilon
                vavilon 7 August 2020 08: 30
                -2
                Respected profit from the activities of the oligarch does not go to the country's budget but goes into their pocket. the bulk of people replenish this budget for their tiny salaries, this is firstly,
                secondly, as for the weapons, the weapons that are now being developed are also the developments of the Soviet Union, notice the Soviet Union 15 republics
                The building that has now been established in Russia is not profitable for either the Unions or the associations, the same system is the same manners of government on the world arena as in the Anglo-Saxons and no one wants to yield to each other, Our youth is brought up on past achievements, but these achievements are not today's grief - the rulers of the socialist system.
                1. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 7 August 2020 16: 18
                  0
                  Quote: vavilon
                  Respected profit from the activities of the oligarch does not go to the country's budget but goes into their pocket. the bulk of people replenish this budget for their tiny salaries, this is firstly,

                  I agree with you here, but in the context of what is being discussed - the point of view of the former Soviet republics, it does not matter! If you want to paraphrase - the former Soviet republics believe that the "Russian oligarchs" are obliged to them to drive resources for free, to open domestic Russian markets for their goods, etc. Is that clearer?
                  Quote: vavilon
                  secondly, as for the weapons, the weapons that are now being developed are also the developments of the Soviet Union, notice the Soviet Union 15 republics

                  I cannot agree with you here, because my dad worked in the defense industry until very recently. Now in Russia there are a lot of new developments, and the old Soviet one is being modernized so much that the filling there is completely different.
                  Secondly, what the former republics receive from Russia - they themselves are NOT already producing, and the common origin no longer matters.
                  Quote: vavilon
                  The building that has now been established in Russia is not profitable for either the Unions or the associations, the same system is the same manners of government on the world arena as in the Anglo-Saxons and no one wants to yield to each other, Our youth is brought up on past achievements, but these achievements are not today's grief - the rulers of the socialist system.

                  I agree about the lack of serious achievements, but about the fact that cooperation and unification is not beneficial for our government and the elite is not true. Here is an example - the same defense industry - Ukraine and Russia produce tanks, they compete on the market, if a merger takes place, all revenues will go to one piggy bank.
                  So ours are very interested, but only our "allies" are NOT interested ...
      2. vavilon
        vavilon 7 August 2020 08: 15
        -1
        In your opinion, allies should look after and please Russia as like a wife in the harem of their sultan
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 7 August 2020 16: 21
          0
          Quote: vavilon
          In your opinion, allies should look after and please Russia as like a wife in the harem of their sultan

          Do you have the ability to balance the polar judgment?
          No gratification is needed, we need mutually beneficial cooperation - do you get oil for free? Well, no question - put our base at your place! We are not Americans - we will support it ourselves. Have we opened our markets for your products? Great - be weasel, bring your enterprises into a consortium with ours to facilitate their cooperation and reduce costs. This is how they work in a normal capitalist world. And there is no reason for it to be different in our case)))
          1. vavilon
            vavilon 7 August 2020 17: 42
            -1
            This is Russian arrogance
            This is "WE" and this is you
            Is there a difference between a Russian and a Belarusian? Or are we from blue blood)))
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 7 August 2020 19: 57
              -1
              Quote: vavilon
              This is Russian arrogance

              What arrogance is there?
              Quote: vavilon
              This is "WE" and this is you

              It's just that "we" and "you" are the state of Russia and the state of Belarus ... The nation "Russians" and the nation of "Belarusians" ...
              Quote: vavilon
              Is there a difference between a Russian and a Belarusian?

              No difference! In addition to the fact that Russians live in one state, Belarusians in another, and very many of them are proud of their sovereignty from Russia, and if so, then partner relations at the level of states - We - You, You - Us, honest and equal exchange, like a buyer and a seller, although more like barter)))) This is capitalism, friends, here is a service for a service, a good for a good, a service for a good, etc. There is no other way, alas ...
  3. Fungus
    Fungus 6 August 2020 16: 33
    +5
    We have spoiled these republics greatly. They helped them a lot.
    1. vavilon
      vavilon 6 August 2020 22: 58
      -3
      And who created these republics? After all, we created them and then rejected them with the population
      And now we say that it is not us, but we
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 7 August 2020 16: 22
        0
        Quote: vavilon
        after all, we created them and then rejected them with the population

        Oh, you remember with what joy they ran away from us! How rotten the Russians were in these republics! And so yes - it's "we" to blame!
        1. vavilon
          vavilon 7 August 2020 17: 30
          0
          What are you talking about, but no one ran away, look at the results of the all-Union referendum and then comment
          Gorbachev betrayed and Yeltsin drank
          And note that these are not some leaders of the republics, namely our Russian leaders
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 7 August 2020 19: 59
            0
            Quote: vavilon
            What are you talking about, but no one ran away, look at the results of the all-Union referendum and then comment

            Oh no, my friend, that it’s you only for Yeltsin and the brainwashing - it’s you also for Shevardnadze, you are for Shushkevich, and other small-scale riffraff from the "national elites" could not crank ...
  4. Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 6 August 2020 16: 33
    +7
    Or maybe we behave as not allies in relation to them.

    Teach us how allies behave?
    1. strelokmira
      strelokmira 6 August 2020 17: 02
      -9
      Teach us how allies behave?

      Well, in the opinion of the locals, the allies should apparently rewrite their entire industry to Russian owners. And at the same time, it is imperative to purchase gas at favorable prices for Gazprom wink
      1. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 6 August 2020 17: 08
        +3
        Well, in the opinion of the local allies, apparently they should rewrite their entire industry to Russian owners.

        Which company is assigned to whom? Or forced to rewrite?

        And at the same time, it is imperative to purchase gas at favorable prices for Gazprom wink

        Gas was pumped out by the Gazprom organization from the Russian soil. She sells gas at a price she thinks is correct. Where is the obligation? Let them buy in Estonia, Norway, USA.
        What does alliance and price of goods have to do with it? These things never go side by side. But unfortunately, politics and agents of influence (in any form) almost always intervene.
        1. SOVIET UNION 2
          SOVIET UNION 2 6 August 2020 18: 11
          -3
          Why are alliances and commodity prices not compatible? You give the collective farm fuel at reduced prices, and the collective farm gives you grain at a guaranteed lower price and in the agreed amount! What's bad about it?
        2. strelokmira
          strelokmira 6 August 2020 18: 17
          -8
          What does alliance and price of goods have to do with it? These things never go side by side.

          Well, if you don’t like the price, don’t sell, someone is interfering?)
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 7 August 2020 16: 26
            -1
            Quote: strelokmira
            Well, if you don’t like the price, don’t sell, someone is interfering?)

            You do not understand anything and do not want to understand - "rewrite industry" - you get a free price, if you do not rewrite it, you get a price as for "bourgeois". These are all the "Laws of the Market" and all kinds of its "invisible body parts" laughing
            1. strelokmira
              strelokmira 7 August 2020 16: 29
              -2
              You don't understand anything and don't want to understand

              Yes, and after the Republic of Belarus, to refuse to buy gas at such prices and your Urashechki begins to burn the fifth point lol
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 7 August 2020 16: 31
                -1
                Quote: strelokmira
                Yes, and after the Republic of Belarus, to refuse to buy gas at such prices and your Urashechki begins to burn the fifth point

                Dear self-styled and non-essential thunder-dweller (for the time being)! The fifth point is still burning only at - Starny 404 (already 6 years old) and at Batka (because the freebie is over), our oligarchs will find where to push oil and gas, since there are many buyers ... But Belarus will not find oil and gas at the prices that fraternal Russia had previously assigned her "for beautiful eyes" ...
                1. strelokmira
                  strelokmira 7 August 2020 16: 35
                  -2
                  But Belarus will not find itself oil and gas at the prices that fraternal Russia previously assigned to it

                  You read like a mantra laughing Well, do not worry, RB will find a favorable price for itself. But don't you sell, otherwise the poor, unfortunate ones are all trading at a loss. lol
                  1. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 7 August 2020 16: 38
                    -1
                    Quote: strelokmira
                    You read like a mantra

                    mantras are so far all for your chevto-blakit brothers - for 6 years they have been repeating in different ways, but things are still there)))
                    Quote: strelokmira
                    Well, don't worry, RB will find a favorable price for itself.

                    Oh, so he will find that he will find everyone he finds!)) And he will certainly find markets for his products laughing
                    Quote: strelokmira
                    otherwise the poor, unhappy are all trading at a loss

                    We trade at a loss under certain conditions, and if the counterparty does not fulfill these conditions, then we stop trading)))
                    Saucepans are not able to understand simple logic from something, Soviet dependency on the subcortex stuck with Europeciv)))
                  2. strelokmira
                    strelokmira 7 August 2020 16: 40
                    -2
                    We trade at a loss under certain conditions, and if the counterparty does not fulfill these conditions, then we stop trading)))

                    So stop, don't whine wink Although no, wake up crying. Looks like Gazprom to go broke for your kerchiefs crying laughing
                  3. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 7 August 2020 16: 57
                    0
                    Quote: strelokmira
                    So stop, don't whine

                    You can't imagine what secret I am going to reveal to you now! Shh! Don't tell anyone! Nobody whines)))) I just belittle you - not a word to anyone, it's a secret!
                    Quote: strelokmira
                    Although no, wake up crying. Looks like Gazprom to go broke for your kerchiefs

                    And now let me tell you for predicting the future - they will cry, oh, how they will - no handkerchiefs will help! Only Not us))))
      2. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 8 August 2020 16: 38
        0
        Well, if you don’t like the price, don’t sell, someone is interfering?)


        laughing laughing laughing
        NOT true. It is correct to say “Well, if you don’t like the price, don’t buy.
    2. andrew42
      andrew42 8 August 2020 16: 01
      0
      Alliance here despite the fact that "Gazprom" in fact (and not on TV commercials) is not "the land of Russia".
  5. Kisa
    Kisa 6 August 2020 18: 21
    +1
    According to Belstat, in the first quarter of this year Belarus imported Russian gas at an average price of $ 130 per thousand cubic meters. the entry price of Russian gas at the German border in the first quarter of this year was $ 112 per thousand cubic meters. This is almost 14% less than Belarus pays ...
    1. vavilon
      vavilon 6 August 2020 22: 59
      -3
      It would be more correct to import it not in Russia but in the oligarch Miller
    2. Albert1988
      Albert1988 7 August 2020 16: 28
      +1
      Quote: kitty
      According to Belstat, in the first quarter of this year Belarus imported Russian gas at an average price of $ 130 per thousand cubic meters. the entry price of Russian gas at the German border in the first quarter of this year was $ 112 per thousand cubic meters. This is almost 14% less than Belarus pays ...

      Well, right - how old were they getting free gas on account of the fact that they were integrating? That's when they asked Luka to force, and he began to crumple, so they set him a price corresponding to that to recoup losses ... Business is nothing personal)))
  6. major147
    major147 6 August 2020 21: 24
    +3
    Quote: strelokmira
    And at the same time, it is imperative to purchase gas at favorable prices for Gazprom

    Do the "republics" sell their goods at intra-republican prices in Russia? Until recently, I bought Brest-Litovskiy butter, although it is more expensive than the local Korenovskiy butter of similar quality.
  • vavilon
    vavilon 7 August 2020 08: 34
    0
    I'm afraid it's too late to teach
    Some generation will have to burn out with a hot iron
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 7 August 2020 16: 29
      0
      Quote: vavilon
      Some generation will have to burn out with a hot iron

      Yes, it will be necessary - the new generation of the former Soviet republics - will have to get used to the idea that no one owes them anything and Russia in the first place!
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 7 August 2020 17: 26
        0
        You personally don’t owe me anything, but I don’t owe you anything, but those who took my homeland from me and let my people go around the world sooner or later will have to answer.
        And first, figure out who owns Russia and you are in a place with it
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 7 August 2020 20: 02
          0
          Quote: vavilon
          but those that took my homeland from me and my people were allowed to go around the world sooner or later will have to answer

          Unfortunately, half of them are already in the ground, and the other half are living quietly and peacefully, where is Shushkevich, tell me? Does he live in a warm dacha, or on a bunk?
          Quote: vavilon
          And first, figure out who owns Russia and you are in a place with it

          We belong to ourselves, but to whom does Russia belong? This is a good question, you've obviously already figured out who owns Belarus?
          1. vavilon
            vavilon 7 August 2020 21: 28
            -1
            Belarus, in comparison with us, still belongs to itself
            We see all the problem of our neighbors, but unfortunately we do not notice ours or do not want to notice, we teach everyone about life and have not yet learned
            this is our trouble
            First you need to put things in order in your house and then give advice to neighbors or educational lessons if necessary
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 7 August 2020 21: 56
              0
              Quote: vavilon
              Belarus, in comparison with us, still belongs to itself

              Whether oh! My wife's relatives live there, so I am aware of the situation there. The only differences are that there is only one oligarch - Old Man and a handful of his hangers-on ... Whoever goes against will be completely destroyed and completely destroyed, and the business will be taken away and destroyed.
              Quote: vavilon
              but unfortunately we don't notice ours or don't want to notice

              Why don't we notice? And how we notice, and Belarusians notice! Only so far, neither we, nor they have begun to resolve internal problems.
              Quote: vavilon
              we teach everyone how to live but ourselves have not yet learned
              this is our trouble

              Whom are we teaching to live? On the contrary, we somehow don't give a damn about how they live there, the main thing is that outwardly everything should be good-neighborly. He who teaches how to live teaches us - this is Europe with the USA ...
              Quote: vavilon
              First you need to put things in order in your house and then give advice to neighbors or educational lessons if necessary

              And we do not give them advice - everything is exclusively in the plane of interstate relations - we give you what you want, you, please, us what we want. That's all. Market, business, nothing personal ...
  • NIKN
    NIKN 6 August 2020 16: 34
    +6
    Quote: vavilon
    Or maybe we behave as not allies in relation to them.

    Who are you?
    1. vavilon
      vavilon 7 August 2020 17: 16
      +1
      I am first and foremost a HUMAN
      with roots from Vyatka
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 6 August 2020 18: 07
    +5
    Quote: vavilon
    Did you not think
    Why are there problems in Russia with the former Soviet republics?

    Because for the former Soviet republics, Moscow is the capital of the USSR, which gives money and demands nothing in return. And when Moscow switches to market relations, it is perceived as a personal insult. smile
    To the crocodile, even if the number on the head is tedious, he will not be able to carry out the most basic programs. He has a brain with a bean, even the most primitive pedagogical models like carrots and sticks do not work with him. There, in principle, there are even no rudiments of logical thinking and understanding of cause-effect relationships. Therefore, he will always perceive the whip not as a punishment for misconduct, but as a suddenly inflicted, undeserved offense, and a carrot as a natural, implicit tribute to the Universe for his crocodile existence.
    1. vavilon
      vavilon 6 August 2020 23: 01
      -4
      If you are so smart then let your Moscow switch to market relations with all the federal republics and then I'll see how you sing
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 7 August 2020 10: 05
        +2
        Quote: vavilon
        If you are so smart then let your Moscow switch to market relations with all the federal republics and then I'll see how you sing

        Here is another person who believes that the USSR still exists, and Moscow is its capital.
        Federal republics are part of the Russian Federation. And their relationship with Moscow is an internal affair of our state.
        Since 1991, the Soviet republics have been independent sovereign states, which the same Lukashenka reminds us of almost every day. They have nothing to do with Russia. If you want relations like in the USSR, form the USSR or join Russia. If you just want to get money - sorry, guys, the USSR has not existed for 30 years, Moscow is the capital of Russia and should not feed the republics that have become independent states. Welcome to adulthood.
        1. vavilon
          vavilon 7 August 2020 10: 45
          0
          You reason just like on the TV screen)))
          Remember one thing now in power now only personal interest and the word "Russia" is for you and me
          All key sectors of the Economy (and this is about 70%) in private hands, natural resources are developed by private companies, so where is our Russia?)) Whether in Belarus or in Ukraine, oil would it be part of Russia, would it like it or not, so think a little with your head and not only repeat what you hear on the TV screen
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 7 August 2020 20: 16
            0
            Quote: vavilon
            You reason just like on the TV screen)))

            No, this is absolutely normal reasoning - American capitals behave that way - the market, business and nothing personal)))
            Quote: vavilon
            Remember one thing now in power now only personal interest and the word "Russia" is for you and me

            So it is in all capitalist states!
            And yes - "Russia" is still written with two letters "c" ...
            Quote: vavilon
            All key sectors of the Economy (and this is about 70%) in private hands, natural resources are developed by private companies, so where is our Russia?))

            So what? These same gentlemen, who own all of this, pay a huge tax on the energy resources sold outside the treasury - up to 80%, if oil goes to Belarus at a reduced price - the Russian budget receives less income ... So this shortfall should be compensated for by something else - capitalism -from...
            Quote: vavilon
            whether in Belarus or Ukraine, oil would be a part of Russia, would she like it or not

            Oha, yes! It's ingenious - there is oil in Kazakhstan, and it's so smart - is it a part of Russia? There is oil in Turkmenistan - for some reason it is not part of Russia either.
            And from Ukraine and Belarus, Russia does not need oil from something - they themselves have heaps - but industry and agricultural products ...
            1. vavilon
              vavilon 7 August 2020 21: 19
              -1
              taxes that oligarchs pay, they are scanty in comparison with developed capital countries, And what is important, they pump all their income to the west
              The main income to the budget is paid by the working population who already receive a penny
              and these grief businessmen who on blood in the nineties took all strategic enterprises into their own hands now lead us and the people and pensioners are barely making ends meet.
              I have nothing against a business if this business is open and has no criminal origin
              As for gas and oil in the republics of Belarus and Ukraine, you gave an unfortunate example, there is no point in connecting the Central Asian republics. across Russia work for a penny.
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 8 August 2020 01: 46
                0
                Quote: vavilon
                taxes paid by oligarchs they are scanty in comparison with developed capital countries

                Well, yeah, from trade in hydrocarbons on the foreign market - 80-90% are given to the state)))) Why do you think the country had the same super profits from oil? In the domestic market - yes, they pay 13%, but even then - they began to introduce taxes on a progressive scale ... Gradually ..
                Quote: vavilon
                The main income to the budget is paid by the working population who already receive a penny

                Well, yes, well, yes, if, in your words, almost all income comes from the working population, then we should earn three times more than we actually earn! You live in a country, and you absolutely do not know how things are in its economy ... You would not be disgraced ...
                Quote: vavilon
                and these grief businessmen who on blood in the nineties took all strategic enterprises into their own hands now lead us and the people and pensioners are barely making ends meet.

                I looked out the window at the people, at what kind of cars they have, what apartments, what clothes, what kind of mobiles they carry, and I don't live far away on Rublevka. Not sickly so make ends meet, however ...
                Quote: vavilon
                I have nothing against a business if this business is open and has no criminal origin

                Believe me, no one has, only that there is no other business, besides what we have - we do not, alas, have to live with it, or again make a socialist revolution ...
                Quote: vavilon
                Theirs

                There is no such word in Russian, alas ...
                Quote: vavilon
                the geographical location does not make it possible to transport energy resources directly to the consumer, and therefore they are completely dependent and controlled by our oligarchs and their population has been turned into beggars looking for work in Russia for a penny.

                Boo-ha-ha-ha! "Well, they made fun! But how do they transport their oil all over the world, eh? Do you know how Turkmenistan lives with this oil? Better than Ukraine and Belarus ... You read there that before than to write such heresy))) And then they will make fun of you ... We control them, yes, how!
                They made fun, honestly ...
                1. vavilon
                  vavilon 14 August 2020 19: 18
                  0
                  I don't know where you got such data on duties of 80-90%, but I want to say that this is complete misinformation
                  oil export duty rates in 2019 up to 25% compared to 30% in 2018. The rate decreased to 20% in 2020, to 15% in 2021, to 10% in 2022, to 5% in 2023 and to zero in 2024
                  So there is no need to tell here that our oligarchs support the economy, they only use resources for their own purposes and put all the money into foreign accounts
  • Albert1988
    Albert1988 6 August 2020 18: 08
    +5
    Quote: vavilon
    Did you not think
    Why are there problems in Russia with the former Soviet republics?

    We didn’t think, because we know that they still think that Russia should just throw goodies at them, and in return they can negotiate with the amers, and in general they don’t owe anything to Russia ...
    1. major147
      major147 6 August 2020 21: 25
      +1
      Quote: Albert1988
      Russia should just throw good things at them,

      As the USSR is 70 years old ...
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 6 August 2020 22: 06
        +1
        Quote: major147
        As the USSR is 70 years old ...

        Exactly! Russia is nishtyak to them, as under the USSR, and they are all independent of themselves, like under the CIS ...
        In such cases, they say - you want a lot, you will receive little ...
        1. major147
          major147 6 August 2020 22: 31
          +2
          Quote: Albert1988
          and they are all independent of themselves,

          And the "proud" repeat
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 6 August 2020 22: 55
            0
            Quote: major147
            And the "proud"

            Malenkya, but very proud!
  • SOVIET UNION 2
    SOVIET UNION 2 6 August 2020 17: 45
    -4
    And how should Lukashenka behave with Russia? How are our oligarchs? But our oligarchs are divided into their own circle and a stranger. Its everything, the rest is the law! We do not abandon ours, the rest are smeared in illegal activities. Do you think Lukashenko will become his own for Russia? It won't. It will be like in the 90s. First the roof, then part of the business, then the whole business! Integration will follow this path if the dad wants to become his own among strangers. Do you think Moscow will invest in the Belarusian economy? There is no oil and gas there. The West will not develop the republic so as not to produce competitors. And who should trade if there is a global crisis! But stirring up the conflict is like good morning! Does Russia need it? Well, their production will die from the conflict. Will Russia grab this sector for itself? And the refugees will trample on to Russia! Ukraine two? Plus, of course, it will be that the refugees will correct the demographics and extra working hands will appear. But how many micro-country refugees will there be?
    1. major147
      major147 6 August 2020 21: 27
      +2
      Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
      Do you think Moscow will invest in the Belarusian economy?

      How do you know what Moscow will do? Are you a prophet?
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 6 August 2020 22: 05
        0
        Crimea is not enough for an example of investment. $ 20 billion is a penny.
      2. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 7 August 2020 09: 25
        0
        No, not a prophet. But judging by the activities of Muscovites, everything they acquire becomes ruins. Muscovites are feared today as punitive ones leading an economic cleanup.
        1. major147
          major147 7 August 2020 09: 52
          0
          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          Muscovites are feared today as punitive ones leading an economic cleanup.

          Who is afraid of them? I'm not afraid. You are scared? You are from Ukraine!
          1. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 8 August 2020 11: 57
            0
            Not. I'm from Russia. Only wherever Muscovites have reached their hands is the liquidation of enterprises. All their enterprises are unprofitable, and all of them must be sold for metal! I haven’t heard any compliments about Muscovites yet, only negative responses. Snatchers and grabbers!
            1. major147
              major147 8 August 2020 14: 05
              -1
              [/B]
              Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
              All their enterprises are unprofitable,

              Why is it so categorical? You audit
              all
              enterprises carried out?
            2. andrew42
              andrew42 8 August 2020 15: 47
              +1
              As for Moscow companies, this is 100% true. Great is the Oligarchic Moscow, the beast of our homeland!
    2. andrew42
      andrew42 8 August 2020 15: 51
      +1
      The Russian oligarchy is not averse to squeezing out the "Belarusian meadow", and there at least the grass will not grow (as in the rest of the castle). Yes, everyone understands everything, they are not small children, only many strenuously round their eyes "What do you mean? It can't be."
  • Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 6 August 2020 16: 10
    10
    Dad himself once said that you have to be a complete fool to declare war on Russia, apparently old age makes itself felt insanity grows stronger. Or he simply sold out as a woman with low social responsibility.
    1. major147
      major147 6 August 2020 21: 30
      0
      Quote: Fyodor Sokolov
      apparently old age makes itself felt insanity grows stronger.

      And on the other hand:
      President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko called Russian leader Vladimir Putin his elder brother, who should support and suggest.
      1. sgapich
        sgapich 7 August 2020 00: 39
        +1
        Quote: major147
        And on the other hand:
        President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko called Russian leader Vladimir Putin his elder brother, who should support and suggest.

        And there is such a quote: “Russian President Vladimir Putin commented on the words of the Bulgarian Prime Minister, who apologized for disrupting South Stream. “Then we had a very difficult relationship. I am very grateful that they do not hold a grudge against us about this. The elder always forgives, "Borisov said at a press conference. “I am embarrassed by the talk about who is senior and who is junior. Because the elder is always encouraged to pay ", - said Putin. "
    2. vavilon
      vavilon 7 August 2020 17: 34
      +1
      Did daddy declare war?
      Insanity is your sir
  • Radius
    Radius 6 August 2020 16: 12
    12
    It's simple! Absolutely all the media in Belarus have pressed their ears and other places - they are waiting for a denouement: they comment carefully, they do not predict anything. In general, they behave as it should be for the residents of the outer houses in the village. wink
  • vavilon
    vavilon 6 August 2020 16: 12
    +7
    Neither the West nor Russia nor the opposition wants to see Lukashenko in power, and nobody asks the Belarusian people
    This is the face of "dermocracy"
    1. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 6 August 2020 18: 13
      -2
      It's like in Syria, Assad has to leave! And militants appeared in Syria! Gaddafi was also a dictator !? Where is Libya now?
    2. Kisa
      Kisa 6 August 2020 18: 24
      -1
      Well, with the West Bole me less clear. and who Russia wants to see I can't see for a week from all these battles in the VO?
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 6 August 2020 23: 03
        -3
        Yes, Russia is profitable for Belarus to blaze like Ukraine in our would-be rulers do not need a developed social republic
  • credo
    credo 6 August 2020 16: 13
    +7
    Lukashenko is similar to a famous character from the fairy tale of A.S. Pushkin about a goldfish - a grumpy old woman.
    The more Russia gives him the more he gets mad.
    The circle will close soon and I would like to hope that Lukashenka will return to the collective farm to twist the tails of bulls and cows.
    Hurry up, otherwise, in his next mournful speech, he will not demand the Prosecutors General of neighboring countries to bow and report, but the Presidents themselves.
    1. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 6 August 2020 18: 16
      -4
      Russia directly gives him everything free of charge, that is, for free ?! lol winked smile Well, just like the population of Russia, who also get everything for free !? laughing
  • Sklendarka
    Sklendarka 6 August 2020 16: 18
    +3
    ,, ... what happened, why are they shouting ?,
    why did the enemy scream?
    Just a 9/40 result !!!, really ...
    ,, I stepped over the line ... "
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 6 August 2020 16: 19
    +2
    And, how can Russia maintain relations with such a person as Lukashenka now, if he can easily do it like this with our 33 citizens? Russia always owes and owes him, we are guilty of having accustomed him to a freebie, to the fact that Russia will get angry, but will give money, almost zadormaz and oil! We ourselves raised a freeloader on our own head! It is necessary to firmly understand that the people of Belarus and their tsar is for the most part not the same thing! But the attitude must be changed towards Lukashenka! And, even if he honestly resigns, a holy place is never empty!
  • Radius
    Radius 6 August 2020 16: 21
    0
    What's wrong? Minus the lot of the weak ...
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 6 August 2020 16: 28
      +2
      Radius - I will not minus you, but Lukashenka now stands not for the people of Belarus, not for normal relations with Russia, he wants to be good and is never innocent of anything! Even when he slips a pig on Russia, then in his opinion this should also be considered a good intention, with which, as you know, the road to hell is paved!
      1. Radius
        Radius 6 August 2020 16: 37
        +2
        I was not talking about Lukashenka, but about the Belarusian media. Who minus, did not understand ... But all the same lol
      2. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 6 August 2020 18: 18
        -2
        What is considered a pig slipped by Lukashenka? Dirty oil at his refinery?
  • Romka
    Romka 6 August 2020 16: 27
    -9
    Look, Russians, carefully. The situation we have today is in 2024. You need to leave on time! No matter how good a ruler he would be, he still gets tired of the people sometime. And just that: appoint a receiver and everything is calm.
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 6 August 2020 16: 41
      +7
      Look, Russians, carefully. The situation we have today is in 2024. You need to leave on time! No matter how good a ruler he would be, he still gets tired of the people sometime. And just that: appoint a receiver and everything is calm.


      He's like a movie actor to annoy. Either it pulls or it doesn't. And he pulls
      The word "get bored" is definitely not the right word. Doesn't fit.
      1. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 6 August 2020 18: 29
        -3
        I beg your pardon, but Putin's ex-wife from artichokes or not pulled?
        1. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 6 August 2020 18: 53
          +1
          I beg your pardon, but Putin's ex-wife from artichokes or not pulled?

          I do not have such information, do you have? Spread ...
          1. Sklendarka
            Sklendarka 6 August 2020 21: 02
            -1
            Quote: Interlocutor
            I beg your pardon, but Putin's ex-wife from artichokes or not pulled?

            I do not have such information, do you have? Spread ...

            I think I'm tired of ...
    2. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 6 August 2020 18: 19
      0
      The Romanovs ruled this way for 300 years. The kings of England are already ruling a lot too! Why don't the kings of England leave their throne?
      1. major147
        major147 6 August 2020 21: 35
        +1
        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
        The kings of England are already ruling a lot too!

        I'm afraid to disappoint you, but kings do not rule in England request
        1. SOVIET UNION 2
          SOVIET UNION 2 7 August 2020 09: 20
          -1
          Doubtful thesis that they do not rule!
          1. major147
            major147 7 August 2020 09: 50
            0
            Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
            Doubtful thesis

            The constitutional monarchy is called ...
            1. SOVIET UNION 2
              SOVIET UNION 2 8 August 2020 11: 58
              -1
              But they do rule!
              1. major147
                major147 8 August 2020 14: 07
                0
                Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                But they do rule!

                Are you kidding me !?
  • Alien From
    Alien From 6 August 2020 16: 29
    +3
    The media of Belarus, like the dad himself, are trying to get into the tree and not rip off the fifth point ...
  • Ilshat
    Ilshat 6 August 2020 16: 33
    -8
    Belarus is not an ally, just a parasite.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 August 2020 16: 33
    +6
    and also draw attention to the importance for modern Belarus of finding its own political path and weakening economic dependence on Russia. laughing
    Quote: DMB84
    I agree ... Only by the word "we" mean Sechin and Miller (and the rest of the group), who have completely lost their shores from greed. How many people did not explain to me on TV that the price of gas for Belarus (and in the past for Ukraine) should be, as for the bourgeois countries, I did not understand anything. ( did not believe ). If yours, the price should be as for yourself. If the enemies are different. By the way, now the situation is generally interesting - almost all raw materials are chased abroad, at prices about three times less than to the domestic market. Are we now the same enemies of Sechin / Miller as Belarus?

    You became enemies not of Miller and Sechin, but enemies of the Russian people.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 August 2020 16: 34
    +3
    Bratella was taken in fright to be removed from the allowance. He fell in love, miserable. laughing
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 6 August 2020 16: 38
    +8
    It is not for nothing that the Belarusian press constantly raises the topic of the importance and profitability of cooperation with the West, and also focuses on insufficient support from the Russian state.
    West and cooperation
  • parusnik
    parusnik 6 August 2020 16: 39
    +1
    The West and the opposition do not want to see him as the head of the Belarusian state, but Russia has accumulated certain claims to the "dad".
    After Lukashenko's victory in the elections, he will be understood and forgiven in Russia ... laughing and console ...
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 6 August 2020 18: 15
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      After Lukashenka won the election, he will be understood and forgiven in Russia ... and consoled ...

      He probably really hopes for this))))
  • Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 6 August 2020 16: 52
    +2
    The attitude towards Russia has changed even among the pro-government media

    As it is absolutely on heru for all media especially pro-government.
    Recently, relations between Russia and Belarus - two fraternal and still allied states - have given a noticeable crack.

    The crack was given by the fantasy of liberalism, it’s so wretched to work, they don’t really pay you for it ..
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 6 August 2020 16: 59
    +3
    We know, we already know such allies ... we need to gradually close the military infrastructure there and prepare import substitution of key Belarusian products in the defense industry, we know how such things end ..
    You should have everything you own.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 6 August 2020 18: 13
      +5
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      We know, we already know such allies ... we need to gradually roll up the military infrastructure there and prepare import substitution of key Belarusian products in the defense industry

      So already. Daddy about this import substitution already in 2015 uncovered the record:
      We are scared that Russia, they say, will invent its “centipedes” and will transport nuclear warheads on its own - and on health! If they have brains and money today that they don’t have, let them invent!

      Fraternal president of a fraternal country, what is really there ...

      And what a howl stood here in the comments to the article about the purchase of BAZ by Almaz-Antey and the transition of air defense to domestic tractors - Russia has betrayed us, you have no right to develop your industry (and at the same time the thesis was put forward that Russia is doing nothing to restore industry), you should only buy Belarusian tractors.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 6 August 2020 20: 23
        +2
        All post. Soviet states, to one degree or another, over time become impudent and scrambled, observing a picture of a certain fundamental dependence of us on them in certain issues. Security, the outer veneer of an "ally", strategic considerations, transit, space, technological chains - if only there is a thread, pulling on which you can solve your problems at the expense of the Russian Federation. This does not mean that we are "good" in this situation - no, take it away. We DO NOT know how to play long foreign policy parties and we try to play them roughly, clubfoot and thickly - acting dirty, smelly (mostly miasms are felt here, through the media, if something goes wrong), giving in and practically not using "soft force "- preferring to shout loudly, threaten, turn the valves and arrange this game with toxic Georgian wines or carcinogenic Lithuanian curds.
        Unfortunately, our foreign policy is also characterized by a manic loop - we got it from the USSR, but we do not have such resources and even a hint of a serious, long-playing plan - and therefore
        it also works against us, forcing resources to be wasted on situational allies in situations that have long lost their strategic relevance.
        Our priority in foreign affairs should be to strengthen economic ties with stable partners - there are a lot of states on the planet that will gladly sell or buy from us, and we are not so dead that there is nothing to sell and make money. We also have our own scientific school and industry, which is quite sufficient to launch the production of not even what complex products, which different Lukashenkos hold us by the balls. The fact that we really cannot "give birth" ourselves - we can "get it" the way the USSR got it and / or using our tactical alliance with the PRC, European and Asian ties.
        The states around us must catch one clear message - for the epic trash-storm they throw every time in order to achieve some tactical benefits - there will be long and dreary consequences, and this will not be forgotten either tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. Only then will they stop nibbling on the udder at the most inappropriate moments for this.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 6 August 2020 16: 59
    -7
    Quote: Romka
    Look, Russians, carefully. The situation we have today is in 2024. You need to leave on time! No matter how good a ruler he would be, he still gets tired of the people sometime. And just that: appoint a receiver and everything is calm.

    In Russia and Belarus, the situation is a little different. hi Our Solntselikiy appointed himself President for life on July 1, 2020, so we are no longer in danger of such a thing as "elections" bully At least during the life of our President lol
  • cniza
    cniza 6 August 2020 17: 11
    +2
    BelGazeta, analyzing the incident with the detention of Russians - alleged PMC employees, concludes that even after such an incident, Moscow has no other way but to support Lukashenko:


    Uh-huh, press to your chest and strangle ...
  • Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 6 August 2020 17: 16
    -5
    A flurry of slops in Belarus. Everyday. Oligarchy boys and their diapers are doing their job well. They play off a single people and indulge in mega-theft. Nothing new. There will be no other.
    1. Narcologist
      Narcologist 6 August 2020 17: 47
      -9
      Quote: Old Horseradish
      A flurry of slops in Belarus. Everyday. Oligarchy boys and their diapers are doing their job well. They play off a single people and indulge in mega-theft. Nothing new. There will be no other.

      Finally, at least I met the comment ... hi How tired already to shoot back from wolfs of all stripes ... This terrible persecution is coming !!!!!
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 6 August 2020 18: 55
        +6
        Quote: Narkolog
        This terrible persecution is coming !!!!!

        The bullying comes from the other side. And they are poisoning such that it would be better to keep quiet.
        I would have fought for the Crimea! Thousands of people would go to bed there!
        © AHL
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 6 August 2020 18: 16
      +4
      Quote: Old Fuck
      A flurry of slops in Belarus.

      Not to Belarus. And on a specific person for his specific actions.
      And I repeat once again - no one pours slop on Belarus better than the AHL. Our media don't even need to invent anything - it's enough just to quote Lukashenka.
  • alien
    alien 6 August 2020 17: 21
    +2
    according to experts interviewed by the newspaper's correspondents, despite Ukraine's desire to get its hands on the Russians detained in Belarus, Lukashenka will never do it

    A.G. Lukashenko:
    "Just never betray. Betrayal is not forgiven even in heaven."


    The sooner Alexander Grigorievich releases the detained Russians, the more people will vote for him.

    He will not let them go before the elections, they will already become political hostages.

    "Any unbiased person understands that this is a provocation."


    And in the meantime:
    "Former contender for the presidency of Belarus, Valery Tsepkalo, is now in Kiev and holds political meetings with his associates. This can obviously entail well-known practical consequences.
    <...> it is Ukraine that is now acting as a reliable rear base for Lukashenka's opponents. And there is no doubt that if the situation aggravates, its leaders will try to be the first to push the falling Belarusian president into the abyss. "
    https://vz.ru//opinions/2020/8/4/1053145.html
    1. Kisa
      Kisa 6 August 2020 18: 35
      +1
      Quote: Alien
      it is Ukraine that is now acting as a reliable rear base for Lukashenka's opponents.

      vooot. hence the logical question - and Ukraine and the Russian Federation are allies right now to overthrow Father
      and the rhetorical answer is yes of course not. if Ukraine is interested in the new faces of Belarus and their European vector, then for the Russian Federation the victory of any other candidate will be a loss ...
      1. alien
        alien 6 August 2020 22: 12
        +1
        Quote: kitty
        Belarus and their European vector, then for the Russian Federation the victory of any other candidate will be a loss ...

        “We are already at the point when with Lukashenka it's impossible to negotiate... We cannot believe any of his words, not one of his promises.
        <…> It may be that the policy of Belarus will take a not very good path. But whoever comes to power is unlikely to be worse than now. Lukashenko himself moves Belarus to the West, and even after the resignation of the Cabinet, the pro-Western minister Makei retained his post. Under Alexander Grigorievich, the republic already saturated to the limit with Western funds, non-governmental organizations, including those prohibited in the Russian Federation.
        <…> If the Belarusian state remains only our formal ally, then we also have every right to treat it formally. "
        https://ukraina.ru/interview/20200606/1027913693.html

        “The National Endowment for Democracy (NED) has launched a whole network of 'democratization' projects in Belarus.
        From 2011 to 2016, the financial support provided by the NED to pro-American organizations in Belarus amounted to more than $ 32 million.Over the past three years, the National Endowment for Democracy has provided Belarus with 159 more grants totaling more than $ 7,6 million.
        <…> The main funding goes to goals that are openly political. Among the recipients are important centers of the Belarusian pro-Western opposition, such as the BelBiz association, European Radio for Belarus (Polish media Euroradio), the semi-underground Human Rights Center Viasna, the Narodnaya Volya publication (newspaper and website), reform project .by (electronic media), the political movement "Tell the Truth" (which participated in the last two presidential campaigns) and others. "
        https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/01/31/kto-prodvigaet-interesy-ssha-v-belorussii-edinstvo-vlasti-i-oppozicii
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 6 August 2020 17: 31
    +1
    As for the "crack", representatives of all branches of power spoke out on both sides, and on the Belarusian side, the siloviki also managed to note. On the Russian side, neither the President, nor the security forces expressed their opinion.
    The media have enough material to draw their own conclusions, and it is easier for the Russian side - the non-Russian side "threw yeast into the public latrine" that the media feed on. Therefore, the Belarusian either pragmatically wait, or have a corresponding instruction.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 6 August 2020 17: 42
    +1
    Useless arguments.
    Russia, in its present form, is not the most attractive for the PEOPLE'S MASS, LABOR PEOPLE, who inhabit those countries that were, not so long ago, one great country. Labor migrants are not counted, they are simply even worse, and the majority of them cannot go to the West.
    So, it is not easy for working people everywhere !!! And the upper ones, the fat pussies and their servants, see, the fifth, are chopped up, they are only looking for profit ... there is no talk about some kind of friendship, however, they are not bad at life anyway !!!
    And the peoples of the great, in the past, country, they will divide, argue in any way !!! They are so dexterous to finish their affairs.
  • Narcologist
    Narcologist 6 August 2020 17: 44
    -1
    Divide and Conquer! Another operation of the Western special services is coming to a successful conclusion ..!
    Remember guys 10-15 years old, mostly the West criticized Lukashenko, allegedly "the last dictator of Europe .." And then smoothly all this was transferred to "our Russian media" so clearly and imperceptibly ...
    Look carefully, for 5 years the articles about the Old Man are very short. One provocative headline seems to live for a set of us, enough to feed Belarus .. Then, to capture such "good guys" who just rested in paramilitary uniform ..
    Just analyze EVERYTHING and you will understand .. How it was all done back in the 80-90s with the USSR and Ukraine .. Now we got to Belarus too .. But whoever will be instead of Lukashenka, the puppeteers keep quiet about this .. Only the shouts of Atu Batko, he rob Russia and disrespect his ATU ... Well, they will throw off Luka!
    WHO IS INSTEAD OF HIM? Democracy will, of course, and Europe will applaud the new one, like Gorbach and ebn .. And then what will come .. NATO will already be operating in Belarus .. Oh, you again threw us away like looooo
    1. alien
      alien 6 August 2020 17: 55
      +2
      Quote: Narkolog
      WHO IS INSTEAD OF HIM? Democracy will, of course, and Europe will applaud, new, like Gorbach and ebn .. And then what will come will come .. NATO will already operate in Belarus ..

      “And now about the good. First. If Lukashenka attempts to destroy the union state, Russia will intervene. Either Russia surrounds Ukraine, or Ukraine surrounds Russia.
      Second. There will be no "sanctions" for Lukashenka's Belarus. Except those that will be without Lukashenka's Belarus.

      Third. Whatever position the Belarusian security forces take (it would be more correct to say, one or another part of them), whatever happens on the western and southern borders of Belarus and in its cities, Russia will be declared an aggressor who "suppressed the democratic aspirations of the Belarusian people." The best that the interim authorities of Belarus can do is to hold new elections within the next six months. As Tikhanovskaya promises. We will win. If we simply (economists can knock on the head for such a “simple”, but it should be just and very, very quickly) we will provide Belarus with all those opportunities, as if it were already part of the single space provided for by the treaty on the union state.
      Fourth. We may not win. In this case, an open-ended agreement on a Russian military base in Belarus will suffice. And you shouldn't blame the Belarusians for stupidity. If someone thinks that there are few people in Russia who want to rake into the country of lace panties, he is greatly mistaken.

      But, alas, one can only dream of this good of four points. The most likely scenario for the development of events is the most burdensome: Lukashenka, as it were, wins, but the country is going crazy. And the borders of Russia are being closed. Until the Belarusian colleagues catch 170 fugitive "Wagnerians" in Belovezhskaya Pushcha.
      <…> The issue will have to be resolved expensively, but no less radically. That is, to the inevitable proposal of Alexander Grigorievich: "Return everything today, and I will sign everything tomorrow," the answer should be one: "Everything today (not" everything "that was going to be signed at the end of last year, but everything from the word" everything ", the final formation of a single state), and the dacha in Rostov-on-Don tomorrow. "
      https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/08/05/cena-belorussii-ili-my-okruzhaem-ukrainu-ili-ukraina-okruzhaet-nas
      1. Narcologist
        Narcologist 6 August 2020 19: 08
        -7
        Quote: Alien
        “And now about the good. First. If Lukashenka attempts to destroy the union state, Russia will intervene. Either Russia surrounds Ukraine, or Ukraine surrounds Russia.
        Second. There will be no "sanctions" for Lukashenka's Belarus. Except those that will be without Lukashenka's Belarus.

        I read it and everything became clear at once ... You naive dude ..!
        If Belarus starts to soak, then Russia will not be allowed there, most likely the Ukrainian National Battalions will introduce EVERYTHING!
        Anti-Russian rallies will be steeper than in Ukraine .. Because we have betrayed Belarus to the oligarchy and other Nazis ..
        What will happen next. Is scary to imagine .. hi
        1. alien
          alien 6 August 2020 21: 50
          +2
          Quote: Narkolog
          What will happen next. Is scary to imagine ..

          Let's hope that this will not happen.
          “God forbid, we will light a fire in the center of Minsk and we will scatter firebrands all over Minsk. We cannot and will not allow this "(A.G. Lukashenko)
          1. Narcologist
            Narcologist 7 August 2020 16: 09
            -1
            Quote: Alien
            Let's hope that this will not happen.

            God forbid ... I thought you were a protestor. hi I apologize!
  • Asad
    Asad 6 August 2020 18: 45
    0
    Well, you must admit that Russia has no way of supporting Lukashenka!
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  • gvozdan
    gvozdan 6 August 2020 20: 21
    -2
    Do not do good, do not receive evil.
    - the benefits of cooperation with the West,
    - and also focuses on the lack of support from the Russian state.
    What is it like?
    That is, they kiss the hands of the West for cooperation, it is not clear what, and the Russian Federation does not help us much, it means little. And someone other than the Russian Federation helps you at all ???

    We urgently need to switch to profitable cooperation with the Republic of Belarus.
    In F ... these allies, only problems from them.
    1. Valery Nikolayevich
      Valery Nikolayevich 8 August 2020 00: 56
      +1
      No need to listen to the propaganda of the nightingale-mass media! Listen to Lukashenka's appeal to the Belarusian people and if you are an honest and just person, then everything will become clear to you.
  • Shadow041
    Shadow041 6 August 2020 20: 23
    +4
    Well now, at least write, at least don't write. War has been declared, there is only one road further, on the Ukrainian rake.
  • Andobor
    Andobor 6 August 2020 20: 31
    0
    As an option, the State Department hired a Russian firm to troll Old Man for good money, and most likely passed it on himself. Russia will protect its citizens in any way, but the cream has already been skimmed from the emotional Batka of the media, relations between Russia and Belarus have been spoiled ..
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 6 August 2020 20: 40
    +2
    Lukashenko is not Yanukovych. He will not surrender the country, to the delight of some.
    1. iouris
      iouris 7 August 2020 12: 32
      +1
      Quote: nikvic46
      He will not surrender the country, to the delight of some.

      Lukashenka is already played by his retinue. In fact, a coup took place in Belarus, and Lukashenka is a screen.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 August 2020 20: 45
    +1
    President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko said that among those detained in the republic on suspicion of trying to "destabilize the situation in the country" there are people with American passports and working in the US State Department.

    He noted that the Belarusian authorities already know the identities of all the detainees, as well as “addresses, passwords, appearances”. laughing
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 6 August 2020 21: 05
    0
    Cho, there is no hysteria that is here?
    How so?

    Who then pays for the op here?
  • iouris
    iouris 7 August 2020 11: 48
    0
    Quote: "It is clear that Lukashenka himself is now in a difficult situation ..." End of quote.
    Lukashenka created his own position. This is a consequence of incorrect goal-setting, erroneous personnel policy, promiscuity in political ties, lack of principle, and personal dishonesty. This is a set that Lukashenka should ditch. After the interview that Lukashenko gave to Gordon, he became a political corpse. The CIA, through the SBU, exposed the political insides of Alexander Grigorievich. Well, thank them for that.
    1. Valery Nikolayevich
      Valery Nikolayevich 8 August 2020 00: 53
      0
      Stupidity and lies are not even worth commenting on!
  • Vladimir Romanov_2
    Vladimir Romanov_2 7 August 2020 12: 29
    0
    "But father" played in "nezalezhnyst", which really CANNOT be! SHOULD choose, or together with RUSSIA or "bedding" USA!
  • Valery Nikolayevich
    Valery Nikolayevich 8 August 2020 00: 52
    +1
    Russia has no complaints about Lukashenka! There are claims, ambitions, revenge and just meanness on the part of Putin for the fact that Lukashenko refused to give him Belarus as a new province of Russia, then Putin would become the "new" president of the "new" country. For that, they take revenge by showing who is the true owner in the vastness of the CIS. But Lukashenko is not Nazarbayev and is not going to lie under anyone. It is not for this that he saved and multiplied the country in order to give it to Putin's "dear friends"!
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 8 August 2020 08: 10
    +1
    Quote: Narkolog
    Quote: Old Horseradish
    A flurry of slops in Belarus. Everyday. Oligarchy boys and their diapers are doing their job well. They play off a single people and indulge in mega-theft. Nothing new. There will be no other.

    Finally, at least I met the comment ... hi How tired already to shoot back from wolfs of all stripes ... This terrible persecution is coming !!!!!

    The oligarch boys and their diapers are doing their job well. - Bastards are just YOU, I have never seen so many WASHING ON THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE BY YOU HERE.
  • andrew42
    andrew42 8 August 2020 15: 30
    0
    It is of course, they say, "collective farm Bonapartism"! Let us suppose. What is it that annoys the "collective farm Bonaparte" of the Western plutocrats and the "quiet" Russian elite? - Yes, by the fact that it does not allow to get into the economy of Belarus with dirty paws, to dry up and plunder the basic production assets, to impose the rules of a wild speculative market, to hinder Belarusian production and add to the "import drug". Yes, Lukashenka annoys with tyrannical antics, yes, and clannishness, as usual, takes place. But, about the role of the individual in history, this is more than offset by the fact that Belarus is not Zimbabwe, and not Kosovo, has its own well-balanced economy. its production, and oil products, for natural reasons, receives preferential treatment at the expense of political loyalty to Russia. This is bad? - Yes, it is normal! "Legal", as they used to say in the yard during my childhood. Well, what does the so-called Belarusian opposition propose to replace "Bonaparte" with? - On the union of 3 nesting dolls "Girls agreed"! Compared to them, even the clown Zelensky is simply a "self-maid-man", "having taken power himself." In short, if the Belarusians replace the Old Man with "whatever is horrible," then it will be a kapets of Belarus. They will exchange bread with kvass for excrement wrapped in a candy wrapper. Then they will eat their fill.